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00:01:56.000It looks like Pfizer is going to get reauthorized.
00:01:58.000It was especially perplexing to me because I spent seven years sitting next to Mike Johnson in the House Judiciary Committee, where he often made the critiques of FISA more eloquently and effectively than I ever did.
00:02:10.000But we saw the 287,000 violations of FISA.
00:02:14.000We saw the fact that they were breaking the law 38 times an hour.
00:02:17.000And not to go after terrorists in foreign caves in Central Asia.
00:02:21.000FBI agents were looking up their ex-lovers.
00:02:25.000They were looking up sources and investigations they were doing.
00:02:28.000And so they were really breaking that wall that exists between counterintelligence information and criminal information.
00:02:34.000And of course, the most famous victim of FISA abuse is President Donald Trump.
00:02:38.000Where we started last week was the Senate and the House leadership wanted a five-year reauthorization of FISA, and they were opposing a requirement for a warrant when there would be queries or collections on U.S. citizens.
00:03:00.000He was really the leader on that amendment.
00:03:02.000And at the end of the day, we fell one vote short on the warrant requirement.
00:03:06.000But in addition to moving on to that vote, I demanded that we not reauthorize FISA under any circumstance, under any reform, warrant, no warrant, reviews, no reviews beyond the Trump presidency.
00:03:21.000It would be a grave sin of Congress to punt past Donald Trump the opportunity to actually get in there and fix this with administration officials who want to reform the system because we've already seen they're willing to go lawless.
00:03:34.000So the reauthorization as a consequence of demands that the 19 made who voted against proceeding onto the rule cut 60% out of that authorization.
00:03:44.000Now it's two years rather than five years.
00:03:46.000We'll get a chance in the Trump administration.
00:03:48.000But frankly, it was a deep disappointment that 86 Republicans, including the Speaker, including the Intelligence Committee Chairman, including people from my own delegation in Florida, voted with Democrats against the Fourth Amendment.
00:04:04.000We used to have a Democratic Party that was anti-war and pro-civil liberties, pro-thourth amendment.
00:04:10.000Last week, you saw the Democrats with their majority pass the or kill the warrant requirement.
00:04:17.000And this week, it will probably be the Democrats that provide the most votes for these foreign aid bills that I think cut against America's core interests.
00:04:37.000I don't have any evidence to believe that.
00:04:40.000When I spoke to the speaker, I said, look, Mike, you and I were in these wars together.
00:04:43.000If you went and became speaker and encountered some information that radically transformed your views on this, you have an obligation to show me what that is and try to convince me I was your brother in arms.
00:04:55.000And everything I've seen from the people on the intelligence committee to try to justify this only makes me want to fight for the reforms harder.
00:05:04.000I mean, Mike Turner basically fabricated an international incident in order to block our efforts to get FISA reforms weeks ago.
00:05:13.000And now I think you had folks, you had folks unnecessarily frightened into voting against the Constitution, which is a very dangerous place for our country to be.
00:05:23.000So, yeah, I mean, I spoke to people in leadership, including, I didn't speak, I texted with the speaker.
00:05:28.000He said, if you knew what I knew, you would vote for this.
00:05:31.000Innocent Americans will die if you don't have to get a warrant.
00:05:36.000And then he said that many members who voted against this didn't go to the SCIF.
00:05:41.000What is being shared in these meetings?
00:05:43.000Why can't they share with the American people?
00:05:46.000Why do we have to resort to secret society shadow tactics?
00:05:50.000I have been in SCIFs for the last seven years getting these intelligence briefings.
00:05:54.000And by the way, I not only get them as a member of the Judiciary Committee, I'm also on the Armed Services Committee.
00:05:59.000So I'm on the cyber subcommittee where I get the offensive and defensive briefings every single quarter about what's going on in the world and specifically some of the intelligence that we're getting off of 702.
00:06:12.000And there's nothing here that would have put the country in danger by administering a warrant requirement because you and I both know there's a duty judge on 24-7.
00:06:21.000If you've got probable cause, you're going to be able to get an affidavit on that probable cause and to be able to proceed immediately.
00:06:28.000And again, this isn't foreigners in faraway land.
00:06:30.000This is if you want to do searches and queries on Americans.
00:06:33.000Just imagine a circumstance in which you're trying to get customer service through a call center and they route you to some foreign place and there happens to be some guy who also works at the call center who's got a cousin who wandered by a jihadist meeting.
00:06:48.000Now all of a sudden, are you going to be open to some expansive collection?
00:06:52.000I'm also very worried about the way that FISA was expanded to access Wi-Fi.
00:06:58.000I do not believe if you're on public Wi-Fi at a McDonald's or a public library, you should have a different envelope of Fourth Amendment protections than if you're walking down a public street.
00:07:09.000And when you start bifurcating the Fourth Amendment, you erode our liberties.
00:07:13.000The Democrats used to believe in that.
00:07:15.000Now, again, I will say, you know, you want to be critical of Republicans, but a majority of Republicans voted for the Fourth Amendment requirements.
00:07:23.000It was a majority of Democrats who voted against them.
00:07:26.000No, I understand that, but I expect every Republican to actually honor the Constitution.
00:07:30.000Any Democrat that happens to mistakenly stumble into the Constitution.
00:07:58.000Will the Senate accept the House bill and pass it with the 50-plus reforms that, again, I believe are insufficient, but are at least something?
00:08:06.000Or will the Senate try to send back a five-year reauthorization that strips President Trump of his ability to really work on this?
00:08:14.000They were never really too excited about a two-year reauthorization.
00:08:18.000So, it remains to be seen how the Senate will react.
00:08:21.000So, a few more tectonic plates to shift, but all signs point to FISA being reauthorized in a way that doesn't include a warrant and for a shorter period of time than they wanted.
00:08:30.000But certainly, we would have wished we could have had two or three more votes to get that warrant requirement on the bill.
00:08:36.000Yeah, it's just, and is it true that Lauren Boebert was out with the flu that day?
00:08:41.000That she would have been a tie-breaking vote.
00:08:43.000Lauren Bobert was there and voting and voted with me.
00:08:46.000Congresswoman Debbie Lesko of Arizona did not vote.
00:08:50.000She claimed she would have supported a warrant requirement, and she claimed she had the flu, and that was the reason she was not there to vote.
00:08:58.000So, it's yeah, just one vote very well could have changed the course of history, and the leviathan remains unchecked.
00:09:06.000Matt, speaking candidly, what can we share with Republican voters as to why their party cares about them?
00:09:13.000I think Republicans have been fighting insufficiently, and I think we have to take drastic measures now.
00:09:19.000It's usually considered like a war crime in this town if you oppose a Republican incumbent in a primary.
00:09:25.000And I think the only way we're going to inspire Republican voters is to give them better choices.
00:09:31.000And that's why I'm supporting Brandon Herrera against Tony Gonzalez in the state of Texas.
00:09:36.000And it's why I'm supporting Trent Staggs against my colleague John Curtis in the Senate race in Utah.
00:09:43.000I notice you've been doing some campaigning in Utah as well for Trent Staggs.
00:09:47.000But that's the only way we're going to be able to inspire people because if you look at our record, we've spent money at Nancy Pelosi's levels.
00:09:54.000We refused to utilize leverage to shut down the border.
00:09:58.000Instead, we've surrendered the border to third world narcos and thugs and criminals.
00:10:03.000And now we just largely surrendered an expansion of spying authorities to the bureaucrats.
00:10:08.000So when you're losing on the border, losing on the bureaucrats, losing on the budget, I think a lot of voters are right to look at Republicans and say, What is it that you will do for me in the face of an unprecedented onslaught by people in power on the left who wield that power excessively?
00:10:25.000I mean, look, as we're talking right now, you've seen a coordinated federal system to try to ensnare Donald Trump in lawfare to limit the reaches of his presidential campaign.
00:10:37.000And I think that knowing the fight we are in is so important.
00:10:41.000And we are right now in the heat of the primary cycle.
00:10:43.000Look, the establishment tried to take out Brandon Gill in Texas, and we got him through that primary as a consequence of the terrific campaign he ran.
00:10:51.000So all around the country, we got to get better candidates.
00:10:54.000And frankly, it means taking on more incumbents.
00:10:56.000It's uncomfortable to address it that way, but you have to change the people.
00:11:26.000They know that 90% of permanent change comes from the mind, and they work on eliminating the reason you gain this weight in the first place.
00:11:32.000There's no shortcuts, pills, or injections, just solid, science-based nutrition and behavior change.
00:11:36.000And finally, probably most importantly, I lost 30 pounds.
00:12:30.000I am not going to vote to send more money to Ukraine.
00:12:33.000I'm worried about an escalatory accident there.
00:12:35.000I also think that Ukraine is very likely to run out of men before they run out of bullets.
00:12:40.000And we're going to be asking ourselves in that conflict, sort of what we're doing there in the reality where Europe can stop that war anytime they want to.
00:12:49.000And I worry we're becoming the world's police force and the world's piggy bank.
00:12:52.000I think there's a lot more sympathy to be involved with Israel.
00:12:55.000To have Israel under attack by Iran is totally unacceptable.
00:12:58.000Iran's actions were escalatory and deserve universal condemnation.
00:13:02.000I thought the best way to support Israel was to take the money out of the United Nations.
00:13:08.000It's about a pretty comparable amount of money that we give to all these UN programs that would meet the needs that Israel has laid out for us in largely replenishing the Iron Dome.
00:13:17.000And a lot of that industry happens in the United States.
00:13:20.000Matter of fact, a lot of it happens in the state of Florida.
00:13:22.000And so I would love to drain money out of UNRWA, drain money out of the UN to ensure that we're able to meet the needs of a defensive posture that Israel is taking in a very aggressive neighborhood.
00:13:36.000So what do you think the position of the speaker will be on Ukraine?
00:13:40.000Are you talking about this as a loan, which I think is such a idea at all?
00:13:44.000That's just Washington, D.C. speak for we're, you know, we're never going to get that money back.
00:14:14.000And the speaker has also indicated that he didn't want to lump all of these bills together in previous public comments.
00:14:20.000However, you feel about Israel, Ukraine, Taiwan, these questions deserve their own dignity.
00:14:26.000The conflict in Taiwan is very different than the conflict in Ukraine, which is very different than the conflict in Israel.
00:14:32.000It's great power competition versus asymmetric threats.
00:14:36.000And so I just think lumping them all together is a way to give people political cover to vote for Ukraine when they otherwise wouldn't.
00:14:44.000And I don't think that our sympathies for Israel should drag Ukraine across the finish line.
00:14:50.000Now, when it comes to the likelihood of the outcome that you've queried, I believe the fact that every Democrat wants to fund Ukraine is likely to be dispositive because even though it's a minority of Republicans who want to fund it, when you lash that to every single Democrat, I think it's two-thirds or more that likely support that.
00:15:10.000And while Kevin McCarthy authorized $115 billion to Ukraine, Mike Johnson hasn't authorized any yet.
00:15:17.000I do believe he's probably likely to break the seal this week in moving some Ukraine legislation to the floor.
00:15:23.000I hope it's not lashed to Israel or Taiwan or frankly any other matter.
00:15:29.000I'm expectant for our country to be further betrayed.
00:15:34.000Why don't we have that kind of urgency on the border?
00:15:37.000I think that there is just sort of a willingness to surrender on the border among too many Washington Republicans.
00:15:44.000I would not send so much as a Mother's Day resolution over to the United States Senate unless it had our legislation on it to say only U.S. citizens can vote in U.S. elections.
00:15:54.000That will make a huge difference in a world in which the Biden administration has let in 10 million plus people, and we're seeing efforts to try to allow people to vote with just the documentation or social security number you get as a part of this broken asylum process that is really just amnesty and drag.
00:16:12.000So that's critically important if we cared about the border.
00:16:14.000Also, we should not have agreed to fund these large spending bills in the absence of real concessions on the border.
00:16:23.000And that's why I'm out all over the country on the campaign trail campaigning against Republicans who are voting for these bad spending bills, bad government spying bills, in the absence of the reforms that our voters are demanding.
00:17:16.000If you're waiting around for the next win, you have a governing coalition right now in the Uniparty that is against Fourth Amendment rights, that is for more wars, and doesn't give a damn about reducing spending or making things on the border.
00:17:28.000So that's why we got to get different people.
00:17:29.000That's the only conclusion I can draw from this: Republican primary voters have to stand up and be against some of the people voting against them.
00:19:37.000This New York criminal case that's been brought by Soros-funded DA, Alvin Bragg.
00:19:43.000It used to be referred to as the zombie case because no one wanted to touch it because of its clear legal frailties.
00:19:51.000Basically, it's called a hush money case, but it's not really about hush money at all.
00:19:57.000What this is about is business records, business records that were made in 2017 that recorded payments from Trump and the Trump organization to attorney Michael Cohen.
00:20:09.000And those business records listed those payments as legal retainer fees.
00:20:13.000And the allegation is that in actuality, those fees weren't for legal services at all, that they were either to cover up hush money payments used for election purposes.
00:20:25.000The theory of liability has never entirely been clear.
00:20:29.000But what's an issue here is whether President Trump purposely made false business records, created false business records in 2017.
00:20:39.000So this is a case involving conduct from half a decade ago that has no business in any courtroom, much less being tried in a courtroom at the height of a presidential election.
00:20:50.000We believe that it's been brought for fundamentally political purposes.
00:20:54.000And yet we see the spectacle here in New York today where President Trump is forced to be in a courtroom.
00:20:59.000He'll likely be in a courtroom a lot over the next six weeks or so instead of being out campaigning.
00:21:05.000It's election interference at its highest.
00:21:09.000It's crazy that this is going on right now.
00:21:12.000But I have full confidence in both President Trump and the team he has around him.
00:21:16.000I think that if this case were presented to a fair jury in a fair courtroom, there's no question that he would be acquitted.
00:21:32.000What, just please, as far as reaching for novel theories saying that this is covering up a crime when he's never been charged with a crime, Will, this is like against prosecutorial conduct 101.
00:21:45.000You're a very accomplished prosecutor.
00:22:14.000This whole thing is really just about interfering with President Trump's ability to campaign, and that's just wrong.
00:22:22.000In terms of the minutia of the case, there are some things I can say.
00:22:25.000There are some things I can't say because of a wildly unconstitutional gag order that's been imposed against us here.
00:22:32.000But I will say that the star witness, the key witness here is Michael Cohen.
00:22:38.000I can't say anything about what his testimony might be, but I will say that this is a man who several previous courts have found to be a perjurer.
00:22:47.000The idea as a prosecutor that you would rest your case on the testimony of a witness who just isn't credible for that reason, it's crazy to me.
00:22:56.000It's not something we would have ever done when I was an assistant U.S. attorney if we had a witness who'd previously lied in court and that the case revolved around that witness.
00:23:06.000You take a serious look at whether to bring that indictment in the first place at all.
00:23:10.000Here we have a scenario where Alvin Bragg decided that he wanted to indict Trump at all costs, and they resurrected this crazy case from the graveyard where bad cases go to die.
00:23:21.000And now we're seeing the results of that decision.
00:23:38.000No, this gag order is absolutely unprecedented.
00:23:41.000In American history, before President Trump, no candidate for public office had ever faced a gag order.
00:23:48.000No court had ever upheld a gag order against a candidate for public office, any candidate for public office, much less the leading candidate for president of the United States of America.
00:23:58.000The gag order in this case prohibits us from talking about potential witnesses, even while those witnesses are up on TV and on podcasts every day, trashing President Trump and trashing his defense.
00:24:11.000It prohibits us from talking about family members of the judge.
00:24:15.000We've moved to recuse the judge here, Judge Murshon, based on what we believe are irretrievable conflicts relating to family members of his.
00:24:29.000And we've seen this time and time again in Trump's cases, most notably in Washington, D.C., where Judge Tanya Chutkin entered a wildly overbroad gag order, which was then pared back to almost nothing or pared back very significantly by the D.C. circuit on appeal.
00:24:46.000But this is, I mean, when we talk about election interference, prohibiting the leading candidate for the presidency from talking about matters of public interest, including these trials against him, it's absolutely insane.
00:24:58.000It's a perversion both of our legal system and of our system of elections.
00:25:02.000And it should be terrifying to Americans of all political stripes, frankly.
00:25:07.000Here's what I can say because I'm not under a gag order.
00:25:09.000Judge Juan Murchon is a partisan Democrat who donated to Joe Biden.
00:25:13.000Judge Mershon's daughter, Lauren Mershon, runs a progressive consulting firm that raised $93 million for Adam Schiff and Senate Majority Pack, which means that if she takes like 5% of that, that's $4 million.
00:25:26.000Trump was slapped at the gag order for pointing out how the family makes money off of attacking Trump.
00:25:31.000And I want to get into that, Will, more broadly.
00:25:33.000You are someone that's dedicated your life to the American justice system, to the sacred tradition of guilt, innocent until proven guilty, and checks and balances, and separation of powers, and the rule of law.
00:25:46.000We believe that this will not discredit Trump or destroy Trump, but it very well might permanently discredit the American justice system or let's just say the justice system in New York or certain pockets.
00:26:02.000And look, everything you just said about Judge Mershon, we've said in court pleadings and more.
00:26:07.000New York's rules on recusal are actually quite clear and quite strict, and we think recusal is absolutely warranted here.
00:26:14.000In terms of your broader point, the fear here is that when you have political prosecutions, when you have the weaponization of law enforcement and of the courts for blatantly political ends, as you said, that undercuts Americans' confidence in our most basic institutions, in the rule of law itself.
00:26:35.000And once that confidence is lost, you're not going to get it back.
00:26:38.000That's what's so scary about this left-wing campaign to indict Trump in all these different courthouses, to drag him into court at every opportunity.
00:26:47.000They think they're defending democracy or whatever the heck else they talk about.
00:26:51.000What they're actually doing is undermining our Constitution, undermining the rule of law, and frankly, undermining the entire American experiment in a way that's not going to be easily retrievable in the future.
00:27:03.000It is so scary and so dangerous that I hope that free-thinking, even-minded people, even on the left, wake up to what they're doing and wake up to the dangers inherent in what's going on here.
00:27:16.000Will, it is the dangers inherent are legitimate.
00:27:20.000And how long do you think this trial is going to last?
00:27:22.000And is it true that Donald Trump has to sit through all this?
00:27:25.000By the way, Maggie Haberman just tweeted.
00:27:43.000Look, I've been in court with President Trump, and I've always found him to be highly attentive, highly interested in what's going on.
00:27:49.000When I was last in court with him in front of the DC circuit, it's been publicly reported that he was passing notes to me and had real questions about what was going on.
00:27:58.000So, I find that very, very difficult to believe.
00:28:02.000But, yes, I mean, this is a trial that's expected to last between six and eight weeks.
00:28:06.000A lot of that is going to be jury selection because it is so tough to seat an unbiased jury in light of the saturation media coverage, in light of the ongoing presidential election.
00:28:18.000That's one of the reasons we moved to have this trial delayed until after the election.
00:28:22.000After jury trial concludes, after jury selection concludes, which will likely be in about three weeks, if I had to guess, then we're looking at a two to three week long trial, maybe more.
00:28:34.000But I mean, again, we're at the height of a presidential election.
00:28:38.000And as you said, the leading presidential candidate is going to have to sit through every day of this trial: Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, every single day that court is in session.
00:28:49.000Court's not in session on Wednesdays until this trial concludes.
00:28:53.000If that's not election interference, I don't know what is.
00:28:56.000President Trump's going to have to be in court in New York instead of taking his message to the American people.
00:29:01.000And we all know how effective a messenger he is.
00:29:03.000Well, I also just want to reiterate, everybody, you know, this wears you down.
00:29:06.000So, this is kind of the grind him down strategy.
00:29:10.000You got to wake up early, go into court, get ridiculed in a Soviet show trial, and then maybe at night, right, Will, you might have a rally in Michigan.
00:29:17.000You might be able to get on a plane, go do a rally in Michigan, land in New York by midnight, wake up at 6 a.m., get, you know, wears full suit and tie.
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00:32:30.000This case is not going to be a quick in and out sort of endeavor.
00:32:33.000So who made the decision not to televise this?
00:32:36.000This would have been the most watched live stream television trial in history.
00:32:41.000Well, look, a lot of this trial is going to revolve around relatively boring business records testimony.
00:32:46.000So I'm not sure if people would actually really be glued to their TVs for that.
00:32:50.000I mean, they call it a hush money trial, but it really has very little to do with hush money and has much more to do with the arcana of New York business records law.
00:32:58.000I believe the decision was made by the judge in this case not to televise.
00:33:03.000I don't know exactly how that decision was made.
00:33:06.000But look, anything to reduce the media circus around this crazy trial, I think is important.
00:33:11.000I was down outside the courthouse this morning.
00:33:13.000I mean, you have more TV trucks down in that little cluster of New York than you probably have in some fairly large-sized states.
00:33:21.000It's pretty insane just how wall-to-wall the coverage has been.
00:33:25.000And I think that's really the plan here.
00:33:28.000Distract from the fact that we're on the verge of World War III in the Middle East, distract from our country's terrible, moribund economy, distract from inflation, distract from the crisis at the border, distract from all the failures of the Biden administration, and instead focus the entire country's attention on this case that, as we said before, should have never been brought, that relates to events that happened the better part of a decade ago, and that really has no business in any courtroom,
00:33:56.000much less in a courtroom with the defendant being a leading candidate for president.
00:34:04.000As far as we've been through the timeline, we've been through kind of all the different legal arguments and some of the minutiae regarding that.
00:34:15.000There are other legal cases that might pop up, federal cases.
00:34:18.000Do you think that Trump's going to be in a federal courthouse before election day?
00:34:22.000Yeah, look, actually, while we were on this call, we filed our reply brief in front of the U.S. Supreme Court on our presidential immunity appeal, which the Supreme Court is going to hear a week from Thursday.
00:34:34.000I don't believe that any other criminal trial will make it to trial before the election.
00:34:39.000I think we're pretty good on that point, especially if we win at the Supreme Court on presidential immunity.
00:34:47.000But again, I mean, for the next six to eight weeks, President Trump is going to be tied down in this New York thing, and that's just outrageous.