00:00:00.000Today, the Charlie Kirk Show, my conversation with James Lindsay.
00:00:04.000If you have any questions about CRT, Marxism, Hegelian dialected, this was one of my favorite conversations I've ever had with James Lindsay, and I've had several.
00:00:58.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:06.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:21.000And that's one of my big critiques, honestly, is how we describe liberal and conservative.
00:02:27.000Honestly, if you're a patriot and a free thinker, I don't care, honestly, what you call yourself, right?
00:02:32.000As long as you're not a Marxist, then it's a separate issue.
00:02:35.000But James Lindsay, more than anybody else, has done the difficult work of showing what is critical race theory, wokeism, ESG, the philosophical underpinnings of it.
00:02:45.000He has, I think, the most important book out in America on this topic called Race Marxism.
00:02:50.000In fact, we're even thinking about partnering and doing kind of like a parent's guide of how to crush the woke so that every parent and grandparent can, see, they love that idea.
00:03:02.000But what I love about James is how honest he is, and he comes at it from a completely different approach in the sense of he understands that these ideas will completely corrode our civilization from within.
00:03:23.000So it's good to tell an audience, what was the moment that you kind of changed directions or whatever in this regard?
00:03:31.000So a lot of people, I've talked to some of you, I've done my scouting research, don't know that in 2017 and 18, and it kind of actually started in 2016 before that, a couple of colleagues of mine, and this is what the podcast was about.
00:03:43.000Colleagues of mine and I did a project that was now known as a grievance studies affair.
00:03:47.000Well, what we did was we wrote a whole bunch of fake academic articles and submitted them to leading academic journals and gender studies and feminism, critical race, education.
00:04:07.000Yeah, so these papers, one of them, we literally took a chapter of Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf, and we rewrote it.
00:04:16.000We took out where he's talking about we have to bring our movement, which became the Nazi Party, and we rewrote that as intersectional feminism.
00:04:22.000And we just made all the words work and put in some research, and we submitted that, and a social work journal accepted that.
00:04:28.000You know, it's like no half measures, the crown of evil, you know, this whole thing.
00:04:33.000And one paper, this is a little adult, but we got a good audience.
00:04:38.000We did a paper on saying that there's obviously a big problem on college campuses and culture with what's called rape culture, that we all apparently support rape, which nobody on earth really does.
00:04:50.000But we said that if we studied the way that dogs have sex with each other at dog parks, that we could learn something about rape culture.
00:04:57.000And then what we could do is train men the way that we train dogs to stop rape.
00:05:02.000And that paper got accepted by a leading feminist geography journal and was given an award for excellence in scholarship.
00:05:09.000And so there were a bunch of these papers.
00:05:13.000We had another one just real quick that was fat bodybuilding, that the sport of bodybuilding allows for bigger bodies, but it discriminates against fat.
00:05:21.000And so that they have to add a category of fat exhibition for political purposes or else it's a fat phobic sport.
00:05:27.000And so that got accepted by a journal literally called Fat Studies.
00:05:32.000You don't know probably that there is a journal called Porn Studies.
00:05:36.000We had a paper under review there, and you can imagine.
00:05:38.000But one of the papers we wrote was under a leading, this was the turning point moment.
00:05:48.000So one of the papers was for education, and we had in education, and we had submitted it to the leading feminist philosophy journal, which is called Hypatia.
00:05:56.000And it was under peer review when we finished, so it did not end up getting published yet.
00:06:06.000You've got to develop it a little bit, but, and there's a problem that you do have to fix, a very significant problem.
00:06:12.000So what we had done is we had written a paper that said to overcome privilege, what we have to do is we have to mistreat privileged students.
00:06:18.000So white kids, men, we have to mistreat them.
00:06:21.000In fact, it would be best if we never answered their questions.
00:06:23.000We invite them to listen and learn in silence.
00:06:25.000And in fact, we should have you sit in the floor in chains and get spoken over and get interrupted and blah, blah, blah.
00:06:31.000But we're going to do it with compassion because they're supposed to be funny, right?
00:06:34.000And they wrote back, the peer reviewers said, we love this idea, but you can't use compassion because that will recenter the needs of the privileged.
00:06:42.000And I looked at that and I said, holy crap, this is a genocide in the making.
00:06:47.000And that's when I literally, I sat on it for a few weeks and thought about it.
00:06:50.000And I asked my wife if I could quit my job and dedicate all of my time full time to reading, studying, and delivering this message to people.
00:06:57.000Because I was like, nobody knows this.
00:06:59.000And this is going to end civilization.
00:07:01.000This is the logic of the end of civilization.
00:07:03.000And you were a mathematics professor at University of Tennessee.
00:07:22.000And so you then dive all the way into this and you realize that absent a couple articles here and there, people are not taking seriously this takeover of every major institution of our children, of education, of finance, of sports, of language.
00:07:51.000Where if you're burning down a Wendy's, it's better than wearing a mask.
00:07:56.000And so, really, large parts of the conservative movement, I use that term loosely, were completely taken by surprise where all of a sudden everything was about race, it was about structural inequity, oppressor versus oppressed.
00:08:09.000And we are still living through the damage that was implemented from the summer of 2020.
00:08:15.000And I'm not even talking about the burned buildings.
00:08:18.000I'm talking about how they saw their moment to change curriculum, implement textbooks, take over HR departments, be able to change hiring practices, affirmative action quotas.
00:08:29.000They saw a 90-day window when everyone was locked down and cooped up, took over the entire PR narrative to really introduce, in my opinion, this is provocative and the media will find this to be newsworthy.
00:08:42.000I think that mind virus has done and will do more damage than the Chinese coronavirus.
00:09:01.000This is one of the things I read in the literature writing those fake papers is there is a paper that was published right here, Arizona State University, two professors, Brianne Fawz and Michael Carger, if you want their names.
00:09:14.000They wrote this paper in 2016 called Women's Studies as a Virus.
00:09:18.000And in the paper, they explain that these ideologies like women's studies, and it could extend to gender or race or whatever you want it to be, are meant to operate.
00:09:26.000They said the ideal metaphor for what they do is a virus.
00:09:29.000They say an ideal metaphor for us would be viruses like HIV, Ebola, SARS.
00:10:07.000And we're going to get him to take a couple of classes in women's studies.
00:10:10.000They specifically use a male as the example, and I don't know why.
00:10:14.000They're going to get him to study women's studies or gender studies or whichever, and then we're going to infect him.
00:10:19.000And he's going to be an infectious agent.
00:10:20.000So when he goes to graduate school, he takes it to that graduate department.
00:10:24.000When he gets a job at a lab, he's going to take it to that lab.
00:10:26.000And you can imagine that in every field.
00:10:28.000And in particular, what they didn't say in that paper, but the field of education has been captured since the early 1990s at the very latest, maybe earlier.
00:10:36.000And they've been turning our teachers and our future school administrators into people whose job it is is to just like a virus.
00:10:43.000You guys, we all, thanks to COVID, know how viruses work.
00:10:48.000It makes viruses instead of doing cell stuff.
00:10:51.000Well, what their goal is is that they're going to inject their junk into the school, and all it's going to do is make more viral agents to spread the virus to more institutions and more people and more children.
00:11:02.000And when you say mind virus, I said this is the logic of a genocide.
00:11:06.000You're talking about this is the logic of unraveling civilization.
00:11:08.000And they have a viral program that they literally say is like AIDS because it suppresses the immune system.
00:11:14.000And that's how they want, that's the ideal metaphor they gave themselves, even here in Arizona, for what they want to do.
00:11:20.000And that pathogen is so widespread and institutionalized.
00:11:24.000The good news, though, is that millions of Americans started to realize how sick we were to continue the metaphor.
00:11:49.000And there's a lot of things we have to do to fix that here in Arizona.
00:11:52.000And we could talk about that as we continue.
00:11:55.000But what they're able to do, though, James, is they're very clever because anytime you dare criticize them, they immediately pull the race card.
00:12:03.000They say, well, we want six-year-olds to have constructive conversations about race.
00:12:07.000Or they go to the accusation, which is their new one, because we always got to be on the front tip of messaging.
00:12:12.000They say, oh, what do you want to ban books?
00:12:14.000And my response is always, yes, I actually do want to ban pornography for seven-year-olds.
00:12:18.000I mean, I'm actually really proud of that.
00:12:23.000And, you know, some liberal asked me, they said, well, Charlie, don't you think all opinions should be presented to students?
00:14:38.000So you want to teach children that are nine years old in Arizona schools about lesbian sex, but God forbid you would teach them about Proverbs, Psalms, Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John.
00:14:48.000Like, oh, no, well, we can't have that because we're absent of morality.
00:14:53.000So, but, James, how do we respond when they play the race card immediately?
00:14:57.000Because, and I'll be very honest, this is a white guilt kind of phenomenon where white people have been guilted for no reason whatsoever to just do nothing and allow these incredibly miserable, deranged people to take over our country because, and it's mostly an upper-middle-class society.
00:15:14.000And I see this white guilt phenomenon spreading in Scottsdale like crazy, driving me nuts, right?
00:15:19.000Where, you know, the mom drives the Tesla, the kids to school, and she then her whole day is like, I have to try to repent for all this wealth or something.
00:15:29.000James, and by the way, it's very powerful.
00:15:31.000White guilt is something that funded the BLM movement and has been the basis for this.
00:15:35.000When they play the race card, how do we respond?
00:16:20.000They don't like to kill a mockingbird because they say it reinforces a white supremacist judicial construct of presumption of innocence and independent judiciary.
00:17:58.000You have to not care about the accusation, but what you really need to do is take another step beyond that and realize this is a person who's trying to manipulate and control a situation, trying to manipulate and control a social circumstance around me to make me look bad so they won't listen to me.
00:18:13.000And if you kind of just step up and say it, call it out and say, you can't control me this way.
00:18:20.000What you're saying is not true and I'm not going to put up with it.
00:18:25.000Yeah, and they're not used to citizens having the conviction or the spine or the wherewithal to hold their ground when they receive an accusation.
00:18:34.000What they want is, well, but I, but you know, but I have a black friend.
00:18:38.000And then they're going to get you with that.
00:18:39.000Yeah, and that's where, again, kind of the turning point philosophy is: shut up, bigot.
00:20:16.000And on our podcast, on our radio show, we call this the final phase for a reason.
00:20:21.000Because as the spell is breaking, as their mind control, their ability to be able to manipulate your behavior and action, the only thing they have left is handcuffs and leg irons.
00:20:34.000Because if they're not able to kind of control your actions by calling you the R-word, all they have left is brute force.
00:20:41.000And that's actually a good sign because that's not sustainable.
00:21:08.000This is exactly why in China, it's very, very hard to overthrow the CCP because there is not a living person that remembers a free society in mainland China.
00:21:17.000They have no memory of a free society.
00:21:18.000So what are they supposed to restore back to?
00:21:21.000And this is exactly why Iraq was not able to become this beautiful constitutional republic.
00:21:27.000All they've known is Islamic theocratic fascism for the last 1,400 years.
00:21:33.000It's a long process to get you to self-government.
00:21:36.000And so with that being said, they want, as the spell is breaking, because I believe it is breaking, as we're actually getting them to be on defense, they get to a place where they're like, all right, let's pull the ripcord.
00:22:01.000Yeah, this is, I mean, I tell people this a lot.
00:22:03.000A very simple definition of a free society, a free classically liberal society, a very, very simple definition is that nobody has the authority to use force first, including the government.
00:22:16.000Nobody has the right to use force first.
00:22:18.000And people who understand that in their bones, like American patriots, understand that in their bones.
00:22:24.000Nobody has the right to use force first.
00:22:27.000When you unmask them and they can't use their word games and you defeat their mid-level violence provocation, that's the name for it in political warfare, is a mid-level violence provocation.
00:22:38.000They have to use force and then they look illegitimate.
00:22:41.000As a matter of fact, that's why they use mid-level violence.
00:22:43.000Let me tell you what mid-level violence is.
00:24:21.000People see through it, and you gain the moral upper hand, and they lose it.
00:24:24.000And then you can start winning every time.
00:24:26.000So there's two topics I want to get to before we do some questions.
00:24:29.000I know a lot of you probably have questions for James on this topic.
00:24:31.000The first, I want to talk about the military, which I think does not get enough focus on how these ideas have infiltrated our fighting force.
00:24:39.000And the second, I want to talk about, finally, queer theory, which is very, very important, which does not get enough emphasis.
00:24:45.000And in fact, as much as people are willing to kind of fight on CRT, a lot of upper-middle-class white societies, like, but I'm okay with my eight-year-old learning about lesbianism.
00:26:22.000It's entering into an institution and taking it over.
00:26:24.000So what you do is you make the good people, they're doing this in the schools too, you make the good people want to quit by making it intolerable to be there, or you press them out with some kind of a mandate that they're not going to abide by, and then you refill the ranks with people who are going to be compliant to you.
00:26:38.000This is why they're defunding the police.
00:26:41.000They're going to refund the police when it's going to be diversity, equity, and inclusion hiring only.
00:26:47.000It's to push people out who might do the right thing if the moment comes and to demoralize the force so that it won't have that strength, that character, that unity that it needs to be able to do the job it needs to do.
00:27:45.000So it turns out that on a bunch of those dot mil computers and on a bunch of those IP addresses, they were like white supremacist groups in America for a couple of months.
00:27:54.000And then the extremism standdown comes and they said, here's this graph showing searches just within the military alone of white supremacy groups in America.
00:28:01.000And look at this spike in just the last few months after they introduced it.
00:28:04.000That's what Mao did in what was called the Hundred Flowers Campaign, the Bihua, which what that means is that he said, let 100 flowers bloom.
00:28:12.000And he said, we're going to have free speech in China.
00:28:30.000It's a very, very dangerous situation.
00:28:32.000And these are straight-up Marxist tactics that they're using to co-opt the most powerful, most important fighting force on this planet.
00:28:39.000And if you don't realize the gravity of that, you got to open your eyes.
00:28:42.000And this is so profound, what James just said.
00:28:45.000He articulated it better than I think anybody in the country, where he says, we want the good ones to quit, defund it, and then resupply them with loyal Soviet agents.
00:28:54.000Boy, is that what they're doing, right?
00:28:55.000Vaccine mandates, schools, because the good ones, how many people here have quit a job, defected?
00:29:00.000I don't want to deal with this anymore.
00:29:11.000And then they resupply the power organizations, the colleges, the FBI, the DOJ, Google, Goldman Sachs, with people that are then loyal to that very regime.
00:29:20.000And James, you just touched on something that is so really important that I want to re-emphasize, which is they, being the left, are now unilaterally fascinated with state power.
00:29:32.000Now, you might say that's always been the case.
00:29:35.000The Democrat Party in America and the liberals used to have a tension point, and James used to be part of this, where you had kind of the Dennis Kucinich wing, the anti-war wing, where they legitimately thought that government should supply a lot of resources to people, you know, help with social welfare benefits.
00:29:50.000But when it comes to domestic surveillance, when it comes to foreign wars, that that's something that will hurt us.
00:29:56.000Now, they came from kind of a tradition of the Black Panthers and many other revolutionary groups in the 60s and 70s literally being infiltrated.
00:30:07.000I just went to college for a really long time.
00:30:08.000No, but literally being infiltrated by the FBI and the DOJ and J. Edgar Hoover in the 60s and 70s.
00:30:15.000And so legitimate Marxist revolutionaries, you can still talk to them.
00:30:18.000They'll be like, back in the 70s, the FBI stopped our Black Panther.
00:30:22.000I'm like, yeah, that's not totally true.
00:30:23.000But there is some truth that the original Black Panthers were actually very, very peaceful and that there's documents to show that the feds infiltrated a lot of these groups, escalated the language, elevated and promoted.
00:30:34.000I'm more on board for that theory than any other time in history, by the way, given what I've just learned about federal agencies and what you have in the last 18 months, right?
00:30:42.000I used to think that stuff was all a bunch of nonsense.
00:30:44.000I'm like, hmm, it actually might be true that our government infiltrated some of these groups and actually made them violent and made them uncharacteristically more likely to be belligerent.
00:30:54.000And I'm sure there's more nuance to that story, but there is documents that show the FBI infiltrated these groups.
00:31:00.000But the point is this: in the 70s and 80s, liberals used to be like, yeah, live and let live.
00:31:04.000And then some people on the left would be more kind of authoritarian status Falinist.
00:31:08.000The entire American left has been taken over of worship of the state.
00:31:13.000And it is this incredibly confusing, and it's confusing for a reason.
00:31:17.000It's a term that Sam Francis coined that you're not allowed to talk about Sam Francis because people call him a racist.
00:31:24.000And it's the most brilliant description of what they're going towards.
00:31:27.000And believe it or not, I actually independently came to a far less, let's just say, appropriate term about 10, like five years ago as I was in San Francisco.
00:31:36.000Like, man, there's a simultaneously blend of anarchy and tyranny happening at once.
00:31:41.000Where I'm walking the streets of San Francisco, if you defecate, do drugs, or if you kidnap somebody, you're not getting arrested.
00:31:47.000But if you misgender somebody, they're going to come and find you and destroy your job.
00:31:50.000And Sam Francis called it anarcho-tyranny, beautiful term, right?
00:31:54.000And so this is where we're at right now, where they give you fake, self-indulgent, pleasure-seeking freedom.
00:31:59.000It's fake freedom: drugs, sex, prostitution, whatever makes you feel good, increase the dopamine and the serotonin.
00:32:07.000But any actual freedom, things that pursue virtue, build a family, worship your creator, is disallowed by the state.
00:32:15.000And that's where it really confuses people.
00:32:59.000What you're experiencing there is a word.
00:33:01.000There was a word for this in the 1960s.
00:33:03.000The guy I mentioned last night, the arch communist of the 1960s, Herbert Marcusa, wrote an essay in 1965 by the title Repressive Tolerance.
00:33:11.000And so what he said is that our society is tolerant, but it's repressive tolerance.
00:33:15.000The conservatives repress everything that they don't really want to be free, like sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
00:33:20.000Exactly these things Charlie was just referencing.
00:33:23.000And so they have this whole repressive system that they claim is tolerant, but the tolerance is extremely limited.
00:33:28.000And so he said what we're going to have in the answer that we're living in now is what he called liberating tolerance, which is literally, in his own words, the punchline sentence is three paragraphs or so from the bottom.
00:33:39.000Is that liberating tolerance would mean toleration being extended to movements from the left and being withdrawn from movements from the right.
00:33:53.000He's explicit, and he explains why violence from the left is okay, violence from the right, or even the thought of violence from the right is not okay.
00:33:59.000And in fact, he says that the right doesn't just have to have tolerance withdrawn.
00:34:02.000It has to be censored and not even just censored, pre-censored, so that the thought can't even enter their head of anything that might be reactionary or preserving of the society that they live in.
00:34:14.000And so there's another name for this, which is liberating tolerance or repressive tolerance.
00:34:23.000He was their godfather of the left of today.
00:34:28.000All those 60s radicals who are the big power, Angela Davis, all these big power brokers that are in their 60s and their 70s and their 80s now, who are running college departments, they're running colleges.
00:34:39.000All of those guys were devotees of this guy 50 years ago.
00:34:53.000And so this idea that they've created a false freedom while doing this is exactly what they do.
00:35:01.000Now, why is it so embedded in the state?
00:35:03.000Well, besides the fact that, of course, Marcuse is a Marxist and therefore the state.
00:35:06.000This is what I was talking about last night when I was saying this is a religion.
00:35:09.000And you have to understand, Hegel's view of religion that Marx took to another level is that you have a perfect idea of the world, and that's like God the Father.
00:35:20.000In fact, he called it the absolute idea and identified it with God.
00:35:23.000And then below that is you have how that comes into the world in practice in the material realm.
00:35:28.000And that, in Hegel's own words, his exact words is: the state is the divine idea as it exists on earth.
00:35:35.000Now, if you're a Christian, you know what the divine idea as it exists on earth was or is transcendently.
00:35:43.000The state plays the role of messianic savior for them.
00:35:48.000Their belief, if you understand that this is an old Gnostic magical religion, is that the state is the demiurge.
00:35:56.000It is the thing that has the power to create the world that you want to have.
00:36:14.000Hegel says that the idea gives birth to the state.
00:36:17.000The state actually, if you listen to Marx, what did he say?
00:36:20.000The state is going to assume absolute power.
00:36:22.000There'll be a dictatorship of the proletariat.
00:36:24.000Lenin went on to say that true communism will arise when the state reaches its zenith, its maximum of power, at which point, in Marx's words, it will wither away of its own accord.
00:36:38.000The state in the leftist religion that nobody knows is a religion because they talked all the religious and magical elements, and it is a magician heresy religion, into economics and politics, where you don't see it as spiritual any longer.
00:36:52.000The state is the element that is the savior, the Messiah, and it comes and it goes and it comes and it goes cyclically over and over and over again in a cyclical process of death and rebirth where you're reborn, your society is reborn, more and more and more socialists on each turn.
00:37:15.000They say we have whitewashed education, we have redwashed education.
00:37:18.000We have educated our children for a generation or two, certainly the millennials, certainly Gen Z, certainly whatever they're calling the centennials, they get demoted from the millennials, the next one down.
00:37:30.000They only get 100 years behind them, I guess.
00:37:32.000Anyway, whatever this next, they're certainly indoctrinating them to believe that, as I heard in a podcast just the other day, or a recording on the news just the other day, somebody sent me, this young woman's talking and she says everything that's a necessity of life, and she's like food, shelter, medical care, education, internet, clothing, yeah, everything should be paid for by the government.
00:38:07.000Somebody's missing an important point.
00:38:09.000But what they see is that the state becomes the vehicle to save them.
00:38:13.000And this is why you saddle them with gigantic amounts of student loan debt, and then you get the government to write a gigantic check to bail them out of it.
00:38:20.000This is why you saddle them, we don't talk about queer theory, with transgender injury and destruction of their body.
00:38:27.000Absolute destructions of their bodies and their minds.
00:38:30.000So they're going to be very expensive pharmaceutical patients for the rest of their life, also with, you know, your vacc subscription you're going to need.
00:38:58.000But this is why they've been induced to worship the state as their savior, literally as the Christ figure of a demented, upside-down, perverted religion that they don't even know that they're worshiping because they think it's about politics and identity and all this other junk.
00:39:15.000I wish every pastor in America understood this, right?
00:39:17.000I mean, I can tell you they would not say any pastor who understood this would not say, well, we can bring critical race theory into this church as an analytical tool subordinate to scripture.
00:40:22.000In other words, it must fill every crack of your psychology.
00:40:25.000It must enter into every aspect of your emotional, physical, and spiritual life.
00:40:30.000There is no higher purpose, or as we would call it, if we were Supreme Court justices caring about ruling this as a religion, we would say there is no higher duty of conscience than to fulfill the demands of this ideology.
00:40:42.000There's to be no deviation, no free thought, absolutely nothing.
00:40:46.000This is to be the new, absolutely, supremely reigning religion of the world that everything else has to serve in its own way.
00:40:53.000And if a pastor doesn't understand what they're bringing into their church when they're bringing this in, they need to wake up now and they need to stand because they, as I said at the Turning Point Faith Conference, Pastor's Conference, they're the last bulwark that this country has against evil and tyranny, and they need to wake up.
00:42:30.000But no, if you consider that the people who are normal get to decide what counts as being normal and what doesn't, and they get to enforce that on everybody and get to exclude people who are freaks and weirdos and perverts and want to dress up as puppies or whatever, like the guy in the White House that runs our nuclear waste.
00:43:14.000So anything that is abnormal, anything that challenges normal, anything that disrupts normal, or in their word, anything that complicates the normal is what queer theory is about.
00:44:01.000And that's what queer theory is all about.
00:44:02.000Queer theory is making sure that children, young children, don't know if they're a boy or a girl or what it means to be a boy or a girl.
00:44:08.000They don't know if they're straight or gay because they complicated the notion of being straight.
00:44:12.000They complicate anything to do with sex, gender, and sexuality, health status, mental health status, so that nobody can be quite sure of what they are.
00:44:32.000And he deadlifted the world record of women's deadlifting.
00:44:35.000And then he said, I'm not a woman anymore after he was done with it, like two minutes or five minutes or whatever.
00:44:39.000And they were like, obviously, that's not legitimate.
00:44:41.000Or if Donald Trump had walked out and said, I identify as the first transgender woman president of the United States, ha ha ha, they would have said not legitimate.
00:45:11.000It is the most depressed, anxious, suicidal, medicated generation in history because we decided to give them a digital pacifier, which I believe is actually more harmful in some ways than cocaine and heroin to a young person.
00:45:46.000And that's where this trans stuff, by the way, is given massive platforms.
00:45:50.000And the Chinese Communist Party knows what they're doing.
00:45:52.000They promote the very ideology that's going to destroy our country so that our eight-year-olds, because our parents give them these devices, which should never happen, they're looking at this and they say, oh, well, maybe I'm trans.
00:46:11.000All the Chinese videos they promote domestically are about what we would call like strong, patriotic, conservative values, weightlifting, taking care of your body.
00:46:22.000They don't allow the trans stuff in China.
00:46:24.000And you know, by the way, that, of course, everybody knows the Chinese is a gigantic surveillance state, right?
00:46:28.000And they've got those cameras and facial recognition software and yada yada yada, right?
00:46:33.000Okay, so you're going to let your data pipeline doesn't close down because it's in an American phone.
00:46:38.000Of course, that's what they built it for.
00:46:40.000In fact, there's reports now saying that TikTok is actually a Chinese CCP malware.
00:46:45.000And your child is making videos of themselves from every angle.
00:46:49.000So they got all your kids' biometrics.
00:46:50.000They know what your kid looks like from every single angle.
00:46:53.000You think they honestly, they can't believe how easy it is.
00:46:58.000They're like, wow, we created an app and every American parent lets their kid just give us all their access.
00:47:04.000I guess it's easier than making your kid read or something.
00:47:07.000And that's, by the way, tapped into queer theory because what that is, is how you feed a young individual's narcissism, their love for self, their love for the image of themselves.
00:47:18.000Which, by the way, goes back to the hermetic thing, but we won't do that right now.
00:47:20.000But that's why they end up so depressed by the time they're 17 or 18 because they're only thinking about themselves.
00:47:25.000They're not thinking about duty, obligation, purpose, relationship.
00:47:29.000They're only thinking about themselves all day long, which creates a highly depressed people.
00:47:33.000You are not designed by your creator to think about yourself all the time.
00:47:48.000But I just want to say, don't, we got to make sure this speech gets in front of millions of people that James Lindsay just said, right?
00:47:54.000So for everyone watching online, if you guys want to help make that happen, you guys get a booklet in return, tpusa.com, gift of any amount.
00:48:34.000Regarding mid-level violence and the example of pointing your finger in my face, what if we're at the dinner table or the card table and someone is praising the vaccine?
00:49:25.000And so it's actually the most contentious, most damaging arguments that you will get in and the least resolvable.
00:49:31.000Your brother, your child, your mother is the least likely to be able to hear you out because they expect you're going to hear them out too.
00:49:45.000And in fact, I even told, I won't say with family members, I don't want to have this conversation, frankly.
00:49:50.000I'd like to have a more pleasant conversation with our time together.
00:49:53.000But what you're actually looking at, this is a form of kind of psychological mid-level violence, but there's a technique that's being used that's called renormalization.
00:50:01.000So renormalization is where you get an absolutely obstinate person who has an opinion.
00:50:06.000We could use the vaccine as an example.
00:50:07.000It's easier because I read the book on it with this example of the vegan.
00:50:12.000Somebody in your family decides that they're vegan, they're never going to eat meat again, and you have the option, are you going to make one meal or two?
00:50:18.000And it's just harder to make two meals.
00:50:19.000So eventually you're just cooking vegan meals with chicken on the side and you're not mixing it in.
00:50:23.000And then eventually you're like, eh, I don't even feel like making the chicken on the side.
00:50:29.000But then there's a neighborhood barbecue and they're like, well, the Joneses are all vegan.
00:50:32.000So now we've got to make sure that there's like barbecued pineapple and some jackfruit.
00:50:37.000Pulled jackfruit instead of pulled pork.
00:50:40.000And then the neighborhood starts sliding toward at least full acceptance of this.
00:50:44.000And this is exactly the kind of mentality that I've witnessed with the absolute inability to recognize people's personal decisions regarding the vaccine.
00:50:52.000I don't think that anybody should, whatever you feel about it, whether you got it for whatever reason, I don't care.
00:50:57.000I think that that should have been a personal decision that you got to make.
00:51:01.000Now, personally, I wish I would have done more to discourage people from getting it now that we're seeing what happened and many of us saw this coming.
00:51:10.000But fine, it's a personal decision between you and your doctor as a consultant, not as an authority.
00:51:25.000And all you can say is this, I can't participate in that.
00:51:27.000And if it's a close relationship, I strongly urge, you know, I don't participate.
00:51:31.000Stand your ground, make your statement, and say, I really think we should just talk about other stuff.
00:51:35.000You don't have to have the conversation with people that are close.
00:51:38.000That network of relationships and something that overcomes the politics is so important in an environment where they're tearing families apart.
00:51:45.000Yeah, and I found at least what's somewhat helpful.
00:51:47.000If you're dealing with an honest broker, that's the most important thing.
00:51:49.000If you're not dealing with an honest person or someone who's never going to hear what you have to say, then forget it.
00:51:54.000Or listen, we have to say, just dismiss it.
00:51:59.000If people are not going to honestly listen and really internalize it and entertain it, your time is way more valuable than to talk to somebody who's just going to play ping-pong back and forth and irritate you and provoke you.
00:52:10.000But I will say this: something that they do to us that we are getting better at is they always use experts, experts, experts, right, James?
00:52:19.000Because of the urgency of the moment, and thanks to just, I think, the Lord rising up some courageous voices, we have an A-team, all-star team of experts that you don't have to do the arguing for you.
00:52:29.000Just say to your friend, hey, next time we're going to talk, just listen to one hour of Dr. Robert Malone, and then let's have a conversation, right?
00:52:36.000I mean, now all of a sudden, what you've done, you've made yourself all of a sudden distance from the argument.
00:52:41.000You can lean on their credibility, lean on their expertise, lean on their resume, lean on their ability to be forceful.
00:52:50.000I didn't say it's not just Malone, it's McCullough, it's Dr. Harvey Risch, it's all these incredible people.
00:52:55.000And yeah, exactly, Dr. Pierre Corey, thank you.
00:52:57.000And now it's not just about you, it's now about a roster, a team, a community of people that, and all of a sudden, it's like, wait a second, look, I'm not an expert, but when all these really credentialed people, including Malone, who actually created the technology behind the mRNA vaccine, are so forceful and using such incredibly, you know, let's just say charged language, maybe they know something that's worthy of consideration.
00:53:19.000You've just completely changed the debate to be about you, to be about all of a sudden a community of experts that they're going to try to have to indict.
00:55:18.000Take over your school board, take over your mayor's office, mentor 10 young people, right?
00:55:22.000And then spend an hour a day with your phone off and read something that was written before you were born by somebody that knows more than you do.
00:55:39.000Charlie, last night you said that everybody in the room agreed basically on two things: that we all believe in God and that we are not God.
00:55:46.000You're sitting next to a man who just a little while ago you said is not a Christian.
00:55:50.000I know that James has written some books quite critical of Christianity.
00:55:53.000What would you, the question for either one of you, what would you say to we secularists, those who don't necessarily believe that America was founded on Christian values?
00:56:00.000We read Thomas Jefferson, who was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights.
00:56:05.000Of course, he edited the Bible down to a quick pamphlet.
00:56:08.000Those who, where is our place in this fight?
00:56:10.000We would like to have a place as well.
00:56:12.000Yeah, I mean, look, you're always welcome aboard the truth train, right?
00:56:16.000But I would say, look, America is undoubtedly a Christian nation, was founded as such, right?
00:56:20.000And look, I'll just give you some, and by the way, you're welcome here, and thank you for being here, right?
00:56:25.00055 out of 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence were Bible-believing, church-attending Christians.
00:56:30.000John Adams, you know, was very, very clear, spoke fluent Hebrew, and said, you know, the United States Constitution of America was founded by and by and for a holy and religious people.
00:56:39.000It is wholly inadequate for the people of any other.
00:56:41.000George Washington was a devout and very, very, you know, focused Christian.
00:56:46.000Not to mention how America actually came into existence was more than just Thomas Jefferson.
00:56:50.000It's who mentored them and who actually laid the foundation for it, which was the Black Robe Regimen, right?
00:56:54.000It was the sermons of Jonathan Edwards and Mayhew and George Whitfield that laid the entire foundation of anywhere between 40 to 50,000 sermons that talked about how God, not King George, should actually be the person in charge and should be the head of your government, all these different things.
00:57:09.000God is mentioned four times in the Declaration of Independence.
00:57:13.000He even mentioned laws of nature and nature is God.
00:57:15.000We've pledged all these things through our Creator, go on and so on and so forth.
00:57:18.000But I will say this: that all of that put aside, despite the fact that America was a Christian nation, that every single state, state by state, had Christian laws, not just the federal government, what is your place?
00:57:40.000We need people that are saying things that are true.
00:57:42.000The scriptures say, Philippians 4:8, whatsoever is true, whatsoever is beautiful, think on these things, whatsoever is praiseworthy.
00:57:49.000And if James, who I consider to be the world's most expert on these issues, we might have some theological differences, is going to come here and just drop the bomb on the evil people.
00:57:59.000You know what it's like saying, some people say, Charlie, how dare you have someone who doesn't believe in God in an event?
00:58:03.000I say, okay, do you all of a sudden, when you step on an airplane, say, hey, I only have Christians as pilots, or when you have heart surgery, you say, I only have Christians as heart surgeons.
00:58:10.000No, you want the most qualified and you want the best for your mission, for your goal.
00:58:15.000And I could say this: I wish American Christians had as much clarity, wisdom, and courage as James Lindsay does.
01:01:29.000Honor your mother and father is the only one of the Ten Commandments that involves your country and involves a promise because it's not just honor your mother and father.
01:01:37.000It is honor your mother and father so that you may live long in the land of which you are in.