The Charlie Kirk Show - Dr. Oz Condemns 'Medical Transition of Minors' with Dr. Mehet Oz and Thomas Klingenstein

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:02.000 We have Dr. Oz.

00:00:04.000 I asked him about many different things, his race against Fetterman, and also how does he stand on transgender surgeries for children?

00:00:12.000 His answer made some news.

00:00:14.000 And then later in the program, what are Trump's virtues?

00:00:17.000 A viral conversation with Tom Klingenstein.

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00:01:46.000 One of the strategies and tactics is to make it seem as if you don't matter.

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00:02:16.000 There's an incredibly important Senate race happening in Pennsylvania against a very, very dangerous person, against John Fetterman.

00:02:27.000 And Dr. Oz is running as a Republican in Pennsylvania, and he joins us right now.

00:02:32.000 Dr. Oz, welcome to the program.

00:02:34.000 It's good to be with you.

00:02:35.000 Thanks for all you're doing.

00:02:36.000 You bet.

00:02:36.000 Thank you.

00:02:37.000 So tell us about yourself.

00:02:38.000 You're running one of the most critical Senate races right now in America against, as I said, one of the most dangerous people.

00:02:44.000 We'll get into Fetterman in a second.

00:02:46.000 But tell us about yourself and why you're running for office.

00:02:49.000 Well, Charlie, my father was an immigrant.

00:02:51.000 He grew up on a dirt floor, and he knew the only way out of that farming community was to get an education.

00:02:58.000 So that's what he got, a scholarship.

00:03:00.000 At the time, the United States government was very wisely looking for top graduates, in his case, from medical school, and they recruited him to come to this country.

00:03:08.000 And when he landed on these shores, he thought, this is unbelievable.

00:03:11.000 The American dream is real and uniquely real in the United States.

00:03:16.000 So he knew if he worked hard, if he served his fellow American, if he served America, he would become an American.

00:03:22.000 And that's the American dream that I grew up believing as well, which is why every single day of my life, I've worked as hard as I can.

00:03:28.000 I thought it was an obligation, but also a gift from this great country.

00:03:30.000 And I'm running in part to make sure that that American dream stays untarnished as it's passed from generation to generation.

00:03:37.000 But you and I both notice, and many listeners as well, and I am optimistic as you highlight.

00:03:41.000 Keep your head up because there's so much good going out there and so much awakening that's happening.

00:03:46.000 But there are members of the radical left fringe of the Democratic Party, it's not even most Democrats, who don't believe in the American dream.

00:03:53.000 And they have waged an all-out war on the fundamental assumptions that I always thought were the common beliefs of most Americans.

00:04:01.000 And that's the big battle that we're waging.

00:04:03.000 And the poster child for a lot of that far-left radical thinking is my opponent in this race, John Fetterman.

00:04:09.000 And we'll get to him in a second. 0.58

00:04:10.000 Yeah, I mean, Fetterman is so, he's such a fake, and it's so insulting.

00:04:16.000 You know, something that strikes me, and I want to compliment you for this, is, you know, when you go to central Pennsylvania, you know, you dress like a surgeon because you are who you are. 0.98

00:04:24.000 This guy is a phony. 0.77

00:04:26.000 He's a trust fund baby. 0.98

00:04:28.000 And he is a radical dressing in shorts and a sweatshirt and a hoodie.

00:04:33.000 Like, who do you think you are exactly?

00:04:35.000 Acting as if he just got off working in a steel mill, when in reality, he has no connection at all to the people in central Pennsylvania.

00:04:43.000 And he wants to release a third of all criminals onto the streets.

00:04:47.000 In fact, I think we have a piece of tape here I want to play here of Fetterman saying that.

00:04:53.000 Let me see if I can find the tape here, if we could dig it up.

00:04:56.000 Fetterman saying, cut play 41.

00:04:58.000 Play cut 41.

00:04:58.000 We'll get your reaction, Dr. Oz.

00:05:00.000 My hope is there's a political will to abolish death by incarceration for second-degree murder here in Pennsylvania because it's a tragedy.

00:05:09.000 And that's my hope.

00:05:12.000 That's a tragedy.

00:05:13.000 What planet is he living on?

00:05:15.000 You know, he was asked if you could wave a wand and get whatever you wanted for the people of Pennsylvania and for the country, what would you wish?

00:05:22.000 And he wanted to get rid of life imprisonment.

00:05:24.000 And I'm thinking, there's a lot of big problems out there.

00:05:27.000 If I could fix any one thing, that would not be top of mind for me because it highlights what John Fetterman continues to portray, which is he cares more about the criminals than the innocent.

00:05:38.000 We have the highest, highest murder rates of our history in Philadelphia.

00:05:43.000 And John Fetterman is making comments that you just heard, once he released one-third of all prisoners.

00:05:47.000 He's actually argued with other parole board members over releasing convicted murderers who were in life or prison for a reason that the judge and the jury at the time thought was appropriate.

00:05:57.000 And when he gets them out, he's celebrating.

00:05:59.000 He hired a couple onto his campaign staff.

00:06:01.000 And I made the argument that I want my campaign staff to reflect the people and values of Pennsylvania.

00:06:06.000 I don't think that's middle of the road.

00:06:08.000 And those kinds of positions bother not just folks living in the, you know, in the city of Philadelphia, but the suburban areas, people wondering what's going on here.

00:06:16.000 What about us?

00:06:17.000 What about law-abiding citizens?

00:06:18.000 And it highlights a bigger issue, which is John Fetterman thinks he's above other people and above the law.

00:06:24.000 That's why he takes draconian positions, but he doesn't enforce them for himself.

00:06:29.000 I want everyone in our national audience to understand John Fetterman is more dangerous than Bernie Sanders.

00:06:34.000 He is a caricature that is right out of Hollywood, and they think so low of the average Pennsylvanian.

00:06:42.000 They think that if you just kind of dress as if you're some sort of middle American guy, he has no, like the tattoos and the shorts, it's all a fraud.

00:06:50.000 So, Dr. Oz, we need to get the MAGA base unified and consolidated.

00:06:56.000 And I say on this program quite often that I think Republicans at times go to D.C. and do one thing after saying another.

00:07:03.000 The base is very upset kind of broadly with that kind of pattern of behavior.

00:07:09.000 So many politicians talk a good game and then they just turn around.

00:07:13.000 Can you speak to that for a little bit and give confidence to especially Trump voters in Pennsylvania that you'll be a strong vote in the U.S. Senate?

00:07:21.000 Charlie, thank you for all along at least hearing my perspectives and giving me some really helpful advice along these lines.

00:07:27.000 Let's just go back to my motivation.

00:07:29.000 I had a talk show.

00:07:31.000 I'm a heart surgeon.

00:07:32.000 I had a great life, Charlie.

00:07:34.000 I mean, the reason I'm running for the United States Senate is because I'm so upset, so concerned over the fate of our nation.

00:07:41.000 And I articulated very clearly, and I have done it every single day of our campaign, why I'm running.

00:07:46.000 To protect our American family values, to make sure that our kids are where they need to be, both in educational values, but also the content that they're learning.

00:07:55.000 I have strong sentiments about the need for us to have safe city streets.

00:07:58.000 It's why the Paternal Order of Police have endorsed me.

00:08:00.000 I've expressed my positions on the Second Amendment.

00:08:03.000 I mean, go down the list.

00:08:04.000 These are not issues that I wandered into.

00:08:06.000 I've thought about them deeply my entire life.

00:08:09.000 I worked on them like most people.

00:08:11.000 You know, you improve yourself as you go along.

00:08:13.000 There is no point in me giving up the life that I had to run for office, to go to Washington, just so I can go along and get along.

00:08:20.000 I'm going there to make sure that the issues that I feel passionately about, my whole family as well, does, are going to be addressed and that our Pennsylvania values are reflected in Washington.

00:08:29.000 And I've already told everybody, there's no way I'm serving more than two terms.

00:08:32.000 I'll term limit myself. 1.00

00:08:34.000 My wife might be a what and done person.

00:08:36.000 We'll find out.

00:08:37.000 I've even turned back my salary.

00:08:39.000 I don't want to get paid.

00:08:40.000 I want to go to Washington and repay a debt that my family has.

00:08:43.000 I've done very well in life.

00:08:44.000 I feel blessed by this nation, but if it wasn't for the fertile soil of America, the seeds of our family would never have been able to take root.

00:08:50.000 And I'm going to make sure that we pay back that debt plus some to make sure our country is well taken care of.

00:08:56.000 I don't owe anything to anybody.

00:08:58.000 I can't be bought.

00:08:59.000 I fought some big battles, Charlie, as you know.

00:09:01.000 I've taken on big pharma, big tech, big agronomical companies, taking on the U.S. government.

00:09:05.000 I've got scars to prove it.

00:09:06.000 I got bashed around on my show because I took strong stances for what I thought was important.

00:09:11.000 And I'm not changing now just because I'm going to Washington.

00:09:15.000 Repay a debt your family owes.

00:09:16.000 That's well said.

00:09:18.000 So, so, Dr. Roz, I want to clear up one piece of confusion here.

00:09:22.000 And this is something that I've talked to you about.

00:09:24.000 And it's just in the spirit of trying to get people clarity, which is your position on medical procedures for children using medical mutilation more specifically with trans kids.

00:09:36.000 Let's put this issue to rest.

00:09:37.000 What is your position on this topic?

00:09:40.000 I'm not in favor of minors having these procedures.

00:09:43.000 On my show, which was, as you know, a network television show, for 13 years, the top show in the world on health.

00:09:48.000 You have to have people from all different perspectives come on.

00:09:51.000 But just because a guest talks about a topic doesn't mean that I agree with their position.

00:09:55.000 My job is to give voice, which is what I did.

00:09:58.000 But I've been pretty clear on this issue, and I've been strongly supportive of using science to drive our decisions.

00:10:03.000 Not the perversion of science, not the weaponization of science, but actually what does it say to us?

00:10:10.000 What does it advise for us to do?

00:10:11.000 In the case of transgender issues, it's very much, I believe, supportive of not telling five-year-olds on these topics. 1.00

00:10:19.000 Because why teach algebra to a five-year-old?

00:10:21.000 They're not going to get it.

00:10:22.000 I have similar feelings about energy policy, where we have literally told people the Green New Deal is based on science when it's not.

00:10:29.000 If you actually look at the details of it, there's zero chance they can achieve what they set out to do in the Green New Deal, and they definitely can't do it in the timeline allowed it. 0.69

00:10:38.000 And just one step further, the only way to get close to it right now is to sell America to China, which we're not doing.

00:10:44.000 So let's fix our problems.

00:10:45.000 Let's address the opportunities we have because we've got so much natural gas in Pennsylvania, for example, I can supply the whole country for 200 years.

00:10:52.000 Let's use clean sources of energy while we build up those green sources.

00:10:56.000 And that's, I think, the path forward.

00:10:58.000 It's not one that's harmful to the environment, quite the opposite.

00:11:01.000 If you look at what's happening in California, you get a better perspective.

00:11:04.000 And I'll give you one last example: COVID.

00:11:06.000 That really got me upset because as a physician, I knew this area well.

00:11:09.000 I recognized that we were being lied to.

00:11:12.000 Literally told, for example, that our kids should be sent home from schools because it's too dangerous to open the schools.

00:11:17.000 But other countries kept their schools open.

00:11:19.000 They didn't seem to have a problem.

00:11:20.000 They loved their kids.

00:11:21.000 So these are examples where we have taken science, manipulated it, weaponized it, and hurt the American people.

00:11:27.000 We have to stop that.

00:11:28.000 And as Republicans, we have to engage.

00:11:30.000 Because the most, to me anyway, clarifying vision of the Republican Party was given to me by my father when I was a young boy.

00:11:37.000 I asked him, are we Republicans or Democrats?

00:11:39.000 He's an immigrant, so he didn't have a party.

00:11:41.000 And he said, we're going to be Republicans.

00:11:42.000 So I said, why?

00:11:44.000 Said, because Republicans have better ideas.

00:11:46.000 Let's be the party of better ideas.

00:11:48.000 That's right.

00:11:50.000 The Senate will go the way of the Pennsylvania Senate race.

00:11:53.000 The race is tightening.

00:11:54.000 John Fetterman is raising money like crazy.

00:11:57.000 Let's play a piece of tape here, and then we'll get Dr. Oz's response, Play Cut 71.

00:12:02.000 We have a catastrophic bottleneck in our prisons of over 5,000 men and women condemned to die in prison.

00:12:11.000 And many of them, I believe, personally are deserving of a second chance.

00:12:17.000 Dr. Oz, your response.

00:12:19.000 My problem is when you say draconian things like, I'm going to get a third of the prisoners out, or I don't want to have life sentences anymore for convicted murders.

00:12:30.000 You're taking a lot of largesse.

00:12:33.000 You're claiming a lot of power that should be left to juries and judges.

00:12:38.000 That's why they put these people in jail.

00:12:40.000 I mean, one person that he's released was called the son of the devil. 0.91

00:12:44.000 He accused some of his people, the folks who would testify against him of being liars and then said he was going to kill them.

00:12:52.000 I mean, this is not a kind of person. 0.65

00:12:53.000 He let back out again.

00:12:54.000 He actually said he killed other people besides the person he was convicted of.

00:12:58.000 Now, the problem with John Fetterman is he doesn't deal with the ramifications of these cool statements he makes.

00:13:03.000 He tweets them out, 140 characters, and then he can't stand by and defend them, which is the reason why he's ducking the base.

00:13:10.000 Now, he might, because he claims he's healthy, might just be wisely staying away from me because he knows I'm going to ask you tough questions because that's what we do in campaigns.

00:13:19.000 But he also just might be sick, in which case he's been lying about that.

00:13:22.000 Either way, it's not democratic to avoid entering all questions.

00:13:27.000 And I'm going to make this clear for all listeners out there because you've got a big national audience.

00:13:31.000 This man has not answered a question on the campaign trail.

00:13:34.000 He hasn't campaigned much, by the way.

00:13:36.000 He's maybe spoken less than half an hour total the entire time since we've been in a general election, which has been a couple of months.

00:13:42.000 But he has not answered a single question from a voter.

00:13:45.000 He's not answered a question from the press on the campaign trail.

00:13:47.000 He's not answered a question from me.

00:13:49.000 All he does is bark out little comments, trolling comments that have no benefit to the people of Pennsylvania.

00:13:56.000 I keep asking him, defend those comments about the crime.

00:13:59.000 Defend your comments about why you want to legalize all drugs.

00:14:03.000 While we are in the middle of a fentanyl crisis, with Philadelphia being the hotspot, we have the biggest open-air drug market in the country.

00:14:10.000 And he wants to legalize all drugs, open the border, and let Fenton look across.

00:14:14.000 I mean, please, how does that work?

00:14:15.000 And it expands beyond crime and lawlessness.

00:14:18.000 And the reason that the fraternal order of police endorsed me unanimously was because he's been so toxic on these issues.

00:14:25.000 He undermines police at every level.

00:14:27.000 Besides being rude personally to them, he has been overwhelmingly against them on every issue.

00:14:33.000 When the cops run towards a crisis, he blames them no matter what happens.

00:14:36.000 Not surprisingly, the cops stop running towards the crisis after a while because no one's enforcing the law.

00:14:42.000 So talk just for a second here as our time comes to an end here, Doctor.

00:14:47.000 Kind of the race as he's not campaigning.

00:14:50.000 He's not debating.

00:14:51.000 He's raising tons of money, though.

00:14:54.000 And you're being outspent, but the polls are tightening.

00:14:57.000 Talk about the national implications of this race.

00:14:59.000 You will protect the filibuster.

00:15:01.000 You're going to open up fracking and natural gas.

00:15:04.000 You're obviously a huge no-on-green New Deal.

00:15:06.000 You'll vote for good judges.

00:15:07.000 You'll do oversight of the IRS.

00:15:10.000 Doctor, what is that?

00:15:12.000 Yes, yes.

00:15:13.000 And I know that because we've talked about those things.

00:15:16.000 But talk about how Fetterman is the polar opposite.

00:15:19.000 He'll expand the IRS, Green New Deal.

00:15:21.000 He'll get rid of the filibuster.

00:15:24.000 It's beyond catastrophic, but he's raising tons of money.

00:15:27.000 He's kind of become the darling of Act Blue.

00:15:30.000 Talk about that, Dr. Oz.

00:15:31.000 Well, first, if you're as upset as everybody should be about the fact that the Democratic Party is trying to buy a Senate seat in Pennsylvania, please go to droz.com and support us.

00:15:40.000 We not only have pulled much tighter in the polls, we're going to win this race.

00:15:44.000 The momentum is unquestionably in our favor.

00:15:46.000 We even have liberal media attacking him from hiding, from dodging, from ducking from the debate issue because he can't defend his positions.

00:15:53.000 Even on taxes, where he has argued to increase massively the taxes on the middle-class working person, he personally 67 times didn't pay his taxes.

00:16:03.000 And now he's trying to excuse ACJ.

00:16:05.000 Oh, it steps through the cracks.

00:16:06.000 The issue for the Democratic Party is they're trying to manufacture a candidate. 0.91

00:16:11.000 They know he's a fraud.

00:16:11.000 They don't like him.

00:16:12.000 They didn't want him to be their candidate.

00:16:13.000 They're shocked that he won the primary.

00:16:15.000 But they're trying to protect him because he doesn't go out in the campaign trail.

00:16:19.000 He can't defend his actions and he's a bad candidate.

00:16:22.000 So they're going to, and they have been.

00:16:24.000 It's like selling cereal box.

00:16:26.000 You know, they're just creating this fictional character they're saying is a perfect Democratic candidate.

00:16:31.000 But to your point, he's the darling of the left media.

00:16:34.000 So they protect him at every turn.

00:16:36.000 And when I attack him, they try to respond for him.

00:16:39.000 That doesn't work in democracy.

00:16:40.000 Yeah, well, the people of Hess are being too smart for that.

00:16:42.000 That's right.

00:16:43.000 Just keep the pressure on.

00:16:44.000 This has become a national race.

00:16:46.000 I just want to reiterate this for our audience.

00:16:48.000 If Fetterman wins, you're going to have a much taller Bernie Sanders, and he'll be senator for as long.

00:16:53.000 He's not going to serve a day. 0.98

00:16:54.000 He's a spoiled, rich brat. 0.94

00:16:57.000 And Dr. Oz is putting the pressure on him. 0.94

00:17:00.000 It's very important Pennsylvania race.

00:17:02.000 Dr. Oz, keep campaigning hard.

00:17:04.000 We're behind you and keep the pressure on John.

00:17:06.000 Thanks, my friend.

00:17:06.000 God bless you for the support.

00:17:07.000 Thank you.

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00:18:14.000 He has, like it or not, defined the politics of our age.

00:18:22.000 In 2016 and 2020, he was the political leader most fit to lead in our warlike circumstances.

00:18:34.000 Trump inspired a movement.

00:18:37.000 If properly deployed, this movement might challenge the woke comm and, God willing, save the country.

00:18:47.000 Republicans, however, should not forget that it is his support and the spirit they embrace that have become the life force of the Republican Party.

00:19:03.000 Among the talked about alternatives to Trump, I have not yet seen anyone who possesses or even fully understands Trump's virtue, nor have I seen anyone with his backbone and fortitude.

00:19:20.000 One does not appreciate the strength of relentless gale force winds until one is in the eye of the storm.

00:19:31.000 That there is a speech that I have had emailed me and texted to me more so than anything else in recent memory.

00:19:40.000 It's Tom Klingenstein who argues about Trump's virtues.

00:19:48.000 And he's the chair of the wonderful Claremont Institute, which I benefited from tremendously.

00:19:54.000 In fact, I have another seminar I'm going to be doing with them in January.

00:19:58.000 And he joins us right now.

00:19:59.000 Tom, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:20:01.000 Well, thank you for having me.

00:20:03.000 So what are Trump's virtues?

00:20:05.000 I'm told by the activist media and academia, he's nothing but an irritant and the worst stain on American politics.

00:20:13.000 What are Trump's virtues?

00:20:15.000 You know, before I answer that, you know, your viewers might be interested to learn that he called me last night.

00:20:21.000 He doesn't know me from Adam.

00:20:23.000 He read my speech.

00:20:25.000 He said he read it twice.

00:20:27.000 And he said it in a way that made you think, gee, maybe he doesn't read things twice.

00:20:33.000 But obviously he liked this one.

00:20:36.000 I asked him at some point, what were the two or three things he'd do differently were he elected?

00:20:43.000 And he had a good answer, I think.

00:20:45.000 It was people, people, people.

00:20:49.000 He knew that he had been ill-served.

00:20:52.000 He was asking the wrong people, he said, for personnel advice.

00:20:56.000 And this time, he'd do it differently.

00:20:59.000 Now, as to his virtues, I was at a dinner party not long ago, and you know, the people next to me, Republicans, didn't think he had any virtues.

00:21:11.000 He made America the center of political things.

00:21:16.000 He laid bare the divide in this country.

00:21:20.000 The press says that he caused a divide.

00:21:23.000 No, he revealed a divide.

00:21:25.000 He showed us that we're in a war.

00:21:27.000 He smoked rats out of hiding.

00:21:30.000 He showed us just how corrupt the press and the intelligence agencies are.

00:21:36.000 He's courageous.

00:21:37.000 He's independent.

00:21:38.000 He's fearless.

00:21:40.000 He loves America unreservedly.

00:21:43.000 And at this moment, when we suffer from self-loathing, when our young kids are taught to hate their country, unreserved patriotism is critical.

00:21:57.000 There's one other thing that's important that people don't talk about very much, and that is his absence of white guilt. 0.61

00:22:05.000 White guilt is killing us.

00:22:08.000 White guilt is behind affirmative action and what I call outcome equality. 0.96

00:22:16.000 And he doesn't have it.

00:22:18.000 Unfortunately, most of the Republicans still have a certain amount of white guilt.

00:22:25.000 And that makes them, and that makes it difficult for them to defeat the America is racist narrative.

00:22:34.000 Where does white guilt come from?

00:22:35.000 And why does Trump reject it?

00:22:37.000 He's from New York.

00:22:38.000 I thought that's in the water there.

00:22:40.000 You know, God knows.

00:22:42.000 Why is Trump, you know, who he is?

00:22:45.000 You know, I don't know.

00:22:47.000 Partly, you know, if you come from New York, you come from a very diverse environment, right?

00:22:54.000 In a way, you're more likely to be colorblind.

00:22:56.000 You've grown up with black Americans, et cetera. 0.85

00:23:01.000 No, that's so true.

00:23:02.000 I could say from my own personal experience, I went to a high school that was 53% Hispanic subversive Chicago.

00:23:07.000 I never thought about race very much, and it certainly didn't compel me towards some sort of reparation, affirmative action type driving argument.

00:23:15.000 And I tell you something else.

00:23:17.000 You know, Trump grew up in a time when we thought colorblindness was a virtue.

00:23:24.000 And he's learned that, I think.

00:23:27.000 Now, you talk about courage.

00:23:29.000 Why do you find him to be courageous?

00:23:34.000 Well, you know, he's very comfortable in his own skin.

00:23:37.000 I mean, you know as well as anybody just how much courage it took to stand up against four or five years of unmitigated abuse.

00:23:50.000 You know, people talk about Ron DeSantis, and I like Ron DeSantis as a possible Republican nominee, but we don't know exactly how he would stand up until really he's in the eye of the storm.

00:24:05.000 But I think a lot of it comes down to he's just comfortable who he is, and that allows for courage and independence, as I say.

00:24:14.000 He knows who he is.

00:24:16.000 Now, for a lot of the Republican establishment, they look at nothing but the vices and not the virtues.

00:24:21.000 In fact, I mean, you were just talking about a Republican event where donors say, I can't stand his tone.

00:24:27.000 I don't like the tweets.

00:24:29.000 He's got an ego.

00:24:30.000 He's self-righteous.

00:24:31.000 He cuts corners and all of this.

00:24:33.000 How do you balance any potential criticism with the virtues?

00:24:37.000 The great people that we honor, Abraham Lincoln and Churchill, they also had vices as well.

00:24:42.000 How are we supposed to balance that in how we judge what politician we want to put into office to run the regime?

00:24:51.000 Or maybe another example of somebody that we overlooked his vitups, and that's General Grant, who Lincoln picked because at that moment, he needed one person to fight.

00:25:05.000 Nobody else was willing to fight.

00:25:07.000 And Lincoln didn't care if he was a drunkard.

00:25:10.000 And it was rumored that, you know, Grant had other sort of loose morals, but he was the man for the moment.

00:25:19.000 So I think, you know, most of his vices, I don't really care about.

00:25:24.000 It's one thing if I'm looking for somebody to have dinner with, but it's very different if you want somebody to run a country at just in this moment.

00:25:36.000 As I say, he has virtues that other people don't have.

00:25:40.000 You know, if everybody was like Trump or everybody had his courage and all the rest of it, well, then his vices would matter.

00:25:46.000 But I don't care at all that he's narcissistic.

00:25:49.000 And by the way, having, you know, speaking to a lot of politicians, I don't know that Trump is any more narcissistic than your typical politician.

00:25:59.000 He may expose it more.

00:26:01.000 So in any case, I think the vices are not particularly substantial.

00:26:06.000 Again, because I'm not inviting him to my house.

00:26:09.000 I don't care about almost all the vices.

00:26:13.000 And some of what he does, you know, I really disapprove of, but it doesn't matter at this moment.

00:26:20.000 And that's the message I would want to deliver to your audience and other people who do, I mean, really hate the guy.

00:26:27.000 Well, the choice is Trump or Biden.

00:26:30.000 I don't, you know, I don't care how much you hate the guy.

00:26:33.000 Yeah, but a lot of people don't look at it that way.

00:26:35.000 They say he's not a nice person.

00:26:37.000 He isn't, you know, I want to have someone I can have a beer with.

00:26:41.000 Why should we view politics differently than that?

00:26:43.000 I mean, mean tweets and all of that.

00:26:44.000 Obviously, it's the prudent question versus kind of the personality question, but Americans don't view things that way, but they should.

00:26:54.000 I call Donald Trump the bodyguard of Western civilization.

00:26:57.000 When you hire a bodyguard, you're not exactly interested in his tweet history.

00:27:01.000 You want someone that's going to protect your family against what might be coming near and dear.

00:27:05.000 We're in a moment where the stakes are very, very high.

00:27:09.000 Talk a little bit about how people usually focus more on things that don't matter than actually things that do matter.

00:27:16.000 You know, we're a very moral country, I think.

00:27:19.000 And we don't necessarily think in terms of realpolitik.

00:27:24.000 We don't necessarily think in terms of prudence, right?

00:27:28.000 It's sometimes prudent to favor the in man.

00:27:34.000 And that's an understanding of prudence that I think Americans don't have.

00:27:39.000 And when they look at historical figures, Lincoln Churchill, you know, they see things that they've said that seem objectionable without understanding that they were prudent necessities.

00:27:53.000 Right?

00:27:53.000 When Lincoln said that he didn't want social equality for black Americans, he didn't believe it, but he had to say it.

00:28:02.000 And I think that's not a politics that we Americans are very comfortable with.

00:28:08.000 Do you think some of the action from the Department of Justice and these other government agencies in response?

00:28:14.000 Because deep down, the people that are smart on the left understand how big of a threat he is.

00:28:19.000 And actually, what you would call his virtues, they would say those are his threats to their power.

00:28:25.000 I think exactly right.

00:28:27.000 I mean, I think, you know, I don't have any, you know, profound thoughts on this other than they're out to get him.

00:28:32.000 The question is how far they go.

00:28:35.000 At some point, there's a backlash.

00:28:39.000 I think they're smart enough to avoid it, but I don't know.

00:28:42.000 But I think your point, they fear him.

00:28:45.000 They wouldn't bother to deal with him if they didn't fear him.

00:28:48.000 They fear him and they ought to fear him because he's a threat to their way of life.

00:28:53.000 Then what is the proper response then to their seeming over-politicization of everything?

00:28:59.000 How do we respond to that?

00:29:00.000 How would, if you were giving Trump advice or wisdom or counsel, how should he respond?

00:29:06.000 Well, give me an example.

00:29:07.000 Well, I mean, they raid his home.

00:29:08.000 They're seemingly going to potentially indict him on all these different things.

00:29:12.000 He's under five different investigations.

00:29:13.000 You have all this different stuff going on.

00:29:15.000 Let's say they do indictment, indict him.

00:29:18.000 How would Trump possibly respond?

00:29:21.000 Well, he's got to defend himself.

00:29:22.000 He's got to do exactly what he's doing now, using this as an example of government overreach.

00:29:31.000 I mean, this is what he's good at, it seems to me, is calling attention to these kinds of abuses.

00:29:37.000 But I don't know what else he can do.

00:29:40.000 Potentially run for office.

00:29:42.000 We shall see.

00:29:43.000 Right.

00:29:44.000 Yes, I think, you know, I mean, you don't have any doubt that he's going to run for office.

00:29:51.000 I asked him, and he gave his standard speech or standard response was: you're going to like my answer.

00:30:00.000 And then he asked me, Should I announce before or after the midterms?

00:30:06.000 I said, you know, that's your department.

00:30:08.000 I don't know about that.

00:30:09.000 But there can't be any doubt, can there?

00:30:12.000 I have been asked the same question as well.

00:30:15.000 Amazing speech.

00:30:16.000 It is.

00:30:17.000 And also, winning the Cold Civil War is also another great speech as well.

00:30:20.000 But Trump's Virtues by Tom Klingenstein is just terrific.

00:30:27.000 Uncle Tom 2 is an eye-opening documentary everyone in America should see.

00:30:31.000 Charlie Kirk here.

00:30:32.000 Uncle Tom 2 offers a compelling and brave analysis of the true history of Black America.

00:30:37.000 It talks about the cultural shift from prosperity, integrity, and faith to its current perceived state of anger, discontent, and victimhood.

00:30:46.000 Uncle Tom 2 offers historical footage, photos, correspondence, and data to reveal the genuine strides of black America in the 20th century, the deliberate Marxist strategy to create racial tension and replace God with government, the NAACP's sinister agenda, the truth behind Black Lives Matter, and more.

00:31:03.000 Don't miss Uncle Tom 2 from executive producer Larry Elder and director Justin Malone.

00:31:08.000 With Brandon Tatum, Vodie Bockham, and Chad O'Jackson, watch the movie on demand and buy the DVD now at SalemNow.com.

00:31:14.000 That's salemnow.com.

00:31:16.000 Salemnow.com.

00:31:16.000 Check it out.

00:31:22.000 Bonnie said, Charlie, I just love this guest.

00:31:25.000 I've had the same argument about Trump, but he articulates it better than me.

00:31:28.000 Tom is amazing.

00:31:29.000 Have him on again, please.

00:31:31.000 Question your Trump's virtues.

00:31:32.000 Charlie, I think Trump's virtues are he loves the United States of America.

00:31:35.000 It drives nearly everything he's done politically.

00:31:37.000 If you can find out what motivates a man, you could pretty good idea of a character.

00:31:41.000 That's very true.

00:31:43.000 You've been reading your classics.

00:31:44.000 Also, he's smart, thoughtful, bold, and unafraid.

00:31:46.000 He's a great speaker and motivator, and he embraces technology.

00:31:49.000 That's off the top of my head.

00:31:50.000 There are probably more.

00:31:51.000 Dawn, emailed us, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:31:53.000 She's a loyal listener.

00:31:54.000 Thank you.

00:31:55.000 He's very honest.

00:31:56.000 And I will say another thing that I deeply respect about him.

00:31:59.000 He works.

00:32:00.000 I'll tell you what.

00:32:01.000 The guy puts in the hours.

00:32:03.000 Remember, they used to attack Donald Trump for golfing too much and for going on vacation.

00:32:09.000 And now Joe Biden, I think, has been on vacation a majority of his entire presidency.

00:32:15.000 Someone said here, freedom at charliekirk.com, Charlie, Tom should be in the next cabinet of Trump 2.0.

00:32:22.000 Hard to disagree.

00:32:24.000 Tom, let me ask you: you've talked about a cold civil war, and we talked about that the last time you were on the show.

00:32:29.000 Did this Cold Civil War just get hot with all of the raids, the indictments, the subpoenas, or are we still in that cold portion?

00:32:37.000 I think it's still cold.

00:32:39.000 Maybe it's closer to hot.

00:32:41.000 And it may be, if you're cynical, that part of the rationale for the raid was to incite the right, right?

00:32:50.000 The left, when I'm calling the woke comms, are looking for reasons to oppress, particularly white males, right? 0.97

00:32:59.000 The whole argument is America is systemically racist, about to be overrun by white supremacists.

00:33:07.000 And if the right were to take to the street, that would help confirm the woke comm narrative.

00:33:15.000 I don't think we're there yet, but I think we're getting closer.

00:33:19.000 Why is it that people?

00:33:22.000 Let me rephrase that.

00:33:22.000 So you talk about the war on white men.

00:33:26.000 Why is there fixation on white men so much?

00:33:29.000 And why we're not even allowed to talk about this out loud, but obviously we're comfortable doing so.

00:33:33.000 Why are they so focused on that?

00:33:34.000 The woke comms.

00:33:37.000 Well, because their whole thesis, they need to find a scapegoat.

00:33:43.000 They need to find some group that explains why black Americans are not performing as well in many areas of human life. 1.00

00:33:55.000 They need a scapegoat. 0.88

00:33:57.000 Totalitarian regimes always need a scapegoat. 0.97

00:34:02.000 They vilify the scapegoat and then terrorize it.

00:34:07.000 And, you know, white males serve that purpose today. 0.71

00:34:11.000 Unfortunately, I think you're right.

00:34:13.000 So let me close by saying this: which is outside of Trump running, what can an everyday person do to counter this totalitarian regime, to feel empowered and to do something meaningful?

00:34:28.000 What's the most important, kind of most operative action they can take?

00:34:34.000 They have to resist it.

00:34:35.000 When they're called a racist, they have to stand up to it.

00:34:41.000 You know, some people don't want to work, let's say, for Trump's new social media platform because they feel that they're blacklisted.

00:34:49.000 Well, that's the kind of thing that they have to do.

00:34:53.000 They can't, as Solson Eatson said, live by lies.

00:34:58.000 So, in their small ways, and they're small ways, but they're important ways.

00:35:02.000 They have to stand up to what they believe.

00:35:05.000 They cannot accept this narrative that America is systemically racist.

00:35:11.000 When they hear it, they have to rebut it.

00:35:13.000 And they have to be willing, and it's not easy, to withstand the charge of racism.

00:35:20.000 Well said.

00:35:20.000 Tom Klingenstein, we are going to post your stuff on charliekirk.com.

00:35:25.000 Trump's virtues and also winning the Cold Civil War.

00:35:27.000 I hope to meet you sometime soon.

00:35:29.000 Thank you so much.

00:35:30.000 Charlie, thank you very much.

00:35:31.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:33.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:35.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:35:37.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 14, 2022

Dr. Oz Condemns 'Medical Transition of Minors' with Dr. Mehet Oz and Thomas Klingenstein

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