00:00:14.000And then later in the program, what are Trump's virtues?
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00:03:00.000At the time, the United States government was very wisely looking for top graduates, in his case, from medical school, and they recruited him to come to this country.
00:03:08.000And when he landed on these shores, he thought, this is unbelievable.
00:03:11.000The American dream is real and uniquely real in the United States.
00:03:16.000So he knew if he worked hard, if he served his fellow American, if he served America, he would become an American.
00:03:22.000And that's the American dream that I grew up believing as well, which is why every single day of my life, I've worked as hard as I can.
00:03:28.000I thought it was an obligation, but also a gift from this great country.
00:03:30.000And I'm running in part to make sure that that American dream stays untarnished as it's passed from generation to generation.
00:03:37.000But you and I both notice, and many listeners as well, and I am optimistic as you highlight.
00:03:41.000Keep your head up because there's so much good going out there and so much awakening that's happening.
00:03:46.000But there are members of the radical left fringe of the Democratic Party, it's not even most Democrats, who don't believe in the American dream.
00:03:53.000And they have waged an all-out war on the fundamental assumptions that I always thought were the common beliefs of most Americans.
00:04:01.000And that's the big battle that we're waging.
00:04:03.000And the poster child for a lot of that far-left radical thinking is my opponent in this race, John Fetterman.
00:04:10.000Yeah, I mean, Fetterman is so, he's such a fake, and it's so insulting.
00:04:16.000You know, something that strikes me, and I want to compliment you for this, is, you know, when you go to central Pennsylvania, you know, you dress like a surgeon because you are who you are.
00:05:00.000My hope is there's a political will to abolish death by incarceration for second-degree murder here in Pennsylvania because it's a tragedy.
00:05:15.000You know, he was asked if you could wave a wand and get whatever you wanted for the people of Pennsylvania and for the country, what would you wish?
00:05:22.000And he wanted to get rid of life imprisonment.
00:05:24.000And I'm thinking, there's a lot of big problems out there.
00:05:27.000If I could fix any one thing, that would not be top of mind for me because it highlights what John Fetterman continues to portray, which is he cares more about the criminals than the innocent.
00:05:38.000We have the highest, highest murder rates of our history in Philadelphia.
00:05:43.000And John Fetterman is making comments that you just heard, once he released one-third of all prisoners.
00:05:47.000He's actually argued with other parole board members over releasing convicted murderers who were in life or prison for a reason that the judge and the jury at the time thought was appropriate.
00:05:57.000And when he gets them out, he's celebrating.
00:05:59.000He hired a couple onto his campaign staff.
00:06:01.000And I made the argument that I want my campaign staff to reflect the people and values of Pennsylvania.
00:06:06.000I don't think that's middle of the road.
00:06:08.000And those kinds of positions bother not just folks living in the, you know, in the city of Philadelphia, but the suburban areas, people wondering what's going on here.
00:06:18.000And it highlights a bigger issue, which is John Fetterman thinks he's above other people and above the law.
00:06:24.000That's why he takes draconian positions, but he doesn't enforce them for himself.
00:06:29.000I want everyone in our national audience to understand John Fetterman is more dangerous than Bernie Sanders.
00:06:34.000He is a caricature that is right out of Hollywood, and they think so low of the average Pennsylvanian.
00:06:42.000They think that if you just kind of dress as if you're some sort of middle American guy, he has no, like the tattoos and the shorts, it's all a fraud.
00:06:50.000So, Dr. Oz, we need to get the MAGA base unified and consolidated.
00:06:56.000And I say on this program quite often that I think Republicans at times go to D.C. and do one thing after saying another.
00:07:03.000The base is very upset kind of broadly with that kind of pattern of behavior.
00:07:09.000So many politicians talk a good game and then they just turn around.
00:07:13.000Can you speak to that for a little bit and give confidence to especially Trump voters in Pennsylvania that you'll be a strong vote in the U.S. Senate?
00:07:21.000Charlie, thank you for all along at least hearing my perspectives and giving me some really helpful advice along these lines.
00:07:34.000I mean, the reason I'm running for the United States Senate is because I'm so upset, so concerned over the fate of our nation.
00:07:41.000And I articulated very clearly, and I have done it every single day of our campaign, why I'm running.
00:07:46.000To protect our American family values, to make sure that our kids are where they need to be, both in educational values, but also the content that they're learning.
00:07:55.000I have strong sentiments about the need for us to have safe city streets.
00:07:58.000It's why the Paternal Order of Police have endorsed me.
00:08:00.000I've expressed my positions on the Second Amendment.
00:08:11.000You know, you improve yourself as you go along.
00:08:13.000There is no point in me giving up the life that I had to run for office, to go to Washington, just so I can go along and get along.
00:08:20.000I'm going there to make sure that the issues that I feel passionately about, my whole family as well, does, are going to be addressed and that our Pennsylvania values are reflected in Washington.
00:08:29.000And I've already told everybody, there's no way I'm serving more than two terms.
00:08:44.000I feel blessed by this nation, but if it wasn't for the fertile soil of America, the seeds of our family would never have been able to take root.
00:08:50.000And I'm going to make sure that we pay back that debt plus some to make sure our country is well taken care of.
00:09:18.000So, so, Dr. Roz, I want to clear up one piece of confusion here.
00:09:22.000And this is something that I've talked to you about.
00:09:24.000And it's just in the spirit of trying to get people clarity, which is your position on medical procedures for children using medical mutilation more specifically with trans kids.
00:10:22.000I have similar feelings about energy policy, where we have literally told people the Green New Deal is based on science when it's not.
00:10:29.000If you actually look at the details of it, there's zero chance they can achieve what they set out to do in the Green New Deal, and they definitely can't do it in the timeline allowed it.
00:10:38.000And just one step further, the only way to get close to it right now is to sell America to China, which we're not doing.
00:10:45.000Let's address the opportunities we have because we've got so much natural gas in Pennsylvania, for example, I can supply the whole country for 200 years.
00:10:52.000Let's use clean sources of energy while we build up those green sources.
00:10:56.000And that's, I think, the path forward.
00:10:58.000It's not one that's harmful to the environment, quite the opposite.
00:11:01.000If you look at what's happening in California, you get a better perspective.
00:11:04.000And I'll give you one last example: COVID.
00:11:06.000That really got me upset because as a physician, I knew this area well.
00:11:09.000I recognized that we were being lied to.
00:11:12.000Literally told, for example, that our kids should be sent home from schools because it's too dangerous to open the schools.
00:11:17.000But other countries kept their schools open.
00:12:19.000My problem is when you say draconian things like, I'm going to get a third of the prisoners out, or I don't want to have life sentences anymore for convicted murders.
00:12:54.000He actually said he killed other people besides the person he was convicted of.
00:12:58.000Now, the problem with John Fetterman is he doesn't deal with the ramifications of these cool statements he makes.
00:13:03.000He tweets them out, 140 characters, and then he can't stand by and defend them, which is the reason why he's ducking the base.
00:13:10.000Now, he might, because he claims he's healthy, might just be wisely staying away from me because he knows I'm going to ask you tough questions because that's what we do in campaigns.
00:13:19.000But he also just might be sick, in which case he's been lying about that.
00:13:22.000Either way, it's not democratic to avoid entering all questions.
00:13:27.000And I'm going to make this clear for all listeners out there because you've got a big national audience.
00:13:31.000This man has not answered a question on the campaign trail.
00:13:34.000He hasn't campaigned much, by the way.
00:13:36.000He's maybe spoken less than half an hour total the entire time since we've been in a general election, which has been a couple of months.
00:13:42.000But he has not answered a single question from a voter.
00:13:45.000He's not answered a question from the press on the campaign trail.
00:13:49.000All he does is bark out little comments, trolling comments that have no benefit to the people of Pennsylvania.
00:13:56.000I keep asking him, defend those comments about the crime.
00:13:59.000Defend your comments about why you want to legalize all drugs.
00:14:03.000While we are in the middle of a fentanyl crisis, with Philadelphia being the hotspot, we have the biggest open-air drug market in the country.
00:14:10.000And he wants to legalize all drugs, open the border, and let Fenton look across.
00:15:31.000Well, first, if you're as upset as everybody should be about the fact that the Democratic Party is trying to buy a Senate seat in Pennsylvania, please go to droz.com and support us.
00:15:40.000We not only have pulled much tighter in the polls, we're going to win this race.
00:15:44.000The momentum is unquestionably in our favor.
00:15:46.000We even have liberal media attacking him from hiding, from dodging, from ducking from the debate issue because he can't defend his positions.
00:15:53.000Even on taxes, where he has argued to increase massively the taxes on the middle-class working person, he personally 67 times didn't pay his taxes.
00:17:11.000If you want to know what the left's real plan is for your kids, just look at how they react to the wonderful company of Patriot Mobile.
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00:18:37.000If properly deployed, this movement might challenge the woke comm and, God willing, save the country.
00:18:47.000Republicans, however, should not forget that it is his support and the spirit they embrace that have become the life force of the Republican Party.
00:19:03.000Among the talked about alternatives to Trump, I have not yet seen anyone who possesses or even fully understands Trump's virtue, nor have I seen anyone with his backbone and fortitude.
00:19:20.000One does not appreciate the strength of relentless gale force winds until one is in the eye of the storm.
00:19:31.000That there is a speech that I have had emailed me and texted to me more so than anything else in recent memory.
00:19:40.000It's Tom Klingenstein who argues about Trump's virtues.
00:19:48.000And he's the chair of the wonderful Claremont Institute, which I benefited from tremendously.
00:19:54.000In fact, I have another seminar I'm going to be doing with them in January.
00:20:52.000He was asking the wrong people, he said, for personnel advice.
00:20:56.000And this time, he'd do it differently.
00:20:59.000Now, as to his virtues, I was at a dinner party not long ago, and you know, the people next to me, Republicans, didn't think he had any virtues.
00:21:11.000He made America the center of political things.
00:21:16.000He laid bare the divide in this country.
00:21:20.000The press says that he caused a divide.
00:21:43.000And at this moment, when we suffer from self-loathing, when our young kids are taught to hate their country, unreserved patriotism is critical.
00:21:57.000There's one other thing that's important that people don't talk about very much, and that is his absence of white guilt.
00:23:02.000I could say from my own personal experience, I went to a high school that was 53% Hispanic subversive Chicago.
00:23:07.000I never thought about race very much, and it certainly didn't compel me towards some sort of reparation, affirmative action type driving argument.
00:23:34.000Well, you know, he's very comfortable in his own skin.
00:23:37.000I mean, you know as well as anybody just how much courage it took to stand up against four or five years of unmitigated abuse.
00:23:50.000You know, people talk about Ron DeSantis, and I like Ron DeSantis as a possible Republican nominee, but we don't know exactly how he would stand up until really he's in the eye of the storm.
00:24:05.000But I think a lot of it comes down to he's just comfortable who he is, and that allows for courage and independence, as I say.
00:24:33.000How do you balance any potential criticism with the virtues?
00:24:37.000The great people that we honor, Abraham Lincoln and Churchill, they also had vices as well.
00:24:42.000How are we supposed to balance that in how we judge what politician we want to put into office to run the regime?
00:24:51.000Or maybe another example of somebody that we overlooked his vitups, and that's General Grant, who Lincoln picked because at that moment, he needed one person to fight.
00:25:07.000And Lincoln didn't care if he was a drunkard.
00:25:10.000And it was rumored that, you know, Grant had other sort of loose morals, but he was the man for the moment.
00:25:19.000So I think, you know, most of his vices, I don't really care about.
00:25:24.000It's one thing if I'm looking for somebody to have dinner with, but it's very different if you want somebody to run a country at just in this moment.
00:25:36.000As I say, he has virtues that other people don't have.
00:25:40.000You know, if everybody was like Trump or everybody had his courage and all the rest of it, well, then his vices would matter.
00:25:46.000But I don't care at all that he's narcissistic.
00:25:49.000And by the way, having, you know, speaking to a lot of politicians, I don't know that Trump is any more narcissistic than your typical politician.
00:26:44.000Obviously, it's the prudent question versus kind of the personality question, but Americans don't view things that way, but they should.
00:26:54.000I call Donald Trump the bodyguard of Western civilization.
00:26:57.000When you hire a bodyguard, you're not exactly interested in his tweet history.
00:27:01.000You want someone that's going to protect your family against what might be coming near and dear.
00:27:05.000We're in a moment where the stakes are very, very high.
00:27:09.000Talk a little bit about how people usually focus more on things that don't matter than actually things that do matter.
00:27:16.000You know, we're a very moral country, I think.
00:27:19.000And we don't necessarily think in terms of realpolitik.
00:27:24.000We don't necessarily think in terms of prudence, right?
00:27:28.000It's sometimes prudent to favor the in man.
00:27:34.000And that's an understanding of prudence that I think Americans don't have.
00:27:39.000And when they look at historical figures, Lincoln Churchill, you know, they see things that they've said that seem objectionable without understanding that they were prudent necessities.
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00:34:13.000So let me close by saying this: which is outside of Trump running, what can an everyday person do to counter this totalitarian regime, to feel empowered and to do something meaningful?
00:34:28.000What's the most important, kind of most operative action they can take?