00:00:18.000Ayahuasca is the closest thing to what the Bible would call to be pharmakia.
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00:02:47.000So let me ask the question, what time is it and how should we?
00:02:52.000How should, how should we respond to our leaders unable to answer that question?
00:02:58.000Well, I mean, what time it is is the surprise.
00:03:02.000You know, Ben Shapiro did a thing with Jeremy Boring Uh, with their at their UM event the other night where they said nobody thought Roe Versus Wade would ever be overturned.
00:03:10.000I would have bet Anything, anything that it never would have been overturned.
00:03:15.000And I don't mean that in a negative way, just predictively.
00:03:18.000Nobody ever thought this would happen.
00:03:35.000And it just shows the power of people never giving up, right?
00:03:40.000That really is the lesson that I took from this is, because if you'd asked me, hey, lead the charge against Roe versus Wade, I would say, well, I've, that's just not going to happen.
00:04:07.000You have to keep demanding that the judges, you know, the judicial appointments matter.
00:04:12.000So that really is a lesson that you can't ever give up on anything in life.
00:04:16.000Not that we didn't know this, but even I consider myself a relatively smart guy.
00:04:20.000And I didn't think this would ever happen, this day would ever happen.
00:04:23.000So score one for the people who never quit and kept doing the March for Lives every year, kept hounding their senators and Congress members to vote for the right people and to make sure this happened.
00:04:35.000And it was a relentless campaign over many decades and a spiritual one as well.
00:04:40.000So Mike, what do you have to say to some Republicans that are still kind of very focused on, let's just say, non-controversial issues, corporate taxes, regulatory reform?
00:04:50.000Isn't a lesson post-Roe versus Wade being overturned?
00:04:53.000Now's the time for us to think big, to go for the impossible.
00:04:58.000I mean, the conventional orthodoxy is that you're right.
00:05:08.000What is the, what should the ethos of the conservative movement be then?
00:05:12.000Well, the big movement here culturally is that the Christians within the conservative movement were always looked down upon by, you know, real Republicans.
00:05:22.000They never really liked the Christians.
00:05:32.000He was, I believe, a Supreme Court clerk.
00:05:34.000He's traveled in both of those worlds, right?
00:05:36.000And he realized how looked down upon Christians are amongst all of these big business chamber of commerce, so-called conservatives.
00:05:46.000So the lesson here is that the real Christians don't need the Chamber of Commerce people, right?
00:05:51.000You have to make an adjustment now of who has the power.
00:05:56.000And I say that not as a negative way to abuse power, but you have to look at who actually matters and who doesn't.
00:06:02.000And these people who think that elections are about whether or not the marginal tax rate is going to be 18% or 15%, you're along to the ride with these other people.
00:06:13.000You're not the ones dictating the agenda anymore.
00:06:15.000So I think what you have to do here is you have to press the advantage hard and you have to remind these people: look, we did all this without you.
00:06:22.000We all remember the 2016 election and the betrayal.
00:06:36.000And that's still, that's the lesson here is you have to remind people now by you, I mean, people like you who are still in the game.
00:06:42.000I'm not really, I'm, you know, focused on other things in my life right now.
00:06:45.000I don't consider myself much of a relevant player, if at all, but folks like you and the kind of people who watch these shows, you have to go say, look, look, look, we're not the orphan here, the stepchild who's being abused by you anymore.
00:07:37.000Yeah, well, what's missing is that any lawyer will tell you this.
00:07:41.000In any kind of case like this, Ghelane Maxwell would have got five years and she would have given up names, right?
00:07:47.000The way that these cases ordinarily work is you have someone like her and you say, okay, you can expose 50 people, 100 people, a large number of people.
00:07:56.000We'll give you five years, maybe give you witness protection.
00:07:59.000That's the way it should have been done, right?
00:08:01.000Sammy the Bull Gravano was put in witness protection program for his testimony in exchange to bring down John Gotti and other members of the mob.
00:08:11.000Sammy the Bull had killed dozens of people.
00:08:13.000Nobody knows for sure, but it was a large number of people.
00:08:15.000So the government will take an actual murderer, someone who's murdered tens, hundreds of people, and say, look, we'll put you in witness protection, but you have to give up the names of everybody higher up in the food chain.
00:08:45.000The St. James Island, that wasn't done until weeks later.
00:08:48.000The Florida property wasn't done until weeks later until people could have gone there and gotten rid of any kind of incriminating evidence.
00:08:54.000So this is a fundamental case of look for what didn't happen.
00:09:36.000Why is it that the women that did the press conference afterwards, they said, this is not justice, she should die in prison.
00:09:41.000Did anyone, and I'm not that in the weeds in this, did anyone ask those women who else was on the island?
00:09:46.000I mean, that's a question that I haven't really seen flushed out.
00:09:50.000Yeah, but there was deposition testimony where Virginia Roberts had said Bill Clinton had been to the island multiple times, and that came out.
00:09:56.000Bill Clinton still gave a speech at the DNC.
00:09:59.000I mean, my God, you get canceled for tweets these days.
00:10:01.000But if you're in sworn testimony is being identified as a guest of Epstein's island, then you can go speak at the DNC the very next week and nothing really is going to happen.
00:10:11.000So that I think Daryl, I mean, if I were them, would I be afraid?
00:11:04.000Nobody wants to know, but Steve Bannon, you know, they come after him because of a we build the wall thing in the SDNY, which nobody in New York was donating to that anyway.
00:11:13.000So it's like, so wait a minute, if you're doing events, and Bannon was doing events because I've seen them, he was doing events.
00:11:20.000And they're like, well, no, but you had a bank account in New York.
00:11:23.000So therefore, that's jurisdiction for us to go after you for something in El Paso, Texas.
00:11:28.000But we're not going to, SDNY isn't going to look into Epstein's brokerage's accounts and banks.
00:11:33.000Or yeah, at a place in downtown Manhattan.
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00:12:51.000So, Mike, something I always appreciate about your commentary is that you're equally critical of the right and the left because you're not really in the game, as you say.
00:12:58.000But I'm going to ask you to kind of help make sense of something for me that I can't quite understand.
00:13:03.000What is the Democrat strategy heading into the midterms?
00:13:13.000Well, they're having their own neo-Bolshevik civil war where the purges are happening within the party.
00:13:20.000That's exactly they're afraid of their own far left flank than they are of winning the elections.
00:13:26.000And that's a very big mistake that they're making right now is they're allowing themselves to be pulled to the far left and they're looking at really disastrous outcomes for the midterm election.
00:13:37.000Whereas, because the issues, if you look at it, I'll text you this.
00:13:41.000There's a guy, I follow a lot of, as you, as you know, wide variety accounts.
00:13:45.000I follow a lot of just what I call like normie, politically adjacent people, because I think that's the best way to get your finger on the pulse.
00:13:52.000Is okay, here's a guy who 90% of his stuff isn't political, and then occasionally a political thing will come up.
00:13:58.000And he did a poll saying, you know, what issue matters most to you right now?
00:14:02.000And he listed guns, abortion, inflation, and gas prices.
00:14:06.000And, you know, inflation and gas prices were the number two things.
00:14:10.000Now, for us, we're like, well, that's obvious, but we don't ever want to suffer from confirmation bias, right?
00:14:15.000We don't want to just think, well, you know, Mike Cernovitch says that this matters most of all.
00:14:19.000Well, sure, but I could be up my own in my own silo, right?
00:14:23.000We always want to see what people are, take the temperature of other people.
00:14:26.000And it should be nothing but inflation should be talked about.
00:14:30.000It should be nothing but gas prices should be talked about if you're a Democrat.
00:14:33.000But they can't do that because their far left is in a full revolt over, you know, Roe versus Wade.
00:14:40.000The protests were actually totally subdued.
00:14:42.000Everything that we were told was going to happen didn't really happen.
00:14:47.000They use every protest as an opportunity to commit crimes, but these protests were mild.
00:14:52.000They're pretty much over at this point.
00:14:55.000So if I were advising Democrats, they wouldn't listen to me.
00:14:59.000I would say you people are being destroyed by your feral far left-wing lunatics.
00:15:04.000And that's a huge mistake going into the midterm elections.
00:15:07.000And they're even trying to, you know, CNN is trying to badger Senema and Manchin to do in the filibuster, thinking, wait, so you want to abolish the filibuster right before the most consequential midterm election since 2010 when Republicans are about to take control.
00:15:24.000Didn't you learn anything from Harry Reid abolishing the filibuster?
00:15:47.000Do you think there's anything to the point where the seat of the equivalent benefit for them will be they can now have a reason and excuse to get rid of Biden to put him out to pasture?
00:17:08.000So for me, my biggest fear right now, and I think it's shared by a lot of people, is here's what Republicans, here's what the Republican leadership is going to say.
00:17:18.000They're going to say, Cernovich, you know, here you are telling us that the Democrats need to focus on inflation and the Democrats need to focus on gas prices.
00:17:27.000So then when we take the majority, how come you're going to tell us to investigate Garland for terrorizing people?
00:17:33.000How come you're going to tell us to reform the FBI?
00:17:37.000The Democrats need to focus on economic issues.
00:17:40.000And my response, because I always think about what are people going to argue, you know, like what would be the strongest argument against my point of view?
00:17:47.000And my answer to that is: if you don't reform the FBI when you have the opportunity, there's not going to be any 2024 election because they're just going to keep indicting politics.
00:17:58.000They're going to make everybody terrified to work for Republican.
00:18:01.000Look what they're doing to lawyers, Jeffrey Clark.
00:18:03.000So they're just scalping people one by one.
00:18:05.000So you don't have, you don't have anybody, right?
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00:19:19.000Yeah, and I'm in the same position where I definitely don't endorse it, especially, you know, don't want to seem like I'm encouraging a Christian audience to look into this stuff.
00:19:29.000But for me, it was, you know, an exploration that began maybe 15 years ago.
00:19:35.000And the experiences that I've had, and, you know, subject to the caveat that a lot of people will say this is a deceptive experience and that you have to be careful with what you see.
00:19:46.000And that's where some of the bad stories come from, because you do encounter a lot of both sides, right?
00:19:54.000Everybody talks about the plus side, but then people don't really talk about the deception that people are opening to it, that they're susceptible to.
00:20:02.000But for me, it certainly opened up my eyes to true knowledge that there is a spiritual world and we are going to be held into account.
00:20:13.000And I don't want to proselyte any particular religion, but we're going to be accountable for what we do.
00:20:19.000And what we do here that could be perfectly legal, could be perfectly ethical within the confines of the American system and American values might not be seen that way on the other end.
00:20:33.000And we're definitely held to a higher standard, I think, than I ever thought.
00:20:36.000So it's given me a lot of those realizations and it's given me a lot of just deeper psychological insight into what I really valued, what I was afraid of losing.
00:20:49.000Things that I thought I was afraid of losing are not necessarily what I was really afraid of losing.
00:20:55.000So it really forces you to confront yourself and what you've been running from and what you've been hiding from.
00:21:01.000So just so our audience knows, Ayuasuka is a plant-based psychedelic.
00:21:05.000That's probably the best way to describe it.
00:21:08.000It's usually indigenous near the Amazon basin.
00:21:10.000And just to give the Christian disclaimer, it is what I believe is described in the New Testament as pharmakia.
00:21:17.000But I'm interested, Mike, where did you go to do it?
00:21:20.000And tell us just kind of intimately of your experience through it, because your conclusion of there being a spiritual dimension, I think, is actually rather fruitful, especially for some of the secular humanists that I'm always fighting against.
00:21:33.000And I said the same thing when I talked with Alex about it is a New Testament view would consider it sorcery or pharmakea would consider it a grave sin.
00:21:43.000And that's why I definitely would not want to lead anyone astray in terms of what they would think.
00:21:48.000So to be clear, I'm certainly not advocating for other people.
00:21:50.000I'm just explaining what I've done and what I encountered.
00:21:54.000And yeah, some people call it a plant medicine.
00:21:57.000A lot of veterans have begun using it.
00:22:00.000A lot of people with PTSD, a lot of people who have maybe had alcohol problems, opioids.
00:22:05.000And there's a whole new school of that opening up where you have ibogaine is what a lot of people, veterans use, especially Navy SEALs.
00:22:16.000There are other people have found different plant substances, and it's a really complicated subject spiritually, but the process itself is really quite strange.
00:22:27.000And I'll try to explain it as best I can.
00:22:29.000So, you know, you're, in my case, it was in South Africa and you're, you know, you're given like this little cup.
00:22:36.000It's like, imagine you brew a double shot of espresso and you leave that out for two days and then it bottoms up.
00:22:43.000It's the most disgusting thing that I've ever drank in my life.
00:22:48.000And you take the shot and then you just sit there and immediately think, What did I just do?
00:22:53.000I think this is maybe I just made a huge mistake, but by then it's a little too late.
00:22:59.000And you're just sitting, you're just sitting there, and then they call it blasting off.
00:23:03.000The next thing you know, you are in a dimension that one feels more familiar and more real than this world.
00:23:11.000That's why it's strange when it's called a hallucinogen, because wherever the spirit world is, is where we came from.
00:23:20.000And the spirit world is more real than this world.
00:23:22.000This world starts to feel like the hallucination because we're, because the spiritual being, once the soul is roaming free, you realize, okay, we are really a soul and we overemphasize the body maybe too much.
00:23:35.000We overemphasize this world maybe a little too much.
00:23:37.000So you feel like a lot of people say, like, you feel like you're home.
00:23:40.000You feel like you're where you're where it kind of like all began.
00:23:45.000And then you alternate through different situations.
00:23:48.000So, for example, I went through an experience where I was, it could be very beautiful for a moment, right?
00:23:55.000I was in a very beautiful situation where I was looking at something that I thought was important in my life.
00:24:03.000And then as you're going through this, because again, it feels more real than this world, things start to be taken from you.
00:24:09.000So, for example, like, you know, I have a podcast or books or whatever the case is, and I think this is really what I value.
00:24:15.000And then you wake up and you're a new person and you don't have any of those things.
00:24:20.000And you kind of shrug your shoulder, like, oh, okay, that never really bothered me before.
00:24:23.000But then you think about, oh man, like my parents are really poor.
00:24:48.000You know, no drinking, no domestic abuse maybe that other people have had in homes where people drank.
00:24:55.000And I thought, wow, what a, how hard must it have been for my dad to just work in factories to try to support a family and knowing he had all this pressure on him to raise a family?
00:26:48.000And that opened my world up to a belief in God and then into other spiritual explorations and finding out that a lot of what's taught or what was taught to me was a very harsh version of Christianity.
00:27:01.000And that, you know, true Christianity is breathing into the heart.
00:27:26.000I've met people where it really messed them up, but there is a transformational aspect to it, which is, you know, why the scriptures warn against kind of pharmakea and going into those dimensions.
00:27:35.000But I do want to ask you, though, Mike, you know, you're in this fight for quite some time, and now you know certain that there is a spiritual dimension, which I completely and totally agree.
00:27:44.000How do you think that spiritual dimension manifests itself in politics or in culture, if at all?
00:27:49.000Well, once your eyes have been opened a little bit, or in my case, you know, my eyes have been open a little bit, you see things.
00:27:56.000You learn the number one thing I learned intellectually is that the timeline the demons are on is not on the timeline that we're on.
00:28:41.000And I thought they are on a different timeline than we are.
00:28:43.000And then, of course, as I was reading more of the Orthodoxy and the church fathers, they, you know, they say, well, because I was raised in the church where you talked about demons, but not in the way that I found a lot of the Orthodox church fathers talk about, where they say, well, of course, demons, they've lived for tens of thousands of years.
00:29:02.000And you think you're as smart as a human, but you have nothing compared to them.
00:29:06.000And then, of course, angels are another story themselves.
00:29:09.000So for me, I realized that it's a struggle, you know, every day.
00:29:27.000Yeah, that's the best way to intellectualize it, which is, oh, you and your, you know, you and your friends are quibbling about money or quibbling about business or quibbling about ego.
00:29:36.000Well, a lot of that's just demons whispering things into other people's ears.
00:29:39.000Well, but Charlie doesn't do enough for you, or this person doesn't do enough for you, Charlie.
00:29:47.000It's not always they come in and terrify you, right?
00:29:50.000That was the usual view: they come and they scare you, but that won't work for a lot of people because some people think, oh, if you're going to attack me that way, I'm going to fight back.
00:29:58.000So they do it much more subtly, much more elegantly, and they are on a completely different timeline than we are on.
00:30:04.000And they have, like, like I said, you know, I have my whole, they have my whole life, your whole life to get you in some way.
00:30:11.000So you have to be vigilant all the time.
00:30:12.000And then, of course, politically, that's why they're also on a different thing.
00:30:16.000They're trying to tear down this country using whatever opportunity they have.
00:30:20.000Maybe it doesn't work today, but they know, oh, there'll be another George Floyd incident, and then they'll use that to push, and there'll be another incident.
00:30:52.000And the secular humanists, that, by the way, there are some people on the right that are secular humanists, but they're mostly on the left.
00:31:17.000You could argue the great reset and all this are trying to control.
00:31:21.000What are the, in your opinion, Mike, what are the kind of characteristics politically that would be probably most embraced by, let's just say, dark, dark spiritual forces?
00:31:35.000Yeah, the attack on the children is primarily what you learn.
00:31:38.000You learn this, especially when you, you know, you have children of your own.
00:31:42.000Like, let's say you're persecuted politically.
00:31:45.000Jeffrey Clark's being persecuted politically.
00:31:47.000A number of people are being persecuted politically.
00:31:50.000You, as an adult, it will be terrible, but you have your faith and you understand and you can conceptualize what's happening.
00:31:56.000Well, of course, the demons are attacking me.
00:31:59.000Of course, the demons are attacking Jeffrey Clark.
00:32:02.000So it doesn't feel good to be persecuted, or in some cases, Christians will eventually be tortured again, as they were in Roman Coliseum days.
00:32:09.000But you at least have a way to understand it.
00:32:12.000Whereas a child, they remain innocent.
00:32:14.000They don't have knowledge of good and evil.
00:32:15.000All they know is raw pain and all they know is raw trauma.
00:32:19.000And that's why, as part of the less religious practices, they want to torment the children, right?
00:32:25.000Because tormenting an adult, you don't get as much squeeze, right?
00:32:31.000You're like, if you torment me, torment you.
00:32:33.000You can laugh and say, ha, ha, ha, we're getting a little bit out of it.
00:32:36.000But deep down, they know that that'll make a lot of people turn to faith more.
00:32:40.000That'll bring more people to understand what's happening in the world.
00:32:43.000But when they target children, they're targeting someone again without the knowledge of good and evil.
00:32:50.000And that's why the religion of the left, and it is religion, is to torment children, to abort babies, to take children who are confused because they're going through puberty.
00:33:00.000I mean, everybody, I mean, if you think about the less war on children with the gender reassignment stuff, I had really bad acne when I was a teenager.
00:33:26.000I know that when I'm attacked, there's a reason for the attacks.
00:33:28.000I'm able to conceptualize what is happening to me and put it within a framework of spirituality and even of a secular mindset work, right?
00:33:38.000So that's why they target the children because they don't have this kind of framework.
00:33:42.000So they get pure, the demons get more joy out of tormenting children than out of tormenting adults.
00:33:48.000So you have behind you Saint Michael, if I'm not mistaken, Michael the archangel.
00:33:53.000What is your current metaphysical belief structure post encountering the spiritual domain?
00:34:00.000I would just say that everything that I've read is consistent with the truth of Christianity in terms of the spiritual realm, in terms of explain.
00:34:10.000And I don't say I'm Christian because then people say, well, you tweeted this thing and I don't want anybody to put me as an example of anything, right?
00:34:17.000I'm just telling you that if you venture into the spirit world, you will believe in the Bible because you realize it's the best explanation of what's happening on a spiritual dimension.
00:34:29.000And then when you actually read the early church fathers, they'll be like, oh, yeah, of course, Cerno, like idiot.
00:34:58.000Yeah, it's fair to say if I were Christian, it's not something that I would want to put out necessarily because that could lead people because I'm not saying that I live a perfect life and I don't want to you don't have to to be a Christian.
00:35:09.000So just yeah, but I don't I don't want to send people on a bad path, right?
00:35:13.000That's why when we talk about this, we're being so careful in how we say it is.
00:35:16.000I don't want to cause anyone else to stumble, but the Christian explanation of the world certainly is the one that makes the most sense.