00:00:55.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:01.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:44.000You do not have to apologize for the color of your skin.
00:01:46.000Dividing people based on the color of their skin, like black-only dormitories or black-only graduation ceremonies, is abhorrent and it's wrong.
00:01:53.000One of our team members wrote this in the chat.
00:01:56.000He said, if you want to wash somebody's feet or shine their shoes, that's good Christian behavior.
00:02:00.000But to do it because of a race or a tribe or a sect or immutable characteristics, acting as a representative of your own race because of melanin content, it's abhorrent and it's against the truth of the gospel.
00:02:15.000So make your own decisions with Chick-fil-A.
00:02:17.000I personally, some people say, oh, Charlie, you're being unfair.
00:02:21.000I hold organizations, companies that purport to be on our side to a higher standard than Whole Foods or even Target.
00:02:34.000If you have earned the trust of the public by being a Christian conservative company, then I'm going to hold you to a higher standard than Starbucks.
00:02:45.000Be clear about your values, and having a DEI director or mission statement, I think, is inconsistent.
00:02:52.000Congressman Dan Bishop, you're from the South, Congressman, really quick.
00:02:56.000What's your thoughts on the Chick-fil-A situation?
00:02:59.000I totally agree with what you said, and I think the principle you just outlined probably has some applicability to the subject we're going to discuss.
00:03:12.000In fact, that's where we've got to certainly stand up for the principle and the truth where the abhorrent conduct comes from a putative ally, someone we've relied on.
00:03:23.000It's very disappointing, but you cannot make it better by papering it over and letting it roll.
00:03:30.000Connect it straight to the topic we're here to talk about.
00:03:33.000So we're talking about the debt ceiling bill that is on the floor today.
00:03:38.000And I've been very outfront and very critical of it and done everything I could to bring condemnation down upon it because it violates every principle that we should stand for.
00:03:53.000The biggest problem, frankly, is that it has been advocated for and sold by untruths across the board, cosmetic provisions contained therein sold as being good gets for the Republicans that are fake.
00:04:15.000And then worst of, you know, as bad, but then gets to be a detail of the bill.
00:04:22.000Very, very important one, biggest one of all is instead of where you had Republicans come together with 218 votes, they said we couldn't do that, pass a bill on the floor.
00:04:30.000I'm not saying that had to be the bill, but you got all these conservatives to agree in response to significant cuts, changing the direction of government, we would agree to put our, you know, cast a vote in favor of letting the debt ceiling rise another trillion and a half.
00:04:44.000Kevin McCarthy in the conference last night said it was his call to take that out another year with an unlimited amount over that two-year period, probably going to be $4 trillion, maybe more, $5 or $6 trillion of additional debt on our children and grandchildren.
00:05:03.000I mean, I was, that one just sort of left me speechless in conference last night.
00:05:07.000He said he made that call because he thought that Biden would be more aggressive with demands for tax increases and other liberal crazy ideas if they had another negotiation next year as we otherwise had anticipated.
00:05:22.000I still don't know what to make of that, except that it's just, I can't believe it.
00:05:28.000So, Congressman, look, we're reading the bill and the legislative details.
00:06:11.000And help me understand why there's almost these completely opposite narratives stemming from the House conference on this bill.
00:06:20.000And I'm going to do it the best I can understand it, Charlie, because it left me, but I'm going to be specific and let me take one at a time.
00:06:27.000And let me begin it before I do it, link it back to what you just said about the Chick-fil-A situation.
00:06:32.000If we incinerate our credibility as Republicans by our leadership coming out and no two ways about it, lying about provisions that are in there that aren't, how can you expect people out there, you represent, you have viewers and people who look to you for information.
00:06:50.000If you can't discern it, and I can't discern, well, I can discern it because I've read the bill.
00:07:01.000They said, Kevin said when he entered the same, he said, we're taking a billion nine from the IRS, and that nixes their staffing activity for fiscal year 2023 in terms of adding new agents.
00:07:15.000Remember, you have to know that they got an $80 billion appropriation.
00:07:41.000It's $1.4, but that's kind of just, frankly, a minor point, if you think $500 million.
00:07:47.000So they only took $1.4 billion out of the entire appropriation of $80 billion, leaving $78.6 billion.
00:07:54.000There's nothing else in the language that says they can't hire more IRS agents in fiscal year 2023.
00:08:02.000Now, Garrett Graves, McCarthy's negotiator from the podium in conference last night, said, I can tell you they haven't started hiring people.
00:08:22.000How could that so and those things are repeated over and over?
00:08:27.000Whatever we said about, I think the CBO first said $2.1 trillion in savings, then they got $1.3 trillion when they looked at it again.
00:08:34.000But those savings numbers that are big, they're predicated on not legislative caps, legislative caps for two years, but then four more years of unenforceable targets.
00:08:45.000And understand the legislative caps, we've done this before.
00:08:49.000They were blown by agreement of Congress, because one Congress can't bind a future Congress.
00:08:54.000They were dispensed with in years 2011 through 2021, every fiscal year except for one.
00:09:02.000So to go sell that and say we really have turned the corner and we're going to have real cuts in government.
00:09:10.000And if I go, you don't have enough time for me to do it because term after term after term, it is exactly the same.
00:09:18.000Not one thing in there, with the possible exception of permitting improvements, which I can't speak to in great detail.
00:09:25.000There's not one other thing in there that is true to what's been represented that we get.
00:09:30.000I mean, I'm getting so many text messages and phone calls from a lot of different people and lawmakers, and I just listen, right?
00:09:36.000Because you have to know, you know, you have to know what you know and keep the main thing the main thing.
00:09:42.000Here's what I do know, the debt is an existential crisis to our country.
00:09:46.000The amount we're spending is reckless.
00:09:48.000The fiscal discipline has been completely thrown out the window.
00:09:50.000I do know for a fact that Warhawks and the Senate especially got in the way of us making any changes to the defense budget, which I think was a major mistake and a missed opportunity.
00:10:01.000And so I want to talk about what is the legislative future here.
00:10:05.000And if you believe this is one of the defining votes, Steve Bannon believes that this will go down in the memory of kind of conservative lore as an Obamacare vote.
00:10:16.000That could be true, or it could just be another one of these votes where we say, what was that, the Omna What bill of 2018?
00:10:22.000So I want to ask you about it, or is it just going to be another vote where people roll their eyes and cynicism increases?
00:10:28.000Here's my macro concern based on the emails I'm receiving.
00:10:31.000I'm afraid this is going to deteriorate base turnout, volunteerism, and activism.
00:10:36.000Congressman Bishop, there were some rumors going online.
00:10:51.000I don't do that out of impulse, would never do it by myself and not do it to express some anger or something.
00:10:56.000You see those kinds of moves up here are really genuinely dumb.
00:10:59.000But what it does say is this is a fundamental breach of the agreement that we reached in January that has been successful in unifying the Republican Party.
00:11:07.000That's the worst thing of all about this whole situation is that the Speaker decided to go in and blow up the unity of the Republican Conference.
00:11:14.000It was unnecessary, or at least at that point it was unnecessary.
00:11:36.000Congressman, I've received 5,000 emails, and there is certainly a perception that there's a disconnect between the spending discipline that people are now exercising.
00:11:45.000They're taking, let's just say, shorter road trips, less vacations.
00:11:50.000They are shrinking their family budgets right now.
00:11:53.000That is the attitude amongst moderate, ordinary, conservative America.
00:11:56.000I know you see that in North Carolina right now.
00:11:59.000And I think what they want is a parallel attitude in their government.
00:12:06.000The last thing that they want to see is people telling us how great we're moving in a certain direction while we are simultaneously locking in the higher-level post-COVID bureaucracy by the woke and weaponized bureaucracy.
00:12:23.000That spending continuing a pace, and someone to say this is the best thing that's happened is historic.
00:12:29.000No, what's historic is that, you know, in the New Deal, we had the massive increase in government.
00:12:34.000We've seen another massive increase coming out of COVID, and this locks it in.
00:12:39.000And so I do, you asked the question, what Steve Bannon said.
00:12:43.000I definitely believe this is a defining vote, but obviously, you know, I want to say that I'm in the middle of all this up here, and it often things look that way, and you judge them differently as time passes.
00:12:54.000But given the things that I've articulated, and everybody will get mad at me for saying them, and they circle the wagons tighter and insist they're going to vote for the thing more.
00:13:24.000And this is where I'm, Speaker Gingrich, who I really respect, says this is a massive win.
00:13:28.000And so I feel as if, you know, we have Neptune and Saturn here, and there's a lot of difference between the two of different universes that are going on.
00:13:36.000So just closing argument for the audience, because Wall Street Journal is coming out in favor of this.
00:13:41.000New York Post is coming out in favor of this.
00:13:43.000So just, I'm sure it must animate you and frustrate you, right?
00:13:48.000And again, our position on this program is keep the main thing, the main thing, know what you know, and then listen to the experts.
00:13:54.000Congressman, final thoughts, 30 seconds remaining.
00:13:58.000They say we got work requirements and food stamps and TANF.
00:14:03.000The CDO said last night, no, we're going to spend more because we created new three new exemptions to the work requirements that will overwhelm everything.
00:14:11.000We said that there's a new administrative pay code that's going to restrict the regulatory advance, but the Biden administration can waive it, and they said you can't challenge it in court.
00:14:53.000But you have to simultaneously do the other thing.
00:14:55.000I believe you actually have an obligation, which is to support women in need and babies in need that are at risk of being aborted.
00:15:03.000Look, when you introduce a girl to her baby by providing an ultrasound, you're giving her the truth at the most critical and important time in her life.
00:15:12.00085% of the time when they actually see the baby, they choose life.
00:15:18.000Now, mind you, pre-born provides resources.
00:15:23.000And I encourage you, if you're pro-life, to pray about this, are you giving money to actually support the unborn if you are voting for pro-life?
00:15:30.000Look, $140 gives five mothers a free ultrasound and saves babies.
00:15:34.000$280 can save 10 babies, and just $28 a month can save a baby a month for less than a dollar a day.
00:15:39.000I'm a donor to this organization, and you should be too.
00:15:41.000A $15,000 gift will provide an ultrasound machine that will save lives for years to come.
00:15:46.000Whether you want to save one baby or five or hundreds, this opportunity is just a phone call or click away.
00:15:52.000I think the world of pre-born, I give money financially.
00:15:55.000And every one of you that are pro-life, I believe you have a duty and an obligation to go to preborn.org/slash Kirk and give as you can.
00:16:03.000Give your best gift or call 833-850-2229.
00:18:11.000So he sees your show on live every day.
00:18:13.000So, you know, I feel like that's one of the things that CP, you know, that Citizen Free Press does secretly is bring things to the attention of Matt Drudge.
00:18:23.000That is, that's an accurate hypothesis.
00:18:26.000Turning point is really becoming a big player in this space.
00:18:29.000So, Kane, I really want to talk here because you have a stack on all this.
00:18:32.000What is CFP Nation, the grassroots, the MAGA base, saying about the debt ceiling debate and the looming debt ceiling bill tonight at 8 p.m. Eastern?
00:21:01.000So, Kane, here's an element I want to explore with you, which I'm constantly trying to push back against: cynicism and disengagement, cynicism and disengagement.
00:21:32.000I'm starting to see that bubble up, Kane, and it's starting to really concern me on a serious and material level.
00:21:38.000Yeah, you asked me a really good question several appearances ago, asking if it was 10%, if it was 20% of the base.
00:21:45.000There's, you know, there's no doubt people are angry.
00:21:48.000They feel they feel abandoned, and they, and a certain element, a certain part of this group doesn't want to participate.
00:21:55.000But that's why it's, you know, that's our role.
00:21:58.000That's Bannon's role, your role, my role.
00:22:00.000We got to keep, we got to keep people looking forward and focusing on, you know, if we don't want something like this to happen again, let's have all three, you know, let's control all three chambers.
00:22:10.000Let's have the House, the Senate, and the presidency.
00:22:13.000So, so, yes, people are disillusioned.
00:22:16.000It's going to be an issue for us, but we just have to stay positive.
00:23:16.000And we went up through ballot harvesting and doing all of the things that the Democrats have done and doing things that Harmit Dylan did very successfully in California in the last two cycles.
00:24:11.000Add the Zuckerbucks and all the other left-wing grassroots initiatives from the last election, and it's probably less than a billion dollars.
00:24:19.000So, and we both know that's how they won, right?
00:24:23.000In those swing states, those grassroots operations were how they won.
00:24:43.000I know you guys are going to be rolling it out, you know, in a much bigger way this summer and this fall.
00:24:48.000But this is where the money has to go.
00:24:52.000We need organizations with boots on the ground in about 80 counties, right?
00:24:57.000Three or four swing states, 80 counties, and we can win this thing.
00:25:01.000And 100 million is, you know, to the many Republican, conservative billionaires out there, not mentioning you, Bernie Marcus, but to the many billionaires out there, you know, this is, you want to save the country for your grandchildren?
00:25:17.000This is the best investment you can make.
00:25:20.000And it is going, you're chasing ballots, doing the early voting thing.
00:25:25.000You think about it, we're falling short.
00:27:17.000I have a hypothesis that our base feels so betrayed by their leaders and by the uniparty that they're understandably now looking for places where they can feel that they're making a difference, that they're exercising a check-in balance.
00:27:36.000For example, Target, Bud Light, what's going on right now with Chick-fil-A?
00:27:44.000Are you seeing that right now in your comments, Kane?
00:27:47.000Are you seeing that with your audience?
00:27:49.000A kind of out of nowhere desire to all of a sudden hold bad companies accountable and reward good ones?
00:27:59.000You know, this is the Bud Light thing was the first time we really, you know, had some, well, the first time we had success sort of in the boycott arena.
00:28:09.000And Target has followed right on the heels.
00:28:12.000And, you know, they're in full retreat.
00:28:14.000I've been linking to stuff showing that they're removing these homosexual-friendly displays, transgender-friendly displays from stores, not just in the South now.
00:28:36.000It's five headlines talking about how gay activists are having to, you know, sort of go back to the books and figure out a new way because they're losing these corporate battles.
00:28:46.000And so, yeah, it's nice to get a win there.
00:28:49.000And, you know, I think we'll keep it up.
00:28:54.000You know, look, again, once you get a taste of success and you get sites like mine talking every week, you know, Bud Light sales were down 30% this week.
00:29:01.000And just so people understand that, when they keep seeing those figures, 24, 26, 30, what it is is these are every week you're getting a year-over-year comparison.
00:29:10.000So when I put up the headline yesterday, down 30%, that is versus sales a year ago.
00:29:15.000And the last part of this that a beer distributor on my site added is a lot of these sales for Bud Light are booked automatically to stadiums, to events.
00:29:24.000And so the real number for actual, you know, can sales and bottle sales is likely much worse than down 30%.
00:29:31.000And before I throw it back to you, I missed, I wanted to comment in your last section.
00:29:36.000You made such a great point about let's waste a million, you know, a billion dollars on stupid television ads where Republicans and really fringe Republicans are attacking each other.
00:29:44.000Let's let's save $100 billion to actually win.
00:29:47.000So Larry Ellison, you know, let's mention him really quickly.
00:29:51.000He's going to give $60 million to Tim Scott.
00:30:02.000So that's 30, you know, Ellison should at least cut his ego in half and cut that donation in half and send the other 30 million to TPUSA's effort to, you know, ground harvest.
00:30:53.000I mean, it sounds like she just misread the teleprompter and stated that Trump was leading by 25 points over DeSantis instead of 32 points or 34.
00:31:26.000And that's why he, you know, he reacted this way, because he feels like she's disloyal because she has dared to say that she also likes Governor DeSantis.
00:31:35.000And I think we have to get over that binary, you know, thing that you can't like Trump and that you can't like DeSantis.
00:31:40.000So, yeah, I don't know how much time we have, but I'll wrap it up.
00:31:43.000Yeah, I think it was an unforced error.
00:31:45.000I don't think it's going to win him any votes.
00:31:47.000Who's going to be like, oh, yeah, Trump is attacking Kayla?