The Charlie Kirk Show - Economic Miracle or Economic Mirage? with Collin Plume

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, Colin Plume from NobleGoldInvestments.com joins us.

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00:01:13.000 Okay, everybody, we have not done a deep dive on the economy in quite some time.

00:01:18.000 We're going to have an entire hour discussion with my friend, Colin Plume.

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00:01:38.000 Colin, welcome back to the program.

00:01:40.000 First, how are things going at Noble Gold?

00:01:42.000 Charlie, everything's great.

00:01:44.000 Very busy over here.

00:01:45.000 Obviously, people are divesting into gold and silver and platinum, which I don't know if we have time to get into, but platinum is on the rise right now.

00:01:54.000 People are talking about that metal.

00:01:56.000 So yeah, we're extremely busy over here on the summit.

00:01:58.000 Yeah, tell us about platinum.

00:01:59.000 We have time.

00:02:01.000 Well, platinum is interesting because if you, anyone that's in the gold business for a long time remembers that platinum was more expensive than gold for many years until about seven or eight years ago.

00:02:12.000 Platinum's sitting below $1,000 right now.

00:02:15.000 And most experts believe that platinum, the use of platinum, is going to get moved over more into catalytic converters.

00:02:23.000 Palladium went parabolic and hit over $3,000 an ounce.

00:02:28.000 And that was the main driver.

00:02:30.000 It pushed that price up.

00:02:31.000 But they believe that platinum now will start to take over that use.

00:02:35.000 So they think that platinum is undervalued.

00:02:37.000 And for people that don't know about mining and all the things that happen there, platinum, gold, silver, platinum, palladium, platinum is the most difficult metal to mine and find.

00:02:47.000 So sitting below $1,000 is a unique position for the metal.

00:02:54.000 So let's kind of dive into some of the more economic macro stuff.

00:02:58.000 It's an unusual set of circumstances.

00:03:02.000 Some people think we're in a recession.

00:03:03.000 Some people don't.

00:03:04.000 I mean, it's a lot of confusion.

00:03:06.000 Colin, have you seen an economy as unpredictable and hard to describe as the one we're living through right now?

00:03:15.000 Well, yes, because you have a lot of jobs that, you know, a lot of middle management tech jobs have just been wiped out this year.

00:03:24.000 Most of the large tech companies have been shedding jobs left and right.

00:03:28.000 So you have a lot of these high net worth people that are looking for jobs, can't find jobs.

00:03:33.000 They're really struggling to find that.

00:03:36.000 Unemployment, they say, is low, but obviously it doesn't factor people jumping out of the workforce and not even looking for new jobs.

00:03:43.000 So I don't know if that 4% number is a valuable number to look at.

00:03:49.000 And then you just look at this debt bubble that we have, this massive commercial debt that's coming, commercial office buildings.

00:03:58.000 No one knows what to do with these high rises in all these major cities.

00:04:02.000 And so, and that's a major driver of jobs, also.

00:04:05.000 You're talking hundreds of thousands of jobs in real estate.

00:04:09.000 And then the banks, obviously, the big, the big talk is still the banks.

00:04:12.000 I know there was a lot of bank issues that happened earlier this year.

00:04:15.000 There were a few smaller banks that merged.

00:04:18.000 PacWest and California Bank merged recently over about a week ago.

00:04:22.000 So no one's really talking about that.

00:04:24.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:04:24.000 There was a fifth bank failing last week, and no one talked about it.

00:04:27.000 But yeah, keep going.

00:04:28.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:04:30.000 And no one really talks about it.

00:04:31.000 I think people don't realize that the banking industry in general is in trouble because if they're not doing loans, which right now residential loans are down by almost 80%, they're not going to loan on any of these commercial buildings.

00:04:46.000 They're nervous about which properties.

00:04:49.000 How does a bank generate revenue if they're not doing any of these loans?

00:04:53.000 And obviously, people don't want to keep money in cash.

00:04:56.000 So they're divesting.

00:04:57.000 They're either going to different banks or a lot of people bought gold and just had it stored at their house because they just didn't feel comfortable.

00:05:03.000 So if a bank doesn't have cash, they're not doing loans.

00:05:07.000 How do they make money?

00:05:08.000 They don't charge fees.

00:05:09.000 Most of them charge very negligible fees.

00:05:11.000 So how do they stay flow?

00:05:12.000 How do they stay profitable?

00:05:14.000 We saw what happened with Bank of America as they finally got caught for opening up new accounts, which is one of the ways they make money.

00:05:21.000 So they had a pretty hefty fine that they're going to have to pay for, which Wells Fargo has been doing that for years and years.

00:05:27.000 But banks are in for a lot of trouble.

00:05:30.000 A lot of original banks are in trouble.

00:05:32.000 And so we're just in the middle of it, but I don't think a lot of people are talking about this banking crisis.

00:05:36.000 Well, yeah, and the buried lead of it is that the Fed will lie about this, but they have very quietly expanded their balance sheet, which I think is the reason why the Dow has been going up the last four or five months, is we've actually seen increases in liquidity.

00:05:51.000 They're very quiet about it.

00:05:52.000 And again, they'll deny it.

00:05:54.000 Jerome Powell was asked about it.

00:05:56.000 But Colin, you know, we're seeing a very unexpected increase in equities, and we're seeing the Dow go up and no one really knows why.

00:06:05.000 But I believe the reason is we've, ever since Silicon Valley Bank, the Fed turned the guzzle back on, Colin.

00:06:12.000 Right.

00:06:12.000 And that's, and that's what we need.

00:06:14.000 That's in essence for equities to go up.

00:06:16.000 That's what you need.

00:06:16.000 You need more money out there in the markets.

00:06:20.000 That's the only way we're going to see it go up because we haven't seen any positive GDP.

00:06:25.000 We haven't seen rave earnings coming out from a lot of those companies that have been going up.

00:06:32.000 And obviously, you see just this general shift up that's happening in the equity market.

00:06:37.000 I believe that at the end of this year, and I've been saying this a lot, that they are going to lower interest rates.

00:06:42.000 I know they did it, you know, they increased rates one more time, but I think at the end of this year, they're going to lower them.

00:06:46.000 They're going to need to keep the economy going.

00:06:50.000 Because if all this debt comes due in the next 12 to 18 months, all this debt, all this commercial debt, how are the banks going to survive with all this debt?

00:06:59.000 If they end up getting all these buildings that they don't need, how are they going to survive?

00:07:03.000 So I do believe that they're going to shift at the end of this year.

00:07:06.000 And I agree with you.

00:07:07.000 They have expanded the money supply a little bit, which I think is pushing.

00:07:11.000 And they've been deceptive about it.

00:07:12.000 So let's walk through this, Colin.

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00:07:20.000 So, Colin, the timing of the commercial, you're saying it's really all going to come to roost in the next 12 to 18 months.

00:07:26.000 That's what I've been a little uncertain about.

00:07:28.000 It's been this long prediction: six months, nine months, you know, 80% vacant San Francisco, 90% vacant New York, 70% vacant Chicago.

00:07:38.000 Walk us through the timing.

00:07:40.000 Why is there symmetry to it?

00:07:42.000 Well, I think what it comes down to is there's a lot of three and five-year commercial debt that's coming due at the end of this year.

00:07:49.000 COVID.

00:07:50.000 Structured loans.

00:07:51.000 Yeah.

00:07:52.000 A lot of COVID structured loans.

00:07:54.000 A lot of people were finding time to put deals together during that time period.

00:07:58.000 So you have this opportunity.

00:07:59.000 Now, when you have a bank that has a hundred million dollar note coming due, they're going to try to negotiate that with the lender for many, many months.

00:08:07.000 So it doesn't always happen right away.

00:08:10.000 And that's why you see a lot of these office holders in San Francisco and all over.

00:08:15.000 They say, Yeah, we tried to negotiate to the bank for a long time and we just weren't able to.

00:08:19.000 And now they just release it back to the bank, which is, you know, obviously their last option.

00:08:24.000 It's the bank's last option too, because they don't want to sit with a vacant building.

00:08:28.000 There's a lot of liability.

00:08:30.000 There's a lot of things that the bank's not able to do.

00:08:32.000 And in essence, nobody knows how to turn all of these historic, older, not fitted for residential buildings into places that people can live because that's really the only use that would monetize in some of these major cities.

00:08:48.000 Everything else doesn't make any sense.

00:08:50.000 No one's going back to the office in droves is never going to happen.

00:08:55.000 And COVID really moved that forward.

00:08:57.000 That's right.

00:08:58.000 That really pushed things away from people going back into the office full-time.

00:09:03.000 So the only way that they can survive is turn these into residential condos or apartment buildings.

00:09:08.000 And the cost to do that in some of these buildings is astronomical.

00:09:12.000 So there is a big bubble.

00:09:15.000 No, there's a huge bubble.

00:09:16.000 And understand, can you walk through from a financial expert standpoint?

00:09:20.000 These are blue chip.

00:09:21.000 These are up there with self-storage and how they were categorized.

00:09:25.000 You have insurance companies that own these.

00:09:28.000 These used to be considered the easiest loan to get if you're a reputable developer.

00:09:34.000 B, just to park some money, right, from investment.

00:09:37.000 And then, of course, from banks.

00:09:38.000 Can you just, because I think the audience says, okay, commercial real estate, whatever, like, no, no, you have no idea.

00:09:45.000 I would say a large portion of the American economy is built on the trust that commercial real estate is going to pay the bills.

00:09:51.000 Life insurance companies own these, which obviously is a big part of the economy.

00:09:55.000 You have REITs, which most people probably watching the show have some exposure to REITs.

00:10:00.000 They may not know how much they have that is exposed into office buildings.

00:10:05.000 Office buildings were considered Class A almost in a way like bonds.

00:10:10.000 So what we're seeing happen is sort of similar to what we had happen in 2008 when you had that bond crisis, that debt crisis, where they had all these bonds classified as class A and they were really like class D or F. That's what's happening today is that we've, you know, we classify these office buildings as great opportunities and safe.

00:10:29.000 And there's a lot of REITs that own them.

00:10:32.000 There's a lot of resident, there's a lot of people like you and I that have a little bit of our portfolio that are wrapped up in these properties.

00:10:40.000 And they're going to come to the market and it's going to create a massive bubble and it trickles down from the companies that own them to even the banks.

00:10:48.000 And a lot of them are large banks, but a lot of them are regional banks.

00:10:51.000 A lot of regional banks have this debt.

00:10:54.000 So it's going to create a massive problem for the economy.

00:10:56.000 And that's why I think the end of this year, they're going to try to open up the money supply and bring rates down to hopefully slow down this massive debt bubble.

00:11:05.000 There's a storm coming.

00:11:06.000 I'm going to walk you through a story that I heard from a real estate developer recently, a commercial real estate developer.

00:11:12.000 It's really telling.

00:11:14.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:12:35.000 So, Colin, I want to go to this story here.

00:12:37.000 Caught my eye as I was reading this.

00:12:39.000 It's really amazing.

00:12:40.000 The Forgotten 401ks, Daily Mail.

00:12:43.000 Have you forgotten about an old 401k account?

00:12:45.000 Experts say $1.65 trillion is lying in lost retirement plans.

00:12:50.000 Here's how to track yours down.

00:12:51.000 This is extraordinary.

00:12:52.000 Tell us about it.

00:12:53.000 Yeah, I mean, $1.65 trillion.

00:12:56.000 I love talking to people about this.

00:12:58.000 And, you know, people ask me about it all the time about, hey, you know, it's hard for me to get to retirement.

00:13:03.000 And I always ask them, do you have a job maybe you worked at?

00:13:07.000 And did you have a 401k?

00:13:09.000 And you'd be surprised how many people would go, yeah, you know, I did, but I didn't contribute.

00:13:14.000 Well, guess what?

00:13:15.000 A lot of employers contribute.

00:13:17.000 It's pretty common.

00:13:18.000 There's tax advantages for the owner of that business or the executives.

00:13:22.000 There's a lot of reasons.

00:13:23.000 So a lot of people are just not aware of how much money is sitting in that.

00:13:28.000 So you're having, you know, 29 million accounts just sitting there in a place.

00:13:35.000 And the problem is, is that you're stuck in a 401k that there's no more money going into.

00:13:40.000 And the fees on those can be pretty high.

00:13:42.000 They average typically between 1% and 3% to typically on the plan.

00:13:47.000 You're not putting any new money in.

00:13:49.000 So a lot of people aren't aware of this amazing opportunity.

00:13:53.000 And we've helped people find a lot of these older people.

00:13:56.000 How do you hunt them down?

00:13:57.000 Like prior jobs, you know, former employers, by law, there has to, they have to tell you about them, obviously, if you ask, because it's in your name.

00:14:04.000 Yeah, right.

00:14:06.000 They do, but they don't make it always that easy to get the accounts.

00:14:10.000 We have a full team.

00:14:11.000 We have websites that we search.

00:14:13.000 There's different ways that you can do it.

00:14:15.000 A lot of them are, you know, they have these plan administrators that we can help you negotiate or go in and talk to them about it.

00:14:22.000 But I've had people, I had one just off the top of my head, one gentleman who had five different ones and they range from 8,000.

00:14:28.000 And then he had one of them that he forgot about had almost 18,000 and all in between.

00:14:33.000 And then he had his IRA and we moved it all into physical gold and silver.

00:14:38.000 And the reason that it's not a good idea to keep it there.

00:14:41.000 And even if you don't put it into gold and silver is that you want to move it into an IRA so you have control of it.

00:14:48.000 You can move it into a self-directed IRA.

00:14:50.000 So getting these accounts and a lot of times people are shocked how much money is in there.

00:14:56.000 You know, the administrators, they'll just keep it in there for as long as they can.

00:15:00.000 They'll just charge you fees.

00:15:02.000 So the idea that you move it into a self-directed IRA so you get control of it, get the fees down is really a smart thing to do.

00:15:11.000 Obviously, we can help you get into precious metals, but even if you moved it into and went into cash and then decided later what you wanted to get into, it's a great way.

00:15:20.000 And there's a lot of lost money out there.

00:15:22.000 You know, trillions of dollars.

00:15:24.000 So just for the layman out there, this was an interesting education for me.

00:15:27.000 What is a gold IRA? 0.51

00:15:29.000 What exactly is that?

00:15:30.000 Yeah.

00:15:31.000 So you can put gold or silver into your into your IRA.

00:15:35.000 These coins and bars, you can buy physical, real gold and silver.

00:15:40.000 So that's what we do at Noble Gold.

00:15:42.000 We help you do that.

00:15:43.000 So you could take some, an old 401k or any IRA, roll it over, and we do all that paperwork and help you do all that for you.

00:15:50.000 But you can actually put the physical metal in there.

00:15:53.000 And the reason that people like that is, as opposed to an ETF or bonds or stocks, you own it.

00:15:59.000 It's your gold and silver.

00:16:01.000 It's one of the, I think, one of the few assets in an IRA you actually own by yourself.

00:16:06.000 We at Noble Gold just help you facilitate that.

00:16:09.000 So, for people that want to diversify, for people that want to get into something different, something tangible, it's a great option that we help them do.

00:16:18.000 Yeah, and look, I don't do investment advice.

00:16:20.000 I'm clear about it, but I do give you advice on who to buy from.

00:16:24.000 That's what I will do, which is Noble Gold Investments.

00:16:26.000 And I've been had some real bad experiences with some gold companies, let's put it that way.

00:16:31.000 But you guys are amazing, Colin.

00:16:32.000 You text me back immediately.

00:16:34.000 Big purchases, small referrals.

00:16:37.000 And you guys have really grown tremendously post-COVID.

00:16:40.000 Is that right?

00:16:42.000 We've our staff has almost tripled since COVID.

00:16:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:46.000 And, you know, I think a lot of it has to do with the partnership like ours that we have and really working with the right people.

00:16:53.000 The thing that we really focus on is we always answer the phone whether gold's up or down.

00:16:58.000 Customer service is the real key to our business.

00:17:01.000 But I also think just the demand for gold.

00:17:04.000 I saw an interesting study today, a State Street study came out.

00:17:08.000 And actually, it's sort of shocking news that they did a study about gold in portfolios.

00:17:14.000 And they did millennials, they did a few other generations.

00:17:19.000 I can't think of it.

00:17:20.000 It's a brain fart right now, but ultimately what happened was they realized that millennials had more gold in their portfolio than the older generations.

00:17:31.000 They had almost 16%, 16% of their portfolio was in gold.

00:17:35.000 And so it was sort of a shocking revelation that younger people, and we've been seeing it, have been moving into gold.

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00:18:26.000 So, Colin, one of the consequences of our involvement in the war in eastern Ukraine, which, by the way, is heating up beyond anything that I think people realize.

00:18:35.000 Front page of the Wall Street Journal shows drones target Moscow high-rises damaged.

00:18:42.000 So, Colin, is that the dollar is now being put into question as the world reserve currency?

00:18:48.000 Russia is trying to get back at us by uniting the BRIC countries, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, which could potentially impact the dollar as the world reserve currency status.

00:19:02.000 How real are these threats and what does it mean for the integrity of the U.S. dollar? 0.65

00:19:06.000 Financial transactions between countries happen in the dollar.

00:19:09.000 That's down a few percentage points from five or six years ago.

00:19:13.000 The reserves of most countries in the dollar used to be in the 70, 75% range.

00:19:20.000 We're at 58% right now, the dollar being reserves and central banks.

00:19:24.000 So, we're seeing the slippage happen.

00:19:27.000 And obviously, those numbers are big when you look at the amount of money we're talking about.

00:19:32.000 The BRIC nations, the information about them having their own currency that's backed by gold was leaked a few months ago.

00:19:40.000 They've tried to downplay it pretty dramatically over the last month or two because they need to buy more gold to have these currencies.

00:19:50.000 So, even though China has been buying a lot of gold, India has been buying a lot of gold.

00:19:54.000 We know Russia has always been a major buyer of gold.

00:19:58.000 They're trying to accumulate more.

00:20:00.000 So, they don't want everyone to go out and buy as much gold because obviously they have this currency coming and they're going to need to back it partially.

00:20:09.000 They have a system that they've tried to introduce.

00:20:12.000 It hasn't worked yet, but I think it could get more momentum if it was backed by gold.

00:20:16.000 They have a BRICS payment system that would allow for their transactions to be done much quicker and much easier.

00:20:23.000 And that's one of the things that's on the agenda at their meeting August 22nd, August 23rd.

00:20:30.000 They're going to be discussing this, among other things that they need to discuss at that summit, but a big conversation.

00:20:37.000 And a lot of people that talk about money and talk about currency are very much concerned about this currency being released and it being a much stronger currency than our U.S. dollar.

00:20:50.000 So, how does this tie in with the push for centralized bank digital currency?

00:20:55.000 Well, I think what it is, it would be a digital currency.

00:20:58.000 They're not going to release anything paper.

00:20:59.000 So, it is going to be a digital currency.

00:21:01.000 It would just be backed by gold.

00:21:02.000 And if they can figure out a way to make the transactions seamless between these countries, it would make sense for them to go with a currency that they have some more vested interest rate.

00:21:15.000 At the end of the day, having the U.S., our currency, gives us power over the world.

00:21:20.000 It allows us to dictate a number of things.

00:21:22.000 It also, on the negative side, it allows us to spend freely.

00:21:26.000 That's right.

00:21:27.000 If we weren't the world's reserve currency, we would not be able to do what we've been able to do with our currency.

00:21:34.000 So, in some ways, some probably smaller ways, it's a negative that we can kind of spend freely without any consequences.

00:21:41.000 Yes, that's right.

00:21:42.000 Without any consequences, what I think what we're looking at is countries are going to continue to divest into other currencies, but they're still looking for that replacement.

00:21:54.000 The yuan has pushed pretty dramatically.

00:21:57.000 They have a digital currency application in China.

00:22:00.000 People are starting to use it in China.

00:22:03.000 It's becoming more and more common.

00:22:05.000 So, we are seeing more of a push away from traditional paper currencies and things that people are using day to day.

00:22:12.000 It's becoming more of the next logical step.

00:22:16.000 The problem for us is that then, if we do continue to move away from it, the world, then we have to sit down and really deal with our debt problem.

00:22:25.000 And I think there's never been an issue that we've been able to solve.

00:22:29.000 We just continue to push more debt.

00:22:32.000 We had an opportunity a few months ago to try to lower some of our obligations, and the Republicans came to the table with a pretty sensible plan in a number of areas.

00:22:41.000 And some of the things passed, you know, reducing the IRS agents and a few other things that passed.

00:22:48.000 But there's some bigger issues that they were not able to hammer out.

00:22:52.000 And that's why now we can just spend freely.

00:22:54.000 I don't know if you remember that plan, but basically, now we can just continue to spend for the next years.

00:22:59.000 There's no limit right now for the next two years.

00:23:02.000 And so, they're just going to continue to spend freely.

00:23:04.000 So, we're going to go from 31 trillion to probably in the next two years, my guess will probably be close to 40 or 41 trillion dollars in national debt.

00:23:13.000 When I first started my activism in this space, it was 2010, 2011.

00:23:18.000 The debt was right around $9 trillion.

00:23:21.000 And so, let's get to the root cause of this, though.

00:23:24.000 We have a system, a monetary system that is built on fiat currency.

00:23:29.000 It's not backed on in anything.

00:23:31.000 It's the full faith and credit of the United States, but it allows the Federal Reserve to basically just do whatever they want.

00:23:38.000 I think that this monetary system is unsustainable.

00:23:42.000 It's a creature of Jekyll Island.

00:23:45.000 Was made by bankers and people that have a very specific worldview of, let's just say, allowing government to get big because big government is tied with big money, right?

00:23:57.000 You cannot have big government if you don't have loose monetary policy.

00:24:01.000 Gold used to actually back the US dollar.

00:24:03.000 And then what happened?

00:24:06.000 Yeah.

00:24:06.000 So we got off the gold standard completely in 1971 under Nixon.

00:24:11.000 We pretty much got off it in 1933 also.

00:24:14.000 We started because people actually had to turn in their gold.

00:24:18.000 You know, the people actually had gold.

00:24:20.000 And at that point, our inflation wasn't anywhere near where it was today.

00:24:26.000 The dollar having a backing of gold was actually really good for regular Americans.

00:24:33.000 It set the table of, hey, the government can't just continue to spend.

00:24:38.000 They have some rules in place.

00:24:40.000 They have some ways to kind of keep the spending down.

00:24:43.000 And people really flourish.

00:24:45.000 If you look at the average American of what they could afford until even the mid-70s, the amount of things that they could buy relative to today was much better for regular people, just overall people.

00:24:59.000 Also, just savers in general, it was much better for.

00:25:02.000 And people say like now the banks are finally offering a 4% return in some of these accounts.

00:25:08.000 And people are, oh, that's great.

00:25:11.000 But they're not doing it out of the cardness of their heart.

00:25:13.000 The only reason that banks are doing that today is because they need deposits.

00:25:17.000 So they're having to offer a return that's higher.

00:25:19.000 And most of them, if you read the fine print, that higher return, that four, 4.5% is typically for about six months.

00:25:27.000 It's not an indefinite amount.

00:25:28.000 It typically goes for about six months.

00:25:30.000 And then after that, drops down into the threes.

00:25:33.000 And if you really look at it, making 3% on money in a bank, when you're going to get taxed on that money, it ends up being closer to about 2%.

00:25:41.000 And if inflation is anywhere where I think it is, I know the government reports it's in the high fours, but let's just say it's a few percentage points higher.

00:25:48.000 You're at 7% or 8%.

00:25:50.000 At the end of the day, you're only making 2% on that money in the bank after you pay the taxes and anything.

00:25:55.000 So really, as you said, that this whole institution we've created is to help out the banks.

00:26:00.000 That's what it's all set up for.

00:26:02.000 It allows the banks to just do whatever they need to do.

00:26:06.000 And that's the only reason they're offering those returns.

00:26:08.000 And so a few months ago, when a lot of the banks started to have problems, a lot of people started calling us and they just said, you know, if I have gold and I need it at some point, can I liquidate it?

00:26:17.000 And people don't realize.

00:26:18.000 I mean, these assets, you can sell them.

00:26:20.000 We sell bullion coins and bars.

00:26:22.000 They're liquid anywhere in the world.

00:26:24.000 So yeah, I know your bank is liquid.

00:26:26.000 You could push a button, get it the next day.

00:26:28.000 But with us with gold, if you're talking maybe two to three days, being able to get gold back and you can actually make potentially a better return, or at least you have the money out of the banks, a lot of people just thought getting it out of the banks or at least some of the money out of the banks made a lot more sense, especially people that are sitting with above that $250,000 limit.

00:26:47.000 They were very nervous and they were just looking to get out any way they could.

00:26:51.000 Well, and that's a common misconception that some people have is they say, oh, I have this piece of gold.

00:26:56.000 It's illiquid.

00:26:58.000 What you're saying, though, is that there is a market, which, of course, when you have a market, you could sell it.

00:27:03.000 You can potentially liquidate it, right?

00:27:05.000 Is that absolutely 100%?

00:27:08.000 And during 9-11, when the stock market was closed, the gold market, silver market never closed.

00:27:14.000 There's no reason for it.

00:27:16.000 So that you could buy and sell physical items at any time.

00:27:16.000 It's a physical market.

00:27:20.000 So, you know, that's always the people that really concern what happens if there's an EMP or what happens, you know, the market shuts down.

00:27:26.000 It's like these items are always going to be liquid.

00:27:28.000 And I guarantee you, if the market has to shut down again, these will be even more valuable because they're so easy to trade these things and they're liquid anywhere in the world.

00:27:38.000 Anywhere you go, people want to buy gold and silver.

00:27:42.000 They'll trade it for anything that you want.

00:27:44.000 In any place in the world.

00:27:46.000 So the website is noblegoldinvestments.com, promo code Charlie, to bag a free five-ounce America of the Beautiful Coin.

00:27:53.000 Tell us about the America Beautiful Coin, Colin.

00:27:55.000 America the Beautiful Coin is this one right here.

00:27:57.000 This is my favorite U.S. minted coin.

00:28:01.000 And the reason is, not only is it, so they made this coin in 2010, and every month or two, they release a new coin with a different national park.

00:28:10.000 So part of the proceeds goes to that national park, which obviously that's one of the reasons our country is so beautiful is we have so many amazing, you know, natural places that people can go and hike and enjoy.

00:28:22.000 So the proceeds go to that.

00:28:24.000 The other reason I like these coins is that they only make between 30 and 35,000 of each national park.

00:28:29.000 So there's really a limited supply of these coins.

00:28:32.000 So that's really nice to get a bullion coin at a fair price, but also over time, these coins will go up in value because they're not making that many of them.

00:28:42.000 And, you know, 30,000 may seem like a lot, but at the peak, you know, in 2009 and 2010, they were selling 37 or 38 million Silver Eagles, these coins right here.

00:28:56.000 So to give you an idea, the 30,000 in these per park is pretty low.

00:29:00.000 So that's why it's one of my favorite coins and one of the reasons I typically offer it for people that are rolling over qualified IRAs.

00:29:07.000 I really, really love this.

00:29:08.000 Go to noblegoldinvestments.com.

00:29:10.000 That is noblegoldinvestments.com.

00:29:13.000 I want to play cut 30.

00:29:14.000 CBS poll shows that two-thirds of Americans view the economy as bad and the economy is struggling and uncertain.

00:29:20.000 Play cut 30.

00:29:22.000 Our new CBS News poll shows widespread pessimism about the economy.

00:29:26.000 Roughly two-thirds describe it as bad.

00:29:29.000 Most say the economy is struggling and uncertain.

00:29:33.000 Personally, 70% of working Americans say those paychecks can't keep up with rising prices.

00:29:39.000 Most say at best, financially, they're staying in place, but more than one-third say they're falling behind.

00:29:47.000 Nearly half, 45%, think the Biden administration's actions are increasing inflation.

00:29:53.000 Wow, that is a recipe for disaster.

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00:30:03.000 I personally buy a fair amount of gold.

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00:30:09.000 In fact, again, I have to be careful because we don't give investment advice, but I'm just going to read a headline.

00:30:13.000 JP Morgan projects record gold prices in 2024.

00:30:17.000 I'm sure you saw this, Colin.

00:30:18.000 That's JP Morgan that's saying it.

00:30:22.000 Hey, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:31:34.000 I'm just going to read part of this article here.

00:31:37.000 JP Morgan.

00:31:38.000 JP Morgan has come out and they say we're in a very prime place and we think that gold ownership and long allocation to gold and silver is something that acts as both as a late cycle diversifier and something that will perform as we look to the next sort of 12 or 18 months.

00:31:51.000 Colin, I'm sure you're seeing and hearing this a lot right now.

00:31:54.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:31:55.000 And it's funny, I was just thinking about it.

00:31:57.000 For all the times I've been on your show, I think every time I've been on your show, gold and silver are up pretty dramatically in the last three times.

00:32:03.000 I don't know.

00:32:04.000 There's no guarantees, but it is a fact.

00:32:06.000 It's no guarantee.

00:32:07.000 It is.

00:32:07.000 It is a fact.

00:32:09.000 Silver, yeah, silver at a nice bump today.

00:32:12.000 You know, silver just is, it's sort of hard to figure out why it's not near its all-time high, you know, sitting around 50 again.

00:32:20.000 But yeah, I mean, I think it's prime for this kind of environment.

00:32:24.000 We're in a, in a choppy, I think that's what everybody's seeing right now is that you look at some of the reports and you go, okay, well, unemployment seems to be low, but then people say, you know, I can't keep up.

00:32:34.000 You know, things aren't looking good.

00:32:37.000 You have a lot of middle management jobs and most of the tech companies, high-paying jobs, those are gone.

00:32:42.000 Those, you know, they've been laid off this year.

00:32:44.000 So you're getting mixed signals.

00:32:46.000 Equities are up right now.

00:32:47.000 So you're getting a lot of mixed signals.

00:32:48.000 But I think ultimately, when you have a market like this, a JP Morgan and a lot of these big institutions are going to take some money off the table and get into more stable assets.

00:33:00.000 They don't want to be too risky with what they're looking to do.

00:33:03.000 So they're going to take a portion off and get into the physical metal.

00:33:07.000 And I think that if you look at inflation, let's say it's going to sit in the 4% or 5% range.

00:33:13.000 And let's say gold's going to be sitting in that, doing that or maybe a little bit better over that time period.

00:33:19.000 It's nice to have an asset that has a limited supply.

00:33:22.000 And so that's why you have all these large institutions really kind of diving into it.

00:33:28.000 You have the Brick Nations talking about backing a currency with gold.

00:33:31.000 And that obviously could push things very dramatically, very quickly.

00:33:35.000 And then you just have the dollar just sort of when is the dollar going to lose its status?

00:33:40.000 And so you have all these elements happening there, and it just creates a lot of nervousness in the market.

00:33:45.000 And that's why you see people take off and get into things that are stable, like gold and silver.

00:33:50.000 And, you know, you've seen oil pretty much do pretty well.

00:33:53.000 So a lot of commodities are doing well in this market right now.

00:33:58.000 This is an unprecedented economic climate right now.

00:34:02.000 And so I want you guys to check it out.

00:34:05.000 It is noblegoldinvestments.com.

00:34:07.000 That is noblegoldinvestments.com.

00:34:09.000 I'm going to play another piece of tape here, Colin, and I just want you to kind of summarize it all up.

00:34:13.000 Let's go to cut 29.

00:34:14.000 Senator Chris Murphy says, we're seeing a revolution of our economy right now.

00:34:18.000 This is not what people believe.

00:34:20.000 Play cut 29.

00:34:22.000 Inflation's falling.

00:34:23.000 This week, the GDP report was very good, but the American people are still rating the economy poorly.

00:34:29.000 What's the disconnect?

00:34:30.000 Well, listen, the economy is booming right now.

00:34:32.000 I mean, you're talking about unemployment under 4%.

00:34:36.000 You're seeing a reduction in inflation that's outpacing all of our other global competitors, GDP rising.

00:34:43.000 We are seeing an absolute revolution of our economy right now.

00:34:48.000 The kind of good paying jobs that used to be the foundation of America coming back.

00:34:52.000 And that's Joe Biden's policies.

00:34:54.000 Closing thoughts, NobleGoldInvestments.com, promo coachli, Colin Plume.

00:34:58.000 Pretty much the opposite of what I've been seeing out there.

00:35:01.000 The way to get this economy moving again is to empower entrepreneurs, give them the ability, small business owners, the ability to grow a business.

00:35:10.000 And right now, in this environment, it's still very difficult with interest rates this high for someone coming out of the gate that's new in business or looking and looking to get money.

00:35:19.000 It's very difficult right now.

00:35:22.000 We got to get our spending under control so we can get rates down and we have to empower entrepreneurs.

00:35:27.000 That's the way that we get out of this economic crisis that we're in.

00:35:32.000 And yes, the numbers of 4% look great and everybody.

00:35:34.000 But if people can't afford to pay their bills, it doesn't matter what the unemployment rate is.

00:35:38.000 If they can't afford to pay day to day, that means they're not keeping up.

00:35:42.000 And so I don't care what the inflation numbers is.

00:35:45.000 If 65% of Americans say it's going pretty bad, then I think that's a pretty fair test that our economy is not going well and we're not going in the right direction.

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00:35:56.000 We don't do investment advice on this show, but I do tell you, if you want to buy gold, go there.

00:36:01.000 I'll tell you also personally, I'm buying a lot of gold.

00:36:03.000 I think it's a great investment, but you guys do your own research.

00:36:06.000 You figure it out.

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00:36:14.000 Fair amount of gold companies out there.

00:36:16.000 I've been burned before, but I've been, Colin, we love working with you and we're going to keep on promoting you very strongly.

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00:36:23.000 Colin, thanks so much.

00:36:25.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:36:26.000 Everybody, email us your thoughts as always.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 01, 2023

Economic Miracle or Economic Mirage? with Collin Plume

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