The Charlie Kirk Show - Election Fraud, Elon Musk, and the Epic Failure of COVID Lockdowns with Tom Fitton

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00:01:26.000 Hello, everybody.

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00:01:30.000 Tom Fitton from the wonderful organization Judicial Watch joining us.

00:01:34.000 There's a lot I want to go over with him.

00:01:36.000 He's been having some extraordinary legal victories.

00:01:42.000 Here's your feel-good news of the day.

00:01:45.000 CNN Plus struggles to lure viewers in its early days, drawing fewer than 10,000 daily users.

00:01:53.000 Well, we do not have a multi-billion dollar budget or a cable channel behind us, but we do get that many listeners in about 15 minutes.

00:02:00.000 I'm telling you, legacy media is falling apart and the model is changing.

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00:02:10.000 There's no show without you.

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00:02:17.000 It's beautiful to see.

00:02:18.000 CNN Plus is a total disaster.

00:02:20.000 Okay, I want to get into this story.

00:02:21.000 I think it's just amazing.

00:02:23.000 It really is.

00:02:24.000 Who handled COVID the best?

00:02:26.000 Who handled the Fauci virus the best?

00:02:29.000 What states were the ones that were able to withstand the damage, both with death, education, businesses?

00:02:37.000 So there's a study out of the National Bureau for Economic Research.

00:02:41.000 And based on this article, and I'm reading a little bit into this, but not too much.

00:02:46.000 It seems as if they did a blended metric where they put death rates, business closures, education outputs all into one.

00:02:54.000 So they didn't just do death rates.

00:02:56.000 They didn't just do case rates.

00:02:57.000 They didn't just do business.

00:02:59.000 They put it all into one.

00:03:00.000 How they weighed it, I don't know.

00:03:02.000 But it seems to be a very nonpartisan group.

00:03:05.000 It doesn't seem to be as if this is a partisan.

00:03:08.000 So what the National Bureau for Economic Research came out and said is they ranked what states did best in response to the Fauci virus.

00:03:16.000 The National Bureau of Economic Research is an American private nonprofit research organization tied to the MIT in Harvard, the Massachusetts Institute for Technology in Harvard.

00:03:26.000 So this is as nonpartisan as it's going to get.

00:03:29.000 Okay? 0.95

00:03:30.000 The state they say that did the best, despite their ridiculous politicians, but they have great people. 0.82

00:03:35.000 Utah, second best, South Dakota. 0.88

00:03:38.000 Remember, Governor Christy Noam was just attacked from every direction for her response to the virus. 0.77

00:03:44.000 Then, interestingly, Vermont, which I could be an outlier.

00:03:47.000 I don't know how they responded to a lot of different things.

00:03:50.000 Also, a very rural state, so that's something to think about.

00:03:53.000 Then Montana, led wonderfully by our friend and supporter of Turning Point USA, Governor Gianforte.

00:04:01.000 Then number five, where, ah, North.

00:04:05.000 No, I'm sorry.

00:04:06.000 No, number two is Nebraska.

00:04:07.000 I got myself all messed up.

00:04:08.000 Number two is Nebraska, led by Governor Ricketts.

00:04:10.000 Number five was Christy Noam.

00:04:12.000 Sorry, I was going through this too quickly.

00:04:14.000 And yes, I do know the difference between Nebraska and South Dakota.

00:04:17.000 And then number six, Ron DeSantis.

00:04:19.000 Number seven, New Hampshire.

00:04:22.000 Eight, Maine, a lot of rural states.

00:04:24.000 Nine, Arkansas, and ten, Idaho.

00:04:27.000 Okay.

00:04:28.000 Well, Florida is far from a rural state.

00:04:30.000 So who are the worst?

00:04:31.000 What were the worst states when it came to handling COVID and shutting down businesses and death rates?

00:04:36.000 The very worst, New Jersey.

00:04:38.000 Actually, you could call them the not-so-fab five.

00:04:42.000 Actually, six.

00:04:44.000 Literally the bottom of the list.

00:04:46.000 New Jersey, D.C., New York, New Mexico, California, Illinois.

00:04:52.000 Six out of six of the worst responses to the Fauci virus were Democrat-controlled. 0.77

00:04:59.000 Whereas one, two, three, four, five out of six of the top best responses were Republican-controlled.

00:05:08.000 Do you see a correlation?

00:05:10.000 That's for child outcomes, for education, for business closures, for mental health, for death rates and transmission rates.

00:05:16.000 Democrat governor policies caused huge death rates, study says, ruined children's studies and destroyed businesses.

00:05:24.000 Utah, Nebraska, Montana, and South Dakota were praised by analysts for their pandemic response.

00:05:30.000 South Dakota praised?

00:05:32.000 You remember all the articles that said Christy Noam is trying to let people...

00:05:36.000 There was an article, Connor, please find it.

00:05:38.000 There is an article that said, South Dakota's experiment in human sacrifice.

00:05:46.000 I guarantee you that exists.

00:05:47.000 I know they tried to bury it.

00:05:48.000 It was an article.

00:05:49.000 If you look that up, it's Christy Noam or South Dakota's experiment in human sacrifice. 0.76

00:05:55.000 Go find that article.

00:05:56.000 I remember reading it.

00:05:58.000 But they say that South Dakota did the second best.

00:06:00.000 Ron DeSantis in Florida was the sixth best despite having multiple urban populations.

00:06:07.000 Orlando, Tampa, Miami, being the three biggest urban areas in Florida.

00:06:15.000 Not to mention Florida having a disproportionately elderly population.

00:06:20.000 And yet, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research, as we take a step back, everything that we were warning about on this program, lockdown's not working, mask mandates not working, vaccine mandates not working, are now the numbers do not lie.

00:06:35.000 And coming in at the 46th worst state response, Illinois.

00:06:39.000 Illinois was the 46th worst state response.

00:06:42.000 What's 45?

00:06:43.000 Maryland.

00:06:45.000 44, Nevada.

00:06:46.000 43, Connecticut.

00:06:48.000 You see a through line here?

00:06:49.000 See kind of a theme?

00:06:52.000 41, Massachusetts, 40, Hawaii, 39, Hawaii, 38, Delaware.

00:06:57.000 Arizona got a terrible grade.

00:06:59.000 And I agree.

00:06:59.000 Arizona was way too locked down.

00:07:02.000 Arizona did not trust their citizens.

00:07:04.000 It did not embrace liberty or freedom nearly as much as it should.

00:07:08.000 But if you look at the top 20, 1, 2, 3, 4, the best 20, I should say.

00:07:14.000 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17.

00:07:22.000 Okay, so 18 out of 20 of the top, the best 20 responses are Republican-controlled states.

00:07:30.000 18 out of 20.

00:07:32.000 Meanwhile, six out of six of the worst are all Democrat-controlled.

00:07:37.000 There's a correlation.

00:07:39.000 Shutting down your businesses, shutting down your economy, actually ends up destroying your citizens' lives.

00:07:46.000 And this isn't hard.

00:07:47.000 And this is what's so frustrating.

00:07:48.000 We have an episode that came out exactly two years ago.

00:07:51.000 I remember exactly when we did the episode.

00:07:53.000 It was in our old old studio two studios ago.

00:07:55.000 It's kind of makeshift.

00:07:57.000 And we did an entire article, an entire podcast that said, end the lockdowns now.

00:08:03.000 And we were attacked from every single direction.

00:08:08.000 Every direction you can imagine.

00:08:10.000 Democrat New Jersey fared the worst in the United States.

00:08:13.000 That's on Phil Murphy.

00:08:15.000 Now they blame in the article nursing home deaths.

00:08:17.000 You don't think that Florida has nursing homes too?

00:08:20.000 You don't think Texas has nursing homes?

00:08:23.000 A lot of states have nursing homes.

00:08:24.000 That's not the point.

00:08:25.000 The point is, how do you manage it?

00:08:27.000 What state had the worst educational output?

00:08:30.000 Washington, D.C., California, Oregon, Maryland, Washington, Hawaii, New Mexico.

00:08:37.000 See a correlation?

00:08:38.000 This is an incredibly persuasive piece, by the way.

00:08:41.000 We're going to put this on charliekirk.com.

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00:08:47.000 And you could show this to all your friends.

00:08:48.000 Lockdown economies also had closed schools.

00:08:51.000 Chart.

00:08:52.000 Lockdown economies did not have better health chart.

00:08:55.000 This is comprehensive.

00:08:57.000 It shows state by state by state.

00:08:59.000 So what states have now the highest increase in new COVID transmission?

00:09:03.000 The ones that have locked down.

00:09:05.000 Illinois, 34%.

00:09:07.000 Meanwhile, Texas is negative 48%.

00:09:10.000 And that's the last two weeks.

00:09:11.000 This list right here is precisely what Louis Brandeis said.

00:09:16.000 This is the laboratory of democracy right here.

00:09:20.000 And the lab results are in.

00:09:22.000 Your test results are in, everybody.

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00:09:39.000 They hate families.

00:09:40.000 Disney made tons of money off of being family friendly and family safe.

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00:12:03.000 Inflation numbers are out today.

00:12:05.000 MSNBC is being very honest about the new inflation numbers.

00:12:08.000 The new consumer price index numbers are out.

00:12:10.000 Let's play that tape.

00:12:11.000 MSNBC on March inflation numbers.

00:12:14.000 Play tape.

00:12:15.000 So because of the actions we've taken to address the Putin price hike, we are in a better place than we were last month. 0.64

00:12:22.000 But we expect March CPA, CPI headline inflation to be extraordinarily elevated due to Putin's price hike.

00:12:30.000 Putin's price hike.

00:12:32.000 So let's actually put a chart on screen.

00:12:33.000 We'll put this on CharlieKirk.com.

00:12:35.000 This is inflation.

00:12:37.000 And so you look at this chart here.

00:12:40.000 You see all of that in the red?

00:12:41.000 That's Biden.

00:12:42.000 And then the last little one is Putin.

00:12:44.000 If you were even to blame Putin for it, even though the rocket ship starts to take off well before Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine, Putin price hike.

00:12:55.000 It's so cringy, honestly.

00:12:57.000 It's just so hard to like hear Putin price.

00:12:59.000 It's so, and people aren't buying it, by the way.

00:13:02.000 And you have to wonder, what was the calculus by the regime?

00:13:08.000 How would they think this was going to turn out?

00:13:09.000 They don't really think that far ahead at times.

00:13:11.000 They really don't.

00:13:13.000 MSNBC Cut 41 covering inflation.

00:13:16.000 It ain't good.

00:13:17.000 When you look at these numbers year over year, you said it.

00:13:20.000 We have not been in this place in 40 years.

00:13:22.000 And the biggest increases, it's gas, it's rent, it's food, all the things you need to buy every day.

00:13:29.000 So the people who are already the most economically vulnerable are going to be hit the hardest.

00:13:34.000 8% year over year.

00:13:37.000 And I could tell you that in Phoenix, it's even higher than that at times.

00:13:40.000 At Turning Point USA, we gave a 10% across-the-board raise.

00:13:44.000 We did that to support our workers.

00:13:45.000 Many corporations aren't doing that, by the way.

00:13:48.000 And if your employer is not giving an 8% or 9% or 10% raise in that regard year over year, we did that at Turning Point USA for a reason because you're going to get actively poorer.

00:14:01.000 And you're going to get actively poor if that's happening, where it's like, wow, year over year, I'm earning less money.

00:14:08.000 Even though I'm earning the same or a little bit more, things are costing more.

00:14:12.000 Rent, travel, food.

00:14:14.000 All of that happens when you have too many dollars chasing too few goods.

00:14:19.000 Everything has skyrocketed.

00:14:20.000 Now, one of the reasons you have to believe the Democrats thought they could get away with this is they thought no one would wake up to actually want to fix our elections.

00:14:30.000 A pretty extraordinary announcement came out today, which is a great announcement for the security of our elections and the integrity of our elections.

00:14:38.000 Mark Zuckerberg.

00:14:40.000 Mark Zuckerberg and his wife, Priscilla Chan, have said they will not give another $400 million for this next aid of elections.

00:14:50.000 The nonprofit that distributed most of the $350 million in donations from Zuckerberg to election officers in 2020 said Monday that it won't disperse similar donations this year after backlash from conservative suspicions that the contributions tilted the outcome of the presidential race towards Biden.

00:15:07.000 This tells me a couple different things.

00:15:09.000 Number one, it shows that the backlash that Zuckerberg has received has really bothered him, and it should bother him.

00:15:17.000 I don't know Zuckerberg's intentions.

00:15:19.000 I don't.

00:15:20.000 But what I do know is that Zuckerberg is not exactly excited about further alienating half the country.

00:15:27.000 By the way, on Facebook and Instagram, it's conservative content that performs way better than left-wing content if it wasn't for all the algorithm changes and all the games and the thumb on the scale that Facebook plays.

00:15:44.000 Instead, the Institute for Technology and Civic Life is launching a different program, dubbed the U.S. Alliance for Election Excellence.

00:15:51.000 The 80 million five-year effort is intended to create a network for the nation's thousands of local officials who can apply for aid to improve their technology and processes.

00:16:01.000 It's way smaller, way longer-term, and way less controversial, still not great.

00:16:07.000 Unfortunately, years of underinvestment means that many local departments offer have limited capacity training, whatever.

00:16:15.000 But here's the kicker: the 2020 effort by Zuckerberg amid the COVID-19 pandemic fueled conservative anger.

00:16:22.000 I love the way NBC writes this.

00:16:23.000 They're so dishonest.

00:16:24.000 And distrust of the presidential election outcome.

00:16:27.000 At least eight GOP-controlled states passed laws banning private donations.

00:16:31.000 Suspicion that contributions routinely referred to as Zuckerbucks helped Biden a Democrat has become a staple among those who believe former President Trump's election lies.

00:16:41.000 Are you NBC?

00:16:43.000 Hey, who wrote this thing?

00:16:44.000 The Associated Press?

00:16:46.000 Why don't you guys come on my show?

00:16:48.000 Would love to talk to you about the election lies.

00:16:51.000 I'll show you a video of a mule after mule after mule after a mule.

00:16:55.000 You could show me if that's okay, of where you see people at three o'clock in the morning coming out with 10 ballots, taking pictures of the ballots with latex gloves on, going up to the ballot drop boxes, stuffing them in there, taking the latex gloves off and getting back in the car and taking pictures of the ballot so they get paid.

00:17:09.000 With us right now is the head of a phenomenal organization, one of the most important organizations in America, Judicial Watch, which is fighting for the country, fighting for citizens' basic rights and rooting out corruption wherever it rears its ugly head.

00:17:27.000 Tom Fitton is with us.

00:17:28.000 Tom, welcome back to the program.

00:17:30.000 Hey, Charlie, good to be with you again.

00:17:32.000 Thanks for that gracious introduction.

00:17:34.000 Well, I mean it.

00:17:34.000 Everyone should go to judicialwatch.org and help out any way they can.

00:17:38.000 So Tom, there's a lot of topics I want to cover with you.

00:17:40.000 We'll kind of do a rapid-fire deal.

00:17:42.000 Let's start with what was called the Whitmer kidnapping case.

00:17:48.000 This is something that I believe was direct election interference.

00:17:52.000 Every single one of the defendants got off.

00:17:55.000 What do we know about this and why is it important?

00:17:58.000 Well, what we know is that there were more FBI informants involved in the plot, it looks like, than the number of actual defendants in the purported plot.

00:18:08.000 We also know that a jury in Michigan was convinced that there was no there there and that they were convinced there was entrapment by the FBI for at least two of the defendants who were let off entirely, acquitted, and two others, their charges resulted in a hung jury.

00:18:27.000 So it's a historic rejection of the FBI and the Justice Department's willingness to engage in entrapment, as you point out, in order to score political points against their political opponents, namely people perceived to be Trump supporters.

00:18:48.000 So they came into this group that were evidently saying all sorts of odd and probably inappropriate things online, but they were seen as Trump supporters and anti and those opposed to the COVID shutdowns going on there in Michigan.

00:19:04.000 And the defense made the argument that, look, these guys were not in a position to do anything and the plot only advanced in a substantive way with the intervention of FBI informants and the help of FBI informants.

00:19:19.000 And the jury bought it.

00:19:20.000 And you highlight that this was used.

00:19:24.000 You know, we can't take away the politics.

00:19:26.000 So they had this scheme that was developed by the FBI that conveniently came to a head just shortly before the November 2020 elections.

00:19:37.000 And so when those arrests were made, and the headlines were shocking.

00:19:41.000 There was this horrible plot to kidnap and kill people in order to kidnap the governor of Michigan, a Democrat hero at the time.

00:19:50.000 And so the Democratic politicians took advantage of it and used it as a cudgel against then-candidate Trump.

00:19:58.000 And, you know, it's one of those, if but for that, maybe the numbers of the, in terms of the votes might have been different in certain states.

00:20:09.000 Who knows?

00:20:10.000 Yeah, and I mean, it's just, it's a loss for the FBI, which we must focus on.

00:20:14.000 They hate losing in court.

00:20:17.000 And they lost because, not just because the case was weak, but it was fabricated.

00:20:21.000 It was an entrapment case.

00:20:22.000 And we're starting to see this with some of the January 6th defendants, that one in particular got off recently by a judge who said it's very clear that you were let into the Capitol by police officers.

00:20:35.000 Yeah.

00:20:35.000 And the question is, how many other circumstances or how many other defendants should have been treated accordingly?

00:20:42.000 Meaning, look, they were in places they weren't supposed to be, but there was no harm, no foul.

00:20:47.000 They didn't commit violence to get there.

00:20:50.000 And they were let in, as you're highlighting, by the police.

00:20:53.000 And that didn't seem to stop the Justice Department from trying to put people in jail after federal prosecutions.

00:21:00.000 So you can't distinguish or make a distinction, especially since you have some of the same FBI officials involved in the January 6th prosecutions as were involved in this Whitmer scam.

00:21:13.000 You can't make a distinction between the FBI that would put people in jail based on an FBI plot and a fake crime with the handling of some of these or many of these January 6th prosecutions.

00:21:28.000 Do you think that what happened in Michigan, because there was a weird through line between the person that was either the DA or the head FBI agent, had any connection to January 6th?

00:21:38.000 I don't think there's an explicit connection, but this is a group of people who are willing to, let's put it charitably, to go up to the line, if not over it, in prosecuting certain political opponents.

00:21:55.000 And for the deep state, Trump supporters are political opponents, and they've used January 6 as a pretext and an excuse to smear anyone who has concerns about election integrity, anyone who opposes pretty much any element of the Biden agenda or the radical left agenda that Biden's helping promote.

00:22:17.000 So you saw that with the targeting of folks who were really unable to defend themselves because this is something they were obviously easy to target, but they were opposed to the COVID lockdowns.

00:22:32.000 Oh, well, there's a useful target there.

00:22:34.000 Let's make an issue of them.

00:22:36.000 And by concocting and encouraging them to engage in this plot against Governor Whitmer.

00:22:43.000 And what I think is disturbing about this is that you had the FBI informants and the evidence is strong.

00:22:49.000 I mean, I'm not making this up, Charlie, and I know you're not, based on our just our own analysis.

00:22:56.000 I mean, BuzzFeed News has exposed this.

00:23:00.000 And, you know, BuzzFeed is no friend of conservatives, but they saw what was going on there and they've been front and center in exposing this, is that when you have the FBI encouraging criminal activity like this that otherwise wouldn't take place, you know, they give themselves pats on the back for stopping it, right?

00:23:18.000 Well, you know, that's just whistling past the graveyard because it could have gone south.

00:23:24.000 There could have been other criminal activity that took place because of the FBI's encouraging this plot.

00:23:33.000 And we're lucky nothing serious happened as a result of the FBI's machinations here.

00:23:39.000 So I want to shift gears here.

00:23:41.000 Again, it's judicialwatch.org.

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00:23:45.000 You had an amazing court victory in California that I think a lot of people were relieved to see.

00:23:51.000 Tell us about it.

00:23:52.000 It's a victory against racism and a victory against bigotry and a victory against the forcing of those things.

00:23:59.000 Yeah, this is a big loss for critical victory, a critical theory, right?

00:24:02.000 Yes.

00:24:03.000 So California has a law or had a law that required public corporations in California to set aside certain corporate board slots for people based on their ethnic status, racial status, or LGBT status.

00:24:19.000 Meeting Charlie, you couldn't apply for certain board slots.

00:24:22.000 I couldn't apply.

00:24:25.000 Actually, certain minorities couldn't apply if they weren't on the approved minorities list.

00:24:30.000 And it's widely unconstitutional.

00:24:33.000 It's not only at the federal level, but the California Constitution even has even broader protections and prohibitions on this sort of race-based decision-making and hiring practices.

00:24:43.000 And I just can't believe we had to go to court in the year 2021, 2022 to argue why, on behalf of taxpayers in California, why it was illegal for California to require corporate boards, pick people according to their race and select people and hire people based on their race or, you know, other improper classifications for the purposes of hiring.

00:25:06.000 And the court agreed.

00:25:07.000 We didn't even have to go to trial on it.

00:25:09.000 You know, and separately, we had a separate case that did go to trial over a gender requirement.

00:25:16.000 So they started off saying, we're going to require gender quotas.

00:25:21.000 And then they expanded it with a subsequent law.

00:25:23.000 And everyone knew it was constitutionally suspect, but the left did whatever they want to do.

00:25:28.000 And they thought they could get away with it and see how far it would go.

00:25:30.000 And thankfully, this court judge said, you can't do this.

00:25:35.000 And we'll see what happens next.

00:25:37.000 But when you had state-ordered discrimination, really radical an approach, you know, all under the guise of diversity, right?

00:25:46.000 And when you look at the arguments, it's straight out of critical theory.

00:25:50.000 Yeah, so I guess my court rejected it.

00:25:52.000 My question is, how does that differ then from affirmative action?

00:25:55.000 Or would this actually maybe help set the precedent to reverse some affirmative action rules?

00:26:00.000 Well, you know, in theory, you could have an affirmative action program.

00:26:04.000 You say you look at a job qualification and you say, you know, look, we only have certain people of ethnicity, certain ethnicities or color or racial classifications applying for this job.

00:26:15.000 Why is that?

00:26:16.000 Are we advertising it appropriately?

00:26:21.000 Are we putting in requirements for the job that aren't necessary, but that unnecessarily kind of limit the number of people or the demographics of people who would apply?

00:26:31.000 You know, that's legitimate affirmative action, making jobs broadly available and ensuring that you're reaching out to every qualified applicant.

00:26:41.000 What's different about this, this wasn't an affirmative action.

00:26:44.000 This was a quota.

00:26:45.000 And there's a distinction between the two.

00:26:47.000 Now, sometimes affirmative actions, affirmative action programs can be effectively quotas, but you can have affirmative action programs that few would disagree with.

00:26:56.000 But I would just caution, we need to move away from race-based decision-making and hiring and stop with the racial being counting that treats people as individual as members of a group and take thereby taking away their values as individuals, which of course is what the law protects and our Constitution protects.

00:27:17.000 And that's what the court was concerned about.

00:27:18.000 You can't play these group games while ignoring the individual rights of everyone involved.

00:27:24.000 Yeah, and you led the charge in that way at Judicial Watch, and it was going to require the board seats.

00:27:30.000 It's just the whole thing.

00:27:31.000 It's such an overreach.

00:27:33.000 And it's typical California, but you guys won on that, which is just awesome.

00:27:37.000 You also have a lot of laws.

00:27:38.000 And it shows you have to fight everywhere, Charlie.

00:27:40.000 You know, too many on our side say, well, well, California's lost.

00:27:45.000 Well, no one, you know, it's America, so it's never lost.

00:27:49.000 And there's always the rule of law we can rely on.

00:27:52.000 And sometimes it doesn't work out the way we want it to work out.

00:27:55.000 But we always have to fight for our values and fight and be vigilant on behalf of the rule of law.

00:28:01.000 And right now, the left has decided that all laws against racial discrimination and other types of discrimination are on the chopping block.

00:28:10.000 Now, you know, that's an attack on the Constitution, all the federal laws and state and constitutional laws against discrimination, and it would tear the country apart.

00:28:20.000 So these are serious times, and we got to stand fast.

00:28:24.000 I want to talk to you about two other things: John Durham and Elon Musk/slash Twitter.

00:28:29.000 Elon Musk and John Durham, what on earth do they have in common?

00:28:32.000 Well, you know, they're both on the wrong end of the left, you know.

00:28:37.000 And under the Trump administration, special counsels, we were all supposed to fall down and worship them, right?

00:28:43.000 Robert Mueller.

00:28:44.000 Oh, no, John Durham, he can't be trusted, and he's going overboard and prosecuting the Clinton gang, excuse me, the Biden gang.

00:28:53.000 Or I get confused sometimes as to what we're supposed to be prosecuting since they're all tied together.

00:28:58.000 You know, the same thing with Elon Musk.

00:29:00.000 You know, I don't know where he stands on politics.

00:29:03.000 You know, my guess is he has, well, the evidence is he supports free speech, which is kind of like it ought to be the price of entry in terms of public discourse these days.

00:29:15.000 But activist investors were, the left told us were the savior of the corporate world, having these activists come in and demanding accountability from corporations on issues other than the stock price.

00:29:30.000 And here we have Elon Musk doing something similar with Twitter on behalf of First Amendment values by all accounts.

00:29:38.000 And you would think he's Genghis Khan coming in and trying to destroy the internet.

00:29:46.000 But both need to do a lot, in my view.

00:29:48.000 Obviously, Durham's been slow.

00:29:51.000 Three indictments include one which resulted in a kind of a disaster of a plea deal.

00:29:58.000 The two more recent ones have been substantial.

00:30:00.000 But if they're the end of what he's doing, it's going to be week T. They're the beginning.

00:30:05.000 It could be great.

00:30:06.000 Now, Elon Musk, you know, he's putting his money where his mouth is, you know, billions of dollars of investment in Twitter to have a say by all accounts in how Twitter is run and trying to rein in, I would hope, the abuse that Twitter continues in terms of lying about why it's censoring conservatives.

00:30:26.000 And obviously, he's just censoring conservatives.

00:30:29.000 So he can't act soon enough to rein in that abuse by the corporation.

00:30:35.000 You know, I would have, my view is there's liability for the corporation, such as Twitter and these other big tech corporations, you know, not because of Section 230, but because of fraud.

00:30:46.000 You know, they're lying about what they're doing and why they're doing it in terms of censorship.

00:30:50.000 They're lying to users.

00:30:51.000 They're lying to regulators.

00:30:53.000 They're lying to shareholders like Elon Musk.

00:30:56.000 And there needs to be accountability about it for it.

00:31:00.000 So, Tom, we have about two minutes remaining.

00:31:03.000 Coming up the next hour, we have the second part of our, actually, the first part of our conversation airing with Kathy Ingelbrecht and Greg Phillips all about the 2000 meal deal, Dinesh D'Souza's upcoming film.

00:31:13.000 Not sure how familiar you are with that, but what can be done legally at this point to actually arrest some of these people that outwardly committed felonies and get to the bottom of what happened in these key states?

00:31:23.000 Well, if the evidence warrants it, there should be prosecutions at the state level.

00:31:28.000 I mean, the federal government is going to do it.

00:31:29.000 The Biden administration isn't going to undermine its own election story.

00:31:35.000 So you need honest state prosecutors and officials willing to pursue the leads and evidence that have been laid out there.

00:31:44.000 And also eliminate these opportunities for fraud that were put in place largely in 2020 that resulted in what I consider to be a ruined election that people don't have confidence in.

00:31:58.000 Half the country thinks was rigged with good reason.

00:32:02.000 And we can't have disruptions like that anymore.

00:32:06.000 The least we can, you know, if everyone was being honest on both sides and we would work together to make sure that we're confident that the votes are counted of eligible voters in a way that reasonably protects against fraud.

00:32:23.000 One side has zero interest in doing that.

00:32:25.000 In fact, they want to eliminate the few remaining bars to fraud or making it hard, making the few remaining ways to make it more difficult to engage in fraud.

00:32:36.000 It's well said.

00:32:37.000 Tom Fitton from JudicialWatch.org.

00:32:38.000 Tom, thank you so much.

00:32:39.000 Keep up the great work.

00:32:40.000 And we've got to have you back on if Durham ever really moves.

00:32:44.000 I'd like to have you back on and unpack that with you.

00:32:46.000 Thank you so much.

00:32:49.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:32:50.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com and support the Charlie Kirk Show at CharlieKirk.com slash support.

00:32:57.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:32:58.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 13, 2022

Election Fraud, Elon Musk, and the Epic Failure of COVID Lockdowns with Tom Fitton

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