The Charlie Kirk Show - Eliminating Normalcy Bias with Garrett O'Boyle and Kurt Schlichter

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00:00:12.000 The ostrich syndrome, also known as denial.

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00:01:52.000 Garrett O'Boyle, who testified in front of the House Judiciary Committee and the FBI, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, has tried to destroy his life, but he's not letting that happen.

00:02:02.000 Garrett O'Boyle, FBI whistleblower, joins us now.

00:02:05.000 Garrett, God bless you.

00:02:06.000 Welcome to the program.

00:02:07.000 Thanks for having me, Charlie.

00:02:08.000 Garrett, tell your story and talk about what the FBI did to you.

00:02:14.000 Well, open-ended like that.

00:02:15.000 We're going to be here a while.

00:02:18.000 So I started providing protective disclosures to Congress after I started seeing things inside the FBI that were not aligned with my oath to this country and to the Constitution.

00:02:32.000 I think more importantly than that, they also weren't in line with my faith as a Christian.

00:02:38.000 And I just couldn't.

00:02:40.000 I got to a point where I just, I couldn't go on continuing to know that things had gotten so far off the rails in the FBI and day in and day out going and trying to keep my head down and focus on my particular area of things where I could say, hey, well, I'm doing the right thing with my little piece of the puzzle, knowing that there are a multitude of things going wrong inside the agency.

00:03:09.000 Even after I got suspended, they gave me the quote-unquote opportunity to provide a written statement trying to counteract some of the suspension actions against me.

00:03:23.000 And in that statement, I included a verse from James chapter 4 at the end of the chapter.

00:03:28.000 It says, for those who know to do the right thing and fail to do it, for him it is sin.

00:03:34.000 And that is an absolute pillar of my faith.

00:03:38.000 And it's an absolute pillar of the Christian faith.

00:03:41.000 And I think in large part that is the crux of why I started providing those disclosures to Congress.

00:03:48.000 And in retaliatory fashion, they made an allegation against me that has been completely false from the start.

00:03:58.000 I won't get into too many of the details yet since there's ongoing litigation and internal processes with the FBI.

00:04:06.000 But yeah, so they ended up suspending me on false pretenses.

00:04:11.000 And at that initial point, I told them, well, this allegation is not true.

00:04:18.000 And I have been making whistleblower disclosures and protective disclosures to Congress, but they had already made up their mind.

00:04:26.000 And that was in the middle of a transfer from Wichita, Kansas to the Quantico area of Virginia.

00:04:35.000 So I had tried out for a new specialty unit that was being established.

00:04:40.000 And so I tried out.

00:04:41.000 I made it.

00:04:42.000 I got selected for that unit.

00:04:45.000 The FBI let us sell our house.

00:04:49.000 They knew my wife was pregnant at the time, but we still went forward with the transfer in good faith, thinking that there was nothing amiss.

00:05:01.000 I had no idea that this was coming, none at all.

00:05:05.000 But I did find out later that those in my management in the Kansas City field office did.

00:05:11.000 They did know, and they still allowed us to carry on with that transfer and sell our house and have a baby and then let me report before we closed on our new house in Virginia.

00:05:24.000 So we were never able to close on that house because once the lender found out there was an adverse employment action, they wouldn't let us go forward with the loan.

00:05:33.000 So, you know, as I said in my testimony yesterday, they rendered my family homeless with three very young girls and a newborn baby girl as well.

00:05:42.000 And, you know, it has been a very difficult time for me and my family.

00:05:48.000 You know, I'm very grateful.

00:05:50.000 You know, my wife is a true Proverbs 31 woman, if you're familiar with that chapter.

00:05:57.000 Very familiar.

00:05:59.000 I'm just very blessed to have her in my life and my four sweet girls.

00:06:04.000 And, you know, I've said it before, maybe not in my testimony like this, but I don't really care what the FBI does to me.

00:06:16.000 They can do whatever they want.

00:06:18.000 I don't care about me.

00:06:19.000 I'm willing to make those sacrifices, you know, up to and including death on behalf of this nation.

00:06:26.000 I have sworn that oath many times.

00:06:28.000 I have lived that oath in Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:06:32.000 But I didn't swear that oath for the FBI to destroy my family.

00:06:36.000 And so, in large part, fighting for them and fighting for our faith and fighting for the people of this country is really what has brought me here.

00:06:48.000 So, Garrett, that's heroic and courageous.

00:06:51.000 Garrett, can you tell us what were the, as you say in your words, things that were going wrong, the troubling instances that you started to see in the FBI?

00:07:01.000 Can you give us some examples?

00:07:04.000 I can.

00:07:06.000 So, just some of the ones that are public that have been released in the public domain, I can touch on.

00:07:13.000 I was advised to stay away from some of the other things just because they're still protected.

00:07:20.000 And my counsel said, just don't get into stuff that isn't already out in the public domain.

00:07:25.000 So, one of the things in the judiciary report that they released prior to the hearing yesterday from my closed-door deposition back in February, which as an aside, I headed into that deposition under the belief that it was confidential and private, and I was told not to talk about it.

00:07:49.000 And then a few weeks later, my name and limited excerpts of my deposition and even outright falsities and lies and obfuscations were leaked to the media.

00:08:00.000 And so that's how my name first got out there.

00:08:03.000 But anyways, I think a primary example is I had a militia violent extremism case.

00:08:11.000 In actuality, it was one case.

00:08:14.000 But in the FBI, they had me open up four separate cases because there were four individuals involved with that case.

00:08:21.000 Now, for whatever reason, the FBI's policies indicate that for anything terrorism, quote-unquote, terrorism-related, you open a case on each individual.

00:08:31.000 But say I had a case on a gang and I had four people who were part of this gang that I was investigating.

00:08:38.000 You would open one case and you would have a sub-file for each individual, you know, John Doe, one, two, three, and four.

00:08:46.000 But for whatever reason, and I think it's so the FBI can say, look, look at all the terrorism.

00:08:52.000 They can go to Congress and say, we need more money.

00:08:54.000 Look at all the terrorism we have.

00:08:55.000 We have, just in Wichita, Kansas, one agent has four cases.

00:08:59.000 But that's not really true.

00:09:01.000 I think they're hiding the ball there to kind of muddy the waters on what the American people know about the types of crimes that they're actually investigating.

00:09:13.000 And I know after some of that testimony was leaked, the FBI responded and said something to the effect of, you know, that's just false, that we manipulate statistics like that.

00:09:24.000 Okay, they can claim that all they want, but I think the American people need to be the deciding factor here and say, well, if an agent is pretty much submitting every single document that he writes to all four of those cases, why isn't it just one case?

00:09:40.000 Because that's how you would do it in a gang case, for instance.

00:09:44.000 So that's just one example.

00:09:48.000 And I mean, there are many, many others that me and other whistleblowers have talked about, but I think that's a primary one to show that when the FBI says, look at all the terrorism we're investigating, look at all the domestic terrorism.

00:10:00.000 They want to inflate the numbers.

00:10:02.000 Yeah, it's in their best interest to make it seem as if domestic violent extremism is bigger than I.

00:10:07.000 But is there a link for our audience to be able to support you?

00:10:11.000 Yeah.

00:10:11.000 So the one that's being used right now, there's another whistleblower out there.

00:10:15.000 He got suspended long before I did.

00:10:17.000 His name is Kyle Serafin.

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00:10:26.000 Honestly, this has been a very interesting time, and the rush of support that people have been trying to extend does not go unnoticed, and it's very overwhelming.

00:10:37.000 And we're very grateful.

00:10:38.000 But that link, give send go slash Kyle Serifin, is probably best.

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00:11:37.000 Garrett O'Boyle is with us.

00:11:40.000 He is a whistleblower.

00:11:41.000 So Garrett, I'm curious, since you have decided to speak out, what has the response been from friends that you still have in the Bureau?

00:11:49.000 Are there more people that wish they could speak out?

00:11:52.000 I hope so.

00:11:54.000 I don't know if that's the case.

00:11:56.000 So after yesterday, well, first, the last eight months, the amount of people who have reached out have been very, very, very minuscule.

00:12:09.000 And it has been part of the demoralizing aspects of this whole suspension process.

00:12:19.000 I think I honestly think that it's part of their process.

00:12:23.000 They do it on purpose.

00:12:25.000 The process is the punishment, as me and Steve Friend and Kyle Serifin and others have said.

00:12:31.000 And I think they do that on purpose, to make you just want to quit, because then you literally have zero recourse at that point because they say, well, you resigned on your own.

00:12:42.000 And they tell your colleagues that, you know, like I mentioned in my testimony yesterday, I know for certain, I've had it verified by more than one person that my first-line supervisor in Wichita, after I was suspended, had a squad meeting and told all my former colleagues who I worked with for years that I was going to be arrested, charged, and fired.

00:13:06.000 And it's like, he's not privy to that information unless he's part of the investigation, which I would say is probably some type of violation since he's just a local level supervisor, not HR or security division or anything like that.

00:13:22.000 But then he's going and slandering my name to all these people that I used to work with, and that really chilled their speech.

00:13:29.000 It took a while for even the first person to reach out kind of on the side and say, hey, man, I'm sure you're going through a hard time.

00:13:37.000 But then, oddly enough, after yesterday, a small contingent more of people have reached out to me and said, man, I had no idea.

00:13:45.000 They told us not to talk to you and things of that nature.

00:13:48.000 And it's like, well, why?

00:13:50.000 Why would they tell you not to talk to me?

00:13:51.000 You still have a First Amendment right to speak to whoever you want.

00:13:55.000 I can still be your friend and a former colleague, but they chill that speech of those current FBI employees.

00:14:03.000 And it's also sent as a sign and a signal to them.

00:14:08.000 If you step out of line, which I would say whistleblowing isn't stepping out of line, it's a good thing.

00:14:14.000 We're supposed to have people in government who say, hey, this is wrong.

00:14:18.000 The American people need to know about it, so I'm going to go to Congress or any of the other avenues you can go to for a protective disclosure.

00:14:26.000 But instead of the FBI, they say, nope, it reminds me of the Hoover era of the FBI where they just destroy any type of dissent, and they just want yes men, which is, I think, the absolute opposite of what we need in law enforcement.

00:14:44.000 Well, it sure seems like that's what's happening.

00:14:46.000 And do you think that the D.C. field officer, Christopher Wray, is letting this happen or is orchestrating this?

00:14:54.000 You know, I don't know how much he has his hand in it.

00:14:58.000 He has said himself before that he's rather insulated.

00:15:02.000 I think that's also by design.

00:15:04.000 So I think the seventh floor of the Hoover building is really who's running the show, and they're the ones who are squashing this dissent.

00:15:12.000 But as the director of the FBI, he should have a better handle of the organization than to let people under him just destroy people's lives who are trying to shine a light on their darkness.

00:15:27.000 In closing here, one minute remaining.

00:15:30.000 How, if at all, can the FBI be fixed or remedied?

00:15:35.000 You were in a field office before, right, in Kansas, Kansas City, if I'm not mistaken from what you mentioned.

00:15:41.000 And then is this a rot all throughout the FBI?

00:15:46.000 How do we fix this?

00:15:47.000 About one minute remaining.

00:15:50.000 So, I don't know that it's a rot for the whole organization.

00:15:54.000 In Kansas City, in the Kansas City field office, where I was, and the resident agency down in Wichita, and I would imagine most other field offices, by and large, there are decent people who want to do the right thing, but then they get to a point where they're too afraid to speak out about malfeasance in the organization.

00:16:13.000 I think the real rot is the headquarters element and the people we call blue flames inside the organization.

00:16:21.000 So, those are the type of people who just want to get promoted.

00:16:24.000 They don't really care about the Constitution.

00:16:26.000 They don't really care about doing actual work on behalf of the American people.

00:16:30.000 They just like the status and ego that it brings.

00:16:32.000 We have to somehow figure out a way to fix that.

00:16:35.000 Well, I want to thank you for your courage, Garrett.

00:16:37.000 We're going to be sending you an invite and all the FBI whistleblowers to come to our event this summer.

00:16:42.000 And there is a give send-go.

00:16:45.000 People go to givesendgo.com to support the work you're doing and your courage.

00:16:50.000 The left, by the way, the left has an entire nonprofit infrastructure to support whistleblowers.

00:16:55.000 On the right, we have nothing.

00:16:57.000 Again, another wonderful failure of the RNC.

00:16:59.000 Thank you so much.

00:17:00.000 God bless you.

00:17:01.000 Garrett, we have your back.

00:17:02.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:17:03.000 Thank you.

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00:17:15.000 I just hope that your dollar bills are going to be worth something in a couple of years, and that is questionable.

00:17:18.000 But if, like me and many others, you have a little bit of fear that the dollar is going to fall apart, gold is probably a good option.

00:17:27.000 Look, Bank of America, one of the largest banks in the world, is saying gold will rise further still to over $2,200 an ounce.

00:17:33.000 It reached an all-time high not so long ago at $2,069 an ounce.

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00:19:24.000 Kurt Schlichter is with us right now.

00:19:26.000 Kurt, a couple things I want to kind of go through with you.

00:19:29.000 You're super smart.

00:19:30.000 I said in the first hour, my current take on the last week's events, last couple weeks' events, I should say.

00:19:36.000 Tony Blinken with the Intel Letter, 50 Intel officials fraudulently signing that letter, the Elon Musk discoveries from Twitter that FBI and Twitter colluded.

00:19:45.000 And then, of course, the Durham report, which was nothing new, but it was confirmation of what we already knew, is that I believe there's going to be an active seditious conspiracy going in 2024.

00:19:54.000 Kurt, if you were the Democrats and you were at the Aspen Institute and you were whiteboarding the 2024 plan, what are they going to do in your guesstimate to try to interfere with the 2024 election to try to re-implement whomever their candidate is?

00:20:11.000 Well, look, I think you're going to see a multi-pronged attack.

00:20:15.000 The first is, once again, trying to game the system and change the rules.

00:20:20.000 And unfortunately, we as Republicans pick the same person who failed to defend against that in 2020.

00:20:27.000 I've told this story many times before.

00:20:29.000 When I got to Nevada one day after the election in 2020, the GOP had one lawyer on the ground, one guy.

00:20:37.000 He brought his dog.

00:20:38.000 That was nice.

00:20:39.000 But the dog was not a lot of help in spending the six months before the election preparing the battlefield.

00:20:45.000 I have seen zero plan from Rona McDaniel.

00:20:49.000 Maybe there is one, but you know, it would be nice to know it.

00:20:53.000 The second thing that we're going to see is the regime media doing what the regime media does and attempting to destroy whoever they think is going to win the primary.

00:21:03.000 If it's Donald Trump, Donald Trump will be the worst thing in the history of humanity.

00:21:08.000 And if it's Ron DeSantis, Ron DeSantis will even be worse than Donald Trump.

00:21:12.000 And if it's Nikki Haley, a giant meteor is going to hit the earth and it's all going to be over.

00:21:16.000 Anyway, finally, we will see, I have no doubt, the laws and the judicial system used to essentially frame Donald Trump if he's the nominee.

00:21:32.000 And I would not be surprised to see the same thing against anybody who happens to beat Donald Trump in the nomination race.

00:21:39.000 So, you know, those are the kind of three pillars.

00:21:41.000 Exploit the judicial system, regime media, and try and change the election rules.

00:21:47.000 Yeah, so Kurt, they're going to do something.

00:21:50.000 It's going to be a launch seditious conspiracy, and we have to keep talking about it.

00:21:54.000 What is your reaction on the Bearham report then?

00:21:57.000 I mean, I'm bitter over the whole thing.

00:21:59.000 My whole tone this week has been a little bitter, I'll be honest, just because none of these people go to jail.

00:22:05.000 Our wonderful audience has been repeatedly emailing us, Kurt, at freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:22:10.000 Who cares?

00:22:10.000 Book report.

00:22:11.000 Why is no one in jail?

00:22:12.000 And meanwhile, we have to watch our team members, Kurt, go to jail.

00:22:16.000 Moms and dads, pro-life leaders.

00:22:19.000 They've indicted Bannon.

00:22:20.000 I mean, so it creates a sense of cynicism, understandable.

00:22:24.000 Is that unfounded, Kurt?

00:22:27.000 No, cynicism is the appropriate response to this.

00:22:29.000 We need to understand that this is not the same country we grew up with.

00:22:33.000 For those of us my age, it's not even the same country my kids grew up with.

00:22:37.000 This is a different country, a less free country, a country where the institutions have been captured by the left and they are running on residual respect and deference by normal people.

00:22:49.000 You know, I grew up watching Ephraim Zimbless Jr. in the FBI when they were chasing bank robbers and communists, you know, doing God's work.

00:22:57.000 And there's still 20 FBI shows apparently on free TV.

00:23:01.000 Apparently, there are people out there who still watch network TV, as bizarre as that seems.

00:23:06.000 And the people watching those shows really don't understand. 0.99

00:23:09.000 The FBI is a garbage organization whose corruption is only matched by its incompetence. 0.99

00:23:14.000 The institutions we used to believe in have completely betrayed our trust. 1.00

00:23:18.000 That's everything from the military to the judiciary to the freaking guys who make beer. 0.95

00:23:28.000 I don't want to misgender them, Charlie. 0.96

00:23:30.000 I don't want that kind of heat.

00:23:32.000 And to the sports companies, I mean, Adidas have dudes walking around.

00:23:36.000 And so, Kurt, you're touching on something really powerful.

00:23:42.000 And when I talk to the grassroots, the muscular class, the ordinary people, they just have confusion and anger.

00:23:49.000 They do not understand why the Marines have gone woke.

00:23:55.000 They don't get it.

00:23:56.000 And how do you best explain it?

00:23:59.000 I mean, when Miller Light also just comes out, did you see Ford's new commercial, by the way?

00:24:04.000 Ford's idea.

00:24:05.000 Ford's new commercial where they have rainbow pickup trucks and they're celebrating it.

00:24:10.000 It's as if they either don't care or they really care about these ideas and they hate us and they're so untouchable or they've been corrupted by HR departments.

00:24:20.000 And what am I, what are we missing here, Kurt?

00:24:23.000 Well, look, our ruling class, the Ivy League nitwits who do things like get marketing degrees and then get hired at Miller Light or Bud Light or Ford and have absolutely no connection to the actual audience, they are still running on residual respect.

00:24:40.000 I wrote about in town hall this morning.

00:24:42.000 That's a good term.

00:24:43.000 Yeah.

00:24:44.000 That's good.

00:24:45.000 Yeah, people still think things are normal, but that's not, it is unsustainable.

00:24:50.000 Eventually, people are going to wake up and go, why is my truck painted in a rainbow?

00:24:55.000 That's not what I'm about.

00:24:57.000 You know, I'm not an LGBT pound symbol hashtag Z. You know, that's not who I am, and I don't want it.

00:25:08.000 We're still at the point where we're in a glide path before normal people say, wait, stop.

00:25:14.000 You and I, we're saying stop already.

00:25:17.000 Look, your audience is base.

00:25:20.000 We all understand the essential corruption of our institutions.

00:25:23.000 They've been taken over by the left.

00:25:25.000 Normal people, the same kind of people who watch NCIS, Rancho, Kookamonga, they don't like politics.

00:25:32.000 They don't want to be part of politics.

00:25:34.000 But you know, politics is going to catch up with them.

00:25:36.000 And when it does, we're going to see a backlash.

00:25:38.000 We see it throughout history.

00:25:40.000 Just go back 50 years, you have Nixon's silent majority.

00:25:43.000 Go back to the 1980s, you see the movement that threw Jimmy Carter out.

00:25:49.000 Jimmy Carter is the only guy who's happy about this, Charlie, because, you know, he's finally not going to be the worst president of the last hundred years.

00:25:56.000 So, you know, Jimmy's got that going for him.

00:26:00.000 But we saw it at Tea Party.

00:26:01.000 We saw it in the Trump movement.

00:26:02.000 It is inevitable that normal people will push back.

00:26:06.000 And once that happens, I think we're going to see the institutions either collapse and new ones rise to take their place, or the institutions figure out, yeah, we better change or we're in trouble.

00:26:20.000 So that's very smart.

00:26:22.000 It's enemy occupation of these current cultural institutions.

00:26:26.000 And you're right.

00:26:27.000 I think there's another element to this, though, Kurt.

00:26:31.000 When I talk to normies and I show them all this, there's a resistance because it's almost as if they started to believe what we believe their life would get less comfortable.

00:26:47.000 That it's as if the, oh, no, everything's fine.

00:26:51.000 And let's just go drink Chardonnay at the local restaurant.

00:26:55.000 The denial is very comforting.

00:26:57.000 It's not as bad.

00:26:57.000 That Charlie Kirk guy and that Kurt Schlichter guy, they're always over-exaggerating stuff.

00:27:01.000 And I mean, come on, it's just fine.

00:27:03.000 And not to, I mean, just forgetting we just lived through three years of dystopian insanity, hell of the masks, the lockdowns, the vaccines, and nobody wants to remember it.

00:27:16.000 But I think that's part of it.

00:27:17.000 I think it's a temperamental issue too, Kurt, where people want, they find comfort in the denial.

00:27:25.000 Yes.

00:27:25.000 Look, it's human nature, Charlie, because if you accept that our institutions are run by a bunch of cultural communists who hate us, and if you put Dylan Mulvaney on a beer can, you hate beer drinkers.

00:27:39.000 All right. 1.00

00:27:39.000 You're telling them, screw you, I'm shoving this down your throat. 1.00

00:27:43.000 Okay. 1.00

00:27:45.000 This is the Mike Pence.

00:27:46.000 This is the whole basis of Mike Pence's soon-to-be humiliating campaign failure, which is if we shut our eyes real tight and pretend real hard, we can go back to 2005.

00:28:01.000 But you can't.

00:28:03.000 But it isn't going to happen.

00:28:06.000 And people are going to have to accept that.

00:28:08.000 Here's the problem.

00:28:08.000 And again, I wrote about in town hall, the normalcy bias.

00:28:12.000 If you accept that things have changed fundamentally for the worse, you are therefore required to do something.

00:28:21.000 And you look at a lot of, you look at a lot of our Republican politicians and a lot of the conservative guys, and it's like, well, I don't want to actually have to fight.

00:28:29.000 Look, yet, when you see somebody go, well, you know, this guy in the subway, we have to see how the judicial system works.

00:28:36.000 And if we question the judicial system, it'll all collapse.

00:28:40.000 Dude, it's rubble already.

00:28:42.000 Our job is to make the rubble bounce and then to clear the rubble and then to build a real one-tiered justice system on that ground.

00:28:55.000 Kurt, institutionalism is the current orthodoxy of the American elite.

00:29:03.000 And it has really turned into wishful thinking.

00:29:06.000 I mean, you see it with Lady Graham, right?

00:29:08.000 Lady Graham from South Carolina.

00:29:10.000 He comes out and he says, well, the FBI has told me they're sorry.

00:29:14.000 That's his response.

00:29:15.000 That they're sorry.

00:29:16.000 Oh, boy.

00:29:17.000 You know, they're sorry in every sense of the word.

00:29:21.000 Here's the thing.

00:29:22.000 A lot of these guys want to believe in institutions.

00:29:25.000 Just a few bad apples.

00:29:26.000 What they don't understand is the institutions have been taken over by people who stopped doing their job and started doing leftism.

00:29:33.000 It's like a cell and a virus.

00:29:35.000 Virus comes along, infests the cell, kills the cell, but uses the cell's machinery to pump out more virus.

00:29:43.000 That's what leftists do.

00:29:44.000 They take one institution, they turn it into a machine to pump out more leftism, and all the other institutions around it get infected.

00:29:53.000 None of this is a surprise if you understand how communists work, but it is unsustainable in the long term when people are aware of it and when they act.

00:30:04.000 And eventually they will act because I just don't see Americans going, well, you know, this experiment in freedom and liberty and civil rights and all that stuff.

00:30:13.000 It was fun while it lasted, but I'm going to sit down, watch, you know, FBI, the revenge on CBS at nine o'clock with a glass of Zima or bloodlight and just, you know, and enjoy being a serf.

00:30:30.000 I just don't see it.

00:30:33.000 Normalcy bias is a powerful way to summarize it, that it is the human condition.

00:30:40.000 It's that meme where it's just, it's all fine.

00:30:44.000 Everything is just fine.

00:30:45.000 It's all burning around you.

00:30:46.000 This is fine.

00:30:46.000 This is great.

00:30:48.000 The little dog with a coffee.

00:30:49.000 No, that's right. 0.97

00:30:50.000 No, let's get that one up there.

00:30:51.000 It's the ostrich with the head in its sand.

00:30:53.000 The country is largely the ostrich with the head in the sand because normalcy bias can keep you in denial and comfort.

00:31:00.000 I see it all the time amongst the normies.

00:31:02.000 And part of the awakening is get, hey, you're going to have to get a little uncomfortable.

00:31:07.000 You're going to have to recognize the Blitzkrieg is underway.

00:31:10.000 That's not Blitzkrieg.

00:31:11.000 That's a thunderstorm.

00:31:12.000 They're bombing London.

00:31:14.000 No, it's not.

00:31:15.000 Yes.

00:31:15.000 No, they're not.

00:31:17.000 Everything's fine.

00:31:18.000 St. Peters is on fire, but everything's great.

00:31:21.000 Oh, Piccadilly Square just exploded.

00:31:23.000 No, everything's good to go.

00:31:26.000 Cheerio.

00:31:28.000 Plug your book.

00:31:28.000 How can people support you?

00:31:30.000 Well, look, I've got two books going.

00:31:32.000 I have We'll Be Back, The Fall and Rise of America.

00:31:36.000 It's an optimistic look at where we are and where we're going to go.

00:31:40.000 We've talked a lot about how things are tough. 0.98

00:31:42.000 I think we're going to win in the end because we're Americans, damn it. 1.00

00:31:46.000 And these people are too unaccomplished and stupid to lose to. 1.00

00:31:50.000 If you like fun, if you like excitement, and if you want some prophecy, check out the People's Republic series of conservative action novels. 1.00

00:31:57.000 America is split into two, red and blue.

00:32:00.000 And I've got an operator character who goes into the blue area and it's crazy and fun.

00:32:05.000 And there's lots of guns.

00:32:06.000 And I've got seven of the books and the eighths is in the works.

00:32:09.000 And I've sold hundreds of thousands of them.

00:32:12.000 So check out the People's Republic series and read my town hall every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, or Thursday.

00:32:17.000 We're living in a country of normalcy bias where some people say, oh, there's nothing wrong with that.

00:32:22.000 We got to try to shake them awake.

00:32:25.000 You got to wonder when that breaking point happens.

00:32:27.000 So, Kurt, knowing what we know and being uncomfortable with the truth, which is the truth will set you free, but there's definitely some turbulence on the way.

00:32:38.000 How do we then go about waking up other people?

00:32:41.000 This is just a more philosophical question.

00:32:43.000 What is the most effective way?

00:32:44.000 Wait till it hits them.

00:32:45.000 Because you got to wonder, I mean, in California, the old joke is, well, you know, eventually they're going to wake up.

00:32:50.000 Yeah, it doesn't seem that way in LA.

00:32:52.000 It just doesn't. 1.00

00:32:52.000 It's just the same cycle of nonsense and garbage. 1.00

00:32:57.000 How do you then wake people up? 0.99

00:33:00.000 Well, you have to understand that there is no bottom for these leftists.

00:33:03.000 Look at Venezuela.

00:33:04.000 You had people actually breaking into the zoo to eat zebras because they had no meat.

00:33:09.000 And if you actually care about your people and you see them breaking into the zoos to eat zebras because they have no meat, you're going to say, maybe my socialist stuff doesn't work.

00:33:17.000 But that's not what socialists think.

00:33:19.000 Socialists are about one thing, power for the socialists.

00:33:23.000 So they are never going to come around.

00:33:25.000 It's normal people who are going to have to come around.

00:33:27.000 And look, I'm a student of history.

00:33:30.000 All right.

00:33:30.000 And things that can't go on do not go on.

00:33:35.000 Things are going to get worse and then people are going to push back.

00:33:38.000 We saw 25 years ago in New York City, a complete renaissance.

00:33:43.000 New York of the 70s and 80s, if you've seen Taxi Driver, that kind of sums it up.

00:33:49.000 It was an urban hellhole of foulness and violence and crime.

00:33:52.000 And a guy named Rudy Giuliani came in and cleaned it up.

00:33:56.000 And he came in because the people got sick of it.

00:33:59.000 And the most left-wing city on earth, or one of them, elected a moderate Republican who actually believed that criminals belong in jail.

00:34:06.000 And he cleaned up the city and it became a show place until people were able to get complacent again. 0.80

00:34:12.000 And they put in a bunch of communist mayors who let go to hell.

00:34:16.000 These are cycles, Charlie.

00:34:18.000 They will come around.

00:34:18.000 People can learn because we discuss things with them.

00:34:21.000 Smart people will learn from other people's experience. 0.97

00:34:23.000 Dumb people will learn from pain, but they will learn. 0.98

00:34:28.000 Sure hope that's right. 0.99

00:34:29.000 I think that unfortunately the pain needs to increase in the country because there has just been an unrestricted flow of pleasure for year after year.

00:34:38.000 And people are just so afraid of losing that, including the comfort in the denial.

00:34:42.000 So I want to re-emphasize one thing you said here, Kurt.

00:34:44.000 I mean, you've spent some time in the Republican Party.

00:34:47.000 You know, we're getting a lot of emails.

00:34:48.000 They said, well, Charlie, you're talking about the wargaming on the right.

00:34:51.000 What is the plan for the RNC and the right?

00:34:55.000 Kurt, you and I both know there is no plan, right?

00:34:57.000 There's a bunch of people.

00:35:00.000 I have zero faith in Rona McDaniel.

00:35:02.000 Look, I commanded at the battalion level as an active brigade commander.

00:35:05.000 And one of the things you've got to do is make sure your people, A, know the plan, B, know there is a plan.

00:35:12.000 Guys will fight for you.

00:35:13.000 They'll fight hard, but they want to know you're doing your job as a leader, that you've got some idea of what's going on, that you're just not going to lead them into a wood chipper.

00:35:23.000 Rona, what's the plan?

00:35:24.000 Look, I was not, I wanted Rona out.

00:35:27.000 She lost five times in a row.

00:35:29.000 That was enough for me.

00:35:30.000 Other people disagreed.

00:35:32.000 Fine.

00:35:32.000 There was a fair election.

00:35:33.000 She won. 0.66

00:35:34.000 Great.

00:35:35.000 She's still making the same mistakes that she made before.

00:35:38.000 She needs to come out and say, guys, this is what we're doing.

00:35:43.000 I am telling you what we're doing and how we're doing it so that you can see that your donations aren't being squandered, your time's not being wasted when we ask you to knock on doors and make calls, and that I'm getting stuff ready for the fight we all know is coming.

00:36:00.000 That's what she needs to do as a leader.

00:36:02.000 Instead, she's, I don't know what the hell she's doing, going on TV, talking about policy.

00:36:07.000 I don't care about what Rona McDaniel thinks about policy, not even a little. 0.93

00:36:12.000 It's an administrative job. 1.00

00:36:14.000 What is she doing to set up a logistical foundation that we need to execute the operation that is the 2024 general election?

00:36:23.000 That's all I care about. 0.95

00:36:24.000 And one of the key facets is the legal battle.

00:36:27.000 What is the plan, Rona?

00:36:29.000 What's the plan?

00:36:31.000 We should have an avalanche of lawsuits in Arizona, Wisconsin, and Georgia.

00:36:35.000 And I'm telling you, I'm just going to keep on beating this.

00:36:38.000 We need to identify how they're going to do the 2024 equivalent of Crossfire Hurricane.

00:36:44.000 So let's just work our way backwards.

00:36:47.000 What is the Time magazine article they want to write in December of 2025?

00:36:51.000 The secret, you know, think about it.

00:36:54.000 And then let's try to lay out the elements so we can preempt their shenanigans.

00:36:58.000 Exactly.

00:37:00.000 We have to reverse-engineer their plan and then get in the way of it.

00:37:04.000 Instead, Kurt, 30 seconds, I had a donor call me.

00:37:07.000 He said, Well, Charlie, I think the key is having someone like Tim Scott.

00:37:11.000 Oh, come on.

00:37:12.000 It's not.

00:37:14.000 Tim Scott is a very nice guy.

00:37:16.000 Sweet person.

00:37:17.000 If I had to move, I would call him up and say, help me carry my couch.

00:37:21.000 I'd love him living next door because he'd take me to the airport at 4 a.m.

00:37:24.000 He would.

00:37:25.000 It's not time for a nice guy.

00:37:27.000 Okay.

00:37:27.000 I want a guy who is focused, calculating, and utterly ruthless about exercising legitimate power.

00:37:34.000 I just want to win.

00:37:35.000 That's right.

00:37:36.000 I want to win, and I'm sick of losing.

00:37:39.000 We're out of time.

00:37:39.000 Thanks so much, Kurt.

00:37:40.000 Excellent job today.

00:37:41.000 Thank you.

00:37:42.000 Thanks for having me.

00:37:44.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:37:45.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:37:50.000 Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 20, 2023

Eliminating Normalcy Bias with Garrett O'Boyle and Kurt Schlichter

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