The Charlie Kirk Show - Elon Musk vs. Maoism with Ben Weingarten and Jack Posobiec

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00:01:13.000 There's so much going on with the Twitter saga.

00:01:15.000 In fact, in real time right now, there are more Twitter files being dropped.

00:01:19.000 Twitter files from Barry Weiss, and I'm actually going, our team is going through them in real time, all about staff meetings and Jack Dorsey and Vijaya Gaddi answering staff questions as to why Trump wasn't banned yet.

00:01:30.000 There's a lot of drama here.

00:01:33.000 But joining us now from Real Clear Investigations is Ben Weigarton.

00:01:37.000 Ben, welcome back to the program.

00:01:38.000 Charlie, thanks for having me.

00:01:39.000 It's always a pleasure.

00:01:40.000 Okay, so Ben, how read up are you on these recent Twitter files?

00:01:43.000 Hard to kind of track this while also hosting a show.

00:01:45.000 Anything new or scintillating that has been broken today?

00:01:49.000 I think a lot of this is more of the same.

00:01:52.000 What we see here are the deliberations of Twitter's speech police in the immediate days, 48 hours after January 6th, 2021.

00:02:03.000 And we see more of this sort of thought crime ad libbing here in the way of executives not being able to find something in their terms of service to justify Trump stretching for incitement or insurrection grounds to try and justify something, which as Barry Weiss rightly notes in this latest threat of tweets, at least as far as I've gotten, that other world leaders were never subjected to the kind of standard that employees were clamoring for when it came to Trump.

00:02:33.000 And I think it shows you how ad hoc and arbitrary they were here in their censorship, as we've seen in some of the other files.

00:02:42.000 And maybe the most revealing thing is the dissent internally from one unnamed Chinese employee who basically says, isn't this kind of what we do in communist countries?

00:02:52.000 Aren't there problems when it comes to chilling the speech of leaders?

00:02:55.000 Isn't more speech better than less speech?

00:02:58.000 So, but I think it shows you the kind of show me the man and I'll show you the thought crime view that prevailed within Twitter.

00:02:58.000 Et cetera.

00:03:06.000 And there's something, I believe it's quoted to the effect of one employee talking about the fact that essentially that the company came around to the view that this is like a terrorist leader leading a terror army.

00:03:19.000 And that is really significant.

00:03:20.000 And I think it's really significant.

00:03:22.000 I'm not quoting directly there, but paraphrasing.

00:03:25.000 That's significant because that is the very same standard essentially that our national security apparatus has increasingly applied to dissenters on a whole view of issues, not just MAGA dissenters, but people who dissent on the prevailing COVID orthodoxy, or obviously when it comes to teaching and indoctrinating kids in racial Marxism, CRT, in schools, it's the very same standard.

00:03:51.000 And that mind meld with the national security apparatus is important because as we know, you had ex-deep state officials working in a variety of positions at Twitter, including Jim Baker.

00:04:03.000 And I wrote about this in an article in the New York Post over the weekend about the revolving door between the deep state and big tech.

00:04:09.000 But you also, of course, had the national security apparatus in real time having these weekly meetings with executives at Twitter, at Facebook, and beyond, flagging for them content that they should strongly consider censoring.

00:04:24.000 And they did, of course.

00:04:25.000 And that collusion there, in my view, is a conspiracy to violate the First Amendment against dissenters.

00:04:32.000 The national security apparatus justifies it on the idea that speech is danger.

00:04:37.000 The big tech folks say speech is harmful and thus we need to curb that harm.

00:04:42.000 And so there's a mind meld there.

00:04:44.000 And what it amounts to is a conspiracy against the First Amendment and dissent in this country.

00:04:49.000 And I think it's the tip of the spear of the war on wrongthink that we've been embroiled in now for several years.

00:04:54.000 So I'm reading one of these Slack channels and the names are blurred out.

00:04:59.000 So this one person is justifying banning Trump by saying, well, we started labeling restricting his tweets, his being Donald Trump, when they became a threat to democracy.

00:05:12.000 Now, mind you, this is January 7th, 2021.

00:05:17.000 And it seemed like our red line, that was our red line.

00:05:19.000 Yesterday, he was clearly attempting to overthrow our democratic system of government and showed no sign of remorse.

00:05:26.000 If this is not a clear reason to suspend him, again, as an unhinged ruler attempting to subvert the most powerful democracy in the world, I'm not sure what would be.

00:05:36.000 So I'm positive that whoever's writing this went to some Ivy League institution or Caltech or UC Berkeley.

00:05:45.000 What I find to be striking, though, is in reading these Slack channels, the less sexy lead, in my opinion, is the diction, the word choice, the language they use is carbon copy of that of the regime media, the Washington Post and the New York Times, as if it was uploaded into their brain and then regurgitated into the actions of who we should censor. 0.52

00:06:12.000 Ben, your thoughts on that?

00:06:14.000 I think you're absolutely right.

00:06:15.000 They all speak in the same sort of tongue.

00:06:19.000 And, you know, to extend this kind of mind-meld paradigm that I think we're getting a window into here from these files, which are essentially confirming everything that we assumed and that we could glean from the public statements and what was printed by the deep state stenographers at WAPO and elsewhere,

00:06:38.000 is it's really kind of Chinese communist-like in the language that they use, you know, a threat to the state, a threat to stability, threat to our democracy, et cetera.

00:06:51.000 That sort of language and that sort of justification for a crackdown is exactly the kind of language, the orientation that you would have when you look at Chinese Communist Party mouthpieces, rags. 0.90

00:07:04.000 And to me, one of the big takeaways is, you know, why is how is it that our ruling class on the one hand is completely woke and endorses wokeness, but on the other hand, has no problem doing all manner of business, literal and figurative, with the CCP.

00:07:18.000 And I think it's in part because there's a little bit of envy in terms of the total control that they have.

00:07:24.000 You know, social credit system with American characteristics.

00:07:27.000 You start to see the makings of that when you have the digital public square and you have your national security apparatus regulating in effect that digital public square.

00:07:38.000 But I think you're right.

00:07:39.000 The language there, the fact that they all speak in the exact same tongue with the same themes.

00:07:46.000 And so there's a question of is that a conspiracy or is that organic?

00:07:50.000 And I think maybe the more disturbing thing is that that's organic.

00:07:53.000 This is for them, you know, true belief.

00:07:56.000 And obviously, there are those who are cynics.

00:07:58.000 No, it's a lot of people.

00:08:00.000 It is.

00:08:01.000 Yeah, it's an anti-religion is how I've kind of come around to think of it.

00:08:06.000 And this for them is virtue.

00:08:09.000 This is kind of their purpose on earth is to purge the earth of wrongthink.

00:08:14.000 But in practice, of course, but in practice, of course, what does that mean?

00:08:18.000 That means silencing and crushing anyone who would dare call out their failures, their corruption, and the consequences of their rule.

00:08:29.000 They want to get rid of all competition, essentially.

00:08:32.000 And that's why I think, by the way, the backlash against Elon Musk has been so widespread and multifaceted, because, God forbid, one piece of the digital public square of any substantially powerful cultural institution is taken out of their hands.

00:08:50.000 That simply can't be allowed to happen.

00:08:52.000 That's why, as I argue in this piece that I mentioned at the New York Post over the weekend, it's telling that you've had so many very senior intelligence community officials come out against big tech antitrust regulation.

00:09:06.000 Most of them, in one way or another, can be tied to the big tech companies themselves.

00:09:11.000 They claim they don't want these companies broken up or regulated in any significant way on national security grounds.

00:09:18.000 But really, I think what you see here is it's in part because the intelligence community was coordinating so closely with all these companies.

00:09:24.000 So God forbid any of them be taken out of their hands potentially.

00:09:28.000 And I think that's a major subtext, substory to the Twitter files that ought to be explored more deeply.

00:09:35.000 Yeah, I think that's really smart.

00:09:36.000 And just to have a little bit of a window into how they process information and how they justify their own beliefs, that's not the scintillating headline.

00:09:47.000 That's not the thing that's going to capture people's attention.

00:09:50.000 But it's remarkably instructive, Ben, to just kind of see how these incredibly elite, well-educated, high IQ, secular, probably childless computer people are like process the complete silencing of half the country.

00:10:13.000 Just how they justify to themselves, how they celebrate it.

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00:11:42.000 So, Ben, you have a really smart piece in the New York Post inside the revolving door between the Democrat deep state and big tech.

00:11:49.000 I think we're only touching the surface of how deep that relationship actually goes.

00:11:56.000 So, what do we know?

00:11:57.000 I mean, talk about the revolving door.

00:11:59.000 The kind of, let's just say, typical or stereotypical revolving door in DC would be, oh, between Raytheon and the Pentagon, or between, but there's actually another revolving door now between Google and government, government and Twitter.

00:12:15.000 Explain.

00:12:16.000 Yeah.

00:12:17.000 The person of Jim Baker, who was the deputy general counsel at Twitter until just several days ago, when Elon Musk found out that he was actually vetting the Twitter files in advance of them being released to the public, and then he gave, I guess, unsatisfactory explanation as to why he was tasked with vetting those files.

00:12:40.000 And we don't know, by the way, and Musk has indicated that some of those files might have been scrubbed or deleted.

00:12:45.000 Jim Baker himself had been the general counsel at the FBI, specifically during the height of Russia Gate.

00:12:52.000 As I describe him, he's sort of a Forrest Gump figure in Russia Gate.

00:12:56.000 They're at virtually every turn of scandal after scandal, hoax after hoax that our national security apparatus continued to foist on us in straining to try and find any shred, iota, of a tie between the president and Vladimir Putin.

00:13:12.000 Baker himself is seen in the Twitter files as justifying the censorship of the New York Post Hunter Biden laptop story internally.

00:13:24.000 And of course, as the number two to Vijayagade is essentially a subordinate to the arguably the top censorship officer, along with ex-officer Yoel Roth and others within the company.

00:13:35.000 But it's very telling that you had the FBI and other national security apparatus agencies, by the way, meeting with the likes of Twitter and others in the run-up to the nuking of the Hunter Biden laptop story.

00:13:47.000 Then you have the former general counsel, top lawyer at the FBI inside of Twitter while the decision was made to censor that story.

00:13:58.000 And of course, all manner of other suppression of Trump-related content and anything conservative, basically, as you well know, because you're a subject of the files yourself.

00:14:07.000 So he was in that position.

00:14:09.000 A main target, I guess, do not amplify.

00:14:11.000 And I just, it's so funny.

00:14:12.000 I was reading, where's this thing right here?

00:14:14.000 I got to show this to you, Ben, because we only have a couple of minutes remaining.

00:14:17.000 So I don't make a habit to go read Pravda or any of these other degenerate low-life papers, but this is what's so amazing, Ben.

00:14:25.000 Okay.

00:14:26.000 This is Rolling Stone, which I don't know why anyone takes them seriously.

00:14:31.000 But you know how that they're covering this?

00:14:33.000 They say the latest Twitter files allege the blacklisting of conservatives.

00:14:38.000 Are we still in the alleging arena, Ben?

00:14:43.000 I think we have more than a few smoking guns here.

00:14:47.000 By the way, I think there are more guns here than there were found on Capitol Hill on January 6th used to justify nuking President Trump's account and the accounts of myriad other people as well.

00:14:58.000 You have document after document here, internal deliberations and beyond, showing here very clearly what they did, which was to suppress views they didn't like in the run-up to a presidential election where they wanted to do everything in their power, as Molly Ball showed in that timepiece, this conspiracy to control the flow of information and to stop the bad orange man from winning again. 0.55

00:15:22.000 That's precisely what we saw happen in this scenario.

00:15:26.000 We're way past alleging.

00:15:28.000 And what this goes to is, again, there's a question of is it organic or is it coordinated?

00:15:33.000 I think there's a case to be made.

00:15:34.000 It's probably a little bit of both in the way of the fact that you have Baker and numerous other people at virtually every big tech company with substantial ties to the national security apparatus.

00:15:44.000 You have people on Capitol Hill like Chuck Schumer, whose kids work in prominent positions within these companies, or Zoe Lofgren on the House side, who oversees antitrust issues on the House Judiciary Committee.

00:15:56.000 Their people are kind of positioned everywhere, and they all have the same view of speech, which is they want to suppress that speech, which constitutes dissent, which they claim is dangerous.

00:16:07.000 And so you have on all sides an anti-speech bent, and it always cuts one way.

00:16:13.000 And so it's a major problem that you have a revolving door here because you're talking about the digital public square.

00:16:18.000 And again, you're talking about First Amendment violations by proxy here.

00:16:22.000 There's obviously corruption in all manner of industries when you have political officials, where they're kids or relatives or on the payroll, and that might influence policy or steer contracts towards a certain company.

00:16:32.000 And of course, we know we've seen that in big tech, but it's even more dangerous when you're talking about the First Amendment itself being eroded by proxy because all of our other liberties rest on that.

00:16:42.000 I wonder what the recourse is going to be, hopefully robust.

00:16:46.000 Thank you so much.

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00:17:52.000 Jack Pasobic is with us.

00:17:54.000 Jack, what do we make out of these latest Twitter files?

00:17:57.000 They're almost being dropped in real time.

00:17:59.000 Catch us up to speed here.

00:18:01.000 And I've had time to go through a few of this latest batch of the Twitter files.

00:18:01.000 Right, Charlie.

00:18:05.000 And at first, I think like a lot of people, I had this thought that, oh, look, we know they banned Trump.

00:18:10.000 We know that they said it was incitement to violence when he said he wasn't going to the inauguration.

00:18:15.000 We've seen it publicly.

00:18:16.000 What's new here?

00:18:18.000 Well, Charlie, there's actually two things that are new here.

00:18:20.000 First of all, was the fact that you did have pushback internally at Twitter from members of the trust and safety team that said unequivocally that they assessed Trump's tweets and did not find any direct or coded incitement to violence.

00:18:39.000 They did not find any of that.

00:18:41.000 And they have that in their own writing.

00:18:42.000 So in order for Twitter to take down not only those tweets, but consider them to be in violation, they actually had to override and overrule their own team.

00:18:51.000 But secondly, Charlie, it's the descent into absolute madness that you see through these exchanges internally.

00:19:01.000 Someone at one point just repeating over and over, and this is in a public work server talking to their bosses.

00:19:08.000 We have to do the right thing and ban the account.

00:19:09.000 We have to do the right thing and ban the account.

00:19:10.000 We have to do the right thing and ban the account, just over and over and over.

00:19:15.000 I want to say tweeting, but I guess it's a slack.

00:19:18.000 Why aren't we doing this?

00:19:19.000 Why aren't we doing this over and over?

00:19:21.000 And just repeating it like some sort of pagan incantation again and again at their bosses.

00:19:26.000 But Charlie, the one that really stood out with me was, and it's blocked out.

00:19:30.000 So I can't tell if it was a guy who said this or a woman who said this, but there is a quote in here that I want to read for you specifically, Charlie.

00:19:40.000 It's from Thursday, January 7th, 2021 at 10 in the morning.

00:19:45.000 I'm guessing that's California time, Pacific time.

00:19:48.000 And this is a quote from a Twitter employee inside the trust and safety team.

00:19:54.000 And I want you to read these words because they struck me so deeply.

00:20:00.000 Maybe because I am from China, I deeply understand how censorship can destroy the public conversation.

00:20:10.000 Maybe because I am from China, I deeply understand how censorship can destroy the public conversation.

00:20:19.000 And you read between the lines there, what they're saying is what you are doing at Twitter is akin to the Chinese Communist Party and the censorship of the internet.

00:20:31.000 And look, understanding the background of Maoism, having lived in China for years speaking Mandarin, I mean, that line specifically, that, you know, for this person, it was amazing to me because they sat back and clearly, and you don't know.

00:20:46.000 And if you've met people from China, they're not outspoken.

00:20:50.000 They're just not outspoken.

00:20:51.000 They're happy to come.

00:20:52.000 They're happy to work.

00:20:53.000 They'll work very hard, but they don't usually like wading into controversy like this.

00:20:58.000 And so that's a very, very nice way for them to put this, probably the nicest way.

00:21:02.000 But when you're hearing someone like that, that should have been an alarm bell going off inside Twitter.

00:21:08.000 And we've got the story up as well at the post-millennial that says essentially Twitter decided to apply their terrorist group strategy to Donald Trump and to Trump supporters in the wake of January 6th that essentially painted him as a terrorist leader.

00:21:28.000 And that all even they use the phrase American patriots as rioters and insurrectionists.

00:21:36.000 And that not only should be banned, but must be banned in order to stop an insurrection.

00:21:42.000 And they wrote, members of the team came to view Trump as the leader of a terrorist group responsible for violence or deaths comparable to the Christ Church shooter or Adolf Hitler himself.

00:21:54.000 And on that basis and on the quote, totality of his tweets, that he should be deplatformed.

00:22:02.000 So even though you've got members of the trust and safety team saying, we've read the tweets, there's no violation.

00:22:07.000 Even though you've got members that have come from China, so you've got Chinese nationals sitting on the team saying, you're acting like the Chinese Communist Party, you had this sort of revolutionary core at the heart of the trust and safety team.

00:22:21.000 And Charlie, we also can't just look at these outside of context because you've got Yoel Roth, who sat at the head of this, and his weekly meetings with the FBI, his weekly meetings with the Department of Homeland Security, that didn't just stop at the election.

00:22:35.000 They continued and intensified after the election.

00:22:39.000 And we have him in his own words from over the weekend saying that he was in meetings with the FBI talking about the status of Trump's account.

00:22:48.000 And so I said this at a speech in New York this weekend, and I've said it on the show today.

00:22:52.000 It looks to me as though this was an asset relationship, that the FBI viewed Yoel Roth as their asset at Twitter.

00:23:02.000 And I'm sure there's Yoel Roths at every single one of these tech firms out there, Wikipedia, Google, take your pick.

00:23:09.000 We know about these connections.

00:23:10.000 Elvis Chen, we've got in his testimony in the Missouri case with Eric Schmidt, saying that he went to Twitter to build relationships with Twitter officials.

00:23:18.000 Yeah, we understand what it means when the FBI says they're building relationships with people.

00:23:24.000 You're being run.

00:23:25.000 You're being run as an intelligence asset.

00:23:25.000 Okay.

00:23:28.000 And when you look at a guy like Yoel Roth, his proclivities, his background, this guy's clearly someone who's mentally unstable, has a ton of triggers that you can push in order to get him to dance on the pin of a needle, right?

00:23:44.000 This guy could easily do whatever they wanted.

00:23:46.000 They knew exactly which way to play him.

00:23:48.000 And he was clearly being handled by the national security state, probably directly by the FBI in all of these meetings.

00:23:55.000 And of course, they were sitting there telling him, I'm sure, saying this is for the good of your country.

00:24:00.000 This is for that you are being a patriot.

00:24:04.000 You are in service to the stars and stripes.

00:24:07.000 You're going to go down in history.

00:24:08.000 You're going to be a hero.

00:24:11.000 In interrogator parlance, you would refer to it as a pride and ego up approach.

00:24:16.000 And so that's to butter somebody up.

00:24:19.000 So, Jack, you alluded this morning that the FBI was willing to look past something else that Yoel might have been focused on.

00:24:29.000 What do you mean by that?

00:24:30.000 Well, I mean, these interests, these very nefarious and sinister interests that we see from Yoel, not only from his tweets from his main account and also, we believe, a burner account, the throwaway account that he seems also to have been public about.

00:24:47.000 He was constantly tweeting about hardcore pornography.

00:24:50.000 He was constantly tweeting about these strange questions about children in the past, including one tweet, which I uncovered over the weekend and Elon Musk later highlighted as well, talking about are there times where a child can consent to engage in sexual relations with their teacher in a classroom setting.

00:25:15.000 And then we go, and Elon Musk, of course, has gotten a lot of heat for posting Yoel Roth's own words from his PhD dissertation talking about the use of the Grindr hookup app and the fact that he uncovered that there were teenagers on the app,

00:25:33.000 but not saying that the teenager should be kicked off of the app or that minors should not be allowed to use a hookup app, but actually how to best protect the users who are on it, how best to protect the users of this hookup app.

00:25:50.000 And so Elon Musk said, you know, this guy doesn't seem to have a problem with minors using a sex app.

00:25:55.000 And so we see these same themes throughout his work.

00:25:59.000 We see these same themes throughout his tenure at Twitter.

00:26:03.000 And this is also something that, you know, you look at in terms of when you want to run an intelligence asset, right?

00:26:09.000 You want to look at, is this a person that we can potentially have leverage over?

00:26:13.000 Is this a person that we can potentially go to them and say, look, we think this person is going to be amenable to our guidelines, amenable to our guidance because of certain behavioral aspects.

00:26:25.000 And that's obviously something that any FBI case officer or profiler would look at and say, well, look, this guy is clearly the target here.

00:26:34.000 And I used to say, I actually tweeted kind of flippantly last night that I used to say that the most obvious person connected to government or public life to compromise that I've ever seen has been Hunter Biden.

00:26:46.000 I mean, anyone can figure out how to compromise him, any intel agency, foreign or domestic.

00:26:50.000 And I used to think Hunter Biden would be the easiest one until I found out about Yole Roth.

00:26:56.000 So Yoel Roth, let's play a piece of tape here.

00:27:00.000 He said one of the reasons that they censored Donald Trump is because of his personal trauma.

00:27:09.000 Now, I hope it's important people recognize and realize no one's picking on Yoel Roth.

00:27:15.000 This guy was the de facto CEO of Twitter, according to Elon Musk.

00:27:19.000 He was one of the most powerful people on the planet.

00:27:22.000 Let's play cut five.

00:27:25.000 The events of the sex happen.

00:27:27.000 And if you talk to content moderators who worked on January 6th, myself included, the word that nearly everybody uses is trauma.

00:27:36.000 We experience those events, not some of us as Americans, but not just as Americans or as citizens, but as people working on sort of how to prevent harm on the internet.

00:27:47.000 And we saw people dead in the Capitol as a whole.

00:27:50.000 Why not before?

00:27:52.000 30 seconds, Jack, your reaction.

00:27:53.000 We'll talk more after the break.

00:27:55.000 I think these are lines that are being fed to him by a handler.

00:27:58.000 I think he's repeating things and then putting it into his own parlance, talking about trauma that he never actually personally experienced.

00:28:06.000 But I think this guy was being handled.

00:28:07.000 And I think those are lines that were fed to him.

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00:29:57.000 Jack, immediately after suspending Trump, they then discussed suspending some people for talking about how vitamins could reduce COVID risk.

00:30:05.000 Tell us about that.

00:30:06.000 Yeah, Charlie, I knew that since this would be right up your alley and I'm pulling through, there's a ton of these messages that have just dropped from Barry Weiss, but this is one that I thought was very interesting because listen to this.

00:30:21.000 Very excited to see us handling more categories of misinformation.

00:30:25.000 So immediately, just like any revolutionary movement, any revolutionary secret committee, once they've purged one of their great enemies, they don't immediately stop and shut down and say, congratulations, we've won the war.

00:30:35.000 No, they move the chains and they decide to do more because you have to keep feeding the alligator.

00:30:39.000 And they wrote, for the longest time, Twitter stance was that we weren't the arbiter of truth, which I respected, but it never gave me a warm, fuzzy feeling because, of course, here we are, absolute power.

00:30:50.000 That said, my dad is an MD and medical misinformation is a really hard topic.

00:30:55.000 Even for COVID-19, we only covered a narrow category of information.

00:30:59.000 As an example is take vitamin C, vitamin D, elderberry, and xylitol with GSE Daily to produce COVID-19 risk, good information, creative marketing, or misinformation.

00:31:12.000 Personally, I'm not sure.

00:31:13.000 And I suspect there are views on both sides.

00:31:16.000 Charlie, they wanted to ban people for saying take vitamin C and vitamin D to reduce your COVID risk.

00:31:21.000 They were actually talking about even in January of 2021, which remember, this is right as the vaccine push was beginning.

00:31:30.000 They were immediately talking about banning people.

00:31:33.000 And again, I'm not just saying, I'm not just saying reducing the reach or slapping someone on one of the secret lists like they did to you, the Do Not Amplify.

00:31:42.000 They're actually talking about taking down accounts for this.

00:31:46.000 And so, Jack, one of the things.

00:31:46.000 Yeah.

00:31:48.000 So someone messaged me the other day and I said, Charlie, I don't understand why this is such a big deal.

00:31:51.000 We've known for a while that they were kicking people off of Twitter, but privately and secretly assigning threat tags of non-amplification or non-searching or non-trending, such as Bongino, myself, and Bhattachara, that was all done without our knowledge.

00:32:09.000 So it's censorship without, of course, not consent, but without any sort of awareness.

00:32:15.000 Now, for example, if I were to be banned off of Twitter, then I would just go spend my time somewhere else.

00:32:20.000 But they did it in a way, almost these sneaky half measures.

00:32:24.000 Your thoughts on that, Jack?

00:32:25.000 Well, they do it for a purpose, right?

00:32:27.000 Because they want you to continue to try to use the platform.

00:32:31.000 And they also don't, they also probably know that given your, let's say, given your other platforms that you have out there, like this show, like so many others, they don't want to make you a martyr.

00:32:43.000 They don't want you to have the ability to turn around and say, look, I've been taken off of Twitter.

00:32:48.000 Then, you know, you can go to Congress.

00:32:49.000 You can go to other officials to be able to deal with this.

00:32:52.000 No, they did it behind the scenes because they wanted to take you down, but they didn't want to do it in such a way that you would be able to actually action it.

00:33:01.000 Or publicize it or call them out for it, et cetera, et cetera.

00:33:06.000 This is a different level of treachery than just banning somebody because it shows that they're actually cowards, isn't it?

00:33:12.000 It shows that it was done below the radar.

00:33:15.000 Can you build that out a little bit more, Jack?

00:33:17.000 Because people say, oh, yeah, Twitter censored you.

00:33:19.000 I said, no, no, no.

00:33:20.000 And not only did they censor me, they were too afraid to censor me and then also tell the world they censored me.

00:33:30.000 It's actually amazing to see these committees and the way they act.

00:33:33.000 I mean, you saw these revolutionary committees be set up during the Cultural Revolution when Chairman Mao decided to go after members of his own party.

00:33:42.000 And numerous levels of punishment were taken on them up to the level of public execution, by the way.

00:33:49.000 But at the same time, you had situations where people like Deng Xiaoping, for example, were purged.

00:33:56.000 But because his support level was so high, he eventually just sort of escaped into the countryside.

00:34:01.000 And Deng had this sort of, he had a train with one locomotive and one car on it that he would just kind of use to travel around in the countryside.

00:34:09.000 And that's what they want for you, Charlie.

00:34:11.000 They want you to be, they put you in exile.

00:34:13.000 They're not going to give you the publicity.

00:34:16.000 They're not going to give you the honor, right, of a public trial or a public execution.

00:34:22.000 They're just going to exile you and put you off on one of these islands, like John the Apostle on Patmos, right?

00:34:28.000 And you get stuck there.

00:34:30.000 Or Napoleon on Elba.

00:34:31.000 Napoleon and Elba, exactly.

00:34:33.000 Well, he got off Elba.

00:34:34.000 And then they eventually, well, then the last time we got there, some interesting diaries from that.

00:34:40.000 And they want you to know that you are not able to speak, but they also don't want other people to know that.

00:34:50.000 And because I'm sure, Charlie, that you would get it every day.

00:34:52.000 And that's why I don't talk about it even when I get shadow banned for this very reason, because I know that if I say, oh, I'm shadow banned, then the immediate response, even from people on our own side, is, oh, you're just complaining.

00:35:02.000 Your account is fine.

00:35:03.000 Your tweets aren't good enough.

00:35:05.000 You're just not relevant anymore.

00:35:07.000 That's what, no, it's not what it was at all.

00:35:10.000 Jack, great job.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - December 13, 2022

Elon Musk vs. Maoism with Ben Weingarten and Jack Posobiec

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