Today on the Charlie Kirk Show: Elon comes out against it, Senator Ron Johnson is against it. Why is that? We analyze it, and I want to hear from you, Freedom at CharlieKirkShow.
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00:03:59.000I could do a whole show about art and how we have lost the plot when it comes to art.
00:04:04.000Roger Scruton, may he rest in peace, had one of the best documentaries and books and analyses on how we in the West have decided to embrace the ugly.
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00:04:37.000I could do a whole speech on this, but I thought it was quite something that we go from The statue of David in Florence is a beautiful symbol of Western civilization.
00:04:50.000Okay, so let's dive into the breaking news.
00:04:55.000So yesterday, Elon Musk, the world's richest man, someone who I have gotten to know and I still get along with, tweeted the tweet heard around the world.
00:05:04.000Now, it was seen over 100 million times on X. Now, to be fair, we sent out a tweet the other day that was seen about 40 million times.
00:05:14.000So, it's not bad, but we also don't own the platform.
00:05:18.000Our tweet was, Islam is not compatible with Western civilization, but 45 million.
00:05:23.000I think that's going to be a topic that I'm going to have to defend for the next couple of years.
00:05:27.000So, Blake, get ready and you read the Hadith for me.
00:05:31.000However, Elon Musk sends out this tweet, and I want to analyze this, and I want to make sure that we are understanding Elon's perspective correctly.
00:05:38.000The media is completely unhelpful here, and I think I can offer some unique insight.
00:05:43.000Having being a proponent of the Big Beautiful Bill, having be someone who is friendly with Elon and thinks that Elon has really delivered a civilizational blessing to us by liberating X and helping President Trump get elected, I think I'm in a unique spot to actually explain this.
00:06:52.000It is a reconciliation bill, which means you have to reconcile two different budgetary years together, combine them.
00:07:00.000And you can add some spending and cut some spending, but it must pass what is called the Byrd Rule in the Senate, and it must be budgetary related.
00:07:09.000Now, what is Elon getting at here is something that I think that is important, though.
00:07:13.000And we have Senator Ron Johnson that will be joining us in the segment after this, who I think is articulating a lot of these views.
00:07:19.000I don't necessarily share them to the same extent.
00:07:22.000Because I am still a big proponent of this bill, largely because of the immigration wins and because of the no tax on tips and the tax cut stuff.
00:07:40.000He said, quote, Now, as a pause and as a side note, I literally got my start.
00:07:49.000As an advocate and as an activist back in 2011 and 2012, when I was in high school in the suburbs of Chicago, talking about the ballooning national debt.
00:07:59.000If we as conservatives are serious, we must be fiscal hawks.
00:08:07.000It is by far one of the greatest, if not the greatest, national security threats.
00:08:13.000We should go back to baseline budgeting.
00:08:15.000We should go back to zero-based budgeting.
00:08:17.000We have been saying this for the last 13 years.
00:08:19.000When I started Turning Point USA, the national debt was hovering around $8 to $9 trillion when I first started debt advocacy in sophomore or junior high school.
00:08:31.000And then when I graduated high school, I think it was around $13 trillion.
00:09:13.000Is that Elon got into this political game for a couple reasons.
00:09:18.000One of which is he is intensely focused on balancing the budget.
00:09:23.000He is, you cannot get him off of this topic.
00:09:28.000When I've talked to him privately, when I've had dinner with him, when I've had lunch with him, when we text, the number one concern that Elon Musk has is we are going to be a nation in bankruptcy if we do not have severe and dramatic cuts.
00:09:43.000Now, one thing Elon Musk also simultaneously understand, and I would tell him if he was sitting right here, is unfortunately we have a bunch of moderate Republicans in the House of Representatives and a three-seat majority that have no stomach, no concern.
00:09:56.000They have no interest whatsoever in cutting spending.
00:10:31.000But I'm going to explain this even more and talk about the fiscal apocalypse that we are careening towards.
00:10:37.000And then I'm going to talk about Stephen Miller's retort.
00:10:41.000I agree with the language that Elon put forward in his tweet, but I'm going to explain because still a lot of people in our audience feel this way.
00:10:47.000a lot of people in the base are saying, why are we not cutting more spending?
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00:11:56.000Live shot of Elon Musk last night on X, play cut 353.
00:12:00.000I want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it, and stick your head out and yell, I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!
00:12:12.000Live shot of Elon Musk on X. Stephen Miller responds, and Stephen Miller, this is why I'm in support of the big, beautiful bill.
00:12:19.000And while I understand Elon's critique and I even sympathize with his analysis, you must understand there's other things at play.
00:12:38.000Full extension and expansion of the Trump tax cuts.
00:12:41.000This is what CBO's scoring, not spending.
00:12:43.000Tax cuts, the one we campaigned on and pledged.
00:12:46.000The largest welfare reform in history, cutting almost $2 trillion in spending.
00:12:51.000Item one alone, border security plus deportation, makes this the most important legislation for the conservative project in the history of the nation.
00:12:59.000What I don't think the CBO or people are recognizing is we save billions, if not tens of billions of dollars in social services as we continue mass deportations.
00:13:08.000Understand, mass deportations saves money in hospitals, saves money in schools, saves money on infrastructure.
00:13:14.000So make no mistake, deportations are a net benefit financially and fiscally for the American homeland.
00:13:21.000Stephen Miller continues, for saying those due separate bills...
00:13:28.000Each will require 60 votes needing Schumer instead of 50. Reconciliation is a special process each fiscal year where you can make fiscal changes with 50 votes.
00:13:36.000That's why BBB is the vehicle for tax cuts, deportations, and welfare reform.
00:13:40.000Stephen Miller continues by saying the one wrinkle of reconciliation is you can't make discretionary cuts.
00:13:49.000Discretionary cuts happen through a separate process known as rescissions, which we are going to do.
00:13:53.000This is the one part that I would push back on Elon a little bit.
00:13:57.000Is that the reconciliation process can only go after food stamp reform or Medicaid.
00:14:03.000The bureaucracy, like the Department of Education and the Department of Energy, that stuff comes up in a budgetary process or rescissions.
00:14:11.000The Big Beautiful Bill was designed by President Trump and his allies in Congress to deliver on his core campaign pledges to voters, and that's exactly what it does.
00:14:20.000This is the most MAGA bill ever passed by the House, and it's not even close.
00:14:24.000Certain libertarians in Congress who are not MAGA have their own agenda, and it's not yours.
00:14:28.000We're going to hear from Senator Ron Johnson in just a moment his concerns, and we're going to talk about the budgetary process and ask these questions out in the open.
00:14:36.000And look, I see this from both perspectives.
00:14:39.000The bottom line is we love what Elon is saying about fiscal sanity, but we're also pragmatists, and the bill should pass.
00:14:47.000It's a major tax cut that will revitalize the American economy.
00:15:05.000And that is the final point, is that when you only have a two- or three-seat House majority, when you have the same Senate majority as you do a House majority, that should be very sobering for you.
00:15:16.000That should hopefully take a step back and say, oh, okay.
00:15:20.000That doesn't put you in a maximally driver's seat.
00:15:26.000Rand Paul says, quote, Kentuckians sent me here to fight the reckless debt.
00:15:30.000I will not support a $5 trillion increase to our deficit.
00:15:33.000Stephen Miller responded by saying, quote, the score Rand Paul is citing is the size of the tax cut.
00:15:38.000The bill slashing spending is almost $2 trillion.
00:15:41.000Also, why doesn't Rand ever fight this hard to deport illegals?
00:15:47.000We're not getting involved in the name-calling here because I think there's some good-natured concern where people want to see a balanced budget.
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00:18:09.000But the fact of the matter is the debate in the house, it was pretty absent of, Sounds like a big number, but over 10 years, it's really not even a rounding error when you're spending more than $7 trillion a year.
00:18:27.000So again, I'm focusing on the facts and figures.
00:18:29.000That's kind of what I'm doing is forcing the debate in the Senate.
00:18:32.000I've always agreed with Senator Thune that we really needed to do this.
00:18:36.000What we had to do had to be done in a couple different steps.
00:18:39.000It wasn't all going to get done satisfactorily in one step.
00:19:39.000And Charlie, I have to believe when you've gone from $4.4 trillion in 2019 to $7 trillion, there's literally hundreds of billions of dollars lurking in all that spending that if you eliminate it, nobody would even notice it other than the grifters who are sucking down that waste fraud and abuse.
00:19:56.000But you have to do the work, and that's going to take time.
00:21:07.000But again, remember, mandatory is way more than Social Security, Medicare, and even Medicaid.
00:21:11.000There's a trillion dollars of other mandatory spending, which probably should be discretionary, but the meeting party has deviously transferred that into other mandatory, so it's never looked at.
00:21:25.000I've been baffled that every week, based on what Doge has found, that we didn't just send up their weekly I don't understand why they haven't done that.
00:21:38.000But again, you need the American public on your side.
00:21:40.000But what I'm talking about, a budget review panel, forensic audits of every line of the budget, every program, that's going to take a lot of time, but that unlocks all of this.
00:21:49.000So you have to do the work, but you have rescission as long as we've got majorities in this White House.
00:26:22.000And I know that you will agree with that, Senator.
00:26:24.000From border security, deportations, to remittances, to no tax on tips.
00:26:29.000What is your proposal of three or four specific cuts structurally so that you can be satisfied and those of us that are fiscal hawks can also be satisfied while also getting this bill passed?
00:26:41.000Well, first of all, I know we're not going to meet the moment with one bill.
00:28:02.000Take the time to do the work, but also to win public support for what you're doing, rather than jam something through, not have a good response when the Democrats falsely attack it.
00:30:51.000You can read testimonials from other people who have been where you are, how they've escaped, and how you can see what their monthly payments were versus what they are now.
00:34:02.000He was one of the first people ever to support and speak at Turning Point USA, so Ron Johnson is someone that I will defend to my last breath.
00:34:09.000I wish a lot more of this was happening in a closed room.
00:34:12.000What needs to happen is a private gladiatorial match of Ron Johnson, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, all of them in a room, White House staff, no devices, put it in a skiff, and let the...