00:00:17.000As I do this podcast right now, Pastor Rob McCoy is under incredible attack by the secular atheist left trying to arrest him for his Christian beliefs.
00:00:27.000Please email us your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:01:16.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:03:43.000And I'm like, what are you talking about?
00:03:45.000This is the greatest country in the history of the world.
00:03:47.000This is the freest, most prosperous, generous nation that's ever existed.
00:03:52.000This is the culmination of 4,000 years of liberty documents.
00:03:56.000We go all the way back to, you know, Christ and him bringing liberty and Patrick of Ireland and setting Ireland free and all the way through English common law and all this stuff that I've learned.
00:04:06.000And they want to, you know, just kind of say, nope, it's all bad.
00:04:10.000It's all rooted in racism and bigotry and ego.
00:04:14.000And we should just ditch the whole thing and we should go the way of, you know, Stalin?
00:04:21.000I mean, that's how I'm perceiving all of this, going, what's going on?
00:06:31.000And as an atheist, that didn't mean much to me, but the implications of that message really had me asking a lot of questions.
00:06:38.000And I got some great answers to those questions.
00:06:41.000Introduced to guys like Ravi Zacharias and Sean McDowell and read some books like More Than a Carpenter.
00:06:46.000And I started exploring the Bible and Jesus and his claims and became persuaded that he really did rise from the grave, which was crazy for me to think that that could even happen.
00:07:26.000I've got, wait a minute, I've got forgiveness of sin over here.
00:07:32.000I've also got a wife I've been married to that I love dearly for 30 years, six children, and I've been part of projects that I've been passionate about that combine my values, my sensitivities, my sensibilities, and my passions.
00:07:49.000And And I'm still doing cool things like a podcast with Charlie Kirk.
00:07:57.000I get to talk with amazing people and I think, wow, God has been good to me.
00:08:02.000So let's go back to where you started.
00:09:20.000What are the principles that are the non-negotiables?
00:09:23.000And since I couldn't do that, I thought, well, maybe I just start retracing the escape route of the pilgrims and find out who they were and why they came here.
00:09:35.000And as I did that, I found out that these were free thinkers.
00:09:38.000These weren't religious fuddy duddies that had funny hats and belt buckles on their shoes carrying turkey guns around.
00:09:48.000These were faith-filled, free thinking people who had gotten a hold of the Geneva Bible and they were studying it for themselves and realizing that the tyrant had overstepped his bounds and they wanted to go to a place where they could find the freedom to create a society that would allow them to worship God, that would have freedom.
00:10:07.000And they eventually got to North America, faced incredible difficulties, and then switched from a social, from what I understand, more of a socialistic construct in the way that they were dealing with their economy to a free market, a free cap, more of a, every guy's owning his own land.
00:10:32.000And so many of the principles that they began to lay down became the template for the free market, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, all these things that we enjoy today.
00:10:45.000Charlie, you rightfully pointed out that one of the most underused individuals in America is Bill Federer.
00:11:30.000And he began telling me about the people of faith down throughout the ages who fought for liberty.
00:11:39.000They weren't just the passive Church mice who just sort of went along to get along and took Romans 13 as just sort of the excuse to just roll over and do whatever the government says.
00:11:55.000And he talked about great people like Alfred the Great, and he talked about Patrick of Ireland, and he talked about so many people who set cultures free by getting the word of God into their hands and applying it to all the different spheres of culture.
00:12:12.000And so he came with me and showed me this incredible monument in Plymouth, Massachusetts, that happens to be, I think, the most important monument in America.
00:13:22.000And it overlooked Plymouth Harbor, and it was supposed to be a test, but then these trees and then, you know, the changing of the demographic.
00:13:28.000And so it's protected, but it is amazing.
00:13:36.000And I'm kicking myself that I didn't, if I had known we were going to be here today, I would have brought one because I've actually made, I hired the Weta workshop who did all the sculpting for Lord of the Rings.
00:13:44.000For the video, we can superimpose it over.
00:14:33.000And so they believe that faith also was not just something that you believed in your heart, but it was something that you used wisdom and you reasoned from the word of God in her hand.
00:14:44.000And that faith would be expressed in four specific ways.
00:15:45.000And Charlie, the book in the judge's hand is directly beneath the book in faith's hand, indicating that man's laws must line up under God's laws or they're not good laws.
00:15:58.000And he's flanked by justice on one side and mercy on the other side.
00:16:03.000And justice is a woman holding scales and a sword.
00:16:11.000Once you have law and you have civility in your country, now you can educate your children.
00:16:17.000And they believed education was critical because if you didn't pass these principles on to the second and third generation, you'd lose them.
00:16:25.000And she has a mother holding the books of knowledge.
00:16:33.000And there she's training up a young person in the way that they should go.
00:16:37.000And on her other side is an old man, wisdom.
00:16:40.000And he's holding a Bible and a globe, indicating he has a biblical worldview.
00:16:45.000Once you've educated your kids, your grandkids, and your great-grandkids in the faith, in morality, and established laws to protect those good values in your country, you now have the fourth figure, which is liberty.
00:16:58.000And he's this just muscular, strong soldier dressed in the full armor that you find in Ephesians chapter 6.
00:17:09.000He's got the breastplate of righteousness, the helmet of salvation, the belt of truth.
00:17:14.000The chains on his wrists and his ankles are broken because tyranny has been overthrown.
00:17:19.000And he's got the lion of England slain, the hide's over his back, the claw is on his shoulder, and he's got the sword back in its sheath because tyranny has been overthrown.
00:17:31.000But he's looking out over the Atlantic Ocean because he's ready to defend anyone who would try to take away his biblical faith, his morality, his laws, or the ability to educate his children in a biblical worldview.
00:17:44.000So the concept of government public education would be anathema to them because they just came away from that whole thing.
00:17:51.000And on his left is his wife, and her name is Peace.
00:17:53.000And she's holding a basket of overflowing with gifts and things for her family and friends.
00:18:00.000And he's liberated both from the internal power of sin and can defeat those inner demons.
00:18:08.000And he's liberated from the external powers of tyranny and bad, big government, which I've learned sucks.
00:19:52.000So, some communist city council can't remove it or something.
00:19:55.000Well, I know that it was originally owned by the city of Plymouth, and then it was given apparently for a dollar to the state of Massachusetts to take care of it.
00:20:06.000And it's like the forgotten stepchild that, you know, it's not manicured very well.
00:20:12.000There was, you know, all kinds of garbage on the top of it.
00:20:17.000The Audubon Society apparently were protecting some form of birds that were making a nest on top of Faith's head, and they were like, there's like bird poop all dripping down her face and everything else.
00:20:26.000And, you know, it's like kind of like the forgotten monument.
00:20:30.000And I think it's one of the most important you could ever find.
00:20:41.000Yeah, I'd love to take you there sometime.
00:20:43.000And I know a guy who runs the museum, and he's there to preserve the real story of the pilgrims.
00:20:50.000And he could give you just the most phenomenal walking tour around that monument.
00:20:56.000It's something where you look at the tenets of faith, law, wisdom, liberty, peace, as you articulated it.
00:21:06.000We're told that everything from that era and from the last hundred years is awful and is nonsense and garbage and should be thrown out and deleted instantaneously.
00:21:15.000And it actually you start to realize that there's a foundation of the ideals that was fought for.
00:21:20.000And it wasn't, it's not insignificant that all these ideas of the West found a launching off point and was deliberately unimplemented.
00:21:33.000I mean, the fact that we can do what we're doing right now, I think, is a result of that.
00:21:39.000And one of the things that I've learned by listening to you and listening to my friend Dr. Marshall Foster and guys like Rob McCoy who are preaching this from the pulpit every week is that all of these great institutions that we have and all of these freedoms that we have have to be accompanied by personal self-government, right?
00:22:01.000Like freedom comes with the responsibility to do the right thing, not just do anything, but to do the right thing.
00:22:12.000And I think that's where our faith comes into it: if I love my neighbor as myself, then I can be trusted with freedom.
00:22:21.000But if I'm going to take advantage of other people, then someone's going to come in and need to govern me, right?
00:22:26.000Because I'm being irresponsible with that freedom.
00:22:31.000And I'm so grieved when I see young people today who've had so much freedom for so long.
00:22:41.000They don't know what tyranny and oppression is.
00:22:43.000So I feel like they're not even really fighting for freedom.
00:22:50.000They're fighting for security or provision.
00:22:52.000Provide me with this, give me that, give me everything that I need.
00:22:56.000But I think it was Thomas Jefferson who said, if you've got a government that's big enough to give you everything that you want, it's also big enough to take away everything you have.
00:23:06.000And the great, one of the few downfalls of freedom is if the people that live in freedom don't understand in order to have freedom, you must have responsibility, then freedom will actually either turn people into tyrants or they will seek tyranny themselves, which is the inverse of freedom.
00:23:26.000And that is the perplexing, unsolvable dilemma with freedom.
00:23:34.000And freedom isn't just necessarily having access to anything you want.
00:23:39.000Freedom is freedom from bondage, to be removed from those things that will enslave you.
00:24:53.000When you have a society like that, something that has, I haven't cracked the code yet.
00:24:58.000And the only way I could crack the code, I would think, is to have a continual, such a hyper-focus on self-government, and we've lost that, is that eventually freedom can be used against the society that embraces freedom.
00:25:15.000So eventually the freedom will be used against the society that embraces freedom.
00:25:18.000For example, you have an entire generation now that uses the freedom of speech, freedom, all that, to be able to spread outright and total lies and misinformation so that they can destroy the very country that gave them that freedom in the first place.
00:26:08.000And in some ways, if you don't understand why you're able to be able to speak freely or go to church and you just do it, then that will almost guarantee you almost be guaranteed to lose that very thing.
00:26:40.000And then I go, but then you're using that to flip the government to the type of government that will actually either throw you in jail or kill you for doing that very thing.
00:26:54.000Like, if you want to turn us into Venezuela or you want to turn us into some totalitarian type of, don't you know that that same type of government now has the power and when they flip on you, you have no recourse.
00:27:09.000And the only way I've been able to solve that in my mind is that they don't necessarily want the freedom.
00:27:16.000They actually want to become the tyrant.
00:27:22.000Churchill said that When he spoke in the United States at a college, the name escapes me, but he said, European politics, unlike American politics, European politics is always about power.
00:27:37.000Whereas in America, American politics was always about truth.
00:27:42.000And he said, I fear because America is now coming to a place where politics is about power.
00:27:47.000So you use that freedom, and then you go to nefarious means.
00:27:55.000Then you gain power, and then you suppress the freedom.
00:29:56.000And that freedom comes by realizing who you are and awakening to that, that you're creating the image of God and these are inalienable rights and you can push back.
00:30:04.000And it's going to come at a cost, but it's worth fighting for because your children don't have to be raised in slavery and you're doing it for generations to come.
00:30:12.000And you finally get to a place where you say they've taken everything from me.
00:30:27.000And that cycle, until you infuse that triangle of freedom, faith, virtue, and freedom, we're going to be stuck in repeating that and destroying this nation that's had great freedom.
00:32:40.000So being in Hollywood, being in pop culture, being in that whole world, what have you seen works the best when communicating these values to people?
00:33:17.000That's a really good question, Charlie.
00:33:19.000You know, I've got it's interesting how the means of communication have been changing over the years.
00:33:26.000And it's so brilliant that you're focusing on a younger generation.
00:33:29.000Rob had said to my son outside here, he held up and said, hey, if I could give you a brand new iPhone with all the bells and whistles and everything on it, but you could only download one app, what would it be?
00:33:39.000And he thought for a second and said, Instagram.
00:34:51.000And I think that the conservative movement has been more successful in the last five or six years because of social media.
00:34:59.000And Donald Trump got elected largely because of social media.
00:35:02.000And I think they know that, which is why they're going to turn the spigot off in the next couple months and even more so in the next year and a half.
00:35:08.000And we don't have a solution for that as conservatives.
00:35:13.000And there will be a couple people that will be allowed to be the token conservatives on these platforms where they'll be like, oh, yeah, see, look, we actually care about freedom of speech and all this.
00:35:21.000But the tech companies, and this is a completely separate issue, but they're far more powerful than our government.
00:35:27.000And that's an example of freedom being used against us, right?
00:35:43.000So they go in front of Congress, and it was pretty much a joke.
00:35:47.000I mean, you had one member of Congress, really nice Republican, I know him, ask Mark Zuckerberg, why is Donald Trump Jr. locked out of Twitter?
00:35:55.000Why is Donald Trump Jr. locked out of Twitter?
00:35:57.000And Mark Zuckerberg's like, I'm the CEO of Facebook, sir.
00:36:00.000I don't have any idea what happens at Twitter.
00:36:24.000I mean, I'm not an alarmist by any means, but if the tech companies do what I think they're going to do, we will have a one-party state like California in five years.
00:36:33.000You will not be able to get information out.
00:36:35.000Well, there's no means of communication at all whatsoever.
00:36:50.000The censorship went to an entirely new level with these guys, though.
00:36:54.000So on our podcast, they plugged their website, AmericaFrontlinedoctors.com.
00:36:59.000Just watched all three of those videos from the press conference that they just had in Washington, D.C. For the first time in my experience that I've ever seen, the web server company took down their website.
00:37:09.000Not a social media company, the server company.
00:37:27.000And so my, I mean, you put on here, and this is a very provocative argument that I make, but you have liberty here, right?
00:37:36.000You have faith and peace and wisdom, but liberty in particular.
00:37:39.000And one thing that free market conservatives, of which I am one, can never answer is what happens when a private company restricts your liberty?
00:38:02.000Yeah, our founders wrote that in the Declaration of Independence because when they start usurping inalienable rights of other citizens, then you have the right and duty to push back.
00:38:11.000So that my opinion, and it's a hard argument, right?
00:39:53.000You know, Charlie, what do you do there?
00:39:56.000Because what you're saying now is you're expressing what I've been thinking in my head, and I don't know how to say it.
00:40:01.000But I thought to myself, well, wait a minute.
00:40:04.000You know, Facebook is a private company.
00:40:06.000So they have every right in the world to say, well, we don't think that's good content, so we're not going to promote that on our platform.
00:40:16.000Isn't that, I mean, we wouldn't want to say someone's going to come in here to Turning Point and get to say whatever they want if you don't like it.
00:40:24.000Let's ask ourselves two hypotheticals.
00:41:55.000I think that if a synagogue was hurting people's liberties, it's a question, right?
00:42:00.000And so we've already seen it debated, right?
00:42:02.000So for example, you can't murder someone in a synagogue, but you can tell someone, you know, I'm going to do something that you can't speak or you have to sit in the back.
00:42:11.000But I guess the question is, is Google really a private company?
00:42:15.000And that's a very, very interesting question, right?
00:42:18.000And it's not just the size question, right?
00:42:21.000It's that they themselves are basically a government.
00:42:25.000Now, they might be filed as Google LLC, publicly traded, but nothing about them is a private company.
00:42:33.000They are the information portal for the entire planet.
00:42:36.000For all intents and purposes, they are the consciousness of most of our human exploration.
00:42:43.000And so that's different than like the bakery in Colorado that has a different viewpoint.
00:42:50.000In some ways, Google, I think, has a moral mantle that they have backed themselves into, where now you're dealing with something that's much more, what's the right word?
00:43:02.000The much more important is one way to say it, but it's more than that.
00:43:08.000It's much more precious than just, I want a cake.
00:43:31.000Is it okay if that private company that has 92% of all search results and 70% of all email delivery, right, Gmail, the number one video processing site, viewing site on the planet?
00:43:44.000What if they decide that they don't want anyone that says anything on the center, right?
00:43:50.000What does that mean for your civilization, right?
00:43:52.000And so the way I look at it is we do have laws on the books that are supposed to be restricting against monopolies.
00:43:56.000Sherman Antitrust Act in 1890, if any company engages in monopolistic style behavior, it's illegal.
00:44:02.000And I think that there's something to be said that tyranny in all forms should be confronted against those that wish to keep men free, right?
00:44:11.000And so when you have entire portions of the American population that can't speak their mind because of a private company, I think that's the strong exploit in the week.
00:44:20.000And I think you have to use what you can to break them up.
00:44:21.000And I don't come to that decision lightly.
00:44:41.000Google gets away with what they get away with because we prefer the convenience more than we do with the morality associated with surrendering that in order to have that convenience.
00:44:58.000Liberty requires vigilance from every citizen.
00:45:01.000And when we come to this place in the Teitler cycle where we have abundance, we have abundance of information easily accessible.
00:45:08.000We purchase these iPhones and they didn't put a gun to our head to buy them.
00:45:55.000And so I always say if Google was kicking left-wing viewpoints off their platform, and if Google was a conservative company that had 92% market share, I mean, in a second, they would be called to be broken up.
00:46:08.000And just, it wouldn't even be a question, right?
00:46:10.000And Google is probably the best example of this because they say, well, we don't manipulate results.
00:47:35.000And I guess the counterargument is: well, are you going to make sure, are you going to have someone come into my church and say that?
00:47:39.000Well, I think that there's, I think you can still have first freedoms while you also have 10,000 churches.
00:47:45.000But when you have a company that is so big and you cannot express yourself or petition your government, no, I think that there needs to be a new set of rules there.
00:49:04.000It's like, yeah, yeah, I hear what you're saying.
00:49:09.000That's why that self-government is so important.
00:49:13.000Google needs to be able, Google or whoever the company is, needs to be able to say, you know what, what we're doing is this is morally not right.
00:49:22.000We're taking their voice and canceling them, digitally assassinating them because they disagree with us.
00:49:27.000But that's where ultimately your faith comes into it and my faith comes into it because we're going to say, I mean, if you ultimately are not appealing to an all-loving, all-truthful, sovereign God for your moral standard, Google has its own moral standard and it becomes its own God with its own tension.
00:50:01.000Through artificial intelligence, creating new human beings, and almost creating a machine that is so powerful that it can be similar to something what they call supernatural.
00:50:11.000That's the future my kids' kids are going to live in.
00:50:14.000So the governor says that we can't, Governor California says we can't meet and shuts all churches, but you can do live stream.
00:50:39.000They usher us into, they take us out of the building and out of fellowship, put us in front of a camera, and then declare what we can and can't say.
00:51:53.000Teddy Roosevelt broke up very big companies.
00:51:55.000And I think it was the right time because we really did not understand industrialization in our country.
00:51:59.000We did not have a literate population.
00:52:02.000So because of that small collection of guys that actually loved their country, that weren't always abusing their monopolistic power, but they had it.
00:52:09.000They were able to accumulate extraordinary amounts of power.
00:52:15.000Andrew Carnegie, John D. Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan Chase, Leland Stanford earlier than that, who built the railroads out west.
00:52:22.000And Teddy Roosevelt said, you know what?
00:52:24.000Most of the population can't even read right now.
00:52:28.000And let's try to have some sort of guardrails on the rampant massive industrialization because we went from agrarian-based economy to industrialization in 40 years.
00:52:38.000And so, of course, you're going to have the people that are in the upper hierarchy be able to capitalize on the industrialization dramatically, right?
00:52:45.000And that's not, there's, Roosevelt didn't take everything from them.
00:52:48.000He just said, here are some limitations.
00:52:50.000And a lot of Republicans said, oh, he made a mistake.
00:53:18.000What if someone had argued, well, Charlie, if it was flipped and you had conservative companies that were really trying to cancel out harmful ideas that would take us back towards socialism, would you feel the same way?
00:54:01.000And whether we like it or not, and the founders, the founders hated tyranny.
00:54:07.000They wrote about it in the Federalist Papers.
00:54:09.000And in the 1790s, early 1800s, when they were writing the Federalist Papers, the biggest, the most dangerous form of tyranny they could imagine was like King George 2.0, right?
00:56:39.000You think that the autocrats are just going to stop being acting in this way because they will never stop because they find meaning in their suppression.
00:56:50.000And then people say, well, Charlie, what can I possibly do to do something about all this tyranny everywhere?
00:56:55.000And Rob, I'll let you start, then I'll finish.
00:57:00.000What I find, just standing up in the small sphere of influence that I have been granted, the response I get from people who say, what can I do?
00:57:12.000Before they ask that question, they typically tell me what I need to do.
00:58:18.000Have churches start taking responsibility for their communities and realizing that nobody's going to be enslaved on my watch.
00:58:26.000And if every community, you light a thousand fires across the country that everyone starts taking responsibility for the communities, the swamp will change.
00:58:33.000The swamp is 20 years down from the source.
00:58:36.000And what we're seeing at the swamp is a result of what we stop doing in our homes.
00:59:15.000The only reason why we've gained any traction, you and me, is because we decided to stand in the sphere of influence in which we've been placed.
01:04:59.000And then go in every single micro-decision you go through, especially in today's time.
01:05:04.000I said this recently, and I got more positive response than this, which is that in order for a macro-tyranny to exist, millions of micro-tyrannies must bubble up.
01:05:49.000It was that when Joseph Bondarenko, the Christian pastor at age 26, was locked up in prison because he was preaching the gospel all throughout what was then Ukraine and the Soviet Union in Eastern Europe.
01:06:00.000Stalin didn't know who he was because he actually did most of his ministry when Stalin was dead.
01:06:05.000Is the fact that, but even if Stalin was alive, the following leaders did.
01:06:09.000The point is that the local baker, he acted like Stalin too, and he turned him in.
01:06:24.000So what we talk about, and it's incorrect, we act as if Stalin had this top-down tributary where all of a sudden then tyranny rained down, where it's not correct at all.
01:06:33.000Maybe because there was lawlessness and godlessness, millions of tyrants allowed someone like Stalin to manifest.
01:06:40.000And Stalin was actually the manifestation of the corrosive country that already existed.
01:06:47.000And it's the complete opposite of how we teach it.
01:06:50.000We teach it as if Stalin turned the country when in reality, maybe the country was already there and Stalin was exactly where the country already was.
01:07:15.000So Stalin was tolerated because in St. Petersburg, 60 miles outside of St. Petersburg, the local carpenter for a village or the local dairy farmer, he himself was Stalin of that town.
01:10:56.000I was just going to say, I have evidence that they That pre-trib premillennial, which I happen to be a part of that, that they have taken it to the point where it's self-fulfilling prophecy.
01:11:09.000They said, no, no, no, we're still working as though we don't know the day or the hour.
01:12:09.000You combine the next four largest states' debt doesn't equal the debt of California.
01:12:13.000We have the highest homelessness, highest poverty.
01:12:15.000We're the authors of No Fault Divorce, Transgender Bathroom Bills, the most progressive, secular, progressive sexual education curriculum of any state in the nation, probably the world.
01:12:27.000And we're the authors of No Fault Divorce, which decimated a marriage across the country.
01:12:31.000But here's the kicker: we lead the nation in abortion.
01:12:37.000We've aborted more children than the entire population of Canada.
01:12:41.000And yet we've never had more buildings.
01:12:43.000We've never seen more people raise their hands.
01:13:17.000Yeah, it's not said outright, but I think that's ultimately communicates, well, it's kind of a losing battle to try to change the culture or culture and recapture these kinds of values because we've read the end of the script.
01:13:33.000Well, and I think it's probably coming on Tuesday.
01:13:35.000And I think that there's, it's such, it's such sloppy thinking, in my opinion.
01:13:40.000So then I ask people the question where I believe in this kind of this, they're so committed to that specific eschatology and use it as an excuse for inaction.
01:13:49.000And I've had these conversations and they say, well, it's all irrelevant.
01:13:52.000It doesn't matter because we're all going to heaven, blah, blah, blah, those sort of stuff.
01:14:23.000The point is this: if you actually care about the kingdom expanding and the gospel spreading, you should be fighting for civil society every single day.
01:14:37.000When I was a youth minister in Santa Clara County, I was trained to be a speaker for the planned parent, or not, excuse me, for the pro-life organization there, the Crisis Pregnancy Center.
01:15:36.000But the principal is just really struggling.
01:15:40.000And he said, I've built up a relationship.
01:15:42.000I used to be a missionary, but now I'm a teacher.
01:15:44.000And he said, look, I've gotten access.
01:15:46.000You can come in, but you're going to speak to the half of the student body that's not doing testing.
01:15:51.000Meaning they were doing some sort of testing.
01:15:53.000These are the ones that didn't qualify for whatever it was.
01:15:55.000And I go into the school when I'm going in, there's metal detectors and they're checking me and the whole bit.
01:16:02.000And I get into the school and the auditorium's packed and they were going to show him a Star Wars video or something.
01:16:07.000And they're all up there and they say, hey, we're going to show you a video, but we got a guy from the Crisis Pregnancy Center who's going to talk to you about absence.
01:17:03.000And the principal allowed us to bring him in to invite them to this after-school.
01:17:07.000But the one thing the principal said is you're not allowed to, you know, talk about the Bible and none of the Jesus stuff, but you can invite them.
01:17:59.000They're going to shut you down just like they did that high school.
01:18:03.000And you may think that you're having this amazing evangelistic opportunity, but it's over.
01:18:08.000Unless you contend for freedom and get off your rear end and stand and push back with those tyrants, you're not going to have access to any of that anymore.