The Charlie Kirk Show - Ending the RINO Regime with J.D. Vance

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00:00:28.000 We talk about our leaders going to Ukraine.

00:00:31.000 Why are they in Ukraine dishing out $40 billion?

00:00:34.000 And I talked to the now Senate candidate nominee for the Republican Party in Ohio, the great JD Vance.

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00:02:37.000 So there's a lot of stories happening that I want to dive into.

00:02:41.000 The FBI parent story is super important.

00:02:43.000 Obviously, the Roe Versus Wade stuff is hitting kind of this, this breaking pitch.

00:02:48.000 But I want to start with the story that is now kind of developed over the last weekend, which is why our leaders are trying to send another 40 billion dollars to Ukraine now.

00:03:00.000 This is something that we deserve answers to, for very obvious reasons, not just because we don't know what success looks like in Ukraine.

00:03:07.000 No one has actually told us that they say, well, you know, it's to help Zelensky and His government fight against Russia, okay?

00:03:14.000 Well, where exactly are those $40 billion going to be deployed?

00:03:17.000 And why is that the urgent need or why is that the urgent project of the federal government?

00:03:24.000 Now, this passed through the House of Representatives with near unanimous consent.

00:03:31.000 The Republicans had some opposition, but very little.

00:03:36.000 It is a bipartisan agreement that we should continue to meddle further and deep into the affairs of other countries.

00:03:43.000 So $40 billion, even though Joe Biden only asked for $33 billion, which will further antagonize Russia and get us closer to a war.

00:03:52.000 In fact, Stenny Hoyer said, we're in a war last week.

00:03:54.000 He said it very clearly and plainly, that we are in a war.

00:03:58.000 He said, in a time of war, why are we attacking Joe Biden?

00:04:03.000 And so while our Western inheritance is alarmingly vanishing in front of us, we have to be lectured by our leaders why we have to go spend and send $40 billion to a far-off and distant land.

00:04:16.000 Now, mind you, the right is not in agreement about this.

00:04:19.000 There's plenty of conservative Republicans that I have respect for and other issues that are enthusiastic about sending another $40 billion to Ukraine.

00:04:28.000 Lindsey Graham has come out and he said there is no price tag in getting rid of for getting rid of Vladimir Putin.

00:04:34.000 Look, I think Vladimir Putin's an awful person, obviously.

00:04:38.000 But who's to say what you get after Vladimir Putin is not going to be worse?

00:04:44.000 What about after Muammar Gaddafi?

00:04:47.000 After Qaddafi, Libya goes into civil war.

00:04:49.000 You get ISIS.

00:04:49.000 How about after Iraq?

00:04:50.000 After Iran and you re-implement the Shah, you get this now totalitarian theocratic dictatorship that has been ruling Iran since the 1970s.

00:05:01.000 When America intervenes in these countries, does it always go well?

00:05:04.000 It actually usually doesn't.

00:05:05.000 Why do our leaders not learn that?

00:05:07.000 Because they don't actually consider those things to be mistakes.

00:05:10.000 They consider Libya and they consider Iraq and Iran and many of the other interventions of decades past to be a glowing success of the regime.

00:05:19.000 So this last weekend, and of course Pelosi did this a couple weeks ago, last weekend you had, just a couple days ago, you had John Cornyn, John Barrasso, Mitch McConnell, and Susan Collins go to where they think their time is best spent.

00:05:37.000 It's not on the U.S.-southern border.

00:05:39.000 It's not to solve the baby formula crisis.

00:05:42.000 It's not to address the drug overdose epidemic, which Susan Collins and Mitch McConnell represent two states that have huge issues with drug overdoses, same with John Barrasso in Wyoming.

00:05:53.000 No, instead, they took a surprise visit to Kyiv, Ukraine.

00:05:59.000 This weekend, Mitch McConnell and John Barrasso and John Cornyn and Susan Collins went to basically go hand deliver to Zelensky the promise of $40 billion given to Ukraine.

00:06:17.000 Now, America going to Ukraine, do you know what I see when I see that? 0.55

00:06:23.000 I don't see like American values being represented abroad.

00:06:27.000 I see the opposite.

00:06:28.000 You see, America is now an exporter of bad ideas.

00:06:35.000 We are now the creator of these bad ideas and we are a petri dish for them in every single corner around the world.

00:06:44.000 And so when we go to Ukraine, we are not bringing the ideas of self-government and respect for the individual and the protection of the weak.

00:06:53.000 It's the opposite.

00:06:54.000 You see, when we establish the deep state, the State Department, the Central Intelligence Agency, when we pump money into Ukraine, what you get is more race hooksterism. 0.64

00:07:06.000 You get anti-Western thought.

00:07:08.000 You get abortion fanaticism.

00:07:10.000 You get revenge-based politics, the support of chemical castration of children.

00:07:16.000 In fact, when they talk about bringing Western values to Ukraine, they're like, with our support, we'll be able to have Drag Queen Story Hour in Maripol.

00:07:27.000 It's like, that's actually not what I think we should be doing.

00:07:31.000 Now, some people say that's a misunderstanding, a misrepresentation.

00:07:33.000 No, it's not.

00:07:34.000 The U.S. State Department, they're more willing to put the LGBT flag up in their embassies in certain months of the year than the American flag.

00:07:43.000 They put the BLM flag at the State Department embassies all across the world. 0.94

00:07:49.000 And so you have these Republican clowns that go to Ukraine, and you want to tell me that this is the biggest issue facing our nation? 0.93

00:07:57.000 A great mark of a politician is whether or not they know the limits and the barriers and the boundaries. 0.96

00:08:02.000 No, what this is, is political smokescreen.

00:08:05.000 And why Republicans play into this, I don't know.

00:08:07.000 Okay, we expect the Democrats to be globalist-minded, to betray their voters.

00:08:12.000 They don't actually care about the well-being of the nation that they're in.

00:08:15.000 We know that.

00:08:16.000 But why are Republicans playing along?

00:08:18.000 Well, they believe in neoconservative politics for completely different reasons.

00:08:23.000 The neoconservative politics that Republicans believe in is they believe in playing war games halfway around the world because it gives them a sense of purpose.

00:08:37.000 They actually don't want to address the country, the issues that are facing our country right now.

00:08:41.000 They don't.

00:08:42.000 And there's, we're going to go through them in great detail.

00:08:47.000 A nation falls apart.

00:08:49.000 In fact, it is the mark of a falling empire when a couple things happen.

00:08:53.000 Your currency falls apart.

00:08:54.000 You get super obsessed with gender.

00:08:56.000 Your borders remain wide open.

00:08:58.000 And you meddle in other people's affairs, other people's affairs.

00:09:00.000 Every empire that has fallen has a tendency to do that.

00:09:03.000 They always get really distracted with gender debates.

00:09:08.000 This happened in the fall of the Roman Empire.

00:09:10.000 It's happened in almost every major arc of civilization.

00:09:13.000 They get so fixated on questioning fundamental truths.

00:09:18.000 Borders start to mean nothing.

00:09:19.000 Your currency destabilizes, and you start worrying about far-off distant lands than the well-being of your own citizens.

00:09:25.000 Why?

00:09:25.000 Because they actually don't have a lot of respect for their citizens.

00:09:27.000 Because in Washington, D.C., the most important thing is Ukraine.

00:09:31.000 Guess what?

00:09:32.000 It's not the most important thing in our country.

00:09:34.000 It isn't.

00:09:35.000 It's not even top 50.

00:09:36.000 It's not top 100.

00:09:39.000 Our leaders are so convinced that your taxpayer dollars, $40 billion, is going to be spent in Ukraine.

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00:10:50.000 So Mitch McConnell has come out and he has said, look, the most important thing happening in the world right now is the war in Ukraine.

00:10:57.000 What country does Mitch McConnell represent exactly?

00:11:00.000 The country that has the wide open border and 100,000 plus drug overdoses?

00:11:04.000 That has double-digit inflation?

00:11:06.000 You see, for Washington, D.C., war games are always more important than the livelihood of their citizens.

00:11:13.000 Always.

00:11:14.000 They'll always care more about some far distant land than their own constituents.

00:11:20.000 Is Mitch McConnell a senator from western Ukraine?

00:11:24.000 Or is he a senator from Kentucky that has incredible problems right now?

00:11:29.000 Kentucky's dealing with drug problems, inflation, unemployment.

00:11:34.000 You see, Rand Paul, who also represents Kentucky, actually cares about his voters.

00:11:39.000 Rand Paul stood up and said, I represent my voters and I swore an oath to the United States Constitution.

00:11:46.000 And I'm not going to just all of a sudden authorize $40 billion to go to some far-off distant land when we do not know what success looks like.

00:11:54.000 Will this bring us closer to peace or closer to war?

00:11:58.000 You see, there should be solutions put forward other than just giving Raytheon Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin complete and total blank checks to be able to have their chance at pillaging the United States Treasury.

00:12:12.000 Here's Mitch McConnell play Cut 20 saying, we can all agree that Ukraine is the most important thing right now, Cut 20.

00:12:20.000 We all agree the most important thing going on in the world right now is the war in Ukraine.

00:12:25.000 We need to do this Ukraine only and quickly. 1.00

00:12:30.000 I think we're on the path to getting that done.

00:12:33.000 Discussions are underway between the House and Senate appropriators on the crafting of the package.

00:12:40.000 It needs to be clean of extraneous matters directly related to helping the Ukrainians win the war.

00:12:47.000 How about you help the Americans win the war, Mitch McConnell?

00:12:50.000 How about you help our invasion happening on the southern border?

00:12:53.000 Where's the urgent need for action?

00:12:55.000 In fact, you did not do any of that when Donald Trump was president.

00:13:00.000 You still don't.

00:13:01.000 You look at actually what the American people think are our biggest issues.

00:13:04.000 Ukraine doesn't even rate.

00:13:06.000 It's not even on the scale.

00:13:08.000 Top 12 issues for Americans.

00:13:10.000 Number one, inflation.

00:13:12.000 Number two, affordability of health care.

00:13:13.000 Number three, violent crime, like dead people on the street.

00:13:18.000 Number four, gun violence.

00:13:19.000 Five, federal budget deficit.

00:13:22.000 Six, climate change.

00:13:23.000 Propaganda does play a big role.

00:13:26.000 Then the quality of schools, illegal immigration, racism, conditions of roads, bridges, and other infrastructure, unemployment, and then coronavirus.

00:13:36.000 If you go party by party, illegal immigration, only 19% of Democrats think it's a problem.

00:13:42.000 65% of Republicans think it's a problem.

00:13:44.000 But the issues that transcend party lines that both parties believe are a big issue, inflation and violent crime.

00:13:52.000 Both parties think it's a major issue.

00:13:55.000 And yet, Ukraine's not on the list.

00:13:59.000 Yet, Mitch McConnell says we can all agree.

00:14:02.000 Actually, no, you and your group of people that have passed their sold-by-date senators that are completely irrelevant.

00:14:11.000 These people, I have such little respect for them when they do stuff like this.

00:14:16.000 And they want more political power in November.

00:14:18.000 Yes, go vote to give us more political power. 0.99

00:14:20.000 Why?

00:14:20.000 So you can keep on going playing war games in Ukraine, get us closer to a nuclear armed conflict.

00:14:25.000 And for the Republicans that support this, and including some people in popular mass media, have said, well, there is no price tag.

00:14:33.000 Of course there's a price tag.

00:14:34.000 Part of being an adult is you always ask, what is the price?

00:14:38.000 Being a mature society is saying, yeah, that's actually not our role.

00:14:42.000 Maybe, can we get some sort of audit or some sort of prerequisite checklist?

00:14:46.000 You know, if I were to underwrite a loan for someone to go borrow, to go buy a home, you have to go do some vetting, right?

00:14:54.000 What's your credit?

00:14:55.000 Can you do the down payment?

00:14:57.000 Do you have a criminal history?

00:14:59.000 Like some very basic things.

00:15:00.000 Could Ukraine pass the metaphorical prerequisite for being able to borrow money, quote unquote, be in the countries that should actually be able to receive foreign aid?

00:15:15.000 All Rand Paul was trying to do with this $40 billion bill was slow it down and get a roll call.

00:15:20.000 Say, where does everyone stand?

00:15:22.000 Now, thankfully, Josh Hawley and Bill Haggerty have come out, thankfully, and said they're going to oppose it.

00:15:29.000 But any Republican that votes for this will go down dramatically in my book.

00:15:35.000 Any Republican that votes for this bill, I'm going to lose huge respect for.

00:15:40.000 There is no reason to spend more money than Joe Biden has asked for to Ukraine.

00:15:48.000 While we have so many issues, not like little tiny issues, we have civilizational turning issues.

00:15:55.000 And our leaders are too busy in a far-off distant land handing out money to corrupt kleptocrats. 0.96

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00:17:24.000 So when we talk about exporting American values, we have to understand we're not exporting like natural law doctrine and separation of powers and consent to the governed.

00:17:35.000 No, when you go see McConnell and Barrasso and Susan Collins all the way in Ukraine, what are they really doing?

00:17:42.000 They're further reinforcing the sort of anti-Western ideas that we have become experts at creating and exporting them.

00:17:52.000 When you talk to foreign intellectuals, we just had Douglas Murray on this program a couple weeks ago, and I enjoyed reading his book this last week, The War on the West.

00:18:00.000 It's spectacular.

00:18:02.000 When you start to talk to foreign intellectuals and you study kind of how, or you just listen to where they say these ideas are coming from, previously America used to be a net importer of bad ideas. 0.73

00:18:16.000 Now we are the assembly line and the factory and a net exporter of them.

00:18:22.000 These ideas of the woke, it's not like they're coming from France or Germany anymore.

00:18:26.000 In fact, our ideas have become so radical at the top levels of American society that even parts of French society or German society, they're resisting American ideas and they're trying to de-wokify their civilization, saying American values are actually making us less free, destroying our heritage and destroying our history and our culture.

00:18:47.000 Well, someone who understands that and who has just won a massive primary, I actually haven't seen him since his victory.

00:18:55.000 I was with him actually at his last rally, helping him in any way I could.

00:18:58.000 Is JD Vance, the U.S. Senate nominee candidate for the great state of Ohio running against Tim Ryan.

00:19:04.000 JD, welcome back to the program.

00:19:06.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:19:07.000 Thanks for having me.

00:19:07.000 And congratulations.

00:19:08.000 I actually haven't a chance to tell you that yet.

00:19:10.000 So first, just your reaction from your race.

00:19:13.000 You won the shocking victory, I think, almost two weeks ago.

00:19:17.000 How are you processing things?

00:19:18.000 How's your race standing now that you're in the general?

00:19:20.000 It's good.

00:19:20.000 I mean, look, the Biden administration has been a disaster and Tim Ryan, my Democrat opponent, has voted with the Biden administration 100% of the time.

00:19:27.000 So we feel good about the general.

00:19:29.000 Still got to put in the work.

00:19:30.000 I think the Republican primary, the way that I think about it is that it was a referendum on what kind of party do we want to be.

00:19:35.000 Do we want to be a nationalist America first policy or do we want our party? 0.93

00:19:41.000 Or do we want to go back to the ways of starting stupid wards that we have no reason to be in and shipping our manufacturing base off to China and other countries in the world? 0.94

00:19:50.000 So I'm glad that the voters of Ohio rejected the old establishment ways. 0.73

00:19:55.000 And I'm excited to take the America First message and do the general election.

00:19:58.000 And like I said, I feel pretty good about it.

00:20:00.000 So in a couple months, if everything goes according to plan, which I believe it will, you'll be a U.S. senator.

00:20:04.000 How will you react to this?

00:20:06.000 For example, senators going off to Ukraine.

00:20:08.000 They want to try to pass a vote by unanimous consent, $40 billion.

00:20:14.000 The consensus in the Republican Party is that we have to do this.

00:20:17.000 No question asked.

00:20:18.000 Praise God for Rand Paul, who came out and said, we just, how about a roll call vote?

00:20:22.000 Josh Hawley said he's a no.

00:20:24.000 Senator Bill Haggerty, how would you vote on something like this?

00:20:28.000 Yeah, it won't surprise you, Charlie.

00:20:30.000 I would vote no on this.

00:20:31.000 I mean, look, I think we have to separate our emotional sympathies with the Ukrainians.

00:20:36.000 And I think it was very wrong, of course, for Russia to invade that country from what the proper policy response is as a country.

00:20:43.000 Look, at the end of the day, what's in the best interest of our country is to de-escalate the war.

00:20:47.000 Does this $40 billion help that?

00:20:49.000 Frankly, I don't know because I don't think anybody knows what's in this $40 billion, how it will be spent, how it will actually help or hurt the Ukrainian effort.

00:20:57.000 So I think Rand Paul took the right course of action.

00:21:00.000 Let's at least, I mean, at the very minimum, know where this money is going before we spend it.

00:21:05.000 But what I propose, Charlie, is to say that not another dollar goes to the Ukraine unless we fix the American southern border.

00:21:13.000 So we need to match any amount of money we send to Ukraine with money going to the southern border to control the flow of drugs, the flow of sex trafficking, the flow of things that actually affect people right here in Ohio, which is what my obligation is towards fixing the problems of the people of Ohio, not the problems of a country 6,000 miles away, no matter how sympathetic that country might be.

00:21:34.000 So, but why is it that that's such a controversial opinion?

00:21:37.000 Why is it that our leaders dash quickly to Kyiv, but not to Nahalis, right?

00:21:41.000 Why are they quick to go grandstand in Stockholm, but not go down to my home state of Arizona and actually say, wait a second, every state's a border state?

00:21:49.000 I'm asking you just to speculate a little bit because you're running against one of these people, by the way, who kind of pretends to be kind of the pro-Midwestern guy when in reality, he isn't.

00:21:58.000 Why do you think that is?

00:21:59.000 Like, can you give some insight into kind of the mentality or the philosophy of what is now kind of the typical American ruling class member?

00:22:07.000 Yeah, you know, it's just a guess, but my sense, Charlie, from having, you know, been involved in this world for a few years and seeing how these people think and how they operate.

00:22:15.000 So I think it's a pretty good guess, is that most of them don't think that much about what they're actually doing.

00:22:20.000 They all get caught up in the prevailing trends, the prevailing culture, the moment that they're in.

00:22:26.000 And right now, everything from the media to our think tank world to the intellectual world is sending the message that we have to be focused on Ukraine.

00:22:35.000 Of course, I don't think that's how a majority of the people in Ohio feel.

00:22:39.000 They think that there are much bigger problems closer to home.

00:22:41.000 But I just think that, you know, if you're a part of the American ruling class, you get caught up in this unthinking herd mentality.

00:22:49.000 Right now, the herd is focused on Ukraine.

00:22:51.000 Of course, a year ago, it was focused on something else.

00:22:54.000 Year from now, it'll be focused on something different.

00:22:56.000 And we just don't have nearly enough people who are willing to stand against the tide.

00:23:01.000 As you know, Charlie, that's one of the reasons why I wanted to run is because I thought for the people of Ohio to have effective representation, there needs to be at least one person in our Senate delegation who's sort of standing up and saying, you know what, maybe what everyone in Washington is focused on is not the right thing to be focused on.

00:23:19.000 And just one other thing, Charlie, is the incentives of the system are set up that these people never have to reflect on their own failure.

00:23:26.000 I mean, think about this.

00:23:27.000 In 2003, everyone knew that Afghanistan would be an easy war for the United States to win.

00:23:34.000 In 2003, everyone knew that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

00:23:38.000 In 2007, everybody knew that we didn't have a housing bubble.

00:23:42.000 In 2019, sorry, 2020, everybody knew that masking four-year-olds would prevent the spread of a respiratory illness.

00:23:51.000 The problem is not so much that people are wrong.

00:23:53.000 Like, I've been wrong about stuff.

00:23:54.000 I'm sure you've been wrong about stuff.

00:23:56.000 Like, we all get things wrong.

00:23:57.000 The problem is there's no reason for these people to go back, admit failure, and rethink some of the processes that led them to be wrong in the first place.

00:24:06.000 That is what's most broken about a ruling class.

00:24:09.000 They never have to face up to their own failure.

00:24:11.000 Yeah.

00:24:11.000 And just be honest, that's exactly right.

00:24:13.000 And then they think we're so stupid that they could just kind of cover it up and they can say, oh, yeah, like whatever. 0.99

00:24:20.000 I mean, sure, we're just going to keep on news. 0.99

00:24:22.000 I mean, Lindsey Graham comes out and he says there's no price tag to getting rid of Putin.

00:24:27.000 No price tag.

00:24:28.000 I mean, that's such a reckless and irresponsible thing.

00:24:31.000 You take just like a regular person that we saw in Circoville, Ohio.

00:24:34.000 They would never say something like that.

00:24:36.000 Right.

00:24:36.000 I mean, there's more.

00:24:37.000 Yeah, what's your thoughts on that?

00:24:38.000 And what if we get rid of Putin and the guy who comes after him is even worse?

00:24:43.000 Exactly.

00:24:44.000 We certainly have experience with regime change wars the last 20 or so years.

00:24:48.000 And sometimes you get an improvement.

00:24:50.000 A lot of times you get somebody who's much worse.

00:24:52.000 And so you could have a situation where an even worse guy than Vladimir Putin controls their nuclear arsenal, controls the security fate of Europe.

00:25:01.000 And if you think about this, this entire Russia-Ukraine situation allows us to gloss over and ignore 20 years of foreign policy failure in the West.

00:25:11.000 Like, why doesn't Germany have a real army?

00:25:13.000 Why has the American military been focused on white rage instead of winning wars, right?

00:25:18.000 That's what the military leadership is focused on in our country.

00:25:22.000 Like, why aren't we actually solving the real problems?

00:25:25.000 Why are we so dependent on Russia for fertilizer and for energy?

00:25:30.000 And why are we so dependent on China or any other country for that matter?

00:25:33.000 Like, none of the bigger problems are being thought of in this moment.

00:25:37.000 None of the bigger answers to those problems are being considered.

00:25:40.000 What we're all doing is focused on this Russia-Ukraine situation to the exclusion of everything else, including some failures that we've made in Russia and Ukraine that I think would have prevented this situation from getting so bad in the first place.

00:25:53.000 We have to remember that if Joe Biden hadn't given up American energy independence, America would have gone into this situation in a much stronger position to begin with.

00:26:03.000 Well, and that's totally correct.

00:26:06.000 And what really has bothered me and just seeing these senators in Ukraine this last weekend is like the moral grandstanding and the urgency.

00:26:16.000 Like flying to Ukraine is not exactly easy.

00:26:18.000 I don't care if you have a Codel, right?

00:26:19.000 That takes some effort.

00:26:20.000 Yeah.

00:26:20.000 Okay.

00:26:21.000 Like, I mean, that's where you're going to go.

00:26:24.000 I mean, let's just be honest.

00:26:25.000 Like, that's a tough trip for McConnell.

00:26:27.000 Like, that's, you know, you got to put some effort in, right?

00:26:29.000 And it's with Susan Collins, like, God bless him.

00:26:32.000 But it's like, you don't take that effort to go down to like the Rio Grande Valley.

00:26:36.000 And it's like the incentive structure.

00:26:38.000 And I think part of it, though, is that the one thing that can get you kind of like a momentary kind of ceasefire from the Washington Post is go and promote neoconservative dogma abroad, right?

00:26:50.000 That's right.

00:26:50.000 And if you go look at how the press has covered McConnell the last couple of days, it's all about like McConnell's war with MAGA in Ukraine.

00:26:58.000 Like McConnell stands up to his own party.

00:27:00.000 It's like, I think he kind of gets a little bit of a kick out of this.

00:27:03.000 Like, yeah, I'm a good person.

00:27:05.000 Like, what are your thoughts on that?

00:27:08.000 Yeah, I think that's right, actually.

00:27:09.000 I do think that a lot of what drives the foreign policy consensus is it's one of the few things where congressional Republicans can get away from the constant hate stream of the media, right?

00:27:20.000 Like my sense, Charlie, is that there are three issues where you're not allowed to go against the neoliberal, neoconservative orthodoxy in this country.

00:27:29.000 The first is immigration, right? 0.99

00:27:31.000 If you even suggest, if you frankly even repeat back what the Democrats have said about their immigration policies, you know, changing the political makeup of the country, then you're a crazy conspiracy theorist, right?

00:27:43.000 If the Democrats say it's good and true and it's happening, if Republicans repeat their words back to them, then we're engaged in conspiracy thinking.

00:27:49.000 The second is trade.

00:27:50.000 You cannot dissent from the move towards globalization in the flow of goods.

00:27:55.000 And the biggest one is foreign policy.

00:27:57.000 You can't dissent from the idea that maybe the wars that we've been fighting have not been in the best interest of our country.

00:28:03.000 Those are the three issues where the consensus hates your guts.

00:28:08.000 And so, you know, look, I understand why these guys want to get a positive headline every now and then.

00:28:12.000 Unfortunately, the consensus has been so wrong on foreign policy that if you go along with that consensus, you may very well get this country involved in a military conflict that could be catastrophic for us.

00:28:25.000 Because if you notice, there's this slow ratchet that's going on, right?

00:28:28.000 We're just getting a little bit more involved and a little bit more involved.

00:28:32.000 If you think about our policy today, it's not all that different from a couple of weeks ago.

00:28:35.000 It's just a little bit different.

00:28:36.000 But you add up all these little differences, and we could be in a situation where by the summertime, by August, right, are we in a full-scale military conflict with the Russians?

00:28:45.000 Because that's the thing that I've been warning against.

00:28:48.000 And by the way, that's the thing they've been saying I'm crazy for warning about.

00:28:51.000 No one wants to get involved in a war with Russia. 0.99

00:28:53.000 Well, the way you get involved in a war with Russia is by these stupid little decisions that we keep on making. 0.99

00:28:59.000 I mean, you don't want to get into war. 0.85

00:29:00.000 Why are you visiting then exactly?

00:29:02.000 Like, that's kind of weird.

00:29:03.000 Like, oh, yeah, yeah, we have nothing to do with it.

00:29:05.000 It's just kind of a proxy conflict.

00:29:07.000 If it's a proxy conflict, you don't send your Senate leadership and your House leadership there.

00:29:12.000 Usually that would be something.

00:29:13.000 I mean, had they gone to the baby formula factory recently and done a press conference?

00:29:17.000 That would be exactly.

00:29:18.000 JD, what are the other issues you're hearing from voters in Ohio on the top of their mind as you travel the state now in the general election that aren't Ukraine?

00:29:27.000 Like, what else are people actually caring about?

00:29:29.000 Of course, the southern border issue, Charlie, you mentioned Arizona, but really every state's a border state because of the amount of drugs and sex trafficking that's coming across the southern border.

00:29:39.000 That's a big concern.

00:29:40.000 The thing I hear most about, of course, is not just inflation in the goods that we have, but also an inability to find goods that we need.

00:29:48.000 So that's baby formula for young mothers. 0.99

00:29:50.000 I still can't believe it's sort of a sign of a third world country is mothers not being able to find formula for their kids. 0.96

00:29:56.000 I can't believe it's true in the United States of America.

00:29:58.000 But it's also true of a lot of manufacturers who can't find components they need because our leaders decided to make themselves dependent on China and now China is in a state of lockdown.

00:30:07.000 And so our businesses can't get the supplies they need.

00:30:10.000 So it's a lot of just, are we making stuff in the country?

00:30:14.000 Can people afford basic goods?

00:30:18.000 Are people dying of preventable diseases and overdose deaths because our leadership has decided to throw open the gates at the southern border?

00:30:27.000 Those are the things that I hear the most about.

00:30:29.000 It's funny, we started to hear more about abortion, of course, with the draft Roe versus Wade opinion coming out.

00:30:36.000 And Charlie, I'm 100% pro-life and proud to be pro-life.

00:30:40.000 It's so funny.

00:30:41.000 Tim Ryan is trying to paint me as a sort of radical on the abortion question because of my pro-life viewpoint when he himself has defended abortion up to 40 weeks, full-term babies defending abortion in this country.

00:30:54.000 It's so barbaric and so outside of even, I mean, look, there are pro-choice people.

00:30:58.000 We can agree to disagree on the abortion question, but even the pro-choice friends that I have are not defending abortion up to 39, 40 weeks of gestation.

00:31:07.000 It's so barbaric and it's ridiculous that Tim Ryan is trying to paint me as a radical when his opinion is basically the most left-wing version of abortion opinion that exists anywhere in this country.

00:31:18.000 Yeah, and on the baby formula thing, it's actually created by the government.

00:31:21.000 This is again, I mean, so you have a government that is unable to deploy prop withdraw properly from Afghanistan, leaving $85 billion of weapons behind.

00:31:29.000 They're not able to notify the proper agencies when you shut down a baby formula facility or factory based on health concerns.

00:31:36.000 But all of a sudden, they're going to masterfully be able to implement $40 billion in the middle of a war zone against a nuclear-armed nation that has a tendency not to really lose wars just because they don't lose them, not necessarily win them.

00:31:47.000 Like that's all of a sudden going to be like we should trust that all of a sudden that's the government that we want to send to Keeve.

00:31:53.000 Am I seeing that right?

00:31:55.000 That's how they want us to see it, but unfortunately that just ain't the way it is.

00:31:58.000 I mean, look, you know, we often criticize, and rightfully so, government's inefficiency, the fact that, you know, we're not always, meaning the government isn't always a good steward of people's resources.

00:32:11.000 And yet you're right, we sort of think that $40 billion of unchecked no strings attached resources are somehow going to get to the right hands in the Ukraine.

00:32:21.000 It's just a crazy, it's just a crazy thing.

00:32:26.000 I can't believe that anybody would push back against even having an inspector general who would at least observe and keep some tabs on how that $40 billion is being spent.

00:32:36.000 I mean, that is a ton of money, Charlie.

00:32:38.000 I know that we have $100 billions of dollars worth of deficits every single year in this country.

00:32:43.000 $40 billion is a ton of cash.

00:32:47.000 The fact that we're talking about spending it with no oversight is just preposterous.

00:32:50.000 No, but it's typical.

00:32:52.000 And I mean, and this is the last thing I'll say because we have to run, is I wish I trusted my government.

00:32:56.000 I want to believe in my government.

00:32:58.000 I do.

00:32:58.000 I think it's healthy.

00:32:59.000 In fact, I think it would de-radicalize our politics.

00:33:02.000 But when crap like this happens and they're all of a sudden forking $40 billion, I mean, I take one week off, JD.

00:33:08.000 I come back and it's like $40 billion here. 0.95

00:33:11.000 I'm like, really?

00:33:12.000 Like, this is what I'm supposed to believe is in the best interest of our people.

00:33:16.000 It only makes me doubt them more and be more skeptical and cynical.

00:33:20.000 That's why you have to win.

00:33:21.000 JDvance.com.

00:33:22.000 JD, thanks for joining and come back anytime.

00:33:25.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:33:26.000 Good to be with you.

00:33:27.000 You bet.

00:33:28.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:29.000 Email me your thoughts as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:32.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:33:33.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 16, 2022

Ending the RINO Regime with J.D. Vance

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