The Charlie Kirk Show - Epstein, Rittenhouse, Waukesha, and Bobulinski—Exposing the Media's 'Memory Hole' with Jack Posobiec

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00:03:12.000 It's Jack Pesobic, everybody, from Human Events Daily brought to you with Human Events in Turning Point USA.

00:03:18.000 And Jack is going to be interviewing Kyle Rittenhouse with me.

00:03:22.000 That will be Kyle's, I think, third conversation.

00:03:24.000 But we're going to have a fun conversation with him.

00:03:27.000 We're going to talk about his life.

00:03:28.000 We're going to talk about the trial.

00:03:30.000 We're going to, it's not going to.

00:03:31.000 The Tucker interview is really intense.

00:03:33.000 That was like the hard news.

00:03:35.000 You know, boom, boom, boom.

00:03:36.000 We're going to humanize you. 0.99

00:03:37.000 This is, I, because that's the one thing that no one has, and certainly at the trial, they didn't talk about that at all either.

00:03:44.000 And, and, um, I want to know, I want to find out who is Kyle Rittenhouse, the person.

00:03:49.000 Yes.

00:03:50.000 You know what I mean?

00:03:51.000 What, what does Kenosha mean to him?

00:03:54.000 You know, obviously we get that he went out there that night, but he didn't go out there thrill-seeking the way they said.

00:03:59.000 It's because Kenosha meant something to him.

00:04:02.000 The idea of hometown, the idea of this is a place, this is a community that is worth defending, that has value.

00:04:09.000 I think that's so important for this movement.

00:04:11.000 It's so important for where we are as a country right now.

00:04:13.000 And it's obviously part of his story that nobody really seems to be talking about.

00:04:18.000 Yeah.

00:04:18.000 And in addition to that, you know, how they try to destroy his life, basically because he fit into an archetype that the regime doesn't want, which is a young white male from northern Illinois carrying a gun with his mouth open and the hat backwards during the midst of Floyd Apalooza.

00:04:35.000 Like that's not supposed to happen.

00:04:37.000 Well, it was also because it served two purposes for the regime propagandists.

00:04:41.000 So one was that it forced them to have to deal with the fact that the 2020 riots were in fact riots and not peaceful protests.

00:04:51.000 So it forced you to deal with that violence, but it also provided them a scapegoat.

00:04:57.000 It provided the entire national media, the national establishment infrastructure with a scapegoat to be able to pin everything on and say, don't worry.

00:05:05.000 Don't worry about the 30-plus people who were killed in these riots.

00:05:08.000 Don't worry about the kids who were killed in Chaz up in Seattle. 1.00

00:05:11.000 No, no, no.

00:05:11.000 Worry about Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:05:13.000 And we were talking about this last night over text.

00:05:16.000 This is the idea, the concept of anti-interest, right?

00:05:20.000 So anti-don't be interested in Chaz.

00:05:22.000 Yes.

00:05:23.000 Anti-interest.

00:05:24.000 People were killed at Waukesha.

00:05:25.000 Anti-interest.

00:05:26.000 We're going to talk about that.

00:05:27.000 Six people killed.

00:05:28.000 But we're not supposed to talk about it.

00:05:29.000 Talk about the car.

00:05:30.000 Talk about, you know, Kyle Rittenhouse again.

00:05:33.000 Talk about Gen 6.

00:05:34.000 Don't talk about Waukesha.

00:05:35.000 Never, ever, ever talk about Waukesha.

00:05:37.000 So it's an anti-interest disinformation campaign that's run around events like this.

00:05:43.000 But of course, because of Kyle Rittenhouse's situation, they were forced to deal with it.

00:05:46.000 So what do they do?

00:05:47.000 They make it about him.

00:05:48.000 It's the exact same thing, by the way, that used to happen at Trump rallies all the way back in 2015, 2016, where Antifa or left-wing groups would show up and they would start attacking people.

00:06:00.000 San Jose was one of the biggest ones of these in 2015.

00:06:03.000 They would start attacking people coming out of the rally, throwing eggs at women and different things.

00:06:09.000 And the media would always refer to it as violence breaks out at Trump rallies.

00:06:13.000 Yes, that's right.

00:06:14.000 So to make you think, so they never talk about where the violence comes from.

00:06:16.000 They never talk about the source of it.

00:06:18.000 They just say Trump and violence.

00:06:20.000 And so they co-brand that.

00:06:21.000 That's right.

00:06:22.000 And it's intentional for the purpose of trying to, I mean, create a narrative.

00:06:28.000 All they have is the narrative, right?

00:06:30.000 And so here you have two incidents, right?

00:06:32.000 So you have Kyle Rittenhouse, who has been declared not guilty, innocent by a jury of his peers for self-defense, never should have been indicted, never should have put in prison for 87 days, never should have been put through all this smeared, and he's victorious.

00:06:44.000 But just right down the street, and Jack, you've kind of, you have, you have this tendency to zero in on really important stories that the media tends to forget about and then just kind of keeping the drumbeat going.

00:06:54.000 And I mean that you're the best at that is this story of what happened in Waukesha, which was a Christmas parade. 0.76

00:07:02.000 And you have a black terrorist who's an anti-Semite who gets in the car, intentionally murders six people and injures 40 others. 0.91

00:07:10.000 We should point out as well that there are still children in the ICU right now, as you and I are talking. 0.98

00:07:15.000 And the media will not be bothered by this.

00:07:17.000 And what's amazing is, and I saw some tweets about this, that people were even saying they're like, hey, I've got like liberal friends and colleagues.

00:07:25.000 That was Guy Benson said.

00:07:26.000 That's Guy Benson said that.

00:07:28.000 That's who it was.

00:07:30.000 And they're reaching out to me saying, I think I start to see what you're talking about with the media.

00:07:35.000 Look at Deborah Messing, right?

00:07:36.000 Deborah Messing, who's known as, I mean, she's like a full-on blue and on, you know, arch leftist tweeting, this was an attack.

00:07:45.000 She called it the Waukeshaw massacre, which it was.

00:07:48.000 Because again, in the same way, right, that Loudoun County touched a nerve with everyone is because they were targeting children.

00:07:57.000 It's the same situation that you see in Waukesha, the targeting of children, and it's disgusting.

00:08:01.000 Yes.

00:08:02.000 But from an analytic perspective, you're hitting on social, biological, and spiritual triggers within people that are at a very, very deep level.

00:08:11.000 We're talking deep programming, base level programming.

00:08:14.000 Yes.

00:08:15.000 That you must defend your children.

00:08:17.000 These are people. 0.76

00:08:18.000 And in this case, he was killing children.

00:08:21.000 We know he killed at least one.

00:08:22.000 He tried to kill more than just one.

00:08:24.000 And so when we walked through that, you even had, you even had people online.

00:08:29.000 There was a guy in Anon, right?

00:08:31.000 You know, they call him the Anons. 0.97

00:08:33.000 And they were going through and driving the route.

00:08:36.000 So they drove the actual route after the thing had all been cleaned up and then timed it along to the police scanner radio.

00:08:44.000 Why?

00:08:44.000 So they could figure out the different speeds that he was using along that route.

00:08:49.000 And they realized that the only way it made sense, Charlie, was if he was driving slowly at the beginning and then sped up as he got closer to the parade.

00:08:59.000 The other thing that they showed very clearly for anyone to see, if you're not from Waukesha, and I remember in the early minutes of this, there's a group I work with called MythInformed Milwaukee, and they're all locals to the area.

00:09:10.000 And so they helped out with Kenosha.

00:09:12.000 They, you know, tell me about Jack Waukeshaw, it's tons of roads, many ways to go.

00:09:17.000 If you're fleeing the police, remember fleeing the police.

00:09:20.000 There's so many ways you could go.

00:09:21.000 Why would you ever drive down a parade?

00:09:23.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:09:24.000 They point out he had to turn through the barricades, turn onto a separate road, drive through the barricades deliberately to attack this parade.

00:09:34.000 If he was right to take the media's disinformation line, and it is disinformation, we can talk more about that.

00:09:40.000 It wouldn't have made any sense because he could have just continued driving straight and then been out of town.

00:09:46.000 And yet the media will not be concerned or distracted by this whatsoever.

00:09:51.000 They want nothing to do with Waukesha at all.

00:09:53.000 Well, I think you have different levels, right?

00:09:56.000 So I think most people that work and there was a there's actually a line in on Ryan Long's podcast recently to give a guy a shout out.

00:10:04.000 He said, we should stop calling them journalists.

00:10:05.000 We should just start calling them content creators.

00:10:07.000 So Brian Stelter's a CNN content creator and Jake Tapers a CNN content creator.

00:10:12.000 Well, TikTok people have far more integrity, though.

00:10:17.000 Exactly.

00:10:18.000 That's far more.

00:10:19.000 And so when you compare them on that level, I mean, suddenly you're taking away all the trappings of it.

00:10:24.000 And so the people that are hired for these journalistic positions, you go through the Columbia Journalism Review, right?

00:10:31.000 Yes.

00:10:32.000 They know that the people that are hired at that level, look, you end up going through one of these J schools, journalism schools, and you get like a 22-year-old graduate.

00:10:41.000 They don't know how to do journalism anymore.

00:10:43.000 They're activists whose journalism consists of, oh, I'm going to type in the search bar on Google and pick whatever the top three links are.

00:10:49.000 Yes.

00:10:50.000 And they're the ones who get put out.

00:10:51.000 Then they regurgitate whatever was said, maybe add like one line on top or something like that.

00:10:56.000 They're not actually going out.

00:10:57.000 They're not doing the work anymore.

00:10:58.000 And that is why that model is completely failing. 0.98

00:11:01.000 And so Daryl Brooks called for violence against white people. 0.98

00:11:04.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:11:05.000 He had explicit postings about trying to kill white people and try to put forward violence against them. 0.96

00:11:14.000 He has a $5 million bond right now, right, in Wisconsin. 1.00

00:11:18.000 Which is ridiculous.

00:11:19.000 It should have been zero.

00:11:20.000 None.

00:11:20.000 Zero bond.

00:11:21.000 He's a mass murderer, six people.

00:11:23.000 There's still children in the ICU.

00:11:25.000 And the media is done.

00:11:26.000 No follow-up about friends and family, none about motives, none about, you know, where they came from.

00:11:32.000 But Charlie, think of the narrative policing that's done by people.

00:11:34.000 So they call them the narrative police.

00:11:36.000 Maybe we call them narrative commissars now, by places like the Daily Beast.

00:11:39.000 They'll tell you every single thing that Kyle Rittenhouse ever said on social media, the name of his account, what kind of hand gestures he's making in photos on his account.

00:11:49.000 But when it comes to Darrell Lee Brooks, don't talk about that account.

00:11:52.000 That's a bad faith connection, right?

00:11:54.000 You see what they're doing, Charlie, is it's narrative policing.

00:11:57.000 This isn't journalism.

00:11:58.000 It's cracking down on people doing actual terrorism.

00:12:01.000 And it's because of the regime.

00:12:03.000 The narrative is all they have, right? 0.99

00:12:04.000 So they do not have anything else except white people are going to be roaming the streets with guns and try to kill people. 1.00

00:12:10.000 And black people, they're nothing but victims. 1.00

00:12:12.000 But Daryl Brooks, being a black supremacist terrorist, is a narrative buster. 1.00

00:12:17.000 Therefore, they must memory hole him. 0.98

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00:13:25.000 Who are we going to be interviewing together, Jack?

00:13:27.000 We are going to be interviewing the Kenosha kid himself.

00:13:31.000 Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:13:32.000 I don't do a lot of joint interviews, but I said, Jack deserves and earned to interview Kyle alongside me because you were on top of the Rittenhouse thing the entire time.

00:13:42.000 You know, I just thought that it was a case where it would have been very easy and probably, you know, to some extent safer, right, to not talk about this.

00:13:52.000 The media had run an entire disinformation program against this individual and said he's a racist and he's a killer and he's a murderer and a thug and a thrill seeker and all this stuff.

00:14:05.000 And the normal things where people could say, well, you know, maybe I'll just go tweet about the CCP and, you know, do something that is considered a little safer these days.

00:14:15.000 I don't know if the CCP is considered safer, but it's definitely safer than Rittenhouse.

00:14:19.000 Than Rittenhouse.

00:14:20.000 Yeah, yeah, comparatively.

00:14:21.000 So it's, and it's my bread and butter as well.

00:14:23.000 But at the same time, I remember watching it that night on the live stream and I saw what happened.

00:14:32.000 And that left an indelible vision in my mind, indelible image in my mind.

00:14:37.000 And it's one of those things where, you know, I couldn't see an innocent person go behind bars.

00:14:45.000 And I couldn't see someone who, by the way, wasn't just defending himself, right?

00:14:49.000 He's a survivor.

00:14:51.000 And I think people need to understand that.

00:14:53.000 He's a survivor.

00:14:54.000 He obviously, they said throughout the trial that he has begun therapy for PTSD.

00:15:00.000 If you saw him when he took the stand, he clearly showed, I mean, I'm a veteran.

00:15:04.000 That's clear textbook signs of PTSD.

00:15:07.000 If you met someone who's been in combat, that, you know, they used to call it shell shock, you know, before they had real studies on it, but classic symptoms, right?

00:15:14.000 Anybody who said that was, you know, put on or something.

00:15:18.000 No, that's, that's what it looks like.

00:15:20.000 That's exactly what it looks like.

00:15:22.000 So, you know, it was a situation where I said, I don't want to let the media win on this because I think this is something where it's not just about, it is about Kyle, the person, right?

00:15:33.000 And certainly his family and everything they've been through, but it's also about where we are as a country, whether or not we have the right to self-defense, the Second Amendment.

00:15:40.000 And, you know, I had to say this because I think a lot of people weren't getting it that self-defense.

00:15:46.000 They said, well, why do you, why can you do that?

00:15:48.000 Why should you be able to do that?

00:15:48.000 Right.

00:15:50.000 And it's quite clear.

00:15:52.000 Self-defense, the right to self-defense is the positive expression of the right to life.

00:15:58.000 So you have the right to life.

00:15:59.000 And we say that's in all of our founding documents.

00:16:02.000 We are pro-life, right?

00:16:03.000 But if you can't defend it, right?

00:16:06.000 If you can't defend your life, well, then you don't actually have any positive expression of that right.

00:16:10.000 So, yes, the right to defend your life means I will defend my life up to and including any cost because I will have that right and I will defend it.

00:16:21.000 Period.

00:16:21.000 I mean, I totally agree.

00:16:22.000 And your coverage of the Rittenhouse trial, you were early, you were ahead of the curve, and you were breaking stories throughout.

00:16:30.000 And so you were.

00:16:31.000 We did.

00:16:32.000 We ended up getting, well, the big one, I think, really, and there's lots of little things that you could say, you know, we got into the evidence tampering.

00:16:38.000 We got into the really corrupt things that this DA Binger and this guy Lunchbox, I call him, were doing his sidekick.

00:16:44.000 Nobody even remembers his name anywhere.

00:16:46.000 Everybody calls him Lunchbox.

00:16:47.000 I've even been told that in Kenosha at that courthouse, people are calling him Lunchbox now.

00:16:51.000 And the big video that we broke was the fact that the FBI had aerial surveillance.

00:16:58.000 This was an amazing story.

00:17:00.000 And we got the actual footage from an FBI, it was contractors, FBI contracted airplane with an optical package on the bottom of it, where this had not been released for 14 months, Charlie.

00:17:16.000 The FBI, the whole thing was exculpatory.

00:17:20.000 But here's the bigger question: what was the FBI hiding?

00:17:24.000 And I think it's pretty clear, right?

00:17:25.000 They probably had these up over every single one of those riots in 2020.

00:17:30.000 The riots that were all told were just political protests.

00:17:32.000 And I'll do one better, they more than likely had a special access program or a SAP that was running where, do you really think the FBI is only going to put an optical package on their planes?

00:17:42.000 No.

00:17:43.000 They more than likely had a signals package, communications package, where they're tracking cell phones, they're tracking SIM cards, they want to know who's in there.

00:17:50.000 So that means in real time, more than likely in real time, they knew exactly who was in that riot, exactly who was firing, exactly who was chasing who, even several of the people who fired at Kyle that have still not been identified.

00:18:04.000 Because I watch that video a lot of times.

00:18:05.000 When he's running down that street, you can hear gunfire going off at him.

00:18:10.000 We still have no idea who exactly.

00:18:12.000 But the FBI knows.

00:18:13.000 But the FBI knows.

00:18:14.000 And they knew that night.

00:18:14.000 100%.

00:18:14.000 And it was.

00:18:15.000 It was exculpatory and it could have all of this drama with Kyle could have been avoided, but the prosecutors intentionally withheld evidence.

00:18:23.000 Imagine if that video had come out the next day.

00:18:25.000 Yeah, and it would have changed the entire game.

00:18:27.000 But of course, our government is not in the interest of protecting young teenagers that are not in the regime.

00:18:36.000 But Charlie, I thought it was all about finding truth and seeking justice.

00:18:42.000 Right.

00:18:43.000 Democracy dies in darkness.

00:18:44.000 Yes.

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00:19:52.000 Jack, I have a feeling that we're going to get a couple of views on that interview.

00:19:55.000 One or two, more than likely.

00:19:57.000 I think that's going to be pretty well.

00:19:59.000 Well, we'll share it.

00:20:00.000 Might have to talk about ASU a little bit.

00:20:02.000 Yes, we're going to talk about that.

00:20:04.000 I had an opportunity to meet Kyle a couple days ago.

00:20:06.000 What an amazing young man.

00:20:08.000 I mean, I say this.

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00:20:12.000 I haven't met him yet, but I've had the opportunity to speak with him on the phone.

00:20:15.000 And you'll be blown away.

00:20:17.000 He's real.

00:20:18.000 He's so down to earth.

00:20:19.000 He's real.

00:20:20.000 And I love real.

00:20:22.000 You know, and I think back to myself at 17, 18, and I'm like going to concerts, chasing girls.

00:20:22.000 It's so rare.

00:20:31.000 I'm not thinking about any of this stuff.

00:20:33.000 And, you know, maybe that's one of those things in the late 90s, early 2000s, you didn't have to think about this stuff.

00:20:39.000 That's an interesting point, which is that.

00:20:42.000 Politics was something that, you know, pre-9/11, politics was something that came around like once every four years and then went away.

00:20:47.000 Unless you were super into it.

00:20:48.000 Yeah, unless you're like a teacher.

00:20:49.000 But it's also, it was transactional.

00:20:51.000 It was like, I want to be a Senate staffer.

00:20:53.000 Yeah.

00:20:53.000 It wasn't.

00:20:54.000 Like you had to choose to go.

00:20:56.000 There's no choosing anymore.

00:20:57.000 No.

00:20:57.000 And that's interesting.

00:20:59.000 I want to read this quote from one of my favorite books, 1984 by George Orwell.

00:21:04.000 People that listen to this show, Jack, they know that we have studied 84 together.

00:21:08.000 And I think actually many of the lessons of 84 are actually summarized incorrectly.

00:21:14.000 The surveillance part of 84 is only one part of it, right?

00:21:17.000 Everyone thinks that, oh, the government's going to spy on everything you do.

00:21:19.000 That's only one element.

00:21:20.000 Well, that's what, you know, Orwell was like only half right on the mass surveillance.

00:21:25.000 What do you mean by that?

00:21:26.000 Because we do have mass surveillance now, but it's not just the government.

00:21:29.000 It's just everyone's surveilling on everyone else.

00:21:31.000 That's right.

00:21:31.000 Well, no, he was right about that.

00:21:33.000 So he was right that there'd be informers everywhere.

00:21:35.000 He'd write about kids turning in their parents, kids turning to parents.

00:21:37.000 He saw that.

00:21:38.000 So he saw it, but he didn't realize that even the technology, and he, you know, how would you know, writing in the 40s, that the technological capacity that we would have to do?

00:21:49.000 When he wrote the book, we didn't have iPhones.

00:21:51.000 He came up, he saw the telescreen.

00:21:53.000 We didn't have a phone.

00:21:54.000 He did see the telescreen.

00:21:54.000 That's true.

00:21:55.000 That's true.

00:21:56.000 But where I think that.

00:21:57.000 Was it how many 15 minutes exercise or something every morning?

00:22:02.000 I would actually not, I don't think Orwell got anything wrong.

00:22:04.000 Which, by the way, I mean, if every American had to do 15 minutes exercise, that might just say.

00:22:10.000 I just don't think the way that we look at 84 is totally correct, which is the end of 84 is the most important part where the initial rebel actually then becomes a subservient slave to the state because it's this loop that Orwell argues.

00:22:26.000 It's a very provocative argument that hatred can eventually become love if you if you push the human soul and spirit so far.

00:22:36.000 Hatred and love are two sides of the same coin.

00:22:38.000 Yeah.

00:22:39.000 And because so anyway, I want to read this quote.

00:22:40.000 By the way, I went to see the 84, the play that they did up in New York.

00:22:46.000 The play was even worse.

00:22:47.000 Oh, is that right?

00:22:48.000 Even that's hard to believe.

00:22:49.000 I mean, it was like they tried to do this whole Quentin Tarantino, take it out of time kind of thing.

00:22:55.000 The only thing they did well was the remember the name of the number of the room, room 101.

00:23:02.000 You mean when Mr. O'Brien came in?

00:23:05.000 Yeah.

00:23:06.000 That one they did really well on stage.

00:23:09.000 But the rest of it, yeah, with the box, with the rats.

00:23:11.000 Yes.

00:23:12.000 But everything else was just horrible.

00:23:13.000 All right.

00:23:13.000 Let me read this quote.

00:23:15.000 This last was for the disposal for waste paper.

00:23:18.000 Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room, but at short intervals in every corridor.

00:23:27.000 For some reason, they were nicknamed memory holes.

00:23:31.000 When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about it, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in.

00:23:43.000 Whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building.

00:23:53.000 What is Orwell talking about here, Jack?

00:23:55.000 So, and I don't even think people realize that memory holing actually is a term that was created by Orwell, the fact that we use it all the time now.

00:24:05.000 What he's talking about is if something becomes dangerous to the narrative or something becomes problematic for the narrative, then it must be disposed of.

00:24:16.000 Specifically, they talk about people and they're referring to certain Soviet leaders or referencing certain Soviet leaders who were sort of purged.

00:24:24.000 And then not only were they taken away from the current lineup, but any mention of them, and there's photographs of Stalin and others that are taken away because it's so important that remember, the revolution must be perfect.

00:24:35.000 The party must be perfect.

00:24:36.000 The party does not make mistakes.

00:24:38.000 The regime does not make mistakes.

00:24:39.000 Big Brother does not make mistakes.

00:24:41.000 And so anything in the past that could be considered, that we now realize was a mistake must be taken away because it must be pristine.

00:24:47.000 It must be perfect.

00:24:48.000 The problem, though, Charlie, and you're seeing this with Jack Dorsey today, talk about the breaking news.

00:24:53.000 Breaking Twitter.

00:24:54.000 What is the breaking Twitter news?

00:24:55.000 So the breaking news on Twitter, which isn't Twitter news, actually news about Twitter, the company, is that Jack Dorsey, the CEO of Twitter, announced that he's going to be stepping down as CEO today.

00:25:06.000 And they are appointing a longtime employee of Twitter to be a guy who's been very, I'm just going to say it, very pro-censorship.

00:25:14.000 He's posted very left-wing sentiments, obviously not a Trump fan, to say the least, about Twitter for years, going back.

00:25:22.000 And you can just look at his feed and see it there.

00:25:24.000 And he said something where he doesn't believe, right?

00:25:27.000 This is the new CEO, doesn't believe that Twitter should be interested in focusing on free speech.

00:25:33.000 He says we should be focusing on the times have changed.

00:25:37.000 The times have changed.

00:25:38.000 And so here's the problem for the memory holers and the regime propagandists and the narrative commissars.

00:25:45.000 With social media and the information age, it has democratized information.

00:25:51.000 It's democratized narratives.

00:25:53.000 It's given regular people the ability to go.

00:25:57.000 Like I'm a kid from Philly area, you know, grew up in post-industrial town, you know.

00:26:04.000 And then, you know, my family going back all the way in Poland was just a bunch of farmers and soldiers, right?

00:26:09.000 But we have the ability now to go in and dig up stuff that they tried to bury in these memory holes.

00:26:16.000 And that represents a huge problem for the regime.

00:26:20.000 So that is why they try to shut everybody down.

00:26:23.000 That is why they are kicking Jack Dorsey out now.

00:26:25.000 They're bringing in this censorship guy.

00:26:27.000 They want it, by the way, done before McCarthy and the new Congress gets in in 23.

00:26:31.000 So there's a timeline on this.

00:26:33.000 But most importantly, though, they need to understand that the narrative is so important for them to keep because think of it, right?

00:26:42.000 All of the things that we've just been talking about, if we didn't have the ability to go into the narrative, dig up facts on our own, and then also have the distribution ability to share that with people.

00:26:52.000 And I understand there are other distribution channels being built, but currently they're so strong of the current ones.

00:27:00.000 That's why a lot of people have said, you know, do these things look like public utilities, right?

00:27:05.000 And that I think is an interesting argument.

00:27:06.000 It's obviously not a traditional conservative argument, but if you look at it from a people-first perspective, it clearly does look like this is, I mean, it's where you get your news.

00:27:17.000 It's where you get your local news.

00:27:19.000 We don't have the newspaper anymore.

00:27:20.000 We have the local Facebook page.

00:27:22.000 Right.

00:27:22.000 Or what's the one?

00:27:24.000 Nextdoor, right?

00:27:25.000 Or some of these other apps.

00:27:26.000 I actually love Nextdoor because it's all the Karens in my neighborhood. 1.00

00:27:29.000 So I get to see like someone that was on my lawn and, you know, somebody, but you actually get some cool stuff on there too, because somebody posts a ring video like, hey, somebody's going around the neighborhood keeping an out for this guy.

00:27:39.000 So I think I actually think that stuff is great.

00:27:41.000 And you're starting to see burgeoning, you know, reforming communities, things like this.

00:27:45.000 So what, so speaking of memory holes and things they don't want us to talk about, what's going on with the Ghelane Maxwell trial?

00:27:50.000 It starts today, right?

00:27:51.000 Yeah.

00:27:52.000 So they're doing to Ghelane Maxwell the exact same thing they did to Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:27:57.000 And you're not going to hear anybody else say that.

00:27:59.000 I mean, there's probably going to be people in the comments right now saying, Jack, you can't compare her to Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:28:05.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:28:06.000 That's not what I'm talking about.

00:28:08.000 I'm talking about the practice of scapegoating.

00:28:11.000 The Jeffrey Epstein story is only as important as the Jeffrey Epstein network.

00:28:20.000 It's about the black book.

00:28:21.000 It's about how did he have that access to power?

00:28:24.000 How did he get these presidents, these world leaders, these thinkers, these intellectuals, these financiers on his plane on the Lolita Express all the way down to his island?

00:28:33.000 That's what the story is about.

00:28:35.000 But they don't want you to talk about the Epstein network.

00:28:38.000 They want you to talk about him.

00:28:39.000 They want you to talk about did he or didn't he in this jail cell?

00:28:42.000 And they want you to talk about Ghelane Maxwell.

00:28:44.000 And then she'll probably, I'm just going to say it.

00:28:46.000 She will probably be convicted. 0.87

00:28:47.000 I do believe she should have a fair trial because I believe everyone should have a fair trial, but she will probably be convicted.

00:28:54.000 And then they want the story to be memory hold.

00:28:58.000 And so the Epstein thing is super interesting because anytime they call us conspiracy theorists, if I ever get a chance to talk to journalists, I say, wait a second.

00:29:06.000 If you would have told me five years ago, it would be conventional.

00:29:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:29:10.000 Like just like everyone would know that there was a multi, not even billionaire, let's just say rich guy flying around members of the royal family, former presidents and others to an island with underage girls.

00:29:23.000 What would you say that would be four years ago?

00:29:25.000 They'd say, that's a conspiracy theorist.

00:29:27.000 That's Alex Jones.

00:29:29.000 That's Infowars.

00:29:30.000 They want to get this out.

00:29:31.000 They want to get this away quickly.

00:29:32.000 They don't want emphasis on it.

00:29:34.000 Do you think we're going to learn anything in this trial?

00:29:36.000 Honestly, I mean, we're going to cover it, Charlie, on Human Events Daily, the same way that we covered Kyle Rittenhouse, the same way we covered everything else.

00:29:43.000 But honestly, my hopes are not that high.

00:29:47.000 I'm setting the bar pretty low on this one because we've already been told.

00:29:49.000 Do you think she's going to sing?

00:29:50.000 That's certain.

00:29:51.000 No, I don't think she will.

00:29:52.000 I think she's been told it will go better for you if you let this process play out.

00:29:57.000 So she gets life in jail.

00:29:58.000 So what?

00:29:58.000 You'll get life in jail.

00:30:00.000 And that's it.

00:30:02.000 So she spends the next 30 years of her life reading Dostoevsky or something or like.

00:30:09.000 Or maybe writing her own.

00:30:10.000 Yeah, I mean, exactly.

00:30:11.000 I mean, I guess.

00:30:12.000 She's someone who, I mean, when you really look at it from that perspective, she holds all the cards.

00:30:18.000 She actually does because she's the only one who knows the secrets.

00:30:22.000 So the question is, if you're going to convict her and put her in a box for the rest of her life, why wouldn't she talk? 0.62

00:30:28.000 Well, that's the question.

00:30:29.000 What are they threatening her with?

00:30:30.000 Right.

00:30:31.000 So either that or there's loved ones that she cares about that have been subtly threatened.

00:30:36.000 She is married.

00:30:37.000 I believe she has a couple of stepkids.

00:30:38.000 Okay.

00:30:39.000 Yeah.

00:30:39.000 Or she gets a bigger box to spend the rest of her life in minimum security prison or something.

00:30:44.000 I can't imagine, you know, I can't imagine what else you would be providing.

00:30:48.000 I mean, look, when I was at Guantanamo Bay, I did a deployment down there.

00:30:52.000 You know, you'd sit there with these guys and they would say, you know, what are you going to offer me?

00:30:58.000 You can't get me out of here.

00:30:59.000 You can't get me home.

00:31:00.000 I'm stuck here for the rest of my life, you know?

00:31:02.000 And then, you know, the guy would have to say, well, Barack Obama tried to get you out of here and he couldn't even do it.

00:31:08.000 So what makes you think I can?

00:31:09.000 He outranks me by a little bit.

00:31:12.000 But it really does become a situation of, look, I can get you better accommodations.

00:31:16.000 But as beyond that, there's not really much I could do.

00:31:19.000 Guantamino is right near Cuba, isn't it?

00:31:21.000 It's in Cuba.

00:31:22.000 I never understood the makeup of that.

00:31:25.000 So it's on a peninsula that's like at the edge of the actual Bay of Guantanamo.

00:31:30.000 But we control it.

00:31:31.000 We've controlled it since the Spanish-American War of 1898 is our oldest overseas base.

00:31:36.000 And so how much of Cuba then do we then control?

00:31:39.000 It's like less than a percent.

00:31:41.000 Okay.

00:31:42.000 But so then that gives us then the ability to not have to be under American law.

00:31:47.000 Is that right?

00:31:47.000 I mean, that was the thinking under the Bush administration.

00:31:50.000 The Supreme Court kind of eviscerated that, but that was the thinking.

00:31:53.000 Got it.

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00:33:50.000 All right.

00:33:50.000 So, Jack, I have four topics.

00:33:52.000 Take your pick.

00:33:53.000 Walk a shop, Maxwell, Twitter, or the Epstein Network, or Hunter Biden and the new Tony Bobulinsky stuff.

00:34:00.000 I haven't heard the new Tony Bobulinsky stuff.

00:34:02.000 He's the new Tony.

00:34:03.000 He's coming out.

00:34:04.000 He's coming out of hiding and he's going to.

00:34:05.000 Is he coming out?

00:34:06.000 He's going to confirm that the big man was indeed Joe Biden.

00:34:09.000 Pierogi gang, ladies and gentlemen.

00:34:11.000 Never discount the pierogi gang.

00:34:13.000 What's that?

00:34:14.000 The polls will always ride to the defense of the West.

00:34:19.000 When you are in your darkest hour, when the communists are at your door in 1920 about and the Red Army is about to take over all of Europe, it will be Poland standing in the breach. 0.85

00:34:30.000 What does that have to do with?

00:34:31.000 Oh, you're saying because Tony's...

00:34:32.000 Because Bobulinsky's Polish. 0.97

00:34:34.000 Got it.

00:34:34.000 Okay.

00:34:35.000 So.

00:34:35.000 It's always the polls, folks.

00:34:37.000 Always the polls.

00:34:38.000 So the Hunter Biden thing, I don't think we're going to get much movement on that.

00:34:41.000 Same sort of deal.

00:34:42.000 I mean, I think we knew that, though.

00:34:44.000 I mean, when I got that hard drive, and I still have a copy of it, by the way, of what?

00:34:49.000 The Hunter Biden hard drive.

00:34:50.000 See, be careful saying that they're going to raid your apartment or something.

00:34:52.000 They probably will.

00:34:53.000 You know, I've said it publicly.

00:34:54.000 I said, do you guys want that?

00:34:56.000 I'd be happy to give you a copy.

00:34:57.000 I went on, I went on War Room at the time and I said, Maggie Haberman, Jake Taper, you guys, you're right here in town.

00:35:04.000 Come by.

00:35:05.000 And I will give you.

00:35:06.000 And then Mark Cuban.

00:35:07.000 So what's on the hardware?

00:35:07.000 Mark Cuban responded to me and said he would come by and get it, but he was like, he was putting all these like caveats on it.

00:35:14.000 Like, oh, but I don't want the Giuliani hard drive.

00:35:18.000 I want to.

00:35:19.000 What is on the Hunter Biden hard drive?

00:35:21.000 Okay, so.

00:35:22.000 Separate fact from fiction.

00:35:23.000 Right.

00:35:24.000 So there's some, I mean, this guy had his interests that were, there's definitely a lot of depravity.

00:35:32.000 Is there illegal depravity?

00:35:35.000 I'm not qualified in that, qualified enough in that realm to be able to say one way or the other.

00:35:42.000 Okay.

00:35:42.000 I will say it is questionable.

00:35:45.000 And I'm trying very hard to talk around what it is, but it's one of those situations where you just don't know.

00:35:52.000 You know what I mean?

00:35:53.000 You just don't know.

00:35:54.000 So I would have to show that to a qualified person who's worked in that field about essentially, well, the Ghislaine Maxwell kind of stuff to determine whether or not we could, I mean, essentially, you'd have to identify who the girls are and then find out birth dates and that kind of thing.

00:36:11.000 I imagine would be, as Pat explained to me, is what you would do.

00:36:14.000 But in addition to that, in addition to that, and there's a lot of that, there's so much of that.

00:36:22.000 You have evidence of financial corruption going back years and years and years.

00:36:28.000 So Hunter Biden, and you can see this throughout the emails, the texts, he's the money guy.

00:36:33.000 He's the bagman for the family.

00:36:35.000 Joe doesn't touch the money.

00:36:36.000 Jill doesn't touch the money.

00:36:38.000 But when they need something paid for, they go to Hunter and they say, hey, move this money from here.

00:36:43.000 They were using like Venmo and Cash App and different things and just all the, you know, pay off this thing, pay off that thing, because they knew Hunter had the family money.

00:36:51.000 It's actually very Irish in many ways.

00:36:55.000 Also with the family drama, right?

00:36:56.000 It's a lot of Irish family drama, but also just this idea that's what you're really saying.

00:37:02.000 Yeah, well, that'd be Italian if I'd say mafios. 1.00

00:37:04.000 But there was an Irish that's their own.

00:37:06.000 Believe me, in Philly, we used to call them the KNA gang. 1.00

00:37:08.000 And I will say this.

00:37:09.000 So the KNA gang ran the streets.

00:37:11.000 That's Kensington now.

00:37:12.000 So what you see those crazy videos of Philly, that's Kensington, Kensington and Allegheny.

00:37:17.000 That area used to be controlled by the Irish mafia called the KNA gang.

00:37:20.000 And let me tell you something.

00:37:22.000 You were not doing drugs on the street when the KNA gang was in town.

00:37:25.000 So when you move down to Newark, Delaware, and in many ways, you know, Joe Biden used to be referred to as the third Pennsylvania senator, and there's a reason for this, that he was running that same type of operation.

00:37:35.000 But of course, Delaware is the state of corporate America.

00:37:38.000 Every major corporation is incorporated in Delaware, and Joe Biden was their senator, the same way that Chuck Schumer is very closely tied to Wall Street.

00:37:44.000 So it's, you know, that was always his power base.

00:37:47.000 So you can see the money is being funneled through Hunter, through various deals and, you know, opportunities, whether it be this Bohai Harvest thing in China or Burisma in Ukraine.

00:37:59.000 I mean, he's got, you know, Rosemont Seneca, all these different names and shell companies, but that's essentially what's going on.

00:38:03.000 Is the federal government investigating any of this?

00:38:05.000 We're told that there was an investigation opened for tax purposes.

00:38:10.000 That's the only thing we were told.

00:38:11.000 It's pretty weak. 0.54

00:38:13.000 It's ridiculous, but at the same time, that's why, and you and I were just talking about this offline. 0.90

00:38:18.000 You do need a new church and pike commission. 1.00

00:38:22.000 I would go ahead and call it the Langley Commission.

00:38:27.000 I didn't know you had a copy of the hard drive.

00:38:28.000 I do have a copy of the hard drive.

00:38:29.000 Do you ever think of publishing it?

00:38:31.000 We could figure it out.

00:38:32.000 Well, that's the thing, though, is like there's private information on here.

00:38:34.000 There's stuff that could be illegal on here.

00:38:37.000 So it's in terms of publishing it.

00:38:39.000 I don't, I mean, let's talk to the lawyers first.

00:38:42.000 Yeah, I just hope you don't get your door kicked in because that's what happened to James O'Keefe.

00:38:49.000 Thank you so much for listening.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - November 30, 2021

Epstein, Rittenhouse, Waukesha, and Bobulinski—Exposing the Media's 'Memory Hole' with Jack Posobiec

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