The Charlie Kirk Show - Erika Kirk's Address to America + The Great Southern Gerrymander

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00:01:18.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:20.000 We are here April 30th, 2026.

00:01:23.000 How are we doing, Blake?

00:01:24.000 Oh, we're doing excellent.

00:01:25.000 Great.

00:01:25.000 We are here at the YRefi Studio.

00:01:28.000 We took a little, you know, a different tack yesterday.

00:01:32.000 It was a special.

00:01:33.000 Erica had a message that she wanted to deliver.

00:01:36.000 I thought she did a great job.

00:01:38.000 And then.

00:01:39.000 It was interesting for a lot of our Real America's Voice audience.

00:01:42.000 This was probably the first time that you had been given the opportunity to see in full, at least on these airwaves, the Prove Me Wrongs from Charlie and some of the clips of Charlie's interactions.

00:01:54.000 And I thought it was a really poignant moment because you were able to see and compare and contrast in real time the way that the current rhetoric is being approached, often by our colleagues, our opponents, our foes.

00:02:09.000 What are we?

00:02:10.000 Our fellow citizens on the other side of the aisle.

00:02:12.000 Versus how Charlie would approach it.

00:02:14.000 And the contrast couldn't be more glaring.

00:02:16.000 Let's just be honest.

00:02:17.000 Charlie was a guy that would say, Come up to the front of the line if you disagree.

00:02:21.000 If you disagree, come up to the front of the line, ask your questions.

00:02:25.000 That's what it was all about.

00:02:26.000 It was about open discourse, open dialogue, debate, letting the differences be aired in public and see which idea was better, see who could get to the top.

00:02:35.000 So that's different than, Hey, I don't like you. 0.98

00:02:39.000 I'm going to try and kill you. 0.98

00:02:41.000 And unfortunately, that's what a lot of our Public discourse has devolved into. 0.96

00:02:46.000 And I thought Erica gave a poignant, poignant address and remarks, you know, after what happened to the White House Correspondents' Dinner.

00:02:52.000 I think a lot of us, when we were in that room, realized this is getting absolutely out of hand.

00:02:57.000 I mean, we've realized it on this show for at least seven months with what happened with Charlie.

00:03:02.000 But when you see a room full of the most prominent journalists in the country be exposed to a violence like that, and to be exposed to just the raw energy, the violent, raw energy that you could feel in the room, as even the Secret Service were jumping over tables and climbing on chairs around your head as you're huddled underneath a table.

00:03:23.000 I think it brings it home.

00:03:24.000 And I think this is an opportunity for the country to sort of reassess where we're at.

00:03:29.000 And it's an opportunity for all of us to reassess where we're at and realize we have to double and triple down our efforts to end the scourge of political violence in this country.

00:03:39.000 And so I was really proud of Erica.

00:03:41.000 I thought she did a great job.

00:03:43.000 And she addressed some of the things, saying, Hey, listen, when you dehumanize people, that has a destination. 0.91

00:03:50.000 When you believe that your political opponents are actual Nazis and fascists and tyrants, then yeah, I guess you could tie yourself into a knot ideologically and justify murdering them. 0.84

00:04:02.000 And that's what Cole Allen did. 0.69

00:04:03.000 Now, Cole Allen has been, we just found out, by the way, they did a review of the Secret Service agent who was shot.

00:04:11.000 That was not friendly fire.

00:04:13.000 It did, in fact, come from Cole Allen's gun.

00:04:16.000 So he's going to be in some serious trouble.

00:04:18.000 And then we have other breaking news that the attackers that went after Savannah Hernandez in Minneapolis, the Ostrusco family, all three have been charged, indicted federally.

00:04:28.000 A grand jury returned three indictments, or all indictments on all three, I should say.

00:04:34.000 And so we're going to see justice pursued there.

00:04:37.000 This is critically important.

00:04:39.000 And Blake, you know, you feel free to chime in here on this.

00:04:42.000 It's critically important that the people that attack people for their political views or their ideological views are held accountable in a very public way.

00:04:52.000 Because if this Ostrusco family would have gotten away with just a slap on the hand or a misdemeanor charge in Minneapolis, Hennepin County, as we were expecting, then what's to stop them from doing it again?

00:05:03.000 And what's to stop other people that are similarly bent and Minded to do it to other journalists and other reporters.

00:05:09.000 So, this was a huge, huge, huge news story yesterday that we wish we could have got to.

00:05:15.000 Go ahead.

00:05:17.000 As we've said, there has to be zero tolerance for assassination culture.

00:05:22.000 And downstream of that, you have to have, let's call it muscular free speech enforcement.

00:05:28.000 And that means that we have to set the norm that you resolve differences through argument, through debate, and it's not acceptable to treat it as some sort of sport to.

00:05:39.000 Attack a reporter you don't like, to attack a speaker you don't like, to sucker punch these people, to cause mayhem for their events, to, as we've seen on a lot of times, pull a gun, but even just, we've always seen these professors who will trash our tables, who will rip up their stuff.

00:05:57.000 There has to be pretty low tolerance for that as well.

00:06:00.000 You need a very strong, we've warned about the heckler's veto.

00:06:04.000 Well, we need a veto of the heckler's veto.

00:06:07.000 Well, the assassin's veto.

00:06:09.000 Yeah.

00:06:09.000 Here's a clip from Erica yesterday.

00:06:12.000 Um, Sot 30.

00:06:15.000 It is when you stop talking, bad things happen.

00:06:18.000 That's when violence happens.

00:06:19.000 Sot 30.

00:06:20.000 When we stop talking to each other, bad things happen.

00:06:23.000 This is why my husband created Turning Point USA so we could have civil discourse and debate and open dialogue.

00:06:31.000 This is a moment for Americans to come together and decide what kind of country we are going to be before we lose our country altogether.

00:06:38.000 In Romans 12, verse 21, it says, Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

00:06:44.000 Yep.

00:06:46.000 We will not be overcome by evil.

00:06:48.000 We will overcome evil with good.

00:06:51.000 That was what Charlie did.

00:06:52.000 That's what we must continue doing.

00:06:53.000 That's our call as Christians that we cannot let this country devolve into a cesspool of violence and political assassination.

00:07:00.000 We just simply can't.

00:07:01.000 What kind of country would our children inherit and our grandchildren inherit if we let this happen now?

00:07:08.000 So, I mean, I think it was a poignant moment.

00:07:10.000 We got a ton of emails from you guys in the audience.

00:07:14.000 Has a few pulled up.

00:07:15.000 Yeah, we just had a lot of reactions.

00:07:18.000 Some of it was, I, a lot of people, it caught people off guard to do that.

00:07:22.000 We haven't had Eric come on here too much.

00:07:25.000 But so, for example, William said, Erica's interest to the show today was a statement that makes me proud.

00:07:31.000 It is a message that Charlie would have said about the hate that we see today.

00:07:36.000 We got one from Kara God bless you, Erica.

00:07:39.000 Lift you and the kiddos and the Turning Point family in prayer every single day.

00:07:44.000 And she says, Charlie was big picture, and this was big picture as well.

00:07:48.000 There's not just one thing that can heal us, it takes everything above fitted together.

00:07:53.000 And she really liked how when Erica threw it to the old Charlie stuff, you buckle up, here we go. 0.56

00:08:01.000 We've got Colleen.

00:08:04.000 I just got done watching the video of Erica on the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:08:07.000 I cannot imagine the anguish and heartbreak that she is going through.

00:08:11.000 It is so frustrating to see how she has to fight for her existence and grieve, but she's been very brave.

00:08:18.000 Very true.

00:08:19.000 And just a lot of appreciation for seeing a lot of the Charlie stuff, which.

00:08:23.000 I think it is worth us pausing.

00:08:24.000 We've seen it, we've run it as special episodes, but a lot of people out there who watch primarily through Rav don't necessarily see lots and lots of Charlie debating on campus clips and stuff.

00:08:36.000 And so it was good that we were able to show that.

00:08:37.000 And we encourage all of you who like it and who do watch this primarily through Rav.

00:08:42.000 We continue to have Charlie debate greatest hits released as podcast episodes on the weekend.

00:08:47.000 We just had one of him debating pro life issues, we've had him debating border issues.

00:08:52.000 We encourage you to check those out because Charlie's message is still out there.

00:08:56.000 People need to hear it.

00:08:57.000 Totally.

00:08:57.000 And we went to a lot of effort to make sure that all those episodes are up now.

00:09:01.000 And so they check them out.

00:09:03.000 Please take advantage of that.

00:09:04.000 I want to play just a quick 10 seconds of Charlie just welcoming people who disagree.

00:09:08.000 And this is the essence of Turning Point.

00:09:10.000 This is Charlie's legacy.

00:09:12.000 It's one we can't forget.

00:09:13.000 It's one that needs to be pumped into the bloodstream of this country.

00:09:17.000 SOT 28.

00:09:17.000 You guys are welcome to ask anything.

00:09:19.000 Open mic.

00:09:20.000 Disagreement, most welcome.

00:09:21.000 If you disagree, come to the front of the line.

00:09:23.000 If you disagree, come to the front of the line.

00:09:25.000 If you disagree, go to the front of the line.

00:09:26.000 You guys know how it works.

00:09:27.000 You disagree, you can go to the line.

00:09:28.000 We'll have a great conversation.

00:09:30.000 Amen.

00:09:31.000 Miss him every day.

00:09:32.000 There's a couple of clips that I think really just make it pop, bring it to life about the way that the media treats left wing criminals and the way that they treat what happens when conservatives get attacked or, God forbid, killed.

00:09:48.000 So I'm going to start where this show really should start, and that's with Tyler Robinson, the man who is standing trial for the assassination of our friend Charlie.

00:09:58.000 And I want to take you back to how an ABC reporter.

00:10:02.000 Described a bloodthirsty murderer's text to his lover, his trans identifying gay furry lover. 0.89

00:10:12.000 I guess he's not a furry. 0.98

00:10:14.000 25.

00:10:15.000 It was very touching in a way that I think many of us didn't expect.

00:10:18.000 A very intimate portrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the suspect himself, with him repeatedly calling his roommate who was transitioning, calling him my love and I want to protect you, my love.

00:10:32.000 So it was this duality of someone who the attorney said.

00:10:36.000 Not only did he jeopardize the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd, but he was doing it in front of children, which is one of the aggravating circumstances of this case.

00:10:43.000 And on the other hand, he was, you know, speaking so lovingly about his partner.

00:10:47.000 So, a very interesting and, as Pierre said, riveting press conference, David.

00:10:51.000 That's really sick.

00:10:53.000 A touching portrait who jeopardized the life of.

00:10:57.000 No, he didn't jeopardize.

00:10:59.000 He stole Charlie's life.

00:11:00.000 He murdered him in cold blood.

00:11:03.000 But that's the way that they do it.

00:11:05.000 Do you see that, like, compound this clip?

00:11:09.000 Hundreds and hundreds of times over across the population set.

00:11:13.000 Do you see how this little propaganda starts playing on the minds of Americans?

00:11:16.000 And how you start sympathizing with the violent criminals that are killing people?

00:11:25.000 Or how about this one? 0.92

00:11:26.000 Remember Irina Zarutska, who was viciously stabbed in the neck while just trying to get home after work at a pizza parlor?

00:11:34.000 She was a Ukrainian refugee who survived the war in Ukraine only to get killed.

00:11:39.000 Brutally by a multiple convicted felon that was somehow walking the streets that never should have been there, released by Week on Crime Democrat Policies, SOT 24. 0.97

00:11:52.000 When you are mentally ill, you have a hard time knowing that you are mentally ill.

00:11:56.000 But also, I mean, people like Charlie Kirk, fan, they've been looking for opportunities to make this some sort of like reciprocal George Floyd situation.

00:12:06.000 We don't know why that man did what he did.

00:12:08.000 And for Charlie Kirk to say, We know he did it because she's white when there's no evidence of that.

00:12:14.000 It's just pure race mongering, hate mongering.

00:12:17.000 It's wrong.

00:12:18.000 Then he says that if something like that had happened the other way, there would be sweeping changes imposed on society.

00:12:24.000 We don't know how to deal with people who were hurting in the way this man was hurting.

00:12:29.000 Hurt people hurt people.

00:12:30.000 What happened was horrible, but it becomes an opportunity for people to jump on bandwagons.

00:12:34.000 And then for someone like Charlie Kirk, he should be ashamed of himself.

00:12:37.000 No one mentioned the word race, white, black, or anything except him.

00:12:42.000 Oh.

00:12:43.000 Hurt people hurt people. 0.85

00:12:45.000 That's how they summed up a lunatic stabbing a woman in the throat for no reason, completely unprovoked.

00:12:52.000 A crime we've seen over and over and over again in the country. 0.92

00:12:55.000 Sickness for the criminals is obscene.

00:12:57.000 A crime that happens sadly routinely.

00:13:01.000 We've seen, if you want other proof that they love criminals, just what is it?

00:13:05.000 Every other week on this show, we have to cover a new illegal immigrant led into this country under Biden, immediately allowed to come here as an asylum claimie.

00:13:14.000 And they murder a random person. 0.99

00:13:16.000 Never should have been here.

00:13:17.000 Obviously, bad news.

00:13:19.000 They were allowed in because, on a fundamental level, when the left sees criminals and they see normal people, their sympathy goes to that criminal.

00:13:28.000 I guess they have an easier time envisioning themselves as that criminal than as the normal person who'd be their victim.

00:13:34.000 Listen, sympathy for the criminals is cruelty to the victims.

00:13:37.000 And I think we should hit another theme of what Erica said yesterday that so much of what.

00:13:44.000 The press does to whip people up, to whip their own base up, to whip people like that teacher who wanted to kill the president up, or frankly, like Tyler Robinson, because he, a lot of those trans shooters that we've seen, they're whipped up by this idea that there is an impending genocide of trans people going on, that they're facing annihilation.

00:14:04.000 They're whipped up by a press that uses that kind of rhetoric.

00:14:08.000 And as she pointed out, she was at, she just tweeted this last night.

00:14:12.000 I'll read it.

00:14:13.000 Many of the left-wing journalists that attended the White House Correspondents' Dinner. Have spent years consistently calling President Trump a Nazi, a threat to democracy, and Hitler, and then they joyfully attended that evening's event.

00:14:25.000 If they truly believe their own rhetoric, then they are either joyfully and willingly having dinner with Hitler, or they are lying to radicalize American citizens with narratives they know are grossly exaggerated. 0.62

00:14:40.000 And we know it's basically the second point that deep down they know their stuff is hysterical.

00:14:47.000 They will claim Trump is a dictator and then also trot out and say, We need to beat him in the next election.

00:14:53.000 Dictators don't go up for normal election.

00:14:55.000 Yeah, she's absolutely right.

00:14:56.000 And I will tell you, you know, to compare that to the Van Jones clip where he's sympathizing with the killer of Irina Zaruska, compare that to Charlie Kirk the way he covered it.

00:15:08.000 Saw 23.

00:15:10.000 This was one of the coldest, most senseless murders I've ever seen.

00:15:14.000 She had no interaction with this guy whatsoever.

00:15:16.000 She was sitting on her own business and you just. 0.94

00:15:18.000 Takes out a knife and just decides to stab her.

00:15:20.000 I do say this with some form of just heaviness.

00:15:23.000 I don't like politicizing situations like this, but it just necessitates it because there are so many dynamics at play here.

00:15:29.000 Based on the information evidence we have, the attacker did say, I got that white girl.

00:15:39.000 The attacker racialized it in his own telling of this situation.

00:15:43.000 And we all know this.

00:15:44.000 Any honest observer of your program knows this, including Van Jones even knows this deep down, which is that, of course, if a random white person on a subway took out a knife and stabbed a black girl senselessly to death, there would be massive media coverage.

00:16:00.000 Policy changes, there'd be people having to apologize for this.

00:16:04.000 We saw this in George Floyd, and yet, for whatever reason, this situation has not garnered even a fraction of that kind of outrage or backlash.

00:16:14.000 I wasn't expecting this, I have to say, but death of recess, it stopped me in my tracks.

00:16:21.000 This isn't about dodgeballs and jungle gyms, it's about control.

00:16:24.000 The modern American classroom didn't just happen, it was intentionally designed, it was standardized and centralized.

00:16:31.000 And once you see who built it and who protects it, Everything clicks.

00:16:35.000 Billions of dollars are flowing through education bureaucracies every year.

00:16:39.000 Test scores collapse, and somehow the answer is always more money and less parental authority.

00:16:44.000 The documentary breaks down how organizations like the NEA amassed enormous influence, how radical gender ideology entered classrooms, and why something as basic as recess, movement, freedom, childhood, you know, had to go.

00:16:59.000 That's not random, that's systemic.

00:17:01.000 Institutions protect themselves, they do not protect your kids.

00:17:05.000 And that's why this documentary exists on Angel Studios streaming platform, Angel Guild.

00:17:10.000 Angel Guild is willing to distribute films that challenge powerful systems when legacy media won't touch them.

00:17:16.000 So, right now, go to angel.comslash Charlie and watch Death of Recess right now.

00:17:23.000 If you're a parent or plan to be, you need to see this.

00:17:25.000 That's angel.comslash Charlie and watch Death of Recess.

00:17:32.000 Without further ado, Rep. Andy Ogles, Republican from Tennessee, House Freedom Caucus member.

00:17:37.000 Welcome back to the show, Congressman.

00:17:39.000 Absolutely.

00:17:40.000 Thanks for having me.

00:17:41.000 So, I know we got a lot of ground to cover, but I want to start because we haven't had a chance to address it on the show.

00:17:47.000 Yesterday, we did a special with Erica Kirk, and the Supreme Court case broke.

00:17:53.000 And so, we're kind of catching up here.

00:17:55.000 But the VRA, Section 2 of the VRA, has been basically gutted by the Supreme Court based on the Louisiana maps.

00:18:02.000 But this could have implications across, especially the South, where you have these minority, racially gerrymandered districts.

00:18:09.000 And now, your colleague in the Senate, Marsha Blackburn, has called for a new map.

00:18:14.000 If you could throw that up, folks, a new map of Tennessee.

00:18:18.000 And you will notice conspicuously, it's all red.

00:18:23.000 The map is all red.

00:18:25.000 So, what is your take on this?

00:18:27.000 And what's your reaction to Senator Blackburn's suggestion here?

00:18:30.000 It's a beautiful map.

00:18:32.000 You know, I think what you can do is look at New England states and what we've seen historically over the last several decades the Democrats will use every tool.

00:18:41.000 Every weapon that they have at their disposal to undermine the Republic and to undermine Republicans.

00:18:47.000 And so when you look at the map of New England, it's all blue.

00:18:50.000 Why?

00:18:50.000 Because they've gerrymandered those districts.

00:18:52.000 And so now with this Supreme Court ruling, we truly in the South have the opportunity to take back the House of Representatives to increase our margins.

00:19:02.000 And look, the midterms, we know the Democrats are going to lie, cheat, and steal.

00:19:06.000 We just know that, right?

00:19:07.000 And so whether or not we hold the House, whether or not we save the Republic, whether or not we're able to Donald Trump, President Trump's agenda and vision for the country, which is amazing, by the way, could literally come down to that single seat in Tennessee in District 9.

00:19:22.000 And so, absolutely, we need to look at how we can support the cause, how we can save the Republic, and how we can implement President Donald Trump's agenda.

00:19:31.000 So, one of the pushbacks that Blake and I have been talking about, for example, in like Texas, is that you are, in theory, you're creating some, let's say, swing districts that if we have a wave year could go against us.

00:19:45.000 We could actually lose, we're losing ground, for example, with Hispanics. 0.62

00:19:48.000 Yeah, we should explain this out because the idea of gerrymandering is. 0.97

00:19:53.000 You can look at districts and they all are going to have a certain spread of between Republicans and Democrats.

00:19:58.000 Yeah, R plus three versus R plus 16 or whatever.

00:20:00.000 So, to use Virginia as an example, Virginia just redrew their map or trying to, we'll see how it goes in the courts, to give them a 10 to 1 advantage.

00:20:07.000 The risk there is every district they're creating, they used to have, let's say, five or six districts where they're up by 15 or 20 points.

00:20:16.000 Now they've made 10 districts where they're up by eight or nine points.

00:20:21.000 They're still likely to win, but if you have one really bad year, suddenly you lose.

00:20:26.000 10 house seats at once, and when you're making some of these aggressive maps in Texas, in Florida, we should remember Florida voted for Obama twice.

00:20:35.000 Florida was has been a swing state in recent history that could revive.

00:20:40.000 And if you have one of these very aggressive maps, suddenly we're putting 10, 20 house seats at risk at once.

00:20:46.000 Does anybody worry about that?

00:20:47.000 The other insight here, and Jeremy Carl has a great tweet on this, I recommend everybody check it out.

00:20:52.000 You could be encouraging more moderate Republicans.

00:20:55.000 Are any of these worries?

00:20:56.000 For you?

00:20:57.000 Well, I mean, at the end of the day, this literally, if we lose the House on day one, the Democrats, instead of doing the business of the American people, instead of trying to make us a better country, secure our borders, have a strong military, all the things that Americans want, they're going to focus on impeaching President Trump.

00:21:16.000 Why? 0.96

00:21:16.000 Because they're crazy, they're leftists, they're loony, and they're more interested in stealing elections than saving the country. 0.96

00:21:22.000 So, that being said, we have an opportunity. 0.99

00:21:25.000 And this is Republicans operate from a space of fear.

00:21:29.000 We have an opportunity in front of us today to pick up 8, 10, 12 seats.

00:21:34.000 Then, right behind it, we have a census where we're going to pick up 8, 10, 12 seats.

00:21:39.000 And so, this idea that we're not going to do the right thing, the proactive thing, the aggressive thing because of what might happen, I think is an argument that sets us up for failure.

00:21:48.000 We can take and ensure that we hold the House in this next Congress, which literally will be pivotal in saving the country and securing our elections.

00:21:58.000 And by the way, on saving our elections, not to get us off topic.

00:22:01.000 You know, I'm literally going to write a letter.

00:22:03.000 We're releasing it today.

00:22:04.000 We'll send it to you, invoking Article II, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution.

00:22:09.000 We have a Congress that is gridlocked.

00:22:11.000 This allows the president to force Congress to stay in Washington, D.C., and do our dadgum jobs like Save America, like funding CBP, and like funding ICE.

00:22:23.000 Enough is enough.

00:22:24.000 We are at crisis mode.

00:22:25.000 We are at war.

00:22:26.000 We're under attack from all sorts of directions and dimensions.

00:22:30.000 It's time we stay in D.C. and get this done.

00:22:33.000 So, Article 2, Section 3 of the Constitution, one of the clauses here is convening Congress, just for our audience's sake, allows the president to call both houses or either into extraordinary sessions.

00:22:47.000 And I think you're right.

00:22:48.000 I mean, one of the underreported aspects of what happened at the White House Correspondents' Dinner was the fact that those ICE agents hadn't been paid in 70 days.

00:22:55.000 That's right.

00:22:56.000 I mean, and look, so under extraordinary circumstances, so I think the logical question is when has it been invoked?

00:23:03.000 It's been invoked, I think, five times.

00:23:05.000 Four times have been when you're in a state of war.

00:23:07.000 Now, keep in mind, we've been invaded by 10 or 12 million people.

00:23:11.000 We have criminals on our streets. 0.98

00:23:13.000 We literally just caught an Iranian sniper in Alabama. 0.75

00:23:15.000 You've got Trinidad and Tobago, you've got MS 13 all over the country. 0.51

00:23:19.000 Like, we are in a state of war.

00:23:20.000 It may be domestic terror, but it's a state of war.

00:23:23.000 And we have to do the thing to secure this country.

00:23:26.000 And if that means we have to have extraordinary circumstances to convene Congress to get this done, to secure our elections, there is case after case after case of theft, of stealing elections at the local, the state, and the federal level.

00:23:40.000 I would consider that extreme circumstances.

00:23:42.000 When we have Democrats, we know we have Democrats that are stealing elections.

00:23:47.000 Let's pass the Save America Act.

00:23:48.000 And if Thune does not have the stones to nuke the filibuster, then the president has the authority.

00:23:53.000 To make them stay there and do their job.

00:23:55.000 And guess what?

00:23:56.000 When they're missing their fundraisers, their CODELs, and their little birthday parties, whatever the hell they're doing when they're not in D.C., suddenly I think all of that passes when we're here and having to do the job.

00:24:06.000 I'm sick of this nonsense.

00:24:07.000 We work really hard in the House. 0.63

00:24:09.000 We pass all sorts of legislation and we send it to the Senate where it dies.

00:24:12.000 Enough is enough.

00:24:13.000 If they want to play games, if they want to get this done, I encourage the president to invoke Article 2, Section 3, and force Congress to get back to work.

00:24:24.000 I think, especially in the wake of this ruling, if you want a justification for passing the Save America Act, even if it means removing the filibuster, you should check the left's reaction to the Supreme Court case that is changing the Voting Rights Act.

00:24:38.000 It's Louisiana versus Calais, or Calais, I don't know how they pronounce that one.

00:24:42.000 But they're getting really unhinged about it.

00:24:45.000 And I know the Democrats do this a lot where they say this latest thing is the end of our democracy, but they're getting pretty radicalized on it.

00:24:53.000 There are people, there are left-wingers online who are saying one of their ideas is.

00:24:56.000 They should add, not merely make D.C. a state, but make it eight different states, truly cartoonish stuff to just pack the Senate with as many lawmakers as they want.

00:25:09.000 I think it's much more likely that they will just say, we need to abolish the filibuster day one.

00:25:15.000 We need much more aggressive action.

00:25:17.000 We're getting closer to that point where the Democrats are going to make a gigantic power grab the next time they're able to do it.

00:25:23.000 It would behoove us to at least be ready for when this happens.

00:25:27.000 No, and to have the sense of urgency that you're encouraging, Congressman, I'll play.

00:25:31.000 Jeff Hakeem Jeffries, your colleague in the House, his statement to the press and get your reaction.

00:25:36.000 Sot 16.

00:25:37.000 And so the guy's falling apart.

00:25:40.000 The MAGA majorities in Congress are falling apart.

00:25:43.000 The Supreme Court is a disgrace.

00:25:46.000 And Ben, in the new Congress, we're going to have to do something about this Supreme Court.

00:25:49.000 And let me be very clear everything is on the table.

00:25:53.000 Your reaction, sir.

00:25:54.000 Well, I mean, he's admitting to what they're planning.

00:25:57.000 Everything is on the table.

00:25:59.000 They're going to nuke the filibuster, they're going to pack the Supreme Court.

00:26:03.000 They're going to do anything and everything they can to grab power.

00:26:06.000 And so we have no choice.

00:26:09.000 I mean, if I have a guy standing in my front yard with a can of gasoline and matches and he's telling me he's going to burn down my house, I should probably take him seriously.

00:26:18.000 Hakeem Jeffries just told you he's in our front yard.

00:26:21.000 He's got the gasoline and the matches.

00:26:22.000 He wants to burn this country down and make it in the image of Europe and the socialists and the Marxists.

00:26:28.000 I'm not going to stand by and let that happen.

00:26:30.000 I'm not going to back down. 0.97

00:26:31.000 I was in the room when the shots were fired to try to kill the president for the third time. 0.94

00:26:36.000 I'm a little pissed off.

00:26:38.000 Because it's the rhetoric from the left where they talk about taking this country by force, where they talk about riots in the streets.

00:26:46.000 And then when something happens, then they point and say it's the alt right.

00:26:50.000 It's not the alt right.

00:26:51.000 We didn't shoot at Biden.

00:26:52.000 We didn't shoot at Obama. 1.00

00:26:53.000 No, the libtards have been shooting, trying to kill our president. 1.00

00:26:56.000 It's the libtards destroying our country. 1.00

00:26:58.000 And it's guys like Hakeem Jeffries who, quite frankly, this so called Hakeem Jeffries who shouldn't be in office. 1.00

00:27:04.000 Well, yeah, I agree.

00:27:05.000 The bullets are only flying one way, sir.

00:27:08.000 All right, Congressman.

00:27:09.000 I know you just had votes called.

00:27:11.000 I was getting notes from your team that they're ushering you down to the floor here in just a second for votes.

00:27:16.000 But so we'll make this quick.

00:27:18.000 Belmont University, I'm going to play the clip and get your reaction.

00:27:20.000 SOT 19. 1.00

00:27:38.000 Muslims have a place in the heart of hell! 1.00

00:27:44.000 Man, Belmont used to be this, you know, Christian university, upstanding in Tennessee, red state, conservative. 1.00

00:27:51.000 No!

00:27:52.000 And by the way, Charlie broke a scoop earlier, Congressman, where it was they renamed their DEI program to Hub, Hope, Unity, and Belonging.

00:28:02.000 Well, basically doing DEI under another name, trying to get away from the Trump administration, cracking down on that.

00:28:09.000 Your reaction to first.

00:28:10.000 The violence and the shouting that you experienced on a college campus, and just the violence, the rhetoric, all of it.

00:28:18.000 Your reaction, sir?

00:28:19.000 Well, I mean, you know, universities should be institutions of learning where you hear both sides of any conversation.

00:28:27.000 And what you saw there on display was individuals who were so one sided in their belief that they weren't willing to sit down and have a conversation.

00:28:35.000 Now, what you didn't see were the 70 or so students, maybe closer to 80 or 90.

00:28:41.000 That were in a room, we sat down together and we had conversation.

00:28:44.000 And some of that debate was spirited, but that's okay.

00:28:47.000 I mean, that's what John Quincy Adams talked about when he said he loved the house.

00:28:50.000 It's where you argued and debated.

00:28:52.000 It was the raucous chamber.

00:28:53.000 And so, but you want that dialogue.

00:28:55.000 And so, what you have is you have a handful of students who I don't think are quite frankly representative of Belmont University.

00:29:02.000 You know, Nashville is unique in that we have Lipscomb University, we have Belmont, we have Vanderbilt and TSU and Mayherry, we have three medical schools.

00:29:12.000 We have this concentration of universities that really contribute so much to our community.

00:29:16.000 But then you have these isolated pockets who stand in a hallway and they act like three year old children.

00:29:21.000 Look, I would let my child behave that way. 1.00

00:29:24.000 And so when they get called names, look, if you act like an idiot, someone calls you an idiot, probably stop acting like an idiot, right? 1.00

00:29:30.000 If you act like a libtard in the hallway and someone calls you a libtard, you know, you brought it upon yourself. 1.00

00:29:35.000 You have a member of Congress in the hallway literally saying, sit down and talk with me.

00:29:41.000 I want to hear your side of this conversation.

00:29:44.000 But I also expect you to sit down and hear my version.

00:29:47.000 They weren't interested in that, but that is indicative of the left.

00:29:51.000 You have to agree with them, or they call you racist, or they call you a bigot, or heaven forbid, like Charlie, like the president, they try to shoot you.

00:30:01.000 Well said, sir.

00:30:02.000 I know you got to get away and get to the, go get some votes done there, which is kind of your job, so we'll let you do it.

00:30:09.000 But I just want to give one quick shout out before I let you go.

00:30:12.000 You have been leading the charge on what I think is the existential threat to the United States, and that is. 1.00

00:30:18.000 Reforming legal immigration. 1.00

00:30:21.000 And I'm grateful for you for doing that.

00:30:25.000 You've even called for the repeal of Hart Cellar, the 1960s era immigration bill that basically transformed the country, and nobody really had any idea what it was going to do.

00:30:35.000 As a matter of fact, they promised it wouldn't do what it's done. 0.76

00:30:38.000 And the erasure of American society and the invasion level immigration, which was compounded in 1990 when they expanded green card holders from 500,000 a year to 1.2 million a year. 0.86

00:30:49.000 We have been. 0.88

00:30:51.000 Absolutely subjected to invasion level immigration, and you're doing a great job.

00:30:55.000 We need to change the Overton window in Congress because all of us out here, we get it. 0.98

00:31:01.000 Do a net zero immigration moratorium. 0.78

00:31:03.000 We're all in. 1.00

00:31:03.000 We do poll after poll. 1.00

00:31:04.000 Everybody wants it. 1.00

00:31:05.000 We're sick of all the immigration. 1.00

00:31:07.000 We're done. 1.00

00:31:08.000 We've had a big meal.

00:31:09.000 We need time to digest.

00:31:10.000 But your colleagues in Congress, they cannot figure it out that we're done with it.

00:31:15.000 I'm beating the drum.

00:31:16.000 And to your point, it is forced invasion. 0.63

00:31:18.000 It's no longer immigration, it's an invasion. 0.87

00:31:21.000 We have to call it what it is. 1.00

00:31:22.000 And you can look at literally the rape of Europe right now. 0.73

00:31:25.000 If we don't wake up, that's coming to New York, that's coming to Chicago, it's coming to Nashville.

00:31:30.000 And I'm not going to let that happen on my watch. 0.89

00:31:32.000 Yeah, well, we're still letting in too many damn people, candidly. 0.90

00:31:37.000 So, God bless you for banging the drum because it is an Overton window. 1.00

00:31:41.000 Anybody in D.C. thinks it's beyond the pale to say, oh, we don't need this many immigrants. 0.71

00:31:45.000 We got an AI revolution coming down the pike. 0.99

00:31:48.000 We're going to create a permanent underclass of these people because there's not going to be any jobs from farm sector to many entry level jobs, many labor jobs.

00:31:57.000 All of it's going to be wiped away in about 10 years. 0.94

00:32:00.000 And so, we better be taking care of Americans first.

00:32:02.000 And, Congressman, I just wanted to salute you for doing that and leading the charge on that because we need to change the thinking in Washington, what's possible.

00:32:09.000 And hopefully, this VRA SCOTUS ruling will help us get you some reinforcements in Congress that can get that done.

00:32:15.000 Absolutely.

00:32:16.000 We've got to pray.

00:32:16.000 Thank you so much.

00:32:17.000 All right.

00:32:17.000 God bless you, sir.

00:32:20.000 Blake, your reaction to Belmont, this is not limited. 1.00

00:32:23.000 The screeching and the wailing and the gnashing of teeth of these infantile libtards is the cockstar. 1.00

00:32:29.000 I love that word. 1.00

00:32:30.000 We had a counter.

00:32:31.000 It's a great word.

00:32:33.000 It's great to hear congressmen using it.

00:32:36.000 But it's important to note this because it's a thing.

00:32:42.000 Charlie was worried about.

00:32:43.000 It's a thing we all need to remain worried about, which is reminding ourselves that really deranged left wing stuff is not a thing restricted to the Ivy League.

00:32:53.000 It's not a thing restricted to blue states or really blue cities and regions.

00:32:57.000 It's a thing that is all across the country.

00:33:00.000 And we've really, I think only in the last few years, really seen the right start to realize this.

00:33:06.000 I think we got a great model in Florida where Governor DeSantis, he let Christopher Ruffo start experimenting on the new college in Florida.

00:33:15.000 But you also seen it.

00:33:16.000 I think it was Oklahoma.

00:33:17.000 You start seeing the schools look at their public universities and say, wait, what are we paying for with unlimited public money to do?

00:33:25.000 And I think when we look at all of the schools and what we're funding with state dollars, because states get involved in the education game, I think it really behooves us to be aware of these things.

00:33:38.000 Yeah.

00:33:38.000 I mean, it's crazy to see that scene out of Belmont University, which is in Tennessee.

00:33:44.000 Yeah.

00:33:45.000 And Andy Ogles is a popular congressman.

00:33:49.000 Yeah.

00:33:49.000 And to see him shouted down as a bigot, and it's probably because of his immigration stuff, candidly.

00:33:54.000 I mean, Andy Ogles is one of those guys that's proudly defending Western civilization.

00:33:58.000 He's proudly defending traditional heritage, American traditions, and values.

00:34:02.000 And so, for that, he's a bigot to these absolute infantile, just I don't know who raised them.

00:34:10.000 They're infantile, but I would be careful using that specific word because I think it carries an implication of impotence that they're just screaming babies.

00:34:20.000 And what they are is they are.

00:34:24.000 They are ruthlessly effective at getting what they want.

00:34:26.000 This is not stuff that is crazy stuff on campus does not stay contained to campuses.

00:34:32.000 It spills out everywhere and it rapidly becomes what you see in cities and eventually what you see at the state level.

00:34:39.000 Insane laws start at the campus.

00:34:42.000 So you have to look at what they're doing and take it deadly serious.

00:34:44.000 Well, and here's the truth most congressmen are not courageous like Andy Ogles.

00:34:49.000 They'll see that and then they will cower in fear because they don't want to be shouted at, they don't want to be targeted.

00:34:55.000 And honestly, that's the whole point.

00:34:56.000 Point of assassination culture.

00:34:57.000 Well, one final thought in favor of the new maps is change is coming kind of one retirement at a time, one new congressman at a time, and new maps are a great way to get a lot of new blood in Congress all at once.

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00:36:34.000 We have State Senator Greg Dolazal.

00:36:37.000 From, he's a Republican out of Georgia, state senator out of Georgia.

00:36:40.000 He is calling for new maps in the state of Georgia.

00:36:44.000 If you notice a theme of the show today, this VRA Supreme Court ruling was a whopper.

00:36:49.000 On corks, we didn't fully explain it in the last one, so we should probably do it here.

00:36:54.000 So, what was happening, this was a legal case over the state of Louisiana.

00:36:58.000 So, the state of Louisiana had a map that was basically, I want to say, five Republican seats and one Democrat seat, or it might have been, let me actually check how many.

00:37:08.000 Oh, yes, but it was a racially gerrymandered map.

00:37:13.000 It wasn't. 0.87

00:37:13.000 So, well, it was. 0.87

00:37:14.000 Okay.

00:37:15.000 So, the original one was.

00:37:15.000 The original one was.

00:37:16.000 And what happened is a judge, they had kind of one seat that was heavily Democrat.

00:37:21.000 And a federal judge said, the Voting Rights Act requires you to create more black majority districts that are going to be won by a black Democrat candidate.

00:37:30.000 This is what the judge ruled.

00:37:31.000 And he drew this like mutant looking map.

00:37:34.000 You can check it.

00:37:34.000 It has this hideous shape where it's stretching almost from New Orleans all the way up to Shreveport, these tendrils to create.

00:37:42.000 Multiple districts.

00:37:43.000 Louisiana contested this.

00:37:44.000 It went to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court said you can't draw these wild mutant districts just to create racial majorities for minorities.

00:37:54.000 And you're not required to do that. 0.67

00:37:56.000 And it's okay.

00:37:58.000 They also gave a green light.

00:37:59.000 You are allowed to draw maps essentially for partisan gerrymandering reasons, even if they have some sort of racial impact.

00:38:06.000 Where this will have an impact most of all is in the South.

00:38:10.000 And the big picture here is for decades it has been legal.

00:38:14.000 For Democrats anywhere they want to draw whatever districts they want, Virginia style, where they're going to say, We're going to blow up any Republican seat we feel like.

00:38:23.000 But then the courts will say it's illegal for Republicans to retaliate because we're going to say that it's racist for you guys to do it, but not for Democrats to do it.

00:38:29.000 And the Supreme Court basically said, Nope, it's equal.

00:38:32.000 Everyone's allowed to do partisan gerrymanders if they want.

00:38:35.000 And this unleashes us in the South to redraw some new maps.

00:38:39.000 And State Senator Greg Dolezal joins us now.

00:38:42.000 Senator, welcome to the show.

00:38:45.000 You are calling for Georgia to do something big, for Governor Kemp to do something big.

00:38:49.000 Explain it, and what do you think is going to happen next?

00:38:52.000 Hey, Andrew Blake, good to see you guys again.

00:38:54.000 Yeah, the South has been forced, and we were forced to do this in Georgia just a couple of years ago.

00:38:59.000 We drew maps, and then Judge Jones ruled that we had to draw more majority minority districts.

00:39:05.000 And what that forced us to do really was just look at people solely through the lens of race.

00:39:10.000 And we don't do that in America.

00:39:12.000 And so the Supreme Court ruled correctly yesterday, and so that opens the window.

00:39:17.000 Not only for Georgia, but for other southern states to go into special session.

00:39:21.000 Obviously, the congressional maps can be impacted by this, guys, but don't forget, state House seats and state Senate seats also had to live under these gerrymandering rules handed down by judges, like what happened here in Georgia.

00:39:34.000 And this happened all over the South.

00:39:35.000 You guys know there's not even a single congressional seat that's a Republican seat in all of New England.

00:39:40.000 And so they've been gerrymandering like crazy.

00:39:43.000 And it is time, it's time for Georgia to go into a special session.

00:39:46.000 I believe I saw that Virginia has already indicated that that's probably going to happen there.

00:39:51.000 We've got to, we have the opportunity now.

00:39:53.000 To draw fair maps.

00:39:55.000 The goal here is not to do anything nefarious.

00:39:58.000 The goal here is that after we know that what happened with yesterday's ruling, we now know that we are forced to draw unconstitutional maps and we have to come back to session so we can draw constitutional maps based on traditional redistricting principles.

00:40:14.000 So, Senator, I think a natural question because we were concerned about this.

00:40:18.000 We've mentioned with Florida, with Texas, they are drawing maps that could result in Republican gains.

00:40:25.000 But with any district draw, you have the risk.

00:40:28.000 If you stretch Republican votes too far, you could flip it.

00:40:32.000 And I know that's worth a thought for Georgia.

00:40:34.000 Georgia, as we know, has been a very close state in many recent elections.

00:40:39.000 It's not going super far either way.

00:40:42.000 So if we draw a new House map for Georgia, what do you think is the most likely breakdown of likely Republican to likely Democrat seats that we would see?

00:40:53.000 And just for comparison, right now, there are, I believe, five Democrat leaning seats in Georgia.

00:40:59.000 Yeah, we're nine to five right now, I believe, is our current count.

00:41:03.000 I've seen the prognosticators say that there's an easy single seat that probably was an unconstitutionally drawn seat.

00:41:09.000 So one, potentially two.

00:41:12.000 So you're not going to move the needle here, probably in Georgia, the way that you're seeing other states do it.

00:41:17.000 But one unconstitutional seat, rectifying that certainly is the right thing to do.

00:41:21.000 But this also has implications for our state House and our state Senate as well, because we were forced as well to racially gerrymander under judges' orders on both of those fronts.

00:41:31.000 So, what does it take to get this done?

00:41:34.000 So, you're calling on Governor Kemp.

00:41:36.000 So, I would assume that Governor Kemp is the key here, or is there another route?

00:41:41.000 Yeah, there's two triggers.

00:41:42.000 And I'm not specifically calling out the governor, but the governor does have, he is the individual, does have the ability to do that in his own capacity.

00:41:50.000 And then two thirds of the General Assembly can also do that as well.

00:41:53.000 That'll probably go over as well as when I called for a special session back in 2020 in terms of two thirds of the General Assembly.

00:41:59.000 We got just a handful of folks willing to stand up back then.

00:42:02.000 You might see a bulk of Republicans do it, but we do not have a constitutional majority here in Georgia.

00:42:07.000 So, realistically and functionally, the only way for that to happen, I'm sure, is with the governor.

00:42:12.000 I'm sure he's huddling with his team, having conversations, and trying to figure out what he wants to do.

00:42:18.000 Well, and we just got news.

00:42:21.000 It looks like President Trump says he just had a good conversation with Governor Bill Lee in Tennessee this morning, wherein he stated that he would work hard to correct the unconstitutional flaw in the congressional maps of the great state of Tennessee.

00:42:32.000 So, that's One state.

00:42:33.000 We've heard the same from Mississippi.

00:42:35.000 Obviously, we know this was all sparked by Louisiana.

00:42:38.000 Florida has come in.

00:42:39.000 I mean, there is a map here, and I'll show you the redistricting where it shows we could add up to 12 seats across the entire South.

00:42:48.000 Now, I know you're also on the state level, so you're concerned about that as well, which is huge, by the way.

00:42:54.000 The way that we run red states needs to be redder and more conservative, right? 0.87

00:42:58.000 Look at what Virginia has done, where they barely have a margin there and they go full commie.

00:43:04.000 Right, you give them 50 plus one, and they go full leftist.

00:43:08.000 And so, we should at least be as conservative as our voters are, right?

00:43:12.000 Get the things done that we know our voters want.

00:43:14.000 This is plus 12, though, across the South, and there's big swaths of that blue.

00:43:19.000 I mean, it's just wild to see how much blue and deep red South there is because of the VRA.

00:43:24.000 That left map is literally the historical legacy of the Voter Rights Act, Section 2, which has just been completely altered, or at least our understanding of it legally has been.

00:43:34.000 So, if Governor Kemp calls for a special session, what then needs to be done in order to get those maps approved?

00:43:44.000 And what's the timing on it?

00:43:45.000 Can you get it done by midterms?

00:43:47.000 I don't know that we can get it done by the midterms.

00:43:49.000 It was an open question because we actually have early voting underway right now.

00:43:52.000 A couple of quick thoughts, though, Andrew.

00:43:54.000 First and foremost, the reason the state legislatures are important is they are the ones that will do the redistricting after the next census.

00:44:01.000 And so rebalancing these districts to be fair districts in the South impacts the next decade, really, of American politics and control of the House in the 2030s.

00:44:12.000 I know that the lawyers here are discussing what can be done.

00:44:15.000 I misspoke earlier in South Virginia.

00:44:16.000 I think that it's Louisiana that is saying they're going to pause their midterms.

00:44:21.000 I haven't seen a legal brief on an official opinion on that.

00:44:25.000 But the other thing I want to highlight, Andrew, is it's not just this redistricting, this racial gerrymandering that Democrats have been weaponizing.

00:44:31.000 That combined with all of the illegals that they have flooded into their districts and their states, the count in the census for the apportionment of House reps can't be overlooked as well.

00:44:40.000 And that's really just kind of skewed the balance of power in this country for 30 years. 0.54

00:44:45.000 I mean, Jeremy Carl, again, the second time I've referenced him, he's basically saying that we could have fair representation in this state, more accurate representation in the country, rather.

00:44:45.000 Yeah.

00:44:56.000 For the first time in his lifetime, we're on the path by the 2030s to have some of the things that Democrats have gotten accomplished for decades, having those reversed and having it set right.

00:45:08.000 So, while everybody's dooming out there, just remember there's some really big structural things that take time to get done, and we're watching it happen before our eyes.

00:45:17.000 So, I want to play this clip.

00:45:18.000 I'm actually, there's like two clips I really, really want to play.

00:45:22.000 But this one I thought gave away the game.

00:45:25.000 This was CNN reacting yesterday to the clip.

00:45:28.000 And Blake, I got to get your reaction to this.

00:45:31.000 This is what's great about having Blake on this.

00:45:35.000 He's like a fascinating place to explore.

00:45:39.000 So get your thoughts on this.

00:45:40.000 SOT 34.

00:45:41.000 The challengers are going to have to say that there are no race neutral reasons for this.

00:45:46.000 And that's awfully hard, especially because of the partisan alignment between whites generally voting Republican and blacks generally being affiliated with the Democratic Party, Pam.

00:45:57.000 All right.

00:45:57.000 We're joined, of course, by State Senator Greg Dolazal from Georgia.

00:46:02.000 So, Blake.

00:46:03.000 Greg, did you catch what she just said there?

00:46:08.000 For me, it was like a huge whoopsie daisies there because she said, because blacks generally vote Democrat and whites generally vote Republican. 1.00

00:46:17.000 They admitted it. 0.97

00:46:19.000 And if you look back through the years, basically you'll realize a stunning factoid that Democrats can't win the white vote, at least a majority of it. 0.51

00:46:28.000 But I actually want to pick up that because there was an exceptionally funny case that really gets at the heart of this.

00:46:34.000 This is during the Obama years.

00:46:36.000 And there was a town in North Carolina.

00:46:38.000 And what they wanted to do is they wanted to change it so their local elections were nonpartisan.

00:46:42.000 You just didn't have a party.

00:46:45.000 And Eric Holder's DOJ tried to block this.

00:46:49.000 And they were filing cases in court where they said this was illegal, they said, because it would deprive black residents of their basically constitutional right to vote for Democrats, that they would not be represented unless they could vote for the Democratic Party on the ballot.

00:47:09.000 And I think that.

00:47:11.000 It's a few years ago at this point, but that perfectly does encapsulate their thinking that this is not about the right to vote.

00:47:17.000 This is not about racial equity.

00:47:18.000 This is specifically just saying they have to be voting for a specific party and electing a specific party, or else it's unconstitutional.

00:47:27.000 It's a perfect illustration of the Democrats saying our interests are the only thing that's constitutional, which manifests on every issue.

00:47:33.000 And this is exactly why Democrats are freaking out about this.

00:47:37.000 And I'll say this one final line, and then the floor is yours, Senator. 0.83

00:47:41.000 But if you wonder why your community is getting overrun with unending, massive, unfettered waves of invasion level immigration, if you wonder why the laws have been constructed in such a way, that clip gives it all up.

00:47:57.000 It gives away the whole game, is because Democrats realized a long time ago that playing it straight, playing it the way that you'd think the system was designed, no, that doesn't work.

00:48:08.000 They have to game it, and they have to flood your communities with people that they can more easily get them to vote their way.

00:48:14.000 Because the people that were here didn't want to vote for him.

00:48:17.000 And I think that's a very telling, very telling clip.

00:48:20.000 Senator, your reaction to all of this.

00:48:22.000 Yeah, I agree, guys.

00:48:23.000 I think it's important in these moments when you try to kind of decipher what the other side is saying, we've got to remember that progressivism is a religion masquerading as a political ideology.

00:48:34.000 And so for these people, you wonder why they resort to violence so quickly.

00:48:38.000 You wonder why they kind of rig the system, why they would want to import tens of millions of people into this country and really change the fabric of this country.

00:48:47.000 You don't understand it until you recognize that for them, this is religion.

00:48:52.000 This is all that they think about.

00:48:53.000 They're obsessive.

00:48:54.000 There is not necessarily something higher that they believe in that they're striving for.

00:48:58.000 This is the end.

00:49:00.000 Political victory for them is the end, and they are willing to do it by any means necessary.

00:49:05.000 And frankly, they don't care if they see the downfall of America come about as long as they're the ones that are in power, as we're whistling past the graveyard here. 0.68

00:49:17.000 And it also tells you what they think about black people. 0.95

00:49:19.000 We've seen this, you know, Joe Biden, if you don't vote for me, you ain't black.

00:49:23.000 We see, you know, here in Georgia, when we passed voter ID law, they called it Jim Crow 2.0 because they didn't believe that minorities were capable of getting NID.

00:49:32.000 And they have this soft bigotry of low expectations that really, frankly, shows you what they do think of their voters.

00:49:39.000 Oh, I totally agree. 0.99

00:49:41.000 They believe that they are entitled to the black vote. 0.65

00:49:44.000 And what they're going to find out, I think, continually is that the further away we get from the 60s, And as blacks over 50 have already showed this way less tribal affiliation with the Democrat Party, they're much more of a gettable vote. 0.91

00:49:58.000 But to your point, Jim Crow 2.0, they had to take this one back out and reuse it again, SOT 8. 0.73

00:50:06.000 And today we're ramping up our efforts. 0.76

00:50:08.000 We see the need for just today in today's Supreme Court decision, which is a despicable decision that is a return to Jim Crow.

00:50:19.000 An issue with it, but you heard it. 0.79

00:50:21.000 It's a return to Jim Crow.

00:50:22.000 I mean, we're literally.

00:50:24.000 This is why there needs to be, you know, term limits, by the way. 0.78

00:50:28.000 The day that we have congressmen and senators stop using Jim Crow, return to Jim Crow, that will be a good day for the country. 0.90

00:50:36.000 But this is the point. 0.99

00:50:38.000 I mean, I've got 14 clips here on my clip sheet that I could just.

00:50:42.000 It's a grab bag of Democrats hyperventilating about this because I think they smell blood in the water with the midterms and they realize that, okay, The midterms, we're not sure what's going to happen.

00:50:54.000 We might not have enough time.

00:50:56.000 But you come 2028 in the 2030s when that census hits again, and all those people have moved from California and Illinois and New York down to the red states, that they are not going to be able to.

00:51:08.000 It's going to be, let's put it this way it's going to be very difficult for them to win back the House.

00:51:12.000 It's going to be very difficult.

00:51:14.000 Senator, thank you for coming on again.

00:51:16.000 We appreciate it.

00:51:17.000 And we pray for much success in Georgia.

00:51:20.000 It's a tight state, but I do agree.

00:51:21.000 We looked at the maps in the breaks.

00:51:23.000 There's at least one House seat that I think is gettable.

00:51:27.000 So let's hope you guys are successful in that.

00:51:30.000 Governor Kemp shows some spine and gets on board.

00:51:33.000 So great having you again.

00:51:34.000 We'll talk to you soon.

00:51:35.000 Thank you, guys.

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00:52:49.000 All right, joining us now is Ryan James Gurdusky.

00:52:55.000 He has a new pack that we're going to be talking about.

00:52:57.000 He's also got a great substack, nappop.substack.com.

00:53:02.000 Ryan, welcome back to the show, my friend.

00:53:04.000 Thanks for having me.

00:53:05.000 You also got a show, Ryan.

00:53:07.000 Yes.

00:53:08.000 Tell us about your show for us.

00:53:09.000 Yes.

00:53:10.000 The podcast called The Numbers Game with Ryan Gurdusky is on iHeartRadio, and we discuss data behind everything going on in politics and the news and economics.

00:53:17.000 So I kind of break down.

00:53:19.000 The numbers behind what's driving new stuff.

00:53:21.000 It's a little bit wonky, it's a little nerdy, but it's really, really interesting and it's growing.

00:53:25.000 It's one of the best shows on the Clan Buck Network.

00:53:27.000 I love it.

00:53:28.000 All right.

00:53:28.000 So, you, we have so much to get into actually.

00:53:34.000 Let's go to redistricting first because we've kind of been on that beat a little bit.

00:53:38.000 I sort of posed to you two questions what would the numbers be and what's the timing?

00:53:43.000 How fast can we get this done?

00:53:45.000 There's a lot of consternation about midterms for obvious reasons, some headwinds that we're looking at.

00:53:53.000 Question How fast and what are the numbers?

00:53:57.000 I think in some states you can get it done relatively easily.

00:53:59.000 In Mississippi, Tate Reeves says he's doing it.

00:54:01.000 Louisiana says he could do it.

00:54:03.000 The numbers overall, if you could do it across the entire Deep South, would be 12 House seats.

00:54:07.000 Four in Florida, two in Georgia, two in Louisiana, two in Alabama, one in Mississippi, one in Tennessee.

00:54:14.000 The one in North Carolina has already been redistricted and one in South Carolina.

00:54:17.000 So 12 total, be 13 North Carolina, but we've already done that.

00:54:21.000 I think some governors would be very Quick to go along with it, like Tate Reeves in Mississippi.

00:54:25.000 Louisiana's already stopped their primary ballots and they're going to push it back and have one in Louisiana.

00:54:31.000 Florida's already done it with Governor Ron DeSantis taking the lead there.

00:54:35.000 Other states like Alabama, Governor Ivy has said that she is not going to do it this term.

00:54:42.000 And the AG and kind of her are arguing about this.

00:54:44.000 Governor Ivy is terminated, so she's out after this year anyway, but she's basically said no.

00:54:50.000 Governor of Georgia, I have a very hard time seeing how Brian Kemp does do it.

00:54:52.000 He's been kind of resistant to a lot of things that the Republicans want to do.

00:54:56.000 South Carolina, it depends on how much love Clyburn has given.

00:55:00.000 Almost all these states are having new governors come in after next year.

00:55:03.000 Almost all of them will have Republican governors.

00:55:06.000 I think the conversation is going to be immediately to all the people running for governors if they're going to do this in the 2027 year, the 2028 year.

00:55:13.000 So, overall, 12 seats, which is a game changing number.

00:55:17.000 But the timeline, I would say maybe three states are going to do it on time.

00:55:21.000 Got it.

00:55:21.000 And how many would you count among those three states?

00:55:25.000 That would be seven seats.

00:55:27.000 It's still good.

00:55:28.000 Two in Louisiana, one in Mississippi, and four in Florida. 1.00

00:55:31.000 Alabama, let's see what pressure goes on to Kate Ivey. 1.00

00:55:36.000 That's offsetting. 1.00

00:55:37.000 The Virginia power play, which is not a sure thing to be pulled off, it's offsetting California.

00:55:42.000 Uh, I know polls suggest it's dicey to hold the house no matter what, but what would you say that has on our percent chance of sustaining things?

00:55:52.000 Yeah, so so everyone kind of goes back to the 2018 numbers where Republicans lost dozens of seats.

00:55:56.000 There are far fewer swing districts this time than there are next time.

00:55:59.000 There's really no new seats in California they're gonna lose, like because there's only four left.

00:56:05.000 Um, New York has a few swing seats, New Jersey has one swing seat, Pennsylvania is the big state.

00:56:10.000 It has four swing seats, three in Republicans' hands.

00:56:14.000 So that's like the really, oh, sorry, four in Republicans' hands, rather.

00:56:17.000 That's a really big place.

00:56:18.000 Michigan has one or two.

00:56:20.000 So there's just less swing states to really go around.

00:56:24.000 As we are whittling down how many states we could lose and how many states we can win, this would basically guarantee Republicans really can't go under 200 seats and probably into the 205, 206 territory.

00:56:37.000 And then we're looking at Democrats maybe with a 10 to 15 seat majority at most.

00:56:43.000 Hmm.

00:56:43.000 That's.

00:56:44.000 I mean, we have a very slim majority in the House right now, and it's hard to get stuff done.

00:56:50.000 But, you know, when you have the majority, you have power, right?

00:56:53.000 And so, you know, even if we lose the House and it's only 10 or 15 seats, I mean, yeah, it's not a bloodbath, but it's we're still going to, we're still looking at impeachments.

00:57:01.000 We're still looking at endless investigations.

00:57:03.000 Absolutely.

00:57:04.000 But what happens then is there's a big argument that goes on between like the Josh Gosheimers of Congress, who are much more moderate, obviously very more favorable on Israel and other issues.

00:57:14.000 And then you have the AOC wing, you have the squad.

00:57:16.000 And you have a real, real breakdown within the Democratic Party of what vision they have going on.

00:57:23.000 And I think you're going to see them.

00:57:25.000 I think you'll see the moderate Democrats cave to the woke, much more woke progressive wing of the party on issue after issue, which hurts them going into 2028.

00:57:35.000 So it's not a complete loss.

00:57:36.000 And then we go into 20.

00:57:37.000 You know, it's very funny right now.

00:57:38.000 If you see the left, they are having a nervous breakdown on Twitter.

00:57:41.000 They are, you know, they're like, we're going to redistrict New York and New Jersey and Minnesota, and we're going to have the Democrats with nothing.

00:57:47.000 At the end of the day, Democrats face a long term issue because as of right now, California, Oregon, Rhode Island, New York, and Illinois are going to lose nine seats.

00:57:57.000 If Trump does not crack on immigration, which is the big thing because these states grow only through mass immigration, they're going to lose about a dozen seats in the 2030 census.

00:58:07.000 And the old seats are going to go to red states and they'll redistrict new House seats, mostly red districts.

00:58:12.000 There'll be maybe a few one or two Democratic seats, but they will be mostly red seats in these states.

00:58:17.000 That creates a dynamic where they cannot redistrict enough to give themselves a majority.

00:58:22.000 I don't like this, you know, cold war, hot war of redistricting numbers.

00:58:27.000 I think politicians picking their voters instead of voters picking their politicians is not great for a democracy.

00:58:31.000 However, they can't win this through just redistricting fight after redistricting fight.

00:58:37.000 Yeah, I know.

00:58:38.000 I'm going to play a clip here from AOC and have your reaction to it because she's getting to something similar.

00:58:44.000 I apologize in advance for playing an AOC clip, but SOT 13.

00:58:49.000 Should New York respond in kind by doing its own redistricting if the amendment passes?

00:58:55.000 I have long felt that we all have to play by the same set of rules.

00:59:01.000 And the Republican caucus has made it very clear that they want and are setting rules of partisan gerrymandering.

00:59:10.000 The Democratic caucus has tried to pass nonpartisan gerrymandering for 10 years.

00:59:14.000 Republicans have rejected it.

00:59:16.000 And so we have to all abide by the same rules.

00:59:19.000 And so if Republicans are going to redraw North Carolina, if they're going to redraw Texas, if they're going to redraw and gerrymander every one of their states, then unfortunately we have to provide balance.

00:59:31.000 To that, until we get to the day where we can all finally agree to put this behind us and pass nonpartisan gerrymandering federally. 0.65

00:59:40.000 How come when I hear her say nonpartisan gerrymandering, I just assume we're going to get screwed?

00:59:44.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:59:45.000 Let's unpack that a bit because we've seen this play out.

00:59:47.000 I know in California, for example, they have nonpartisan gerrymandering that the Virginia gave them.

00:59:53.000 The language in the Virginia.

00:59:54.000 The fairness maps.

00:59:56.000 Yes, the fairness maps.

00:59:57.000 But you might know about this, Ryan, how it has played out at the state level.

01:00:01.000 I know in California specifically, there was a lot of.

01:00:04.000 Process where they could declare people stakeholders in the process, I believe.

01:00:09.000 And this would just justify, oh, it turns out we needed 92% Democrat seats in this state to be fair.

01:00:15.000 Yeah.

01:00:16.000 So actually, if you want to see a worse case of independent gerrymandered redistricting, New Jersey has districts that are not even connected by land.

01:00:24.000 Like they connect them through the ocean, and that's how the district is connected.

01:00:27.000 So actually, New Jersey is way more egregious with independent redistricting.

01:00:30.000 In New York, the New Yorker, the New York voters passed an independent redistricting law.

01:00:35.000 Over 10 years ago.

01:00:36.000 In 2021, Kathy Hochul tried to repeal that law. 0.96

01:00:39.000 It went down in flames. 1.00

01:00:41.000 Her repeal went down in flames.

01:00:43.000 She lost by 10 points to repeal the independent redistricting.

01:00:46.000 So she has tried multiple times to redistrict New York State and it's failed in both federal and state courts.

01:00:54.000 And she's tried over and over again.

01:00:56.000 She just tried in Staten Island this year.

01:00:58.000 There's no way for her to do it in time for the 2026 election.

01:01:01.000 So this is a 2028 play.

01:01:03.000 But AOC should be much more worried.

01:01:04.000 New York lost over 200,000 residents over the last seven years.

01:01:09.000 Of course, according to new census numbers, if without immigration, their domestic migration out of New York is so heavy, and the death toll from older New Yorkers just dying naturally increases the loss year after year, AOC should worry about what kind of seat she's going to have because New York City is almost certainly going to lose a seat, and there's only one Republican left in New York City. 0.97

01:01:29.000 So they could talk about redistricting, and they can't get rid of Staten Island. 0.83

01:01:33.000 I'm sure they would like to, but AOC should be much more worried about what kind of district she's going to have to have to represent. 0.99

01:01:39.000 In four years, rather than whether or not what Republicans are doing. 0.71

01:01:43.000 And by the way, Illinois did it first.

01:01:45.000 California was doing this in the 70s when Democrats controlled Texas.

01:01:48.000 They loved to do this gerrymandering in the 80s.

01:01:50.000 There is no, like, it's not a question of, like, we didn't start the fire.

01:01:54.000 Like, I mean, it's a quote Billy Joel Republicans didn't start the fire.

01:01:56.000 This has been going on for decades.

01:01:57.000 If you want a true independent thing, I mean, this is never going to happen.

01:02:02.000 Get rid of districts as a whole, do, you know, proportional representation by state of how they vote.

01:02:06.000 That's literally the only way you get rid of gerrymandering.

01:02:09.000 Other than that, We're always going to have something.

01:02:11.000 It just depends on how fair it ultimately is.

01:02:14.000 Homelandpack.com, Ryan, is a man after my own heart here.

01:02:19.000 You want to elect candidates that support sovereignty, border security, immigration, common sense.

01:02:27.000 Tell us about it.

01:02:28.000 Yes, I launched a new super pack called Homelandpack.com.

01:02:31.000 After Maria Salazar pushed forward the Digna Data Act, which would give amnesty to probably 15 million illegal aliens, 12 to 15 million illegal aliens, we want to hold all 20 Republicans, many are not running for reelection, but hold the 20 Republicans accountable.

01:02:43.000 We're already pushing for one primary challenge right now in this election cycle.

01:02:47.000 Many more in 2028.

01:02:49.000 We're going to hold them accountable and support Republicans who are really good at immigration.

01:02:52.000 We need more Brandon Gills in Congress. 0.61

01:02:54.000 Hey, man.

01:02:55.000 Brandon Gills.

01:02:55.000 He's been amazing.

01:02:57.000 You were a colleague or you're a student.

01:02:59.000 Yeah, he was a lower classman while I was at Dartmouth.

01:03:02.000 Dartmouth.

01:03:02.000 I was his GC for his campaign.

01:03:04.000 Oh, no.

01:03:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:03:05.000 Killing you. 1.00

01:03:06.000 You were. 0.99

01:03:07.000 Oh, that's great.

01:03:07.000 I want to talk about this thing that you were posting about online.

01:03:12.000 Looks like it's titled The Americans Are Coming.

01:03:17.000 For the first time in recorded history, more Americans moved to the EU and UK countries than Europeans moved to the US. 0.81

01:03:25.000 And you see this graph here.

01:03:27.000 And I sent it to Blake.

01:03:28.000 His first reaction was like, That's kind of depressing.

01:03:31.000 And I go, no, it's not.

01:03:32.000 Just 20 years ago, the ratio was four to one.

01:03:34.000 Ratio is four to one.

01:03:36.000 I have zero problem with this, and I'll explain why.

01:03:39.000 Because you look at that graph, it's basically when Trump gets into office, the dip happens from Europeans coming to the United States.

01:03:47.000 And guess what?

01:03:49.000 Guess who's leaving?

01:03:50.000 All the Liberals, all the Rosie O'Donnells, and they're just fleeing the country in mass.

01:03:56.000 I have zero problem with this, by the way. 0.90

01:03:58.000 It doesn't change the fact that we have a third world invasion migration problem that's. 0.98

01:04:03.000 Erasing American culture. 0.99

01:04:04.000 We've got to deal with that separately. 0.99

01:04:06.000 This to me is just getting rid of like dead weight.

01:04:09.000 Ryan, what's your take?

01:04:09.000 And you know, it's only one party holds primaries abroad, and it's not the Republican Party because conservatives don't leave America in general.

01:04:18.000 I mean, maybe a handful do, but most do not.

01:04:21.000 Democrats hold primaries abroad.

01:04:23.000 Bernie Sanders' brother in the 2016 election was a delegate from Americans living abroad because liberals like to flee.

01:04:31.000 My contention always is if these liberals can't stand America because we're such an You know, overtly racist country.

01:04:37.000 Why do they always move to countries that is whiter than us?

01:04:40.000 Like, why not go to Haiti? 0.94

01:04:43.000 Haiti is apparently not a whole country.

01:04:45.000 It's a beautiful place, allegedly.

01:04:47.000 And we can't say, you know, that Haitians have enormous welfare programs and problems and all the rest of it.

01:04:53.000 Absolutely no problem. 1.00

01:04:54.000 Why don't they move to Haiti? 0.99

01:04:55.000 Why does any of these, I've never heard of a liberal moving to Tanzania or going to Liberia or any of the other million countries that is a majority non white country. 0.99

01:05:07.000 They always move. 0.87

01:05:08.000 To white places that are whiter than us, places like many of their gated communities in which they live in, while they scream about diversity. 0.85

01:05:16.000 It is infuriating, but you know.

01:05:19.000 I don't think they should be able to vote if they're abroad, candidly. 1.00

01:05:23.000 I want to get rid of dual citizenships, and I want to get rid of, like, unless you're in the military or if you know you're something like, okay, there's carve outs. 1.00

01:05:31.000 But if you're just going to flee the country, like Rosie O'Donnell should not be allowed to vote in American elections. 1.00

01:05:36.000 I'm sorry, but you don't care about us enough to live here.

01:05:38.000 You're so afraid of Trump.

01:05:40.000 Well, then fine, go away. 0.73

01:05:42.000 And by the way, If you pursue a dual citizenship, you don't get to vote either. 0.96

01:05:47.000 Like, I don't know. 1.00

01:05:47.000 There's got to be something we can do about this because this is infuriating. 1.00

01:05:52.000 What you just told me, this primary abroad, get out of here. 1.00

01:05:55.000 Stop it.

01:05:55.000 Yeah.

01:05:58.000 No, I 100% agree with you.

01:06:00.000 I don't think that people who live around the world.

01:06:03.000 I have a relative whose sister lives in Germany.

01:06:06.000 She's lived in Germany for 30 years.

01:06:07.000 She's a two time Obama voter.

01:06:09.000 She's a Biden voter. 1.00

01:06:09.000 She's a Hillary voter. 1.00

01:06:10.000 She votes in every American election there is. 1.00

01:06:13.000 She has not set foot in this country in over 30 years.

01:06:15.000 And she is, you know.

01:06:17.000 Ardently for the Democratic Party, never misses an election.

01:06:20.000 Her vote, you know, maybe it can go to like a fake election count.

01:06:25.000 Like, this is how they would have counted.

01:06:27.000 It can go to like the CPAC totals.

01:06:28.000 Like, it doesn't really mean anything.

01:06:29.000 But, like, they should not count towards any state, how they vote in the Electoral College at all, whatsoever.

01:06:36.000 And it shouldn't really count for the popular vote either.

01:06:37.000 Not that the popular vote means as much.

01:06:39.000 Certainly not to like a House representative.

01:06:41.000 And especially in these close elections where a few votes matter.

01:06:44.000 And they're like, we have to wait till these, you know, overseas ballots come.

01:06:47.000 Unless there are military serving across the world.

01:06:50.000 Absolutely not.

01:06:51.000 I completely agree with you. 0.99

01:06:52.000 Now, I know we can gloat about this because, yeah, there are the Rosie O'Donnells who move to Europe over the last few years.

01:06:58.000 I think that's the vast majority.

01:06:59.000 I think that's over, that's thinking too much.

01:07:03.000 We cover politics every day, so we view so many things through the lens of politics.

01:07:08.000 The vast majority of people who move countries are not doing it in protest over a country's election result, one way or the other.

01:07:15.000 And if you look at the chart, it's not so much that there's been an explosion in Americans leaving the country, it's also that there's just a decline in Europeans coming to America.

01:07:27.000 And I think we should reflect on that because.

01:07:30.000 America, as it was 20 years ago, it was a four to one thing because this is where you came for all the opportunity, all the jobs.

01:07:37.000 And there's still a bit of that.

01:07:38.000 Europe's economy is actually quite stagnant and backwards.

01:07:42.000 But ultimately, we do want to be a country where Europeans are culturally and economically at home because that is our bedrock, that is our history. 0.97

01:07:51.000 And instead, we've become, as we've said, a dumping ground for the third world. 1.00

01:07:55.000 They're still coming. 1.00

01:07:56.000 Yeah, but you have to remember this people who move tend not to be 65 and older, right?

01:08:00.000 You don't leave to move to a new country when you're a grandparent, usually.

01:08:06.000 Europe is aging.

01:08:07.000 It's aging vastly.

01:08:08.000 Countries like Italy have a shrinking population.

01:08:10.000 Countries like Poland are very close to it.

01:08:13.000 They're only growing because their expats are moving home because the economy is so strong.

01:08:17.000 That's part of why they don't have many immigrants coming here.

01:08:20.000 And a big part of it is they're afraid of Trump and afraid of America.

01:08:24.000 And they watch CNN abroad.

01:08:26.000 It's nonsense 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

01:08:29.000 So they hear these stories that you have to be afraid, you have to leave.

01:08:32.000 And also, it's a continent of aging people.

01:08:34.000 And if they want, I mean, forget if they want to send people abroad. 0.95

01:08:38.000 If they want to survive as a content, they need to start having babies very, very quickly. 0.64

01:08:43.000 Yeah, that's a very good point.

01:08:45.000 One last story here, Ryan.

01:08:47.000 SAT 37.

01:08:48.000 A real sense of excitement here at Gate D55 in Miami International Airport.

01:08:53.000 That's something you haven't seen up on the board for the past seven years.

01:08:56.000 Caracas, Venezuela.

01:08:57.000 American Airlines is going to make the first commercial flight to Venezuela from the U.S. in seven years.

01:09:03.000 Due to the unrest in that country, it just hasn't happened.

01:09:06.000 For a lot of people here in Florida, it's going to be a chance for some to reunite with their family members.

01:09:12.000 This is a symbol.

01:09:13.000 Not just of reunions, but in how much has changed in Venezuela over the past 117 days.

01:09:19.000 Great. 1.00

01:09:19.000 So, all of the asylum seekers, all of the temporary, whatever the categorization, they can all go home now, right, Ryan? 1.00

01:09:28.000 Absolutely. 1.00

01:09:29.000 If you vacation in the country you are fleeing, you do not get to come back to America. 1.00

01:09:35.000 The amount of Somalians who have vacationed in Somalia and have visited family and they got here through asylum, Absolutely, they should have their citizenship revoked and their asylum claims revoked. 1.00

01:09:47.000 There's no reason they do not belong here then. 1.00

01:09:49.000 If it's so safe to go back, I mean, and if these countries are so terrible, like they have this vote for TPS in Haiti, why can I fly to Port au Prince today?

01:09:58.000 I can go buy a ticket at JFK and fly there today.

01:10:00.000 It's clearly not nearly as dangerous as they're claiming.

01:10:03.000 And if they're going to vacation and going to visit family, they're not running from the government and they don't have a legitimate claim to asylum.

01:10:10.000 Absolutely.

01:10:11.000 If American Airlines or Delta will fly there, there's no reason to get asylum.

01:10:16.000 Amen.

01:10:17.000 We agree.

01:10:18.000 I wish we could disagree.

01:10:21.000 I think when it comes to immigration, Ryan, you and me are probably on the same page.

01:10:25.000 I'm so sick of all this gaming our system and like, oh, I'm just going to go back and visit my family, but I need asylum because I fear for my life.

01:10:32.000 No.

01:10:33.000 You need to get the heck out.

01:10:34.000 And we actually need to.

01:10:35.000 This is the problem with government immigration when they grant this temporary stuff.

01:10:37.000 It's never temporary, it's always gamed.

01:10:41.000 Ryan James Gurdesky.

01:10:43.000 We ran out of time, but check out all of his things the numbers game, Homeland Pack.

01:10:49.000 NatPop Substack, check them all out.

01:10:51.000 Thank you guys.

01:10:55.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charlie.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - April 30, 2026

Erika Kirk's Address to America + The Great Southern Gerrymander

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