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00:02:29.000And they'll audit you and destroy your family.
00:02:31.000I mean, seriously, they will go and they will wreck you.
00:02:34.000So I wear the stupid mask, but I put it below my nose.
00:02:36.000That's at least my sort of subtle protest.
00:02:39.000And it occurred to me how backwards this is.
00:02:41.000If you now, within just one year this happened, if you walk around like a normal person, if you walk around not like Bubble Boy with like a bunch of filthy cloth all over your face, you are considered the conspiracy theorist.
00:04:42.000I got in this very long, pointless, frustrating conversation with a flight attendant who woke me up when I was sleeping with my face mask on, like, sir, face mask, you have to wear a face mask, not a face shield.
00:04:55.000I said, you understand that this face shield is a lot safer.
00:05:27.000Then the left comes in and just tries to destroy those standards and replace it with a new set of standards.
00:05:33.000And I think the problem that we've had, this is what's kind of set us back in fighting against this, is we took the bait whereby we denied all standards altogether.
00:05:43.000So we basically just said, do whatever you want.
00:06:22.000Most conservatives, and they never actually confront me directly, but they'll say this behind my back, and they say, Charlie, you're so provocative.
00:06:29.000I'm like, what exactly am I saying that's so provocative?
00:07:20.000You know, I don't know if I had it or if I didn't have it.
00:07:23.000When I came to Florida, when I came to Palm Beach a year ago, around late December, I developed all the symptoms of coronavirus, did not come back as the flu, did not, which would explain, because I've ignored all these lockdown rules for the past year.
00:10:21.000I think that the California example and many others across the country kind of go to show the creation of truly two Americas, as Jonathan Edwards used to say before he did some other very, very bad things.
00:10:33.000But I'm very worried that, and Ben talked about this, and I know you agree that we're headed for a national divorce.
00:10:39.000And I mean, and Rush talked about this correctly the other day, and people attacked him, but he actually was spot on.
00:10:46.000And we've been talking about this for quite some time, but you're not allowed to talk about it, which is what do we have in common with the people of San Francisco again?
00:11:51.000When you protest the flag, you are stating in no uncertain terms, I hate the country.
00:11:57.000And if that is, we don't have a common language, we don't have a common religion, we don't have really common anything in this country, and it's worked out fine as long as we share some civil allegiance, some loyalty to our country.
00:12:07.000If you lose that, there's nothing keeping us together.
00:12:10.000Not only that, they want to rewrite the history they are.
00:12:12.000And so there's only so long this continues, and all of a sudden the people in Texas are saying, the only thing really I have in common with a Menlo Park person is a unified currency, and that's now worthless too.
00:12:24.000So what exactly do I have in common here?
00:12:27.000And because if you look at what the people in Menlo Park believe, the people in Berkeley, California, or the people in Calabasas or Malibu or Manhattan, you understand kind of the argument is this country is awful.
00:12:41.000We need massive, aggressive, one-size-fits-all policy to undo racial injustices and all social injustice, regardless of what the data demonstrates.
00:13:48.000Yeah, it's also just going to go to that.
00:13:49.000I think people are going to be like, is there an easier way we can do this?
00:13:53.000Where I just, I think that it's not out of the realm of conversation where a national divorce will come, where all of a sudden a couple states will say, let's sever.
00:14:02.000And it's coming in the next two years.
00:14:04.000I mean, I think the divorce analogy is a really good one because if you've got a couple and they're maybe going to go through a bad period of their marriage, maybe they're looking at divorce.
00:14:13.000One way they can try to fix it is say, you did this and you did this, and 10 years ago, you did this to this guy, and now we need to, and it's tit for tat, and I was right and you were wrong.
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00:16:42.000Plus, every Angel Tree family is also given access to free, easy-to-read copy of the Bible in English or Spanish.
00:16:57.000And so then the other part of the divorce analogy that I think is appropriate is that there's mediation, there's terms, there's alimony, and then there's a closure date.
00:17:10.000And what's really interesting, though, is that the post-World War II, we had kind of unification, if you will, East and West Germany, things were coming together.
00:17:21.000And I think there was this desire to try and create some form of almost a forced globalist experiment.
00:17:27.000The European Project's a great example of this.
00:17:28.000And it was a complete and total disaster.
00:17:31.000And I think that America always stood in defiance of that because of a unified culture.
00:17:37.000The flag, a big part of it, literally 50 stars, unified under a shared history and language.
00:17:44.000And now we have half the country that wants nothing to do with the other half.
00:17:49.000And here's where it's actually going to hit a breaking point, though.
00:17:52.000And no one's talking about this, is now that you're in Tennessee and I'm a resident of Florida and spend a lot of time in Arizona, all of a sudden we are going to be forced to bail out the states we fled.
00:18:10.000And we've been saying this for years and it's been ignored.
00:18:12.000It's beyond worse than ever because of the lockdowns.
00:18:15.000And so they're going to come and all of a sudden the 0% income tax Tennessee and the 0% income tax Florida with a lot of former residents of Illinois and California are going to say, no, no, no, no, I'm not going to do that.
00:18:26.000And so just like in marriage, in a marriage that goes wrong, the financial aspect of this is going to accelerate it.
00:18:32.000Because all of a sudden they're like, why am I going to be bailing out these states?
00:18:36.000There's also this philosophical issue, which is, this was part of the logic and problem of the actual Civil War, which is the minute that you secede or you kind of break up the union because you lose political power, you don't get your way, you sort of permanently undermine self-government, right?
00:18:56.000Because the premise of self-government is we're going to have different interests in the country.
00:19:00.000We're going to have different points of view.
00:19:02.000Sometimes you're going to win, sometimes I'm going to win.
00:19:04.000We will respect one another's victories and losses, and then we'll keep going on together.
00:19:10.000If we're in a situation, and by the way, the Democrats are explicitly promising this.
00:19:14.000They're saying if we win the Senate and the White House, we're going to pack the court, we're going to end the filibuster, add new states, you're going to have a permanent Democratic majority.
00:19:21.000Republicans are dead as a national party.
00:19:23.000So if you're in that sort of situation, you say, well, hold on.
00:19:26.000I have no role now in the federal government, at least.
00:19:30.000And yet if we pull out, the self-government is undermined because the very agreement that undergirds self-government is we'll respect each other's wins and losses.
00:19:58.000And the problem is that Democrats are not going to want it at first because they're wholly dependent on the Republican productive class.
00:20:08.000So if you play the thought exercise out to its furthest extent and you have two Americas, let's say like the Dakotas, Kansas, Missouri, Texas, Tennessee, and the South create a country, and then the East and West create their own country like Canada.
00:20:27.000You will still have some plutocrats, probably, who can live there.
00:20:30.000But this is kind of how it ties in with the global empire, where you call it globalism or whatever.
00:20:37.000These guys don't need American workers.
00:20:39.000It actually doesn't matter if there are any manufacturing factories in the new leftist stand of America because they were already outsourcing all the labor.
00:22:47.000The term I use for these conservatives who aren't willing to stand up or go out or break the rules or whatever, I call them court jester conservatives.
00:23:40.000And there are a lot of guys who do that.
00:23:42.000And then when you go out there and you say, Yeah, I think we're going to host zillions of young conservatives at Christmas, and I don't give a damn what Dr. Fauci thinks, you're an outrageous provocateur.
00:23:53.000You're not part of the high-minded, noble conservative tradition of losing.
00:25:04.000I think now all of a sudden they're starting towards physical intimidation.
00:25:07.000They're trying to use the rule of law to try and intimidate their opponents because they hate the rule of law otherwise, but they like using it for their own purposes.
00:25:18.000And I think that some of these kind of, you know, the Vichy French conservatives, and if anyone's listening or watching, they don't get their reference, just look it up.
00:25:26.000Not on Google, look it up, and you'll know exactly what I mean.
00:25:46.000Instead, I'm saying that the moral argument is trying to pander to the force of evil and trying to act as if I want to preserve my own life.
00:26:28.000You know, you kind of go crazy when you make folk etymologies of slang terms, but you realize red pill and woke both refer to waking up out of a dream, the matrix, right?
00:27:33.000But then he goes on about the type of marble he's going to purchase and the type of trimmings he's going to put on the windows and how bad of a deal it was beforehand and how the real estate's going to look.
00:27:42.000So you're like, he actually might get that done.
00:27:47.000Good Ranchers began with the standard of bringing top quality, 100% American-born, raised, and harvested meat to families across America.
00:27:54.000This vision was instilled into them from their grandparents that owned community grocery stores and believed in trust, charity, and family values.
00:28:00.000Look, we've talked about Good Ranchers before.
00:28:02.000They sent us an unbelievable box of meat.
00:28:05.000And producer Connor, he brought it home and he said it was unbelievable.
00:28:10.000Seriously, he started talking about it uninterrupted for quite some time.
00:29:57.000I think Trump accelerated a lot of the trends that have been very negative to our country.
00:30:00.000And also, I think he's finally liberated a discourse that's been lacking in our country.
00:30:05.000I want to ask you about this because I think that there's kind of a coming struggle on the right here.
00:30:09.000I think there's actually more agreement here than not.
00:30:13.000But I'm starting to see that the establishment wants to strike back and the establishment wants to kind of re-assert control over the political power of the Republican Party.
00:30:26.000But I want to ask your opinion of kind of where do you personally fall on some of these discussions of how are we supposed to interpret corporate power at this moment?
00:30:36.000How are we supposed to analyze who exactly in the Republican Party is really representing what's best for our country?
00:31:04.000Well, this is the key to it, though, right?
00:31:06.000The reason it's Trumpism and nobody can seem to define that term is because of Trump's, in my view, greatest political insight, which is he's anti-ideological.
00:31:17.000Yeah, we said this yesterday with Tucker.
00:31:22.000This is the key because, you know, the people who can write their political philosophy on a napkin and five bullet points and say, this is it.
00:31:46.000Yeah, no, but like the conservative movement we grew up in, we'd walk into think tanks with massive pictures of F.A. Hayek and Milton Friedman.
00:33:50.000But this actually, this does relate to kind of the political moment we're in right now, because whenever you're in these times of political crisis, you all go to war with each other.
00:33:59.000This is something, conservatives love this, more so than the left does.
00:34:03.000If you put 100 conservatives into a room, they agree on 97% of things, they will all find a way to disagree with every other one.
00:34:40.000This is, well, this is an issue too, because, you know, we're always saying, oh, the libertarians, this, and the trads, this, and the neocons, this, and whoever, you know, all these different kids.
00:35:40.000A lot of people who invoke these terms and these kind of ideas, they got to go back and read these guys.
00:35:45.000There's a big critique of the founding fathers now saying they were kind of too liberal and had this America had the seeds of its destruction and from the very beginning.
00:40:41.000That's where I think the right needs to reassume kind of our position, which is we need to be unafraid to talk about what ought is for human beings, not to say, well, it's really your own truth.
00:44:32.000And you see, I mean, this actually is where the kind of big government worries are pretty legitimate, which is that the higher you get up the ecclesial food chain these days, the more frustrations there are.
00:44:45.000But the parish priests, in my experience, are still doing a pretty good job.
00:44:49.000Just like in politics, very often the local people, the people who actually have some responsibility to their constituents, they're pretty serious-minded.
00:44:56.000And you get up the food chain, and those plutocrats, whether they're in Menlo Park or they're in Washington, D.C., they just don't care.
00:45:03.000Yeah, it's just been, it's been a very telling year.
00:45:06.000And we're ready to be conquered because we already have been.
00:45:33.000And the other thing is what the left is counting on right now, especially you look at the Georgia Center races, they're talking about this.
00:45:38.000They're banking on our despair, right?
00:45:46.000Because what they're banking on is we're going to say, look, they cheat, they steal, they rob, they violate the Constitution of Pennsylvania.
00:48:21.000But I think that the reason I have hope and optimism is despite all of this nonsense is that the left is trying to build institutions that will crumble.
00:48:38.000We're better organized than we have ever been.
00:48:40.000I know it doesn't feel that way, but because of how tough the left has been on us the last three years, we have the toughest conservative movement I've ever seen.