The Charlie Kirk Show - February 14, 2022


Everything You Need to Know about Hillary Clinton's SPYGATE with Kash Patel


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A bombshell story emerges that Hillary Clinton had back-end access to the White House internet activity. Kash Patel breaks it down for us in this special episode of the CharlieKirk Show. Special guest: Kash Patel, Senior Counselor to the Justice Department's Joint Improving Criminal Complaints Unit.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:01.000 A bombshell story.
00:00:02.000 Hillary Clinton had back-end access to the White House internet activity.
00:00:07.000 We dive into this.
00:00:08.000 I did a lot of research ahead of this episode.
00:00:10.000 I spent like an hour in the desk ahead of time.
00:00:12.000 I got in early, went into all the documents.
00:00:15.000 We have Kash Patel that breaks it down later in the show.
00:00:17.000 But if you want to all of a sudden have a prism change where all of a sudden you're like, maybe Hillary Clinton could get indicted. 0.99
00:00:24.000 Now, we might be getting ahead of ourselves, but you got to listen to this episode, take notes into great detail.
00:00:29.000 I worked very hard on the data side, the research side of this episode.
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00:02:03.000 Late Friday evening, John Durham, who is running the investigation into the origins of the Clinton Fusion GPS Russia hoax, filed an incredible motion.
00:02:18.000 Now, this has constitutional implications.
00:02:20.000 This has legal implications.
00:02:22.000 This is a massive story.
00:02:25.000 This is bigger than Trump.
00:02:27.000 This is bigger than Hillary. 1.00
00:02:29.000 This is a story that has existential implications.
00:02:35.000 So John Durham files this motion, basically accusing Michael Sussman, who's been indicted for lying to the FBI, of a conflict of interest.
00:02:46.000 Now, why this was filed when it was filed is a question that Kash Patel is going to answer for us later this hour.
00:02:54.000 I'm not exactly sure.
00:02:55.000 We could speculate, but I'm going to tell you what's in it, and I'm going to tell you some of the immediate takeaways.
00:03:01.000 So in this filing, so many of the suspicions that we've had all along came to light.
00:03:08.000 Now, you heard Donald Trump say many times, they spied on my campaign.
00:03:13.000 They spied on my campaign.
00:03:14.000 So we thought that that was limited to the FISA court application, which is a big deal, by the way.
00:03:22.000 Using the FISA domestic courts to try and obtain a warrant to spy on a presidential candidate, a law or via Carter Page, was a massive violation of the Fourth Amendment, constitutional orthodoxy, and due process as we know it.
00:03:40.000 And that story has been unraveling for a couple years.
00:03:43.000 It's been drip, drip, drip, leak, leak, leak.
00:03:48.000 And without John Durham, we'd never get to the bottom of it.
00:03:50.000 But to be honest, I thought that was kind of the extent of it.
00:03:53.000 I thought we had this kind of all mapped out.
00:03:56.000 We had Hillary Clinton that paid Fusion GPS multiples of millions of dollars. 1.00
00:04:01.000 That money was then used to try and concoct the Russian narrative.
00:04:06.000 We know that there was involvement with that Russian woman who pretended to be in charge of an adoption agency, who came and met with Donald Trump Jr. meetings were a big part of this.
00:04:17.000 This was a collusion scheme.
00:04:19.000 We know that.
00:04:20.000 But what we suspected and what we didn't know was the extent of what Hillary Clinton did personally to continue this operation.
00:04:32.000 So what we have is a timeline issue.
00:04:35.000 You see, the other side would say, yeah, okay, they tried to get a FISA warrant, but it's because there was a lot of intelligence and they'd created this dirty dossier and, you know, and then Trump became president, and then we left it at that.
00:04:48.000 But it's much deeper than that.
00:04:50.000 And it's so reprehensible what these people did.
00:05:02.000 So what came out in this court filing is John Durham revealed that Hillary Clinton and her campaign continued a surveillance project while Donald Trump was president.
00:05:17.000 That's right, president of the United States.
00:05:20.000 Now, you might ask how that would be possible.
00:05:23.000 Well, Hillary Clinton went and found a group of tech workers.
00:05:26.000 We suspect these tech workers work for Georgia Tech.
00:05:30.000 They are internet service providing tech geniuses, you could say.
00:05:36.000 Hillary Clinton hired them and basically knew that they had back-end government access. 0.83
00:05:44.000 So these tech workers worked for DARPA, which is the defense research agency.
00:05:50.000 So basically, they were able to track internet activity and maybe know more, but we know at least internet activity of what was happening in the EOP.
00:06:00.000 Now, the EOP is the executive office of the president.
00:06:04.000 So Hillary Clinton, according to this filing, hired tech workers, outside vendors, who then came through and were monitoring what websites the White House was visiting. 0.98
00:06:20.000 Your government.
00:06:23.000 So these tech executives had government access and exploited it for money and for espionage.
00:06:30.000 This is total and complete domestic espionage, using their access to spy on a sitting president of the United States.
00:06:38.000 Let's play cut two, Maria Bartaroma on how countries would love to have access to the White House and how is it that a tech company was able to gain access?
00:06:48.000 Play cut two.
00:06:49.000 Every American should be outraged by this.
00:06:52.000 Do you know how many foreign countries want to get into the White House's internet flow?
00:06:58.000 How many adversaries out there want to get into the White House, the president of the United States, internet activity, and this tech executive was able to do that?
00:07:08.000 What does that tell us about the national security of this country?
00:07:12.000 What does that tell us of the power of the Clinton machine enabling to take down her political enemy for four years straight and damage his reputation?
00:07:23.000 This is even bigger than just spying on a campaign.
00:07:26.000 As soon as Donald Trump took the oath of office, there was an assumption amongst many conservatives that the spying stopped.
00:07:33.000 How do you spy on a president?
00:07:34.000 He has secret service protection.
00:07:37.000 He has special encrypted phones.
00:07:40.000 He has hardwired internet access.
00:07:42.000 It's the president, after all, isn't it?
00:07:44.000 Nope.
00:07:45.000 Hillary Clinton found a way to still spy on Trump.
00:07:49.000 She found a way to continue the Russian narrative while he was the commander-in-chief.
00:07:56.000 What do you think about that?
00:07:58.000 He's in charge of the executive branch of government.
00:08:00.000 He is the sovereign choice of the people.
00:08:03.000 He's not sovereign, but the people gave their power to him through an election.
00:08:07.000 And what does Hillary Clinton do? 1.00
00:08:08.000 She continues the money flow to these tech workers, and Michael Sussman was involved in all of this, to keep on trafficking or monitoring the internet traffic in the White House.
00:08:20.000 For example, if anyone in the White House may have visited RT, which is Russian television or whatever, hey, that's a traitor.
00:08:27.000 Now, why would she do that? 1.00
00:08:29.000 She was trying to find little crumbs of internet activity to try to prove that the White House was in communication with the Russians.
00:08:36.000 Well, of course, they were in communication with the Russians here and there.
00:08:39.000 It's part of diplomacy.
00:08:41.000 So the question is: what did Hillary Clinton and these tech workers find and what do they do with it?
00:08:45.000 They planned a summit in Helsinki with the Russian government.
00:08:50.000 So let me get this straight.
00:08:52.000 It's not that the government was spying on you.
00:08:55.000 That's happening now.
00:08:56.000 It's Hillary was spying on our government. 1.00
00:09:01.000 I want you to think about that.
00:09:04.000 Who's actually in charge in this situation?
00:09:07.000 This is how naive I was.
00:09:09.000 I thought that, okay, once you get president, become president, it could leak.
00:09:12.000 They can attack you.
00:09:14.000 But then, should we be really that surprised?
00:09:16.000 I shouldn't now that I thought about it.
00:09:17.000 They spied on Donald Trump's phone call to Ukraine and leaked the contents of it, a perfectly fine phone call, and they impeached him because of it.
00:09:26.000 What Hillary Clinton did via these tech workers, which again, think about it, these guys are internet programmers.
00:09:33.000 They are paid by the federal, they are paid by the federal government, and then they're like, oh, let's do some side work to exploit our security clearance for political opportunity.
00:09:41.000 That used to be called treason.
00:09:44.000 You can't do that.
00:09:46.000 It's not like an innocent mistake.
00:09:47.000 Like, oh, well, yeah, I didn't know that we can't give the internet logs or the traffic of the White House.
00:09:55.000 I want you to think for a second: what if there was a serious leak from these tech workers?
00:10:01.000 I'm talking about we were going to go take out Al-Baghdadi and one of these tech workers was compromised by ISIS.
00:10:07.000 What if we were going to take out Qassam Soleimani and they leak it to the Iranians? 1.00
00:10:12.000 All of that is conceivable based on this back end.
00:10:15.000 Hillary Clinton built a back tunnel into the internet access of the government of the United States. 0.58
00:10:24.000 This is bigger than anything we thought previously.
00:10:26.000 Okay, you spy on Trump using Pfizer.
00:10:28.000 You try to do that.
00:10:29.000 No, no, no.
00:10:31.000 She built a tunnel so she could see what your government was doing because she didn't like their politics. 1.00
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00:12:55.000 Front page of the Washington Post.
00:12:56.000 They have an infographic of the game-winning play from the Super Bowl, but no mention of this new court filing from Durham.
00:13:05.000 Now, I'm going to say something.
00:13:06.000 I don't think it's likely and I think it's unlikely, but it's first time it's in the cards.
00:13:11.000 I think that's in the cards that Hillary could potentially be criminally culpable and indicted. 1.00
00:13:17.000 I don't think it's going to happen.
00:13:19.000 I'm too cynical for that.
00:13:20.000 And I've learned that there's two sets of rules, a two-tier justice system.
00:13:23.000 But what has been revealed in these documents, it's far worse than just paying for a dirty dossier and you know what's going to happen for the FISA court.
00:13:36.000 No, this was an ongoing espionage operation, and it warrants a couple questions.
00:13:41.000 How long was it?
00:13:43.000 What period of time was Hillary spying on the White House? 0.99
00:13:48.000 What did Hillary know about it? 0.82
00:13:49.000 Where were the reports sent to and from?
00:13:54.000 What was done with those reports?
00:13:56.000 What information was gathered?
00:13:59.000 Remember this when Hillary Clinton had tweets on Trump colluding with Russia?
00:14:02.000 Cut eight.
00:14:04.000 Hillary Clinton, Twitter account.
00:14:07.000 Computer scientists have apparently uncovered a covert server linking the Trump organization to a Russian-based bank.
00:14:13.000 Here's another.
00:14:14.000 It's time for Trump to answer serious questions about his ties to Russia.
00:14:18.000 Now, this was right before the election.
00:14:20.000 That's what's so bizarre about it.
00:14:22.000 Instead of spending money in Wisconsin or Pennsylvania, Hillary was spending millions of dollars paying computer scientists to hack into Trump Tower. 1.00
00:14:32.000 And that's the other part of it.
00:14:33.000 The other part of it is that this started with hiring tech workers to infiltrate Trump's towers internet activity, DNS activity.
00:14:41.000 And then she found other tech workers or continued as tech workers and did it to the government of the United States. 1.00
00:14:48.000 This is an insurrection, or it's close to it.
00:14:50.000 If you want, all of a sudden use that word insurrection.
00:14:52.000 I mean, maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
00:14:53.000 I know that word is overused.
00:14:54.000 But wouldn't it be closer to someone actually hiring tech workers to monitor and spy on the government of the United States?
00:15:04.000 Hillary Clinton, who is a non-government employee, a citizen, hires tech workers to spy on what the government is doing. 0.94
00:15:15.000 That's a lot more like insurrection than a 75-year-old grandma coming into the Capitol Rotunda with a don't tread on me flag taking a selfie of herself. 0.66
00:15:23.000 Which one is more like an insurrection?
00:15:26.000 The grandma going into the Capitol Rotunda and smiling and taking a selfie, or Hillary Clinton paying millions of dollars to tech workers using their back-end access to see what sites and internet traffic is occurring in the White House.
00:15:39.000 So what's next is the question.
00:15:42.000 Well, Kash Patel is going to join us in just a couple of moments to walk us through that.
00:15:48.000 And what's so extraordinary about this is Hillary didn't stop. 0.89
00:15:53.000 Trump becomes president, and she didn't suspend all the espionage or the dark arts operations.
00:15:58.000 She accelerated it.
00:16:00.000 Think of the spine it takes.
00:16:02.000 And I'm being nice by using spine, by the way.
00:16:05.000 You can fill it in with any word you want, that it takes, the gumption, the wherewithal it takes to say, hey, he got sworn in.
00:16:13.000 I solemnly swear.
00:16:15.000 And he walks over to the White House, and then you go send your goons, Mark Elias, Sussman, and others, to go find tech workers that have been given security access to the government to say, hey, can you leak some of that so that we might be able to leak it to the FBI so we can continue to try to build a fake Russian narrative against Donald Trump?
00:16:36.000 There's a lot of words you could use to describe this, treason, insurrection, espionage.
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00:17:54.000 I want you to imagine if the Russians did this, let alone Hillary Clinton. 0.53
00:17:59.000 Imagine if the Russians were able to get some contractors and say, we want to spy on the internet activity of what's going on in the White House.
00:18:09.000 What's to say that hasn't happened, by the way?
00:18:12.000 If it's that easy to just get the internet activity to the White House, the Chinese have probably already done it. 1.00
00:18:18.000 The Iranians have probably already done it. 1.00
00:18:21.000 An ongoing monitoring operation of a sitting U.S. president.
00:18:27.000 Now, remember when Donald Trump was on 60 Minutes with Leslie Stalt?
00:18:36.000 And he said, my campaign was spied on.
00:18:40.000 And she said, oh, there's no evidence of this.
00:18:42.000 Play cut one.
00:18:44.000 The biggest scandal was when they spied on my campaign.
00:18:48.000 They spied on my campaign.
00:18:49.000 There's no real evidence of that.
00:18:51.000 Of course there is.
00:18:52.000 It's all over the place.
00:18:53.000 Leslie, they spied on my campaign and they got caught.
00:18:56.000 Can I say something?
00:18:58.000 You know, this is 60 Minutes.
00:19:00.000 And we can't put on things we can't verify.
00:19:03.000 You won't put it on because it's bad for Biden.
00:19:05.000 We can't put on things we can't verify.
00:19:07.000 Leslie, they spied on my campaign.
00:19:08.000 Well, we can't verify it's not totally verified.
00:19:11.000 No.
00:19:11.000 It's been, just go down and get the papers.
00:19:14.000 They spied on my campaign.
00:19:15.000 They got caught.
00:19:16.000 No.
00:19:17.000 And then they went much further than that and they got caught.
00:19:20.000 And you will see that, Leslie.
00:19:21.000 And you know that, but you just don't want to believe all the internet.
00:19:24.000 As a matter of fact, I don't know that.
00:19:28.000 This is 60 Minutes.
00:19:29.000 We take ourselves very seriously here.
00:19:32.000 And there's no real evidence to suggest that.
00:19:36.000 Even though there was at the time.
00:19:38.000 Now, what Trump was focused on in that exchange with Leslie was not even the Hillary Clinton spying on the White House allegations.
00:19:46.000 It was the Carter Page allegations.
00:19:49.000 That was the main focus of it because that's what we knew.
00:19:52.000 But John Durham has now dug up invoices from Michael Sussman, who is now indicted, who is basically invoicing the Clinton campaign for ongoing services of monitoring the White House.
00:20:09.000 Here's just like some general word to the wise.
00:20:12.000 If you're going to spy on the White House, don't put it in your legal invoices.
00:20:17.000 Just call it general legal consulting.
00:20:21.000 No, instead, it was consulting for X tech company to Y service.
00:20:30.000 But don't worry, according to Leslie, she says, Look, we're 60 minutes, okay?
00:20:37.000 You have to take us very, very seriously.
00:20:40.000 Now, Trump likely knew in that conversation about Hillary Clinton spying on the White House.
00:20:48.000 But let me tell you something.
00:20:50.000 I think Trump should have leaked it.
00:20:54.000 Now, that might have screwed up the Durham investigation, but hasn't this whole thing been more about public opinion than anything else?
00:21:03.000 If we knew that Trump was being spied on, the whole White House, it's not just Trump, it's all the White House staffers.
00:21:10.000 It's the National Security Council, it's John Bolton with that weird mustache.
00:21:15.000 It's all everyone, their internet activity was back-ended.
00:21:20.000 So I want you to imagine: here's the analogy of basically what happened.
00:21:24.000 I want you to imagine, without you knowing it, someone was able to monitor all of your internet search activity to your house and your business and build a dossier of alleged information based on that.
00:21:41.000 For example, oh, he Googled hotels in Moscow.
00:21:45.000 He must be a Russian agent.
00:21:48.000 Maybe you were just interested what hotels there were in Moscow.
00:21:53.000 Just kind of, you were just searching on Expedia for fun.
00:21:58.000 That's what they were doing.
00:21:59.000 And someone who knows this better than anyone else who has been the anti-cynic Kash Patel, who is terrific.
00:22:08.000 He's joining us by phone right now.
00:22:10.000 Cash, how are you doing?
00:22:12.000 Late, I was talking to our great friend and leader, President Trump.
00:22:15.000 So apologies.
00:22:17.000 No, that's okay.
00:22:17.000 I'm sure he's a little fired up right now.
00:22:19.000 So that's not an easy conversation to end.
00:22:24.000 Cash, I did my best to go through all of this.
00:22:27.000 I mentioned the filing on Friday, what was in the filing, the ongoing surveillance project of a sitting president of the United States in the White House, which is beyond comprehension.
00:22:38.000 What is the public missing?
00:22:41.000 What I might be missing?
00:22:42.000 Tell me what I might be missing in regards to this.
00:22:45.000 To me, I think you nailed it, Charlie.
00:22:46.000 That's the highlight.
00:22:47.000 I mean, it's sad that we now say that surveilling a presidential candidate is sort of last week's criminal activity.
00:22:55.000 Now we're talking about surveilling an entire White House compound, not just the Oval Office, but the National Security Council, the Economic Council, the Office of the Vice President, the Office of the Trade, and every other piece of traffic that goes through the compound of the 17 acres where the president resides.
00:23:11.000 That is the most, the biggest criminal activity that has occurred that I've ever heard of.
00:23:16.000 I don't think science fiction could have written it.
00:23:18.000 Yeah, and it's just, I mean, it's, I think it should be illegal, right?
00:23:22.000 I mean, who's who says you could build a back-end access to White House internet activity?
00:23:26.000 How's that possible?
00:23:26.000 Well, let's have some fun now that I'm finally out of government.
00:23:29.000 And since I haven't been around the intelligence, they can't accuse me of disclosing classified intelligence.
00:23:34.000 But what I'll tell you is my take.
00:23:36.000 In the Durham pleading, he wrote that there was a sensitive arrangement, quote unquote, that allowed those tech guys that the Democrats and Hillary Clinton and Jake Sullivan hired to gain access to the White House.
00:23:51.000 So the only way that happens, Charlie, the only way on planet Earth that happens in my estimation is if you have an arrangement with the NSA.
00:23:59.000 Oh, so you think the NSA was working with these tech contractors to build an encrypted tunnel or not a tunnel so you could look at internet access of the EOP?
00:24:10.000 Is that right?
00:24:11.000 So in my experience, and since I haven't been around the intel and I'm giving you my estimation, there's no other sensitive arrangement you could make to get access to the most secure servers on planet Earth unless you're talking to the intelligence community, i.e. the NSA.
00:24:26.000 So the NSA allegedly willingly built a leaking operation of what websites the White House was visiting via these tech workers.
00:24:36.000 So how do the tech workers come into play here?
00:24:38.000 They were just the middlemen?
00:24:40.000 No.
00:24:40.000 So what happens generally is the tech, they become contractors.
00:24:44.000 So they go to the NSA and they form some sort of arrangement like we do all the time with private companies.
00:24:48.000 And we say, we are going to hire, we, the NSA, the intelligence community, are going to hire you, the tech workers, to do X, Y, and Z. Or the tech workers approach them and said, we want a contract for you.
00:24:59.000 And this is the effort that we want to undertake with you.
00:25:03.000 And that's the only way in.
00:25:04.000 There's no other way in.
00:25:06.000 There's no other sensitive agreement, arrangement, excuse me, to use John Durham's words, that allows you access to those servers.
00:25:13.000 It just doesn't exist.
00:25:14.000 So just so I understand, the NSA worked with Hillary.
00:25:18.000 Is that right?
00:25:19.000 Through, in my estimation, the NSA and the intelligence community worked with the Hillary Clinton campaign to surveil a sitting president of the United States and not just him, his entire compound.
00:25:33.000 Yeah, I'm not trying to interrupt you, Cash, but the campaign was over, right?
00:25:37.000 I mean, she wasn't president, right?
00:25:40.000 She lost.
00:25:41.000 No, you're totally right.
00:25:41.000 And so.
00:25:43.000 But remember, the guy that's indicted, Sussman, the lead lawyer for the Hillary Clinton campaign, right?
00:25:48.000 He peddled the whole Alpha Bank server situation that he had made up by these same very tech guys in February of 17.
00:25:56.000 He brought that to the FBI.
00:25:59.000 So they continued on through the campaign, through the election, and into President Trump's presidency.
00:26:06.000 So it's no surprise that they stuck to their efforts that they had been working on for almost two years by that point.
00:26:12.000 So explain this to me.
00:26:14.000 And Cash, it's just hard to comprehend.
00:26:16.000 It shouldn't be, honestly, but because we've become so cynical.
00:26:19.000 But this one even blew me away.
00:26:21.000 I spent like an hour diving into it this morning and I have more questions than answers.
00:26:25.000 Why did Durham do this filing on Friday?
00:26:28.000 And what's the significance of these filings?
00:26:30.000 Just walk us through the legal technicalities of that.
00:26:33.000 Yeah, sure.
00:26:33.000 So look, what he's doing, it was a motion regarding conflicts of counsel.
00:26:38.000 And basically all that means is John Durham has a duty as a federal prosecutor, as I did when I was running these types of cases, that if you see that the target, your defendant, in this case, Sussman, his lawyers are representing multiple people that are targets of an investigation or witnesses of an investigation.
00:26:57.000 He, John Durham, has to let the court know that there exists a possible conflict of interest.
00:27:02.000 Because if he, John Durham, knows about it and doesn't let the court know, then that's basically an automatic reversal, i.e., Sussman can go to trial, get convicted, and it'll be reversed in the appellate courts because there was not a waiver of what we call a waiver of a conflict in counsel.
00:27:16.000 So basically, all of the Perkins Cooys, the Democratic lawyer machine, they went out and hired this big fancy law firm, Latham and Watkins.
00:27:24.000 But all of them were represented by the same one firm that Sussman is.
00:27:28.000 So Durham Durham is basically saying, look, Judge, I'm putting everyone on notice.
00:27:32.000 And by the way, here's a bunch of other information.
00:27:35.000 He's being very smart because it's his only way to talk to the public.
00:27:38.000 That makes perfect sense.
00:27:40.000 And I suppose it also is spooking all the other ones because of this filing, right?
00:27:45.000 I mean, they're now learning their targets of the investigation.
00:27:49.000 So, Cash, last time we had you on this program, you said that you think it wouldn't go higher than maybe the FBI deputy director.
00:27:59.000 Now, what do you think now?
00:28:02.000 I mean, I said, and I could be wrong, I think it's unlikely.
00:28:05.000 I think it's a low probability, but is a Hillary indictment in the cards here?
00:28:10.000 What's your analysis here?
00:28:11.000 I mean, I try to, you know, I would say that's wishful thinking.
00:28:17.000 I try to be realistic.
00:28:18.000 It's going to be very hard to indict her because she's just, you know, she's so smart and she's so, let's be honest. 0.80
00:28:25.000 Machiavellian.
00:28:26.000 Exactly.
00:28:27.000 And so she covers her tracks. 0.51
00:28:28.000 She's not dumb. 0.60
00:28:29.000 She's very smart.
00:28:30.000 And she hired a team of people to execute her Machiavellian plan here, to borrow your words.
00:28:37.000 And of course, those people aren't going to have signature trails leading back to her phone calls or emails or anything like that.
00:28:43.000 They just wouldn't operate like that.
00:28:44.000 So it's going to be very hard to get her.
00:28:46.000 But I think you can start targeting the Jake Sullivans of the world, the current National Security Advisor and former Hillary Clinton top aide, who I believe has been lying to Congress in America when he says, oh, I had no idea what Perkins Cooey was doing.
00:29:01.000 I mean, just think about that, Charlie.
00:29:02.000 The head of the Hillary Clinton campaign who's paying Perkins Cooey millions of dollars is actually telling America he didn't know what they were spending the money on.
00:29:10.000 Cash, and you have to be careful because of all the roles you've had in government, Chief Staff to DOD all this.
00:29:16.000 Were you shocked to learn this filing that the surveillance continued while he was president?
00:29:23.000 I will say now, yes, I was floored that it continued into the White House.
00:29:28.000 Yes.
00:29:29.000 That is absolutely not even unheard of.
00:29:32.000 I haven't even literally, I was like, I was interweb searching the other day just for like the craziest things that can happen at a White House and I couldn't find anything like this.
00:29:39.000 Yeah, I mean, I said earlier, this feels more like an insurrection than a bunch of grandmas walking into a rotunda and taking selfies.
00:29:47.000 I'm not saying it is.
00:29:48.000 I'm not saying it is an insurrection.
00:29:49.000 I think that word is overused, obviously, but it surely is closer when you get back end access to internet traffic of the executive branch of the United States.
00:29:58.000 Who's to say the Iranians or the Russians, which we're supposed to hate, or the Chinese couldn't do the same? 1.00
00:30:04.000 And with the help potentially of the NSA, so this feels like it's highly orchestrated inside government, NSA, all of it.
00:30:13.000 This could be even bigger than Durham.
00:30:15.000 Oh, yeah.
00:30:16.000 I mean, this makes Watergate look like a parking ticket.
00:30:18.000 It makes Christopher Steele's nonsense look like a misdemeanor.
00:30:22.000 This is the biggest orchestrated criminal enterprise in U.S. history against a sitting president.
00:30:27.000 And it has to be.
00:30:28.000 I mean, just think about what we're talking about.
00:30:30.000 It's now been proven that they penetrated.
00:30:32.000 They, the Hillary Clinton campaign, penetrated the White House to spy on a sitting president and his team who are duly elected and charged with running the governance of this country.
00:30:44.000 That has to be criminal.
00:30:47.000 Totally.
00:30:48.000 So how high do you think this goes?
00:30:51.000 How wide does this go?
00:30:52.000 I mean, Sullivan might be involved, all these different sorts of things.
00:30:55.000 And what's the timeline look like here?
00:30:59.000 Because now we're getting teased a little bit with some justice and that a president who was elected is still spied on and the internet activity is back-ended.
00:31:09.000 What do you think the timeline to hold people accountable is here?
00:31:12.000 Well, you know, I think you and I have talked about in the past.
00:31:14.000 It's still a couple of months away because, and I think this teasing, you know, these bits of information we're getting from John Durham show you why it's taking him so long because it's so complex.
00:31:24.000 I mean, he's unraveling a scheme that literally sci-fi writers in Hollywood couldn't conjure up.
00:31:30.000 And to prove it, you can't just say, oh, I know it happened.
00:31:33.000 You have to prove it in a court of law, which is twice as hard to do.
00:31:36.000 So he's obtaining, you know, literally millions of call records, data records, internet traffic.
00:31:41.000 He's got to get people to digest that, to look at it, to connect the dots, to make it so that it's translatable in a court of law.
00:31:49.000 And that's a big lift.
00:31:50.000 I think in the next two to three months, I've always said that's basically the timeline.
00:31:53.000 You're going to see a couple more indictments start coming.
00:31:56.000 And then it's just going to keep going.
00:31:58.000 So we'll see another pleading or two is my guess from him in the next week or two with more information, which will ultimately lead to more indictments.
00:32:08.000 I'm convinced of that and have been for a long time.
00:32:10.000 If a foreign government did this, what would it be?
00:32:14.000 An act of war, treason?
00:32:15.000 What would it be if the Iranians hired a subcontractor to get back-end access to the White House? 0.85
00:32:22.000 I mean, it's look, as a foreign federal prosecutor, I don't want to throw around words, you know, but it's essentially treasonous behavior because they, our foreign adversary, is trying to take out the operations of the White House, you know, the center of the United States government.
00:32:39.000 So that would be not, I don't want to say an act of war, but it would be an act that would be responded to swiftly and harshly, say if Iran did this or somebody else like that. 0.65
00:32:50.000 And it should be no different if now we are learning that, you know, it was Hillary Clinton and her campaign, the response to be harsh and swift.
00:32:59.000 And the fake news media has to start covering this.
00:33:02.000 That's the second tragedy that, you know, we, I know we haven't talked about it, but as bad as this criminal activity is, I think the media is responsible for it as well because they failed to cover it, lied about it for so long.
00:33:12.000 And let's see what they do now with the latest pleadings.
00:33:15.000 Well, they still aren't covering it.
00:33:17.000 And it's bigger than just FISA.
00:33:18.000 It's bigger than just Carter Page.
00:33:20.000 This is now bigger than a dossier.
00:33:22.000 The question is, who is giving back end access to the executive branch of our government?
00:33:29.000 I just, that to me is the centerpiece.
00:33:32.000 It's bigger than anything I have heard previously.
00:33:35.000 Tell us why.
00:33:36.000 You're absolutely right.
00:33:37.000 Because we have to demand answers to that question because there is no other arrangement that can be made.
00:33:44.000 What John Durham is saying is this tech group that was hired by the Hillary Clinton campaign had permission through a sensitive arrangement to obtain data from White House servers.
00:33:57.000 What United States government would allow that?
00:34:00.000 Obviously, not the Trump administration because no one asked the Trump administration, which proves what we've been saying all along.
00:34:06.000 Leadership, career bureaucrats who were in place set up arrangements in contravention to the commander-in-chief to spy on him and they did it with President Trump's enemy.
00:34:17.000 I mean, if Republicans did this, we know how it would.
00:34:23.000 I mean, it's just insurrection treason.
00:34:26.000 And this is when they said they were going to do whatever was necessary to get rid of Trump, they really meant it.
00:34:32.000 And Chuck Schumer, it was not an idle threat when he went on Rachel Maddow's show back in January of 2017.
00:34:39.000 They meant it.
00:34:39.000 Very possibly built back end access to internet activity in the White House to continue this.
00:34:44.000 This is bigger than spying on a campaign.
00:34:46.000 It was spying on a president duly elected by the people.
00:34:49.000 Cash, we're out of time.
00:34:50.000 Thank you so much.
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00:34:56.000 Thank you.
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