The Russia-Russia-Russia hoax is a conspiracy theory that has been going on since before the 2016 election. The CIA and FBI declassified a 300-page document that is full of bombshells, but no one is talking about it. What is the connection between the document and the Hillary Clinton campaign and Russia? And why is the media not covering it? Alex Marlow, author of the new book, Breaking the Law, explains why the media is complicit in the cover-up.
00:00:09.000He's on assignment, but we unpack in detail everything you need to know about what we learned from the Durham Annex report that was just declassified by Chuck Grassley, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.
00:00:25.000He declassified it so we could dive into it.
00:00:31.000I brick by brick make the case for why this is one of, if not the greatest political scandals and cover-ups in our history.
00:00:41.000And then we bring in Alex Marlow, author of the new book, Breaking the Law, to explain why the media is complicit in the silence and they are not picking up this story, which is full of bombshells.
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00:02:35.000There's so many little nuances and details here.
00:02:38.000So I want you to sit back, relax, and listen as we walk through detail after detail here.
00:02:47.000And the team and Charlie posted a tweet yesterday that even the FBI director Cash Patel quote tweeted and said this is a great summary of what's going on.
00:03:12.000And so let me just give you the basics of the Russia-Russia-Russia hoax.
00:03:18.000And Chuck Grassley is calling it one of the biggest political scandals and cover-ups in American history.
00:03:25.000Jonathan Turley is calling it an elaborate political illusion.
00:03:28.000And now it's like you're on stage magic show and they bring one of the attendees up on stage and you can't figure out how the trick worked.
00:03:37.000Well, now we're getting to see how the trick worked, how they pulled off one of the biggest scandals in American history.
00:03:46.000And there's a little bit of, I would say, caution, at least on one piece of evidence that we need to exercise here.
00:03:53.000And I'll get to that in just a second.
00:03:55.000Yesterday, Chuck Grassley, right before our show yesterday, Chuck Grassley's office released a previously classified 29-page annex to the 300-page 2023 Durham report.
00:04:14.000This took a lot of coordination between the CIA and the FBI to release this report to declassify it to the public.
00:04:21.000So thank you to both of the leaderships in those and those agencies.
00:04:25.000So the main thrust of this annex is that U.S. intelligence collected reports from a Russian source suggesting that Russia had discovered a plan by Hillary Clinton in the Clinton campaign to concoct false ties between the Trump campaign and Russia as a campaign tactic.
00:04:47.000And I want you to take your mind back into this timeframe in 2016.
00:04:51.000Hillary Clinton was under increasing scrutiny for her use of a private email server, very highly sensitive and classified documents, government documents.
00:05:02.000And that's all anybody wanted to talk about.
00:05:04.000Remember the main moment on a debate stage during the primary between Bernie and Hillary?
00:05:10.000And Bernie even said, I'm sick of talking about damn emails or whatever.
00:05:13.000Well, the American people were not sick of talking about emails.
00:05:22.000We're going to drop scandalous lies about President Trump to distract from the email server.
00:05:31.000Now, see, the annex is still significantly redacted, but it appears that the contents are based on Russia successfully hacking various left-wing think tanks and organizations back in 2016 and then creating intelligence reports about what they found.
00:05:49.000So a lot of these have been translated from Russian.
00:05:53.000One of these reports, translated from Russian, describes a purported email sent by Leonard Bernardo, an official at the Soros-funded Open Society Foundations.
00:06:04.000These emails, if they're real, say that Hillary Clinton personally approved a plan.
00:06:11.000So with the DNI bombshells from Tulsi Gabbard, we learned that Obama personally directed a new assessment, a new intel assessment.
00:06:19.000Well, in this case, we learned that Hillary Clinton personally approved a plan by her advisor, Julianne Smith, to quote, smear Donald Trump by magnifying the scandal tied to the intrusion by the Russian special services in the pre-election process.
00:06:37.000Remember that expression because it's a translation from Russian, special services.
00:06:42.000In another email allegedly sent by Bernardo, he declares that once the Clinton campaign launches their smear campaign, quote, later the FBI will put more oil into the fire.
00:06:56.000In other words, the report seems to be describing a plan for the Clinton campaign and the FBI to coordinate in the pure concoction, the invention of a Trump-Russia collusion narrative.
00:07:10.000So let me repeat: their plan was to weaponize the Intel community.
00:07:17.000They knew with alarming specificity, according to the Durham Annex, how this would play out.
00:07:25.000So either they knew the rhythms of the FBI and how this would be investigated, which is the more, let's say, generous interpretation, or there was direct collaboration between Clinton campaign operatives and FBI assets or FBI personnel, knowing exactly the sequence of events that would play out.
00:07:46.000They knew that they could launder this salacious investigation, this concocted, manufactured, steel dossier Russia collusion hoax through the FBI and through the IC in order to put oil on the fire.
00:08:03.000All of this happened in July 2016, way before the November election, and just days before the FBI launched Crossfire Hurricane, the very controversial investigation.
00:08:17.000Now, this is the one note of caution that I want to pause on.
00:08:44.000So they found some evidence that the emails were actually a composite of emails from several different sources that the Russians were able to hack in the summer of 2016.
00:08:56.000For example, large parts of one of the supposed Bonardo emails actually has identical language to a different email from Tim Maurer, a figure at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
00:09:11.000It could be some zombie amalgamation of different sources put together for quick reading.
00:09:19.000We don't know why these emails match each other.
00:09:23.000But even if these emails are fake, the U.S. government actually became, this is what we know, the U.S. government became aware of these Russia reports right away.
00:09:33.000John Brennan, who more and more is appearing to be the chief villain in all of this, briefed President Obama about these Russian reports in early August 2016 at virtually the same moment that Crossfire Hurricane was getting started.
00:09:49.000So they knew without a shadow of a doubt that Russians, at least, believe there was a plot for the FBI to boost the Clinton campaign by investigating Trump.
00:10:02.000The FBI knew this, and instead of pulling back, investigating the Clinton campaign, what did they do?
00:10:09.000They investigated President Trump anyways.
00:10:14.000So let's dive into this email again, this Leonard Bernardo email.
00:10:20.000Open Societies guy says, HRC, Hillary Rodham Clinton, approved Julia's idea about Trump and Russian hackers hampering U.S. elections.
00:10:30.000This should distract people from her own missing email, especially if the affair goes to the Olympic level.
00:10:37.000The point is making the Russian play a U.S. domestic issue.
00:10:43.000Say something like critical infrastructure threat for the election to feel menace, since both POTUS and Vice POTUS have acknowledged the fact IC would speed up searching for evidence that regrettably is still unavailable.
00:10:56.000They're telling you that they knew the way this was going to play out.
00:11:00.000They're telling you that they manufactured intelligence to smear Trump and they hoped it would go to the Olympic level.
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00:12:15.000And I want you to pay close attention to how this was laundered into the public domain.
00:12:22.000All of these lies, these concoctions, again, July 2016.
00:12:26.000This is far before this became a major, major Intel community-led scandal that ended up leading to a special counsel with Robert Moeller and the hijacking of Trump's almost his entire first term.
00:12:42.000Dramatic the consequences that this lie ultimately had.
00:12:46.000What's disturbing to us is that we, experts are telling us that Russian state actors broke into the DNC, stole these emails, and other experts are now saying that the Russians are releasing these emails for the purpose of actually helping Donald Trump.
00:13:02.000I think we need to be concerned that we also saw last week at the Republican convention that Trump and his allies made changes to the Republican platform to make it more pro-Russian.
00:13:13.000And we saw him talking about how NATO shouldn't intervene to defend, necessarily should intervene to defend our Eastern European allies if they're attacked by Russia.
00:13:21.000So I think when you put all this together, it's a disturbing picture.
00:13:24.000And I think voters need to reflect on that.
00:14:09.000What the hoax, the illusion, the prestige is that they were concocting a narrative that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia and that Russia wanted Trump to win.
00:14:25.000Both of those allegations, both of those lies are what they are.
00:14:33.000They're cooked intel and they were laundered into the intelligence community, the FBI, because they knew the FBI would add credence and credibility to them, which they did.
00:14:42.000So this is one of the things I want to say on this is on page four.
00:14:47.000So it says, among other things, the Clinton staff would, with support from special services, again, you got to remember, this is translated from Russian, is preparing scandalous revelations of business relations between Trump and the Russian mafia.
00:15:03.000And if you go to page five, it says, with regard to discussion in that last paragraph of his scandalous revelations that the Clinton staff was preparing with support from special services, the word that FBI linguist translated special services are Russian words that one analyst believed at the time referred to the FBI and the CIA or more broadly to the intelligence communities.
00:15:29.000So this is a huge, and basically another analyst caveating in that it was speculation said that perhaps the phrase special services in this context could refer to Trump dossier author Christopher Steele, who, according to media reports and Steele's own testimony in UK legal proceedings, formerly worked as an intelligence professional for the British government.
00:15:53.000So they knew that there was coordination between the Hillary Clinton campaign and special services, i.e., Christopher Steele.
00:16:08.000So let's sum this all up really quick.
00:16:11.000And I think it's important because there is a lot to track here, but it's easy to kind of figure it out.
00:16:18.000So Chuck Grassley, I'm going to recap, releases these documents, declassifies them.
00:16:33.000The Clinton campaign's plan was to use or possibly coordinate with the Obama FBI to accelerate the narrative and leak it into U.S. press outlets.
00:16:43.000The FBI placed thousands of relevant documents in burn bags for destruction, and then Cash Patel found them in a secret room at the FBI.
00:16:54.000Hillary Clinton approved of that plan to concoct a Donald Trump colluding with Russia narrative.
00:17:00.000She personally did it in order to distract the public from her email server.
00:17:05.000The original DNI report that we now know from Tulsi Gabbard from late 2016 rightly said that Russia didn't favor Trump and didn't work to elect Trump, even holding back damaging intel on Hillary.
00:17:19.000Obama nevertheless ordered a new assessment that said Russia did.
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00:20:10.000We're all hundreds of people and no one's getting told anything about what's going on about whether or not we're all dead or not.
00:20:16.000I'm so glad you're that we really did need a post-mortem for that because we were looking at the reports too, you know, praying for Hawaii, all this stuff.
00:20:24.000And then I woke up in the morning and, you know, there was nothing.
00:21:22.000And I want you to just, I mean, as somebody who's been in this space for a long time, understands the history of hoaxes and political scandals, where do you rank this?
00:21:37.000So I thinking about ranking it, it's funny you asked that because I was thinking about the same thing because you guys have been kind enough to talk about my forthcoming book, Breaking the Law, which is out next week.
00:21:46.000And hopefully we'll talk more about it, which I regard the Biden White House coordinated lawfare against Trump to try to rig an election to be the greatest hoax of all time, or at least of the century.
00:23:27.000So, Alex, from a media perspective, and I love the way Turley, I spent a lot of time going through Jonathan Turley this morning, but he basically says the reason that they are not, the media will not cover this story, the new revelation, is because it's not so much reporting as a confession.
00:23:46.000That they would have to own up to the fact that they were either Patsies or co-conspirators in one of the greatest political hoaxes of all time.
00:23:55.000And they're not just not simply not willing to eat crow that much and do it.
00:23:58.000What's your take on the media coverage or lack thereof from this?
00:24:03.000This is a huge problem with the media.
00:24:05.000And he's correct to identify this because you can apply this to any number of major media stories where the establishment gets it wrong initially.
00:24:13.000Is that they get cognitive dissonance that how could I have been wrong?
00:24:20.000They all think of themselves that way.
00:24:22.000And then when they get one wrong, their instinct isn't to be, well, let me correct this quickly so I can restore credibility.
00:24:29.000It's no, how do I rearrange the facts?
00:24:33.000And how do I concoct a narrative to get to some answer that I was actually right?
00:24:38.000And you'll see this a lot, even with some people that you like in conservative media.
00:24:42.000We saw this a bit after some of the people who had warned against the worst case scenarios for the Iran attack then announced that they were correct afterwards when they weren't correct in their assessment.
00:24:52.000And some of these people are my friends.
00:25:28.000And we're still learning how the say in, we're now seven years afterwards, eight years after, and we're still learning that there's nothing connecting Trump in Russia.
00:25:38.000This should have been completely over with after the Mueller report.
00:26:20.000You know, you could argue it from five different ways, but potentially the Supreme Court ruling on presidential immunity is going to shield him in this instance.
00:26:31.000What I do think is possible is potentially getting Brennan, maybe Comey, Clapper, but Brennan for sure.
00:26:39.000But the question is: will any of these investigations result in accountability, Alex, if the mainstream U.S. media that is consumed rapidly within the DC corridor, the Hasella corridor, if they do not get on board, if they do not put their stamp of approval that there is something dramatically wrong and sinister that happened here?
00:27:04.000And if we, you know, if you can't, if they're, if this isn't a smoking gun, I don't know what it is, but they're still writing op-eds.
00:27:11.000I mean, Comey, or actually, it was Clapper and Brennan wrote an op-ed in the New York Times denying it all.
00:27:17.000And they're setting the record straight.
00:27:18.000So they still think that they can lever the media in the U.S. to sort of be their smokescreen and protect them from accountability here.
00:27:27.000Alex, if we don't have that, has the media landscape changed enough that it simply no longer matters?
00:27:33.000If the DC media elite do not get on board with what really happened here, can we still get accountability?
00:27:39.000Yeah, this is the big question for lawmakers, is the big question for the conservative legal apparatus: is what pressure can we bring?
00:27:48.000What investigations need to take place?
00:27:50.000And can we actually get some perp walks?
00:27:53.000I will tell you that my audience at Breitbart, vast audience, we're the biggest outlet on social media other than maybe Fox.
00:27:59.000And we've got, I think, 1% of their budget.
00:28:02.000And I will tell you that there's a real cynicism in the audience that anyone will actually be held to account.
00:28:08.000And that the best case scenario is simply that we fire people up, we get the word out so that we make sure that these people are never elected again.
00:28:16.000And I feel like I'm holding out some hope that maybe with the Trump government, with Tulsi Gabbard, with some of these leaders that we have now, that there is a sense of justice that needs to take place.
00:28:30.000And maybe they will dazzle us with something.
00:28:32.000But I have grown so, my expectations are so low at this point that anyone gets held accountable for past crimes.
00:28:39.000And maybe our best case scenario is simply to win every single election going forward.
00:28:44.000Yeah, I mean, their utter defeat would be a sweet, sweet vengeance here.
00:28:57.000You started this by saying actually Joe Biden's crimes against Trump and all the lawfare that Trump survived actually was the greater political scandal.
00:29:06.000I just think it's amazing that we're still sorting through.
00:29:10.000I think it's important that we do look back and we do bring accountability and justice to what happened.
00:29:16.000Because at a minimum, we need to have a full understanding of this atrocity.
00:29:21.000And if we can't send Brennan to jail, at least we can make him die in disgrace.
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00:30:49.000I really want the grassroots behind this thing because we just survived one of the biggest political scandals of modern times in America, and we're just playing it entirely too cool.
00:31:00.000It was the Joe Biden White House attempted to jail and bankrupt Donald Trump by any means possible.
00:31:37.000I lay it out all out in the book, but this is a most blatant election rigging we've ever seen in this country.
00:31:43.000We're trying to have a major political party, the one in power, trying to destroy and defeat the other party, not by the ballot box, not with ideas, not with anything remotely resembling democracy, but by using lawfare to try to torture and ultimately jail and bankrupt not just President Trump, but all of his supporters as well to try to cut out his grassroots, to jail people like you, people in this audience.
00:32:29.000Let's destroy the New York Times list and make them cry tears of sadness and all the things.
00:32:36.000So, Alex, you started our conversation off by saying that you think that the Russia hoax was probably the second greatest hoax in modern American political history.
00:32:49.000You think what Joe Biden and the coordination from the top to bring down President Trump after between 2020 and 2024 was actually more egregious and more destructive.
00:33:07.000The Russia hoax was obviously a huge deal because Trump was duly elected and they tried to nullify the election by using the Russia hoax conspiracy to try to tie him up and to waste his time.
00:33:18.000But ultimately, Trump was able to govern.
00:33:20.000He was able to get his footing and to have a full administration.
00:33:23.000But the whole point of the law fair was to make it so that he couldn't be president at all, to make it so that he's bankrupted and to make it so that he has no movement behind him because it would be too expensive and potentially illegal just to be a part of his inner circle.
00:33:36.000Think of all the people who went to jail for political purposes, from Steve Bannon to Peter Navarro to Michael Flynn, all these people who were jailed specifically because they were Trump associates, all of the J6 prisoners, the overcharging of all of them, one after the next.
00:33:50.000It's all part of this lawfare superstructure that is designed not to bring law and order to this country.
00:34:30.000The superstructure is in place, and they will try to rig the next election and the next one and the next one unless we stop them.
00:34:36.000It starts with full accountability, investigations, heads need to roll, but then we need to get to work to getting ready to make sure that our margins are even greater next election so that they can never get any more power.
00:34:47.000Yeah, you know, it's something that we say so often, Alex, that it almost feels like a cliche at this point that, you know, Trump was the only one that could have survived this.
00:34:56.000And, you know, it's hard when you see it from this vantage point.
00:35:01.000I mean, we spent the first half hour of this show examining what we just learned from the Durham Annex, that this was concocted by Hillary Clinton, laundered the steel dossier into the intelligence community, into the U.S. press, launches.
00:35:16.000I mean, it robbed so much, so much of his first term.
00:35:27.000You could argue they stole how much of his own money, time, treasure with in the, you know, they tried to throw him into jail for 700 years in federal prison.
00:35:38.000It's hard not to think about this in sort of providential terms and sort of, I mean, and I do.
00:35:45.000I think that became clear in Butler, Pennsylvania last year, which is that clearly there was divine intervention and God is looking out for President Trump and looking out for this country.
00:35:53.000I think that's without question at this point.
00:35:55.000Anyone who doubts is a fool in my mind.
00:35:57.000But that doesn't mean that we can rest on our laurels.
00:36:00.000We still need to hold the people accountable who tried to bring all of these injustices.
00:36:04.000Alex, this is a key point because sometimes I'll hear and in the group chats like, oh, we're just looking backwards.
00:36:11.000I mean, yeah, we can, you know, walk and chew gum at the same time here.
00:36:14.000We can hold these people accountable because if we don't, they're going to do it again.
00:36:19.000Alex, I think you are absolutely spot on that the Democrat establishment in D.C. became so used to acting with impunity that they believed that they could run roughshod over the Constitution, over the rule of law, and they could do it and get away with it because they basically did.
00:36:35.000Had the strength of this movement, the strength of alternative media, podcasts like the Charlie Kirk show and others, your show, Alex, Breitbart, we would not have survived this.
00:36:45.000Thank God we had Donald Trump that was willing to carry that burden and to push through for whatever reason, but thank God for it.
00:36:52.000But we have to have accountability and we have to govern at the same time.
00:37:01.000I always think of Steve when we have these conversations, but stay in a wartime footing.
00:37:05.000We have to be fired up to win every single time, every single election, and make sure the best people win our primaries.
00:37:12.000But we also need to put heavy pressure on legislators, law enforcement to be able to investigate these people and serve justice.
00:37:19.000Justice has not been done for Donald Trump and for his supporters who've been jailed and harassed and been deprived of what they earned with our allegedly Democratic elections.
00:37:28.000Well said, Alex Marlow, author of Breaking the Law, Get It.