The Charlie Kirk Show - May 11, 2021


Everything You Need to Know About What's Going On in Israel with Michael Knowles

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exploding violence in Israel East Jerusalem evictions and protests German Catholic Bishop and same-sex marriage
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The Daily Wire's Michael Knowles joins us on The Charlie Kirk Show to talk about a 25-year-old who had a baby and wrote about it in the New York Times, and liberal minds exploded across the social media sphere. We also talk about the exploding violence in Israel, what started it, and what's the U.S. role in the region.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:03.000 This is Andrew Colvett filling in for Charlie.
00:00:05.000 He's still on a much deserved, much needed vacation.
00:00:08.000 We forced him out.
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00:00:14.000 Nevertheless, we're here filling in the gaps and having a blast doing it.
00:00:19.000 Today, we welcomed Michael Knowles to the show, friend of the show, a friend of Turning Point USA, a great guy over at Daily Wire.
00:00:27.000 We talked about a 25-year-old who had a child and wrote about it in the New York Times.
00:00:32.000 I know, shocking, and liberal minds exploded across the Twitter sphere. 0.86
00:00:37.000 We also talked about the German Catholic Church that's apparently all good with LGBT weddings.
00:00:44.000 And we talked about the exploding violence in Israel, what to make of it.
00:00:48.000 We talked about how it started and what's the U.S.'s role in the region.
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00:02:38.000 Hello, everybody.
00:02:39.000 Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:41.000 I am joined by the one, the only Michael Knowles, The Daily Wire.
00:02:45.000 He's got a great podcast.
00:02:47.000 We encourage you guys to go check it out.
00:02:49.000 It's got a new book coming out that we're going to talk about a little bit later, but I will just, you know, let you know the title here.
00:02:54.000 It comes out June 22nd.
00:02:56.000 It's called Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds.
00:02:59.000 It feels very relevant, but I'm going to put you, I'm not going to let us dive into it just yet because we had stuff to talk about.
00:03:06.000 There's Israel and Hamas, all of this that's going on in the Middle East.
00:03:13.000 Obviously, that is the, you know, the cover story of most of the news that you're seeing.
00:03:18.000 If you are looking at the nightly news, the daily news, make sense of it for us, Michael.
00:03:23.000 There's a lot of confusion.
00:03:25.000 How did this start?
00:03:26.000 Where are we going?
00:03:27.000 Who's to blame?
00:03:28.000 What's the squad up to?
00:03:30.000 You're asking me to sum up the crisis in the Middle East, the conflict in the Middle East.
00:03:36.000 You've got two minutes.
00:03:38.000 So, yes.
00:03:39.000 So let's see.
00:03:41.000 I'll try to sum this up all in about 30 seconds.
00:03:44.000 So, you know, a long time ago, there were these two peoples that didn't like each other very much.
00:03:49.000 And then you had several millennia of history occur.
00:03:53.000 And so now what's going on is you've seen another outburst of violence.
00:03:56.000 I think that the story here on what's going on in Israel is not so much the story that you're reading in the newspapers.
00:04:05.000 The story you're reading in the newspapers is this issue of the Palestinian Arabs and the Israelis and an outburst of violence and a possible building of settlements and evicting people in East Jerusalem. 0.88
00:04:16.000 And okay, fine.
00:04:18.000 The broader question is, what is going on in the Middle East, writ large?
00:04:23.000 What we were told under the Obama administration, we were told by John Kerry when he was Secretary of State, is that you absolutely could not solve problems in the Middle East without first addressing the Palestinian issue.
00:04:34.000 And he said, it's just not going to happen.
00:04:36.000 There's no way to do it.
00:04:37.000 And then Trump comes in, and what does he do?
00:04:39.000 He says, I'm not going to deal with the Palestinian issue.
00:04:41.000 That's a total stalemate. 0.92
00:04:42.000 There's no win there. 1.00
00:04:43.000 So I'm going to focus on other Arab states in the region. 1.00
00:04:47.000 And guess what happens?
00:04:48.000 Trump signs a record number of peace deals with Israel, things that would have been thought absolutely impossible even just a couple of years before.
00:04:57.000 So yes, what's going on here?
00:04:59.000 If I were a Palestinian Arab being evicted from East Jerusalem, I guess I would be pretty angry too.
00:05:05.000 But then again, I probably wouldn't elect Hamas.
00:05:08.000 And so obviously, you know, elections have consequences, as we like to say. 0.94
00:05:12.000 And when you have people in Palestine, the images are seared into my mind. 0.90
00:05:17.000 People in the Palestinian territories, it's not a state, it's not a country, but these Palestinian Arabs celebrating a 9-11 enchanting death to America. 0.95
00:05:26.000 Well, then don't be surprised when the United States is not going to back your pleas to create a brand new nation state. 1.00
00:05:33.000 It's just not going to happen.
00:05:35.000 Meanwhile, Israel has been, generally speaking, a very good ally of ours.
00:05:40.000 And so I just don't see any reason to create another state that will be run by very nefarious organizations that are hostile to the United States.
00:05:48.000 When we talk about an America-first foreign policy, by the way, you know, a lot of people think this means totally retreating from the world stage.
00:05:55.000 I think what it really means is pursuing a diplomacy that is in the American interest. 0.61
00:06:01.000 And I just don't see how it is in the American interest to back the creation of some new Palestinian nation state.
00:06:08.000 Trump showed you you don't have to do it to solve other problems in the region.
00:06:11.000 Well, I love where your head's at on this because it's actually a really, I think, confusing topic for a lot of people because they're saying, where does it start?
00:06:19.000 Who sparked this most recent conflict?
00:06:22.000 And I think the point you're making is that it doesn't really matter.
00:06:26.000 You got to go one step further.
00:06:27.000 And what we saw after the election of Joe Biden, much to all of our chagrin here, was a changing in the calculus on the part of the Palestinians.
00:06:37.000 They understood that their leverage points had shifted.
00:06:39.000 They understood that power in Washington had different affiliations, different strategies within the region. 0.66
00:06:45.000 And they understood that just as John Kerry had always said, if you don't deal with this Palestinian, this two-state issue, right, that everybody's been pursuing, that we're not going to have peace. 0.85
00:06:55.000 The Palestinians are seizing upon that. 0.72
00:06:57.000 There's been, you know, a lot of the stories I was reading is that a lot of people keep asking, where did this renewed fervor in East Jerusalem come from?
00:07:04.000 Because these protests have been going on for decades, and nobody paid attention.
00:07:07.000 They were looked at as little neighborhood protests, and they were dotted all around Israel, you know, and they just didn't gain traction.
00:07:15.000 All of a sudden, this protest in East Jerusalem gained sort of pan-Palestinian traction from Gaza to the West Bank, and it became a rallying cry, which is what sparked this most recent bout of violence.
00:07:29.000 Now, it seems as though the Democrats have completely picked their side.
00:07:34.000 You've got Rashida Talib, Ilhan Omar, all the usual suspects accusing Israel of ethnic cleansing because of these evictions in East Jerusalem, which is a case that's been going on for decades, actually.
00:07:48.000 But you have Andrew Yang conspicuously out on the fringe of his party running for mayor of New York City.
00:07:56.000 What's your take on Andrew Yang?
00:07:57.000 What's your take on the Democrats abandoning Israel?
00:08:00.000 What's going on?
00:08:01.000 Andrew Yang has made his whole shtick that he's the third way.
00:08:05.000 You know, he's going to try to appeal in some way to Republican voters and break with the Democratic Party line.
00:08:11.000 It never worked on me.
00:08:12.000 I was never particularly supportive of Andrew Yang.
00:08:14.000 I think he's politically naive at best and at worst, really optimistic in the worst way.
00:08:21.000 And he supports things very famously like the universal basic income, which is absolute poison.
00:08:26.000 It would be death to the country.
00:08:27.000 So I'm glad that I guess he's on the right side of this issue, but he does not interest me as a sort of candidate that I would support.
00:08:34.000 Whereas there are other Democrats who have made overtures to Republicans, people like Tulsi Gabbard, for instance, who I might say, actually, she's worth another look.
00:08:42.000 Or Kirsten Cinema or Joe Manchin have held the line in the Senate.
00:08:46.000 So I think they're worth looking at.
00:08:48.000 Andrew Yang, not so much.
00:08:50.000 You're seeing just the two sides in this country taking two sides in foreign policy.
00:08:56.000 So the Republicans were interested in using our relationship with Saudi Arabia to end our relationship with Israel to try to create peace in the Middle East and to oppose Iran. 0.62
00:09:07.000 The Democrats, what do the Democrats want to do? 0.83
00:09:09.000 They want to snuggle up to Iran.
00:09:11.000 I think that John Kerry and his wonderful friend Javad, the foreign minister in Iran, basically go on moonlit strolls when they're together in the middle of Tehran.
00:09:22.000 So, you know, that was obviously their foreign policy.
00:09:25.000 And then what happens?
00:09:26.000 Trump comes in and kills their top general, Qassem Suleimani.
00:09:29.000 Now we're back at it again, trying to resurrect some version of the Iran deal.
00:09:33.000 And this creates reverberations throughout the Middle East, and then it becomes focused in this Israel-Palestine conflict.
00:09:41.000 But the one thing I do know, and I think this is true of the vast majority of Americans, is we don't really care that much.
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00:11:41.000 Well, I love that take, Michael.
00:11:43.000 I love that we don't, and I think you're absolutely right.
00:11:45.000 I mean, there has been some news agencies leading with the Israel story, but not everybody.
00:11:51.000 I mean, it's really hit and miss.
00:11:52.000 And it was actually very difficult to get to the bottom of what's happening here.
00:11:55.000 I did a lot of research last night because this was the first time we've even talked about it on the show.
00:12:00.000 And I haven't heard anybody, you know, in our emails or whatever be upset about that.
00:12:04.000 But speaking of people who have had historical conflicts with the Jewish people, we now turn our sights to Germany and the German Catholics.
00:12:13.000 Michael, you are a Catholic.
00:12:15.000 We've had, especially between you and Charlie, we've had some great little back and forth about the Catholic-Protestant divide debate that's been raging for centuries.
00:12:25.000 German Catholic priests bless same-sex unions.
00:12:30.000 Congratulations.
00:12:31.000 I think this is your faith tradition.
00:12:34.000 Actually, I was, by the way, I was baptized Catholic.
00:12:36.000 I was born Catholic.
00:12:38.000 So I share a piece of this, and I'm rolling my eyes as well.
00:12:41.000 What's going on in Germany?
00:12:42.000 So we will get you back eventually.
00:12:44.000 Don't worry, Andrew.
00:12:45.000 We will do it.
00:12:46.000 And it's funny because you're talking about the Protestant-Catholic split.
00:12:51.000 That's a relatively young split.
00:12:52.000 If we're talking about the problems in the Middle East, 500 years, that's nothing, baby.
00:12:56.000 That's the blink of an eye. 1.00
00:12:58.000 What's going on here is, I'll actually throw it back at you and my Protestant friends.
00:13:03.000 Germany, yet again, you know, it starts with Martin Luther and then it goes on to these German bishops today.
00:13:09.000 They're always causing trouble.
00:13:11.000 And the German bishops have engaged in, I suppose, outright heresy, haven't they?
00:13:17.000 What you see is a resistance.
00:13:19.000 The Holy Father, Pope Francis, who has broadly been interpreted to be rather liberal, rather left-wing in his pontificate, just a bit, made a clear statement.
00:13:29.000 The Vatican has been very clear on this.
00:13:31.000 There is no such thing as same-sex marriage.
00:13:33.000 Marriage involves sexual difference, and you can't do it, and there's just no way to redefine it.
00:13:37.000 And sorry, folks.
00:13:39.000 I believe the line from the Vatican is that God cannot bless sin.
00:13:43.000 And these German bishops are very upset about this because they want a more liberal read heretical Christianity.
00:13:53.000 And it's the German bishops and the American bishops have dealt with this.
00:13:56.000 The one thing I will say, though, getting back to our little squabbles about Protestantism and Catholicism, is that the church has dealt with a whole lot of heresies over the years.
00:14:05.000 We've had the Arian heresy, very famously when St. Nicholas Santa Claus punched Arius in the face at the Council of Nicaea.
00:14:12.000 We have had the Pelagian heresy.
00:14:13.000 We have had the Albigensian heresy.
00:14:16.000 We have had heresy upon heresy upon heresy.
00:14:19.000 And this is why it's very important for the Vatican to be clear in what she says.
00:14:24.000 I was so pleased that in a very confusing pontificate, Pope Francis has been at least clear in this regard on the question of marriage.
00:14:32.000 And if the German bishops don't want to get in line, then there must be consequences.
00:14:36.000 Yeah, I think that's really interesting.
00:14:37.000 It almost seems like with the Catholic Church, we're seeing the equivalent of what we've seen in the United States with like sanctuary cities defying federal law or states saying, you know, legalizing marijuana, even though it's still federally illegal.
00:14:51.000 It's, you know, these outposts that have their own rules, it creates tensions within these big bureaucracies, which is another reason why I love being Protestant, because, you know, my local church just follows the Bible, and it's great.
00:15:58.000 There's a story in the New York Times of Elizabeth Brunig.
00:16:03.000 She had a baby at 25 years old living in D.C.
00:16:07.000 This has caused heads to explode.
00:16:09.000 She published an op-ed in the New York Times saying, hey, it's actually good to have babies a little bit younger than, you know, 40.
00:16:16.000 Your take.
00:16:17.000 I was so pleased to see this.
00:16:19.000 I can't believe it slipped through the cracks at the New York Times, but it's obviously true.
00:16:23.000 I just became a father about three, four months ago.
00:16:26.000 And, you know, I'm not over the hill, but by earlier ages, I'm an old parent, you know, at the age of 31.
00:16:35.000 People used to have kids a lot younger.
00:16:36.000 Right now, people are getting married at very low rates.
00:16:40.000 This is the lowest marriage rate ever recorded in American history.
00:16:43.000 They're having kids at below replacement levels.
00:16:45.000 It's been below replacement since 1971, and it's now dropped to all-time lows.
00:16:49.000 It's a dying country.
00:16:51.000 Now, she touts a bit of sort of Nordic ideas about socialism and welfare.
00:16:58.000 We can sort of skip past that.
00:17:00.000 But one of the parts I found really fascinating, and I'm sorry I had to cut you off, Michael, but she says, being young or young enough still not to know yourself entirely and then feeling the foundation of your nascent selfhood shift beneath you, perhaps that's exactly the sort of momentous change that makes the whole enterprise so daunting.
00:17:16.000 Yet there I've given up the game.
00:17:18.000 With the exception of perhaps a few immutable characteristics, you are not something you discover one day through trial and error and interior spelunking.
00:17:26.000 You are something that is constantly in the process of becoming.
00:17:30.000 Now, the point that she's making is a lot of people put off having a child because it's daunting.
00:17:34.000 They don't feel like they know themselves yet.
00:17:36.000 It's expensive, whatever.
00:17:38.000 She has a child.
00:17:39.000 She looks into the child's eyes and she says, there I am.
00:17:42.000 It's a really beautiful piece.
00:17:43.000 And it's amazing to me that heads are exploding about it.
00:17:47.000 Now, you're a recent father.
00:17:49.000 Has that been your experience?
00:17:50.000 You found yourself in fatherhood, or are you just completely exhausted and terrified?
00:17:55.000 Well, you can judge by the under-eye beds.
00:17:58.000 Yes, I look exhausted.
00:18:00.000 I feel exhausted, and I've never felt better in my whole life.
00:18:02.000 By an act of cosmic sadism or divine providence, my book, my upcoming book, Speechless, which is my first one with words, and my baby were both due into the world on the same day, and they both came on time.
00:18:16.000 And I kid you not, I'm sitting in the delivery room.
00:18:18.000 I'm never going to live this down. 1.00
00:18:19.000 And I'm finishing up the citations on my book as my poor wife is pushing out my son.
00:18:25.000 And so I'm sitting there.
00:18:26.000 The nurses are thinking that I'm the most callous husband in the world.
00:18:30.000 And I finish the book, and my baby comes out, and I realize the minute I look at the baby that my book doesn't really matter that much.
00:18:36.000 I mean, I think it matters.
00:18:37.000 I think it's a good book and an important book in terms of politics.
00:18:41.000 But all that's mattering to me in that moment and really in the scheme of my life is going to be that baby. 0.93
00:18:46.000 And what Elizabeth hits on so well in the Times is this Gnostic temptation we have right now.
00:18:52.000 In this culture, we have this temptation to think that everything can be digital.
00:18:56.000 Everything can be virtual.
00:18:58.000 I don't really need to do anything.
00:19:00.000 Actually, this is sort of the topic of my book.
00:19:02.000 The shift of political correctness, of wokeism, is that it replaces the old moral code with new speech codes.
00:19:09.000 So it doesn't really matter what you do.
00:19:11.000 It just matters what you say.
00:19:12.000 Even the idea now that Caitlin Jenner can become a woman, it doesn't matter what he is.
00:19:17.000 It doesn't matter what he looks like.
00:19:18.000 It just matters what he says.
00:19:19.000 And what Elizabeth is saying is, no, you got to do stuff.
00:19:22.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:19:23.000 And again, that book is called Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds.
00:19:27.000 It comes out in June.
00:19:28.000 But guys, you can go buy it now, pre-order.
00:19:30.000 You can get a signed copy over at Premier Collectibles.
00:19:33.000 They're friends of ours as well.
00:19:34.000 I know the folks over there.
00:19:36.000 They're great people.
00:19:36.000 Michael, tell us a little bit about your book, why you wrote it.
00:19:40.000 I know your child is more important than the book and all that stuff.
00:19:44.000 That's fine.
00:19:44.000 Okay.
00:19:44.000 But I actually totally agree with you, by the way, as an aside.
00:19:47.000 I think half the reason our young people are losing their darn minds is because they're not having kids early enough and they're just prolonged in their selfishness. 0.96
00:19:55.000 But that's a whole other topic. 0.98
00:19:56.000 Tell us about your book.
00:19:58.000 Why'd you write it?
00:19:59.000 Why do we need to buy it?
00:20:00.000 And we do need to buy it.
00:20:01.000 Yes, my kid is more important than the book, but I'm not yet selling the kid unless you offer me a really good price.
00:20:08.000 And then I guess we have a lot of businessmen here, okay?
00:20:11.000 So the book is a history of political correctness for 100 years.
00:20:16.000 And one thing I discovered while I was writing it is that I think we on the right like to pride ourselves on thinking we understand free speech and the American speech tradition way better than the left does, you know.
00:20:27.000 But we don't, actually.
00:20:28.000 Actually, the left understands it way better.
00:20:30.000 That's why they're so successful in politics.
00:20:35.000 And what they've done, this is so brilliant.
00:20:37.000 They have laid a trap for conservatives in political correctness or wokeism or whatever you want to call it, which is either way that we respond to it, we lose.
00:20:46.000 Either we can be a squish, you know, and just go along and call Caitlin a she and, you know, just accept their new ridiculous premises and their redefinitions.
00:20:53.000 Obviously, that advances what they want. 0.97
00:20:55.000 Or this is what a lot of other conservatives do.
00:20:58.000 We say, hey, I'm a free speech absolutist.
00:21:01.000 Hey, you do whatever you want.
00:21:04.000 I think freedom means just do whatever you want at any given time.
00:21:07.000 But the whole point of political correctness is to destroy the old standards, to destroy the old way of life.
00:21:13.000 So whether you adopt their new standard or you just eschew standards entirely, either way, you've advanced political correctness.
00:21:18.000 And I think this is why we seem to lose the more we fight back.
00:21:22.000 And that's why we need a new approach.
00:21:25.000 Well, I commend you for your effort, Michael.
00:21:27.000 You are one of the ambassadors of free speech.
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