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00:03:16.000Well, so, Doctor, we are connected by my very good friend, Tom, and he is a big fan of your work.
00:03:21.000And it is a perfect opportunity to have you on for this entire hour because of the viral clip that Tucker Carlson had on the Joe Rogan podcast.
00:03:32.000It's Cut 76 to lay the foundation for our discussion here because now we have tens of millions of people questioning Darwin, questioning what they have been taught in school, which I think is a terrific thing.
00:03:51.000Necessarily that we don't think people are important, but if evolution is real and if there is this constant, I don't know, but it's visible.
00:04:01.000Like you can measure it in certain animals.
00:04:15.000Well, in the most basic sense, the idea that, you know, all life emerged from a single cell organism and over time, and there would be a fossil record of that, and there's not.
00:04:25.000There's not a fossil record of transitionary species, like species that are adapting to its environment.
00:04:32.000There's tons of record of adaptation, and you see it in your own life.
00:05:02.000God created people, you know, distinctly.
00:05:05.000Doctor, your reaction to that dialogue is Tucker Carlson correct.
00:05:11.000Yes, Tucker Carlson is totally on target.
00:05:14.000And even though some people will, after the interview, were saying he's somewhat irrational, actually, he's presenting the scientific case, which really out there in the science.
00:05:24.000When he says there's no transitional forms, you know, I suppose he's meaning there's no undisputed transitional forms.
00:05:31.000When he says there's really no good evidence that we evolve from a single-cell organism over time, he's really summing it up very, very well.
00:05:43.000Traditionally, the evolution argument based on Darwin's hypothesis is that there is evolutionary and species change over long periods of time.
00:05:54.000Tucker said that we can observe adaptation.
00:05:58.000For example, that if you are in a colder climate or a warmer climate and you're a bird, you might have slight adjustments or slight changes.
00:06:06.000What is the difference between adaptation and evolution?
00:06:10.000There's a huge difference between that.
00:06:12.000And Tucker was trying to really lay that out.
00:06:15.000Adaptation is the ability of a species to really modify itself.
00:06:19.000It's a highly engineered, highly regulated mechanism that is within organisms that spans everything from, you know, very rapid physiological changes that we have to acclimate, you know, how we acclimatize to things.
00:06:33.000Like you just mentioned, you might go to a cold climate and acclimate to that or to a high altitude and acclimate to that.
00:06:40.000But then also organisms are able to sense what's in their environment and adjust to that.
00:06:45.000It's an internal thing, not an external thing.
00:06:48.000And increasing evidence indicates that they're able to pass on a lot of that information to their offspring so that offspring are actually born into their environment already adapted to that.
00:07:00.000And adaptation means you're fitting your traits to specific environmental challenges and you're able to solve those kinds of challenges there.
00:07:08.000Evolution, to really nail it down and what everybody's really talking about, what the argument is really over is not over the fact that organisms change.
00:07:18.000Everybody knows that, but it's whether the theory says that we actually descend that all of life, all of the diversity of life on Earth came from a single-celled organism that was fractioned out over time as they reproduced through terrible struggles to survive and that the fittest lived passing on their genes which fit them to their environments,
00:07:42.000which slowly, slowly led to the diversity of life on Earth as they became fit to their environments.
00:07:49.000And so evolutionary theory is really supposed to explain, one, why organisms look so incredibly designed, but didn't need a designer.
00:07:58.000And two, the diversity of life on earth, not just simply adaptation.
00:08:05.000Supposed to explain design, and it's supposed to explain the diversity of life on earth.
00:08:10.000And that's what evolutionary theory is in.
00:08:12.000And that's what the disagreement is over: whether, one, the theory can actually do that.
00:08:16.000And two, whether there's any evidence that any of that actually happened.
00:08:34.000And it's really faith in a type of religious faith because you're holding faith for information that's going to be coming long after you're dead.
00:08:43.000Nobody is seeing this information coming right now.
00:08:46.000And so you're holding it by faith that if it's not here, it will be here.
00:08:51.000And really what Tucker could have said, but I suppose he's not really up to speed on some of the details of this argument.
00:08:57.000He could have said first, there's not a scientific paper published anywhere, anywhere on the planet, none, zero, to use his words, that shows a natural origin of life.
00:09:08.000So if evolution is true, you got to get life going naturally without God.
00:09:26.000So if somebody is out there and they have those papers, they can send them to me at the Institute for Creation Research and I'll change my story.
00:09:33.000But the reality is there's not a scientific paper published anywhere.
00:09:37.000And that's why in Tucker's vernacular, he can say none, zero, no real evidence of that.
00:09:44.000Evidence of change, but faith, always by faith, that one creature can change into a fundamentally different kind of creature.
00:10:07.000Well, because it's supposed to explain why organisms look so incredibly designed without a designer.
00:10:16.000You know, before Darwin, when people would see creatures and they would see their ability to fly and fish fit the water so well, and then even as anatomy took over and you, you're able to see just incredible detail and fit of so many parts of systems together.
00:10:32.000They clearly, clearly indicate that they were highly engineered.
00:10:36.000And before Darwin, that was the default assumption that creatures looked engineers because they were engineered and they were engineered by one who has knowledge and abilities far above us, that person being God.
00:10:49.000Darwin came along and through his mechanism, his selectionist mechanism, he supposedly cracked the nut on how you can get organisms to look design without a designer.
00:11:02.000Therefore, according to his theory, he doesn't really come out and say there is no God, but his theory says God is essentially irrelevant.
00:11:10.000Nature can do what God could do all by itself, and therefore there is no need of a God to explain the design of creatures.
00:11:18.000That's why it is so highly embraced, because it supposedly explains this design without a designer.
00:11:26.000I think there's some truth to that because I think that some people are actual devotees to the evolutionary argument.
00:11:32.000And I asked some of my scientific friends, some of which are Christians or not, to send in the questions they would ask you.
00:11:38.000So I'm going to ask you some of them throughout the hour, Doctor, so you're going to be a good sport because I'm far from an expert on this, but I am a believer in, obviously, intelligent design and all the stuff you're doing.
00:11:47.000But I want we're going to go through some of the questions that people have, both that from a Christian evolutionary perspective, which I bet you deal with, and a non-Christian evolutionary perspective.
00:11:57.000And I think it will be very helpful for our audience to be able to understand that and to be able to see how you navigate it.
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00:13:16.000So, Doctor, I want to ask one of these questions here.
00:13:19.000What do you have to say for a Christian or a religious person who says God created the single-cell organism or something of that case, and that evolution was shepherded with God's hand, that evolution was God's plan for humanity to go through this process?
00:13:41.000Well, I hear that a lot, and that is a typical response to things.
00:13:46.000And I suppose the reason why people are saying that is because they believe that the case for evolution has been made and that it's sound and that they don't want to go against the science.
00:13:57.000And therefore, they think the case revolution is settled, but it really isn't settled.
00:14:03.000So I would respond by saying you really don't have to go along with the case revolution because there is really not good solid scientific evidence for it.
00:14:10.000Number two, really, there's no difference between the atheistic evolutionary scenario and the theistic evolutionary scenario.
00:14:18.000They're both looking at it from the same mechanisms.
00:14:21.000They think things go from a single-celled organism and advance through struggles to survive life and death.
00:14:40.000So you're basically committing a type of spiritual suicide by buying into the mechanisms in the process, which are fundamentally atheistic and anti-theistic at their very core.
00:14:54.000Three, it's not really scientific at all because these interventions of God that you're talking about to either start life and then supposedly intervene at different points of time cannot be identified scientifically.
00:15:11.000And so there's really no way to point out how God was doing any of this.
00:15:16.000And then four, it's completely against the biblical narrative.
00:15:19.000So if you're a Christian and the Bible is your authority in life, the Bible says that creatures and man and woman were directly created by God, not through a long process.
00:15:34.000And that it was an instantaneous creation.
00:15:36.000And the Bible says organisms reproduce faithfully after their kind, which is exactly what we see scientifically as well.
00:15:44.000And so you really start to make the Bible say whatever you want it to say, which goes down a terrible, slippery slope.
00:15:52.000And the Bible no longer becomes your authority, but the thinking of man becomes your authority.
00:15:57.000So there's lots of reasons why it makes no good sense scientifically and biblically to hold to these unidentifiable interventions by God to supposedly shuttle along the anti-design mechanism for the origin of life and for the design of life.
00:16:14.000So really quickly, Doctor, just what do you have to say to the claim that the evidence of common ancestry for organisms is immense?
00:16:25.000It's built on a lot of speculation and imagination.
00:16:30.000What we really see, we see major gaps between organisms.
00:16:36.000Life doesn't demonstrate that it is fundamentally continuous from one single-celled ancestor down over time.
00:16:44.000What you do find are common ancestors for each type of creature, such as common ancestors for horses and common ancestors for humans.
00:16:55.000And you can find huge variety within that particular kind of organism, and you can find different kinds of species of those all together.
00:17:05.000You can find that, but you don't find any direct evidence indicating that they are connected.
00:17:12.000For instance, you know, I've said there's a lot of circumstantial evidence that evolutionists would point to, and the biggest area is in genetics.
00:17:20.000And so they have, you know, two common arguments is that there's a lot of conserved genes between organisms.
00:17:26.000And then one of their strongest arguments is that humans and chimpanzees supposedly are 98 or 99% genetically identical.
00:17:34.000But both of those assertions have been really debunked in recent years.
00:17:40.000Everybody's known really for 20 years in terms of geneticists that we are not one to two percent different from our closest assumed ancestor, which are chimps.
00:17:50.000In fact, the latest genetic analysis shows that we're only 80% at best genetically similar.
00:17:56.000And if you look at chromosomes like the Y chromosomes between males, we're somewhere at 50% or less similar.
00:18:03.000So that assertion is completely debunked.
00:18:07.000And in addition, when you look over the 20 to 25,000 genes that humans supposedly have, depending on what number you take, there's at least 1,200 of those genes which are unique completely to humans with no ancestry whatsoever of them.
00:18:29.000And at least 10 to 20% of the genomes of all creatures that have been studied show this type of unique genetic history that is only unique to their kinds.
00:18:39.000So their strongest argument of genetics really, really falls apart under the weight of modern scientific analysis.
00:18:47.000So then, so doctor, I want to now ask, and again, some of these questions were sent in just for kind of argument's sake and for understanding and contextualizing the argument, which is some people would say, but if you believe human beings were created, how do you then navigate some of the evidence that suggests that the Earth is millions of years old?
00:19:11.000Well, there's actually those are two different issues altogether.
00:19:16.000You have an age of an earth issue, which is it's very, very important for evolutionary scenarios to work because they need long periods of time to overcome just tremendous improbabilities of things to happen.
00:19:28.000And in their view, if you give enough chances to pick a lottery ticket, eventually you're going to win one and you're going to get lucky.
00:19:35.000So they need these very, very long periods of time in order for their theory to work.
00:19:41.000But both scientifically and biblically, there are good evidences to reject that altogether.
00:19:46.000One, scientifically, we know that the radiometric dating methods that they use are inherently unreliable.
00:19:53.000And in fact, every time they've dated rocks of known ages, they come off with wildly, wildly incorrect ages.
00:20:01.000For instance, we had rocks enough that were dating Mount St. Helens 29 years after it erupted rocks that were just brand new, and they came back dated at millions of years old.
00:20:12.000And the same inconsistencies happen to a lot of times for radiometric dating in terms of carbon-14 and other dates on that.
00:20:22.000And so their best argument for that, radiometric dating, really, really falls apart.
00:20:28.000And then biblically, the Bible doesn't really give any indication that there are any long periods of time inserted into the Bible.
00:20:39.000If we look at Genesis as real actual history, real history, not mytho-history, not allegories or mythology, but real history, you cannot plug in millions of years of time into that narrative.
00:20:54.000And unless you want to take words out of their context, like when the Bible says there was evening and morning, day one, something that everybody on the planet has experienced in their life, sunrise, sunset, sunset, sunrise, and a particular day, unless you want to twist those words to mean something different, then you really can't get to an old age.
00:21:16.000And on top of that, even in the Ten Commandments, when the Lord gave us the command on how long you should work, He said, six days shall you work and rest on the seventh, for in six days he created and rested on the seventh.
00:21:28.000So there's great harm biblically, and there's no really good reason scientifically to hold to those old ages.
00:21:34.000And I would suggest that a much better way to interpret the rock record is through a worldwide flood.
00:21:46.000And that's what the power of a theory is supposed to do.
00:21:49.000So evolutionists and uniformitarians have their theory that over very, very long periods of time, the continents have moved and they've gone up and down and they've been slowly flooded.
00:22:00.000Most of the rocks, they think, were due to water deposition anyway.
00:22:04.000But over a very long period of time, they've been slowly placed.
00:22:09.000We would argue that a much better way to interpret the rock record, which fits, is that instead of those layers being placed over a very long period of time, they were placed in a one-year worldwide global event.
00:22:22.000Now, why would I say that's a better way to interpret it?
00:22:25.000Because when, so when you and I look at the rock record and we look at the layers on them, what do we see?
00:22:31.000You know, when we look at them, what do you see?
00:22:34.000You see layers stacked on top of each other, very, very flat, one on top of each other with no evidence of time, no evidence of erosion in between those layers, just bang, bang, bang.
00:22:45.000And when you see them bent, they're all bent together.
00:22:49.000We also see literally billions and billions of fossils buried in those layers.
00:22:56.000And we see very, very thick sedimentary layers, sometimes 15, 20, 30, almost 100 thick in layers all over the world.
00:23:06.000So what process would put flat layers stacked on top of each other, burying billions of fossils, very, very thick today?
00:23:16.000There aren't any processes doing anything like that today.
00:23:19.000There aren't any processes burying huge coal fields today.
00:23:23.000And on top of that, research that we've done at the Institute for Creation Research by looking at boreholes all over the world, we can demonstrate conclusively that you find some of the same layers in the exact same order on every single continent on the planet.
00:23:41.000Now, what mechanism would place those layers that way, but a worldwide flood?
00:23:46.000So, all the evidence that we look at from the rock record, holding radiometric dating aside, indicates that these layers were placed fast and through a violent mechanism, trapping all of those organisms and killing them suddenly in a process which is unlike anything that we observe on the planet today.
00:24:06.000A critic once said to me when I presented this argument that if a worldwide flood explains the recent history, how do we explain places like Madagascar that have thousands of species that only live there, a separate island off the coast of Africa?
00:24:20.000Yeah, that goes back, kind of circles back to our initial discussion on adaptation and speciation.
00:24:30.000In fact, you can find not just isolated groups of animals on these continents, on Madagascar, but you can find them on continents like Australia and the like.
00:24:40.000And nobody knows exactly from either an evolutionary perspective or totally from a creationary perspective exactly how you would explain that because nobody was there.
00:24:51.000But there are strong indications that the continents broke apart during the worldwide flood, separating them apart, but that there was lots of debris and things in the oceans.
00:25:02.000And so animals migrated to different places through land bridges, which were exposed at the time because the water levels were much lower at the time, and also probably through floating log mats and other things, of which when they landed at where they landed, because they were distinct and in small groups, they repopulated those areas, of course, with the organisms that were there,
00:25:26.000which would lead to a type of biological isolation from one another, and therefore you would end up with distinct creatures at particular locations.
00:25:36.000Can you speak to the improbability mathematically of evolution?
00:25:43.000This, I think, is one of the more compelling arguments.
00:25:45.000How improbable is it that the human being, especially, putting aside other animals, would actually be in its current form as we know it today with consciousness, with our ability to breathe, to oxygenate ourselves, to have the organs?
00:26:02.000What does the math show as far as the improbability that such a theory would be true?
00:26:08.000Okay, well, the math indicates that it's highly, highly improbable.
00:26:13.000First of all, nobody really knows where consciousness comes from, and there's strong indications that it is not produced by your brain and it's not produced biologically.
00:26:22.000But when you think about what evolutionary theory has to explain, it has to explain every single molecule and their systems working together in system elements for every feature on your body, most of which are connected in chicken and egg scenarios.
00:26:40.000In other words, you need products to make products and you need those products to go back to the initial conditions and highly circular systems that it's just highly, highly implausible.
00:26:52.000In fact, it takes great leaps of imagination, very vivid imaginations to even kind of conceptualize what this would happen.
00:26:59.000So when you try to add up all of the things that must evolve together, nobody's done the math on that because the numbers are so incredibly small from a probability standpoint that it's really just not going to happen.
00:27:12.000And you would have to ask the evolutionists, what mechanism is doing this?
00:27:16.000Are you really going to believe that random mutations, random genetic breakages are going to lead to all of these things?
00:28:08.000Doctor, can you go a little deeper into debunking Darwin and challenging some of his beliefs?
00:28:15.000He is still considered to be very well thought of in the academy.
00:28:20.000What did he hypothesize that we can now irrefutably say is not true?
00:28:26.000And should Darwin be taught at all in our schools?
00:28:30.000Well, I really don't think from a scientific standpoint, it really should be taught because it's a very, very weak scientific theory, particularly explaining biological functions.
00:28:40.000And so if you want to know what Darwin in his day really taught and what his big coup de grace was, what his claim to fame was, is he came up with the idea of natural selection.
00:28:51.000And that was really Darwin's idea altogether.
00:28:56.000And what he did is he compared nature to a human breeder.
00:29:02.000And he saw that breeders could select for certain traits.
00:29:05.000And over a period of time, they could get really diverse creatures.
00:29:08.000Well, he hypothesized that over a very long period of time, nature could act like a human breeder and select for traits and then eventually lead to the diversity of life on earth.
00:29:18.000Well, that analogy really was debunked initially by many of Darwin's colleagues in the day, but then about two decades later really took hold.
00:29:27.000And how it was debunked initially was, is they said, this is a phony analogy.
00:29:33.000You can't compare nature at all to a human being because humans have a real brain and humans can make real decisions and humans have real volition.
00:29:42.000And there's nothing in nature which would allow you to do that.
00:29:46.000But what it allowed Darwin to do was to project onto nature, to project onto nature in an illegitimate way, but a very imaginative way, that nature could somehow see, select, save, and build traits over time, that nature could somehow select for things or work on creatures or favor creatures or act creatures.
00:30:08.000And so it allowed Darwin to turn nature into an operative agent in lieu of God's agency.
00:30:16.000And that is what really captures the thinking of many people.
00:30:20.000They see that natural selection is this omnipresent force working on creatures and molding and shaping them when it's really illegitimate.
00:30:28.000And we can demonstrate that this is so because you can just ask someone, well, show me the selector if this is doing it.
00:30:34.000Or how do you quantify a selection pressure?
00:30:37.000Or what in nature is equivalent to a human brain to allow you to even project onto its select abilities?
00:30:57.000So just by asking questions to pin down and to take apart the substitute agent that Darwin put together is the best way to debunk it.
00:31:07.000Because once you show that selectionism is really just a mystical way to interpret what you see, you've really pulled apart the heart or the guts of evolutionary theory altogether by just debunking selectionism as a mystical way of interpreting the world around you.
00:31:24.000A Christian who does believe in evolution sent this in because I sent out a lot of messages.
00:31:30.000I said, hey, what would you like us to talk about?
00:31:33.000He said, breeders are some form of evidence of evolution.
00:31:36.000If we can make dogs look massively different in 50 years of intensive breeding, why can't evolution happen naturally over a long period of time?
00:31:44.000So, doctor, let's posit that the earth is millions of years old for sake of argument, okay?
00:31:51.000What would you say in response to that?
00:31:53.000Well, I would say, you know, I used to think the exact same thing myself.
00:31:57.000I held to evolutionary thinking even after I became a Christian, and it was the scientific evidence which pushed me the other way.
00:32:04.000So positing the long period of time and positing the fact that breeders can come up with huge varieties of dogs over a period of time, what would be the problem to thinking that way?
00:32:16.000Well, number one, I mentioned that nature is not like a breeder.
00:32:25.000And breeders really do shuttle those organisms down particular tracks where they want to accentuate certain traits.
00:32:32.000It's a highly intelligent operation where you really use your mind, you really do use your volition, and nature can't do that.
00:32:40.000It doesn't even know what to pick for or what to select for.
00:32:44.000And number two, his analogy is actually an argument against it, because even though breeders can get these huge varieties of dogs intentionally with real volition, they still consistently get dogs, dog after dog, one generation after another generation, and they hit specific limits that you cannot get past a dog.
00:33:09.000So unless you just want to invoke a very fertile imagination that thinks somehow, some way you're going to jump past these natural barriers or limits, what the breeding experiments show is that organisms actually do faithfully reproduce after their kind.
00:33:27.000And the world's longest running experiment on evolution, which was involving E. coli bacteria, which went on for well over three decades, consistently showed that these organisms faithfully reproduced E. coli one division after another after another.
00:33:44.000And not only do you only hit limits within kinds, you'll actually hit limits with those particular traits because people have been breeding horses for many, many generations.
00:33:55.000And you suddenly hit the maximum amount of speed that these horses are being able to obtain.
00:34:02.000And you can't even really push past some of those type of barriers to the traits.
00:34:06.000So breeding experiments, rather than showing that there's unlimited change, actually show that there are definite limits to change.
00:34:14.000How would you respond or how should we think about what some evolutionists would point to as evidence in their argument when they say that there are certain animals that have character traits that are not useful to them?
00:34:28.000For example, fish that live in very dark caves have eyes but no longer work.
00:34:35.000They would say, wouldn't that the only explanation would be a byproduct of evolution?
00:34:41.000Well, I would say that's the way that it's taught to you in school, and that's the way you were trying to think of it on there.
00:34:47.000But that's really an argument from ignorance.
00:34:51.000So you see these bones in the whales and you assume that they're kind of like de-evolved or vestigial types of hip bones.
00:35:00.000But when you actually go with the science and you let science operate, you find out that these are not vestigial hip bones at all.
00:35:07.000These are totally functional bones, which are useful in whales and dolphins today, which are necessary in order for them to copulate underwater, no easy feat.
00:35:17.000And so you completely misinterpreted what you saw.
00:35:20.000And then, in terms of the blind cave fish, for instance, yes, there are surface fish with eyes.
00:35:26.000And then you find those same fish in a cave.
00:35:28.000They can actually breed with the surface fish and they're hypopigmented and they don't have eyes.
00:35:33.000So what you are actually seeing is an activation of internal programming, not a trial and error and hit and miss process that took place due to random mutations.
00:35:45.000What we actually see is an internal program which enables these fish to live in caves, which purposely shuts down their eyes, purposefully turns down their pigmentation, traits that can be dialed up and dialed down, purposely changes their circadian rhythms, their diet, their heart, their red blood cells, their metabolism.
00:36:09.000A whole slew of traits activate in these cave fish and other creatures that live in caves in very similar ways, enabling them to fit in caves.
00:36:18.000So what I actually see here is I see a highly designed, highly regulated mechanism that enables creatures like these fish to pioneer into caves and to be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth, just as the Lord said, including caves.
00:36:36.000I see strong evidence for engineering, purposeful engineering that allows these organisms to pioneer into different environments altogether.
00:36:45.000And I see no evidence, zero, for random mutations being selected out over long periods of time.
00:36:52.000I mean, how would these fish even live in these caves?
00:36:55.000The conditions are so different from the surface area.
00:36:57.000They have to be able to adjust very rapidly.
00:37:01.000Doctor, you mentioned that you used to believe in some of these arguments.
00:37:08.000Well, I was a good student in school, high school, and things, and I studied and I believed what my teacher said.
00:37:15.000I had a lot of faith in what they were teaching me.
00:37:19.000And I pretty much accepted it without any questioning on it.
00:37:23.000And that went on for quite a few years, even after I became a Christian.
00:37:27.000In fact, I used to argue with people like myself trying to convince my position that I was wrong.
00:37:33.000And I hate to say that I even laughed at the former president of ICR who founded this ministry on the radio.
00:37:40.000But I was laughing from a position of ignorance.
00:37:42.000I really didn't understand the science and I really didn't understand the arguments at that time.
00:37:48.000And once I started to dig into the science and I started to see that, hey, when I look at a fossil and I see a living counterpart that today, there's really essentially no evidence of evolution between them, even though tens of millions of years have passed.
00:38:05.000I don't see random mutations leading to improvements.
00:38:09.000I see them leading to diseases and death.
00:38:13.000And what I really find are systems, when I look deep into the biology, which are highly internal to organisms and totally regulated within them, which have functions.
00:38:23.000And I see incredible volumes of information that are in these creatures, which could not come about through random processes altogether.
00:38:33.000And I start to see that I was believing in something which really made no scientific sense at all.
00:38:38.000It was actually counterintuitive to what I would normally think.
00:38:43.000Purposeless things don't lead to purposeful things.
00:38:46.000A lack of agency doesn't lead to organisms that exercise agency.
00:38:50.000A lack of consciousness does not lead to things that have consciousness.
00:38:55.000A lack of planning and purpose doesn't lead to things which are highly engineered, highly purposeful.
00:39:00.000So I was holding to things which were totally counterintuitive.
00:39:03.000And it was through the ministry way back in the early 1980s of the Institute for Creation Research, looking at their information, which set me free.
00:39:12.000And I was kind of like born again again with this thinking.
00:39:19.000Three-star general Michael J. Flynn, head of the Pentagon Intelligence Agency, knew all the government's dirty secrets.
00:39:26.000He was one of the most respected generals in the military.
00:39:29.000Flynn knew what the Intel world had been up to.
00:41:08.000We have, in my opinion, one of the best fish labs in the country that we have set up.
00:41:14.000And we are doing experiments on these blind cavefish in terms of their pigmentation and their eyesight right now.
00:41:21.000We have a large project on geology, and that's the borehole project that I mentioned a little earlier.
00:41:27.000Every time oil organizations and people are searching for minerals, they go looking, they drill these boreholes into the earth and they log or they catalog what is coming out of the borehole.
00:41:39.000So they're able to document the layers as they go through those types of layers.
00:41:43.000Well, we're the only organization right now, which is actually cataloging all of those boreholes.
00:41:49.000And I shouldn't say all of them, but literally thousands of those boreholes on every continent on the planet and able to make maps of those and which are able to demonstrate very clearly that, as I said earlier, you find the same layers in the same order in certain segments of them on every continent on the planet.
00:42:07.000So we're able to show that there really was a worldwide flood and we're able to fairly precisely document the different stages of the flood.
00:42:30.000He's our physicist on longevity of the patriarchs and also a lot of research into Big Bang.
00:42:36.000So we don't have a huge broad range, but we have some very targeted areas, Big Bang, biological evolution, age of the earth, particularly sedimentation, where we really drill down deep and we do the research.
00:43:05.000Last year we went to seven and we did discussions at public universities, public college campuses, and where we kind of take on the evolutionists that are on those campuses.
00:43:16.000And so the students don't have to do it themselves.
00:44:10.000The flying ones were created on day five, land ones created on day on day six, just as the Bible says, that they coexisted with humans up until the time of the flood, of which the time the vast, vast majority of them were destroyed.
00:44:24.000They probably weren't destroyed by some asteroid or hitting the planet and killing mostly just the dinosaurs, but not other creatures.
00:44:33.000So the vast majority were destroyed in the flood.
00:44:36.000Some were obviously taken onto the ark by Noah, brought there.
00:44:41.000They populated the earth, many parts of it post-flood.
00:44:45.000There's evidence of people actually making drawings of dinosaur-like creatures.
00:44:51.000And if you go to our museum at the Discovery Center in Dallas, Texas, we have a whole wall dedicated where photographic evidence shows drawings of people who have drawn these types of dinosaurs up until like the Middle Ages.
00:45:05.000There's even a perfect rendition of one from a temple in Cambodia showing a stegosaurus drawn on this, which was made in the 1400s.
00:45:15.000So somehow, some way, they've either gone completely extinct, but they persisted with humans for quite a period of time.
00:45:22.000Probably most of the legends about dragons are these dinosaurs, and so they've died out.
00:45:28.000And perhaps the main reason why they died out after the flood is that humans killed them, like they like they've killed off other organisms on the planet.
00:45:37.000So that's how I'd say the best way to understand dinosaurs.
00:45:41.000So, Doctor, in closing here, it seems as if that public opinion is moving in the creationist direction in the last 10 or 15 years.
00:46:00.000Well, I wish I could say that I do see that.
00:46:04.000I'm glad to hear that people like Tucker have thought this through, even though he would not probably be in my camp, but he's thought through the evidence.
00:46:12.000And other people are thinking it through.
00:46:14.000But by and large, I can't say that there is an overwhelming case where people are moving towards creation.
00:46:21.000In the United States, because we have a diversity of thought, there's a higher percentage of people who would reject evolution than across the world.
00:46:29.000But what I would say is, even if the public opinion isn't always going in our favor, the scientific evidence is.
00:46:37.000The scientific evidence is coming in very strongly that when organisms adapt, it is due to highly regulated mechanisms that enable them to adapt very rapidly and often repeatably, repeatedly, and sometimes reversibly, and with traits that are so targeted to the environmental challenges that they can even be predictable.
00:47:00.000And so the scientific evidence is coming in very strongly inconsistent with evolutionary theory and very strongly in the case for an engineered approach, an engineered explanation for biology.
00:47:12.000So I think it's just a matter of time before evolutionary theory has to be completely reformulated in many ways.
00:47:18.000And we are at a perfect time to develop a theory of biological design right now from ICR kind of leading the way and others coming along with us to explain the scientific evidence better than it's explained before through a theory of biological design.
00:47:34.000And I think when that happens, we will start to persuade people even stronger.
00:47:39.000Doctor, thank you so much for your time.