00:00:00.000Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, a special bonus episode with my friend Dr. Keith Rose, who's a jack of all trades, and he served internationally in Afghanistan, and he is now involved in trying to protect Americans and get them out of what is happening right now in Kabul.
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00:00:27.000We are doing five church services this weekend, but I was so moved by my phone conversation with Keith Rose, who's actually been in Kabul and has contacts in Kabul and has some exclusive information that the corporate media will not tell you.
00:00:39.000There is information that is happening right now in Afghanistan regarding American lives that Keith Rose has, and we're going to share it with you.
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00:02:13.000And in the intelligence community, you know even more than most.
00:02:18.000So we did a lot of humanitarian work too.
00:02:20.000Ironically enough, we helped a lot of people and we helped build a medical infrastructure, which is so critical.
00:02:26.000I only say this just to establish our credibility before we get into all of this very important stuff.
00:02:31.000So people don't say, oh, who is this guy?
00:02:33.000But you really know what's going on on the ground.
00:02:36.000Keith, on a scale of Saigon to Iran, how bad is it right now in Kabul?
00:02:42.000Saigon to Iran, we're actually establishing a new low.
00:02:47.000I wouldn't even put it on the scales with Saigon to Iran.
00:02:51.000Each had their own problems, but what we have now is something that even who I consider some of the sharpest minds in the intelligence services and even in the military retired folks, no one saw this coming.
00:03:06.000This is an unforced era of galactic proportions right now.
00:03:11.000I mean, it could turn into one of the greatest humanitarian crisis in the history of not only our country, but the world.
00:03:45.000I mean, unless it's a strategy for failure.
00:03:48.000And really, the interesting thing, Charlie, from a 100,000-foot view, we were there 20 years, four presidents, Trillions of dollars to replace the Taliban with the Taliban.
00:04:06.000I mean, if you think about that, why were we there that long?
00:04:10.000It's important to understand: where does the Taliban get the fuel for their car?
00:04:15.000We all know most of it comes from Pakistan.
00:04:17.000A lot of it comes from the Pakistani intelligence services or the ISI.
00:04:23.000Well, you really can't trust those guys because they also support a gentleman who we have worked against our entire time by the name of Siraj Haqqani, who, from my reports from my guys, says is on his way to Kabul.
00:06:04.000There's a lot of really, just let me couch this: there's a lot of really good people.
00:06:07.000I'm just a wheel in the cog, a cog in the wheel, that's how tired I am, of folks working.
00:06:12.000But we're coordinating efforts because the problem in Kabul right now is that we cannot get our people, the people that helped us, the people that hold American passports that are being turned away because they're not on a quote list into the airport.
00:06:28.000Now, the Brits and the Aussies have sent teams out and they're picking their folks up outside of the airport.
00:06:48.000But they're locking them down right now.
00:06:50.000They're not allowing them to go do that because I believe that this administration and the leadership, this is what we're seeing as a galactic failure of leadership.
00:07:00.000This is what happens, Charlie, when you elect people based on their wokeness.
00:07:06.000You know, if you understand General Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and General Austin, who's the Secretary of Defense, both of those were colonels that were passed over twice for promotion.
00:08:05.000Let's go straight to the ground and cover it.
00:08:06.000So the ground right now is our troops can't leave.
00:08:08.000And here's an important note: we have, you hear it on the news, we're authorized for 6,000 troops.
00:08:14.000Biden authorized 6,000 troops on the ground.
00:08:17.000As of when I checked it last, and that was probably a few hours ago, there's only 2,500 plus troops on the ground because they are slow-dripping these troops in a battalion at a time.
00:08:50.000And the reason I know this was reported to the Pentagon, and the reason I know this was reported in the intelligence services is because I delivered those reports.
00:08:57.000And we said, and I'm sure other people did, we gave them video evidence.
00:09:05.000Remember, you and I. Foreign fighters in Afghanistan.
00:09:08.000Remember, you and I had that conversation.
00:09:09.000And I showed you the video, and I said, they're not even fighting.
00:09:11.000Now, we were doing just our duty as patriots, reporting on what we call atmospherics.
00:09:18.000I do a lot of relief work, and I wanted to make sure people that I worked with were safe.
00:09:22.000So when I would get these reports, we would get eyewitness reports from people that have worked with us a long time saying, you have, you know, we have people that are not Afghans that are coming in.
00:09:34.000And the interesting thing was they weren't fighting.
00:09:37.000They had excellent equipment and what we call kit.
00:09:40.000And they were just biding their time and growing in number.
00:09:45.000And if you look at this from a strategic standpoint, we now have more al-Qaeda, whether they're Uzbek, Chechen, wherever they come from on the spectrum in Afghanistan than we did when we got there in the first place.
00:10:30.000MRAPs are the large armored vehicles we transport our troops with, but they have armor systems and weapon systems, armor and weapon systems.
00:11:08.000It's showing the world that not only are we withdrawing from Afghanistan, this is a humiliation of epic proportions.
00:11:17.000And in a time right now, geopolitically, when our allies should be emboldened because they're our allies, they're having, I imagine, a lot of second thoughts, like places in Taiwan.
00:11:30.000So if you want to know why we're doing this, I can't tell you, but the effects are going to be felt globally.
00:11:36.000Yeah, the intentions, I can speculate, and that's what we do a lot of.
00:12:07.000We have the interior of Kabul airport, but a C-17, a large transport, left today, and on its lift out right over the airport, it was shooting off flares.
00:12:16.000So we have control of it, but who was shooting off flares?
00:12:36.000I would like to know: did we leave those in Bagram?
00:12:40.000I will tell you, we did have a report of those type of weapons getting to the Taliban a year ago.
00:12:45.000So we control the interior of this airport, but on the exterior, in the streets of Kabul and the other villages, how many Americans are there teeth?
00:12:53.000Because our own government doesn't even know this.
00:12:58.000We have people working around the clock collecting information from friends, guys that work there like I did, humanitarian workers, everyone that worked there.
00:13:07.000And we're collecting this massive amount of information.
00:13:09.000The best guest I can have with American passports is over 10,000.
00:13:19.000They're third generation Mexicans, but Americans, third generation Americans that are Mexican, and they go to Mexico to visit their parents.
00:13:26.000A lot of people knew that Kabul would eventually fall.
00:14:02.000When we're pushing helicopters into the ocean.
00:14:04.000Joe Biden has an interesting history in all this because Joe Biden was the senator that blocked the aid that President Ford requested after Saigon fell to help the refugees.
00:14:16.000And he said, and this is easily researchable: F those guys.
00:14:54.000I mean, explain to us what's actually happening on the streets of Kabul because this is hard for Americans, including myself, to kind of do is the Taliban control every neighborhood?
00:15:13.000They're not ubiquitous, but they're there.
00:15:15.000And here's what people don't understand.
00:15:17.000The larger city centers, they're doing a charm offensive.
00:15:21.000But the smaller areas, to give you an example, someone that helped us in a smaller province, I received the video the other night from a relative, and it was him being executed by the Taliban.
00:17:52.000My prayer is that the Taliban will back up and allow people to leave.
00:17:57.000But here's what concerns me: Joe Biden has set August 31st for a tentative, like we're going to be out by August 31st.
00:18:07.000September 11th has meaning in the Middle East.
00:18:12.000And what we're seeing, I believe, is what happened thousands of years ago when Jerusalem was attacked by Saladin.
00:18:20.000When Jerusalem was attacked by Saladin, there were 12 days of some of the most intense fighting.
00:18:26.000And on the 12th day, they took Jerusalem.
00:18:29.000It's 12 days from the 31st to September 11th.
00:18:32.000Now, the Middle Easterners, the Southeast Asians, the Afghans, they have 4,000 plus years of history, and it means something to them.
00:18:42.000Joe Biden can't remember what he did yesterday.
00:18:45.000And if we don't pay attention to history and understand that this is significant and they could use this, this is the, and this is what bugs a lot of us have spent time there.
00:18:56.000This is the fulfillment of what Osama bin Laden started.
00:19:01.000He wrote about it and we handed it to him.
00:19:04.000And it didn't have to happen this way.
00:19:07.000So in the current moment, this could go wrong at any time.
00:19:46.000And so what we're trying to do is figure out from our leaders, and we can't get in touch with them now.
00:19:53.000We understand that they are paralyzed.
00:19:57.000Who is running, I mean, from what I understand, the way that the military apparatus is built, that they have different continental commands, right?
00:20:04.000So someone's in charge of Africa or Europe.
00:20:18.000And he just must be losing his mind about that.
00:20:20.000But he can only do so much with the support that he's given.
00:20:23.000There's folks at the UN that are there now.
00:20:25.000They're not the official UN guys that are always there.
00:20:28.000But the guys that are running it now, good guys, because they're not the typical UN guys.
00:20:33.000The people that are there understand the mission.
00:20:36.000The American people understand the mission.
00:20:39.000The only people that are holding back this from being a successful endeavor are behind closed doors looking at a TV screen and they're paralyzed with fear.
00:20:49.000And that would be the Biden administration and the Joint Chiefs.
00:20:52.000But all of a sudden, 100 American soldiers are going to die or something.
00:23:36.000Well, when the president left with money, with lots of cash, and says, I'm giving it to the Taliban, that caught, I was, I know where I was when that happened.
00:23:47.000I had friends calling me going, what just happened?
00:23:51.000I think in the final analysis, we're going to learn these.
00:23:54.000But the Taliban could have been held at bay.
00:23:57.000We were doing that with just 2,500 troops.
00:24:34.000We went over to Afghanistan because of 9-1-1.
00:24:38.000And we stand to lose up to five times as many people and up to four times as many American citizens by our own malfeasance in the way we're pulling this exit.
00:24:50.000We're not allowing our troops to go out into the city and get our people.
00:24:54.000All because of a leadership, not our rank and file, not the mid-level guys, but a leadership that feels like it's more important that you understand white rage, that you understand critical race theory.
00:25:08.000I can promise you, the soldiers on the ground don't care what color you are.
00:25:12.000They care about the guy on their left and the guy on their right.
00:25:30.000And we were stopped by a young officer and he said, you guys need a wheel walker.
00:25:34.000And I looked at my buddy and he goes, rolled his eyes.
00:25:37.000And a wheel walker means you need someone walking next to your vehicle so you don't go faster than the person walking so there's no accident because it's a safety issue.
00:25:45.000We're in a war zone on an operating base, Ford operating base, but we need a wheel walker.
00:25:49.000When the officer walked off, I looked at my buddy and I go, bro, what's up?
00:25:55.000He goes, when you have nothing important to do, the unimportant becomes important.
00:26:00.000And what you've seen right now is you have an administration and a military leadership that had a lot of important to do, but they made the unimportant critical race theory wokeness important.
00:26:14.000And the important stuff has risen up because history has a way of just, you know, sticking its head up, and we're not ready for it.
00:26:22.000So now I want to get into the implications of this.
00:26:25.000Internally in the White House space and any sources that you, how are they processing, do they processing this?
00:26:55.000And currently, right now, I believe, and from what I understand, the Biden administration, it's not that they not only don't know what to do, they don't know where to look to find what to do.
00:27:07.000How is that possible in a multi-trillion dollar government and a multi-trillion dollar military apparatus?
00:29:48.000Not that I want to politicize this, but politics is how you control the White House, right?
00:29:53.000Their own internal polling right now shows that one in 10 Democrats, I mean, hardcore progressive leftists have turned away from them and no longer support them.
00:30:04.000They just lost 10% of their base, not the independents.
00:30:10.000It just seems that even CNN can't explain it.
00:30:13.000There's something kind of in the intuition of a normal American that's like, okay, Trump was a jerk, but he would figure this out.
00:30:20.000He would have helicopters, bombs, supersonic missile, whatever it took.
00:30:23.000There's something that I think even the normal American can resonate with, right?
00:30:29.000What I'm seeing, I believe, a great thing to do, and I would support it, believe it or not, because I love the guys on the ground and I have deep relationships with some of those people in Afghanistan that supported us.
00:30:42.000Is that if the person I believe is running the country, which is Ron Klain, I would encourage him to reach out and call President Trump's chief of staff.
00:30:54.000Back in the Bay of Pigs, I believe Eisenhower came in to President Kennedy, brought Eisenhower in to help him as a consultant, because this is not a time to talk about tweets.
00:31:08.000This is not a time to talk about being woke.
00:31:11.000This is a time to bring our country back to a prominent position because when you saw those folks, that picture of all those people from Afghanistan holding onto that plane, they just wanted to get out.
00:31:25.000If we don't come together as a nation, there's not going to be a plane that we can hold on to to get out.
00:32:11.000They allow force to be projected to bring in people.
00:32:15.000And they process and they get out the critical people that are under true threat.
00:32:19.000Those that helped us, that not just the ones that are going to get beat up, but the ones that are going to be killed.
00:32:24.000When they do that, they need to really.
00:32:27.000An interesting thing, Charlie, is they could fix a lot of this almost immediately if they put pressure on Pakistan, believe it or not.
00:32:36.000If we had a State Department that understood the geopolitical, the geopolitical situation right now in that part of the world, and we just, can you imagine a State Department that called the ambassador Pakistan and said, look, we're not playing anymore.
00:32:51.000You guys either back off or we're going to make sure that that was the last anniversary you ever celebrate as a country because India is going to absorb you because we're going to support them with everything we have in Kashmir and everywhere.
00:33:05.000Just India is going to take it over because we can.
00:33:10.000We're funding them and we don't have to do that.
00:33:14.000But we have to have the courage of our convictions.
00:34:12.000But what is unprecedented is the way we're treating this and just how flippant we are with, you know, we're trying to tear a band-aid off a wound that if we do it the wrong way, the patient bleeds to death because they just ripped it off not realizing it was on a major vessel.
00:34:29.000And the genie could be put back, but it's going to have to.
00:34:32.000So the best case scenario is this gets wrapped up in a couple weeks, but we're not on pace for a best scenario.
00:35:01.000Well, it could be, but a three-week big crisis because, again, you're running into the historical significance of 9-11.
00:35:09.000It was, I really believe in don't contribute to conspiracy what can easily be explained by incompetence because I'm looking at who's in the White House.
00:35:22.000But more importantly, back here, Charlie, I pray we fix this.
00:35:25.000And I also pray that people see elections have more than consequences because right now the British parliament came out against our military.
00:38:00.000Well, that's the whole point, is that all of a sudden now we have, and this is where I, you know, the media lost their mind on what I said, which is we do not have an obligation to resettle them in America.
00:38:09.000We might have an obligation to help them.
00:38:11.000You could bring them to any of the multitude of air bases we have across the planet, which is plenty in the great American empire, from Germany to Japan to South Korea.
00:38:21.000But this idea we now have to give citizenship to someone who might not really share our values.
00:38:26.000They might have helped us, but they might not share our American values.
00:38:29.000But I'll tell you, a lot of them, though, believe it or not, Afghans, there are a lot of really good folks.
00:38:34.000We got our interpreter here a while back.
00:38:37.000I was told that about Somalians, though, too, Keith.
00:41:14.000And the morality is why we self-govern.
00:41:17.000And the problem is the Democrat Party doesn't self-govern their own lives.
00:41:23.000They don't have the morality in the way they legislate.
00:41:28.000So I don't think we can expect them to have the morality or the courage of their conviction to go and do the right thing when they specialize in condemning people, creating victims, so they have the right to rebel.
00:41:42.000Yeah, and it, I mean, I totally agree.
00:41:44.000I think this is a very important teaching moment.
00:42:57.000And look, they'll take you seriously because they know your backs are against the wall.
00:43:01.000That's the thing that it shocks me is their backs are against the wall, meaning the leadership, and they're frozen.
00:43:10.000When I started working, Charlie, over 20 years ago, my boss told me one thing.
00:43:14.000He said, never do anything you know that is morally wrong that you can't live with.
00:43:19.000And he said something that I'll never forget that I'm sure a lot of other guys have heard.
00:43:23.000He said, never do anything, not if, but when it becomes known to the American public will shock the conscience of the nation.
00:43:32.000And what we are seeing right now in my lifetime is something that has shocked the conscience, Democrat and Republicans, of our nation.
00:43:39.000And it didn't have to be this way, right, Keith?
00:43:41.000We could have had a prudent withdrawal that would have had a concentric circle type strategy of removal of citizens, destruction of weapons, and then eventually leaving.
00:44:17.000And there will be a moment in time, and it's coming, where even the most Democrat person doesn't want to see Americans slaughtered by the Taliban.
00:44:26.000And I believe that, you know, I've seen folks that are hardcore Democrats that have come out and said, this is wrong.
00:44:31.000Well, the House Democrats on their call with Kelosi, it was leaked, they are screaming at her.
00:44:36.000Like, you do not know what this is doing in our district.
00:44:38.000I mean, you're trying to tell me that some of these Democrats and swing districts in Orange County, which is, you know, should be a center-right area, it doesn't matter how Democrat they become.
00:45:43.000And these kids are coming unglued because their limited freedom means more to them than anything.
00:45:49.000They meant so much to a soccer player that he held on to an aircraft as it took off.
00:45:54.000And we metaphorically here are voluntarily not even getting on the plane as citizens and engaging in our politics to keep our country free.
00:46:06.000And I think it's, I couldn't agree with you more.
00:46:09.000I know what you hope to happen, but realistically, what is the Biden regime going to do?
00:46:13.000Are they going to wise up or are they going to be just paralyzed by their own gutless?
00:46:17.000The only play the Biden regime has is to ask for help from those that know what they're doing.
00:46:22.000If they don't, it's not that they don't want to do the right thing.
00:46:25.000They do not have the ability or the capacity within their current dysfunctional organization, I believe, to do the right thing.
00:46:33.000I think they're going to be forced to do that.
00:48:06.000It's fine if you just want to talk about wokeness and CRT, but it's absolutely tragic and malfeasance when he's in a position where he's not, I don't know if he's capable of doing it.
00:48:19.000They should bring back retired generals that know what they're doing.
00:48:23.000And a good president would have already fired him and replaced him with someone that would do something, but we don't have a commander in chief.