The Charlie Kirk Show - February 04, 2023


EXCLUSIVE: My Interview with Jair Bolsonaro

Topics
corruption achievements firearm ownership fake news power balance in Brazil
Hosted by
Charlie Kirk
Guests
Jair Bolsonaro
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Brasil Andrew Essa Lula
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17 minutes

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98.94

Word count

1,748

Sentence count

107

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Learn English with former Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, who served as president between 2002 and 2006. In this episode, President Lula talks about his time as president, his transition to the United States, and his future plans after leaving office.

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00:00:00.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
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00:00:45.000 Mr. President, thank you for sitting down.
00:00:51.000 So you came to the United States right before your term ended.
00:00:54.000 How have you spent your time here in the United States?
00:00:56.000 And what are your future plans?
00:01:12.000 I'm being very well received, especially by the Brazilian population.
00:01:22.000 And my intention to be here is that I want to stay away from the government that just took office in January.
00:01:38.000 I knew that there would be plenty of turbulence, and I did not want to be accused to cooperate with the disastrous way that the government started their term.
00:01:56.000 Because we have opposing policies, mine, conservative, right-wing, and theirs, leftist and geared towards socialism.
00:02:06.000 Sounds very similar to what we're dealing with in the United States: this kind of internal dispute.
00:02:13.000 And you brought crime down when you were president.
00:02:17.000 It's one of the things that I think we could actually understand.
00:02:20.000 Tell us about some of your big accomplishments during your tenure as president.
00:02:24.000 Essa disputa me parece muito parecida com a que nós tivemos aqui nos Estados Unidos.
00:02:28.000 Nós sabemos que o senhor baixou muito a taxa de criminalidade no Brasil.
00:02:33.000 Por favor, nos fale de algumas das conquistas do seu governo.
00:02:38.000 A questão das mortes por arma de fogo, passamos de 60 mil para 40 mil.
00:02:44.000 Debtes por arma de fogo serão reduzidas de 60 mil a 40 mil.
00:02:50.000 O que mais influenciou nisso foi a liberdade para a população de bem, com critérios, comprar o seu armamento.
00:02:57.000 And the biggest reason for this was that we allowed for the good people to purchase their own firearms to defend themselves.
00:03:15.000 And through a law that's called the law of economic freedom, we allowed for people to freely work and create their own companies.
00:03:26.000 We are the second country with the greatest digit in terms of digital in the world.
00:03:36.000 We chose our cabinet based on their merit and not political appointments.
00:03:49.000 And we really went against corruption.
00:03:54.000 Come out of Brazil without one single accusation of corruption.
00:04:04.000 We also had a great foreign policy.
00:04:07.000 We got close and did great business with the entire world.
00:04:22.000 And also the conservative issues.
00:04:24.000 We worked for freedom of religion, freedom of faith, and also freedom of expression.
00:04:30.000 We worked hard for those freedoms.
00:04:35.000 We rescued the patriotic sentiment of the Brazilian people.
00:04:42.000 And those for me are the most important achievements.
00:04:46.000 You mentioned firearm ownership.
00:04:48.000 It's one of the first things that Lula got rid of after he took office.
00:04:54.000 Is owning a firearm a constitutional right for Brazil?
00:05:17.000 Our law is very restrictive when it comes to firearm ownership.
00:05:32.000 And I regulated this subject through decrees that allowed for people to more easily purchase firearms, which was not allowed before I came to the presidency.
00:05:47.000 And now, through decree, he wants that all firearms in Brazil become part of, become registered.
00:06:04.000 But this goes against federal law because it says that this registration must be done by the army and not by the federal police, as he intends to do now.
00:06:20.000 If we study history, every dictatorship starts with a campaign against individual rights to own firearms.
00:06:30.000 For four years, they said they've been saying that I wanted to give a stage a military coup in Brazil.
00:06:42.000 And now they notice that the people who intend really to change the regime, that's not me.
00:06:50.000 I hope this translates well, but if you were trying to do something insidious, you wouldn't want more people to own guns.
00:06:58.000 And that's essentially, I believe that's what he's saying.
00:07:01.000 Yeah, I hope that the senhor can understand the translation, but if the senhor really wanted to do something bad, he wouldn't let the population have weapons.
00:07:14.000 I understand that a armed people never will be esclareced.
00:07:21.000 Yeah, I believe that a people that is armed will never be enslaved.
00:07:27.000 That's true.
00:07:29.000 That's very profound and totally true.
00:07:34.000 So there were the protests that happened on January 8th.
00:07:38.000 You were in Florida when those protests occurred, and yet some people are trying to blame you.
00:07:44.000 You had nothing to do with these protests.
00:07:47.000 Why are they trying to blame you and what's the story behind that?
00:08:08.000 Brazil did not have a right wing.
00:08:18.000 I was able to bring people together, talk about values, and talk about their importance for the future of Brazil.
00:08:31.000 There's a huge mass of people, conservative people, that will be the difference in future elections.
00:08:50.000 And the left blames me for this, and obviously, I do not agree with any violence or breaking public buildings or throwing rocks at glass windows, but they want to blame me because they want to be alone in, once again, only the left ruling Brazil.
00:09:07.000 There is a disturbing trend, in my estimation, of the weaponization of the judiciary in Brazil.
00:09:15.000 Do you have comments on that or thoughts on that?
00:09:33.000 Let me give you an example.
00:09:35.000 We believe that private property is sacred.
00:09:50.000 One Supreme Court Justice has said that after a long process of someone who owns a private land trying to get it back from people who actually took it over, that after that, it would be necessary for another.
00:10:05.000 Um outro o que no final?
00:10:07.000 Depois do processo, longo processo de integração de bós, aquela propriedade tinha que ser desocupada ou não?
00:10:12.000 Mas o que precisaria além do processo?
00:10:14.000 Cuidar uma comissão.
00:10:16.000 After the long process, they would have to create a commission to decide if a committee.
00:10:22.000 to decide if that would be, if that property would be once again given back to the owner.
00:10:29.000 It seems as if Brazil is going through a very critical crisis where in America we are going through a similar one.
00:10:38.000 Can a singular judge take your rights away?
00:10:56.000 Unfortunately, this is happening.
00:11:06.000 Today we have more than 1,000 people arrested in jail in Brazil, and many people have had their social media taken away and also their ability to make money on social media removed.
00:11:22.000 And always they use the same accusations: fake news or going against the democratic institutions.
00:11:39.000 And fake news and going against democratic institutions, there's nothing in the constitution that says that those are crimes.
00:11:49.000 And how can we decide what's fake news for me and not for you?
00:11:53.000 And so these judges are able to make their jury, judge, executioner, and prosecutor.
00:12:01.000 And in America, it's a different concept.
00:12:17.000 This began four years ago in Brazil.
00:12:23.000 And it's unfortunate because our Constitution is very clear when it comes to freedom of expression.
00:12:30.000 And there is an article that allows freedom of expression, but if you don't have judges that defend it, then what good is the article?
00:12:50.000 It's not the First Amendment.
00:13:01.000 So it's not the First Amendment, like here, it's Article 220, but unfortunately, it's completely ignored because they feel that they can do anything to protect democracy as if I was a dictator.
00:13:14.000 On this question, on the final question on this topic, do you think that there is a working system of separation of powers or checks and balances?
00:13:24.000 The reason I ask is that the founding fathers warned in America what judges with too much power could do.
00:13:31.000 O senhor creia que há no Brasil uma separação entre os poderes, um sistema de pesos e contrapesos?
00:13:38.000 Porque aqui nos Estados Unidos, os pais fundadores da nossa Constituição, eles preveram, previam o que podia acontecer se um juiz tivesse poder demais.
00:13:49.000 No Brasil há um consenso que alguns do poder judiciário têm extrapolado e não há ainda uma força suficiente para exercer esse poder de peso e contrapesos em cima desses poucos juízes no Brasil.
00:14:11.000 However, we don't have a force in Brazil that is able to go against and to use the balance of powers in order to be able to restrict the power of these judges.
00:14:25.000 The American founder said your liberty is protected by the structure of the Constitution, and without that, you don't have liberty.
00:14:42.000 What is your message to Brazilians watching this back home and want you back?
00:15:00.000 There is a great wish by a great part of the Brazilian population that I return as quickly as possible.
00:15:14.000 In the next few weeks, I intend to return to Brazil and be part of a responsible opposition to the current government.
00:15:30.000 Unfortunately, in the last 30 days, I have already done a lot of bad things.
00:15:34.000 And I like to say that a government by the Workers' Party, by Petit, does not really need opposition.
00:15:42.000 Will you return to politics again?
00:15:44.000 O senhor retornará à política?
00:15:47.000 Eu tenho que continuar na política, né?
00:15:49.000 É aquilo que eu me descobri um pouco tarde, talvez.
00:15:54.000 Mas, por ausência de liderança direita no Brasil, eu me vejo na obrigação de coordenar essas novas lideranças que têm surgido para que o Brasil não mergulhe de vez no socialismo ou no comunismo.
00:16:08.000 Yes, I found myself through politics, maybe a little bit late, but I feel that I must stay in politics because I have a very big responsibility.
00:16:17.000 There are new right-wing leaders in Brazil, and I feel that in my position, I must help coordinate their efforts to help the conservative movement.
00:16:29.000 Last question, from what you have learned the last couple of years, what is your advice or wisdom to other freedom fighters in the Western world or across the world?
00:16:51.000 Don't give up.
00:17:04.000 The left is very persistent, but we are the majority.
00:17:08.000 And as I like to say in Brazil, good always wins over evil.
00:17:19.000 We don't want Brazil to follow the path of Venezuela.
00:17:22.000 We don't want America to become Venezuela.
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