The Charlie Kirk Show - EXPLOSIVE Arizona Audit Update + the Human Toll of a Politicized FBI

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00:00:27.000 Today in the Charlie Kirk show, the latest from the Arizona audit.

00:00:30.000 We go into the new bombshell revelations from Georgia and why is it that the FBI was more concerned about entrapping Trump than doing their job going after the worst people imaginable in our society?

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00:02:48.000 I want to lead with a story that quite honestly is not something that you're going to hear on almost any other broadcast or any other podcast or radio show or television show over the next couple days.

00:03:01.000 It's one of those stories that is important, yet gets almost no coverage, yet it tells us something very important about our government.

00:03:08.000 It tells us a lot about what we are living through and what we can actually do about it.

00:03:15.000 We all know that there are limitations on resources.

00:03:18.000 No matter how big an enterprise or entity is, there are limitations on how much one organization can actually do.

00:03:27.000 There's always limitations even on our military, on law enforcement in particular.

00:03:32.000 Therefore, when we talk about when we allocate political power, we need to ask ourselves, what is the priority, especially when it comes to law enforcement?

00:03:43.000 Now, the obvious is that we should care about the most heinous crimes in particular.

00:03:48.000 We should care about the types of crimes that are almost unspeakably evil.

00:03:53.000 When we look at law enforcement, law enforcement should be first and foremost focused on making sure that child sex trafficking is not occurring, that gun smuggling is not occurring, making sure that foreign terrorism threats are not embedding themselves into our country.

00:04:10.000 Very basic things.

00:04:13.000 But as we have seen the American political landscape start to embrace and indulge this idea of using political power to try to destroy your opposition, we now see the brutal and human cost of politics.

00:04:29.000 We now see what the cost of playing Republican and Democrat in our own government is.

00:04:39.000 Yesterday, a report was published that got very little coverage, which was an investigation and review of the Federal Bureau of Investigations' handling of the allegations of sexual abuse by the former USA gymnastics physician, Larry Nasser, an absolute scumbag of the lowest possible order, but he credibly accused by so many different people, 0.75

00:05:06.000 young ladies that were taken advantage of by Nasser.

00:05:11.000 He was employed as a physician, an associate professor at Michigan State University.

00:05:17.000 Many of you remember hearing about this in the news and his pattern of abuse.

00:05:24.000 And so he preys on young women.

00:05:27.000 And where is law enforcement?

00:05:28.000 Well, if you read this report, if you read what has now been published by the Inspector General, you realize for years leading up to the eventual revealing of this pattern of behavior, our own government was too busy to actually investigate and prosecute Lawrence Nasser for criminally sexually abusing children.

00:05:58.000 In July of 2015, a USA gymnastics internal investigation into the allegations of sexual assault by Nasser against several gymnasts.

00:06:07.000 It was referred to the FBI's Indianapolis field office.

00:06:11.000 The allegations reported to the FBI came from gymnasts who were minors at the time.

00:06:17.000 But almost no investigation followed.

00:06:19.000 In September 2nd, 2015, the Indianapolis Supervisory Special Agent, another special agent from Indianapolis, conducted a field office interview by telephone.

00:06:28.000 However, the FBI Lansing resident agency is never informed about the allegations at all.

00:06:36.000 September 4th, 2015, the FBI Indianapolis field office informs USA Gymnastics that information related to Nasser and the Nasser matter has been sent to the Detroit FBI field office, but that never actually happened.

00:06:48.000 So meanwhile, he's allowed to continue to sexually abuse children, young ladies, who are gymnasts.

00:06:58.000 In May of 2016, USA gymnastics officials meet with the FBI field office.

00:07:04.000 Approximately eight months of inactivity by the FBI in investigating the Nasser allegations.

00:07:12.000 May 11th, 2016, as well as LA field office finally opens an investigation into Nasser after months of doing nothing and ignoring these tips.

00:07:23.000 In September 12, 2016, the Indianapolis Star publishes an article detailing allegations against Nasser made by four, by two former gymnasts.

00:07:33.000 So why was the FBI so incompetent?

00:07:38.000 It's because they're actually not as incompetent as you might think.

00:07:41.000 It's because they were distracted with things they cared about more.

00:07:45.000 During this exact period of time, they were too busy concocting a plan using Carter Page and a foreign FISA warrant to go spy on Donald Trump.

00:07:57.000 This is the cost of politics. 0.97

00:07:59.000 The cost of using government for your own political means means that scumbags and evil people like Lawrence Nasser are not going to be investigated and prosecuted. 0.77

00:08:08.000 So beyond the illegal nature of spying on President Trump, despite the illegal nature of using Christopher Steele, I should say with the dossier, spying on Carter Page, which we know happened during this period of time.

00:08:20.000 Now, do you know what also happened in the summer of 2016 when this occurred?

00:08:25.000 Peter Struckstroke Smirk was texting his adulterous lover, Lisa Page, saying, we're not going to allow him to get elected.

00:08:35.000 You see, Peter Struckstroke Smirk was not worrying about criminal sexual abusers at Michigan State University.

00:08:42.000 The FBI wouldn't be distracted by such means of protecting children.

00:08:46.000 They wanted to destroy Trump.

00:08:48.000 And so as we recognize that there are limited resources in all things that involve human beings, limited time, limited money, why is it that our own government has been allowed over the last couple years to ignore legitimate crimes against our own citizens while entrapping a duly elected president and his presidential campaign in 2016 and didn't stop there?

00:09:10.000 In January of 2017, this continued, and the FBI was still dragging their feet.

00:09:16.000 And what was the FBI doing?

00:09:20.000 The FBI was sending Peter Strzok into the White House, according to his own 302s that have now been declassified, to entrap Lieutenant General Michael Flint.

00:09:34.000 The Federal Bureau of Investigation, according to their own Inspector General report, was more worried about putting a general of the United States who served his country heroically in jail than Lawrence Nasser in jail.

00:09:51.000 Our own FBI was more concerned about going after George Papadopoulos than a serial child sexual abuser in Michigan.

00:10:02.000 Our own FBI was more worried about going after Roger Stone and Paul Manafort on half-truths and rumors than people that are the lowest level of existence that we could possibly imagine.

00:10:15.000 What I'm getting at is that there is a cost to all things in life, and the cost of politics in our government is very simple.

00:10:23.000 The opportunity cost is you destroy your political opponents, but then you allow evil people to roam free.

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00:11:35.000 So a lot of people say, Charlie, why is it that our own law enforcement agencies won't look into any of this voter fraud? 0.96

00:11:43.000 It's the same reason why Lawrence Nasser, complete and total evil scumbag, wasn't investigated by the FBI. 0.97

00:11:51.000 They were distracted. 0.96

00:11:53.000 There's only so much bandwidth when you try to use political power to destroy and to try and usurp the other side.

00:12:02.000 It wasn't a priority for James Comey to make sure that people that are taking advantage of children go to jail.

00:12:10.000 It's not a priority for Peter Strzok or Lisa Page.

00:12:13.000 No, it's a priority is to make sure that that Donald Trump guy never becomes president because as I quote, Peter Strzok texted Lisa Page and said, we are not going to allow him to win.

00:12:27.000 That we are not going to allow Donald Trump to win.

00:12:31.000 We have that in a text message.

00:12:34.000 And so we have this new inspector general report that shows the brutal and human cost of politicizing everything.

00:12:43.000 You walk through this, you realize that there wasn't just an indifference from the FBI.

00:12:49.000 They just almost couldn't be bothered by it.

00:12:51.000 And then it begs the question, how many criminals like Nasser are walking free and doing this right now in America that are currently not being investigated or prosecuted because the FBI is too worried about infiltrating or monitoring groups that they do not like.

00:13:10.000 How many other criminals are walking free right now because field officers are too worried about the political nature of law enforcement?

00:13:19.000 The more I dive into this, the more I realize that the intel agencies in our country have a disproportionate amount of power.

00:13:26.000 There is no check and balance against the law enforcement agencies.

00:13:30.000 People do not go to jail equally for doing the same things.

00:13:32.000 They do not get even prosecuted or investigated equally for doing the same things.

00:13:39.000 In fact, yesterday, Tucker Carlson had a bombshell show, as we predicted, where he dedicated serious amount of time about this new story out of Georgia that shows that thousands of ballots were put through the machine multiple times.

00:13:59.000 Let's go to Cut 59.

00:14:00.000 Tucker Carlson says that without people trusting an election, you cannot have a country and how increasingly people are not trusting them.

00:14:07.000 Before you play that, we've been saying this for the last couple months.

00:14:13.000 I was at an event here in Fargo, North Dakota last night, and I asked the audience, I said, how many of you guys trust the election?

00:14:21.000 No hands went up.

00:14:23.000 And the other side is totally uninterested in trying to remedy that.

00:14:27.000 They don't care.

00:14:28.000 Instead, they say, oh, no, no, we're going to use political power to crush you.

00:14:32.000 Play Cut 59.

00:14:34.000 You can't have a democracy if the public doesn't believe election results.

00:14:37.000 Increasingly, many people in this country don't believe them.

00:14:40.000 The solution to that problem, and it's a significant problem, is not to scream at these people, call them lunatics, or throw them in jail.

00:14:47.000 The solution is to tell the truth about what happened.

00:14:50.000 The only way to restore trust in our system is with facts.

00:14:54.000 So what are the facts about the election in Fulton County, Georgia?

00:14:59.000 What are the facts?

00:14:59.000 Cut 61, Tucker Carlson said at least 36 batches were double counted.

00:15:03.000 That's a total over 4,000 votes.

00:15:05.000 This is not a conspiracy theory.

00:15:06.000 This is not a conjecture.

00:15:08.000 It's a fact.

00:15:09.000 In fact, Brad Roffensperger, the head of the head, the Secretary of State of Georgia, who we've gone after quite a lot on this program, has now called for the Fulton County people to resign.

00:15:20.000 And Brad Roffensperger came out back in January and December, despite all the pressure we put on him.

00:15:26.000 And he said there was no voter fraud.

00:15:27.000 It was a perfectly executed election.

00:15:29.000 Everything is wonderful and perfect.

00:15:31.000 Play Cut 61.

00:15:32.000 So here's what we know tonight, factually.

00:15:35.000 At least 36 batches of mail-in ballots from the November election were double counted in Fulton County.

00:15:40.000 That's a total of more than 4,000 votes.

00:15:43.000 Those numbers come from a group called Voter GA, which along with Bob Cheely sued to get them.

00:15:48.000 The final tally from the double counts we know about amounts to more than 3,300 votes for Joe Biden and 865 votes for Donald Trump.

00:15:58.000 Now, before you dismiss Bob Cheely and Voter GA as dishonest partisan actors, keep in mind that the strongly left of center Atlanta Journal Constitution appears to agree with this, at least in outline.

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00:17:15.000 Did you know that 59 of the 96 phones assigned to the Mueller probe have gone missing and no one has decided to try to get them back?

00:17:25.000 I wonder what's on those phones from the Mueller probe.

00:17:28.000 Republicans, Senator Ron Johnson, let me just say, Senator Ron Johnson has been, alongside Rand Paul, probably the best and most courageous Republican senator of 2021.

00:17:40.000 I think that's a fair thing to say.

00:17:42.000 Ron Johnson has been awesome on vaccines.

00:17:45.000 He's been terrific on the January 6th thing.

00:17:49.000 He's been awesome.

00:17:51.000 They sent a letter to the Justice Department on Wednesday asking for more information regarding missing phones used by special counsel Robert Mueller's team during the Russian collusion investigation.

00:18:00.000 The senators sent the letter after finding out the Justice Department, quote, could not locate 59 of 96 phones used by special counselor Robert Mueller's team.

00:18:12.000 One team member in particular, Andrew Weissman, appears to have deleted all of the data on his phone more than once.

00:18:19.000 By the way, if you did this under subpoena, you would go to jail, just so you're clear, that the way the FBI and our law enforcement acts, if you did what they did with custody of devices, you go to jail.

00:18:32.000 Now, Hillary Clinton got away with it, obviously, as well, bleach bidding and destroying your emails.

00:18:37.000 But meanwhile, we have to go indict Donald Trump's CFO because he had a company car.

00:18:41.000 On September 27th, another report read, quote, AAW accidentally, Andrew Weissman, wiped cell phone data.

00:18:49.000 It was all lost.

00:18:51.000 On two occasions, officials had admitted to deleting the data, and multiple individuals stated that the phone automatically wiped the data after they used the wrong password too many times.

00:19:00.000 Oh, the wrong password.

00:19:01.000 You mean that they were intentionally putting the wrong password in time and time again to delete and wipe all that data?

00:19:07.000 Of course this happens.

00:19:08.000 Remember when the IRS lost all of their emails?

00:19:12.000 The 30,000 lowest learner emails back in 2014?

00:19:17.000 Do you remember that?

00:19:19.000 You remember when the IRS, when they were under all the pressure for targeting Republican and Tea Party groups?

00:19:32.000 They lost all those emails.

00:19:33.000 I read from CBS News.

00:19:35.000 IRS lost lowest learner emails in Tea Party Pro, June 13th, 2014.

00:19:41.000 It's almost like this is a pattern where if you do something illegal and wrong with our government, we're going to destroy the evidence so you can't find out that we did it.

00:19:50.000 In fact, we can even find the tape way back in the archives of Paul Ryan, of all people, even saying to Lois Lerner and the people running the IRS, I don't believe you.

00:20:03.000 But Lois Lerner still gets a full pension and was never held accountable for targeting American Christian, conservative, and Tea Party and patriotic groups during the rise of the Tea Party.

00:20:18.000 Let's get to some sound here, focusing more on the Georgia election fraud story.

00:20:26.000 This came out yesterday on Tucker Carlson's show.

00:20:30.000 We have a whole podcast focusing on this.

00:20:32.000 And Brad Roffensperger is now calling for the Fulton County election officials to be fired.

00:20:39.000 The question is, how could he possibly still have confidence in the Fulton County election results he certified?

00:20:44.000 Remember, he said that anyone who's challenging his results, they're a threat to democracy.

00:20:50.000 Remember, he sent out that Gabe guy, that subcontractor, he kept on sending them out on cable television.

00:20:57.000 And he said, people are going to get killed if you ask these questions.

00:21:01.000 Let's go to Tucker Carlson cut 62.

00:21:04.000 Fulton County claims that the errors in the ballot images happen all the time and they've been fixed.

00:21:09.000 But Voter GA has footage of a vote counter scanning a large number of ballots multiple times.

00:21:14.000 Cut 62.

00:21:15.000 So what's the explanation for this?

00:21:17.000 Well, if you ask Fulton County, these discrepancies, the ones you just saw on the screen, were isolated incidents, just a handful of bad ballots happens all the time.

00:21:25.000 The county claims that any errors were caught in previous recounts.

00:21:28.000 The problem is that neither one of those claims is true.

00:21:31.000 Surveillance footage obtained by Voter GA appears to show large numbers of ballots being scanned multiple times.

00:21:38.000 Pay attention in the tape we're showing you to the woman wearing yellow at the desk.

00:21:42.000 According to Voter GA, she slides ballots into a scanning machine, removes the ballots, and then reinserts the same ballots. 0.53

00:21:48.000 This happens multiple times.

00:21:50.000 The question is, how many times were those ballots counted?

00:21:53.000 Was each vote counted more than once?

00:21:56.000 Now, where's the Department of Justice?

00:21:58.000 Bill Barr and the Department of Justice, now run by Merrick Garland, they're too busy prosecuting Trump supporters and people in Trump's orbit.

00:22:08.000 Did you just hear what Tucker Carlson said on national television?

00:22:11.000 There's a video of a woman in yellow just throwing ballots through the machine. 0.99

00:22:14.000 That is in violation of state law, federal law.

00:22:19.000 If there's ever been a time for the Department of Justice to step up, it would be now.

00:22:26.000 Don't count on it.

00:22:27.000 Instead, they're going to do the opposite.

00:22:28.000 Remember, Biden's Department of Justice is coming after Georgia state legislators for passing a voter integrity bill.

00:22:36.000 But it's not what you see.

00:22:38.000 There's no voter fraud.

00:22:39.000 Of course not.

00:22:40.000 It's a lie is what we're told.

00:22:42.000 But what about the tally sheets?

00:22:44.000 As the Democrats say, the tally sheets, they correlate, don't they?

00:22:48.000 Well, they were obviously falsified.

00:22:50.000 Cut 63.

00:22:51.000 Now, one way to know the answer would be to check what are called audit tally sheets.

00:22:56.000 Tellingly, for months after the presidential election, Fulton County failed to provide more than 100,000 of those tally sheets, including 50,000 of them for mail-in ballots.

00:23:06.000 When Voter GA finally forced Fulton County to turn over the tally sheets, the conclusion was stunning.

00:23:13.000 Here's what the audit found.

00:23:15.000 Quote, seven falsified audit tally sheets containing fabricated vote totals.

00:23:20.000 For example, a batch containing 59 actual ballot images for Joe Biden and 42 for Donald Trump was reported as 100 for Biden and zero for Trump.

00:23:32.000 100 for Biden and zero for Trump.

00:23:34.000 Cut 64, Tucker on the whistleblower exposing pictures of unfolded mail and ballots that clearly have never been inside an envelope.

00:23:43.000 Before we play Cut 64, I just want to re-emphasize the obvious.

00:23:48.000 We are dealing with an incredibly fragile situation here.

00:23:53.000 We now have mountains of documented evidence that our law enforcement agencies are not interested in it at all.

00:24:03.000 They could not care less because they want Biden to be president.

00:24:06.000 That you are seeing that we are covering.

00:24:11.000 The country cannot continue like this.

00:24:13.000 It is not sustainable.

00:24:15.000 If people that are allowed to just run ballots with the machines do that and then a political party protects them, play Cut 64.

00:24:22.000 We've obtained photographs showing what went on during the recount process for mail-in ballots in Fulton County.

00:24:27.000 These pictures were taken by a whistleblower who participated in the recount.

00:24:31.000 She said she noticed something odd as she did.

00:24:33.000 None of the ballots that she saw had any creases on them.

00:24:36.000 You can see the stacks of unfolded ballots on your screen now.

00:24:39.000 That's strange because, of course, mail-in ballots need to be bent in order to be mailed in.

00:24:44.000 These ballots clearly had never been inside an envelope.

00:24:47.000 Clearly have never been inside an envelope.

00:24:49.000 I want to encourage all of you, though, we are going to win this fight.

00:24:53.000 The truth is on our side.

00:24:55.000 The cover-up and the action that went into it is now being brought to light.

00:25:00.000 I know some people, I get emails, Charlie, I'm sick of hearing about this.

00:25:03.000 Biden is president.

00:25:03.000 It's over.

00:25:04.000 That is not the right way to approach this.

00:25:06.000 This was an injustice against our country.

00:25:08.000 And by the way, you might not like Trump, which some people email us not liking Trump, but you want to have Chuck Schumer run the U.S. Senate.

00:25:17.000 If this Georgia nonsense was put in place and maybe David Perdue would have actually understood the forces organized against him, the Senate would be in Republican hands right now.

00:25:30.000 Instead, establishment Republicans have been perfectly fine sitting idly by while this injustice continues.

00:25:41.000 We are on the razor's edge of totalitarianism.

00:25:45.000 Cut 66, Tucker Carlson says, the whistleblower tells us that the ballots were filled out by a printer, not by hand, and that there were over 200 ballot images that were not counted in the November recount.

00:25:57.000 And the Atlanta Journal Constitution, the Democrat New York Times equivalent in Atlanta, they agree Cut 66.

00:26:07.000 And then the whistleblower noticed something else.

00:26:09.000 All of the ballots, the whistleblower tells us, have been filled out by a printer, not by hand.

00:26:15.000 And many of them supported the exact same candidates, Democrats, including Joe Biden.

00:26:20.000 Voter GA detected a series of other apparent irregularities in the recount.

00:26:24.000 The group's audit found, for example, that, quote, over 200 Fulton County mail and ballot images contained votes that were not included in the hand count audit results for the November election.

00:26:35.000 200 Fulton County mail and ballot images containing votes that were not included in the hand count audit results for the November election.

00:26:44.000 We're on fragile footing, everybody.

00:26:47.000 This is not sustainable when half the country is perfectly fine and they're perfectly content with all of this that has now been revealed.

00:26:56.000 And they just simply don't care.

00:26:58.000 In fact, they're happy because they think they got away with it. 1.00

00:27:01.000 They're chuckling at us because all they have to do is they have to just say, it's the big lie, you QAnon person in the hills. 1.00

00:27:12.000 If you dare speak out of line, we'll throw you in solitary confinement. 1.00

00:27:16.000 You understand that's the message that they're sending.

00:27:18.000 If you don't have elections and all of a sudden the leaders that are in place are not actually a reflection of the people.

00:27:24.000 They're a reflection of who can game the process the best.

00:27:29.000 They're instead a reflection of who is able and willing to blur the moral lines to get into power.

00:27:42.000 And I can tell you right now that the more pressure we put on the story, the more they are going to fight back.

00:27:47.000 But God bless Tucker Carlson for using his primetime show to reveal this.

00:27:51.000 And I have a very simple question.

00:27:54.000 And I would love to hear from you, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:27:57.000 Where are the other people on television and radio?

00:28:00.000 Why are they not talking about this?

00:28:02.000 Why, now that we have verifiable evidence of this, it is radio silence on the Western Front.

00:28:08.000 Are you afraid that they might call you bad names?

00:28:10.000 Afraid you might lose advertisers?

00:28:12.000 God bless Tucker Carlson for having the courage and the clarity and the conviction to elevate this to the largest cable news audience in television history.

00:28:25.000 Let's go to Cut 67.

00:28:26.000 Tucker Carlson, an election election expert, found that 35,000 votes, voters moved out of their county and they still voted in their own county.

00:28:37.000 That is illegal.

00:28:38.000 And again, I want you to just think about this.

00:28:42.000 In 2016, when Trump won Wisconsin by 10,000 votes, do you think if there was a video of a Trump supporter in rural Wisconsin putting ballots to the machines multiple times, do you think that would have resulted in an investigation or questions from the Democrats?

00:29:04.000 If there were folded up ballots that were never in mail-in ballot envelopes in Michigan when Trump surprisingly won Michigan, do you think that would have warranted an investigation?

00:29:14.000 Do you think that the Department of Justice and the FBI would have went after those people that did that?

00:29:20.000 Of course.

00:29:21.000 That's not the way the country is currently configured.

00:29:25.000 Cut 67.

00:29:27.000 And then there's this.

00:29:28.000 An elections expert called Mark Davis analyzed data from the post office.

00:29:32.000 He found that nearly 35,000 Georgia voters moved out of their county of residence more than a month prior to election day.

00:29:39.000 They were ineligible to vote, and yet they did.

00:29:42.000 They still voted in their old county.

00:29:44.000 That is illegal.

00:29:45.000 It is illegal.

00:29:47.000 But things are only illegal if they're enforced.

00:29:51.000 When people know that there is no punishment for your crime, why not do that?

00:30:01.000 Remember, Biden only won Georgia by 12,000 votes.

00:30:04.000 I put that one in quotes.

00:30:07.000 Now we have this evidence of people throwing ballots to the machines.

00:30:10.000 And for whatever reason, so many Republicans are silent on this.

00:30:14.000 They're afraid to weigh in on it.

00:30:17.000 Quite honestly, this is why when I asked the audience last night in Fargo, are you who here feels betrayed by the Republican Party?

00:30:28.000 Every single hand went up.

00:30:33.000 The Republican Party only exists currently as an anti-Democrat party.

00:30:40.000 No one actually goes and votes for Republicans because they're so enthused about them because they do very little to actually defend our values and fight for our country.

00:30:48.000 They're just there because we know they're going to get in the way of Democrats if we scream loud enough.

00:30:53.000 And so here we have a series of our freedoms and our liberties being routinely and systematically destroyed and quite honestly silenced from so many of our leaders on these issues.

00:31:11.000 Remember the water leak?

00:31:13.000 Because they said that that was what's happening in Fulton County.

00:31:16.000 The water leak was a fraud and a scam to be able to have these people act in this way without oversight.

00:31:23.000 The news repeat, let's play Cut 70.

00:31:26.000 The water leak in Fulton, Georgia actually ended up being a leaky toilet.

00:31:30.000 Cut 70.

00:31:31.000 There is now a hitch in the tabulation of votes.

00:31:35.000 I'm standing in Fulton County.

00:31:36.000 Fulton County includes a chunk of Atlanta.

00:31:39.000 They had counted 86,000 absentee ballots.

00:31:41.000 We don't know how many more they have yet to tabulate, but all the tabulation of those ballots has now stopped.

00:31:47.000 Halted vote counts election night, it was later learned, was not in proximity to any of the votes being counted.

00:31:55.000 It was simply a leaky toilet that became the pretext to stop the voting in that arena in the middle of the night.

00:32:05.000 A leaky toilet in that arena in the middle of the night.

00:32:10.000 If you wanted to turn this country into permanent discord, this would be a good way to do that.

00:32:20.000 I'm telling you right now, half the country does not trust our elections.

00:32:28.000 And our leaders are doing very little to try to remedy that.

00:32:32.000 And where that heads from here is you're going to have this country tear itself apart very soon.

00:32:38.000 And that's an awful thing.

00:32:40.000 In fact, I believe the American left wants that.

00:32:43.000 Instead of answering our questions and saying, you know what, that is kind of weird that that woman on the video is putting those ballots through multiple times.

00:32:51.000 They're saying, no, no, you actually don't see that two plus two equals five.

00:32:57.000 Did you ever read the fine print that appears when you start browsing in incognito mode?

00:33:00.000 It says that your activity might still be visible to your employer, your school, or your internet service provider.

00:33:05.000 How can they even call it incognito?

00:33:07.000 To really stop these people from visiting, from seeing the sites you visit, you need to do what I do and use ExpressVPN.

00:33:13.000 Think about all the times you've used the Wi-Fi at a coffee shop, a hotel, or even at your parents' home.

00:33:18.000 Without ExpressVPN, every single site you visit could be logged by the admin of that network.

00:33:24.000 And that's still true when you're in incognito mode.

00:33:26.000 What's more is your home internet provider, I'm talking about Comcast, ATT, or whatever, can also see and record your browsing data.

00:33:33.000 ExpressVPN is an application, it's an app that encrypts all of your network data and reroutes it through a network of secure servers that your private online activity says just that, private.

00:33:44.000 ExpressVPN works on all of your devices and it's super easy to use.

00:33:48.000 So stop letting strangers invade your online privacy.

00:33:51.000 Protect yourself at expressvpn.com/slash Charlie.

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00:33:57.000 That's expressvpn.com slash Charlie to learn more.

00:34:05.000 We're about to take live the Arizona audit that is happening right now.

00:34:10.000 Senator Karen Phan from Arizona, let's listen in live.

00:34:15.000 If the speakers who are here, as President Phan said, she's the Senate president.

00:34:20.000 I'm the Judiciary Chairman, Warren Peterson.

00:34:24.000 If we could just start with the three who are here to speak, if you could just introduce yourself and maybe provide us with some of your background and credentials.

00:34:33.000 So we'll start here with Mr. Logan.

00:34:36.000 Thank you, Chairman Peterson.

00:34:39.000 I want to thank you, Chairman Peterson, and Madam President, for all of the support that you've given for the audit.

00:34:46.000 I think transparency has always benefited our democracy, and it continues to be an honor to work with you to bring transparency to our election process.

00:34:55.000 As you know, I'm Doug Logan.

00:34:56.000 I'm the CEO of Cyber Ninjas.

00:34:59.000 I've held several industry-recognized certifications, such as the Certified Information System Security Professional, GAC Web Application Penetration Tester, and the GAC Certified Incident Handler.

00:35:10.000 I have personally done work for companies such as JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America, and my company regularly works with Fortune 500 clients and the federal government.

00:35:20.000 Specifically, our specialty is in application security, which allows us to be experts in complicated application systems such as voting systems.

00:35:29.000 For this reason, we're actually pulled into the work in Antrim, Michigan, and it was my team that helps assist Matt DiPerno with a lot of the findings they've had associated with specifically election software.

00:35:40.000 Thank you.

00:35:41.000 Mr. Bennett?

00:35:42.000 Yes, I'm Ken Bennett.

00:35:44.000 I'm the Senate liaison to the audit.

00:35:48.000 have an accounting degree from Arizona State University and have been a private businessman for 35 years with a variety of companies, including an 83-year-old family business up in the Prescott area.

00:36:00.000 Served as the Senate president from 2003 to 2007, also as a senator four years prior to that, so eight years in the state senate from 99 to 2007.

00:36:12.000 I also served as the Secretary of State for the state of Arizona from 2009 until 2015.

00:36:19.000 And as I said, I have been asked to be the Senate's liaison to the audit.

00:36:24.000 Thank you.

00:36:26.000 Thank you.

00:36:27.000 Mr. Cotton.

00:36:30.000 My name is Ben Cotton.

00:36:32.000 I am a court-recognized expert witness in digital forensics and incident response.

00:36:42.000 And I have over 25 years' experience performing these tasks both for the U.S. government and for private industries such as law firms.

00:36:52.000 We have specialized in providing these types of services now as a private company since 2002, and we continue that support within the industry to this day.

00:37:10.000 Thank you.

00:37:13.000 Thank you very much.

00:37:14.000 Okay.

00:37:16.000 Mr. Logan, I'm going to ask you to please open this segment up so that we can just walk through where you've been, where we're going, what you need to continue going and get to the end results of whatever those results might be.

00:37:33.000 I know that from the get-go in the very beginning, we said that we were not going to release any information until the audit was completely finished.

00:37:42.000 But we are at this juncture where I believe you want to share some information with us because of the reasons why we have not still received the things that were on the original subpoena that Maricope County is withholding from us, as well as additional information you're going to need to complete this full forensic audit.

00:38:02.000 So I will turn to get us kicked off here.

00:38:05.000 Awesome.

00:38:06.000 Yes, Madam President.

00:38:07.000 I think what I'd like to start with is we've actually put together a short video that gives an overview of what we've done with the audit and some of the details associated with it.

00:38:14.000 So could we put an exhibit A up on the screens, please?

00:38:21.000 I think as all my years as a county manager and working at the executive level in local government, I've never seen a process so unprecedented than this audit.

00:38:32.000 The transparency, the accountability, the integrity, and the overall chain of custody is something that is incomparable to any audit that's ever been conducted in the United States.

00:38:47.000 It was an important part of the process in identifying the individuals to assist us in the audit.

00:38:52.000 Background checks had to be done.

00:38:54.000 Social media vetting took place.

00:38:57.000 But we didn't care what party you were, whether you were Democrat, Republican, Independent, Libertarian, far left, far right, as long as you entered the building with good intention, knowing that you were going to follow a sense of accountability, that you had integrity, and to do the right thing, this is what it was about.

00:39:17.000 We wanted everybody in this building to be beyond reproach.

00:39:22.000 With over 1,500 volunteers and 200 paid staff, we had people from all over the country in all walks of life.

00:39:29.000 It was important because our chain of command was vital to the structural management process of the audit.

00:39:37.000 We had vice presidents, we had managers, and then we had table managers.

00:39:43.000 But people came from all over, from Pennsylvania to Iowa, from Virginia, Washington, D.C., and of course, the state of Arizona.

00:39:52.000 We had retired FBI agents, retired IRS auditors, we had technical professionals, we had CEOs of companies, election workers, and supervisors.

00:40:05.000 We had consultants.

00:40:08.000 We had even a United States Air Force general who had retired who spent every day working tirelessly to make sure the audit was done with quality.

00:40:20.000 Although it was only Maricopa County residents who voted in the last general election that were able to count ballots and votes, it was important to know that everybody in that building was there for one common goal,

00:40:35.000 and that was to validate the election results and seek out and find any vulnerabilities to provide feedback that would enable Maricopa County's election process to get better or to provide findings to the Arizona Senate for them to take the necessary measures to restore confidence in the Arizona voter.

00:40:57.000 We had many measures that were implemented to ensure the safety and security of the people within the facility.

00:41:03.000 Badging was something that was very important where a person to get into the facility had to present their badge, also a legal ID, and be on a list.

00:41:13.000 Another important aspect to this was our COVID protocol that we ensured that we did not have any issues pertaining to COVID.

00:41:22.000 And people were required to wear masks while on the floor.

00:41:26.000 Any visitors or state delegation personnel that came into the building were also escorted.

00:41:32.000 We had first aid stations on hand and we had a reunification site set up in the event we had to evacuate the premise.

00:41:40.000 Training was very detailed and extensive.

00:41:44.000 Everyone went through an orientation process before they broke out into their specialized training.

00:41:50.000 If you went to a counting table, you learned what the spinning process was.

00:41:55.000 You actually did a practice tally sheet.

00:41:58.000 You learned what the positions were that were involved in processing ballots and taking ballots off.

00:42:05.000 What table managers did and what pod managers did.

00:42:09.000 If you went into paper examination, you went to a lab where you worked directly with the microscopes and the camera technology in processing the ballots and the importance of making sure that qualitative images were taken while processing those ballots in the paper examination area.

00:42:30.000 Buzzwords were often used such as integrity, accountability, chain of custody, beyond reproach, and transparency.

00:42:38.000 And this was the culture that was developed for anyone that stepped in this building.

00:42:45.000 The floor operations had many different moving parts.

00:42:48.000 We had the ballot corrals that stored the ballots and staged the ballots in different ways, from regular storage to staging for paper examination and for staging for further investigation.

00:43:04.000 You had paper examination stations that would then take ballots from the box and process them to obtain the images that were necessary through DSLR cameras and four different microscopes that obtained information from each ballot.

00:43:22.000 You had aggregation that would then take the results of the counting tables and input that data into the system to ensure that the proper counts were correct during that process.

00:43:36.000 Ballots didn't move without three things, people, paper, and observation.

00:43:42.000 The people who moved them, the paper trail with the chain of custody that followed it, along with the camera observation that did not at any time allow blocks to not be seen.

00:43:56.000 The handling of ballots was also very important.

00:43:59.000 Once a ballot box was cut open and the ballots were removed, it was important that we ensured that the ballots were put back the exact same way they were pulled from each of the ballot boxes.

00:44:14.000 Our goal was to make sure that Maricopa County received the boxes back with all the artifacts in it along with the order of the ballots the exact same way that we received them.

00:44:26.000 I think with all the outcry of concern the election results displayed, it was important for the Arizona Senate to bring in an independent to evaluate the results.

00:44:40.000 This was done in a way that was unprecedented, that had never been done before with the detail and the forensic side of the audit.

00:44:50.000 But it was also important to be done in a bipartisan effort with the intent to provide feedback to Maricopa County to enable them to get better in their election process or to provide findings to the Arizona Senate to enable them to create measures that would ensure that in the future that the residents of Arizona could have confidence in the election process.

00:45:17.000 Thank you.

00:45:19.000 That just gives a brief overview of really our heart in doing all this.

00:45:24.000 We've tried to design everything to implement the biblical concept of beyond reproach so that we would not even have the appearance of evil in anything that we did.

00:45:33.000 The amount of live streaming we have there has been unprecedented.

00:45:37.000 I do not know of another audit that has had so much transparency and video captured.

00:45:42.000 We actually captured with all our data over two petabytes of data.

00:45:47.000 For you don't know a thousand terabytes ends up being a petabyte and the vast majority of that was video footage.

00:45:53.000 So we have accountability in every action that took place on that floor.

00:45:58.000 There's a lot of great American patriots.

00:46:01.000 They're out there.

00:46:02.000 They're part of this process who gave up time away from their businesses, who gave away often putting in leaves of absences where they are to make sure they'd be a part of this.

00:46:13.000 I think in total we had over 1,500 people involved in the audit process.

00:46:18.000 Of those about 1,100 of them were actually volunteers that they're just doing there to do their patriotic duty to make sure that we have integrity in our election process.

00:46:28.000 We had, I think it was over 80,000 hours working hour or man hours of time that was spent in what we did.

00:46:34.000 At this stage in time, we have tallied all of the ballots.

00:46:38.000 We've done paper examination on all of the ballots and that data is still being worked through.

00:46:44.000 The only thing that we have left is we're working through some of the last bits of aggregation to make sure all these numbers are perfect because we totally understand how much focus is on us right now and how important this is to our country and really to our nation.

00:47:00.000 And we want to make sure that everything we do is as spot on, as accurate as possible.

00:47:07.000 Thank you very much.

00:47:09.000 I'd like to interject to something at this time that I wanted actually to say in our opening remarks, just for the record, because we do know that there's been some misinformation out there.

00:47:20.000 And we have said from the day one, and I'm glad to see some of my fellow senators here in the audience with us because it is our entire Republican Senate body that wanted to pursue this.

00:47:29.000 The important thing that we wanted to make sure everybody knew, which we told you as well in the very beginning, is this is not about Trump.

00:47:38.000 This is not about overturning the election.

00:47:40.000 This has never been about anything other than election integrity.

00:47:45.000 This is the epitome of what America stands for.

00:47:50.000 And if we do not have faith and confidence in our electoral process, then everything we do in life is jeopardized.

00:48:00.000 There was a poll that was recently done that 45% of people in Arizona, according to that poll, believe that we have serious problems with our elections.

00:48:10.000 Whether that is true or not, whether they are rumors, unfound accusations, or legitimate problems for whatever reason, as a Senate body, we felt that it was our obligation and our duty to answer our voters,

00:48:25.000 our constituents, answer those questions, and either confirm what they were afraid of or thought or heard, or that we prove that those things were not true so that they could go back to the polls and they could vote with confidence knowing that their ballot is sacred.

00:48:43.000 I just wanted to make sure that everybody is fully aware that this is all this is about is an election integrity.

00:48:50.000 And are we following the rules?

00:48:51.000 Are we following the procedures?

00:48:53.000 Have we done everything we possibly can to make sure these are fair, clean, honest elections?

00:49:00.000 If we do find anything, not us, but you as a vendor, if you do find anything of whether we can pass laws that would help ensure that we have more integrity in the future, if our procedures perhaps are lacking in some way, this is a great opportunity for us to be able to say, let's fix that, because that's what the Senate body does.

00:49:23.000 We pass laws.

00:49:25.000 We have accomplished this because the Constitution gives us the right to subpoena information for the purpose of passing laws.

00:49:33.000 And with that information, it gives us the tools to be able to either tweak existing legislation or create new legislation to make sure that the sanctity is always there.

00:49:44.000 So I just wanted that on the record.

00:49:47.000 Mr. Bennett, I am going to go to you next.

00:49:51.000 I want to hear, thank you so much.

00:49:54.000 You have volunteered your time for many, many weeks here, free of charge.

00:49:59.000 And with your past experience, it was great to have you step up to the plate and offer to be our Senate liaison, particularly since we were still in session and we could not be there.

00:50:11.000 Because of your expertise as being a past Secretary of State of Arizona and a Senate president prior to me, I would like to get your take.

00:50:22.000 And we would like to know what happened when the ballots arrived, what was the process you observed, and help us walk through that stage.

00:50:30.000 So I'm turning it over to you at this point.

00:50:32.000 Okay.

00:50:34.000 And I should start probably by thanking others who have assisted me in the liaison process.

00:50:40.000 Julie Fisher, Randy Pullen, John Brakey, Brandon Slayton, and probably others have been a tremendous help in overseeing this process and interfacing between the Senate and the audit.

00:50:56.000 So, I'll speak primarily to the chain of custody.

00:51:00.000 We received the ballots and the equipment on two days, April 202nd of this year.

00:51:08.000 The equipment arrived mostly on the 21st, and I think there were a couple pallets that came with the ballots on the 22nd.

00:51:17.000 Compliments to Maricopa County, they were very professional in the transfer of the chain of custody from them to us.

00:51:26.000 Co-elections director Scott Jarrett was very professional along with several of his staff that helped in that process.

00:51:34.000 We received 1,691 boxes of mostly ballots but other items.

00:51:42.000 Mr. Jarrett and his staff's help, we worked through every one of those and checked every box.

00:51:47.000 We worked through some minor discrepancies that we resolved.

00:51:53.000 There were 26 mismarked boxes.

00:51:56.000 There were eight boxes present on the pallets that were not on the manifests.

00:52:01.000 There were a couple boxes on manifests that were not present.

00:52:06.000 I think there were three boxes that were on different pallet numbers than the manifest indicated they were, but we located them on other pallets.

00:52:15.000 Of those 1,691 boxes, they arrived on 46 pallets.

00:52:21.000 Two of the boxes were data cards, hard drives, fobs, other things that we transferred over to Ben Cotton's group for the data analysis.

00:52:32.000 In the process of doing the audit, some personally identifying information was discovered in two boxes, kind of stuffed in with the ballots.

00:52:45.000 I think it's the kind of the practice of a county as large as Maricopa, where you have multiple, you know, thousands of boxes.

00:52:56.000 They have to make sure that those boxes are filled to the brim so that if that box ends up on the bottom row of a pallet, stacked on top of each other, that they can hold the weight.

00:53:07.000 So they kind of build bricks, as one of my assistants kind of calls it, where you make sure that the boxes are full.

00:53:14.000 And in a couple of the boxes, we found a variety of counter slips, I think, was the first box that we ran into.

00:53:24.000 And the auditors took great care in making sure that no personally identifiable information was compromised.

00:53:31.000 So we took personally identifiable information out of two boxes and segregated those in their own two boxes.

00:53:39.000 We found personally identifiable information in the spoiled ballot boxes, and that ended up creating 16 new boxes of EII, as we called it, in two of the Braille Yuokava ballots, and even some other ballots.

00:54:03.000 I think Doug might talk to that in a little more detail of those.

00:54:07.000 So we separated those, and that created two more boxes.

00:54:13.000 And then eventually, Cipher, after going through the equipment, returned the two data boxes that they had.

00:54:20.000 So we went from 1,691 boxes at the beginning, 1,711 boxes on 47 pallets.

00:54:29.000 As far as the equipment, we received the nine volume scanner machines, four called HIPROS and five Cannons, 20 adjudication stations, four EMS workstations, and the EMS server, along with some other miscellaneous equipment.

00:54:50.000 That was on 16 pallets.

00:54:52.000 Again, we received that on April 21st.

00:54:55.000 Every box on the pallet was co-signed by Mr. Jarrett and myself, as were the 1,691 boxes that I mentioned earlier.

00:55:05.000 We also received precinct tabulators.

00:55:09.000 Those were on 24 pallets, well, not pallets, I guess you would call them racks or rolling carts.

00:55:19.000 And so we identified each and every one of those by serial number.

00:55:26.000 The nine high volume machine station, the 20 adjudication stations, the four EMS workstations, and the EMS server, Mr. Cotton's company collected the forensic data off those, and he'll speak to how they did that to make sure that Mr. Benner, if I could just interject, could you tell everybody what EMS is?

00:55:45.000 I'm sorry.

00:55:46.000 EMS is the election management system.

00:55:49.000 Okay.

00:55:49.000 Thank you.

00:55:54.000 Ben will speak to how they collected that data using equipment that could read only and do no damage to the original evidence that the copies were made from.

00:56:07.000 But the high-volume machines, the adjudication stations, the election management system workstations and servers were returned.

00:56:14.000 So we had the equipment about nine days, or at least those pieces of equipment.

00:56:21.000 We would have returned the other 385 precinct tabulators, but I think Ben will speak to that as well.

00:56:27.000 We still do have the precinct tabulators.

00:56:30.000 Both the equipment and the ballots were in locked cages during the entire time that we have possessed the ballots and equipment with limited access.

00:56:41.000 I think most of the time there are probably maybe two people that had keys to the ballot corrals we call them.

00:56:53.000 We also had 24-hour guarded armed security both inside and outside of the building.

00:56:59.000 We had 24-7 live stream on the ballots and the equipment during the entire time that they've been in our possession.

00:57:07.000 Doug spoke earlier that that's a very significant part of the two petabytes or whatever you said was of data that we have collected.

00:57:17.000 While we have had the machines and the ballots in our custody, we have continuous and complete chain of custody on every box and every machine.

00:57:30.000 Even and especially during the time when we had to move over to the Wesley Boland building and store the ballots and machines while the Coliseum was used for the high school graduations, the return back to the Coliseum, and now we're back at the Wesley Boland.

00:57:47.000 But during all that process, we have had continuous and complete chain of custody while everything has been in our possession.

00:57:54.000 It was shown on the video that every time a box moved somewhere on the floor, it was signed out by somebody in the corral to somebody who took it to a table.

00:58:05.000 It was received at that table by signature.

00:58:07.000 So every time a box moved, two people signed for it and then the reverse when it was returned.

00:58:16.000 And just kind of for your information, when we returned these boxes, most of what we received were boxes sealed with regular packing tape.

00:58:28.000 I think there were 52 boxes that were used in the hand count audit by Maricopa County that were sealed with tamper evident tape, but the other 1,600 and some odd boxes were just sealed with regular packing tape.

00:58:41.000 It's our intent and commitment that when we return everything to Maricopa County that we will reseal the boxes and as the video stated, we've gone to great lengths to make sure that the same ballots that were in the boxes when we received them are in the same boxes when we return them.

00:59:00.000 And I think in the same order that we found them.

00:59:04.000 When we close these boxes in the next few weeks and return them to Maricopa County, we will do so with tamper evident tape to seal the boxes and then a numbered seal across the top opening that will be recorded with each box so that there's a tamper evident tape and a numbered seal that will be on every box that we return.

00:59:30.000 And I think that speaks primarily to the chain of custody.

00:59:37.000 At some point when we talk about things that maybe we ought to be considering as far as statutory changes or improvements, I can talk about some of the things that the election procedures manual of the state of Arizona and our state statutes require as far as the storage and security of ballots.

00:59:58.000 Can we go ahead and do that?

01:00:00.000 Since we're on the subject of chain of custody and storage?

01:00:04.000 Well, one of the things that we subpoena that has not been provided is the chain of custody that should have been created when ballots were received by Maricopa County and while they were going through the process of the election.

01:00:20.000 If you go to Chapter 8, I think it's V 5, Roman Numeral 5, Subsection E, Storage and Security of Ballots, it reads that official ballots must be inventoried upon receipt and prior to distribution to voting locations.

01:00:42.000 Item 3, well, item 2 is they must be accessed by election staff only to the extent necessary to perform their authorized task.

01:00:49.000 A key one though is third, they must be stored in locked, secured location that prevents unauthorized access as we have done.

01:00:56.000 And in that number three it says it must be documented with a written log or with electronic keypad access that indicates the date, time, and identity of the person accessing the ballots.

01:01:07.000 Fourth, must be witnessed by two or more election staff members of different political parties if possible when being moved or transferred, which includes an inventory of the ballots before and after the move or transfer.

01:01:19.000 And then the last item is very important as well since we use ballot on demand printers in many of the counties around Arizona that the officer in charge of elections shall also implement reasonable security procedures for auditing and accountability of blank ballot stock for use with on-demand printers.

01:01:38.000 So part of what we have been trying to get in addition to the ballots themselves is a chain of custody from the very beginning of the process when the county took ballot stock and or pre-printed ballots from their vendors and a chain of custody ever since then which is still forthcoming.

01:02:00.000 That was on the original subpoena and we have not received it.

01:02:04.000 Madam President, just if I may, Mr. Bennett, what's been the response when you've asked for that?

01:02:12.000 What did the county tell you?

01:02:14.000 They've provided us what they're going to provide us with.

01:02:17.000 Okay.

01:02:18.000 So are you saying they're refusing to give us that information at this point?

01:02:24.000 They every time I've tried to interact with the folks at the Elections Department, I've been told that I need to deal with the county attorney's office.

01:02:34.000 And most of that time I've received kind of the answer that we gave you everything we're going to give you.

01:02:44.000 I'm trying not to be flippant, but that's.

01:02:47.000 We appreciate that.

01:02:50.000 As the past Secretary of State, I know you're familiar with the handling of ballots.

01:02:54.000 I know that a couple months ago, Senator Peterson and I had our first update briefing, and there were some things mentioned about bags that are sealed at some point and apparently unsealed at some point.

01:03:09.000 There were boxes that you opened and there were broken seals at the bottom.

01:03:12.000 Could you explain, to the best of your ability, how are ballots supposed to be handled and treated from when they're at the voting centers or at the polling stations and when you receive those ballots and you open those boxes, what did you find?

01:03:29.000 Could you walk us through what we should be looking for?

01:03:33.000 Well, in many of the boxes, we found pretty much very little existence of any ballot batch sheets that would describe how many ballots should be found in their batches.

01:03:51.000 Maricopa County processed the election in 2,341, excuse me, 10,341 batches.

01:03:58.000 Most of their batches were right around 200, but they had 20-some batches that were one ballot per batch, and they had other batches of ballots, mostly from the voting centers, that were around 1,000 in a batch.

01:04:18.000 Some of the boxes, you would see a batch number on the outside of the box identifying it as Election Day, so it came from a polling location.

01:04:27.000 And if there was just one number, then you would infer from that that there's only one batch in there, and it was a large batch from a voting location.

01:04:36.000 As ballots are processed at the voting locations, I think Maricopa had 171, I believe, voting centers.

01:04:47.000 When those are processed, they're bagged and locked in sealed bags and sent down to the central county location.

01:04:56.000 They are opened again there, and when they are put in the boxes, we found some of the cut seals and things like that.

01:05:02.000 So the fact that we found some cut seals was probably it was easier to throw them in the bottom of the box than throw them in the trash can somewhere, and it doesn't speak to anything violative of state law or election procedures manual, but that apparently is the way that some of the people disposed of the of the seals.

01:05:22.000 It came from the bags at the voting centers.

01:05:25.000 The ballots that are handled at the central count, which is the vast majority of the ballots in Maricopa County's situation.

01:05:34.000 Of the 2.1 million or actually 2,089,563 ballots that were processed, approximately 1.9 million were processed through the mail and therefore at central locations, and about a hundred and sixty eight thousand ballots were processed at the other, at the 171 polling locations.

01:05:59.000 When, when those ballots are put in those boxes in some cases we found pink sheets, we and they Maricopa County called them.

01:06:11.000 That would say below this pink sheet there should be 200 ballots, but two were taken to duplication and so there should be 198.

01:06:20.000 As was reported earlier, and I think Doug may speak to it again, there were some discrepancy or quite a few discrepancies found, but it was later discovered that the county has blue sheets that are used at a different point in the process to identify a time in their process where ballots are again sent to duplication and so the blue sheets explain that the pink sheets would go from 200 to minus 2 to 198.

01:06:49.000 A blue sheet might get you from 198 to.

01:06:52.000 We sent another six or seven to duplication so the the number would change again.

01:06:57.000 But, mr Bennett, to that point, what uh?

01:07:02.000 Were you given the blue sheets?

01:07:03.000 Have we been given the blue sheets?

01:07:05.000 We were not given the blue sheets by Maricopa County but we were able to get the blue sheets through uh, one of the assistant liaisons organizations, Audit USA out of Tucson, who requested by public records request the blue sheets and then provided those to the audit and I think they've been helpful.

01:07:27.000 Doug may speak to that a little further.

01:07:29.000 As to explaining some of the discrepancies that are not entirely explained by the pink sheets that we sometimes found in the box, sometimes we would open a box and all the pink sheets would be stuffed down the side vertically and you really at that point had no idea of where you would insert those pink sheets in between batches of ballots to account for the sum of the ballots in the box.

01:07:55.000 I think a lot of this may stem from standard procedure where we've not done many audits and most counties have put things in boxes knowing that they're going to be sealed up, put on pallets shrink-wrapped, and put in a warehouse for 22 months and then destroyed, and usually nothing nothing or nobody's ever being looked at or looking at them.

01:08:20.000 In this case, I think we we have discovered that we could probably use a little beefing up in our election procedures, manual and or state statutes as to how things are documented and stored in an organized, consistent fashion in boxes in case other audits are done in the future.

01:08:43.000 But there's no.

01:08:45.000 I can find no election procedures manual manual, directives or state law that says you have to put them in the boxes in this specific way, but that may be something that we need to look at.

01:08:59.000 Anything else that you want to add at this point?

01:09:10.000 Yeah, the only other thing I guess that I was personally involved in on a couple of occasions not the only other thing, but an other thing that I was called to one of the counting tables is when we started opening duplicate ballots.

01:09:28.000 There was almost one whole pallet of Ballots that were called original/slash, damaged ballots, sent to duplication, and then there was quite a few boxes, mostly on one pallet, but scattered amongst three or four other pallets where the duplicates were supposedly there for the duplicates that were sent to duplication.

01:09:47.000 So, if a ballot gets damaged and has to be sent to duplication, there is a very specific process in the election procedures manual, chapter 10, Roman numeral 2, section 3, procedures for duplicating a ballot.

01:10:03.000 This stems precisely from ARS 16621A, which says that they are to record an identical serial number on both the original and duplicate ballot, including spoiled duplicates.

01:10:15.000 This ties the ballots together and creates a paper trail as required by the statute ARS 16621A.

01:10:22.000 We found, I would have to say, thousands of duplicate ballots where those serial numbers are not on them.

01:10:35.000 And so, it has created great difficulty to try to match up a duplicated ballot to its duplicate.

01:10:45.000 And on thousands of the ones that a serial number was put on, they were put on by a, I guess you would call it like a dot matrix printer, very, very light.

01:10:58.000 And unfortunately, they ended up being printed on the ballot on the top, usually top right part of the ballot, where the black square alignment marks are on the ballot.

01:11:11.000 And so, if a very light gray number is printed on little black boxes that are a quarter of an inch apart, you see one number and you miss the next, and you see the number and you miss two.

01:11:25.000 And it made for some very difficult matching of duplicated ballots and their duplicates, which, as I just read to you, one of the most important things you need to do when you duplicate ballots is reflect a serial number on both the duplicate and the duplicated so that you can do two main things: one, make sure you have one for every one of the other, and two,

01:11:49.000 make sure that you can look at the votes reflected on the duplicated ballot and make sure that they reflected those correctly from the ballot that was damaged and was duplicated.

01:12:01.000 So, without those serial numbers, it gets very difficult.

01:12:05.000 We found some nice bright red serial numbers on many, but some very difficult to deal with light black numbers on many others and none whatsoever on many others.

01:12:18.000 If the corresponding numbers aren't on there, how would you know whether it was duplicated once or ten times?

01:12:24.000 You wouldn't.

01:12:25.000 Okay, thank you.

01:12:27.000 Unless you meticulously kept track of the total number in each group, which I think Doug's organization has done to see if the totals match at least.

01:12:40.000 You said that when we return these ballots, I am hoping that you guys will help make sure that they are given to the Arizona County Treasurer.

01:12:51.000 It's my understanding that it's my understanding that our statutes say that they're supposed to be turned over to the treasurer at a certain point, and they were not.

01:13:05.000 Are you well aware of that as well?

01:13:09.000 Yes.

01:13:10.000 Yes, okay.

01:13:11.000 When we return those, you mentioned that you were going to put tamper evidence tape with a numbered seal on that.

01:13:19.000 You also mentioned that everything you have done you have put back in order and you mentioned everything was has been filmed with all of these petabytes of stuff.

01:13:30.000 So if anybody opens those boxes, we will know that somebody has opened those boxes.

01:13:37.000 And everything that you have just said, and if anybody needs to see that themselves, upon court order or whatever, we will be able to not only view that on film, video, but we could also go to the physical evidence and break that seal, hopefully under court order, and go directly to exactly where you have said this has happened.

01:14:02.000 Is that correct?

01:14:03.000 Great.

01:14:03.000 Yes.

01:14:04.000 Thank you.

01:14:05.000 Mr. Peterson, Senator Peterson, I'll turn this over to you.

01:14:05.000 Okay.

01:14:08.000 Thank you.

01:14:09.000 Yeah, Madam President, I'd like to jump into the cybersecurity, the digital evidence, if I may, if that's okay with you.

01:14:21.000 Mr. Cotton, what so far has been completed for the digital forensics portion of the audit?

01:14:32.000 So we have completed the forensics acquisition of all of the items that Mr. Bennett just mentioned that were provided to us by the county.

01:14:40.000 And I'd like to take a moment to walk through that process a bit to help everyone understand the forensics fidelity and the standard of care that we took to ensure that there were zero, and I repeat, zero changes to any of the original media or devices.

01:14:59.000 Okay, go ahead.

01:15:01.000 So as part of the imaging process, first of all, chain of custody is extremely important as we previously discussed with the ballots.

01:15:12.000 That standard of care also was transferred into the digital imaging and preservation of that data.

01:15:20.000 So upon receiving each of these digital devices, we filled out an evidence acquisition form that started the initial chain of custody for the acquisition within the digital forensics and analysis piece of this audit.

01:15:39.000 On that form, we carefully recorded all of the serial numbers.

01:15:43.000 We then leveraged what is known in the industry as a write-block device.

01:15:49.000 Now, a write-block device is used, and as a matter of fact...

01:15:54.000 How is Wright spelled?

01:15:57.000 So Wright, W-R-I-T.

01:15:58.000 Right, as in right. 0.93

01:15:59.000 As in right.

01:16:00.000 And the sole purpose of this device is to prevent any modification of the original evidence that is plugged into it.

01:16:11.000 This is accepted within our judicial system as the methodology needed to be utilized for anything to be admitted into court and to maintain that standard of care for the digital forensics chain of custody.

01:16:27.000 As part of that acquisition, we then took a bit-for-bit copy, forensics copy, of each of the digital devices.

01:16:37.000 At the end of that copy, we applied what is known as a MD5, a Machine Digest 5 hash value to that acquisition.

01:16:50.000 Now, when you think about that, it is a digital fingerprint of that evidence that we just acquired.

01:16:57.000 If anyone changes even one bit of data within that evidence file, it will totally invalidate the MD5 and create a totally new signature on that particular piece of evidence.

01:17:12.000 So for every device that Mr. Bennett mentioned that we imaged, we performed that exact process.

01:17:19.000 We know who imaged it, we know when they imaged it, we know where it was imaged to, and that is a controlled item within our evidence and chain of custody handling procedure.

01:17:31.000 We then took those digital copies and we maintained one of those digital copies as primary evidence.

01:17:41.000 And so we locked that away in a U.S. government GSA approved safe to ensure that no one would access it and that it is there as the primary evidence for the basis of our analysis.

01:17:55.000 We then created examination copies that we have used for the determination of the cybersecurity status and other aspects of those systems.

01:18:10.000 So I must reiterate, not a single bit of data was ever changed on any device that came into our possession.

01:18:21.000 So Madam President, Mr. Cotton, are you saying that the machines were not damaged or tampered with in any way where they couldn't be used again?

01:18:37.000 And if they were, you have implemented the people could check and see whether that was done.

01:18:47.000 Senator, that is correct.

01:18:49.000 So we have exactly a bit-for-bit image of these systems as we received them.

01:18:58.000 We did not modify, we did not change any chips, we did not access anything other than the hard drives for those systems.

01:19:09.000 So if there were any changes to the original equipment, those had to have occurred within the custody of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, not with the custody of the auditors.

01:19:26.000 Okay.

01:19:27.000 Mr. Peterson, Senator Peterson, may I ask a question?

01:19:29.000 Yeah, of course.

01:19:31.000 Mr. Cotton.

01:19:32.000 Well, we're trying to keep this official.

01:19:34.000 Mr. Cotton, recently in the news, I don't know if you have heard or not, but our Secretary of State, Katie Hobbs, made a statement a few weeks ago that she would not allow these machines to be used again because she could not verify that we had not, you, not us, you had tampered with them.

01:19:57.000 I don't understand the election goes on to make sure that those machines haven't been tampered with, that they are calibrated correctly, and I believe they do that also after an election.

01:20:10.000 So I have this question.

01:20:13.000 I don't understand.

01:20:14.000 How can the Secretary of State say that she can't certify the machines weren't tampered with when supposedly we have people that certified people that come in to certify machines aren't tampered with?

01:20:26.000 It doesn't make sense.

01:20:27.000 Could you explain that to me, please?

01:20:31.000 Madam President, I certainly understand your confusion and I share that with you.

01:20:36.000 I'd like to also reiterate that as part of our evidence handling procedure, we had cameras watching over our evidence storage facilities and our acquisition and replication procedures 24-7.

01:20:54.000 So any form of tampering certainly would have been caught on video.

01:20:59.000 However, we did not do anything of the sort that would have interfered with any of the machine configurations or any of the allegated tampering that the Secretary of State has alleged.

01:21:20.000 Madam President, if I may, just this is more of just, I think, a comment or a statement along with your concern here.

01:21:29.000 And I think this could be something we need to look at legislatively.

01:21:34.000 If we have a process, and from what I've heard, it's about $8,000.

01:21:39.000 You know, the county did an audit for $8,000 or $20,000, whatever it was, to certify and make sure that machines were not tampered with.

01:21:49.000 And this is also part of a process before an election.

01:21:52.000 If that process doesn't work, then, and we're saying that is not valid because somebody doing an audit ruins that and you can't recertify it.

01:22:06.000 It sounds like that we need to have something else.

01:22:11.000 There needs to be another process that works.

01:22:15.000 That you truly, maybe it's the truly certification and verification that machines have not been tampered with process.

01:22:22.000 I don't know what it's called.

01:22:23.000 But anyways, I share your concern.

01:22:26.000 I think that's a good bullet point for us to be looking at for future legislation.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - July 16, 2021

EXPLOSIVE Arizona Audit Update + the Human Toll of a Politicized FBI

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