00:02:20.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:02:26.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:03:07.000There is a lot happening, and I want to encourage everyone listening to take $2 a month, which is basically what it costs, $25 a year with our promo code, to be able to know where you are spending money and how that aligns with your values, which is why we're doing this partnership, because it's really important.
00:03:24.000The corporate space in the culture war is incredibly critical right now.
00:03:29.000So I want to talk first about American Express, which according to all public news reports, they urge their staff to adopt a hierarchy putting marginalized above privilege to abolish capitalism.
00:03:40.000Strange how American Express wants to crush capitalism.
00:03:48.000You know, here we have for-profit enterprises adopting really a set of policies that are only going to cause harm to who we are as a people, to our country, ultimately to even their own business.
00:04:03.000But the American Express, this training program that they're putting their employees through is breaking everybody up into tribes.
00:04:12.000You know, we're supposed to come together as a single people from many different places, but this is truly a practice.
00:04:21.000This is a program that is designed to differentiate people and place them into these different groups and then pit them against each other.
00:04:29.000But the American Express program also has anti-law enforcement in it.
00:04:35.000They have a program of advocating for no law enforcement, no prisons, no consequence to actions.
00:04:42.000It's absolutely an incredible destructive program that they are engaged in.
00:04:52.000Andrew, you had that article pulled up about how American Express waged war on itself.
00:04:56.000Yeah, this is the headline from an article, actually from Heritage.
00:05:00.000So I have to give proper attribution here.
00:05:02.000American Express wages a woke war on itself.
00:05:06.000It's embarked on racial justice initiatives, including woke employee training programs.
00:05:12.000Executives are being asked to disregard their real world experience.
00:05:16.000That sounds like a recipe for success, Dr. Black.
00:05:20.000And virtually everything they've been taught about economics.
00:05:23.000Also, sounds like a recipe for success.
00:05:25.000I think we're seeing that in our inflation statistics recently with the Biden administration, but I digress.
00:05:32.000And I don't want to get ahead of ourselves here because later in this interview, we're going to talk about the scoring system that you guys have on secondvote.com.
00:05:43.000And by the way, one quick note that they gave me actually is that you don't have to type in 2ndvote.com.
00:05:49.000You can actually just spell it out too.
00:06:04.000Like I said, I don't want to get ahead of ourselves here because we are going to get to this self-scoring tool that you guys have on your website, which is fantastic.
00:06:13.000But American Express is just like basically awful across the board.
00:06:17.000I mean, it blew me away because I actually picked American Express as the company that I might use for a certain thing.
00:06:25.000And it was like the lowest score that you guys give a company, American Express gets.
00:06:30.000I mean, this is this, so it's not just CRT.
00:06:33.000It's not just, I mean, apparently they're just awful across the board.
00:06:37.000Maybe, maybe you could explain to us more about that.
00:06:39.000Now, if you've been following Second Vote, we could have told you for years that they're not a good actor and they have scored terribly on our issues that we track, the Judeo-Christian issues that we track.
00:06:50.000And so, yeah, they are self-destructive.
00:06:52.000I mean, what company really engages in actively and enthusiastically supporting abortion?
00:07:00.000You know, don't you want more customers?
00:07:45.000Well, and it goes up because a lot of our side doesn't really understand the corporate warfare side.
00:07:50.000So, should people stop using American Express?
00:07:52.000I say yes, but I will be honest, though, for a lot of the high-net worth people that we deal with, there really isn't a competitor to American Express.
00:07:59.000Capital One is the largest credit card company with over 40 million users.
00:08:04.000Is there a competitor to American Express?
00:08:06.000I mean, American Express has an ability to cater to the needs and wants of America's ruling class a lot better than any other credit card, like Visa.
00:08:28.000You know, one of the things we don't advocate at second vote boycotts, but what we want is engagement.
00:08:34.000And so we can plead with our subscribers and our followers, go to our website, and through our website, you can communicate to American Express.
00:08:44.000You can send them a message directly through our website, and you can tell them you don't like their engagement, what they're doing socially, and let them know.
00:08:53.000And of course, we haven't talked about second vote advisors yet, but through your invested dollars, you can also put pressure on American Express.
00:09:01.000And there you can remove your investments out of American Express, move them somewhere else into a better corporation.
00:09:08.000But with regard to the spending dollar, if you have to use American Express, you can still express your opinion on their engagement.
00:09:16.000And I would communicate to them what they're doing now is they're teaching that not everybody is equal.
00:09:54.000So I don't know if we shared that part of our story, but Diane and I founded a business with a $70,000 loan and with four employees, and it became a $700 million business with 1,000 employees.
00:10:06.000And, you know, the purpose of the business is to provide a return on investment to your investors, provide the best products and profits you can, and provide the best salary and benefits you can to your employees.
00:10:20.000And it's certainly not to take your resources and use them for social engineering.
00:10:24.000That sounds very 2018 of you, Dr. Black, unfortunately.
00:10:31.000So we want to get to Bank of America and Lowe's sponsored critical.
00:10:35.000Yeah, I was just going to make an observation that American Express, American Airlines, Bank of America, all of these companies that use the American name, they'll get rid of it soon, I'm sure.
00:11:04.000Well, again, this is again putting race over merit.
00:11:10.000This is, again, attempting to shame individuals who are born white.
00:11:16.000How are you going to change how God created you?
00:11:22.000It is a, again, it's a racist approach.
00:11:25.000It's very much, you know, all these corporations are fundamentally in the same business, but Bank of America is another bad actor.
00:11:33.000We're still waiting for an answer from a shareholders meeting some years ago where their CEO denied from the podium that they were sponsors or supporters of abortion.
00:12:18.000These are not just American companies.
00:12:20.000And they are very much in alignment with what Communist China is doing, what the Davis Group is doing, with the World Economic Forum.
00:12:27.000These are no longer American companies.
00:12:29.000That's why these big box international companies are so much of a concern or should be to Main Street America and small town America.
00:12:38.000And I think it's really important for the people to understand that if we start to get stronger, and when we get stronger, our voice will be loud enough that they will be pressured to make those changes.
00:12:50.000If everybody's sitting back and just allowing these things to go on and not making any noise, it's only going to get worse.
00:12:56.000And so that's what our message is to people as well, is to please wake up and listen because many times conservatives, and I've been in both the government end of this and also just in the community end of this.
00:13:09.000And many times people don't have any idea or realize.
00:13:12.000And when we tell them about what's happening with their dollars, they're like, oh, no, you got to be kidding me.
00:13:24.000Please take an opportunity to look at secondvote.com and see what's going on.
00:13:28.000And if it fits your values, then act on those values.
00:13:31.000Yeah, the problem though that I've found, and Home Depot is better than Lowe's, but there's just not many competitors with some of these.
00:13:37.000Like, for example, let's just go back to the credit card.
00:13:39.000What credit card is someone supposed to use?
00:13:42.000Visa, MasterCard, American Express, they're all terrible.
00:13:45.000You know, so that's part of the issue, isn't it?
00:13:47.000Is that at least the feedback we're receiving is people say, well, when you have these kind of oligopolies, like, for example, Delta United American, they're all bad.
00:13:56.000I guess it's just a matter of picking the best of the worst.
00:14:00.000Well, and I think, you know, it's got to be by category is really what we're finding, right?
00:14:06.000It's like some categories, there's better alternatives than other categories.
00:14:10.000If we find the category where there isn't a good alternative, then somebody needs to rise up.
00:14:14.000I mean, that's, that's, you know, we're seeing this emergence of these parallel economies, you know, where companies end up, you know, catering specifically to a conservative audience because they're getting, you know, conservatives are getting so targeted by the competition.
00:14:31.000Nobody wants it to be this way where it's open, openly hostile to half the country.
00:14:35.000But it certainly seems like there's a trend going on in America right now.
00:14:39.000And maybe the only way to reverse that trend is to openly declare war on some of these companies by at least and by I say that I say that, you know, obviously not metaphorically.
00:14:51.000Anyways, but that's by supporting these entrepreneurs and the alternatives that we have to support, making them wildly successful.
00:14:59.000You know, Second Vote was founded to follow the money, but the left recognized many years ago the value of influencing the dollar.
00:15:07.000And they have pretty much taken over the investment services, the banking world.
00:15:13.000They've been very, very biggie, biggie, very, very busy while we've been trying to raise families and grow businesses and just be Americans.
00:15:26.000But they've been very busy with their agenda.
00:15:29.000They've been busy getting very big, which is absolutely true.
00:15:33.000And we've actually, this is actually where the mission of Turning Point USA and Second Vote kind of merge because what happens in college campuses and now increasingly in high schools and even earlier than that has bled into corporate boardrooms in the halls of Congress.
00:15:47.000And this is what you get when you sort of lose a whole generation.
00:15:51.000And this is what has sort of creeped up on Americans overnight, this rise of the corporate villains is directly linked to losing a whole generation of understanding that the free market system is important, American values are important, families, tradition, all of these things are foundational to our country.
00:16:10.000And that's why what you guys are doing is so incredibly important.
00:16:13.000Well, I know we have to move on, but I do want to make one comment about Bank of America again: they are teaching that prejudice against whites now is not racism.
00:16:22.000You know, now racism is not racism if they say it's not racism.
00:16:30.000And Charlie, you make a really good point that sometimes there really isn't a good option.
00:16:34.000But the other option that you have is to get on the website on our site and have an ability to be able to contact the company.
00:16:41.000And when they start getting lots and lots of calls in about not liking the way they're operating and the choices that they're making with their dollars, with the people's dollars, then those voices start getting louder and louder and they start to pay attention to that.
00:16:57.000I know when I was in Congress, if you got five calls about an issue, you started realizing there are a whole lot more than five people out there that don't like what you're doing.
00:17:05.000And I think that's another thing that we can do when there aren't really good choices.
00:17:09.000Let's pick up the phone and let them know we don't like the way you're operating.
00:17:12.000And they don't know that necessarily we are not going to find another option.
00:17:15.000But I think if we do get a big enough voice, it does make a difference.
00:17:19.000Well, and you've taught us in the last episode that this does make a difference.
00:17:22.000And they do hear your complaints, even if they kind of stonewall you, that it does make its way in.
00:17:27.000And look, I mean, we need to declare all-out kind of corporate, I mean, warfare is the right word, metaphorical, and try to break the back of these companies.
00:17:38.000I mean, so I just looked at secondvote.com here.
00:18:28.000It was a great segue because the third company you guys want to talk about is Subway, which is actually an example of how people can rise up and cause a fundamental shift in marketing, branding, communications.
00:18:46.000Well, Subway, of course, has gone woke.
00:18:49.000And we are encouraging people because these are individual franchises.
00:18:54.000Now, of course, they do have a major umbrella over top of them, but they are basically owned by your neighbors, by people in your community.
00:19:03.000And if you go in and tell them that you don't like what's going on with what happened with Rebino and her not honoring our country and our flag, then you will see that they will start telling the corporate that, hey, look, I'm having a problem.
00:19:58.000Yes, and we need to support these franchisees.
00:20:02.000We need to do whatever we can do to support them, but also leave a message with your local franchisee owner when you go to Subway and ask them to join the effort with other franchisee owners to push back on corporate.
00:20:17.000So at the recording of this interview, the ad campaign has not been discontinued, but a larger and larger number of these franchisees are starting to rise up and voice their concern.
00:20:29.000It's been a challenge to deal with franchised corporations because as Diane mentioned, a lot of times your franchise owners locally are conservative.
00:20:39.000They're not in alignment with what corporate is doing.
00:20:42.000But it's wonderful to see franchisees beginning to speak up.
00:20:46.000And unfortunately, Subway doesn't have, we link into a lot of corporate headquarters, so you can communicate directly with corporate headquarters.
00:20:55.000But Subway is structured in a way that they make that more difficult.
00:20:58.000So we need to help support the franchisees however we can and encourage other franchise owners to join the ones that are already pushing back to corporate.
00:22:51.000And we can also help, again, support these franchisees that are pushing back.
00:22:55.000Interesting that that's kind of being exposed here is that this is a way to affect these larger companies is to really target the, as you said, Congresswoman, that this is, these are our neighbors.
00:23:31.000I just want to make sure that that's clear to everybody listening.
00:23:33.000So they just Ben and Jerry's decided to stop selling ice cream in the West Bank, and now franchisees are again rising up, which is which is a vulnerability in these large companies.
00:24:35.000So let's go to Delta Airlines, which is the one that's in the news right now, where Delta Airlines is saying that they're going to basically fine employees $200 a month if they don't take the highly questionable Chinese coronavirus vaccine, which is most of their black workers, by the way.
00:25:05.000Charlie, this is the craziest thing I have ever seen.
00:25:07.000And I've been a nurse for over 50 years and always understood immunizations.
00:25:11.000So someone has the virus and they have developed a natural immunity to it.
00:25:17.000And I have the virus, and every six weeks I give blood to the American Red Cross and I get my report back that says I have antibodies, and yet I can't be considered safe.
00:25:25.000When did medicine ever get to this place where because I have natural immunity, it's not good enough?
00:25:31.000I've got to go and get a Pfizer or whichever one of the other immunizations, which, by the way, we know is less than 50% reliable at this point in time.
00:25:42.000And we ask questions, Dave and I, both having been in medicine for so many years, and can't get a good, solid answer about why things are the way they are.
00:25:51.000So you've got to question: what is going here, going on here?
00:25:55.000What is happening where medicine that we have known for at least all of our careers is not really medicine?
00:26:01.000There's something behind this that is very suspicious.
00:26:05.000Well, it is very difficult to discern.
00:26:07.000Natural immunity is better than vaccinations.
00:26:13.000And we're seeing now this need for booster shots, which does also testify to the fact these vaccination products are not as effective.
00:26:23.000Well, Dr. Black, now I just want to establish your credibility for our audience here.
00:26:28.000You are not a doctor in the same way that Dr. Jill Biden is a doctor.
00:26:37.000I mean, we were talking before, just before we started the interview, and your resume is impressive.
00:26:43.000Well, yeah, my appointments are in immunology, bacteriology, pathology, pharmacology, and I'm a toxicologist by specific training, a clinical and forensic toxicologist.
00:26:55.000And there is so much of what's transpired here over the last 18 months, two years, that is very puzzling.
00:27:02.000It's, you know, they keep saying they're following the science, but I'm unaware of any science that says that a mask will stop a viral infection.
00:27:35.000As a toxicologist, I know a lot of stuff that you may not want to know, but I can share it with you anyway.
00:27:40.000A smoker, somebody who smokes, costs the company directly $6,000 a year.
00:27:47.000Now, what I would ask of Delta is: are you charging your employees who smoke $6,000 a year to work for you?
00:27:55.000Because we've got great data that shows what a smoker costs to you.
00:27:59.000So now, if you're saying that these unvaccinated people are such a risk to your company and to the cost of your company, where else are you applying that reason and logic?
00:28:09.000That seems to me a simple, in fact, $200 a month for their employees is certainly never going to cover the alleged $50,000 cost per hospital visit.
00:28:20.000I'd like to see somebody ought to look at statistics on that.
00:28:24.000Well, same with obesity and same with a lot of other comorbidities that, you know, they're not allowed to call out and make much noise about.
00:28:34.000But we call this on this show, and Charlie actually to his credit coin this medical, medical apartheid.
00:28:51.000And now, and now, because there's the racial element that has been inserted into this debate regarding disparities in different races and their vaccination rates, I mean, I think there's a, I think there's, this is a great way probably to use Second Vote is to use it to communicate to Delta and call out that they're targeting their black employees.
00:29:14.000They're targeting the Hispanics as well have lower rates of vaccination.
00:29:21.000That would be a way to use this to use Second Vote.
00:29:29.000And we can because this is a First Amendment issue, too.
00:29:32.000This is, you know, we have alleged rights that are being violated.
00:29:38.000It is, you know, it used to be your health care was decided between you and your physician.
00:29:44.000Now we've got politicians and everybody who sees you in a store and people who don't know your medical condition at all, who, if for some reason, you know, you're not wearing your mask or they know you're not vaccinated, now you're an outcast.
00:29:59.000This is just another means to separate us.
00:30:01.000This is another means to create hatred.
00:30:04.000Everything we've discussed so far, the Bank of America, all of these stories, at the bottom line of a lot of this is what it does is it creates hatred for others and it divides us.
00:30:18.000And there's just a lot of that going on that is at the core because this division and putting this into tribes is going to harm this country maybe irreparably.
00:30:30.000But here's another thing you always need to remember is those of us in the profession like to say, you know, half of all doctors graduated from medical school in the bottom half of their class.
00:30:42.000You know, we often take, oh, they're a doctor, they know everything.
00:30:46.000Well, I spent a career working with medical doctors.
00:30:48.000I can tell you they don't know everything, but boy, they sure like to oftentimes represent they do.
00:30:54.000But I think both of us are willing to see the actual studies and to be shown by the studies exactly what the real answer is.
00:31:04.000And unfortunately, we're not getting that information.
00:31:07.000We're not seeing studies that prove what it is that they're saying.
00:31:10.000And you've got a question, you know, why is it that medicine that we understood for all these past years is just being thrown out the window?
00:31:18.000So, I want to see the real documentation of the studies to show me that somebody who has pure antibodies that they've developed because they had the virus is not as protected as somebody who took an immunization and only gives them 44% to 50% of protection.
00:31:35.000There's something that just doesn't quite match here.
00:32:06.000You know, we are vaccinating children now with a new kind of vaccine, this messenger RNA product.
00:32:15.000And here, I looked up the numbers just the other day, and there are fewer than 400 children under the age of 18 that have allegedly died as a result of COVID.
00:32:30.000But we're vaccinating tens of millions of children for a remarkably small percentage of harm.
00:32:40.000That isn't the practice of medicine as I've known it.
00:32:45.000I don't think you can make the argument that there's been such harm to that population that it justifies using a product that is still quite new.
00:32:54.000You know, these products did not follow the normal pathway of approval.
00:32:59.000And so it just, a lot of this is just not the medicine that we've experienced or I've experienced in my career.
00:33:07.000So I just have one more question on this.
00:33:09.000So you guys are obviously really passionate about this.
00:33:12.000How are you incorporating this mandate madness that we're seeing in our culture?
00:33:16.000How are you incorporating that into the way you score companies?
00:33:21.000Well, again, these are, I think we can argue that these are First Amendment-related issues because people have lost their right to speak.
00:33:34.000We have we're being separated out without any concern that we have the right to differ.
00:33:43.000So we have a number of these different aspects of our society that evolved here very recently that I think we can put into our First Amendment scoring system as we continue to move forward.
00:33:57.000I think that's important for folks listening that they know they can start finding out if companies are mandating craziness through the website.
00:34:06.000If we accept this, what else do we accept that next they mandate us to do that doesn't show scientific information to say that it is for the best interest of the entire population?
00:34:17.000And this is what worries me about this: this is just the beginning.
00:34:21.000If we don't speak up and we don't fight back on this, what else will they mandate us to do to say we had the right to do it with COVID?
00:34:27.000Now we have the right to do it for this, because this is for the best of society.
00:34:31.000How do we define the best for society?
00:34:34.000So obviously, as a nurse and someone who has a PhD in medicine, none of us want to see people sick and we certainly don't want to see them die.
00:34:43.000But let's get the science right and let's stop using the politics and political push to make this happen.
00:34:51.000Yeah, I'm afraid that, you know, you served in Congress.
00:34:53.000Most Republicans are totally gutless wonders and they're betraying their voters.
00:34:57.000They're not speaking out on this at all and said you have Republicans that are speaking from the House floor to go get all their constituents vaccinated by force.
00:35:05.000So yeah, we're losing this fight because we don't have an opposition party in this country, unfortunately.
00:35:11.000I mean, for example, you know, I'm not vaccinated.
00:37:00.000So basically, for the audience listening, they ask you a quiz.
00:37:04.000You pick which company you use for different services, and they'll actually tell you how good or how bad that company is so you can adjust your spending habits.
00:37:19.000And it's right on the, you can access it right through the front page.
00:37:23.000And it's right there for you to go ahead and click it on, and you'll go right to the questionnaire, and it'll give you your answer right away.
00:37:40.000I was trying to be, I mean, honestly, I was trying to be very honest about how I actually shop because I wanted to know what I needed to improve on.
00:37:50.000And I think people get a lot out of that.
00:37:52.000The last thing that we had that I want to make sure we cover, you mentioned it earlier, was these the difference between spending and investing.
00:38:00.000You guys are working on the investing part because a lot of people, we've gotten a bunch of emails where people say, well, I've got these companies in my mutual funds.
00:38:16.000Well, we've actually created a family of funds and we have two exchange-traded funds that have traded since last November 19th.
00:38:26.000They're on the Chicago Board of Exchange.
00:38:27.000One is a life fund, L-Y-F-E, and the other fund is Aegis, E-G-I-S.
00:38:33.000A LIFE fund, no company in that fund is funding abortion.
00:38:37.000Under the Aegis fund, no company in that fund is funding radical groups that are advocating for an open border or sanctuary city or attacking law enforcement.
00:38:48.000So those two funds have done very well.
00:38:52.000Year to date, this year, they're outperforming the SP 500.
00:38:56.000But there are about 50 companies in each fund.
00:39:01.000We may eventually have to remove somebody if they drift to the left or move out of our scoring.
00:39:08.000We have other products that we are putting together also that will be available to meet different investment needs.
00:39:15.000So you can go to our website, Second Vote Funds or Second Vote Advisors, and it will describe what the funds are.
00:39:25.000But we are structuring our funds real quickly so you understand it's in the life fund.
00:39:30.000The company is good on the life issue, but they may be bad on one of our other five issues.
00:39:35.000But now we own the shares of those companies.
00:39:37.000We're going to go to their shareholder meetings and we're going to push back on their support for those other five issues or whichever issue they may be supporting.
00:39:47.000But they are good on the life issue on the Aegis Fund.
00:40:10.000We need people who, for instance, are big pro-life to be a part of this of helping to invest their dollars in a fund where we can show that there are people out there who want funds that support life.
00:40:23.000And the more that we have in there, the bigger the voice we have.
00:40:26.000And as Dave says, you can then make a difference in the shareholder room.
00:40:31.000And so please, people, go on and take a look at that and put your money, invest your money in places that are in congruency with your beliefs.