00:00:06.000And so because of that, we had to take a day off of podcasting.
00:00:10.000We did do an interview with Daniel Horowitz that you should listen to as our sister episode.
00:00:14.000But I thought, hey, why don't we air our conversation at University of Vermont, where we have an amazing discussion, some disagreement, some socialists that come up to the line.
00:01:19.000When you support us at charliekirk.com/slash support, you get behind the work we are doing to grow, to flourish, to add more people to our team.
00:01:29.000We do two podcasts a day, one on Saturday, one on Sunday.
00:01:33.000And if we have blessed your life at all, please consider supporting us of any amount at all.
00:02:10.000We have Tucker Carlson, we have Kaylee Mcinaney, we have Ted Cruise, we have Jesse Waters, Candace Owens, Jim Jordan, Donald Trump Jr, Madison Cawthorn, Kimberly Gilfoyle, Jack Posobiec, Sean Foig, Michael Chandler, Sarah Palin, Benny Johnson, Jimmy John Leotold that's right, Jimmy John from Jimmy Johns, Steve Weatherford and Cameron Haines, and so much more.
00:03:11.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.
00:03:16.000Turning point, we will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:04:01.000I wasn't sure what to expect in Bernie Sanders' hometown, but this is pretty great.
00:04:08.000Yeah, we're thrilled to be here tonight, and we're going to have some fun.
00:04:14.000And I know we have plenty of people that disagree that are here as well.
00:04:17.000And so we're looking forward to that portion of the evening.
00:04:19.000But I want to first start with the most important thanks, which is our Turning Point USA students that have worked so hard to put on this event.
00:05:27.000And I think there's something special about Vermont that we shouldn't forget that we as conservatives should focus on, which is the idea of preserving the small against the big, which is that sometimes it's important that we as conservatives recognize we want to have local communities stay strong, families stay strong, and that we, of course, want limited government,
00:05:51.000but we also don't want overreaching corporations either destroying, you know, kind of timeless family businesses that have been passed down.
00:05:58.000And so I kind of always like coming to Burlington.
00:06:01.000I don't know if Burlington likes me coming, but apparently it's, you know, but it's, thank you, where it's, it's, it's actually really interesting and important where this is one of the few cities that has still kind of kept, at least from an aesthetic standpoint, the idea of small town America and not wanting kind of these soulless, godless corporations to come in and destroy small business and entrepreneurship.
00:06:29.000And there's some very interesting contradictions that I think that Vermont is living through right now that we'll talk about because Vermont has always kind of been this idea that we want to keep the way, we want to keep things the way they are, which is actually a conservative idea.
00:06:44.000And, you know, some people on the more socialistic left would disagree.
00:06:49.000They would say that, well, no, we want to, you know, we want to abolish private property or stop business.
00:06:56.000You know, see, they're already cheering for the abolition of private property.
00:07:13.000But there is this idea, though, that we as conservatives in the last 18 months, thankfully, have stopped being corporate cheerleaders.
00:07:20.000I think that's a really healthy thing.
00:07:22.000That we as conservatives should stand for the good, the true, the beautiful, for the local and the decentralized, not the foreign and the distant and the corrupt.
00:07:32.000And that goes for saying that we don't want to be ruled by Washington, D.C.
00:07:37.000And we also don't want to be ruled by Pfizer, Johnson, and Johnson or AstraZeneca.
00:07:48.000That we want that we believe in the power of local communities, states' rights, obviously.
00:07:55.000So Vermont has the ability to govern themselves as they want in a balance of a federal system.
00:08:00.000Thankfully, I get to go home to Arizona.
00:08:02.000No offense, but I do enjoy a little bit more of a conservative state.
00:08:05.000But there's a couple things about Vermont.
00:08:08.000I'm going to say three things I like, and then the things I think that Vermont needs to improve upon, which is I mentioned, number one, I actually kind of like the idea of town meetings.
00:08:15.000I know that not every conservative does, but I do kind of like the idea that the local is still prioritized here in Vermont.
00:08:22.000The things shut down and you care about what's happening around you.
00:08:25.000And at least it's been described to me that still happens a lot in Vermont, if I'm not mistaken.
00:08:29.000And that kind of idea of participatory government as a uniquely American idea, that you're not going to outsource all your decisions to some politician or bureaucrat or oligarch that you don't even know the face of.
00:08:39.000That saying, you know what, we're going to take a day off work to even show up and be able to have our voice be heard in the local town center or town meeting.
00:08:47.000That is one of the constitutional ideas of consent of the governed that I hope we don't lose in our country.
00:08:53.000And Vermont, for all of its other kind of complexities, I think is something that's very admirable.
00:08:58.000The second thing, and I want to just reinforce this, and I'm still trying to figure out how this kind of mixes, is I know so many people in Vermont that, and many people here, that want, that have been on a crusade against bigness, that is saying that we want to be able to say the companies we purchase products from, we want to know the people's names, their history, their background.
00:09:20.000And we don't want to say that we want to just kind of be ruled by the same 100 companies, right?
00:09:26.000That we as conservatives should stand against big government and big Google, that both of those things are equal threats to our liberty and our freedom.
00:09:36.000But the question is, what do we want to take?
00:09:39.000And this is where we'll disagree completely with some people on the left.
00:09:42.000We believe it's a moral and objective good to have big families and to have people get married and to stay married and to make the family the center point of American society.
00:09:56.000And the third thing that I love about Vermont is your gun laws.
00:10:01.000I have to say, you guys have great gun laws.
00:10:22.000Some people are very supportive of that, right?
00:10:24.000And that goes to show that the more secular a state comes, the less free it is.
00:10:29.000And when you do not have people regularly attend church, when you remove a belief in a transcendent order, then you're going to have to replace that with something.
00:10:37.000And sometimes that something is something that is collectivist in nature and unfortunately sometimes authoritarian and tyrannical in nature.
00:10:48.000And so you can look at a direct correlation of as people start to say, you know, I want to reject religion or a belief in God, they're going to have to then pursue something in their life, whether it be materialism or statism, to try and fill that type of void.
00:11:04.000And I will reinforce this, that what liberty can only be handled by people that are moral and virtuous.
00:11:11.000John Adams said it best at the founding of our country where he said that John Adams said that a constitutional republic was made wholly and only for a moral and virtuous people.
00:11:22.000It is wholly inadequate for the people of any other.
00:11:25.000So what does that mean, moral and virtuous?
00:11:27.000Well, if you do not believe in a God, then morality is simply a form of opinion.
00:11:32.000You only know that a line is crooked if you have a straight line to compare it to.
00:11:37.000And if you get down into the metaphysics of it, eventually, and there's been plenty of people that have tried, Christopher Hitchens and Dawkins and many others that have made a pretty good attempt at it, that absent an idea of a creator-making creation, absent idea of a transcendent type morality, which, by the way, is baked into a lot of our Western traditions.
00:11:53.000thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not murder, don't take people's stuff, then you are going to all of a sudden enter a cycle where the strongest person wins the argument, where it's the person that is in charge, it's the person that is controlling the particular power apparatus, not the person that actually has a public and agreed upon type of moral system to judge itself on.
00:12:16.000And so Vermont, I think, is at an interesting place.
00:12:20.000Actually, this state's far more conservative than actually people put it on.
00:12:23.000You take Burlington out of the equation.
00:12:35.000It wouldn't make much of a difference.
00:12:37.000But it is this kind of this situation where I think that, and this kind of goes back to the question, why am I here?
00:12:46.000Well, I'm here precisely to show the world that even in the place that you're not supposed to go as a conservative.
00:12:52.000Bernie Sanders hometown, Burlington, what are you doing there?
00:12:54.000No, we as conservatives need to go to all places.
00:12:56.000Like we need to go to places that we've never been before, including the most liberal cities in America, and bring our message of optimism and one of human empowerment and one of constitutional liberty and small R Republican style government to every single corner of the country.
00:13:12.000I'm going to University of Oregon next week, which will be really interesting.
00:13:17.000But that's something I want just every conservative here tonight, maybe not a conservative, obviously, we got plenty of those tonight, which is don't be afraid to go places that you might not feel welcome.
00:13:29.000And that's an important thing for life, which is do not allow other people to dictate the terms of engagement for you, which is, it would have been very easy for us to show up at just friendly territory, but to go places where sometimes there's a little bit of a commotion.
00:13:44.000And I also want to just reward the activists too at Turning Point USA because they're the ones that put on these events.
00:13:49.000They're the ones that have to get spit on and they get mocked and ridiculed, doxed and publicized for this.
00:13:55.000We as pro-American activists and advocates, we need to stand next to our activists that are on these campuses because the truth is an amazing thing.
00:14:04.000That when you release the truth, it has a way of defending itself.
00:14:08.000And that's one of the reasons why we're here is to try to have the uncomfortable conversations, try to challenge the Orthodoxies.
00:14:14.000There's actually more of us than you might actually think in this area.
00:14:18.000These ideas, viewpoint and platform, deserve at least some form of discussion and dialogue.
00:14:25.000And so there's a couple of things I want to talk about before we get to questions.
00:14:29.000I want to talk about the death of liberal America, which is a very important thing.
00:14:33.000And the liberal America being different than you might think.
00:14:37.000There's a difference between liberals and leftists, right?
00:14:39.000Leftists are people that wish to shut people like myself up.
00:14:42.000Liberals would disagree with my current speech, but they'd say, okay, yeah, whatever.
00:14:46.000I might come ask a question, but I'm not going to make a big point out of trying to cancel or trying to destroy your ability to speak.
00:14:53.000And, you know, it's very interesting kind of reading some of the publications leading up to this event where it says, we must shut down fascist Charlie Kirk.
00:15:03.000The one that's the one that's coming to speak or the person that wants you not to be able to speak?
00:15:08.000Like that's awfully authoritarian and fascist.
00:15:17.000And I think it's an important point because if our ideas were so terrible, then just let it happen and don't show up.
00:15:25.000Don't try to make it this kind of hobby or task to try to eliminate somebody you just disagree with.
00:15:32.000And I think that goes to a broader point, which is that activism mixed with moral righteousness gives people a false sense of purpose.
00:15:41.000And unfortunately, we see this a lot at very, very left-wing campuses, which there's a purpose crisis in our country, and it's a very real thing.
00:15:49.000And things that give people purpose should be responsibility, relationships, spiritual connection, not necessarily protesting some speaker that's coming in to give an hour and a half lecture and then walk outside of the room and like just leave.
00:16:03.000And that's a deeper and more profound point, which is America's becoming a place where students in particular are less happy than ever before.
00:16:13.000And we're going to talk about this in a little bit and like what actually brings happiness and why is that important?
00:16:17.000Because I believe happiness is a choice, not a feeling.
00:16:20.000And that's something that they will not teach you at most college campuses.
00:16:23.000They say, no, it's something that you can feel if you check certain boxes on your way there.
00:16:28.000But when you see some of the activists that are demanding cancellation of viewpoints that they disagree with, there is kind of this renewal of purpose that like, I finally have something to do.
00:16:40.000And that might sound silly, but if you look at city by city, the people that show up and do these types of protests and show up with that kind of fervor, it's almost as if the idea of I am doing the right thing to try to eliminate the person that I fundamentally disagree with.
00:16:56.000Let me just say there's something a lot more fulfilling out there than being a protester.
00:17:01.000That you can start a family, a business, travel, go for a hike, that the most important thing in your life should be the things that last forever.
00:17:11.000You should prioritize the eternal over the temporal.
00:17:14.000And this is something that I think we need to be more honest about, which is, you know, as we look at students and we look at the younger generation, a lot of people say, Charlie, why does it seem as if they are so adamant at trying to shut up other people?
00:17:30.000There's a lot of students here that are not trying to shut people up and you guys deserve credit for that.
00:17:34.000But it's a growing cohort and it's kind of going with momentum.
00:17:38.000And just by some background, by the way, we only publicized the event, the date, the address of this event very recently because the first hotel we had came under a very targeted campaign from certain people that didn't want us to be here in Burlington, right?
00:17:53.000And I thought to myself, don't you have anything better to do?
00:17:57.000Is that the whole purpose is trying to contact Hilton to try to not let them go down because he's a fascist, but we're not a fascist.
00:18:03.000And I actually want to just extend like an olive branch.
00:18:06.000And it's like, please go explore the world and explore the scriptures and explore a relationship with God and Jesus Christ because there's something so much more beautiful out there than just trying to cancel other people.
00:18:15.000It's actually not a great way to live.
00:18:22.000So let me talk about why we name the tour what it is, exposing critical racism tour.
00:18:51.000I think it's wrong to judge people based on the color of their skin.
00:18:57.000And critical race theory, wokeism, diversity, industrial complex, diversity, equity, inclusion, woke-stan, whatever you want to call it, has and is plaguing our major institutions, which comes from critical theory.
00:19:10.000We can go into that if you guys want to.
00:19:12.000And it's this basic idea that the systems of America itself are racist, unjust, inequitable, whatever kind of words you want to use.
00:19:20.000And that's our position as white allies to try and blow up the system as we know it, try to topple it, try to invert it to try and get towards some form of Marxist utopianism.
00:19:36.000I don't really know what comes next, but everyone kind of has their own kind of specific answer to that.
00:19:40.000And I think it's a total disservice to the country that we live in, which we live in the least racist country ever to exist in the history of the world.
00:19:46.000That the country that we live in is a place that has accepted more people from more parts of the planet and has done so successfully.
00:19:55.000And CRT, critical race theory, diversity, industrial complex, all these sorts of things seek to destroy that.
00:20:00.000Where the country I grew up in like 10 years ago, I know it kind of sounds funny to say that, was people that would have espoused this viewpoint, we would have called them racist, and rightfully so.
00:20:10.000We would have say, show me your actions, your character, show me what you actually want to bring to the world.
00:20:15.000Don't try to judge people or try to characterize them or organize them based on things they cannot control or cannot change.
00:20:24.000Do you think that things, the most important way to kind of characterize people is based on things they can change or things they cannot change?
00:20:31.000And saying that, well, you know, we need to try and atone for our white privilege, you know, and I just, I always get a chuckle out of that when I hear it out of Bernie Sanders.
00:20:39.000I'm like, so which of your three homes are you going to donate to the disadvantaged populations of the state, right?
00:20:46.000Which is like, spare me, you know, the white privilege type talk.
00:20:54.000And it kind of goes to this question of if you believe skin color and the preference of that is important, then you wish to completely change the mission statement of America.
00:21:05.000And America has a Trinity, just like there's a Christian Trinity.
00:21:08.000And the Trinity is in God we trust, liberty and e pluribus unum.
00:21:12.000In God we trust, pretty obvious, liberty, the pursuit of virtue.
00:21:18.000That means regardless of your skin color, your background, no matter what you look like, we are all one because we're all made equally as human beings.
00:21:25.000We're all human beings, regardless of your skin color, regardless of your background.
00:21:29.000And you just look at the numbers, they don't pan out.
00:21:34.000And the numbers that they say, well, there's disproportionate outcomes based on race in this country.
00:21:39.000But if you factor whether or not there's two parents in the home, you factor level of education, it's not the skin color that means anything.
00:21:46.000Instead, it's things that matter much more than that.
00:21:48.000Whether or not are children being raised in stable homes.
00:21:52.000And so if you take a white child that is raised by a single mother and a black child that is raised by a mother and a father, a traditional nuclear family that is harshly under attack right now in America, the black child raised by the mother and father is far more likely to succeed in any sort of independent metric that you want to choose, high school graduation, college graduation, getting a job, not going to prison, than the white child that is raised by just a single mother.
00:22:16.000And that's according to the Brookings Institution, which is a liberal think tank that is not exactly, you know, on my individual political viewpoint.
00:22:24.000So the focus that we should have instead is how are we going to rebuild the family?
00:22:28.000How are we going to make people actually take responsibility for their most important interpersonal relations and say that this is a moral and objective good for society?
00:22:38.000But that runs at odds with something that is a core tenant of American leftism, which is a core tenant of American leftism is that pleasure should matter a lot more than responsibility.
00:22:51.000And so we as conservatives believe a lot of things.
00:22:53.000One of the things that we believe in is delayed gratification.
00:22:57.000We believe that the best things, the most important things, the higher things, the eternal things, the ultimate purpose comes when you restrain your own natural impulses, you apply yourself to a code of conduct, you control your own self, and you do things that are hard but are worthwhile, like getting married, like having children.
00:23:17.000And this kind of goes to this question, which is that we believe that leisure and luxury are a byproduct of hard work, dedication, and deferred gratification.
00:23:31.000And you see this kind of playing out right now in American society where there's a workers crisis right now where people can't find people to do work because we paid people not to work for the last year and a half, one of the worst mistakes we've ever made in our country.
00:23:43.000And I'll get into the lockdowns and stuff if you guys are interested.
00:23:46.000But even beyond that, it's this question of, you know, is there something meaningful and worthwhile about maybe being mildly uncomfortable in the immediate term to try to then have some sort of reward in the long term?
00:24:01.000And when you ask yourself that question, there is kind of this assault of trying to destroy the Western prescribed nuclear family.
00:24:08.000You saw this at Black Lives Matter website during Floyd Apaloozo last summer when BLM Incorporated put on their website, they said that we exist to try to disrupt and destroy the Western prescribed nuclear family.
00:24:22.000Every single metric you can find is that people are less likely to go to prison, more likely to have higher incomes, less likely to fall into poverty if you keep the actual family structure together, regardless of skin color, regardless of background.
00:24:35.000And so what is one of the reasons why the family structure is falling apart?
00:24:38.000One of the reasons is that we have made it more convenient and acceptable and easier than ever for young people to remain childless, for young people not to get married.
00:24:46.000And instead, some people in college campuses are told in propaganda is that it's a patriarchal system that is exploiting, you know, women and it's this terrible and awful thing.
00:26:12.000And understand that every single totalitarian and tyrannical style of government exists to try to destroy relationships first between the husband and the wife, and eventually between parents and children, whether it be Mao's Chinese Revolution, whether it be Joseph Stalin and Vladimir Lenin in the USSR, because the ultimate social institution, the one that works the best, is that if you have a family that is supporting itself, especially an intergenerational family,
00:26:41.000where you have grandparents supporting grandkids, and you kind of have this three-tied knot of the past, the current, and the future, and this is a beautiful kind of example that Edmund Burke used, then all of a sudden you're less likely to go on government benefits.
00:26:53.000You're less likely to seek social welfare.
00:26:56.000And that for one of the reasons, as the American family has fallen apart, just give you an idea of how profound this is.
00:27:02.00077% of black children in America will grow up without knowing their father.
00:27:11.000So if you want to have like a conversation of systemic outcomes and inequities, I think the most important thing is why are we subsidizing single motherhood in our country?
00:27:18.000Why is it through the Great Society program that we're subsidizing fatherlessness and this kind of failure of taking fathers outside of the home?
00:27:27.000And there's a lot of different answers for this.
00:27:29.000And the easiest answer is that our politicians and our cultural leaders don't actually want to tell people the truth, which is that you're not, you know, I guess you're allowed to, but it shouldn't be culturally acceptable.
00:27:42.000It shouldn't be something that's glorified or taken, you know, platform if you impregnate a woman and abandon her.
00:27:48.000And that makes society a less happy, enjoyable, safe, and quite honestly, free place to live.
00:27:54.000That taking responsibility for one's actions is something that keeps America free.
00:27:59.000Instead, we have now entered into an instant gratification cycle that does the exact opposite, which is you can feel wonderful, feel great, and instant modus, and take zero responsibility for your actions.
00:28:16.000And you know this, even left-wing students, you know, kind of know this, which is you work really hard on a test and you do well on that.
00:28:22.000There's actually the kind of this sense of fulfillment, and there should be, because you applied yourself, because you worked hard, because you actually had a goal and you sought out and did it.
00:28:31.000And when you have an entire generation that is quite kind of directionless, that is all about instant and momentary kind of dopamine rushes at that current instant, at that current moment, then you start to see all of a sudden the unraveling of some of the ties that bind us together.
00:28:46.000And so one of the reasons we focus so hard on exposing critical race theory is that regardless of your political viewpoint or your philosophical viewpoint, we can all agree that these kind of deconstructionist ideologies, things that try to tear at the very core of who we are as a country, our history, our shared ethos, is something that's going to make America soon very unrecognizable.
00:29:08.000And I'm afraid that we're getting there.
00:29:09.000In Georgia, they are putting white children in one classroom and black children in another classroom.
00:29:15.000They are segregating children based on race.
00:29:17.00075 colleges across the country have graduation ceremonies based on race.
00:29:22.00075, including Columbia University, Western Washington University, has black only dormitories.
00:29:31.000And we, as pro-American, whatever your description is, we should all agree that black-only dormitories, putting black kids in one classroom, white kids in another classroom in the city of Georgia, and also having black-only graduation ceremonies, that only harbors the very sin of segregation that we worked so hard to eliminate in the 1960s, and we need to stand against it.
00:30:02.000So now I want to talk a little bit about life.
00:30:04.000We could talk about all sorts of stuff.
00:30:05.000We could talk about how men aren't women and women aren't men.
00:30:08.000We could talk about all sorts of stuff.
00:30:10.000And both are beautiful, by the way, made in the image of God.
00:30:13.000We could talk about that and how they both need each other.
00:30:16.000Sure, that will animate some people in this room.
00:30:18.000But I just want to talk a little bit about life, which is I think that one of the things that students don't hear enough on college campuses is how do you live a happy and fulfilling life?
00:30:38.000But I just want to get to a very simple thing that I think that differentiates kind of two different political viewpoints, which is embedded in conservatism is an appreciation and gratitude that we live in the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world.
00:30:53.000There is a gratitude that there are people that existed before us that sacrificed a lot.
00:30:58.000So we have the ability to be able to espouse awful garbage ideas and welcome them in to our events.
00:31:05.000And that we have the ability to have a free discourse and we are able to have dialogue.
00:31:23.000Well, first of all, thankful to our creator.
00:31:25.000Thankful to the person who gives us our existence.
00:31:27.000And then let's just even, if you don't even believe in that, because Vermont is the least churched country in the, in the, and Vermont is the least churched, and you could tell.
00:31:40.000I will say this, that if you show up to church, you'll be much more happy.
00:32:39.000And the first thing is being thankful for life, thankful for consciousness, thankful for existence, thankful for things that are deeply, objectively good.
00:32:47.000And we want, we as conservatives, then I kind of just say this in general, that we want to design a society that gives preference on your choices and your actions and your behavior, not on your complaints or your grievances or the mobilization thereof.
00:33:07.000I'm perfectly, you know, kind of on board with breaking up certain companies and using political power to try and make that easier.
00:33:15.000But generally, I think that it's very important for people to try and prioritize that the greatest battle you'll experience in life is not Charlie Kirk versus climate change or Charlie Kirk versus the oil companies.
00:33:32.000No, it's Charlie Kirk versus Charlie Kirk.
00:33:34.000That it is the struggle within that we must tell young people, that we must understand that it's self-control, that the improvement of your own character is the thing that you must prioritize above anything else.
00:33:47.000And it's a disservice to tell young people, you know what, the greatest struggle in life is you against racism.
00:33:52.000The greatest struggle in life is you against, no, the greatest struggle in life is you going to be able to control your own impulses, to work up early to go to work, to say that I want to become a better and more developed human being.
00:34:03.000And put very simply, we as human beings, thank you.
00:34:08.000We as conservatives believe that happiness is a choice.
00:34:13.000I'll let you guys determine if my wonderful comrades here are happy or not.
00:34:30.000If you go around trying to find happiness, all of a sudden you'll seek pleasure over virtue.
00:34:34.000If you try to go find happiness as a state, it's nonsense.
00:34:37.000And we as Christians are commanded to be joyful in all circumstances.
00:34:40.000And this is a very important point because sometimes in the Northeast, this message doesn't go over well because it's kind of a gruff group of people in the Northeast at times.
00:34:48.000Sometimes you don't see the sun like half the year.
00:35:05.000Everybody here has something you're going through, and it's a serious thing.
00:35:09.000And if there's a way that we can help you, I pray that that'll show itself in that way.
00:35:13.000But that's not to say, what does it mean to live a fulfilling life?
00:35:17.000To walk around always looking at something worthy of protesting, tearing down, deconstructing, disassembling, or saying, man, if I made these 10 choices, if I stopped drinking, if I stopped doing drugs, if I stopped complaining, maybe my life will improve a little bit.
00:35:31.000Maybe if I all of a sudden start taking responsibility for my actions, I'll start to see the fruits of those choices.
00:36:08.000Responsibility is when you have an activity or you're doing something and you don't show up, and that enterprise falls apart.
00:36:18.000If a husband doesn't show up at home, all of a sudden the wife is what's going on, things are falling apart.
00:36:23.000If all of a sudden someone doesn't show up to work and you're a necessary job, all of a sudden things start falling apart.
00:36:28.000The reason we have so many people searching for purpose in our country is because we have said to so many students, don't go find responsibility, go find immediate pleasure and gratification.
00:36:39.000That we must instead prioritize things that make you have to all of a sudden challenge yourself.
00:36:45.000Character is developed in the challenge.
00:36:51.000And we sometimes need to say, you know what?
00:36:53.000It's a good thing that you got to live a little bit tougher of a circumstance right now as a 17, 18, or 19-year-old.
00:36:58.000It'll make you a tougher person in the long run.
00:37:00.000Instead of removing all sort of speech that might offend them, instead of saying that we can never have you exposed to something you might disagree with, instead, I think we should try to create a nation that, similar to the greatest generation, is able to step up heroically and courageously at the toughest times and say, you know what, that in and of itself will create better and happier and more thankful people.
00:37:21.000That more than politics is actually something we need to hone on, which actually instructs our politics heavily.
00:37:27.000Okay, last thing that I want to touch on.
00:38:13.000He has manipulated well-meaning young people into believing on utopia is just around the corner instead of telling them the truth, which is stop doing drugs, stop drinking, take responsibility for your actions, work harder, and stop making complaining the most important thing in your life.
00:38:27.000He has misled people at every single turn.
00:38:55.000That well-meaning Bernie bros were taking advantage of the last two elections.
00:39:00.000For all of the activist energy that I will admit you guys have, for all of the door knocking, you were deceived by two corporate Wall Street-bought candidates that made lies and overtures to Bernie Sanders, and it was stolen from Bernie.
00:39:13.000And what's amazing is how the young Democrat socialists of America put up with it.
00:39:49.000And so socialism is rooted in a worldview that any success, any wealth, any treasure comes from stealing and theft.
00:39:57.000We believe that markets are the best way to improve people's lives.
00:40:01.000And it comes back to this question, which is...
00:40:04.000What kind of society do you want to live in?
00:40:06.000We want to live in a free and family-focused society.
00:40:09.000We want to live in one that prioritizes the good, the true, and the beautiful over the corrupt, the complaining, and the mobilization of grievances.
00:40:16.000That we know that it is rare to have an affluent society.
00:40:20.000And I'll close with this, and then we can do some questions, which is always, we're going to have some fun, which is, you want to know how good we have it?
00:40:31.000Luxury allows you the ability to care about being woke.
00:40:36.000You think they care about that in Guatemala, El Salvador?
00:40:38.000They're worried about crime, their currency not being deteriorated and diminished.
00:40:43.000Only in a wealthy society is someone given the opportunity, the leisure, and the free time to be woke.
00:40:49.000Only in a society with so much abundance that we have, do you have the ability to be able to go read white fragility by Robin DiAngelo or how to be an anti-racist?
00:41:00.000You are living in a society that is made thanks to the sacrifices of generations before, thanks to strong families, a moral center, entrepreneurs that created so much wealth beyond your wildest imaginations that you now have the opportunity and the liberty to go pursue these awful and dangerous ideas.
00:41:17.000And that is only possible in a free society that I hope that we can preserve and protect for future generations.
00:41:49.000So I come from a long line of people who've worked for a very long time, 60 hours a week plus pretty much the entire time.
00:41:57.000We've been told over the last year and a half that basically it has only been because of the pandemic that people are working less, staying home from work.
00:42:06.000I kind of have a different theory and I was wondering your take on it.
00:42:09.000How much of it do you think is the pandemic itself versus perhaps a younger generation that is now willing to put in manual labor when they can make the same hourly wage doing other jobs?
00:42:20.000So let me ask you just amongst your family members that do work those 60 hours a week, what do they have to say?
00:42:27.000So my mom believes that there's a change in what young people want and what they're willing to go through.
00:42:35.000My father is less than pleased that people, he believes that a 40-hour work week is not sustainable to be successful.
00:42:46.000So in order to be successful, truly, you have to work more than 40 hours a week.
00:42:49.000Yeah, and so this is an interesting point.
00:42:51.000Let me first say where I think the conservative movement is moving in the right direction with this family-focused agenda, which is I think that we as conservatives, and Elizabeth Warren used to believe this before she didn't, we as conservatives should say, no, it's true.
00:43:05.000And during her Native American times, she used to believe this, where she said that a woman should not have to get into the workforce to support a nuclear family if they don't want to.
00:43:19.000Now, in the 1980s, you could support a family of four with 36 hours of work a week or 36 weeks of work a year.
00:43:31.000Now it takes 53 weeks a year to support the same amount.
00:43:37.000And so we as conservatives should agree that that's not a good thing.
00:43:41.000So how do we actually go about solving it?
00:43:43.000You know, without massive intervention into the economy, we should say, well, it is kind of this subset of companies that are continually kind of pushing forth this kind of agenda of forego having children, don't get married, come work for kind of this godless, soulless institution.
00:44:00.000And, you know, absent of kind of saying that we should dramatically abolish private property, which would be a dumb thing, we should say, you know what?
00:44:07.000We should explore ideas to try and make it easier to have children and have larger families.
00:44:13.000And I think that you're starting to see this advocated in a variety of different ways on the conservative side.
00:44:18.000But here's the difference, though, is that we as conservatives believe having families is an objective moral good.
00:44:26.000The other side would say, no, you should get the money regardless.
00:44:28.000And I don't think that that's the case at all.
00:44:31.000We are seeing a massive problem with having children in our country, largely because it's too expensive to have children in our country.
00:44:39.000Now, let me also say this, though, that spending $4.7 trillion in Washington, D.C. on top of another $6 trillion is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard in my life and will actually destroy the American worker, not help the American worker.
00:44:53.000And we're in the middle of an inflation crisis right now.
00:44:55.000But I think the jury's still out, but I probably agree with you that many people in our generation, they look down on manual work.
00:45:30.000And I also just think it's laughable, to be perfectly honest, that people on the left, they talk a game like, oh yeah, we want to protect families and do all these things.
00:45:38.000And yet they're the ones that do not actually want to get serious about reining in the pharmaceutical companies as they're mandating the vaccine and their profiteering scheme all across the country.
00:45:50.000They're the ones that don't want to rein in technology companies.
00:45:53.000And then they're the ones that actually wanted to forcibly lock down the American economy where we lost 600,000 small businesses in the last year and a half.
00:46:01.000The forcible lockdowns of the American economy will go down as one of the worst mistakes in American history with almost zero net benefit and casualties of damage to our generation and generations to come.
00:46:14.000Mental health issues, suicide issues, alcoholism, drug issues, all to try to kill a mouse with a missile.
00:46:20.000When in reality, we should have been very clear that a certain age demographic is very much at risk from the Fauci virus.
00:46:26.000That if you're younger, you are not at sizable risk.
00:46:29.000Instead of misleading people about what the vaccine could do, we should have had a very serious conversation about ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, vitamin D, and other treatments.
00:46:44.000Vermont is the most vaccinated state in the country, and now you're experiencing the highest virus rates that you have in the entire cycle of this pandemic.
00:47:40.000Well, first of all, I've never tried to cancel a speaker because I disagree with them or try to go to a hotel and try to cancel their contract.
00:48:21.000Well, first of all, our entire worldview is, as I mentioned, rooted in a belief of the natural law, liberty, freedom, gratitude, American history, self-empowerment, and fulfillment, where as the worldview of the opposition, which I'm glad they came here tonight, is not.
00:48:37.000It's the opposite of all those things.
00:48:38.000But as you'll notice, we let them into our event because we think it's important that different ideas are actually allowed a platform to be able to be heard.
00:50:19.000Yeah, that's kind of like saying, you know, the other side advocating for eugenics actually helps us, which is CRT is a cousin of eugenics.
00:50:53.000We're in a very dangerous situation, in my personal opinion, where we're starting to have black-only graduation ceremonies, black-only dormitories.
00:51:02.000I think that actually brings us closer to any form of racial chaos and societal division.
00:51:07.000But I think your point, I understand it, I might disagree with it, where you say, hey, it's a good thing because it's actually uniting people and it's showing how intolerant the other side is.
00:51:15.000Let's be careful with that argument, though, because now it's become policy.
00:51:18.000They're hiring airline pilots at United Airlines based on skin color, not on competency.
00:51:48.000Internet privacy is extremely important.
00:51:51.000New news out shows that Google has been colluding with the federal government to hand over your data if you might have searched something wrong into the search bar.
00:52:02.000So what are you doing to protect your search history?
00:52:05.000Well, this is why you need ExpressVPN.
00:52:08.000Using the internet without ExpressVPN is like going to the bathroom and not closing the door.
00:53:05.000ExpressVPN for me has been a game changer to be able to know that the tech companies or the government, they have to go through a whole nother barrier to try to spy on us.
00:53:17.000When we see with the new announcements out of DC, if you spoke at a school board meeting lately, you better get a VPN.
00:53:23.000Secure your online activity by visiting expressvpn.com slash Charlie today.
00:53:46.000I'm an immigrant from Eastern Europe, and I've been here for 10 years and a little bit.
00:53:51.000And if anybody would have told me 10 years ago that I would come a day where I would live in America and American citizens would be in favor of communism, I would have laughed in their face.
00:54:02.000So obviously I have my own opinion about why this is happening, but what is your take?
00:54:05.000Why do you think you as citizens, man, are in favor of communism in America?
00:54:09.000It feels that it's getting more and more.
00:54:16.000So I'm curious, what would your message be to young socialists that don't know what communism is?
00:54:21.000If you don't learn from history, nothing will save you.
00:54:31.000So let me ask you, your family grew up in Romania and had to go through all those horrors.
00:54:36.000And most people are totally unfamiliar with the actual suffering, the actual difficulty, the actual issues that people had because of communism.
00:54:47.000And it's very interesting that Americans that have never had to wet waiting breadlines until now, that have never had to actually understand what suffering is, they are very quick to try to shut down and shout down opinions they disagree with.
00:55:03.000But I want to actually ask you, I want you to just say very briefly, what was it like for your family to grow up in these sort of ideas?
00:55:12.000Because of the suffering that your family went through?
00:55:15.000So obviously, I was only one year old when communism ended in Romania, so I can't really speak from previous experience, but I have yet to meet anybody in my home country that was in favor of communism.
00:56:04.000So first off, great pleasure having you here, sir.
00:56:08.000But my main question is, like, I agree completely with everything you said.
00:56:12.000And there are a lot of issues that are going on.
00:56:14.000But with all us essentially, no offense, whining about it, how would you go about reversing years of damage to our education system that has restored our values?
00:56:24.000Because I agree with you, sir, but the solution that you gave wasn't necessarily clear.
00:56:27.000So I'm just curious, like, what do you think about that?
00:56:29.000Because this is an institutional problem at this point.
00:56:33.000Yeah, I mean, look at the extent that it's gone in the last two years where we've destroyed our own heroes for essentially either misinformation or just seeing one part of it, whereas people are just showed one part and then that's all they're showed, and they're expected to keep with that.
00:56:49.000Yeah, look, I just want to say, I'm not exactly sure the right way to take that, but yeah, the education system is a massive threat to our liberty in the American way of life.
00:56:59.000Every parent who can should homeschool their kids if they can.
00:57:06.000And I think that it's incredibly important that we recognize that the public sector education system is the life source of these ideas that you then see manifested on television and in the halls of Congress.
00:57:22.000What happens in college campuses, on college campuses, does not stay on college campuses.
00:57:27.000It goes into the halls of Congress and corporate boardrooms.
00:57:30.000And look, it really comes back to this question of what is education?
00:57:32.000Education comes from a Latin word, which means to lead forth.
00:57:35.000And we need to lead forth children and young people to truth, to people of good character, to understand what is good, what is objectively true in this world, and also a true reading of history, which is not happening anymore.
00:57:46.000And so, yeah, I mean, I'm well in support of abolishing the Department of Education.
00:57:52.000I think abolishing the Department of Education would be a vast step forward.
00:57:55.000And I think that we need to empower parents more to have says in their children's education, have say in their children's education, and understanding that the current regime is benefiting tremendously from this sort of power structure.
00:58:18.000So, again, my question is also based on the education system as that gentleman that was just up here.
00:58:25.000But when it comes down to it, would you say that the largest problem that we have with our education system currently today is the fact that we put too much government control into it and not enough individual control into someone's own education?
00:58:41.000Because, you know, if you look at instances in the past, such as with several of our founding fathers, or even going up to the 1930s and 1940s, most of the educated populace in the United States had come from people who decided to educate themselves and not depend on a big, essentially parent government to do so.
00:59:03.000Yeah, I mean, look, the bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.
00:59:06.000And so the more we send young people to these corrupt education institutions that don't just teach bad ideas, but also get our students endlessly into debt, it creates this kind of cycle of dependency.
00:59:18.000And so, yeah, I also just want to kind of contribute to the conversation that you don't need to go to college to succeed in America.
00:59:24.000That we need more welders and electricians and plumbers, police officers, and we love our police.
01:00:29.000Because I'm from a mixed family, I have one question for you.
01:00:33.000And I don't know how you can answer it for me.
01:00:36.000I would like to understand where the Conservative Party sits with our treaties, because I have two members of my family that are Native American, my brother and my husband.
01:00:48.000And I follow a lot of the things that go on.
01:00:51.000I teach my kids about the Natives and the real history.
01:00:54.000You know, I push for real history, not this narrative, you know, of what's going on.
01:00:59.000So where does the conservatives sit with this?
01:01:02.000Because I never hear anything about it.
01:01:04.000And I feel like I'm a lone voice advocating for them.
01:01:07.000I haven't been asked that question in a while.
01:01:09.000I probably sympathize with you more than most, which is that, you know, the Native American population was given a real, obviously, raw deal and was exploited and was abused.
01:01:21.000Where the treaties are, I can't really comment on that because I'm not as well read into that, especially this part of the world.
01:01:26.000I will say that in states like Oklahoma, Arizona, New Mexico, this is a top issue because of the sizable Native American population.
01:01:34.000But so I'm happy to talk to you privately about that.
01:01:37.000Not exactly something I'm that well read up on, to be perfectly honest.
01:01:41.000But I do want to say thank you for your kind words at the beginning of kind of how I was able to impact kind of your beliefs and what you believe in.
01:01:47.000And I believe it's a conservative value to respect people that were here indigenously and strike that balance.
01:01:54.000And I also want to say this, though, that we have done a disservice through the Bureau of Indian Affairs by almost instituting socialism on these Native American reservations.
01:02:05.000Those good intentions have done the opposite.
01:02:07.000It's actually hurt a lot of Native American and Indigenous populations across the country when it might have been intended to help.
01:02:13.000They have the highest rates of alcoholism, some of the worst outputs healthcare-wise, especially if you visit a Native American reservation, especially out west, they're unfortunately some of the most depressing places you could go to.
01:02:24.000So happy to talk privately about that.
01:02:26.000But thank you for being here tonight and your kind words.
01:02:58.000What CRT is comes out of critical theory, which came out of the Frankfurt School, which is a belief that there are systems that exist both institutionally and systemically, and that through critical theory, which also has critical law theory, through the kind of the changing of how we view society must be through a racial lens and not through an economic lens or through a legal lens.
01:03:23.000And if you look very clearly at the writings of Marcuse, at the writings of Spinoza, especially in the early 1990s where this started to pop up, there was this idea that we must give preference based on the melanin content of people's skin, not on actions, not on choices.
01:03:37.000And instead, because America is so unequal, because it is so inequitable, that these writers and authors that were the beginning people that actually started this term critical race theory 50 or 60 years ago believed that this would be a true Marxist type movement that would help happen in this country.
01:03:54.000It was kind of fostered and started in many different universities across this country.
01:03:58.000Marcuse came from the Frankfurt School.
01:03:59.000One of his disciples is still alive, Angela Davis.
01:04:02.000And it really kind of comes back to the couple beliefs that CRT believes in to make it overly simple.
01:04:07.000Number one, that there is no such thing as absolute truth.
01:04:09.000That number two, power dynamics are more important than anything else.
01:04:12.000Number three, skin color should be something that has a top priority in how we characterize people and their worth and their dignity.
01:04:20.000Number four, that kind of American history and kind of how we teach it is completely wrong.
01:04:25.000Five, that America is systemically racist, and I could continue from that.
01:04:28.000That right there is a 35,000-foot view.
01:04:32.000But that is a history of critical race theory.
01:04:34.000And it's evolved into terms of wokeism, diversity, equity, inclusion, the idea of America being systemically racist, 1619 project.
01:04:42.000They're all outgrowths of the postmodern deconstructionist type viewpoint that started in the 1960s from Marcuse, who was a Marxist type believer in the Frankfurt School, was expelled, found domicile here in America and implemented in our colleges.
01:05:41.000And as you know, our institutions of higher education are overwhelmingly liberal and left-leaning.
01:05:47.000So my question is, what advice do you have for students like me, for students like many of us, who are deeply conservative at overwhelmingly liberal colleges where our peers feel that because of their left-leaning beliefs, they're often morally and intellectually superior, where securing our borders is fascist and we're protecting the unborn is hateful.
01:06:43.000So you're going to have to make a decision.
01:06:44.000I think you've already made that decision.
01:06:46.000The decision you have to make is whether or not you are willing to live through or to survive, I guess you could say, the kind of backlash, the sort of price that you're going to have to pay.
01:06:59.000You're going to be tougher because of it.
01:08:21.000So where can I work in my computer science now?
01:08:24.000So I will give you something, which is this: which is outside of the woke tech companies, there are thousands of small and mid-level businesses of people that are not totally corrupted by this.
01:08:35.000Go find one of them and work for them.
01:08:36.000And you might say, How do I find them?
01:08:38.000There is an ever-growing job market of employers that are trying to find non-activistic employees that are going to do their job, that are married, and that want to work really hard and advance in their career.
01:08:49.000And we are being contacted by these employers every single day.
01:10:13.000So before there was a question about like Native American communities and treaties and stuff like that.
01:10:19.000And you were talking about how historically Native Americans have been kind of like screwed over by the U.S. government and stuff like that.
01:10:26.000Don't you think that that history will impact how Native Americans live today and make it more difficult to succeed in America?
01:10:33.000Don't you think that would influence that?
01:10:35.000Well, I suppose a question I'll ask back at you: we've made tremendous accommodations, such as sovereignty of Native American land, entire department of the federal government dedicated just solely to that.
01:10:46.000Do you recognize that there's been great efforts to try to accommodate that?
01:10:50.000I recognize those efforts, but obviously they haven't worked.
01:10:56.000Because it's either not enough or the way that we're doing it is incorrect.
01:10:59.000Like we need to treat it more as an equity thing instead of just saying, oh, it's a culture, like instead of blaming it on people's individual working and like make like change it societally and help them in a way that actually matters.
01:11:14.000So you do know that there's universal health care at Native American reservations, right?
01:11:18.000Yeah, but it's not very good because they don't have access to because it's socialistic.
01:14:59.000So I just want to make sure we complete the point.
01:15:01.000You believe in something that doesn't exist, has never existed.
01:15:04.000And even though the people that call themselves the things that you believe, you say they weren't really that, which is the most important point.
01:15:10.000Socialism is always judged against an impossible utopia, and they judge markets against a reality.
01:15:17.000And here's the truth of the matter: that markets, which you enjoy comfortably in Western society, is the most proven affluent-creating machine in human history.
01:15:26.000And I would just challenge you to do one thing: please stop believing in a utopian nightmare and start looking at things around you that are good, that are true, that are beautiful, that work, and are consistent with the natural law.
01:15:38.000You'll be a much happier person if you do that.
01:16:02.000Yeah, so we at Turning Point USA, we've taken an organizational view that no person should be forced to get the vaccine against their will.
01:16:16.000And it is immoral and it is wrong and it is evil to force people to get vaccines, experimental medicine.
01:16:25.000You might be pro-vaccine here tonight, whatever.
01:16:26.000I'm not here to convince you otherwise.
01:16:28.000The fact is, don't force me otherwise.
01:16:31.000Don't use force of losing a job, government force, or all of these sorts of different ways to try and mock and ridicule and push people in a direction to do that.
01:16:45.000Well, for people that are in the military, this is a very serious thing.
01:16:48.000And it's time for elected officials that are conservatives to start to stand up and to defend the medical rights of servicemen and women across the country.
01:16:57.000And no one should be forced to get it against their will.
01:17:02.000And the final thing I'll say with this, it was kind of with this, is that I was always told to believe my body, my choice, you know, everyone's individual sovereignty.
01:17:13.000Instead, now it's let's do whatever Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna, and Johnson Johnson want.
01:17:19.000And the latest study shows the Johnson Johnson vaccine is 3% effective, 3% effective.
01:17:26.000They never want to talk about natural immunity.
01:17:28.000They never want to talk about azithromycin.
01:17:30.000They never want to talk about hydroxychloroquine.
01:17:33.000They never want to talk about ivermectin.
01:17:34.000They never want to talk about aspirin, which is now proven to be a very effective treatment to reduce hospitalizations.
01:17:41.000And you can look at the clinical data itself.
01:17:43.000Instead, they are trying to keep people in a perpetual state of fear and control by locking us down, masking us up, and firing people based on vaccines.
01:20:29.000And that's what Good Ranchers does so well.
01:20:31.000They exist to support local American farms that help you make great American meals.
01:20:35.000Together, they want to restore the American ranch and your meals to the former glory.
01:20:39.000Get the beef, chicken, and seafood that cannot be imported or matched at goodranchers.com.
01:20:45.000Did you know that the product of USA TAG has been stolen by foreign countries?
01:20:49.000They process their meat here and then label it like it came from America fraudulently because of these labeling laws that favor foreign imported meat.
01:20:56.000Over 100,000 independent American farms and ranches have closed since 2015.
01:21:01.000Good Ranchers is here to put America first at the dinner table and the ranchers that have worked raise the meat we eat.
01:21:46.000Everything just seems a little bit lighter and in fact, the day gets better when the Good Ranchers box arrives because you know with the beautiful Phoenix weather, you can watch some college football, throw a couple steaks on the grill, turn up the volume, and enjoy being an American.
01:22:05.000Because you're eating American meat, not Chinese meat, not Argentinian meat, not Vietnam meat, Vietnamese meat, not Iranian meat, not Egyptian meat, but instead American meat.
01:22:20.000So save on each box of Mount Watering American meats.
01:23:20.000And when I worked for her, I was attacked by the left every day by keyboard warriors for allegedly being anti-immigrant, anti-LGBTQ, and anti-feminist.
01:23:28.000The ironic side of this is I grew up in an inner city environment with a single mother who came from a socialist Yugoslavia where they murdered those who spoke out in favor of minority and LGBTQ rights.
01:23:39.000And also shocking to hear it to a lot on the left.
01:23:42.000I am a bisexual Republican with a wonderful girlfriend.
01:23:46.000So that's a little scary to people, I guess.
01:23:49.000But aside from all of this, the only identity I really can associate myself truly as an American at the end of the day.
01:23:55.000So how will young conservatives and libertarians like myself save our comrades on the left from the horrid lives of socialism and identity politics that not everyone needs to conform to their individual way of life, which a lot of them do not seem to realize?
01:24:14.000And I just want to say, look, I think our first guy that asked that question was kind of spot on.
01:24:20.000The reason why conservatives, libertarians are kind of agreeing at this very moment is because of this issue, is because they're trying to put in identity politics, trying to organize people based on, you know, unchangeable type characteristics.
01:24:34.000And so I guess your question specifically was, what do we do about this kind of social tyranny that we're living through?
01:24:40.000Well, you being here and speaking out, it drives them crazy, right?
01:24:44.000Here's the very important thing, that they want to try to have social control over us.
01:24:48.000They want to try to be able to say, you can't speak here, you can't do that, that we are the final say.
01:24:54.000We have the heckler's veto, if you will.
01:24:57.000Like, we're not going to put up with that.
01:24:58.000Like, the more you try to resist us, the more we want to come to Burlington.
01:25:01.000The more you try to cancel us, the more we actually want to show up.
01:25:04.000And so I would just want to encourage you to keep on speaking out, regardless they call you anti-this, anti-that.
01:25:10.000It's meaningless, garbage-type phrases that they try to use to suppress speech, that they try to use to control opposition and try to have good ideas not be spread.
01:25:19.000But thank you for being here tonight, and glad you took the mask off.
01:25:29.000Hi, my name is Stacey, and I am recently unemployed as of 7 a.m. this morning due to mandated vaccines brought upon my employer.
01:25:38.000I kind of, do I have time to read a quick little tidbit from my employer's only perspective?
01:25:44.000Hospitals in Vermont and nationwide have struggled to balance the imperative to have all staff vaccinated for COVID with the need to maintain service levels during the pandemic.
01:25:53.000Our current outbreak of COVID in the hospital demonstrates a need for an organization-wide mandate for a COVID vaccination.
01:25:59.000Unvaccinated retreat staff have infected other staff and patients.
01:27:49.000And this is a new beginning for myself.
01:27:51.000But I know that many others that I worked with were forced into it, not happy about it, wrote their emails about it afterwards.
01:27:57.000And it put a lot of people in a very big predicament of choosing what they believe and what they believe is right for their body and their livelihood.
01:28:06.000There are many that stood my ground and did not.
01:28:09.000And they are losing employees, but it's this people, what do they do now?
01:29:47.000So what I'm worried about is right now, when I came to the United States in 2018 as a student here, I saw the U.S. as like a beacon of freedom in the world.
01:30:33.000I'm going to ask you a question in a second, which is we have foreign students coming to America, fleeing totalitarianism through many generations to go be taught by our professors and bullied by our young people that they don't know what tyranny is.
01:30:48.000And so I want to ask you this question, which is, did you ever expect to come to an American university and have to be taught what socialism actually is?
01:30:58.000The first thing I saw when I went into my faculty, right, like one of the history professors, he had a picture of Karl Marx in front of it, of Karl Marx.
01:31:08.000Like where I'm from, I got taught about Marxism and all that.
01:31:12.000And people here worshiping Karl Marx, like in the U.S., I can't believe it.
01:31:19.000Well, I'll say this, that I hope Americans start to wake up and realize that what they are trying to bring into this country, what they are trying to implement, has already not been tried, but there is a horror show in their wake.
01:32:18.000And when I moved here, I was sure when I see like most young people and they take the Obamas or Dick Clinton as like people that fighting against racism.
01:32:30.000I was like, do you even know what these people even do to Haiti?
01:32:47.000So I was shocked when people say, oh, like the Wi-Fi can, the conservative people, they want that racist, they hate black people, all that beer.
01:32:59.000So I was like, yo, you don't know what you're talking about.
01:35:43.000And you're going to be a tough one for them to break because you seem to me that you're not going to give into their sort of narrative and their nonsense.
01:35:53.000You're now the third or fourth person that's come up and said, I wasn't born here, but you have no idea how good you have it here in America.
01:36:42.000Well, as you can tell, I'm not from Vermont.
01:36:45.000I'm actually from Northern California, rural Northern California.
01:36:48.000So my question for you: so I'm employed by the federal government, and they press me to get a vaccine, and they press a lot of other people to get a vaccine.
01:36:58.000They're firing people back and forth, but we have elected officials that do not want to take the vaccine.
01:37:06.000I mean, look, again, no one should be forced to get their vaccine against their will.
01:37:09.000I have been doing everything I can to get elected officials to stand up for you, to stand up for your medical rights, to stand up for your autonomy.
01:37:16.000And we need to make more noise, everybody.
01:37:18.000If someone is calling for you, asking for money to go run for re-election, say, where do you stand on mandatory vaccines?
01:37:23.000Why are you forcing young, able-bodied adults?
01:37:25.000By the way, have you had COVID before?
01:38:15.000I'm from Rutland, Vermont, and both of my parents, both of my Rutland, both my parents served in the military, and I'm not as brave as them, but I want to try to go for public office in Vermont, sadly.
01:38:29.000But my question for you is, I've always had a hard time finding a good argument from a Republican view for healthcare.
01:38:39.000Yeah, I mean, that's a great question.
01:38:41.000I mean, first of all, I think we have to understand we have sick care, not healthcare in our country, that the way we eat is total garbage, and that a lot of the problems in our healthcare system are byproducts of poor nutrition and kind of this idea of being addicted to sugar and being addicted to things that are not really good for you at all whatsoever.
01:38:58.000And by the way, the food pyramid is all wrong, just in case you were wondering.
01:39:15.000I think competition, obviously we need in the healthcare system, but I think we can agree with the left on challenging the hospital oligarchy, that hospitals are ripping people off inside and out.
01:39:26.000The left doesn't always agree at this.
01:39:27.000We need price transparency in our hospitals where people know exactly what things cost.
01:39:32.000So you don't get billed something two weeks, three weeks, four weeks later.
01:39:36.000Price transparency is critically important.
01:39:39.000I would also argue that we need to try to have more doctors have the ability to treat people and not kind of have this gatekeeper type deal.
01:40:02.000Just in the last year, we have seen pharmacists lose their license and people get penalized and doctors for prescribing ivermectin hydroxychloroquine.
01:40:11.000This is happening all across the country.
01:40:23.000Nationalization of healthcare is an awful and terrible idea.
01:40:26.000Instead, I think we need to go closer to something that crushes the kind of corporate dominant of Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Johnson Johnson, bio and tech, at the same time, trying to preserve a holistic view of what is healthy, what is a healthy individual, which starts with nutrition, how we educate our kids about it, so on and so forth.
01:41:32.000I'm also going to get some flack for this from this crowd, but I grew up in Boston, often voted the most racist city in the country.
01:41:41.000I would, growing up, would tend to agree with that.
01:41:45.000And I'm pretty impressed with the knowledge you have, like the statistics and things that you can bring to your argument.
01:41:53.000So you've probably seen this study, but there was a study done by the Boston Globe in 2015 that outlined the average family wealth by race in the city of Boston.
01:42:04.000And that found that the average family wealth in Boston for an African-American family was $8.
01:42:11.000And it found that the average family wealth for a white family was $250,000.
01:42:16.000And I'm wondering how, to me, that's like a perfect example of a system that has been racist since the beginning of our country, leading up to the study in 2015, that shows that something has been leading us on this path that makes it much harder for people of color to achieve a middle class lifestyle.
01:42:36.000And I just want to know what your response to be would be to that.
01:42:39.000So, yeah, that's a thoughtful question.
01:42:41.000So disparities, blaming disparities simply and solely on racial discrimination is a mistake.
01:42:49.000And I will yield to the great Thomas Soule on this.
01:42:51.000He wrote a whole book on it called Discrimination and Disparities.
01:42:53.000So disparate outcomes and blaming it solely on racial discrimination on these incredibly complex and numerous inputs and variables is something that is widely over generalistic.
01:43:06.000And so let's look at when the black middle class was growing the fastest in our country, right?
01:43:11.000So I'm going to give you my perspective.
01:43:15.000So I can't speak specifically to Boston, but certain studies have been done very similar in Chicago, where I'm from, and many others, which is...
01:44:36.000There was a moment where that was true, but starting in the early, the late 1800s, early 1900s, there was a huge movement of black individuals running for elected office.
01:45:04.000We have a supply and demand problem with racism in America where we have such a low...
01:45:08.000One second, I'm going to just, we have a supply, we have undersupply of racism and incredible demand to try to find it.
01:45:14.000So the question is, why all of a sudden then did the black middle class growth slow down to a grinding halt and single motherhood go from 26% in the 1960s to well over 70% today?
01:45:26.000Again, I just think it's incredibly objectively true.
01:45:29.000America has become significantly less racist since the 1960s and just in every single metric possible and imaginable.
01:45:35.000But what hasn't, what has changed is that we spent trillions of dollars to subsidize bad behavior, keep fathers out of the home, have a broken education system that fosters illiteracy and unfortunately bad outcomes and outputs.
01:45:49.000And so that question altogether is one much more about whether or not the nuclear family was together and less about skin color, right?
01:45:56.000And so the question is, why did it go from 26% in single motherhood to 70%?
01:46:01.000I'm curious what your explanation would be for that.
01:46:46.000But you could look at through the Great Society program, the creation of the Department of Education, the destruction of black homes, and the integration of these vertical housing units.
01:46:56.000And so, you know, just some numbers here.
01:46:58.000Like, black boys are almost half as likely to end up incarcerated and twice as likely to want to graduate from college for single parents if they're raised in a home with their two parents compared to boys just raised by one parent.
01:47:10.000So it's almost the numbers are incredibly differential in that capacity in that regard.
01:47:16.000And so I would just encourage you, we don't have time to get into this, just look into the studies done by Thomas Soule, where he says, you look at disparate outcomes, don't blame discrimination.
01:47:24.000I'll give you a great example, which is, can we blame the fact that mountain towns and landlocked states are poorer than river towns and port towns?
01:48:06.000I just want to say that because I would say I would love to keep the dialogue going.
01:48:11.000I would love to listen to your podcast and understand where you're coming from.
01:48:15.000If everybody here would listen to Scene on Radio Seen White that delves down into the real history of this country, then we can actually have a dialogue because I feel like I'm doing, so I'm trying to do the research and understand where you are coming from.
01:48:29.000I don't know that everybody's trying to do the research and actually understand.
01:49:11.000So you've talked a lot about religion tonight and the importance of religion in society and the family.
01:49:16.000And I understand the importance of spirituality and the importance of a structured existence.
01:49:22.000My question is: do you believe it's possible or do you believe it's impossible to live a good, moral, satisfied, and structured life without religion?
01:50:00.000And I would argue, though, that you will live a freer, happier life with religion, exceptions excluded.
01:50:07.000And Every possible example I could look through that there is a yearning in the human heart and the human soul for objective meaning and for transcendent order.
01:50:16.000And this is why I'm such a big critic of atheism because it makes religious claims.
01:50:21.000It makes claims that there is no creator, there is no God, there is nothing, and I believe it in almost a religious type way.
01:50:27.000Agnostics, I think, are perfectly, you know, I could deal with agnostics.
01:50:37.000But yeah, I suppose the question is that we derive what is right and wrong, not through a microscope, but through traditions that we derive straight from the scriptures, the decalogue, and things that we take for granted.
01:50:51.000And there's a great, I'll say with this, because I know we're running out of time.
01:50:54.000There's this great document, it's actually not a great documentary, it's actually kind of boring, but it was about the barbarians that used to occupy Gaul, and it was a huge, huge opponent of Rome.
01:51:05.000And there was this one line in it that was so telling, and they said, now, the people of Gaul were a unique people because they did not believe murder was wrong.
01:51:13.000And so they just, if you murdered somebody, it's like, yeah, whatever.
01:51:17.000Now, for us, it's like, what are you talking about?
01:51:19.000It's because you've been raised in a society that was built on a tradition and a morality that stemmed from scripture, stemmed from a Judeo-Christian construct.
01:51:28.000You could disagree with that, but it's objectively true that 55 of 66 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Christian, that the founding documents were deeply prayed over and poured over by activist pastors across the country.
01:51:38.000So I think I answered the question because I know plenty of good people that are atheistic or secular or godless, but their definition of good would come directly back towards a Christian morality.
01:52:18.000So back to my point, as a homeschool mom and as a German, I know eventually they come for you.
01:52:23.000If you don't stop them, they come for you.
01:52:25.000So we have to look, as much as we homeschoolers like to just go keep our children safe and run for the hills, we have to be involved in the larger picture.
01:52:34.000What do you think was the underlying intent of Jimmy Carter and that whole administration in creating the Department of Education?
01:52:40.000What do you think was the underlying intent?
01:52:42.000And what can we do to abolish it so that it returns to the local level?
01:52:47.000The realistic nature of abolishing the Department of Education is highly unlikely.
01:52:52.000The intent was to try to stop the bond between the parent and the child.
01:52:55.000This was done by every sort of totalitarian, tyrannical dictatorship of the 20th century.
01:53:00.000In Mao's Cultural Revolution, they incentivized and paid children to turn in their parents into the state.
01:53:06.000In the USSR, they did exactly the same.
01:53:08.000To the Ten Commandments, the only 10 commandment with a promise is honor your mother and father so that you may live long in the land of which you are in.
01:53:15.000If you have strong relationships with your parents and strong families, your nation will survive.
01:53:20.000A nation goes and starts to demand tyranny if you do not have order and a strong family at home.
01:53:26.000People that are fatherless, people that do not have that structure, they're going to go to try to find that structure somewhere else.
01:53:32.000And so I don't know the intent of Jimmy Carter in particular, but you could see Melissa Harris Perry in 2014 who said, your children are not your own.
01:53:40.000You see someone running for governor in Virginia come out and say, why do parents want to keep on having a say in their children's education?
01:54:09.000So, in closing, everybody, look around you.
01:54:12.000You're not alone here in Burlington, Vermont.
01:54:14.000And we were here to try to force the tough conversations because that's what keeps America a special nation where you can see differences of opinion, where people can be heard.
01:54:23.000Our country's on fragile footing right now.
01:54:25.000And culturally, I do not want to be a country where people are afraid to speak out their viewpoints.
01:54:30.000Be the same person in public that you are in private.
01:54:33.000And to my nice friend from Boston, who was born in Chicago, if you guys would be so inclined to take out your phone and subscribe to our podcast, The Charlie Kirk Show, it does bless us and it does help us a lot.
01:54:42.000You'll be able to re-listen to this entire podcast and the heckling and the nonsense.
01:54:48.000I did my best to continue to go through it, but we need less of that and more listening to the other side where we could be a country of decency, a country of truth, a country of prudence, of one of prosperity and peace for our generation.
01:55:02.000And for young people out there, it's our future.
01:55:04.000Reject radicalism, reject CRT, reject wokeism, be courageous, be strong.
01:55:10.000God bless you, Vermont, and thank you so much for having me.
01:55:17.000Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
01:55:18.000Email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.
01:55:21.000And if you want to support our program, you can do so at charliekirk.com/slash support.
01:55:26.000Thank you so much for listening, everybody.