The Charlie Kirk Show - May 01, 2021


Exposing Dr. Fauci, the Most Dangerous Bureaucrat in America with Steve Deace


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Steve Dacey has a new book out called Fauci and Bargain, where he goes after Dr. Anthony Fauxci comprehensively from a fact-first standpoint. This episode is brought to you by Express, who can protect your data and anonymize your activity at expressvpn.co/charliekirk.

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00:00:17.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:18.000 On the program today, Steve Dace from The Blaze, very smart guy.
00:00:21.000 He has a new book out called Fauci and Bargain, where he goes out after Dr. Anthony Fauci comprehensively from a fact-first standpoint.
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00:02:12.000 Hey, everybody.
00:02:13.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:14.000 With us today is Steve Dace, very smart guy who I love.
00:02:19.000 His tweets, even though I deleted Twitter, people send them to me quite often.
00:02:22.000 And he has a new book, very important book.
00:02:25.000 Can't wait to explore it with him.
00:02:26.000 The Faucian Bargain.
00:02:29.000 Steve, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:32.000 Charlie, it's a pleasure to be with you and congrats on your success, man.
00:02:35.000 Well earned.
00:02:36.000 Thank you.
00:02:36.000 I appreciate that.
00:02:38.000 And I think we met briefly five years ago at a cruise thing.
00:02:42.000 And I hope our paths cross again.
00:02:45.000 So I love the thesis behind this book and I love the title.
00:02:49.000 And I have to compliment you.
00:02:51.000 The picture you chose for your book is perfect.
00:02:55.000 It is absolutely perfect.
00:02:57.000 And I just, I want to say one thing because the podcast audience, they can't see it.
00:03:00.000 So they have to go buy the book to see it.
00:03:01.000 It's a picture of Trump's back walking out and Fauci, I just with this sinister, it's just a perfect, it's a 10 out of 10.
00:03:09.000 Steve, why'd you write this book?
00:03:11.000 We wrote this book, Charlie, so that this would never ever happen again.
00:03:15.000 What's gone down in the last year?
00:03:18.000 And what blew me away about this entire story is I really thought when I started pushing back on the Imperial College model, looking at its premise, its conclusions, the plot holes of data that existed within it.
00:03:33.000 For example, the entire model is predicated on how it believes coronavirus will spread to the population while also admitting it doesn't know really how coronavirus spreads.
00:03:43.000 Other than that, you know, this is some very sound logic.
00:03:47.000 I really thought when I first started pushing back on this last year that it was going to be a proxy fight for global warming and it would still be, it would be the Charlie Kirks and Steve Dace's and Breitbarts and blazes of the world against academia, right?
00:04:02.000 What really shocked me is the day after the Imperial College model came out, Dr. Sunitre Gupta at Oxford University was quoted in the pages of The Economist, a left-leaning publication, saying that this model is bunk.
00:04:18.000 It's not real science.
00:04:19.000 It's not epidemiology.
00:04:21.000 This should not be our policy here in the UK.
00:04:24.000 The first weekend of lockdowns, you saw Dr. Tony Katz of Yale University in the pages of the New York Times saying locking down the healthy isn't the way to go.
00:04:34.000 Michael Osterholm from the Center for Infectious Diseases at the University of Minnesota, now working in the Biden administration, wrote virtually the same thing the first weekend in the Washington Post.
00:04:45.000 And as time went on, more and more experts from elite universities, Stanford University, before we even knew what a Scott Atlas was, they were conducting seroprevalence studies that showed a lot of the calculations we have about when this virus arrived and therefore when the curve began to rise are way off.
00:05:06.000 Martin Koldorf, who helped design the VARES site for CDC out of Harvard University, I could give you lists and lists of names of experts at places.
00:05:15.000 I mean, the entire Center for Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford, that's the number one based, number one ranked university in the world, Charlie, according to U.S. News and World Report. 0.97
00:05:24.000 Lots of academics who probably also believe there's 57 genders and the world's going to fry from global warming in 10 years, thought this was total and complete crap. 0.99
00:05:33.000 It was terrible science. 0.99
00:05:35.000 And yet the entire world fell into this trap.
00:05:37.000 The one country that didn't, Sweden, is the country that exported Greta Thunberg to the world, which just shows how crazy this is.
00:05:44.000 And so we thought somebody needed to supply the average American with the real data that they're not being told by their media and by their so-called experts so they can get their country back.
00:05:54.000 And that's what we have in the book, Fauci and Bargain.
00:05:57.000 It has more footnotes than pages so that you can go and make the argument to your governors, your legislators, school boards, et cetera.
00:06:04.000 So, first of all, the title is brilliant.
00:06:06.000 It's a playoff of an idea, the Faustian bargain, which is basically a deal with the devil.
00:06:11.000 That's the best way I can explain it.
00:06:13.000 I believe it comes from a play from like the 1500s, if I remember.
00:06:16.000 Faust was the name of it.
00:06:17.000 Anyway, terrific is a really good title.
00:06:20.000 And again, the picture under the cover is just so awesome because the deeper truth of the book.
00:06:27.000 I read a couple parts of it that was sent to me just episodes, and the endorsements are phenomenal.
00:06:27.000 I haven't read the book.
00:06:32.000 But what you're getting at here is that an unelected, basically unknown technocrat was running all of our public policy decisions.
00:06:44.000 And the picture, I think, embodies that because the person who people actually voted for, the person that is within our constitutional system, he's being manipulated and puppeteered by this sociopath.
00:06:58.000 Talk to us about Dr. Fauci, the person, because that's actually what you lead with, right?
00:07:04.000 And I want to get to the things you were talking about.
00:07:06.000 But you say it's the most, he was the most powerful and dangerous bureaucrat in American history.
00:07:12.000 That's quite a statement.
00:07:13.000 More than J. Edgar Hoover, more than some of these guys that have had.
00:07:17.000 Tell me why.
00:07:18.000 Everybody that's going to listen to us in this podcast, Charlie, everybody, whether it's, can I go outside and breathe air without a mask?
00:07:26.000 Can my kids be in school?
00:07:28.000 Can I have a business?
00:07:29.000 Can I have a job?
00:07:30.000 Can I go to an event?
00:07:31.000 Can I go worship at a church?
00:07:33.000 Can I worship in my home with other people?
00:07:36.000 Can I see my sick mom or grandmother or sick father, grandfather?
00:07:40.000 There is no element of our lives that has gone untouched by the authority of Anthony Fauci without a single vote being cast, mail order or any other method.
00:07:51.000 No vote was cast.
00:07:53.000 This is supposed to be government by the consent of the governed.
00:07:56.000 No one consented to this.
00:07:57.000 On top of that, we have been denied really what I would argue are two of the bedrock principles of our healthcare system.
00:08:04.000 Number one, informed consent.
00:08:07.000 The idea that if you go to a doctor and he says you've got a mass on a sensitive part of your body, an extremity on your brain.
00:08:15.000 And here's what will happen if we don't remove it.
00:08:17.000 So we got to remove it right now.
00:08:18.000 The idea that you don't have a say in that.
00:08:20.000 You don't get to ask, is the cure worse than the disease?
00:08:23.000 What's my recovery time look like?
00:08:25.000 What's the rehab look like?
00:08:27.000 If we remove that thing from my brain, will I be a vegetable?
00:08:30.000 Will I be able to get back to some form of normalcy?
00:08:33.000 And then maybe you'll make the decision that living 10 years that way isn't as good as living out the next 18 months, still being able to love people and have them know and love you.
00:08:42.000 I mean, those are the things with informed consent.
00:08:45.000 We get to make those decisions.
00:08:47.000 And we've never been offered that this entire time.
00:08:49.000 And on top of that, we've never been offered a second opinion.
00:08:52.000 I mean, the idea that you immediately have to go under the knife, no matter how dire it is, and cannot get a second opinion, that is not how we operate here with our healthcare system.
00:09:01.000 Yet we were denied hearing from these counter experts at these elite academic institutions.
00:09:06.000 Why?
00:09:07.000 Because Anthony Fauci, except for the AIDS crisis in the 80s, is a largely unremarkable figure.
00:09:14.000 You cannot really point to, again, other than AIDS.
00:09:16.000 And he's been there.
00:09:17.000 He's one of the longest serving bureaucrats currently in government.
00:09:21.000 He's the highest paid bureaucrat currently in government.
00:09:24.000 You cannot point, this isn't even Francis Collins, who he works with NIH, who mapped the human genome.
00:09:30.000 Whether you think Francis Collins is right about COVID or not, and I don't, mapping the human genome is a pretty illustrious accomplishment, I would guess.
00:09:38.000 And this is a rather unremarkable figure.
00:09:41.000 This is not somebody, for example, that's anywhere near the name escapes me right now of the gentleman that was considered the Frenchman, who was considered the leading infectious disease expert until President Trump, unfortunately, mentioned his work on hydroxychloroquine, a Didier Riol.
00:09:58.000 That's right.
00:09:59.000 He was considered the world's foremost expert on infectious disease until he mentioned hydroxychloroquine and Trump quoted him and then suddenly he became a quack.
00:10:08.000 You can't really point to anything like that with Anthony Fauci other than his work on AIDS.
00:10:12.000 And originally he was highly criticized for not taking it seriously and sparking panics.
00:10:18.000 I'm a little bit older than you.
00:10:19.000 So you don't remember when we all were told that we could get AIDS off a toilet seat at school, for example, all right?
00:10:25.000 The panic that went on in the 1980s over that. 0.51
00:10:28.000 Very similar in a way to what's going on with COVID, that it was going to spread into the heterosexual community and kill just as many heterosexuals as it did in the homosexual community, which of course never occurred.
00:10:39.000 A lot of the same scare tactics and politicization of that virus went on with this one. 0.53
00:10:43.000 He was involved with that as well.
00:10:45.000 But other than that, most of his career is largely unremarkable.
00:10:48.000 And I think that's important for our audience to understand because he's 80.
00:10:53.000 If he had retired five years ago, 10 years ago, like a lot of people at that age group do, this would have largely been the same.
00:11:00.000 This is the construct of the swamp.
00:11:02.000 If he were gone, another creature would have emerged from the black lagoon.
00:11:06.000 Maybe it would have been Debbie bedazzle your face shield Burks and I get to visit my parents on Thanksgiving while I tell you to stay home.
00:11:13.000 Who knows who it would have been?
00:11:14.000 That's the point.
00:11:15.000 None of us knew who the hell, what the hell an Anthony Fauci was, you know, 18 months ago.
00:11:20.000 And now he's Max Hedrum in all of our homes.
00:11:23.000 He's omnipresent.
00:11:24.000 That's the point of the bureaucratic state.
00:11:26.000 If it wasn't going to be him, it was just going to be somebody else.
00:11:31.000 So there's three things I want to unpack with how Anthony Fauci was able to have so much power.
00:11:37.000 Two of them are a symptom, I think, of a system.
00:11:41.000 And one of them I actually place on President Trump because he could have actually changed something.
00:11:46.000 And I say this as obviously a vocal Trump supporter.
00:11:48.000 And I've said this before.
00:11:50.000 The first is this idea that we're not allowed to challenge medical experts.
00:11:53.000 Like the minute they go on TV, no matter what they say, it is the ultimate logical fallacy, argument from authority.
00:12:01.000 I'm a doctor, you're not.
00:12:02.000 Sit down and obey.
00:12:04.000 When in reality, this stuff actually is complicated, but the end result isn't that complicated, right?
00:12:11.000 There's some very basic, you don't need just a very elementary understanding of chemistry and biology, science, math, and kind of risk analysis to make some of these decisions.
00:12:23.000 And once you present these studies, they're not that hard to follow for smart people that just take the time.
00:12:23.000 Sure.
00:12:29.000 I truly believe that.
00:12:31.000 Can I address that individually since you just made that point?
00:12:33.000 Do you mind really quick?
00:12:34.000 Yeah, please do.
00:12:34.000 And I have two more, so don't let me forget, but yeah, please go into that one.
00:12:37.000 Yeah.
00:12:37.000 Because this is a very important point that you're making.
00:12:39.000 I had to do this with my audience over with our podcast over at Blaze TV.
00:12:44.000 I had to do this from the very beginning.
00:12:45.000 I had to separate expertise from the worldview bias.
00:12:50.000 And the analogy I gave my audience, Charlie, is if I go to the Grand Canyon, all right, I want to have, and I have a decorated geologist giving me a tour, the world's most renowned geologist.
00:13:01.000 I'm going to be very honored to have him give me a tour and explain sediment formations and things that are beyond my area of expertise.
00:13:09.000 And he's going to, and I'm going to defer to that expertise provided it stays in that realm.
00:13:14.000 But then when he turns to me and says, and of course, we know that all of this majesty you're now gazing upon all happened because 20 billion years ago, one single-celled protein combined with an amino acid caused the Big Bang.
00:13:27.000 And now through a series of natural random coincidences, billions of years later, here we are.
00:13:32.000 That's what I'm going to call horsepucky because we moved beyond your expertise to your worldview bias.
00:13:40.000 Where does the expertise end and the worldview bias began?
00:13:45.000 Because again, we have been denied the fact there are lots of experts here with a counter opinion.
00:13:50.000 Two weeks ago, Governor DeSantis hosted a conference.
00:13:53.000 Experts from Harvard, Stanford, and Oxford.
00:13:57.000 These are three universities 99.9% of this planet cannot get admitted to.
00:14:02.000 And yet, some skinny gene-wearing algorithm, you know, avocado test, toast-obsessed, you know, algorithm runner at Facebook decided you could, or I'm sorry, YouTube decided he knew more about this than these people did.
00:14:15.000 That's the problem here.
00:14:17.000 It's that it's not even the expertise, but it was only one narrative of expertise.
00:14:23.000 I have to tell you about this incredible movie, Roe versus Wade.
00:14:27.000 This is not a documentary.
00:14:28.000 It's a real Hollywood movie with actors like John Voigt, a friend of mine, Stacey Dash, and John Schneider from Dukes of Hazard, Steve Guttenberg from Police Academy, and even L.A. Laws, Corbin Bernson.
00:14:37.000 Not some boring movie about a court case.
00:14:39.000 No, no, no.
00:14:40.000 I was blown away to learn about how Planned Parenthood manipulated the courts and lied to the media back in the 70s, all for power and greed.
00:14:46.000 And this was a mass conspiracy, including the corruption of Supreme Court justices.
00:14:51.000 Literally the most famous court case in American history that everyone has heard about, but no one knew anything about.
00:14:55.000 Finally, the truth comes out.
00:14:56.000 Hollywood and the media have tried to stop this movie from coming out.
00:14:59.000 It could get canceled any moment and banned every day.
00:15:01.000 So go see it right now before they remove it from iTunes, Amazon, Google Play, or download it from your major cable or satellite carrier.
00:15:07.000 It's on demand.
00:15:08.000 Enjoy Roe versus Wade, the movie, today.
00:15:13.000 Yeah, you're right.
00:15:14.000 And I will say, though, that there is a conversation stopper, especially in medicine.
00:15:19.000 And it's something that has to change in these upper middle class communities.
00:15:24.000 And I was raised in one of those in the suburbs of Chicago.
00:15:27.000 And visiting back, it is this incantation.
00:15:31.000 Well, the doctors and the science say.
00:15:34.000 And there is no discussion past that at all.
00:15:37.000 It doesn't matter if you say, well, I could tell you that I think hydroxychloroquine is working with this friend I gave it to, and all of a sudden they saw rapid change.
00:15:46.000 Or what about this doctor?
00:15:47.000 No, no, no.
00:15:48.000 It is submitted, signed, sealed, and bloomers.
00:15:51.000 This kind of untouchable new kind of cable pundit that we were introduced to in the last year that I think the left is only going to use against us more, which is why I want to just thank you for your book.
00:15:51.000 That's number one.
00:16:03.000 If we do not call BS on this new authority figure that is never really, you're right. 0.81
00:16:10.000 The AIDS thing is a good example, but this is a whole new phenomenon: the restriction of freedom and liberty because I have a title that I'm a doctor and I'm going to go do 100 cable news hits and all of a sudden I could turn off the American project. 0.90
00:16:22.000 Like that's never happened before.
00:16:24.000 Number two, and I'm sure you talk about this in your book, is that we are living in an extra constitutional state where Dr. Anthony Fauci, you're right.
00:16:37.000 If he would have been replaced, it would have just been, there could have been someone even worse.
00:16:42.000 I know it's hard for people to believe, but there might have been someone even more power-hungry than Fauci and even more sociopathic.
00:16:49.000 Do you talk about that in the book about how we're in this extra constitutional moment?
00:16:52.000 Absolutely.
00:16:53.000 Absolutely.
00:16:54.000 And we begin the book that way because though he's on the cover and, you know, you understand successful political activism.
00:17:03.000 You can't rally people against an esoteric notion.
00:17:07.000 No, I love how you personalize it.
00:17:09.000 It's one of Onalinski's rules.
00:17:10.000 You must personalize it.
00:17:12.000 You've got to give people a villain to rally against.
00:17:15.000 But understand that Anthony Fauci is a hydra. 0.84
00:17:20.000 If you know the mythological reference, you cut the head off. 0.78
00:17:23.000 There will be another one to take its place.
00:17:25.000 And we get into that in the very beginning of the book.
00:17:28.000 We quote from President Eisenhower's farewell address.
00:17:31.000 And a lot of times the fear of the military-industrial complex that he talks about has been quoted so many times.
00:17:37.000 But there's another aspect of that farewell address where he warns the American people about the rise of essentially tyranny of the expert class.
00:17:44.000 That we're on the cutting edge of scientific, post-World War II, scientific advancements never seen before in human history.
00:17:53.000 Enjoy those.
00:17:55.000 They'll bring you great blessing, but don't allow that to be where you mentioned the false ability of the appeal to authority.
00:18:03.000 I hand over my freedoms and liberties now because so-and-so has this many abbreviations of accommodation after his name.
00:18:11.000 The Constitution begins with the words, we the people, not them, the experts.
00:18:16.000 It's well said.
00:18:17.000 It's very wise.
00:18:18.000 I'm a big Eisenhower fan.
00:18:19.000 I know that not all Republicans are, but he loved his country and he was willing to call balls and strikes.
00:18:24.000 Now we have a medical industrial complex.
00:18:26.000 Go figure that one.
00:18:27.000 So then the third thing that I'm not sure if you talk about, and I say this as a supporter of President Trump, he should have gone scorched earth on these people early.
00:18:35.000 He should have quarantined himself from these medical experts and he should have had the right people like Scott Atlas around him early.
00:18:42.000 Now, the only danger to that is that Fauci and these people would have been on cable television blaming him even more for all these deaths, but they were doing that anyway.
00:18:52.000 And so I don't think that that could have been any worse than it was.
00:18:57.000 That's the only counter argument that I've heard is like, well, Charlie, we would have created this whole kind of like dissident kind of, you know, it would have, it helped to have him close and then they didn't totally turn against us.
00:19:08.000 I'm not totally sure that's a good argument.
00:19:10.000 What do you make of that?
00:19:11.000 Do you think that there should have been at least some separation from this kind of permanent bureaucratic medical establishment and the president?
00:19:21.000 From the very beginning, I thought 15 days to flatten the curve was a terrible idea, but I think mercy can triumph over judgment given the fact that We were also being told from our intelligence sources, you couldn't trust what we were hearing from China and the WHO.
00:19:39.000 Amazingly, that tweet from last January 31st that the Chinese confirm there's no human-to-human transmission of coronavirus on the WHO Twitter account is actually still up. 0.72
00:19:50.000 They don't even have the self-awareness to delete that tweet. 0.96
00:19:52.000 And Twitter allows it to stay up.
00:19:54.000 Of course, they do.
00:19:55.000 Yes, you can still go and find it.
00:19:56.000 Okay.
00:19:57.000 So I think we can all not backseat drive and Monday morning quarterback to the point of giving every elected leader the benefit of the doubt for that first 15 days.
00:20:09.000 Where I think this thing went off the rails was the 30 days to slow the spread.
00:20:13.000 That is where the blue state governor said, thank you for the precedent.
00:20:17.000 We'll take it from here.
00:20:18.000 We can create all we can get our tyranny on in all forms. 0.84
00:20:21.000 And a few red state governors did as well. 0.96
00:20:23.000 I mean, Mike DeWine in Ohio has just is ridiculous.
00:20:26.000 I mean, I've seen him compose literal sonnets to COVID and coronavirus. 0.91
00:20:32.000 He thinks he's Winston Churchill.
00:20:33.000 I'm saving the people of Ohio against a virus with a 1.7%.
00:20:38.000 Yeah, well, that's more like it, yes.
00:20:40.000 With a 1.7% CFR.
00:20:43.000 And I think that's where the narrative to this was lost.
00:20:46.000 If we could go back in time, hop in the DeLorean and go back in time.
00:20:50.000 And I have had, and I mean, I'm not, wasn't as well connected in that world as you were, but there are several people that worked in the Trump White House, even at a high level, Hogan Gigley, Kellyanne Conway, that I had relationships with prior to the Trump White House.
00:21:03.000 And I've always been hesitant about tapping into those because part of my job also is to be at least somewhat objective in my analysis.
00:21:14.000 And it's hard to do that with personal relationships.
00:21:17.000 And then, you know, your friends feel like you kind of turned on them.
00:21:20.000 So I've always viewed it maybe when they're in active office, like we just put the friendship on hold.
00:21:26.000 You do your job, I'll do mine.
00:21:27.000 And let's not cross the streams like in Ghostbusters.
00:21:30.000 But in this case, I violated one of my own rules.
00:21:33.000 I spent months contacting, emailing anybody I knew, maybe that maybe had coffee or something with Donald Trump one time.
00:21:40.000 Okay.
00:21:42.000 You know, we're losing the narrative here.
00:21:44.000 Do you know who a Sunetre Gupta is?
00:21:47.000 Do you know who a Martin Koldorf is?
00:21:49.000 Do you know what Carnegie Mellon, where Carnegie Mellon University, Rockefeller University, these are all places that are pushing back on this narrative?
00:21:57.000 The 30 days to slow the spread, if we could do one thing differently, it would have been before they gave up during those first 15 days, Charlie.
00:22:04.000 The president should have gone wisdom in a multitude of councils, I quote Proverbs, brought all of these experts in.
00:22:10.000 All right, hey, we took a timeout like in a college basketball game.
00:22:13.000 The momentum's going against you.
00:22:15.000 You call a timeout to slow the other team down.
00:22:17.000 We're doing that right now.
00:22:18.000 We're slowing the spread, flattening the curve, making sure our hospital systems don't get overrun.
00:22:23.000 But how serious, how terrible is this?
00:22:26.000 We have to come up with our own.
00:22:28.000 We got to terraform this thing from the very beginning, our own real-time data. 0.98
00:22:31.000 We can't trust China. 1.00
00:22:33.000 So I'm going to put all of you in a room. 0.99
00:22:34.000 We're going to put this on camera on C-SPAN, White House feed, unedited.
00:22:39.000 Everyone can watch.
00:22:41.000 We're going to put an expert steel cage match, and you guys go back and forth with each other, and the best ideas are coming out of that room.
00:22:47.000 And that's what I'm going to do.
00:22:49.000 We never did that.
00:22:50.000 We never got a second opinion.
00:22:52.000 And I think by the time they figured out that Fauci was utilizing them for whatever his ultimate purpose is, and that this was a scam, he had been permitted to use the platform of the White House to build himself up into an almost mythological status.
00:23:10.000 Yes.
00:23:10.000 That the blowback against getting rid of him, the point of diminishing returns had not been reached yet.
00:23:18.000 And I'm okay with that.
00:23:20.000 This is what's different maybe with guys like you and I, because we've been a part of and worked on campaigns.
00:23:24.000 It's not so, you know, I'm an ID log, but it's different when you've been on a campaign and you see how the nuts and bolts of the process and how minds are really made up.
00:23:33.000 And you understand it's not as cut and dry of a process that it is from the outside.
00:23:38.000 But they could have found a point of diminishing returns earlier.
00:23:43.000 I mean, I'm emailing, I'm emailing Jenny Thomas, Clarence Thomas's wife, who's got, who counts Mike Pence as a friend and things of that nature.
00:23:52.000 Hey, see if they know who, and this is his task force, right?
00:23:55.000 Do they know who Scott Atlas is?
00:23:56.000 We were one of the first shows to have him on right after his first piece in The Hill in May of last year.
00:24:01.000 You know, put him in Fauci's place.
00:24:03.000 Get a control of this narrative.
00:24:05.000 I would argue it wasn't until the president got COVID himself, got treated with things like Regeneron and came out of the hospital that he actually got on the narrative that he should have been on probably in July and August to push back more successfully on the teachers' unions.
00:24:20.000 They just, once they got behind the curve, Charlie, with 30 days to slow the spread, they just could never get ahead of the narrative again after that.
00:24:26.000 Yeah, and it always should have been focused on therapeutics, not lockdowns and this vaccination stuff.
00:24:32.000 The vaccine was a false promise.
00:24:34.000 No one actually believed it in the sense of it wasn't going to happen anytime soon.
00:24:39.000 And the whole framing should have always been, we're in a political moment.
00:24:42.000 Are we going to use this as a chance to get four more years or to lose miserably?
00:24:47.000 And I know a lot of people that were making those decisions.
00:24:51.000 And I say this as obviously a loyal supporter, right?
00:24:55.000 I just, I was very frustrated with some of that.
00:24:57.000 And so now I want to focus on a positive of this because I think that if this would have been handled on a federal level, like someone handled it on a state level, then I think things could have been a lot different.
00:25:08.000 And so one of the aspects of our country that made us not like the rest of the world is the fact that we have a state-based system, the fact that there was a difference between Charlie Baker and Ron DeSantis.
00:25:20.000 Ron DeSantis is the quote on the front of your book.
00:25:23.000 Get specific.
00:25:24.000 What decisions did he make that were bold, wise, and courageous?
00:25:28.000 And what were the results of those decisions?
00:25:31.000 He followed data and not narrative.
00:25:34.000 It's funny when we were requesting to get Governor DeSantis' endorsement for the book, and I anticipated it would be something fairly benign if we got one.
00:25:46.000 But instead, he went right after Fauciism.
00:25:50.000 He's using that term as if it's just mere theorizing or sociopathic malevolent BSing, which is what I think it is.
00:25:59.000 I agree.
00:26:01.000 And what he went after was what does the data show?
00:26:04.000 He actually, you know, this may be the only time I'm going to say in the last year or so, let me defend Anthony Fauci on something.
00:26:12.000 But the other day when he was being questioned by Jim Jordan, and I felt like, you know, the House Freedom Caucus bought 5,000 copies of this book to spread around.
00:26:21.000 So I wonder if Jim's had a chance to look at it or read it.
00:26:24.000 Because he was grilling Anthony Fauci pretty hard, which I enjoyed.
00:26:27.000 But he asked him where he balanced the Constitution with all of this.
00:26:31.000 And Fauci said, well, I don't.
00:26:32.000 I would actually argue that's really not his job.
00:26:35.000 I mean, if you and I have a serious Elm ailment, we don't want our doctor balancing treatment on the base of what he thinks the insurance company will cover, right?
00:26:44.000 That's a reality of the situation.
00:26:46.000 I mean, someone's got to pay for this.
00:26:47.000 But we want him in that role, his highest motivation to be, how do I get well?
00:26:53.000 And so I don't think it was necessarily Fauci's job to balance the constitutional aspects of this.
00:26:59.000 I think it was his job to look at contrary data to his own narrative and seek counsel outside of his own narrative, which he didn't do.
00:27:06.000 I think it was actually the governor's and the executives' jobs, the mayor's jobs, the people who sit in executive offices in the executive branch.
00:27:14.000 It was their job to consider the broader implications of this, which is, you know, if we shut down hospitals for this long, here's one of the stats in our book that's going to blow people away.
00:27:23.000 Last year, hospitalizations in America, Charlie, were actually collectively 8% lower than pre-COVID industry forecasts heading into the year 2020.
00:27:33.000 8% lower.
00:27:34.000 All right.
00:27:35.000 And so, what does that mean?
00:27:36.000 It means people didn't go in for cancer screenings like they used to.
00:27:39.000 People didn't go in for a lot of preventative things, heart disease screenings.
00:27:43.000 That's the number one killer in our culture, over 600 deaths a year.
00:27:46.000 How did we come up with these vaccines so fast?
00:27:49.000 Well, it wasn't just the funding, but I'll bet you that these cutting-edge pharmaceutical companies took their entire RD departments and put them on COVID vaccinations, which means we also lost a year of cutting-edge cancer treatments and therapies and exploration.
00:28:04.000 We lost a year of virtually everything in this process because there was no balance brought to it.
00:28:09.000 We were told this is Captain Tripp's, it's the walking dead.
00:28:12.000 We have to do something about this right now.
00:28:14.000 It's important to do something about this right now, but what's the downside?
00:28:18.000 What's the law of unintended consequences here?
00:28:20.000 And that's really the job of elected officials to do that on our behalf.
00:28:24.000 If we shut schools down for a year, what do we do in terms of childhood development?
00:28:30.000 What does that do in terms of the mental health of both the parents and the students?
00:28:34.000 No one asked any of those kinds of questions, really, until a few governors.
00:28:38.000 Ron was one of the very first.
00:28:39.000 I would argue our governor here, where I live in Iowa, Kim Reynolds, did a lot of this from the very beginning.
00:28:44.000 Now, what helped her, I think, is the fact that we also here in Iowa help feed most of the world with the ag industry.
00:28:50.000 You shut us down, millions and millions of people all over the world are going to starve.
00:28:54.000 And so, Kim kind of had an incentive built in to push back against this like a lot of other governors didn't.
00:29:00.000 But in Ron DeSantis' case, I mean, you're talking about the ultimate swing state.
00:29:04.000 The last 11 presidential elections in Florida have been decided by an average of two and a half points.
00:29:09.000 So, Trump winning by four and a half points is a veritable landslide in that state.
00:29:13.000 Guy won by 40,000 or 50,000 votes, I believe.
00:29:17.000 You're also talking about the second largest elderly population in America.
00:29:21.000 If there was ever a Republican who could have justified being just a complete wimp and punking out on this, it would have been Ron DeSantis under those circumstances.
00:29:30.000 But instead, he followed the data and the science and went contrarian against everyone else instead because he followed data and science.
00:29:40.000 And too many of our executives still aren't doing that.
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00:30:49.000 And he had courage, too, which is he was unafraid of what they would call him, and he persisted nonetheless.
00:30:54.000 And he has a success story to show for it, where the rest of the many of the other states, like Ohio and Massachusetts, with Republican governors, have been a complete and total disaster.
00:31:04.000 I mean, Ron has been amazing on almost every single one of these other issues.
00:31:08.000 So, Steve, I want to close on this thought.
00:31:10.000 I want to explore it with you.
00:31:12.000 I'm not convinced we're in a place where this is never going to happen again.
00:31:14.000 I think we're more prepared to have this happen again.
00:31:17.000 What do we have to do to draw the line in the sand, learn the lesson?
00:31:21.000 Did we learn a lesson?
00:31:23.000 If we don't, we're going to get ample opportunities to learn it again.
00:31:26.000 Okay.
00:31:27.000 You know, there's an old, there's an old proverb, a Japanese business proverb when they were competing against us head-to-head in the auto industry in the 80s, and they used to say to each other, Americans don't have the time to do the job right the first time, but they certainly find the time to do the job over again.
00:31:42.000 Okay.
00:31:43.000 And you heard Anthony Fauci was just, and I'm sure this was not an innocent question.
00:31:48.000 Just out of nowhere, asked by Dana Bash on CNN over the weekend: is gun violence a public health situation?
00:31:55.000 Last week, the head of the CEDC referred to non or lack of wokeism as a public health problem.
00:32:02.000 They figured out, you know, they've been trying to, all these culture war issues that have been so divisive for decades in America, where we have strong feelings, and I have my own, from gay marriage to abortion, things of that nature.
00:32:13.000 And yet, despite them, we still found the opportunity to share Americana together, sporting events, church, things of that nature, schools.
00:32:22.000 They couldn't, the spirit of the age could not figure out what do we have to do to make this personal.
00:32:28.000 So, on a house-to-house, street-by-street basis, you won't go out of your home because Karen in the cul-de-sac will make your life a living hell if you do without a mask.
00:32:37.000 How do we do that to you?
00:32:39.000 And they figured out, they figured out through COVID, the words public health are the Rosetta Stone.
00:32:44.000 That's how we open Sesame, that's how we bring the battle home so you can't go anywhere without a lecture.
00:32:51.000 You can't watch anything without being sermonized.
00:32:54.000 Everything now is a battle everywhere you go.
00:32:57.000 And so, since this tactic worked where this is concerned, Charlie, they're going to do this on virtually every issue.
00:33:03.000 COVID is not an outlier, it's an omen.
00:33:05.000 This is how these are the new rules of engagement of political and cultural warfare in America.
00:33:11.000 And we better be prepared to confront it because this is, pardon the expression, politically, anyway, the new normal.
00:33:18.000 We are going to have mandated lockdowns once a week or once a month in the next decade to try to fight climate change.
00:33:25.000 I'm telling you right now.
00:33:26.000 Yeah.
00:33:27.000 Yeah.
00:33:27.000 We are going to have woke passports where you are not allowed to stay at certain Marriott or Hilton hotels if you have not gone through critical race theory training.
00:33:36.000 It's happening.
00:33:37.000 I don't Imperial College's biggest benefactor, and this is mentioned in the book as well.
00:33:42.000 The biggest benefactor of Imperial College, which was the original model, it's funny, the UK was originally going to pursue a Swedish model. 0.95
00:33:49.000 And then the Imperial College model came up, and then Boris Johnson has done lost his damn mind ever since. 0.98
00:33:53.000 Okay. 0.99
00:33:54.000 Well, the Imperial College, one of its biggest benefactors, is a man named Jeremy Grantham.
00:34:00.000 Jeremy Grantham is a multi-billionaire.
00:34:02.000 He has donated over 80% of his wealth to stopping what he calls the 250-year bubble caused by fossil fuels.
00:34:10.000 He is a radical AOC-style environmentalist, which is why when you read the Imperial College model, all of their solutions to this are proto-versions of a reset of a Green New Deal.
00:34:23.000 That's not a coincidence.
00:34:24.000 In fact, shortly after the Imperial College model came out, they came out with another paper, which got almost no fanfare, saying that this is now our opportunity to reinstitute, reinitiate Western civilization in a more environmentally friendly way.
00:34:39.000 And I think that should also be something audiences like ours need to be aware of.
00:34:43.000 That look how quickly COVID shows up, whether it came from a Chinese lab or we just got Wuhan for luck one day at a wet market, or maybe it came from the natural world, but they were trying to alter it. 0.81
00:34:55.000 Who knows? 0.95
00:34:56.000 Okay.
00:34:56.000 But regardless of its origins, once it got airborne into the general population, look how fast the spirit of the age had multiple sectors within its operation mobilized to act on this right away.
00:35:09.000 It took 10 minutes for Bill Gates to be on TV talking about vaccinations and boosters.
00:35:13.000 They were ready to go.
00:35:14.000 They were ready to pounce on this.
00:35:17.000 And that's the other thing to keep in mind.
00:35:18.000 If it wasn't coronavirus, they just would have pounced on something else.
00:35:22.000 It just so happens this one was especially different, and it just lended itself to every imaginable totalitarian and tyrannical impulse out there.
00:35:22.000 Yeah.
00:35:34.000 Every single thing is that because no one wants to die, and they are willing to give up everything if they think that the person in charge is going to keep them safe.
00:35:46.000 Safetyism versus liberty, which is unfortunately, we let this happen.
00:35:50.000 And so I guess my final, final, final question, Steve, is what can people do about this?
00:35:55.000 Obviously, buy the book. 0.96
00:35:56.000 It's Faucian bargain. 1.00
00:35:58.000 You've said some very wise things, and you have a lot of courage to write this book. 0.92
00:36:02.000 I hope you can actually force a response from Fauci of this book.
00:36:05.000 I really do.
00:36:07.000 Well, we've had over 100 members of our audience send copies of this book to his office, and they're actually signing for it.
00:36:14.000 So they've gotten it.
00:36:15.000 I know that.
00:36:16.000 Here's the number one thing.
00:36:17.000 I would like to do that.
00:36:18.000 Amazon lets you send it to any address you want, actually.
00:36:21.000 I can't stand it. 0.88
00:36:24.000 You have to do Amazon bunch of maniacs.
00:36:24.000 I get the book thing.
00:36:27.000 Yeah, the 83% of all books in America are sold through Amazon.
00:36:31.000 I can't stand Amazon.
00:36:32.000 I want to talk to you later about corporate tyranny, but it actually ties into this, interestingly.
00:36:36.000 What can people do, Steve?
00:36:37.000 People feel helpless.
00:36:38.000 People are like, Charlie, I do my own little silent protests when I walk through the grocery store with my mask on my chin, not in my mouth.
00:36:44.000 I'm like, that's not going to save the West.
00:36:45.000 Okay.
00:36:46.000 But what can people do?
00:36:48.000 You know, information is the ultimate weapon of mass destruction.
00:36:52.000 Whoever controls the flow of information has control.
00:36:56.000 One of the seminal dates in Western civilization is All Hallows Eve, 1517.
00:37:00.000 And that is the date a little Augustinian, a cranky little Augustinian monk named Martin Luther went to the doors of his seminary in Wittenberg and nailed 95 Theses to a door.
00:37:10.000 Now, he had no idea what this information, then he had it printed on Gutenberg's printing press and started sharing it.
00:37:16.000 He had no idea ultimately that putting that information into people's hands would change the course of Western civilization, which it did.
00:37:24.000 And 500 years later, when the History Channel did their most important people of the Millennium, he was number two on the list.
00:37:29.000 Okay.
00:37:30.000 So what you can do with this information, it now comes down to what our audience is.
00:37:34.000 We've compiled it for you.
00:37:36.000 It's in your hands.
00:37:37.000 You now need to take this to your school boards and refuse to take no for an answer.
00:37:42.000 You're in charge.
00:37:43.000 Assert your authority.
00:37:46.000 Government by the consent of the governed.
00:37:48.000 We're not a nation of laws and never have been.
00:37:51.000 We are a nation of political will and always will be.
00:37:54.000 If you haven't seen that with BLM in the last year, it doesn't matter how many laws they break.
00:37:59.000 They have political will and so they gain power.
00:38:02.000 We can do the exact same thing.
00:38:04.000 The data is on our side.
00:38:06.000 Take it to your school boards.
00:38:08.000 Be relentless. 1.00
00:38:09.000 No more just one woman walking into a right aid or a Costco without a mask.
00:38:13.000 10 guys from now on are walking into Walmart together.
00:38:16.000 We're not doing this any longer.
00:38:18.000 It's good.
00:38:18.000 A triple-braided cord is tougher to break.
00:38:21.000 Have the confidence in the information in this book that the data is on your side.
00:38:26.000 One of the mic drop pieces of data in the entire book.
00:38:30.000 So Sweden last year did one short lockdown at the end of the year, and their version of lockdown was a 10 o'clock curfew for restaurants and bars.
00:38:38.000 That was their lockdown.
00:38:39.000 They have the lowest mass compliance in the European Union.
00:38:43.000 Last year, Sweden had 8% higher excess deaths than its previous four-year average.
00:38:48.000 The rest of the European Union that all did lockdowns and masks averaged 12 to 18% higher excess deaths compared to their four-year average. 0.99
00:38:56.000 That's Sweden for the win. 1.00
00:38:58.000 We have a control group.
00:38:59.000 The data is on our side, but we have to force our elected officials to act on it and don't take no for an answer.
00:39:06.000 And you need to force your corporations to act on it too.
00:39:09.000 It is time to start lobbying lawsuits.
00:39:11.000 Do I have a right to breathe?
00:39:12.000 Do you have a right and an airline to force my toddler to re-ingest their bacteria-riddled face diaper?
00:39:19.000 These are questions we now, it is time for us to take the information here and fight back with it.
00:39:24.000 I agree.
00:39:25.000 We should be a nation of political will, and Republicans better start using whatever political power you have before the time runs out to protect first principles because this idea that we're going to, we are going to, we are even going to entertain what happened in this last year as acceptable is so beyond reprehensible to me.
00:39:43.000 So, everyone, go buy this book.
00:39:45.000 Go send it to Dr. Anthony Fauci's National Institute of Health, however you do that, nih.gov.
00:39:50.000 You can find the website.
00:39:51.000 It's probably some K-Street address next to some ridiculous pharmaceutical companies, lobbying firm, whatever.
00:39:58.000 Send lots of books there and buy one yourself because get the data.
00:40:03.000 You're right.
00:40:04.000 Information is power. 0.79
00:40:05.000 Spoken like a true Protestant, talking glowingly of Martin Luther. 0.86
00:40:08.000 I'll get lots of emails from our Catholic listeners on that, but I don't care. 0.90
00:40:11.000 But thank you. 0.96
00:40:12.000 My co-author's Catholic, so he'll be fine with it too.
00:40:14.000 It's okay.
00:40:15.000 It's fine.
00:40:16.000 Yeah.
00:40:16.000 Aquinas changed the world too, and Martin Luther built the West.
00:40:21.000 Thank you, Steve.
00:40:22.000 You're terrific and very wise.
00:40:25.000 Just continue to make lots of noise.
00:40:27.000 Everyone needs to know what you're talking about.
00:40:28.000 I appreciate it very much.
00:40:30.000 Thank you, Charlie.
00:40:31.000 Appreciate the time, brother.
00:40:32.000 Take care.
00:40:32.000 Steve, see you soon.
00:40:33.000 Bye.
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