The Charlie Kirk Show - Exposing Hunter Biden's iCloud Leak from Hell with Jack Posobiec

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00:00:04.000 Well, Jack Pasobic helps us unpack that and also so Rob Amari about Moderna's special cutouts and drag queens.

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00:02:12.000 Jack Pasopic is with us.

00:02:13.000 Jack, welcome back to the program.

00:02:15.000 You know, Charlie, we were just looking at that ourselves and I was thinking that, you know, it turns out that Orlando is only about an hour and a half drive from there.

00:02:22.000 So we're looking at, obviously, we're on East Coast here on DC, so we might end up having to go just because the costs are so crazy because we want to bring the family.

00:02:29.000 I want to bring the kids.

00:02:30.000 We might end up flying into Orlando and then driving over to Tampa.

00:02:33.000 Yeah, it's no joke, almost $1,000 a person from certain markets if you get a non-stop flight.

00:02:41.000 It's unbelievable.

00:02:41.000 Thanks, Joe Biden.

00:02:42.000 Precisely.

00:02:43.000 So, Jack, the assassination of Abe is something that the media has just not really covered very much post the initial shock and awe.

00:02:51.000 Who did it?

00:02:52.000 And what are we missing in regards to this story?

00:02:55.000 Well, so there's this individual who did it by the name of Tatsuya Mitsimbura.

00:03:01.000 And he seems, as far as we can tell, the police are saying, the Japanese police are saying that he confessed to them, apparently, because his mother was joined, had joined one of these sort of like Christian offshoot cult organizations.

00:03:16.000 There's a lot of these that operate throughout Japan and South Korea.

00:03:19.000 She had been donating so much of her money to this thing that it turns out that they didn't have any money then to inherit or for him to inherit as her son.

00:03:29.000 And so this guy went completely nuts, then starts building guns in his home.

00:03:34.000 Now, keep in mind, this is something that people, I think, for the Charlie Kirk show will want to know that the private ownership of firearms in Japan is strictly regulated.

00:03:44.000 You do not have them.

00:03:45.000 This is not something that's heard of in Japan that people just go out and get firearms.

00:03:49.000 Certainly not the United States.

00:03:50.000 It's not even Europe in terms of that. 0.57

00:03:52.000 And so the issue then becomes he builds these things in his home and then decides to go kill Abe because he believes that Abe has some connection to this group and then goes, walks up right behind him with what appears to be, right, you know, sort of homemade sought-off shotgun and is able to use that to shoot him in the back.

00:04:10.000 Yeah.

00:04:10.000 So what is the potential motivation for this?

00:04:12.000 You said because his mom joined some Christian cult.

00:04:14.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:04:17.000 What they're saying is he says that his mother joined this cult organization, gave over all of her money to them, and that he believed for some reason that Abe was actually secretly in cahoots with the cult leader.

00:04:30.000 So is it possible the CCP was aware or behind this?

00:04:35.000 Well, to me, it looks like something that it seems more Japanese than in terms of just the roots of it.

00:04:43.000 I wouldn't call out the fact.

00:04:45.000 The question, though, is what's going on with the security situation there?

00:04:48.000 How did this guy know what the schedule would be?

00:04:51.000 How did he know what the route would be?

00:04:53.000 Why was the security so poor, right?

00:04:56.000 How was this guy who's not part of the security detail?

00:04:59.000 Charlie, you've been in a million events that have had secret service.

00:05:02.000 I've been in them.

00:05:03.000 You know that you are not allowed in that bubble, right?

00:05:06.000 Around the executive protectee unless you are part of the detail or you've got one of the passes, one of the pins, et cetera, right?

00:05:12.000 This guy was able to walk right behind the former prime minister of Japan, still one of the most revered political figures in Japan without any ID whatsoever.

00:05:23.000 And so obviously there's a lot of questions as to what exactly led to the failure there.

00:05:26.000 And as far as the CCP goes, right, the CCP stands to gain tremendously from this.

00:05:32.000 Why?

00:05:33.000 Because Abe was one of the number one thorns in the side, one of the largest and most vocal anti-communists in the entire region of Asia Pacific.

00:05:44.000 Look, when I served in the U.S. military, we would go to Japan time and time again.

00:05:48.000 So I was 7th Fleet.

00:05:50.000 That's based out of Japan.

00:05:52.000 I've been in Yokosuka so many times there during the time while Abe was prime minister, by the way.

00:05:57.000 And his big thing, Charlie, his big plank that he was pushing for Japan was to take Japan and their constitution away from having this pacifistic government and returning them to the status of a military power, building actual aircraft carriers, deck landing platforms, building helicopter carriers, right?

00:06:17.000 He wanted to put Japan on a footing because he understood, he understood the rise of China and the threat to Japan. 0.63

00:06:24.000 And what's interesting now is that so just two days ago, right, two days after his death, Abe's party just won a two-thirds super majority in the upper chamber of Japan's legislature.

00:06:36.000 What does this mean?

00:06:38.000 This means that his vision of Japan actually being able to go forward and return to a military power status in Asia could finally be seen through, even though, of course, he will not actually be there in person to see it.

00:06:51.000 Yeah, I mean, look, we have no evidence the CCP was behind this.

00:06:54.000 I don't trust the CCP at all, and you don't either.

00:06:57.000 So I just have my suspicions, especially with all of the drama and the energy happening in the Asian theater right now. 0.98

00:07:05.000 What has the CCP's response been to this?

00:07:09.000 Well, so the CCP's response initially was cordial.

00:07:13.000 It was gracious.

00:07:15.000 But you saw some, at least on the official angle, but then you saw some of the organizations there, some of the newspapers in China, like this one, Global Times, or in Chinese, Huan Chou Shirbao.

00:07:26.000 So they're known as sort of their really vociferous party-linked paper.

00:07:30.000 This is the one that your hardliners.

00:07:32.000 This is the one that the hardcore communists are going to want to read.

00:07:35.000 They came out there and said, at one point, Abe stood for improved relations between Japan and China.

00:07:43.000 But since that time, he has destroyed that legacy and destroyed Japan-Chinese relations because of his interference in the Taiwan question.

00:07:53.000 And of course, they call the Taiwan question the fact that he does recognize Taiwan and has even called for the United States, specifically Joe Biden, to drop its neutral status on the one China question and to firmly recognize and assert the fact the United States would come to defend Taiwan.

00:08:10.000 Abe was one of the biggest proponents of a free Taiwan in all of Asia.

00:08:16.000 And so that's something where in mainland China today and over this past weekend, you saw people at bars, you saw people having celebrations celebrating the fact that Abe had been killed in the street.

00:08:27.000 Do you think China is going to make a move soon on Taiwan?

00:08:31.000 Oh, I don't know why they wouldn't.

00:08:33.000 I mean, look at our Navy right now.

00:08:34.000 Look at our army, right?

00:08:36.000 Our army, we've got soldiers who say that they can't be loyal because of a Supreme Court decision that they don't like.

00:08:42.000 We've got aircraft carriers where the planes are falling off to Harrier jets. 0.76

00:08:46.000 We've got other ships that are burning to a crisp at the pier in San Diego because the sailors on board don't know how to put out a fire on a ship anymore.

00:08:56.000 This is something that sailors, by the way, have known for about 5,000 years.

00:08:59.000 It's obviously been a problem on ships since the very first ship was put in water.

00:09:03.000 We can't do that anymore.

00:09:05.000 We can't handle any of these things.

00:09:07.000 So if you're Taiwan right now, I was joking with somebody the other day.

00:09:10.000 I said they might as well just start changing the flags, right?

00:09:13.000 They might as well just start going for it right now, either start changing the flags or start mining the Taiwan Strait right now because the PLA, they're coming. 0.90

00:09:21.000 So you think it's imminent, a move from the CCP on Taiwan?

00:09:25.000 I mean, how bloody would that be?

00:09:28.000 Would Taiwan put up a fight? 0.90

00:09:31.000 Well, it depends on what they would choose, right?

00:09:33.000 If, you know, for me, and I think for a lot of naval strategists, one of the main tactics you think they would use, because of course, Taiwan's not Ukraine, right?

00:09:40.000 So they don't share a land border.

00:09:42.000 What they share is a sea border.

00:09:43.000 And so when you're dealing with an island, the easiest way to neutralize an island is simply to blockade it.

00:09:48.000 So an air blockade, a sea blockade, and essentially park the entire People's Liberation Army, encircle the island, and then bar it so that nothing can get in and out, and then also prevent air from getting in and out.

00:10:01.000 And then, of course, that becomes a test of who?

00:10:03.000 Joe Biden.

00:10:04.000 Because are you going to airlift supplies into Taiwan?

00:10:06.000 Are you going to continue trade?

00:10:08.000 Are you going to keep those sea lines open?

00:10:10.000 Then also, oh, by the way, what's right next to Taiwan is the largest maritime shipping channel in the entire Pacific Ocean, right?

00:10:18.000 That's the channel that gets you from the South China Sea up to Japan, up to Korea, et cetera, et cetera, right?

00:10:23.000 80% of the world's trade travels through that maritime shipping channel.

00:10:28.000 So what does the PLA Navy do at next point?

00:10:30.000 They start going into there and they see any ship that goes through here, you have to register with us.

00:10:34.000 You have to check with us first.

00:10:36.000 And so they are going to make everyone essentially go for that power play.

00:10:40.000 Charlie, they might be able to do this without even firing a shot.

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00:11:52.000 What is going on with the Hunter Biden deal?

00:11:54.000 I know we have to be careful where we talk about it because it's not necessarily corroborated, but it sure looks to be legit.

00:11:58.000 Let me play a piece of tape here.

00:12:00.000 So, Jack, you know, you and I might have debates and arguments with each other, other people.

00:12:05.000 Hunter Biden here is seen arguing with a hooker about how much crack cocaine he has.

00:12:09.000 Play cut 18.

00:12:17.000 It's 2.06.

00:12:19.000 2.07.

00:12:24.000 Without the bag.

00:12:26.000 So how long is that?

00:12:28.000 2.0.

00:12:30.000 Jack?

00:12:31.000 She's pinching, man. 0.89

00:12:33.000 She's pinching when he's not looking.

00:12:34.000 She's going in there. 0.66

00:12:35.000 She's going in that bag. 1.00

00:12:36.000 It's like 2.07.

00:12:38.000 I bet you if you played the full clip out, it would have, it was 25.

00:12:42.000 It was 2.5, 2.6.

00:12:45.000 This is what happens.

00:12:47.000 Okay, can't say that on air.

00:12:49.000 This is what happens when you let certain people into your home that you can't trust.

00:12:53.000 Put it that way.

00:12:55.000 So, what else is in this leak?

00:12:59.000 So the main thing, the main thing that we are seeing in this leak, right?

00:13:02.000 And the story of the leak, I think, is what a lot of people are focusing on: how this leak took place.

00:13:08.000 Did it come out on this 4chan anonymous website, anonymous web postings, as opposed to where did the hack come from?

00:13:16.000 So the hack itself was not, right?

00:13:20.000 This isn't a hack of his iCloud directly, right?

00:13:24.000 What this was was there was a part of his eye.

00:13:27.000 When you back up your iPhone, sometimes you'll save a copy of that on your laptop, right?

00:13:31.000 You might save a copy of it on your iPad or might save your iPad on your laptop or in your cloud, right?

00:13:36.000 Well, sometimes that saves on a local server.

00:13:38.000 That's what happened here.

00:13:39.000 It saved on his laptop.

00:13:40.000 And this also comes from the laptop that was at that repair shop in Wilmington, Delaware from two years ago.

00:13:48.000 So this is not part of the laptop, or it is?

00:13:50.000 I'm confused.

00:13:51.000 I don't quite understand.

00:13:52.000 It is, but it was encrypted until now.

00:13:55.000 Oh, okay.

00:13:56.000 Got it.

00:13:56.000 So this is all.

00:13:58.000 Right.

00:13:58.000 So when you were going into it, you would click, just like if I'm on Charlie Kirk's laptop and I'm trying to go into Charlie Kirk's iPhone backup, I've got to know Charlie Kirk's password.

00:14:08.000 And maybe that's different than the one for the laptop.

00:14:11.000 So they guessed, they guessed it, which was here.

00:14:13.000 Sugar mammy crackhead 24 or whatever it was, right? 1.00

00:14:16.000 I think it was actually Julia is 26.

00:14:19.000 I have no idea what that means, but that's what people were saying it was.

00:14:23.000 We were seeing out there.

00:14:25.000 So there's pictures on here, some of which, and you know, look, obviously it's very harrowing, but at the same time, you know, the only thing I can say is when I was in the intelligence community, I didn't specifically work on human trafficking and child trafficking investigations.

00:14:45.000 I was an Intel guy, I was CCP China.

00:14:48.000 And so with some of these videos, I have to imagine that before you can determine whether or not someone's of age, whether or not they're 18, you'd have to identify them.

00:14:56.000 And then in order to figure out what their age was, what time, you know, what date was the photo was taken or the image was taken.

00:15:03.000 But some of these girls, right, they do not necessarily, they're in that gray zone, right? 0.99

00:15:08.000 They're in that gray zone, that danger zone of are they over 18?

00:15:11.000 Certainly some of the searches may have also been in that zone as well.

00:15:15.000 What do you say?

00:15:16.000 So he's searching for child porn?

00:15:17.000 Is that fair to say? 0.93

00:15:19.000 That's what it looks like.

00:15:21.000 That's what it looks like.

00:15:22.000 That would be a federal crime.

00:15:24.000 So, I mean, look, we have to be careful the way we talk about it.

00:15:26.000 So just everyone understands that if we talk about this incorrectly, all of a sudden you could lose your YouTube feed because they say, oh, you're spreading hacked materials.

00:15:33.000 Is that right, Jack?

00:15:35.000 They'll use any kind of nomenclature they can think of to strike you down.

00:15:39.000 They'll say it's hacked material or it's distribution or you're spreading wild accusations, or they'll just hit you for out of context, right?

00:15:47.000 And out of context is great because you can basically, well, who decides what the context is, right?

00:15:53.000 So, of course, we do have to be very careful about this.

00:15:54.000 But again, this is what we're seeing on this purported leak from Hunter Biden's iPhone backup that comes by a long series of a long series of chain of custody onto 4chan and then onto the rest of the internet.

00:16:09.000 They're also spreading torrents of this, which for people to know that's peer-to-peer sharing.

00:16:14.000 And so there's no one central file to, you could take it off someone's server.

00:16:19.000 It's being shared across laptops, across desktops, right?

00:16:22.000 People are sharing it to each other now and they're uploading it on their own.

00:16:24.000 So that's what the torrent link is.

00:16:26.000 Now, the biggest thing here, the biggest thing that I've said when I look at all of this is how does this guy allowed in the White House when we see not just the security threats, but the fact that he's clearly dealing, clearly dealing with what appear to be far, obviously these are foreign women. 0.61

00:16:45.000 Do you honestly think, Charlie, for a second that one of them would not be a foreign agent? 0.72

00:16:51.000 This would be blackmail or all this stuff.

00:16:55.000 Again, they go after Donald Trump Jr. and they go after these people so mercilessly.

00:16:59.000 And there has not been a single mainstream report on any of this.

00:17:02.000 It's so reprehensible.

00:17:04.000 It's so disgusting.

00:17:04.000 It's so wrong.

00:17:05.000 Jack, thank you so much.

00:17:06.000 Appreciate it as always.

00:17:07.000 Appreciate it, Charlie.

00:17:08.000 See you in Tampa.

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00:19:14.000 So Moderna used to be a rather obscure company in 2019.

00:19:21.000 Because of the gene altering technology they call the vaccine, they are now a $50 billion company.

00:19:26.000 Their CEO earns over $18 million.

00:19:30.000 But they want you, the U.S. taxpayer, to pay for their legal bills.

00:19:35.000 With us to help unpack this, who wrote a very interesting story about Moderna.

00:19:39.000 So Rob Amari.

00:19:40.000 So Rob, welcome back to the program.

00:19:42.000 Thank you for having me.

00:19:43.000 So tell us about this piece.

00:19:44.000 Moderna wants you to pay its legal bills.

00:19:47.000 Walk us through it.

00:19:48.000 Yeah, it's a piece that appeared in Compact magazine, a relatively newish populist magazine that I've co-founded.

00:19:57.000 And this was under my own byline.

00:19:58.000 I mean, we published many other people, but I wrote this one because I personally was just really outraged by this story.

00:20:04.000 Whatever you think about the efficacy of vaccines or vaccine mandates, this should not be happening.

00:20:09.000 As you said, the company Moderna, none of us had heard of it.

00:20:13.000 Only a very few people who lived in the Boston, Cambridge area where it's headquartered had heard of it.

00:20:18.000 And justly so, because Moderna had never successfully brought a biopharmaceutical product or drug to the market up until the COVID pandemic happened.

00:20:31.000 And then soon after the virus's genome was mapped by scientists and became publicly available, it put together a vaccine very, very quickly.

00:20:43.000 In fact, one of its executives at the time boasted that it literally took like one hour over a weekend to get this thing done.

00:20:53.000 So why was it so easy?

00:20:55.000 Well, because a different pair of companies, one Canada-based and one Switzerland-based, charge in a lawsuit that they filed against Moderna earlier this year that everyone knew this technology of mRNA, of delivering a specific kind of genetic code to a cell and teaching the cell to do various things, including fighting viruses.

00:21:17.000 That had been known for 20 years.

00:21:18.000 What was always difficult about it was how to get the mRNA into it past the membrane of a cell into a cell safely and while maintaining its integrity.

00:21:30.000 That was technology that these two companies had perfected, they say, over decades.

00:21:36.000 And for other product groups, Moderna actually licensed it from these two companies.

00:21:44.000 But in this case, they didn't get a license.

00:21:47.000 They just borrowed, let's say, they just borrowed the technology without paying these two companies.

00:21:54.000 And so now they're suing for patent, the two companies are suing for patent infringement.

00:21:59.000 The remarkable thing about this, of course, this kind of thing happens in the biopharmaceutical industry from time to time.

00:22:05.000 What's remarkable is Moderna's response to the lawsuit.

00:22:08.000 Moderna didn't say, well, no, they're wrong.

00:22:10.000 We didn't infringe.

00:22:11.000 Here's all the reasons why they're wrong.

00:22:12.000 We didn't infringe.

00:22:14.000 Rather, it pointed to a World War I era U.S. law that says if a product is used by the U.S. government or the U.S. population under certain conditions, then if the maker of the product faces a patent infringement lawsuit, the U.S. government, meaning you and me and others as taxpayers, will pay for the patent infringement.

00:22:38.000 But it says if the U.S., for the benefit of the U.S. government, in the case of the vaccine, there were so many other instances where the U.S. government wasn't even involved in this in the process of distributing, selling, et cetera, administering the vaccines.

00:22:54.000 And if you interpret this statute as broadly as Moderna wants courts to do, then anything that if there's ever anything the U.S. government uses in a veterans administration hospital, the U.S. military uses, et cetera, anything that has the loosest connection of having a U.S. government contract, then the U.S. taxpayer ends up having to pay for alleged patent theft.

00:23:23.000 So it's really kind of an outrageous case.

00:23:26.000 And it just shows how, you know, we think of pharmaceutical industry as this one industry that where the US is in many ways cutting edge and we can do these amazing things.

00:23:36.000 But even there, a lot of the profit is based on the same kind of like gaming the system that we expect from other areas of the economy.

00:23:45.000 Yeah.

00:23:45.000 Well, no, and it's so important.

00:23:47.000 I mean, and they want the U.S. taxpayer to try to shield them from potential liability and to try to get that kind of, you know, to try to get that kind of taxpayer shield.

00:23:58.000 I want to read from part of the book, the book here, the article.

00:24:01.000 The stunning rise of Moderna shows how corporations privatize the gain while socializing the pain.

00:24:06.000 Can you talk about how that's actually how Washington, D.C. works, though?

00:24:10.000 They want to have taxpayer immunity to maximize their profits, and it gets rid of something called the moral hazard.

00:24:16.000 Now, you and I are not free market Puritans by any means, but if we were to at least have some semblance of a market, you need to be able to fail, right?

00:24:26.000 Exactly right.

00:24:27.000 Well, I mean, the most obvious case of this, which many, even if you're not familiar with this Moderna case, which is very technical and patent-oriented, everyone remembers the bailouts.

00:24:40.000 I mean, the first bailout of a bank was in the late 90s, but on a much, much bigger scale, that happened in 2008, where banks that had created these monstrous derivatives and these financial instruments that no normal human being could say, this is a normal investment to take bundles of distressed assets and then securitize them, mortgage-backed securities and so forth.

00:25:04.000 To do that, basically take these risks and along the way, make the bankers making huge bonuses, et cetera.

00:25:10.000 And then they've made themselves so systemically important that in order for the rest of us not to go down into a depression, the taxpayer has to bail them out.

00:25:23.000 And I think this is a very fair point that, you know, I have to say, you know, a lot of people on the left will make, but now increasingly I hear people on the right make as well, which is, you know, I didn't get rescued out of my failing mortgage or my mortgage right on.

00:25:39.000 I didn't get rescued on my bills when I faced trouble.

00:25:42.000 You know, why should mega banks on Wall Street?

00:25:47.000 And you're right, it creates moral hazard in the sense that when you know that if you get into trouble, if you make bad bets, bad bets, Uncle Sam will come and save you, then you're going to take, you're going to take enormously kind of unwise bets and pass on, you know, socialize the pain, pass on the pain to everyone else.

00:26:06.000 Well, we have the socializing the pain.

00:26:08.000 And this is something, again, regardless of your opinion of vaccines, mine on the COVID vaccine is very well known, but it's these vaccine companies are really protected from liability from potential damages.

00:26:21.000 And so for a while, we have this thing called VARES, the vaccine adverse event reporting system.

00:26:26.000 And so basically Moderna, they want to get in on the action.

00:26:28.000 They want to get in on the kind of the protection that is offered by the government.

00:26:33.000 And so can you talk, Saurabh, a little bit more philosophically or broadly about how the defenders of the current market system are actually defending something a lot more that some that is much more like a fascist or kind of corporate run model where they use euphemisms of free markets and free people, but when it ever comes down actually closing corporate loopholes or making big companies pay, they say, oh, no, no, no, no, you can't do that.

00:27:01.000 Can you talk a little bit about that?

00:27:04.000 Yeah, I mean, this is not the 19th century model of, you know, Victorian capitalism, right?

00:27:13.000 Where government really just regulated the money supply.

00:27:19.000 And by the way, that had, you know, that's a different question.

00:27:22.000 That had other disasters which were problematic.

00:27:24.000 And ultimately, in the course of the 20th century, states did have to step in in various ways with the, whether it's the Theodore Roosevelt's reforms of antitrust or the New Deal, et cetera, to mitigate the harms associated with that.

00:27:40.000 But this is quite something else.

00:27:44.000 I don't know if we have a model for what we're going through here, but I describe it as a kind of private coercion where the very well-connected can use political lobbying litigation power, not things you, these aren't people who are like really innovating, right?

00:28:03.000 In the case of Moderna, at least allegedly, it's stolen the mRNA delivery technology, allegedly.

00:28:11.000 Or in a lot of these other financial institutions, they're not really, it's not like they're, you know, it's a new product we all really need.

00:28:20.000 There's nothing natural or healthy about certain classes of financial products that are where they bet on third world debt or they bet on a lawsuit or they bet on the outcome of weather.

00:28:30.000 This is all made possible by lobbying and litigation, by Wall Street's power on Capitol Hill.

00:28:38.000 And so it's, it's, it's just some numbers.

00:28:41.000 I mean, just some numbers.

00:28:42.000 Pharmaceutical companies and their lobbying groups gave roughly $1.6 million directly to lawmakers, and they spent $263 million to keep drug prices artificially high.

00:28:55.000 And they gave Republicans and Democrats equal.

00:28:58.000 It's a uniparty is really what it has become.

00:29:01.000 And this is something that is incredibly personal for a lot of people.

00:29:05.000 So drug prices remain high.

00:29:07.000 They put forward this vaccine and they want all the profits and none of the downside.

00:29:11.000 So your taxes continue to subsidize this.

00:29:14.000 And it shouldn't be a mystery as to why so many people right now have angst and unease about what's happening in Washington, D.C. and corporate influences there.

00:29:24.000 And the Republican Party just kind of says, well, we have to lower corporate taxes.

00:29:28.000 Okay, I want lower taxes.

00:29:29.000 That's fine.

00:29:30.000 But in your piece, you go through this.

00:29:33.000 And you're right.

00:29:33.000 It is kind of a wonky issue, but you do a good job of broadening it because it's highly technical, right?

00:29:39.000 Who stole it from where and what the technology is.

00:29:41.000 And I don't quite even understand it, to be honest.

00:29:44.000 But you said, look, there's still a more disturbing element.

00:29:46.000 The pharmaceutical industry is held up as one of those jewels of the U.S. economy, led by genius Merocrats, capable of delivering life-saving, enhancing solutions in the process, generating enormous value.

00:29:56.000 But Moderna Affair also reveals the extent to which success in pharma is also a matter of clever and croniest maneuvering.

00:30:03.000 Yeah, I mean, you mentioned prices.

00:30:06.000 Do you know how much effort hospitals and pharmaceuticals put into keeping their prices opaque by law, right?

00:30:14.000 They're fighting every effort, including various efforts under the last administration to introduce price transparency.

00:30:22.000 If you just have price transparency, if you have just one in a particular health market, one person shopping, it has the same effect as forcing gas stations.

00:30:31.000 If you have a bunch of gas stations, if one person shops, it puts a downward pressure on the price of gas, right?

00:30:38.000 Because everyone, that is enough to create a kind of competitive pressure.

00:30:42.000 But with hospitals, have you ever made sense of what a hospital bill says?

00:30:46.000 No.

00:30:47.000 It's completely arbitrary.

00:30:49.000 And that's a political choice.

00:30:50.000 That's right.

00:30:50.000 That's not.

00:30:51.000 We can have transparent hospital and drug pricing.

00:30:54.000 It's just their lobbying power.

00:30:55.000 We could.

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00:32:10.000 I got to give you credit.

00:32:11.000 I remember watching your debate with the far left-wing conservative, David French, whatever that guy is.

00:32:19.000 He's totally lost his mind in recent years, by the way.

00:32:21.000 He's become insufferable.

00:32:23.000 And nice person.

00:32:24.000 I actually met him once, but his ideas are terrible.

00:32:26.000 And it was interesting because it was you versus him.

00:32:29.000 And I thought I agreed with him at the beginning.

00:32:30.000 Okay, there's all these drag queen story hours, not a big deal.

00:32:34.000 The fruits of liberty mean that anybody can do whatever you want.

00:32:36.000 You're like, no, no, no, no, this impacts children.

00:32:38.000 This is about virtue.

00:32:39.000 It's about standards.

00:32:40.000 Well, it looks like you've been pretty well vindicated here, so Rob, because it's no longer happening at five or six different places.

00:32:48.000 So, Rob, it seems as if drag queens were no longer in their isolated little bucket.

00:32:53.000 Children are being brought to them.

00:32:55.000 What's going on?

00:32:58.000 Yeah, I mean, I think we should go to the gist of my argument in 2019.

00:33:02.000 I wrote this famous, infamous, whichever you want to call it, depending on your perspective, essay in First Things magazine headlined against David Frenchism.

00:33:13.000 And I identified Frenchism with this illusion that you can have a neutral public square, right? 0.89

00:33:22.000 Where, you know, libraries host, you know, drag queens, but also Christian groups can use the same libraries for, you know, their uses.

00:33:34.000 Now, the problem is, I argued then, that the cultural progressives, these really sexual revolutionaries, will not rest content with saying, just let us have the public library to do this.

00:33:49.000 First of all, we shouldn't grant that because that's not what a library is meant for.

00:33:53.000 And we have to have a sense of what, you know, a rediscovery of what, like you said, what virtue is about, what if society teaches about sexuality.

00:34:01.000 And as you know, drag is a really kind of garish caricature of what femininity is about.

00:34:07.000 So that's what's disturbing about it.

00:34:08.000 But at any rate, the idea was that you could like we could share space, right?

00:34:12.000 And that was the that was David French's argument in response to me.

00:34:16.000 He said, you know, famously, he told the New Yorker where New Yorker profiled both of us.

00:34:22.000 He said to the interviewer, you know, the fact that someone can get a room as a drag queen and bring children, have children perform for children, quote, that's one of the blessings of liberty.

00:34:32.000 And I think our founders would like profoundly, radically disagree with the idea.

00:34:38.000 Yeah, just go look at just some of the, let's just say, degeneracy laws and obscenity laws in the States at the American Founding.

00:34:45.000 I got to play, we got short on time.

00:34:46.000 Let me play Cut 23 in a quick reaction to that.

00:34:49.000 Play Cut 23.

00:34:52.000 Oh my God.

00:34:53.000 I'm on my cover.

00:35:12.000 Parents applauding enthusiastically for a child participating in a drag show.

00:35:17.000 Yeah, I mean, it's obviously we all agree.

00:35:19.000 I hope that that's wrong and repulsive.

00:35:21.000 But the important thing to note is that it's not just staying in libraries and drag bars.

00:35:27.000 There are now proposals.

00:35:28.000 And in fact, New York City schools have set aside a budget for drag programs in schools.

00:35:34.000 And that was my original argument, that what begins as like this subversive thing, okay, a few kind of liberal parents do this for their own kids voluntary.

00:35:43.000 It always becomes comes to the public square.

00:35:46.000 It comes to dominate the public square.

00:35:48.000 With force.

00:35:49.000 That's the thing.

00:35:50.000 National Review people at the time say, oh, what are you talking about?

00:35:53.000 Now National Review itself is like, hey, wait, what?

00:35:56.000 It's in schools there?

00:35:57.000 Yeah, I mean, but that's the arc.

00:36:00.000 And you predicted it.

00:36:01.000 And I was on the other side.

00:36:02.000 And then I was like, wow, that's amazing.

00:36:05.000 And Matt Walsh, to his great credit, he says, okay, it goes from tolerance to acceptance to celebration to participation.

00:36:12.000 It's a brilliant four-part move.

00:36:14.000 The liberals always do it.

00:36:15.000 So, Rob, thank you so much.

00:36:16.000 Amazing commentary.

00:36:17.000 Have you back on soon?

00:36:19.000 Thank you, sir.

00:36:20.000 Thank you.

00:36:21.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:22.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:25.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:36:26.000 God bless.

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