The Charlie Kirk Show - Exposing New Mar-A-Lago Raid BOMBSHELLS with John Solomon

00:00:00.000 Two suspects in the Whitner case found guilty.

00:00:04.000 Julie Kelly joins us and John Solomon joins with a bombshell about the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago.

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00:00:59.000 All right, Jack, for somebody tuning in for Charlie Kirk.

00:01:02.000 The email is freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:01:04.000 And yes, I'm reading your emails all throughout the show, but we do have breaking news.

00:01:11.000 And we've been talking about the FBI all day today.

00:01:14.000 How can we fix this thing?

00:01:15.000 Can we defund it?

00:01:16.000 Can we turn it into something like Interpol where and we empower state agencies?

00:01:21.000 What are we going to do with this thing?

00:01:23.000 That's the discussion that we're having.

00:01:25.000 And I'm bringing on, yes, multiple people with different perspectives on what we should do with the FBI.

00:01:31.000 But here is the breaking news.

00:01:33.000 Two men, Adam Fox and Barry Croft Jr., have just been found guilty in the Michigan Governor Whitmer kidnapping plot.

00:01:42.000 The same plot that I think to everybody out there looking at this looks like an FBI entrapment operation, where the majority of people that were involved in this thing were actually FBI agents themselves.

00:01:55.000 And we've got the great, none other than the great Julie Kelly on to respond to this, to break it down, and to understand why exactly it is that we're putting the FBI on the table and deciding what should be done with this, because we are the people in this country, not the bureaucracy.

00:02:12.000 We are not ruled by them and we will not be.

00:02:14.000 Julie Kelly, I'd love to get your response on this.

00:02:18.000 I'm stunned, quite frankly, infuriated, because I'll tell you what, Jack, I followed the first trial in April very closely.

00:02:26.000 These same two men, a jury could not come reach a verdict.

00:02:30.000 Their two defendants were outright acquitted after their attorneys successfully convinced the jury that they had been entrapped by the FBI.

00:02:38.000 So fast forward April to August, what's changed?

00:02:41.000 The judge in the case.

00:02:42.000 The judge, a George W. Bush appointee, he's been on the federal bench since 2007.

00:02:48.000 He knew the stakes of this case, not just for DOJ and FBI, but for Governor Whitmer, who's up for re-election in a tight race.

00:02:57.000 He did not just put his thumb on the scale in favor of the government and this trial.

00:03:01.000 He put his entire body on it.

00:03:04.000 And the jury really had no choice but to go along with the judge's instructions.

00:03:10.000 Listen to this, Jack.

00:03:12.000 The judge in this case last week limited the defense attorney's cross-examination of two government witnesses, two men who pleaded guilty, cooperating witnesses.

00:03:23.000 They were supposed to be part of this kidnapping conspiracy, limited their cross-examination time.

00:03:29.000 The judge has never done this before.

00:03:31.000 It's never really done in criminal cases.

00:03:33.000 I was hearing from attorneys who were shocked at this.

00:03:36.000 So he was basically informing the jury that he was going to limit.

00:03:42.000 He continued to interrupt the defense. 0.81

00:03:44.000 At one point, after the jury left, he scolded defense attorneys for wasting the jurors' time on quote unquote crap, their line of questioning and evidence. 0.78

00:03:53.000 I mean, this was just such a flagrant example.

00:03:56.000 The federal judge realizing the political stakes and favorite doing whatever he could to help the government make their extremely weak case that these men were guilty of conspiring to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer.

00:04:10.000 So let me go through that a little bit more because you're saying that the judge in this case, keep in mind, these guys have already gone through one trial.

00:04:18.000 That's right.

00:04:19.000 They couldn't get the jury to agree on these charges because they looked at the thing and the jurors were saying, and keep in mind, and Julie, you more than anyone else, also Revolver.news, the great Garabiti has gone through all this.

00:04:31.000 I've read the text messages that were going through on this.

00:04:34.000 And I say this as a prior intelligence officer, that I get what they were doing.

00:04:38.000 Okay, they were trying, they were looking at this as if it was some kind of game.

00:04:42.000 This is what the FBI agents were doing.

00:04:44.000 They were looking at this as if it was a game and they wanted to rack up as many points as they could.

00:04:49.000 But those points are actual human beings, ruined their lives, entrap them in this thing, get them to just, they walk them up to the line, and then they push them just a little bit over, and suddenly you're done.

00:05:02.000 Suddenly, that's it.

00:05:03.000 We've got you for everything.

00:05:05.000 The last case that couldn't be found done, but I want to go and drill down on this a little bit more.

00:05:09.000 You're saying the judge put his entire body on the scale, limited the defense attorneys.

00:05:14.000 What was specifically called a lot of the crap line of questioning?

00:05:17.000 What was it that he refused to allow the defense attorneys to dig into?

00:05:22.000 I want to get back quickly, though.

00:05:23.000 In the first and second trial, there are hundreds of incriminating text messages, communications between their FBI handlers and FBI informants.

00:05:31.000 This judge in the first trial and then the second trial again refused to let the jury to see those texts, which lays out this elaborate, detailed entrapment operation.

00:05:43.000 Pulling the Steve Bennon right there.

00:05:45.000 You're saying that those text messages that I've read, that you've read, that anybody can go read about that lay out the fact that this was an entrapment operation, the jury wasn't even allowed to see those.

00:05:57.000 The overwhelming majority, the jury was not allowed to see.

00:06:01.000 So the infamous text about mission is to kill the governor specifically related to what the FBI wanted to do, not just in Michigan, but in Virginia.

00:06:12.000 The jury never saw that.

00:06:14.000 We're talking hundreds of communications.

00:06:17.000 Listen to this, Jack.

00:06:18.000 There were a thousand hours of recorded conversations between FBI informants and their targets.

00:06:25.000 The government played less than two hours of those clips.

00:06:30.000 But the government said, well, if the defense wants to see them, you know, they can go, well, you had a judge who was already rigging this from the beginning.

00:06:37.000 So then fast forward to the second trial, everyone is stunned.

00:06:41.000 The government never loses cases like this.

00:06:43.000 Not a single conviction in the April trial.

00:06:45.000 The judge realizes the political importance.

00:06:48.000 He has the same rulings, denying the juries the opportunity to see those texts.

00:06:55.000 And also now limiting cross-examination of the government witnesses, limiting jury selection to one day, which a lot of legal experts were very surprised at.

00:07:05.000 He let on the jury a woman who outright said that guns scare her, people who have guns scare her.

00:07:12.000 She was allowed to stay on the jury.

00:07:14.000 He handled the jury selection almost entirely by himself.

00:07:17.000 I think defense attorneys had 15 minutes to try to cross-examine these potential jurors. 0.98

00:07:23.000 Then he limited that, constantly interrupted defense attorneys, called their line of questioning crap.

00:07:29.000 And when he limited the time for cross-examination, one of the attorneys said, Look, you are showing the jury your bias. 0.92

00:07:38.000 You are very openly siding with the government.

00:07:41.000 You are indicating to them which way they should vote.

00:07:45.000 Obviously, it worked.

00:07:47.000 How, Jack, can you have a trial four months later, two fewer defendants in this conspiracy?

00:07:53.000 And the jury comes back in less than half the time with all guilty verdicts.

00:07:58.000 I mean, this doesn't just happen by accident.

00:08:01.000 Now, this is something where, and I'm sure it's already been discussed, but are you hearing, do they plan an appeal?

00:08:07.000 Do they have the funding for an appeal?

00:08:10.000 Is this something that could be overturned at the higher court?

00:08:12.000 What are you hearing there?

00:08:14.000 I've asked both the defense attorneys, sent them an email if they're going to appeal.

00:08:18.000 I assume that they are going to appeal.

00:08:20.000 They're actually public defenders.

00:08:22.000 They're criminal defense attorneys.

00:08:23.000 They are excellent attorneys, but who've stepped up to act as public defenders for these two men.

00:08:29.000 They have a basis.

00:08:30.000 I'm not an attorney, but you don't have to be to see the basis on numerous levels, how an appeal would be allowed simply by this judge's conduct in the trial and the rulings that he made, and especially limiting cross-examination, which the judge admitted he's never done before.

00:08:47.000 And as I said, I've heard from attorneys who have never seen that in a criminal case, especially one as important as a domestic terror investigation, one of the biggest ones in DOJ's history.

00:08:59.000 So I assume they will appeal.

00:09:00.000 But look, the bottom line is you have two innocent men who are entrapped by this FBI who've already been incarcerated since October of 2020, will languish in jail for at least a few more years before this appeal ever makes it to the appellate court.

00:09:14.000 What do we know about sentencing?

00:09:16.000 What is the sentencing timeline?

00:09:17.000 You're saying they're behind bars now, but they're still waiting.

00:09:20.000 That's pre-trial sentencing, but there will be another, or excuse me, pre-sentencing essentially being held.

00:09:27.000 Do we know when the sentencing date is yet?

00:09:29.000 Have they released that?

00:09:30.000 They did not send a sentencing date yet, but both men faced life in prison.

00:09:35.000 And they had two defendants who pleaded their co-defendants, original co-defendants, who pleaded guilty, of course, for much lower sentencing promises by DOJ, also promises that they would not bring additional charges to the two men who pleaded guilty, which were the two men who the judge limited cross-examination of.

00:09:53.000 I mean, this is a mess from beginning to end, but such a travesty of justice and a green light for this FBI and DOJ to do it all over again.

00:10:02.000 That's the really terrifying part.

00:10:04.000 You said that the judge was limiting the defense and wouldn't even allow a full cross-examination of the other, I guess you could have said they were co-conspirators at the time.

00:10:15.000 They weren't even allowed to get a full cross-examination in front of the jury.

00:10:19.000 These were the guys who were supposedly in on the plot.

00:10:22.000 If we were, you know, if we're just seeking justice here, wouldn't that want to be the people you questioned the most?

00:10:27.000 It absolutely would be.

00:10:28.000 So the question is, why did Judge Jonker limit that line of questioning?

00:10:34.000 He didn't do it in the first trial, Jack, and you had four defense attorneys versus the prosecution.

00:10:41.000 He didn't limit their time.

00:10:43.000 So now we fast forward to this trial.

00:10:46.000 Why all of a sudden is he limited?

00:10:48.000 He's not limiting, you know, Joe Blow, the explosives expert from the FBI or fingerprint expert or whoever.

00:10:54.000 He limited the time for the two most important witnesses, the two men who were supposed to be conspiring with these two other defendants to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer.

00:11:05.000 And so when the jury left that day and both defense attorneys said to the judge, this is a 6A violation, unconstitutional, unfair.

00:11:15.000 The jury deserves to hear exactly what sweetened deals these defendants were getting.

00:11:19.000 They need to fully vet any connection.

00:11:22.000 These two men who pleaded guilty, Ty Garbin and Caleb Franks, had no connection to Barry Croft or Adam Fox.

00:11:29.000 Adam Fox and Barry Croft, the two men found guilty today, Jack, live 800 miles apart.

00:11:36.000 The first time they met was at a national militia conference in Ohio in June of 2020.

00:11:41.000 And guess who organized it?

00:11:43.000 A man named Steve Robeson, a longtime convicted felon, longtime FBI informant, who organized this conference and invited all of these FB's targets to the conference.

00:11:53.000 That's the first time they met.

00:11:55.000 So how do they conspire 800 miles apart, didn't know each other outside of these FBI informants, conspire.

00:12:02.000 Here's the thing, Jack.

00:12:04.000 This is what they're guilty of.

00:12:05.000 Building a bomb, blowing up a bridge outside of Gretchen Whitmer's vacation cottage in Elk Rapids, far north, Michigan, blowing up a bridge, going to her cottage, killing her security detail, abducting her from her cottage, taking her to a boat, putting her in the middle of Lake Michigan in October.

00:12:24.000 Haha, that's funny.

00:12:25.000 I've lived by Lake Michigan my entire life, either leaving her in the middle of the lake or taking her all across across the lake to Wisconsin.

00:12:32.000 This is what the guy who lives in the basement of a vacuum repair shop.

00:12:38.000 That's what he was supposed to do with the guy who lives 800 miles away.

00:12:42.000 The whole thing is inconceivable from the start.

00:12:45.000 The judge knew it.

00:12:46.000 That's why he stepped in and put his full body on the side of the scale, side of the scale from the government.

00:12:46.000 The government knew it.

00:12:52.000 You've been looking at this, I think, more than anybody.

00:12:55.000 What would you like to see?

00:12:56.000 Would you want a full-on abolishment?

00:12:57.000 Do you want reform?

00:12:58.000 Do you want dismantling?

00:13:00.000 Do you want to return back to the states?

00:13:01.000 What's Julie Kelly's call?

00:13:03.000 I think that Kyle Scheidler, our friend, has a very good piece up in American Greatness that explains it has to be disassembled.

00:13:10.000 It's not salvageable, Jack.

00:13:12.000 This happened out of the Detroit FBI field office.

00:13:15.000 It involved other field offices.

00:13:17.000 This is not just a problem with Christopher Wright or, you know, the seventh floor of the Edgar Hoover building.

00:13:24.000 This is infected.

00:13:25.000 This is a climate that has infected every single field office.

00:13:30.000 These are the same agents who are busting down the doors of American citizens and arresting them, aiming their rifles at children and elderly women.

00:13:40.000 I mean, this is not salvageable.

00:13:42.000 It has to be completely dismantled and exposed for the corruption and things that happen, like what happened in this Whitmer fednapping case.

00:13:50.000 I want to see, and I've said this for years, a new church committee.

00:13:53.000 Julie Kelly, where can people get access to your writings?

00:13:55.000 Where can they follow you?

00:13:56.000 I have a lot up at amgreatness.com and covering, still covering things at Twitter, Julie underscore Kelly too.

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00:15:18.000 And I had to bring on, because, you know, apparently we're right here in the office, John Solomon of Just the News.

00:15:24.000 We've got him here right in studio.

00:15:25.000 I don't think people realize, but John, how far are we from your office right now?

00:15:28.000 Couple feet?

00:15:29.000 About 10 feet, maybe 10, 20 feet over.

00:15:31.000 You had an amazing story last night, huge scoop, which I know you were up here late working on.

00:15:37.000 I mean, I left here late.

00:15:38.000 You were still, you know, I think you actually had a candle lit, right?

00:15:41.000 I did.

00:15:42.000 Yeah, that's atmospheric.

00:15:43.000 So, tell us about this.

00:15:44.000 So, I want to get into your story, your huge scoop.

00:15:47.000 You've been making the rounds on it about this.

00:15:49.000 It's basically the email chain.

00:15:50.000 You've got the receipts on the back and forth between Trump, Mar-a-Lago, the FBI, the White House counsel, the National Archives.

00:15:59.000 If I have everyone in there, this idea that they're not invoking, the Biden administration not invoking executive privilege for the first time ever.

00:16:06.000 But then, also, I want to ask you from the angle of the FBI and the fact that they're doing this.

00:16:10.000 Yeah, well, listen, it's clear to me now when you look at this, and I've talked to a lot of career FBI officials, people retired now, saying, Hey, they try to jump the fence on this.

00:16:18.000 The normal process would be you drop a grand jury subpoena on President Trump.

00:16:22.000 He decides if he's going to comply if he contests for executive privilege.

00:16:25.000 You go to court, you let the judge work it up.

00:16:27.000 The FBI decided they wanted to jump the fence on this.

00:16:29.000 What they wanted to do was they wanted to get ahead of this and take the privilege off the table by having the current president, Joe Biden, waive the privilege for the former president, even though it covers conversations that when Trump was in president.

00:16:42.000 So, they jump the fence, they try to cut corners on this.

00:16:45.000 What you see at this is at the ignition point of this investigation, this investigation is ignited in April of this year.

00:16:52.000 The Justice Department, the White House for Joe Biden, and the National Archives are all working together with the FBI.

00:16:58.000 And the first decision Joe Biden makes that's consequential is: I'm going to let the National Archives send the materials of my predecessor, Donald Trump, to the FBI to start a criminal investigation.

00:17:09.000 That's the first thing he does.

00:17:10.000 Then, the Justice Department and FBI come back and say, Listen, we got this problem.

00:17:14.000 President Trump's probably going to claim executive privilege over these documents.

00:17:17.000 We need you to waive it.

00:17:19.000 And President Biden tells his counsel, I waive it.

00:17:22.000 If the National Archives feels it's okay to send it over, they can waive the privilege on my behalf and send it over.

00:17:26.000 And that's what happens.

00:17:27.000 Right after that process is done, what does the Justice Department do?

00:17:30.000 They launch a grand jury.

00:17:32.000 They then send grand jury subpoenas to the president, which are executed in late May.

00:17:36.000 And then there's a voluntary visit on June 3rd.

00:17:39.000 And then after all that, they go and they escalate to DEF CON too.

00:17:42.000 Now, now they go and they execute a search warrant in August.

00:17:47.000 All the while, the president, former president, Donald Trump, is communicating, I want to cooperate.

00:17:52.000 I have executive privilege claims I'm worried about.

00:17:54.000 Can we have a court get involved in this? 0.97

00:17:56.000 And the Justice Department, with Joe Biden's blessing, is blowing pass out.

00:18:01.000 You take that history.

00:18:02.000 Now remember what was said on the podium of the White House the day the raid occurred.

00:18:06.000 We don't know anything about this.

00:18:07.000 It's a Justice Department matter.

00:18:09.000 This was a White House matter, and the White House was involved at the ignition point where this investigation started.

00:18:15.000 And they took away the former president's best legal defense or one of his legal defenses, executive privilege.

00:18:21.000 I think the country is going to debate.

00:18:22.000 Is that really what we want?

00:18:23.000 So you've exposed the fact that the White House was intimately involved in all of this from moment one.

00:18:30.000 So it just blew through the fact, obvious lie right there.

00:18:33.000 White House counsel making these calls early, early, early on, right?

00:18:37.000 The question, though, is that I have for you in digging through, and you've got the entire receipts on this, justthennews.com.

00:18:43.000 Who's driving this?

00:18:44.000 Is it really Joe Biden that's driving this?

00:18:46.000 Or is there, what's your sense of the real motivator behind the scenes?

00:18:51.000 Well, the National Archives are clearly the person driving it because they're the ones saying, hey, we got these records.

00:18:56.000 We'd like to work with the Justice Department.

00:18:57.000 We need your blessing.

00:18:58.000 Then there is a lawyer by the name of Sue, who's a deputy counsel for Joe Biden inside the White House.

00:19:03.000 He's the guy, the decider inside the White House, giving the blessing to do these things.

00:19:07.000 And then you got the FBI and the Justice Department who want to get a criminal investigation started of their longtime nemesis, right?

00:19:13.000 They've been investigating Donald Trump pretty much nonstop since 2016, watching collusion, January 6th.

00:19:18.000 Now this.

00:19:19.000 And they can't wait to jump the fence, which is, we don't want to go through another legal battle with this president.

00:19:24.000 Just give us the goods and let us do our investigation and get rid of that whole little messy privilege thing. 0.87

00:19:29.000 And they succeed.

00:19:30.000 They convince the National Archives to go to the White House.

00:19:33.000 So when people say, what's the permanent bureaucracy look like?

00:19:36.000 This is it.

00:19:36.000 You got a triangle.

00:19:38.000 National Archives, FBI Justice Department, Clinton White House, excuse me, Biden White House, they're all working together and Donald Trump is the loser in that.

00:19:47.000 It seems like what they're trying to do, and you and I were talking about this off air a little bit earlier.

00:19:51.000 It seems to me like what they're trying to do is not only usurp the power of this one president, but of all presidents.

00:19:59.000 It's like they're trying to remove Article 2 from our Constitution so that you have a legislator that only exists as a rubber stamp for money.

00:20:06.000 You have a judiciary that, of course, they're very upset that we've taken the judiciary from them.

00:20:11.000 They're trying to reform it and repack it and do whatever they can.

00:20:15.000 But they want the bureaucracy, the permanent administrative state, to be the actual vessel driving policy and driving decisions in the United States and eliminate the power.

00:20:26.000 I mean, you look at the current president.

00:20:28.000 This guy doesn't seem like he's making any decisions on his own.

00:20:31.000 They want power for themselves.

00:20:33.000 Listen, there's a big question.

00:20:34.000 Have we created a fourth branch of government called the bureaucracy?

00:20:36.000 And I think the last six years of history raised some very serious questions about that.

00:20:41.000 But if you're a former president or if you're a person thinking of running for president in the future, what Joe Biden did just created an enormous threat to your ability to get candidate advice.

00:20:51.000 Because what we now have, the Biden precedent for this is you can beat the guy in office and then you can go leak his documents.

00:20:58.000 You can go put them out there, just get rid of the privilege that's there.

00:21:00.000 So think about the next Republican president.

00:21:02.000 The next Republican president can go back and say that executive publish that Barack Obama claimed over Fast and Furious, gone.

00:21:09.000 Benghazi.

00:21:10.000 Benghazi.

00:21:11.000 There's a really important one, Benghazi. 0.72

00:21:11.000 Exactly. 0.72

00:21:13.000 Joe Biden's executive privilege over what he was doing with Hunter Biden in the White House in Ukraine, gone.

00:21:18.000 We can see all that.

00:21:19.000 Oh, what the National Security Council was debating about setting up Trump for the Ukraine impeachment.

00:21:24.000 No purpose, gone.

00:21:25.000 The next Republican president can do to this Democratic president what they've just done to Donald Trump.

00:21:31.000 Alan Dershowitz, lifelong Democrat, voted for Biden, liberal Harvard law professor, says this is a grave threat to the presidency.

00:21:38.000 It makes executive privilege meaningless if the Biden standard lives on.

00:21:42.000 Because, right.

00:21:43.000 And at the end of the day, the reason that if you dial the whole thing back, the reason that we have a president is because at all, that we have an executive is that the founders understood we didn't want rule by consensus, that every once in a while there comes a time that you need one person to just be able to exercise that executive authority over certain matters.

00:22:04.000 But they're going to be completely constrained in doing this.

00:22:07.000 I want people to understand that, of course, they'll still be a nominal president, right?

00:22:11.000 They're not actually talking about getting rid of the White House or anything like this.

00:22:14.000 But what they're doing is they're turning it into a facade.

00:22:17.000 They want it to be a situation where that person is nothing more than a figurehead, has no power whatsoever.

00:22:23.000 And really the ones that are making decisions are the bureaucracy.

00:22:26.000 By the way, this is how you get a king like Anthony Fauci, who is able to make decisions for schoolhouses in Tennessee that have nothing to do with, you know, nothing to do with their actual local representatives because he has full power.

00:22:41.000 That's what they're trying to do.

00:22:43.000 And listen, people are going to dig into this for the next few years.

00:22:46.000 And I think they're going to realize that the fundamental essence of American government has been changing before our eyes and that Republicans have sometimes been co-conspirators in allowing it to happen.

00:22:56.000 Democrats are driving a lot of decisions.

00:22:58.000 And then there's this additional branch of government, the bureaucrats who live beyond a Democrat and a Republican, the Anthony Fauci's of the world, who can drive this discussion, can drive decision making, and in sometimes in cases, thwart a president.

00:23:11.000 We saw the bureaucracy repeatedly deny the president his orders.

00:23:17.000 The last order that president gave.

00:23:19.000 Well, they stole his administration from him.

00:23:21.000 Think about this.

00:23:22.000 We talk about stealing elections, but I think you also had a stolen, a stolen presidency in the sense that, what was it, two and a half years, three years?

00:23:31.000 Dominated by a false.

00:23:32.000 Dominated by this.

00:23:34.000 And also the ability to negotiate with Russia.

00:23:36.000 Who knows what the world would look like today if he wasn't so damaged on the false allegations that have been there?

00:23:41.000 We could have a very different world, a very different global outcome.

00:23:44.000 But this bureaucracy thwarted Donald Trump down to the very last decision Donald Trump made.

00:23:48.000 The very last decision Donald Trump made was to declassify the Russia occlusion documents on the 19th.

00:23:53.000 And then these are the Spygate documents.

00:23:55.000 These are the SPY Gate documents.

00:23:57.000 And on the 11 o'clock on the morning of January 20th, one hour from the end of the Trump presidency, the Justice Department comes in and said, we need those documents back.

00:24:06.000 We got to make a quick redaction.

00:24:07.000 And they keep those documents and they defy a presidential order to release them to the American public.

00:24:12.000 We've now put those documents in there.

00:24:14.000 From the beginning, Donald Trump, the moment Donald Trump began to run for president to the last decision he made as president, he was thwarted by a permanent bureaucracy.

00:24:22.000 Let me ask you, so getting back to the actual case at hand, these documents, and we've got, and Kyle Cheney over Politico is going, oh, they're this one and this classification, TSSTI and SI and TK.

00:24:34.000 Kyle Cheney must have been so busy tweeting the last couple of weeks.

00:24:37.000 He missed the letter 12 days ago.

00:24:38.000 On August 12th, the House sent a letter saying, oh, these documents were TSSI.

00:24:42.000 It's been out there for a week or 10 days.

00:24:44.000 But here's the question I have for the audience and to make sure that we're all up to speed.

00:24:49.000 Were these documents declassified?

00:24:51.000 The documents that the president possessed at Mar-a-Lago?

00:24:54.000 Yes.

00:24:54.000 He says that they were the process that he had was that when he wanted to take classified documents home to do work, he can go up to the residents, leave the Oval Office.

00:25:03.000 The normal procedure is the National Security Officer stays with a classified document, gives it to the president.

00:25:07.000 When the president's done, the National Security Officer takes that document back, gives it to the White House staff secretary, and there's a process.

00:25:13.000 So it remains classified.

00:25:14.000 It remains classified, and it's also put into the records archive so that people know this document exists.

00:25:19.000 Somehow, these classified officers felt comfortable leaving a document behind and letting the president take it up.

00:25:25.000 So there was a break in the normal protocol.

00:25:27.000 What the president's which, by the way, the protocol is set by the president.

00:25:30.000 It is.

00:25:31.000 That's right.

00:25:32.000 So what the president's team is saying is that at least the back end of his presidency, he would take home documents to the Oval Office.

00:25:40.000 And he told people, if they're classified, and I move them from the Oval Office up to the residents, they're by my order.

00:25:45.000 They've been declassified just by the mere act of me walking them.

00:25:49.000 People have cast out on that question.

00:25:50.000 There are people like John Bolton said, that can't possibly be true.

00:25:53.000 But oh, by the way, the president's order is still absolute.

00:25:56.000 We don't know yet.

00:25:57.000 I think this is going to be litigated.

00:25:58.000 How good is the proof?

00:25:59.000 What does the president say?

00:26:01.000 What does the United States submit?

00:26:02.000 Well, and this is a this is just like the pardon power.

00:26:05.000 This is a plenary power of the executive.

00:26:07.000 It's a plenary power of the president to declassify how would I using whatever protocol he wants to use.

00:26:13.000 That is his right as the president.

00:26:14.000 Barack Obama and Jordan Obama.

00:26:17.000 They make clear that the president doesn't have to follow the classification process that everybody else is.

00:26:21.000 There's an order that says the president, vice president, they're exempt.

00:26:23.000 Everybody else has to follow these rules.

00:26:25.000 Unilateral classification.

00:26:27.000 But I think it's important for people to understand that under the Constitution, the president does.

00:26:32.000 It would be like them saying if the president went to pardon somebody, that he didn't follow the right process.

00:26:37.000 And so that person, if he signs a paper, they're pardoned.

00:26:39.000 That's it.

00:26:40.000 That's the end.

00:26:40.000 He's the president.

00:26:44.000 Charlie Kirk here.

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00:27:41.000 We're talking about the fact that the FBI went completely above word on this.

00:27:46.000 And so I've had a bunch of people on today talking about the FBI, what should be done with it, what should we do with it.

00:27:51.000 You know, we've got everyone from the gamut saying one, you know, one politician saying, oh, let's reform it.

00:27:55.000 And then the next guy said, well, let's defund it and then pass legislation to reform it. 0.52

00:27:59.000 Another people saying just dismantle the entire thing, give it back to the states, let the states be empowered.

00:28:06.000 You mentioned something off air about Scotland Yard.

00:28:08.000 What were you saying about Scotland Yard?

00:28:10.000 So the British have an interesting model, right?

00:28:11.000 They have Scotland Yard.

00:28:12.000 They just do the crime in the country.

00:28:14.000 Then there is an MI5 and MI6 that do internal and external intelligence gathering.

00:28:18.000 There are a group of members in Congress I've been talking to that very privately been talking among each other that that might be a future model, which is, all right, we're going to keep the FBI and just let it solve crimes.

00:28:27.000 We're going to take all the counterintelligence stuff, put that to a domestic counterintelligence thing, keep the CIA doing the CIA's foreign intelligence, and we'd have the best world.

00:28:35.000 When you look at the things that have most concerned the American public and members of Congress in the last 10 years, almost all of them flow from the counterintelligence capabilities of the FBI.

00:28:45.000 By the way, the increased powers they got after 9-11, everybody was worried, you give an agency that much power, will they eventually start to cheat?

00:28:52.000 They cheated in the Russia case, right? 0.53

00:28:54.000 They doctored evidence.

00:28:55.000 They lied to a FISA court.

00:28:57.000 There is a growing belief that counterintelligence capability mixed with criminal creates a temptation to find things and then build a criminal case against your enemies.

00:29:07.000 And I think breaking that apart is one of the ideas that some members of Congress are talking about privately right now.

00:29:12.000 I think that separation is intriguing some people, but let's step back from that.

00:29:17.000 That could solve a problem.

00:29:18.000 And I know for sure, members of the-it's almost like dividing.

00:29:21.000 Yeah.

00:29:21.000 It's almost like dividing CIA, a new domestic intelligence agency, and then the FBI becomes the crime fighters and nothing else.

00:29:28.000 And so that part that's in the FBI now of domestic intelligence, which by the way was abused for parents, right?

00:29:33.000 Abused for potentially Russia collusion, clearly abused, may be abused here with the presence of a problem if they're going after child sex traffickers and people that are grooming on the internet, people, you know, teachers who are grooming, corrupt politicians that are actually, you know, and by the way, real corruption, like this guy took money to get this passed.

00:29:53.000 And you've got the bag and you've got like AB scam back in the day. 0.61

00:29:56.000 If you're going after bank robbers, you know, that type of thing, sure, of course, let's have an agency for that.

00:30:02.000 But here's the question that I think a lot of people are going to have, like NCMEC for missing exploited children.

00:30:07.000 Absolutely.

00:30:08.000 The question, though, is with this model, how do you regulate and how do you actually have oversight over this?

00:30:14.000 Because of course, you go back to J. Edgar Hoover.

00:30:16.000 The question is, if they're spying on Congress, they ain't got any oversight.

00:30:19.000 They're overseeing you.

00:30:21.000 They are.

00:30:21.000 And they have leverage over you potentially.

00:30:23.000 Right.

00:30:23.000 That's what the Uber years are all about.

00:30:25.000 There's another part of this, which is, let's take one of the instances that had nothing to do with counterintelligence.

00:30:30.000 The failures of the FBI in the Olympic sex scandal, where the FBI knew that young women were being raised.

00:30:36.000 Yes.

00:30:36.000 And they didn't act on it.

00:30:38.000 They dropped it.

00:30:38.000 Then they lied about it afterwards suggests that some of the problems that have predominantly been evidenced in the counterintelligence may also be in the culture of the criminal side.

00:30:46.000 So some people want to say, you know what?

00:30:48.000 It's just so darn flawed.

00:30:49.000 Go back to the church hearings in the 70s.

00:30:51.000 It was flawed then.

00:30:52.000 Go back to the FBI lab hearings in the 1990s.

00:30:55.000 They were cheating in the FBI lab regularly.

00:30:57.000 This agency has so much cheating going on.

00:30:59.000 We should blow it up.

00:31:00.000 So there is a subcategory, which, by the way, we used to have INS.

00:31:03.000 We don't have INS anymore.

00:31:05.000 We've done this.

00:31:05.000 We can do whatever we want.

00:31:07.000 Yeah.

00:31:08.000 I think there's going to be a robust debate.

00:31:10.000 And I think that large range that you talked about is probably what's in play.

00:31:14.000 There's some people that want to get rid of it entirely, reinvent the wheel.

00:31:17.000 Some people want to divide it and do some other things.

00:31:19.000 And others who want to try to work within the system and reform it.

00:31:22.000 But I've been in this town 30 years.

00:31:24.000 I've covered four major rounds of scandals with the FBI.

00:31:28.000 Everyone always promised this is the scandal we're going to reform it.

00:31:31.000 And then another scandal comes down the line.

00:31:32.000 It's an agency that's had a hard time assuming accountability.

00:31:36.000 It doesn't hold itself accountable as much as other agencies do.

00:31:39.000 And it seems to fall into the same trap, which is it's more important to get a win than to follow the law.

00:31:45.000 And that's when you see at the heart of all their cheating, that's where the FBI constantly went wrong.

00:31:49.000 If we can't get a win, we're going to ignore it.

00:31:51.000 We can get a win, we might push the envelope.

00:31:53.000 That culture may be so ingrained in the FBI that some people have a concern of leaving the institution there.

00:31:58.000 We'll see where this ends up, but it's not a debate that will be ignored in 2023.

00:32:02.000 Look, if I had my brother, we only got one minute left.

00:32:05.000 I know you have a heart out, but I got to say the one thing that we definitely, definitely, in terms of all this, have to get rid of is that building that J. Edgar Hoover eyesore, that it is, it's disgusting.

00:32:16.000 It's one of the most ugly buildings I've ever seen in my life. 0.60

00:32:19.000 Stalin would love it.

00:32:21.000 That seems like something out of Soviet Russia.

00:32:22.000 If anyone has seen this, I don't know if we get a picture of it up.

00:32:25.000 You've seen it, right?

00:32:26.000 It's horrific.

00:32:27.000 I've been it many times.

00:32:28.000 I've visited it many times.

00:32:30.000 Yeah, listen, it needs more than a fresh coat of paint and a new building.

00:32:33.000 A cultural problem, but the building is symbolic of so many of the failures.

00:32:37.000 Exactly.

00:32:37.000 There's also some amazing people that work every day to keep us safe.

00:32:40.000 They never get credit because they fall below all of these scandals, but there's a lot of good people.

00:32:44.000 14 of them have come out in the recent months and gone to Jim Jordan and to Chuck Brassley saying, we want to blow the whistle on what's really going on.

00:32:52.000 Maybe they're the impetus for change.

00:32:53.000 John, we're going to have to take off.

00:32:55.000 I know you have a hit.

00:32:56.000 I want to take, let's take the 14 whistleblowers and put them in charge of whatever the new thing is. 0.95

00:33:01.000 Because let's take them and have them running the place because I don't want another McCabe, a Comey, a Strock, or any of that.

00:33:08.000 All right, this, that is ending us.

00:33:10.000 Thanks so much for listening.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 24, 2022

Exposing New Mar-A-Lago Raid BOMBSHELLS with John Solomon

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