00:00:09.000Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, we have Alam Bukhari, who is the senior tech editor at Breitbart News, does a phenomenal job at Breitbart.
00:00:18.000He has a new book out called Hashtag Deleted, hashtag deleted.
00:00:23.000He is a great mind, an important mind.
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00:01:26.000Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:28.000I am joined by Breitbart's senior tech writer and editor, Alam Bokari.
00:01:34.000Alum has a new incredible book called Hashtag Deleted, Big Tech's Battle to Erase the Trump Movement and Steal the Election.
00:01:43.000I've had an opportunity to read a couple chapters from this book, and I want to read one part in particular.
00:01:48.000But before I get started, I just want to reinforce how important this issue is.
00:01:53.000This is probably the biggest issue in our country that the ruling class does not want to talk about because they actually benefit from the censorship happening in digital social media.
00:02:02.000And I really believe it is the greatest attack on first principles and freedom of speech that the West has ever seen.
00:02:08.000Alam, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:15.000We are sort of barreling towards a future where there's going to be no free speech because it's controlled by these unaccountable tech giants.
00:02:22.000There's going to be no privacy because we've signed away to these tech giants.
00:02:26.000And all of our behavior, all of our beliefs are going to be manipulated by these all-powerful companies because they know so much about us and can essentially flood us with propaganda without us even realizing it.
00:03:06.000I'm describing the actual reaction of the tech nerds who had, for a previous decade, spun an image of themselves as the smartest people in the world and now felt that they had been let down by their alleged galaxy-sized brains, just as it had done to the election pollsters and journalists.
00:03:21.000The U.S. presidential election outcome had utterly confounded Silicon Valley's predictions.
00:03:30.000It's just an opening shot in your book.
00:03:33.000The tech giants really kind of felt as if they let their team down.
00:03:38.000Is it almost as if they were vested to be the vanguard or the bulwark of kind of globalistic, globalist philosophy, and they felt some form of guilt.
00:03:51.000And, you know, Silicon Valley, much like other, You know, parts of elite America were, you know, convinced Hillary Clinton was going was going to win.
00:04:10.000And obviously, they were completely shocked on election night.
00:04:14.000You know, back in 2018, I got my hands on an internal video from inside Google.
00:04:19.000And this video showed the leadership of Google, the co-founders, the CEO, their top leadership team, a couple of days after the election reacting to Donald Trump.
00:04:29.000And it's exactly as my sources describe in the book: a complete sense of panic and dismay.
00:04:35.000You even had the co-founder of Google saying the election result, the decision of the American voters personally offended him.
00:04:43.000And then they go on to describe, you know, the things they need to do.
00:04:47.000You had one Google executive talking about how he wants to make the populist movement a blip or a hiccup in history.
00:04:55.000And, you know, the sources I've interviewed in this book, people from inside Facebook, people inside Google, and people who used to work for Twitter, all of the tech companies had exactly the same reaction.
00:05:06.000First, complete shock and then anger and then guilt.
00:05:10.000Guilt that they didn't do enough to stop Donald Trump.
00:05:13.000And that's been the story of the last four years in Silicon Valley: how to make sure 2016 doesn't happen again.
00:05:20.000What's been really interesting, Alan, and I think we need to start framing it like this.
00:05:25.000These tech companies are not companies.
00:05:52.000And what's to prevent them from using this incredible amount of power to try and silence the opposition and try to put forth a political agenda that very well might be at odds with most of our country?
00:06:08.000These Silicon Valley companies are dominated by an extremely far-left ideology.
00:06:14.000My sources inside Facebook and Google, you know, everything we're seeing, we've seen over the past three months, corporations going woke, you know, hiring Robin DiAngelo to lecture their employees on so-called white fragility.
00:06:28.000That was happening in Silicon Valley years and years ago.
00:06:31.000They were very much ahead of the curve on this woke, far-left, progressive, sort of anti-American, very racist ideology.
00:06:39.000That is the ideology of Silicon Valley.
00:06:41.000And you can't speak out against it because if you're a conservative in one of these companies and you speak out against it, like James Daymore did, like Palmer Lucky did, then you just get fired.
00:06:51.000So it's completely dominant and it's going to go on to influence these technologies that control so much of our lives.
00:07:00.000You know, our businesses are going to be dependent on those technologies.
00:07:02.000Our elections that are going to be dependent on these technologies.
00:07:05.000Everything we do is dependent on these technologies.
00:07:08.000And if you don't conform to their ideology, you simply won't be allowed to use them, or you'll be allowed to use them and you'll be covertly suppressed.
00:07:18.000You compared these companies to governments.
00:07:20.000That's something Mark Zuckerberg has actually admitted to.
00:07:22.000He's even set up a so-called Facebook Supreme Court to judge as a kind of a way to almost reinforce that sense of Facebook being a new government.
00:07:44.000It's always struck me as incredibly bizarre that, you know, if you're the owner of a business and your landlord, you know, renting your commercial property decides to evict you for an arbitrary reason, you can take them to court and they have to follow a very clear due process for evicting tenants.
00:08:02.000But if your entire business depends on a YouTube channel or a Facebook page or a Twitter account or an Instagram account, you have no recourse.
00:08:12.000You can take these companies to court, but they have special legal immunities given to them by the government that will make your efforts almost completely futile.
00:08:25.000A lot of conservatives have said these are private companies and we shouldn't do anything.
00:08:29.000I think this is an excuse, either because they like their dogmatic ideas more than actually what's right for our country, or they're purchased by the tech companies.
00:08:38.000I kind of put them into two brackets if they give that excuse.
00:08:41.000And the people that just hide behind their ideas, I think that eventually they're going to come around as soon as they realize these tech companies are more powerful than the Pentagon.
00:08:50.000The people that are purchased by Silicon Valley, though, are in some ways more dangerous.
00:08:58.000Can you just quickly comment on how some people in the free market movement have taken millions of dollars from these tech companies, and they actually might be publishing pieces of literature that they themselves don't actually believe, but they're nothing more than intellectual guns for hire?
00:09:16.000So, what Google's strategy has been, and Facebook's to some extent as well, is to flood Washington, D.C. with money, and they fund both sides of the aisle.
00:09:24.000They fund liberal think tanks and they fund conservative think tanks.
00:09:27.000And the purpose of this funding on the conservative side is to essentially say, as you put it, that if we interfere with these companies in any way, then we're interfering in the free market.
00:09:37.000Obviously, it's a completely bogus argument because, as I just mentioned, these companies owe a lot of their dominant position in the marketplace to the fact that they got government handouts in the 1990s.
00:09:48.000But even if that weren't the case, these companies are so dominant and so threatening to liberty that the government would need to do something about them anyway.
00:09:56.000It's exactly what Teddy Roosevelt did at the turn of the 20th century.
00:10:00.000You can't allow these, you can't allow unaccountable private actors to grow so large that they're a threat to American liberty.
00:10:07.000And that's the point of the free market.
00:10:10.000But certainly, if you hear someone making the argument that, you know, we're that there are many arguments.
00:10:17.000First, they say, you know, you're inferring the free market, you're inferring free enterprise.
00:10:20.000They also compare any regulation of the tech giants to the fairness doctrine.
00:10:24.000Almost all of these arguments come from these Google-funded conservative think tanks.
00:10:29.000So this is, and you know, many Republican politicians take money from Google and from Facebook as well.
00:10:35.000So this is really something where the grassroots will have to make this, you know, unacceptable in their movement.
00:10:42.000I think taking money from these tech giants needs to be as unacceptable to an ordinary Republican voter as taking money from Planned Parenthood.
00:10:51.000They shouldn't tolerate their politicians and their representatives doing it.
00:11:14.000And I actually make the argument that all of these issues that we as conservatives care about-sovereignty, immigration, firearms, abortion-none of them actually are able even to be discussed if the issue of speech is not handled correctly.
00:11:30.000I mean, it is a first freedom for a reason.
00:11:32.000If you can't talk, if you can't have the marketplace of ideas, then are you even able to discuss whether we should have firearm ownership?
00:11:40.000In the second chapter, I want to dive into this.
00:11:44.000The internet promised to be the greatest leap forward for individual freedom since the Bill of Rights.
00:11:49.000With blogs and newsletters, we are all printing presses.
00:11:53.000With webcams and podcasts, we were all broadcasters.
00:11:56.000With websites and online payment processors, we could all start businesses without getting up from our couches.
00:12:02.000Reddit founder Alex O'Hannon summed it up best in 2013 in an interview with Forbes: To join in the Industrial Revolution, you needed an open factory.
00:12:10.000The internet revolution, you just need an open laptop.
00:12:13.000Alam, can you tell us how the internet was lost?
00:12:16.000Because this actually promised to be a phenomenal source of creative energy and to use a free market term of the people that are bought by Google, creative destruction, which I like in theory.
00:12:27.000I just don't see it happen very often anymore because of many different reasons.
00:12:32.000Yeah, this is what I think should make people really angry because the internet as it existed 10 or 15 years ago was this genuine great leap forward for free expression, for the marketplace of ideas.
00:12:49.000Everyone had access to this global audience for their messages.
00:12:54.000It was a huge threat to the old gatekeepers of information.
00:12:58.000And that's in part why the establishment had to destroy it.
00:13:02.000But it's really gone from this fantastic expansion of liberties to this extremely dystopian control thing.
00:13:11.000We've gone from absolute, you know, a great, you know, a giant step forward for liberty to a giant step backward.
00:13:19.000I think it's getting to a point where it's even worse than the pre-internet age, because now these tech companies are using their power not just to suppress our speech, but to manipulate us into certain behaviors and certain belief systems.
00:13:33.000I've heard from sources inside Facebook who say these companies have to sort of develop models of changing people's political opinions and they're going to use that to move people away from the right to the center.
00:13:47.000We've gone from this promised utopia of free expression and democratized information and free information to an absolute dystopia controlled by a few unaccountable technological behemoths.
00:14:00.000And now these technological behemoths are staffed with the very same people that are burning down our cities.
00:14:05.000They're staffed with all the very same people that find, let's say, an intellectual home with the Nicole Hanna-Jones of the world.
00:14:16.000That's basically who staffs Google and Facebook.
00:14:18.000And if you dare disagree, you dare go work at Facebook as an electronic, you know, as some form of an engineer or at Google or at Twitter, and you dare say there are only two genders.
00:14:30.000You brought up the point of James DeMoray or DeMore, I can never pronounce his name correctly.
00:14:36.000You get run out of the company and you get basically thrown at as if it's a college campus.
00:14:42.000In the third chapter of your book, it's called The Panic.
00:14:46.000You say, quote, censorship never happens in a vacuum.
00:14:49.000Certain historical conditions are always present.
00:14:53.000Whenever there's a crusade to restrain a new form of expression, be it a book, a song, or a video game, or an entire medium of communication, it is always accompanied by its inseparable sibling, moral panic.
00:15:07.000So, in order to constrain something and prevent public backlash against your censorship efforts, you normally have to convince at least a large section of the public that there's a grave threat that you have to contain.
00:15:19.000And that's exactly what we saw with the fake news panic after 2016.
00:15:23.000We saw the mainstream media in alliance with Democratic politicians and groups like Media Matters convince their side that there's this huge problem of fake news on the internet or misinformation or Russian propaganda.
00:15:37.000And if we don't do something about it, we're all going to be convinced into voting for more people like Donald Trump.
00:16:02.000But behind that propaganda effort, I want to go a little bit deeper here.
00:16:06.000The reason the establishment panicked so much at the election of Donald Trump was that it showed what the internet could do.
00:16:14.000I genuinely believe that Donald Trump wouldn't have won in 2016 without the internet.
00:16:18.000The margins in those swing states were very, very low.
00:16:21.000And obviously there are multiple factors that led to his win.
00:16:24.000But if he took away the internet, which was, I think, one of the biggest factors, he would not have won the election.
00:16:30.000So what the establishment finds so threatening about the internet, I think, is this concept of virality, of emergence.
00:16:40.000Obviously, we've seen over the past four years the big tech companies trying to erase the Trump movement, banning prominent Trump supporters left, right, and center.
00:16:48.000But they're also doing something far more insidious and far harder to notice, which is they want to prevent the emergence of new movements.
00:16:56.000And they do that by shadow banning, by covertly suppressing conservative content in their algorithms.
00:17:02.000And they're threatened by a specific type of conservative.
00:17:07.000They're not threatened by the old establishment conservatives who only talk about low taxes and deregulation and foreign awards and endless foreign wars, exactly.
00:17:17.000But they are threatened by populist nationalists who talk about cultural issues, who think it's important to discuss thorny issues like race and gender.
00:17:39.000So we're barreling towards a situation where one side of the political aisle, the left, is allowed to use these powerful technologies to go viral and spread their message and allow their own grassroots to form new movements through these platforms, whereas the other side is completely shut off from that, unable to connect with each other, unable to spread their message.
00:18:02.000And that advantage is just going to be so huge for the left that it's a real threat to, I think, political liberty and to free and fair democracy.
00:18:42.000But before I get to the question, I just want to kind of re-emphasize something you've said, which is the president has changed the Republican Party for the better.
00:18:49.000During the Republican convention, you saw repeated points of praise that the president is ending foreign wars, is standing for freedom of speech, and is now the middle-class president, and also is corporate skeptic, which I think is the proper approach in modern America right now, because a lot of these corporations act as if they're governments and they don't believe in liberty or freedom and they only care about globalist vision of destroying the American middle class, where the Democrats are now the party of endless foreign wars,
00:19:16.000anti-free speech, the destruction of the American middle class and their pro-corporate party, which I think is really interesting.
00:19:22.000And I could see why they don't want that message to spread, because a lot of the Bernie Sanders supporters could be very quickly turned into Trump or conservatives if they just understood that kind of paradigm shift.
00:19:32.000And so I think that there is an incentive structure for the tech companies to try to prevent that kind of distribution of information.
00:19:39.000Here's my question, though, which I think is, I'm a little uncertain on how this one plays out.
00:19:48.000At the current trend of where the internet is headed with the tech companies ruling with this capacity, do you think it's long past time for Congress to implement some form of a internet fairness doctrine or at least some speech regulation?
00:20:03.000Because it seems that they see their power grab right now and they actually feel morally convicted to do this to suppress opposing views.
00:20:11.000What do you think is actually a policy prescription to this?
00:20:14.000Well, I certainly wouldn't describe it as a fairness doctrine.
00:20:17.000That's the word the conservative think tanks love to use because they know it will convince grassroots conservatives that any kind of regulation is a bad idea.
00:20:27.000But I would certainly say that there are several solutions that need to be considered.
00:20:32.000You need a solution with a social media censorship.
00:20:35.000And I think the solution there is to simply give ordinary Americans the right to take these companies to court if they're suspended for arbitrary reasons.
00:20:43.000And you really have to narrow the bounds by which these companies are allowed to suspend people or ban people.
00:20:50.000I think the ultimate end game that would maximize consumer choice is simply say that social networks aren't allowed to ban anyone or anything that's First Amendment protected, but you can add optional filters.
00:21:04.000So Google for a long time has had a safe search button that you can turn on or off, and that'll filter out exceed content from your search results.
00:21:13.000So they have the technology to give people optional filters, but they don't want to use that for things like so-called hate speech and so-called misinformation, because that would take away their power to control the flow of information.
00:21:41.000But also, as I said, if anyone who has been banned, I think needs to have the ability to take these companies to court.
00:21:48.000And that's essentially what the Trump administration is doing now with Trump's social media censorship executive order.
00:21:57.000There's now a petition before the FCC written by Adam Kandayev, who's very, very good on these issues, by the way, to narrow the bounds of that crucial piece of legislation that the tech companies use to give themselves the power to ban anyone for any reason whatsoever.
00:22:15.000I believe it's the fifth chapter, it's just called Deleted, which is the title of your book.
00:22:20.000You talk about how many conservatives have been banned from these social media companies.
00:22:24.000And then you go on to point out the double standard.
00:22:26.000Can you talk about this, about how some of the liberals have been trying to incite harm against minors, such as the Covington Catholic example, and they don't lose their accounts, but conservatives dare speak in favor of the president and they lose their social media accounts?
00:22:40.000Indeed, this is where you can see the huge double standards.
00:22:43.000You look at some of the reasons that tech companies have used to ban conservatives or lock themselves out of their accounts.
00:22:51.000Andy No, I believe, was locked out of his Twitter account once for mentioning actual crime statistics about transgender murders.
00:23:00.000This was Twitter locked his account for hate speech.
00:23:04.000When the George Floyd riots were happening and you were doing those very good videos, by the way, on crime statistics, I was wondering, wow, is Charlie Kirk going to get banned?
00:23:24.000But liberals, meanwhile, they get, you know, we thought in the Covington high school drama that they were able to, you know, these kids with violence.
00:23:33.000Someone said in all caps, you know, lock these kids in a building and burn it down.
00:23:41.000And he still has a Twitter account, not banned for that.
00:24:35.000We have 15-year-olds and 50-year-olds and people that are in their 80s.
00:24:38.000And that's one of the things that makes our program unique.
00:24:41.000Can you dive into this idea of robot sensors?
00:24:43.000And can you also just reinforce the significance of this?
00:24:46.000Because sometimes when I talk to people in their 60s or 70s and 80s, they kind of consider this to be a little bit of a fringe issue, that it's just not that important.
00:25:07.000And then can you just reinforce and kind of just complete the circle of why this is not just some inconsequential kind of peripheral issue?
00:25:16.000So an algorithm, essentially, you know, people have seen these are complicated.
00:25:49.000A hate speech algorithm would look at various posts on social media, look at the post you make on Facebook or Twitter, and it'll decide, well, what words are in this post?
00:26:03.000Now, the problem you get is when the people who are training these algorithms, telling them how to recognize hate speech, are all radical leftists.
00:26:12.000You're going to get a situation where these algorithms go further and further to the left.
00:26:18.000The way these programs understand hate speech will mirror how a Berkeley gender studies graduate understands hate speech.
00:26:27.000And this is really, really powerful and threatening because we're going to be in a future very soon where every single one of our posts, everything you post on social media or on the internet is going to be scanned by these algorithms and used to either suppress you or promote you.
00:26:43.000So if the algorithm sees so-called hate speech in your post, you're going to be buried down in the search results.
00:26:50.000You're not going to appear on trending topics.
00:26:53.000It may countergain to the secret scores that these technologies, these social media platforms have, sort of similar to a social credit score.
00:27:01.000If you post hate speech too many times, your score will go down.
00:27:07.000This is really a formula for censoring an entire movement at the same time.
00:27:12.000Because as I said, these algorithms scan people's posts automatically.
00:27:17.000So it's a way to censor not just big, big names by the big names who have been banned, but everyone.
00:27:24.000And so can you reinforce the other part where some older listeners don't quite understand this issue?
00:27:29.000They don't have social media accounts.
00:27:31.000How important is this for the distribution of information, especially with younger voters?
00:27:36.000So imagine you're an undecided voter and you're using the internet.
00:27:40.000So you're on Facebook, you're on Google.
00:27:43.000If every conservative is being suppressed for hate speech, those messages that might persuade undecided voters will never actually reach them.
00:27:52.000We're getting to a situation on the internet where undecided voters, big tech is flooding undecided voters with a stream of propaganda from the mainstream media.
00:28:03.000They're flooding it to them in search results and they're flooding it to them on social media platforms because the only sort of trending topics that trending is like what you'll see at the top of your screen.
00:28:15.000So if it's trending, it's right at the top.
00:29:07.000And the content there is, let's say, shallow at best.
00:29:11.000But on YouTube, on Google search results, on Facebook, they see nothing but content that makes them feel and think a certain way, where the Overton window is so far moved by the time you're even able to contact these people as voters.
00:29:27.000The basis point when they're 18 is not whether or not America is a racist country.
00:29:34.000They've already made their mind up by the time they're 18.
00:29:36.000It's what are we going to do to destroy America because it's a racist country?
00:29:41.000It's as if their question is their decision-making matrix politically is no longer, oh, maybe I should chose search other sides.
00:29:49.000Their basis point is this is a non-negotiable.
00:29:52.000Every left-wing dogmatic belief is built into them by the time they want to go make a political decision, where the idea of even voting a Republican is so incredibly, it's so distant to them, it's never going to happen or a conservative or any of that.
00:30:06.000Can you talk about how conservatives and Trump supporters generally have actually had more viral content?
00:30:12.000You've mentioned this before, but we as conservatives actually have better content and actually resonate really well.
00:30:18.000But if we were given the kind of internet we had back in 15 and 16, where these tech companies were caught a little bit flat-footed, we're actually able to win arguments that we actually are able to make viral content better than the left.
00:30:32.000So YouTube has actually had to change its search results because pro-life content was doing too well in search results for abortion.
00:30:41.000They've had to take down videos criticizing the Federal Reserve because when people were searching for the Federal Reserve, they were finding lots too many videos from conservatives and libertarians criticizing that whole system.
00:30:52.000So YouTube is a great example because I remember back in 16 and 17, political YouTube was dominated by right-wing content creators.
00:31:04.000Even PewDiePie, one of the most popular YouTubers in the world, whenever he does a political video, it tends to be on the right.
00:31:11.000He tends to lean right in his political opinions.
00:31:14.000So, you have so many examples of this.
00:31:17.000But it's so dangerous because big tech companies now are the most powerful brainwashing tools that have ever been invented.
00:31:25.000They're more powerful even than the indoctrination you'll find in left-wing college campuses because these tech companies have models of human behavior.
00:31:36.000They know how to prod us and nudge us in certain directions.
00:31:39.000And they're absolutely going to use that power to influence our political beliefs.
00:31:44.000Exactly, as you said, by the time people reach 18 in America, it's not going to be about whether America is a racist country or not, whether America's evil or not.
00:31:52.000They'll already have made up their minds, and the tech companies will be one of the big culprits to that.
00:31:58.000In closing, here, can you kind of add some more insight into where the tech companies are going to go next?
00:32:12.000Meaning, is Facebook better than Google?
00:32:14.000Or is it just basically you're talking about such marginal points of better, it's not even worth mentioning?
00:32:21.000What is their game plan moving forward if they are not stopped?
00:32:25.000Well, what the tech companies want, and I think the establishment is prodding them to do this as well.
00:32:29.000Democrat politicians are prodding them to do this, is as I said earlier in this show, prevent the emergence of new movements that pose a real threat to the establishment.
00:32:41.000That's what all of their efforts over the past four years.
00:32:44.000I mean, if you read my book, you'll see sources inside these companies confirming this and explaining how it's happening.
00:32:51.000All of their efforts on so-called election integrity, so-called fake news and misinformation-words that, by the way, only became popular inside these companies after Trump was elected.
00:33:02.000All of these efforts are focused on preventing the emergence of new movements that are genuinely dangerous to the establishment and keeping politics controlled between this old battle between neoliberals and neoconservatives that has been going on for 30 or 40 years and doesn't offer any real change to the voters.
00:33:22.000In a bizarre way, though, Alam, is that now those of us that are a little bit critical of the neoconservatives in the Trump movement, in the populist movement, now we're assuming neoliberal values by saying that we want to be able to speak?
00:33:36.000It's as if there's no one that represents the old marketplace of ideas.
00:33:40.000In a very bizarre way, it's the left has become anti-liberal and almost very leftist or fascist in nature.
00:33:46.000And there's very few, if anyone, that represents the ideas of contrarian or controversial ideas.
00:33:53.000So, the book is called Hashtag Deleted.
00:34:21.000I would separate it into three big steps.
00:34:24.000First, I would get active in politics in the real world, send letters, phone your representative, and talk to undecided voters that you know in real life, because as I said, they're going to be flooded with propaganda on these tech platforms.
00:34:37.000You can't rely on tech platforms to give them a balance.
00:34:39.000You have to go and talk to undecided voters yourself.
00:34:42.000That's how you get around this in the coming election.
00:35:19.000The algorithms are trained to, you know, be hyper-aware of anyone who's even suggested to be a so-called racist or a sexist or a bigot.
00:35:28.000So don't play into it by, you know, calling people racists or calling people bigots on the internet because you're playing into the algorithms.
00:36:04.000I don't know if you Google it, it's going to show up or not.
00:36:07.000So where can people find this book if it's not going to show up on Google?
00:36:11.000Well, you can go to deletedbook.com, type that into your web browser.
00:36:15.000You can also, you can find it on Amazon, but you can also find it on Barnes and Noble if you want a less evil company to buy the book from.
00:36:28.000This is the number one issue in our country.
00:36:30.000And I just wish our political and ruling class took it seriously, but they won't because it actually protects them.
00:36:36.000But for Republicans and conservatives out there, you got to get this issue right and stop giving money to politicians that take money from these companies.
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