The Charlie Kirk Show - Exposing the Enemy of the American People with Breitbart's Alex Marlow

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:00.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, editor-in-chief of Breitbart.com, Alex Marlow, joins us to preview his new book where he believes he has found the new George Soros, who might be a man or a woman or someone who identifies as neither, who is influencing all of American politics.

00:00:15.000 He also talks about his new book, Breaking the News, and we get into some very specific good news and not so good news about the future of our country.

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00:00:46.000 Alex Marlow is here.

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00:02:23.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:26.000 I am very excited.

00:02:27.000 I'm thrilled, actually.

00:02:28.000 I saw it on my calendar this morning.

00:02:30.000 I said I got to talk to somebody very smart, which we try to do every day, but we don't always, we're not always successful.

00:02:37.000 Alex, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:39.000 Charlie, it is a pleasure to be on with you.

00:02:41.000 As I was just telling you, off here, I only reached out to maybe three friends.

00:02:45.000 We announced a book today, my first book.

00:02:47.000 I only reached out to three friends who I want to talk to right away, you being one of those.

00:02:51.000 So I hope that I mean something to your audience too, because I trust you a lot.

00:02:55.000 And that's, I'm not the world's most trusting person as editor of Breitbart.

00:03:01.000 I've been burned a few times over the years, but you got one of the first calls.

00:03:05.000 Well, thank you, Alex.

00:03:06.000 And then the book is called Breaking the News.

00:03:09.000 I want to just talk big picture because I want to have you back on when we're closer to launch day.

00:03:13.000 Everyone should go buy a copy, and our audience loves to be aware of books and things that are happening.

00:03:18.000 Tell us big picture, 35,000 feet, what is the hypothesis or the thesis of the book?

00:03:24.000 What are you positing?

00:03:26.000 And then why did you write it?

00:03:28.000 So what I did is I spent about a year doing really deep investigations into the establishment media.

00:03:28.000 Sure.

00:03:35.000 And we all know that the media is biased, but it felt like over the last couple of years since Donald Trump really came down that escalator, that it has weaponized.

00:03:46.000 It has become less about left versus right and more about executing an agenda.

00:03:52.000 And then I started to dig in more and it became even more complex than that.

00:03:55.000 And you start realizing so many of the decisions that are made inside of our newsrooms are based off of corporate interests.

00:04:01.000 And then you start pulling back that thread and you see that so many of the key decisions that are made are no doubt due to the structure of these multinational corporations that control all of our news.

00:04:13.000 And you're an independent guy and I'm an independent guy and there's a handful of other independent guys and media.

00:04:18.000 But for the most part, the vast majority of stuff we're consuming, there are puppet masters who are there.

00:04:24.000 And this is not conspiracy stuff.

00:04:25.000 It's all in plain sight.

00:04:26.000 It's all there.

00:04:27.000 And if you know any outlet that you're reading from in general, aside from a few of these individuals that pop up, are these big corporate leviathans?

00:04:37.000 And so the book really starts delving into those connections, what they mean, and exactly the extent to which they're corrupt.

00:04:46.000 They're just, it is unbelievable, Charlie.

00:04:48.000 It was a year of investigation.

00:04:50.000 I have a small team of researchers, including some people on loan to me from Peter Schweitzer's shop, GAI.

00:04:56.000 He's the best in the game at this stuff.

00:04:57.000 And I try to do what he does to the political establishment, but for the media establishment, and you know me, I'm not easily surprised by stuff.

00:05:06.000 I'm kind of grizzled veteran in the news business.

00:05:08.000 I was surprised multiple, multiple times.

00:05:11.000 And I'm happy to get into some of the details and a lot more as we get closer to the day.

00:05:14.000 Yeah, just tease it enough so people press purchase.

00:05:18.000 Right.

00:05:19.000 And if I could give people a little incentive, I'm looking at Amazon right now.

00:05:21.000 I'm number six on books, which is a very pleasant surprise.

00:05:25.000 I'm two behind Bill Gates.

00:05:27.000 So I know everyone likes beating Bill Gates at this point.

00:05:29.000 So I would like to beat Bill Gates.

00:05:31.000 It's called Breaking the News.

00:05:32.000 I want to ask you a couple more questions about that.

00:05:34.000 Then I want to get into the news of the day.

00:05:36.000 So let me make sure I understand this correctly because I think it's fascinating.

00:05:40.000 You're looking at the business model of these news companies, not just the bias, but actually what is their monetary incentive, which I think is brilliant.

00:05:47.000 And if you look very carefully at who takes out the full page ads on the Sunday edition of the New York Times, if you look very carefully at the ownership structure of the Washington Post, which we know is Jeff Bezos, if you look at actually who places the advertisements on CNN in prime time, lowly watched, yet overly priced network, not network, but cable television on the seven, eight, and nine hour, you'll find that there is this confluous confluence of interest.

00:06:13.000 For example, the pharmaceutical companies, the hospital lobby, the college cartel is a great example.

00:06:18.000 So one of the easiest kind of wins for a journalist would be to send investigative journalists to investigate and audit the finances of the cartel of the colleges, right?

00:06:30.000 Harvard, Princeton, Yale.

00:06:31.000 Well, who do you think is buying these full-page advertisements on the Sunday edition of the New York Times?

00:06:37.000 It's Harvard or it's one of the Ivy League schools.

00:06:39.000 Can you talk about how the incentive structure of some of these corporations is to pander to specific corporate interests when in reality, that's where a lot of the investigative journalism should be done?

00:06:51.000 Yeah, this is a you're you're you're you're really on to something.

00:06:55.000 So if you look at, let's take a something like an NBC Universal.

00:07:00.000 NBC is part of a huge conglomerate that has entertainment interests and theme parks and distribution of movies, and they own sports arenas.

00:07:11.000 And the news business is just a small percentage of that.

00:07:14.000 And so you start seeing that their choices on what they investigate, what they highlight, where their politics are, they never stand in the way of the corporate interests of the entire conglomerate.

00:07:25.000 And that's why you start seeing things where you think that the, what would a Jeff Bezos be interested in a Washington Post?

00:07:31.000 Why would he want to own a Washington Post?

00:07:33.000 The Washington Post is worth maybe a quarter of a billion dollars.

00:07:36.000 He's personally worth $100 billion.

00:07:38.000 It's about influence.

00:07:40.000 It's never been a money play.

00:07:41.000 It's always about influence play.

00:07:42.000 And when people start thinking about this logically, it's going to dawn on them that there is infinite levels of conflicts of interest.

00:07:49.000 And you just can't trust virtually a single narrative you're reading in the establishment press.

00:07:54.000 There's almost always something that's conflicting with you getting the information you should be getting as a consumer.

00:07:59.000 There's something that Glenn Greenwald said many years ago, and I never actually used to risk, I never used to understand him.

00:08:05.000 I used to just kind of be the first one to admit it, kind of just label him in the left-wing box and just kind of move on.

00:08:14.000 But I think he's a lot more courageous and honest than I ever gave him credit for.

00:08:17.000 And I'm not afraid to admit that and see, and you've seen that in recent years.

00:08:22.000 But he used to say something a couple of years ago.

00:08:24.000 I would listen to him on some podcast, and he said the corporate media, the corporate media, kept on saying that.

00:08:28.000 And I just kind of dismissed it as typical Bernie Sanders Bolshevik anti-capitalist talk.

00:08:35.000 But what I have realized is that the corporate media does not represent American values or free enterprise values.

00:08:42.000 It represents a very, it's almost a racketeering class of protecting incumbent corporate interests for a very specific agenda.

00:08:51.000 Can you talk about how American journalism has changed over the last hundred years?

00:08:56.000 Because it was American journalists in the early 1900s, Ida B. Wells and the muckrakers that used to investigate the most powerful people on the planet.

00:09:04.000 Now, you might have think that some people think that was done unfairly.

00:09:07.000 It was probably done more aggressively, but I still think it's always a very healthy thing to have powerful people challenged.

00:09:13.000 There's a very it seems as if there is, you can almost hear the sound of silence, to use the Simon and Garfunkel term, of the lack of investigative reporting that is done towards Bezos, that is done towards the people that control everything.

00:09:30.000 In fact, Alex, I would, one, a argument I would make, and I would defend it, is that Breitbart.com has come under more investigative journalism, more scrutiny, more investigations, top to bottom, almost press colonoscopy than the richest man on the planet, Jeff Bezos, previously.

00:09:47.000 Would you agree at that?

00:09:49.000 Yeah, I would 100% agree with it.

00:09:50.000 And you're drawing a very apt comparison as usual.

00:09:54.000 This is, I got into this game with Andrew Breitbart as his first employee about, I guess it was about 14 years or so ago when I started with him in his basement, because he was one guy who wanted to take on the establishment press.

00:10:07.000 He wanted to show people what a small group of dedicated, focused truth tellers who had a good time doing it, what they could do to take on the man, to take on the establishment.

00:10:18.000 And yet you see so much of media.

00:10:20.000 What is it about now?

00:10:21.000 It's about destroying the individual.

00:10:23.000 It's like, oh, Charlie Kirk's built something.

00:10:24.000 How do we destroy that?

00:10:25.000 Breitbart's built something.

00:10:27.000 How do we destroy that?

00:10:28.000 And this is the thing that should really resonate with people in this cancel culture moment we're in.

00:10:34.000 There's one portion of the book that I can't tease too much because I think this is one where I really want people to focus on it when the time is right.

00:10:41.000 And I've been able to heavily guard this material for a year, which has been no small task in and of itself.

00:10:47.000 But there is an individual you're going to meet who is the new Soros.

00:10:51.000 This person, he or she is, her or his tentacles are in so many places, not just in the establishment media, but also in the activist media and in Democrat Party politics.

00:11:04.000 And when you see the way he or her operates, it will be so clear that, oh, yeah, this is a genius business model.

00:11:10.000 If you fund everything and you act like there's all of this institutional agreement, there's not institutional agreement.

00:11:17.000 There's one person with purse strings who is shoveling money wherever that person thinks it will best serve their agenda.

00:11:25.000 And once this becomes apparent to people, it's going to dawn on them.

00:11:29.000 This could be happening 100 different times in this country because now we're at this age where it is we do have a plutocracy.

00:11:37.000 We have this aristocracy.

00:11:39.000 And you know what?

00:11:40.000 I could live with it, Charlie, if they would allow people like you and me and Breitbart and Turning Point to be able to have our operations without having to endure this public colonoscopy by media, as you say.

00:11:52.000 24-7, at least treat us fairly.

00:11:54.000 At least treat us on, at least investigate the people who are the media reporters of the New York Times as much as you're investigating us.

00:12:00.000 If you do that, then maybe we'll be more hands-off.

00:12:03.000 But for now, we have to fight harder.

00:12:05.000 We have to fight much harder to expose these people because they want power for power's sake and they're accumulating it at a rapid rate at a stunning rate.

00:12:13.000 That's right.

00:12:14.000 And I think that what is so important about the book you're writing, and I don't even know who you're talking about, but I could venture a couple of guests.

00:12:21.000 I might call you later because I'm super curious, which is why everyone should go buy the book.

00:12:25.000 Because if you have me curious enough, I will go buy.

00:12:28.000 I think actually we are going to, we bought a couple books.

00:12:31.000 We're going to do some giveaways with the book actually on our podcast.

00:12:34.000 And so we're going to, if you'll sign them, Alex, I'm going to give them away that we purchase them.

00:12:34.000 Anything you want.

00:12:38.000 So you guys can tell us you listen to it.

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00:12:43.000 We bought a couple.

00:12:44.000 We want to be supportive of that.

00:12:46.000 I think we do live in a plutocracy.

00:12:48.000 The sooner people realize and admit it, the better.

00:12:52.000 Don't just try and hide behind carefully crafted free market soundbites to try to convince yourself we don't live in a plutocracy.

00:13:00.000 You could say that it's partially there because of government interference.

00:13:03.000 And I would say that and I would argue it.

00:13:04.000 I think that part of it is because we've used the force of government to allow these companies to grow too big.

00:13:09.000 I also think it's because of technology.

00:13:11.000 I also think it's because at times we haven't regulated them enough.

00:13:14.000 I think that's a nuanced position. 0.74

00:13:15.000 We should be unafraid to have that kind of, you know, like that multi-tiered analysis where it's as if it's either communistic Bolshevik socialism or, you know, we need, we're going to have Somalia.

00:13:27.000 Like that's basically the paradigm that everything exists.

00:13:30.000 And I'm just exhausted with that kind of conversation in our country.

00:13:34.000 It's very lazy.

00:13:35.000 And you're a thinker.

00:13:36.000 And I know your audience is too, or they wouldn't listen to your show.

00:13:39.000 And I think of that way, Reitbart's audience, which is such an edge for us because the left and the people, I know I'm cutting you off, but this is, I think, a really important emphasis.

00:13:46.000 They don't want to think.

00:13:47.000 They want to be told what to do.

00:13:48.000 And this is a huge advantage for us because we can start bench pressing them intellectually.

00:13:52.000 And that's going to be the key to the future.

00:13:55.000 And when you do think about things, you're going to have nuance and you're also going to win over public opinion because I think a majority of people are somewhere in the middle of, okay, we want to nationalize everything versus everything that tech companies do is wonderful, beautiful, and must never be challenged.

00:14:13.000 There's probably a pretty reasonable middle that I think most Americans embrace.

00:14:18.000 So, Alex, the book is Breaking the News, and we're going to have you on as these things start to get uncovered.

00:14:25.000 I have to give you a compliment on air.

00:14:27.000 Your marketing strategy is brilliant because you have just teased me to want to go buy even more books.

00:14:32.000 So that was as good as it gets, Alex.

00:14:35.000 Well done.

00:14:35.000 And I think you probably learned from the Schweitzer man because he's very good at that.

00:14:39.000 That tactic I've seen replicated in different sort of manifestations the last couple of years.

00:14:43.000 So well done.

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00:16:18.000 I want to kind of get to current events here.

00:16:21.000 And so I'm going to ask you an unusual question.

00:16:23.000 And it's a question I ask a lot of people.

00:16:25.000 What's the best thing happening in America right now?

00:16:29.000 I would say right now that the best thing that is happening in America right now is I'm hearing more and more people talk about things that they're doing outside of politics.

00:16:41.000 We've been so obsessed with politics 24-7.

00:16:44.000 I'm obsessed with it.

00:16:46.000 I'm totally addicted at this point.

00:16:47.000 I probably need to go to some sort of a, some sort of a talk therapy to get over it.

00:16:52.000 But I'm hearing more and more people talking about recommitment to faith, recommitment to going outside, recommitment to reading a book and not hanging out on social media, a commitment to family.

00:17:02.000 I've never heard so many people in my generation talk about having kids.

00:17:06.000 And I feel like, and talk about their pets again.

00:17:09.000 And it feels like that people know that we need to beat the left.

00:17:14.000 We need to beat whichever Democrat runs again in four years.

00:17:18.000 But we also need to balance our lives in the meantime, that we're in a fight for the next generations.

00:17:24.000 We're not in a fight for right this second.

00:17:26.000 And I felt like we haven't had that in a very long time.

00:17:29.000 And I'm very heartened by it.

00:17:30.000 And I actually think it will help politically.

00:17:32.000 I think that the right has a huge opportunity right now because the left is so uncool.

00:17:38.000 This is the first time in my life that the left has been so uncool.

00:17:41.000 They were always the cool crowd.

00:17:43.000 I grew up in LA.

00:17:44.000 The left were the coolest people.

00:17:44.000 It was undeniable.

00:17:46.000 They're the biggest dorks on the planet. 0.99

00:17:48.000 They're so hysterical. 1.00

00:17:50.000 They're so unlikable. 0.56

00:17:51.000 If you look at their Twitter feeds, you couldn't roast it, Charlie.

00:17:55.000 If we got together with five of your funniest friends and spent the whole weekend trying to parody what the left does on Twitter every day, we could never beat them. 0.60

00:18:02.000 They're that horrible.

00:18:03.000 And I think people are getting it to at least a small degree.

00:18:06.000 I see it coming through.

00:18:08.000 And I hope I'm right about it because it could be the beginning of something really beautiful if I am.

00:18:12.000 I think there's a lot of wisdom to what you just said.

00:18:15.000 I didn't know what to expect, but I expected a thoughtful, wise answer, which is exactly what I got, which is the left wants to turn everything to be political.

00:18:22.000 They want sports to be political.

00:18:23.000 They want what you eat to be political.

00:18:25.000 They want how you transport yourself to be political.

00:18:28.000 They want your children to be political.

00:18:30.000 And so your argument is that the more people get back to actually the human aspects of living away from just every single decision must be a political decision, that's actually going to hurt the left.

00:18:43.000 That's going to hurt their power struggle because basically they're going to say, well, aren't you guys participating hourly and minute by minute in the revolution?

00:18:51.000 And kind of someone says, you know, I didn't like Trump. 1.00

00:18:53.000 He was kind of a jerk, but no, actually, I'm going to go drive my fossil fuel car and go hunting. 1.00

00:18:59.000 Screw you. 1.00

00:19:03.000 And I think that brings people to our side, having a well-rounded life, having a family, having a faith. 0.92

00:19:08.000 I know you talk a lot about God on your show and your faith.

00:19:11.000 And that's very important.

00:19:14.000 It can't just be one note.

00:19:15.000 I think the one note stuff is a total killer long term politically.

00:19:20.000 And I think the right is getting that.

00:19:23.000 And that's my favorite.

00:19:24.000 Because you know, I'm an interviewer mostly, not an interviewee.

00:19:24.000 Can I ask you?

00:19:27.000 Can I ask you, what do you think is the best thing going on right now?

00:19:29.000 There's a couple of things.

00:19:30.000 And I try to keep our show optimistic and forward thinking.

00:19:34.000 It's so easy and so tempting just to focus on everything wrong that's happening.

00:19:37.000 We do plenty of that too.

00:19:38.000 And by the way, you have a great show too.

00:19:40.000 Everyone should listen to it.

00:19:41.000 The problem is I don't get up early enough on the West Coast.

00:19:43.000 It's six to nine Eastern every morning.

00:19:45.000 So it's really early.

00:19:48.000 It's three to six if you're on Pacific Time.

00:19:50.000 It's on SiriusXM.

00:19:51.000 Is it 124 or 128?

00:19:53.000 I can't remember.

00:19:53.000 125.

00:19:54.000 Yeah, the Patriot channel, but also on their app, you can get it as a podcast.

00:19:57.000 And we put up some clips at Breitbart.

00:19:59.000 So there's a few places to find it, but that's really good.

00:20:02.000 I think two things that are happening there are really positive.

00:20:04.000 Number one, I think that the differences between states has never been more dramatic.

00:20:09.000 And I mean it in a non-political way.

00:20:11.000 I'm just talking about livelihood.

00:20:12.000 I'm here in Florida.

00:20:13.000 I'm looking out my window and I see people without masks, their children.

00:20:16.000 I see something I have not seen in about a year, which is smiles.

00:20:20.000 People are smiling outside, which is a wonderful thing.

00:20:24.000 And I think that we're starting to see how different states that have made decisions politically, not contradicting what you're saying at all, actually leads to better and happier and more prosperous lives.

00:20:37.000 And they're able to exist that way.

00:20:38.000 No, I think they work together.

00:20:40.000 And in fact, just the word Florida would have been a perfectly good answer.

00:20:43.000 There you go.

00:20:44.000 Maybe if I take a mulligan, because I was down there for your conference in December, and I can't tell you how many friends are moving down there.

00:20:52.000 And it feels so logical.

00:20:54.000 Yeah, it's the, I think, and like very close friends.

00:20:58.000 I think my editor of my book is moving down there.

00:21:00.000 I think my sister's moving down there.

00:21:01.000 I mean, there's just so many people.

00:21:03.000 And I feel stupid because I can't do it yet.

00:21:05.000 I got ties to other places.

00:21:08.000 And it feels like, of course, everyone should be in Florida right now because it's working better.

00:21:13.000 People are happier.

00:21:14.000 People aren't as bummed out.

00:21:16.000 And people are understanding that a guy like DeSantis, who's the leader there, but it's really a whole culture, that you can be a strong conservative and get the job done.

00:21:26.000 You don't have to roll over the left.

00:21:28.000 You don't have to be this wishy-washy establishmentarian type.

00:21:31.000 You can paint in the bold colors that Reagan liked.

00:21:34.000 And that actually converts more people.

00:21:36.000 More people, it resonates with people.

00:21:39.000 Go ahead.

00:21:39.000 And we were talking about this earlier, which is that some people love Trump's style.

00:21:45.000 I know a lot of people that didn't like Trump's style.

00:21:47.000 However, DeSantis is proving that actually Trump's ideas and his agenda are 60 or 70% coalition building ideas.

00:21:55.000 If you really do isolate the style, which DeSantis doesn't have a unique style, I mean, he's pretty direct.

00:22:01.000 He says some funny things and he stands up for what's right.

00:22:03.000 And he's more combative with the press than I think other Republicans would be because of Trump.

00:22:08.000 But he allows his decisions to be the forefront of the news cycle of what he's doing, right?

00:22:13.000 And I'm not criticizing Trump in either way.

00:22:16.000 I think that there was a brilliance to what he was able to do to liberate the American conversation.

00:22:20.000 With that being said, I think at times we spent way more time focusing on a specific comma that might be missing from a tweet rather than actually the really interesting substantive policy.

00:22:30.000 And you and I spend a lot of time on that.

00:22:32.000 But I think DeSantis is actually proving, and this is why I'm so optimistic about it, that we're actually a much more conservative country than we give ourselves credit for.

00:22:38.000 I actually think we're far more likely to swing in that direction if we do a couple of things correctly in the next couple of years.

00:22:45.000 I think you're correct on this.

00:22:46.000 And I think we're going to see the people who are leading the party, the Republican Party of the next few years are going to be the people we're talking about.

00:22:53.000 But also a lot of the people who are emerging have a good sense of humor too, which I know DeSantis does, but he's super smart and he's super principled.

00:23:01.000 And that, to me, is just interesting.

00:23:04.000 And look, I love people and you don't have to be a genius for me to love you as an American citizen.

00:23:09.000 And there are a lot of people who are not superly, they're not intellectual heavyweights that do incredible, make incredible contributions.

00:23:16.000 But it is, you got to admit, it's exciting when there's a guy who is that high IQ and that bold who is running a major state like Florida.

00:23:25.000 It just doesn't happen that often.

00:23:27.000 You get a few guys like that.

00:23:28.000 Tom Cotton's like that.

00:23:29.000 There's a few guys out there who are like it.

00:23:31.000 But DeSantis got a unique set of gifts, which is it's fun to watch from my vantage point.

00:23:37.000 You just said it.

00:23:38.000 You said it perfectly.

00:23:38.000 High IQ, courage, big population, big stage.

00:23:43.000 That's a tough combination.

00:23:45.000 Very tough and fearless of the media because he's coached up.

00:23:48.000 He's coached up on the same, he's steeped on the same stuff you and I are, Charlie.

00:23:51.000 He's thinking about through the same stuff.

00:23:54.000 The thing is, he also uses his platform.

00:23:56.000 You know, he's getting the best experts.

00:23:58.000 When he's talking about COVID, he's not winning it.

00:24:01.000 He's, you know, he's briefed.

00:24:02.000 He's coached up on it.

00:24:03.000 Whereas Cuomo is briefed by MSNBC and CNN and his Dumbo brother, Fredo.

00:24:09.000 It's a, it's a, it's a, why?

00:24:13.000 How come no one talks about this?

00:24:14.000 And I do have a big section on this in the book, contrasting the media that treated everything DeSantis did like it was going to backfire.

00:24:20.000 None of it did.

00:24:21.000 And everything Cuomo did like it was going to go incredible.

00:24:23.000 And everything went a cattywampus on them.

00:24:26.000 And the media should be held to account.

00:24:28.000 Honestly, there should be a class action suit over the media's malpractice with regards to New York and what was happening there.

00:24:34.000 Well, and do you see the new metric that they're using for the meter on MSNBC?

00:24:38.000 I don't know if you saw this or not.

00:24:39.000 So prior, CNBC and MSNBC had daily infections, hospitalizations, deaths.

00:24:44.000 I don't know if you saw the new number they have on MSNBC.

00:24:47.000 People successfully vaccinated.

00:24:50.000 They've changed it from a negative metric to a potentially positive metric.

00:24:55.000 And it's just like almost immediately.

00:24:57.000 And this is the point why I say that bias is not enough.

00:24:57.000 Yeah.

00:25:01.000 It's not enough to say that it's biased.

00:25:05.000 This is about achieving goals.

00:25:07.000 And the goals are to empower the status quo, the powers that be, and to destroy the American individual, which has always been the biggest threat to the globalists and the conformists and the corporatists.

00:25:20.000 And this is what I'm trying to champion.

00:25:22.000 It's not an anti-free market thing.

00:25:23.000 I love the free market.

00:25:24.000 It's a, I believe it.

00:25:26.000 I live it.

00:25:27.000 This is a pro-individual narrative that I'm talking about.

00:25:30.000 It's about the American individual, the rugged individualism that makes us so unique.

00:25:35.000 It's about freedom of speech.

00:25:36.000 It's about freedom of will.

00:25:38.000 And this is what we got to get back to.

00:25:40.000 And I think we can do it.

00:25:41.000 And you look at Florida and that's what's happening.

00:25:44.000 I find myself when I debate privately or discuss with the Puritans on the free market side, which again, you and I have talked about this at length.

00:25:55.000 We grew up in that literature.

00:25:56.000 I have a lot of respect for that.

00:25:57.000 Love Milton Friedman.

00:25:58.000 Louvain von Mises was a brilliant guy.

00:26:00.000 Murray Rothbard.

00:26:02.000 And I find myself agreeing with almost everything they have to say on the price system, on how profits work.

00:26:09.000 And then I just ask some very simple questions, such as, do you think that a company that has 280 million active users should be treated exactly the same as the donut shop that is Sal's donut shop in Fort Lauderdale, Florida?

00:26:24.000 And he really is not going to, he's perfectly comfortable with that one donut shop.

00:26:29.000 And they say, yes, the law must apply equally to all people.

00:26:32.000 And I say, I completely, I agree with that as a soundbite.

00:26:36.000 I say, but that's just, that's a pretty foolish thing to implement on Musk to say that a company has 280 million users and AI technology and 29,000 people that are working around the clock in Menlo Park, all of which hate our country just on Google search, just on mind manipulation, that somehow Sal's donut shop is the same sort of existential threat to our freedoms and liberties.

00:26:57.000 And that's where you and I start to say, no, I want more people to be like Sal's Donut Shop.

00:27:01.000 I'm going to protect that sort of freedom.

00:27:03.000 But then also, I'm not going to treat Google, which obviously the company I'm talking about, to have the same, as if they have the same sort of daily incentive or ambition as Sal's Donut Shop.

00:27:14.000 Right.

00:27:15.000 And so I just want a free flow of ideas, a dialogue, which now, if you have a free flow of ideas and dialogue, you get thrown off of social media.

00:27:25.000 But we were checking in, Charlie, we spoke about this on your show six months or so ago, about how we looked at some of our traffic at Breitbart from Google on searches for Joe Biden and how it went from like 30,000 pages a day and like a million impressions a day or something like that to zero.

00:27:41.000 And it was early May, you know, right in the runoff of the election, cut it off.

00:27:46.000 No Joe Biden traffic for Breitbart whatsoever.

00:27:49.000 And I checked in on it yesterday, and it's still zero.

00:27:51.000 It's like they literally, you cannot get to a Breitbart story unless you type in a Joe Biden story, unless you type in the word Breitbart.

00:27:58.000 It will never show up generically.

00:28:00.000 If we break a story, if we have something exclusive, if we have Donald Trump giving us an exclusive quote about Joe Biden, that still will not show up unless you type in the word Breitbart.

00:28:09.000 And this is not the free market.

00:28:11.000 This is my manipulation.

00:28:12.000 And they're doing it in plain sight.

00:28:15.000 And that's why you talk about the Sal's Donut Shop, why it's so important.

00:28:19.000 That is not how Google is operating.

00:28:21.000 Google is sitting around and they're trying to convince you to have a certain viewpoint by what they feed you to read and to learn and to look at.

00:28:30.000 And once we understand that, then we can get a little more nuance in how we deal with it.

00:28:34.000 And we want to encourage people to get rich.

00:28:36.000 I'm all for it.

00:28:37.000 But it is a, it is now when they're in the mind control mode and they're doing it openly.

00:28:44.000 They're doing it openly.

00:28:45.000 You don't need to be a conspiracy theorist.

00:28:47.000 Why did Breitbart traffic go from 30,000 to zero for the search Joe Biden a day?

00:28:51.000 Was it just an accident that happened right before the election?

00:28:54.000 If it is, you're lying to yourself.

00:28:55.000 Well, it's also just economies of scale.

00:28:58.000 I mean, if we're really looping in, if we're going to have just a purely academic argument around the free market and we're going to compare the backbone of American business, which includes Breitbart.com with a couple hundred employees, to that of which is the combined GDP of all of Eastern Europe of $1 trillion.

00:29:19.000 I think that's a fun discussion for a 19-year-old that just got introduced to economics at Stanford.

00:29:25.000 I have no interest in governing our country just on pure idealism or soundbites.

00:29:30.000 And I say that as someone who understands and respects the literature as a general principle.

00:29:36.000 But if you act as if these are uncompromising edicts that we can never, ever violate, I think that that is a very dangerous thing.

00:29:44.000 Alex, I want to ask you something else.

00:29:47.000 I got kidding because it was too thought-provoking because I was thinking about this in the concept of now what if those people, those super governments, that's your word, I think, for the big tech.

00:30:01.000 What if now they have the exact same interests as the actual government?

00:30:06.000 And that's what we're seeing with Facebook and Google and with Mark Zuckerberg, with those drop boxes in Georgia, could have swung the whole state of Georgia.

00:30:14.000 It's a they benefited Democrats putting those drop boxes that he was paying for to get those cheap by meal ballots, to get them collected and counted in one of the most crucial swing states.

00:30:25.000 It's a they're working in concert together.

00:30:28.000 And we're supposed to think over the next four years, that's going to get better unless we start being very vocal about it, start making demands.

00:30:34.000 And here's another thing, Charlie, because you're a powerful guy.

00:30:36.000 We got to start building our own stuff.

00:30:38.000 And I know it sounds impossible, but we have to do it.

00:30:40.000 It sounds impossible.

00:30:42.000 But the idea that Amazon, which was selling a few books from the, you know, Jeff, Jeff Bezos' garage or whatever, is now so unfathomably big.

00:30:51.000 It's one of the biggest movie studios now in 20 years.

00:30:55.000 That sounds impossible too.

00:30:57.000 That has to be us.

00:30:58.000 It has to be us.

00:30:59.000 And we need that entrepreneurial spirit.

00:31:01.000 And I hope that's inspiring to your audience that it can be you, you listening out there.

00:31:05.000 You could be the one who does this.

00:31:08.000 That actually is a great segue to the next question I wanted to ask you.

00:31:12.000 But before we get to that, you had another, you triggered another thought that I wanted two things in particular.

00:31:17.000 Number one, to the super government piece.

00:31:19.000 And this is something I'm going to mention at my speech at CPAC.

00:31:22.000 I'm only talking about big tech.

00:31:23.000 And I am going to make, I'm going to make the argument: if you do not support breaking up the tech companies, you're a corporatist, not a conservative.

00:31:30.000 And I think that's the right place to say that.

00:31:32.000 Great, great framework.

00:31:33.000 Yeah.

00:31:33.000 And that, and I think that that's the place that we need to say it.

00:31:37.000 And then I just asked the question: who has more power?

00:31:40.000 The Kremlin or Google, and I make the, it's not even close.

00:31:44.000 I mean, it's not even close.

00:31:45.000 Now, I'm not asking who is more evil.

00:31:49.000 Yeah, that's a you, we could, I'm sure there's plenty.

00:31:53.000 That's a provocative question.

00:31:55.000 No, that's a truly provocative question.

00:31:57.000 Definitely pleading the pift on that one.

00:31:58.000 That's right.

00:32:00.000 And I would right.

00:32:01.000 So the point is who has more power, right?

00:32:04.000 And that's it.

00:32:05.000 And then you should ask, well, then, what is the preventative mechanisms from them abusing that power?

00:32:09.000 Anyway, I think that sort of conversation needs to happen.

00:32:12.000 But that's also to your point about building new stuff.

00:32:13.000 This is why I try to get every new social media app I sign up for.

00:32:17.000 I have our team do it.

00:32:18.000 You know, Dave Rubin's thing, rumble.com, Parlor, before they destroyed it, Death Star style.

00:32:24.000 I actually am maybe just call me an idealistic believer that maybe someone might figure this thing out and at least disrupt them a little bit.

00:32:31.000 So anyway, but I think that's a really good segue to the question I wanted to ask you, which is: so you said what is the best thing happening in America.

00:32:39.000 What do you think needs to happen that is not currently happening right now in order for us to accomplish our shared objectives of saving this country?

00:32:48.000 It's a great point.

00:32:49.000 I think that unfortunately the right is not focused on the right stuff.

00:32:54.000 This has been my biggest frustration, and it's very hard to articulate without coming off as a whiner.

00:32:58.000 But there was so much that was done to fix the 2020 election that was legal, that was done in plain sight.

00:33:06.000 And we spent a lot of time on voting machines and whether or not Mike Pence could single-handedly overturn an election.

00:33:12.000 And we didn't spend nearly enough time on the fact that all these voting rules were changed.

00:33:20.000 And you see these data, like in 2016, according to Ballotpedia, about 6% of mail-in votes to Georgia were ruled ineligible.

00:33:31.000 In 2020, 0.3%.

00:33:34.000 So why is that?

00:33:36.000 It was because the rules were changed for signature verification and they were signed off by Republicans.

00:33:42.000 That's the state of Georgia right there in a nutshell.

00:33:44.000 It was just given away by Republicans in the state.

00:33:47.000 Then we talk about big tech, how we talked about breaking up big tech.

00:33:50.000 And I give President Trump credit for threatening big tech, which, of course, Joe Biden is no threat to big tech.

00:33:57.000 But there needed to be more that was done.

00:33:59.000 There needed to be more people that take on the tech establishment to break them up, to bring antitrust, whatever it is.

00:34:06.000 That's a little outside of my expertise in terms of how to fix it.

00:34:10.000 But I can tell you right now that if you don't start turning over every leaf, looking at every option, free thought in America is going to be a fraction of what it was.

00:34:19.000 And here's my biggest warning on that for any Republicans that are listening who are in power.

00:34:26.000 If they keep shutting down the dialogue, and I know your platform, Charlie, I'm platform two.

00:34:32.000 It's a cancel culture is horrible.

00:34:33.000 It has not taken all of us off the playing field quite yet.

00:34:37.000 But what happens when they do take all of us off the playing field?

00:34:39.000 What does that look like for this country when there's no dialogue?

00:34:41.000 The alternative to no dialogue is not just the left wins all the time.

00:34:45.000 It's the right gets very angry and the country goes to a much darker place.

00:34:50.000 And again, I disavow all political violence.

00:34:52.000 I make that clear all the time when I'm with you.

00:34:54.000 But it's the, you don't want to do this.

00:34:56.000 Like you don't want to shut everyone's voice down.

00:34:58.000 That is wrong.

00:34:59.000 It's wrong morally.

00:35:01.000 And it's wrong in terms of statecraft.

00:35:03.000 It's wrong.

00:35:04.000 You can't run a nation state that way.

00:35:06.000 That's exactly right.

00:35:07.000 And I share your views of the condemnation of political violence.

00:35:11.000 And you and I both understand when you shut up an entire country or dialogue or discussion that people are going to resort to means that are regrettable for that society.

00:35:23.000 And that's just a very basic fact of human nature.

00:35:26.000 And it shouldn't shock or surprise anyone when that ends up happening.

00:35:29.000 So I want to ask you, though, Alex, so I hate to, I shouldn't say I hate to, but I we're focusing on Ron DeSantis. now getting his state to stand up to these big tech companies, which is a really promising trend.

00:35:40.000 Other states seem to be following.

00:35:42.000 Is that a positive development or is this just kind of more of a, is this more kind of just a box checking thing to say, I did something about it?

00:35:50.000 Is this a serious thing?

00:35:52.000 I'm generally a cup half full guy.

00:35:55.000 So my thought is people are playing with options.

00:35:58.000 I don't know if there's a clear path to success.

00:36:02.000 And even you and I, you know, we're into breaking up big tech.

00:36:05.000 But even that, what does that look like?

00:36:06.000 How is it broken up?

00:36:07.000 What's the process?

00:36:09.000 You know, how do you separate the various companies?

00:36:12.000 And you don't want to be entirely unfair because that's just, you know, you don't want to totally impose, you don't impose our will.

00:36:20.000 We want it to be a democratic diplomatic process too.

00:36:23.000 It's a, but we need to start looking at what the options are.

00:36:28.000 And I love to hear it.

00:36:29.000 And I love, so I don't know if it's going to work, but I'm optimistic that it's not box checking, that it's a genuine effort.

00:36:35.000 And it's going to come from the states, I think.

00:36:37.000 I think it's going to come from the states.

00:36:39.000 It's not going to come from the federal government at this point because we don't have time to wait for the federal government because Democrats certainly aren't going to help us.

00:36:46.000 And I do think some of the states is where it's going to be ground zero.

00:36:50.000 I mean, do you have any thoughts?

00:36:51.000 Because you probably thought about it more than I have.

00:36:53.000 Yeah, I think it's a promising development.

00:36:56.000 I read the DeSantis speech.

00:36:58.000 I actually read the transcript, which I thought he did a really good job of.

00:37:01.000 Texas followed suit similarly, where they said through the state legislature signed by the governor, they're going to fine these tech companies if they do not change their behavior, which I think is a really interesting idea.

00:37:12.000 I'm meeting with a bunch of attorney generals in Arizona next week about this.

00:37:17.000 And I'm just going to be really interested to pick their brain because I know that there has been Jeff Landry, for example, is terrific from Louisiana.

00:37:22.000 He's amazing.

00:37:23.000 And I know.

00:37:24.000 The action is great too.

00:37:26.000 The attorney generals are the tip of the spear here.

00:37:28.000 They really are trying their best to figure out what options they have at their disposal.

00:37:32.000 And to their credit, this is somewhat of an uncharted territory.

00:37:35.000 There's not a lot of precedent that can help them, but I think they really are.

00:37:39.000 They're trying their best.

00:37:40.000 So I am optimistic the states are doing something.

00:37:43.000 I really am.

00:37:44.000 Do I think it's enough?

00:37:45.000 Probably not.

00:37:46.000 But I think that your point to President Trump, I think President Trump highlighted this issue correctly.

00:37:51.000 Do I wish he would have done more?

00:37:53.000 Absolutely.

00:37:54.000 I wish he would have instructed the Federal Trade Commission, the Department of Justice Antitrust Division, on top of five or six other things he very well could have done to these tech companies that would have made their life very difficult.

00:38:05.000 Maybe they would have conformed and fixed some of their behavior, all the while also going after their monopolistic practices.

00:38:11.000 So with DeSantis's plan, which I went through at Breitbart really closely, and we have great reporting on it.

00:38:18.000 People want to kind of dig into the details.

00:38:21.000 A few of them that are probably worth highlighting is one of them is this mandatory opt-out for big tech content filters, which is something that we proposed at Breitbart, which means that you can opt out of the content you don't like.

00:38:35.000 It's not that the Facebook has to filter it for you.

00:38:38.000 It's that you can just choose, I don't want this content.

00:38:41.000 And that is the certain thing that where people actually get to choose your own adventure online.

00:38:46.000 And you don't have the powers to be telling you you can't have Breitbart.

00:38:50.000 If you want Breitbart, you can have Breitbart.

00:38:52.000 And if you want to choose to be super closed-minded, then you could choose not to have it.

00:38:56.000 That seems very rational.

00:38:57.000 And DeSantis wants that.

00:38:58.000 It's something that Breitbart, we've been lobbying for for like three years now at this point.

00:39:02.000 Other stuff in it is fines for locking out candidates for political reasons, transparency requirements around some of these decisions.

00:39:11.000 All of this stuff seems very straightforward.

00:39:14.000 And he's going to be using the attorney generals against, or his attorney general, I guess, against tech companies that violate some of these conditions.

00:39:24.000 And so he's making it so that they're going to have a big headache if they really feel like we need to start banning these people.

00:39:32.000 And it turns out it ends up just being politics in the end.

00:39:35.000 So, I like it.

00:39:36.000 I think it's a terrific place to start, and we got to start somewhere.

00:39:39.000 And this could be the place.

00:39:40.000 Just from a tactical viewpoint, I love the idea of playing offense.

00:39:44.000 And I love the idea of keeping the pressure on using Solinsky's rules for radicals.

00:39:48.000 This is actually the closest that we're actually getting to using their own rules against them because we're making the enemy live up to their own book of standards.

00:39:54.000 We're keeping the pressure on.

00:39:56.000 We are using a tactic that we actually enjoy, which is challenging the tech companies.

00:40:01.000 Something that you and I are actually excited to do.

00:40:04.000 So, I think it's brilliant in that sense.

00:40:06.000 Do I know what?

00:40:06.000 Do I think it's enough?

00:40:07.000 I don't really know.

00:40:08.000 So, in closing, Alex, final question here, and thank you for coming on.

00:40:12.000 It's breaking the news.

00:40:13.000 Check it out.

00:40:14.000 I can't wait to learn more about this.

00:40:16.000 What is one thing that you've learned recently that you think would be helpful if other people came to the same conclusion that you did?

00:40:23.000 What's one thing that you learned the last couple of months, last couple of weeks, where you said, Huh, I didn't know that, or I'm looking at something differently that I want more people to know?

00:40:30.000 Yeah, it's really a great question.

00:40:32.000 And some of it is I probably already already gave in the opening to this.

00:40:39.000 But I do think that the biggest thing going is on the right, where we prioritize our time has been my biggest frustration since November the 6th.

00:40:49.000 And there's a lot of people who will prioritize their time in a different way in service of a similar cause.

00:40:56.000 And we're falling in this trap where we're dismissing people who have ideas that are not passing a purity test.

00:41:06.000 Like, for example, I was always a skeptic that, you know, it was the Venezuelan voting machines in Frankfurt that was really what overturned the election because I thought it was, you know, Google and the new rules for the coronavirus that were obviously not based in science.

00:41:23.000 They were based in wanting to get Democrats elected with more mail-in ballots.

00:41:26.000 I've been banging that drum.

00:41:27.000 And then, when people saw that I wasn't on board with the talking all day about the big tech, you know, I'm sorry, the, you know, the flipping of the ballots, you know, people kind of mad at me and stuff.

00:41:37.000 And I was getting negative messages and negative phone calls and radio.

00:41:40.000 And I think that that's very, it's not a wise move on the right.

00:41:44.000 I think the right has a lot of opportunity to fix some of this stuff now before they throw us all off the internet and for Democrats get more power.

00:41:52.000 I think we're much more powerful than we think.

00:41:54.000 And if we can get on the same page on the right, I'm not talking about unifying with Joe Biden, who calls us all the empty semites and white supremacists.

00:42:03.000 But on the right, I can see a unity in the conservative movement.

00:42:07.000 It does seem like Trump's ideas prevailed.

00:42:09.000 His principles won the day.

00:42:12.000 People are pretty much in agreement now on big tech is a threat. 0.87

00:42:15.000 China is a threat. 1.00

00:42:16.000 Immigration is a threat. 0.97

00:42:17.000 NAFTA was terrible. 1.00

00:42:18.000 We were in too many wars.

00:42:20.000 There is almost total consensus on the right.

00:42:23.000 That provides an incredible opportunity.

00:42:25.000 And then we just spent the last three months fighting over Dominion voting machines.

00:42:29.000 It's such a waste.

00:42:31.000 And I wish we would stop it.

00:42:32.000 If we would stop it, we're probably going to dominate the next few elections.

00:42:35.000 I think that's a great point.

00:42:37.000 And the biggest thing that I learned the last couple months is the ability is how people want to believe something when they see that there's an injustice, which I think is the most interfered election in American history from the tech side, from the balloting side.

00:42:56.000 However, I was pushing back constantly in a different way of people that were emailing me saying that Mike Pence was in Gitmo.

00:43:02.000 I'm like, Mike Pence is not in Gitmo.

00:43:04.000 Okay.

00:43:04.000 And I think that that sort of deviation from reality was very destructive.

00:43:14.000 And I think that we need to, and by the way, that doesn't mean I've done more coverage on these topics than most, and you have too.

00:43:22.000 And we're unafraid to take it on.

00:43:23.000 We're not avoiding it.

00:43:24.000 At the same time, I refuse to add oxygen into something that I believe is pathologically untrue.

00:43:31.000 And again, the Frankfurt-Venezuelan thing, I'm a skeptic.

00:43:34.000 I don't know about that.

00:43:35.000 People, I get emails from people that believe firmly in that.

00:43:39.000 And I'm a skeptic.

00:43:42.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:43:43.000 And we covered every newsworthy detail of all that at Breitbart, but I, but we did do it skeptically.

00:43:49.000 We're not trying to keep the information from you guys.

00:43:51.000 Absolutely not.

00:43:51.000 We put it all out there.

00:43:53.000 The issue is that wasn't what swung the election.

00:43:57.000 What swung the election with the cheap by mail and the big tech manipulating what people read.

00:44:01.000 That was it.

00:44:02.000 If we fix those two things, if we come back to a system where people show up on election day with an ID and they vote, unless you're in the military and you absolutely cannot get to a polling place, if we restore that and we made it so that Zuckerberg and Bezos and the freaks over Google stop targeting people who disagree with them politically and Jack Billy Goat Dorsey, if we got those guys to start playing fair, it's over.

00:44:26.000 The right is going to start dominating for generations because we're coach up on the values.

00:44:31.000 As I said, we're all locked up on the values.

00:44:33.000 So now we got to get back on the playing field on those two issues.

00:44:35.000 That's my take.

00:44:37.000 I agree.

00:44:38.000 Trump was the great political liberator.

00:44:40.000 He has changed the Republican Party and politics for good.

00:44:43.000 And if we take a cue from all of a sudden courageous and popular and populist conservatives like Ron DeSantis, I think we win everything.

00:44:53.000 I think that the conservative movement is going to be dominant in five years and we are, and it's going to be unbelievable.

00:44:59.000 Okay, Breaking the News by Alex Marlow.

00:45:01.000 Alex, you must come back.

00:45:02.000 Thank you so much for joining us.

00:45:04.000 And everybody, if you guys show us your subscribe to the Charlie Kirk show, email us, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:45:11.000 We might send you a signed copy of Alex's book as soon as it comes out with all this very specific and interesting developments that he's uncovered.

00:45:21.000 So make sure you do that.

00:45:22.000 Alex, thanks so much.

00:45:23.000 Charlie, you're a swell guy.

00:45:24.000 I appreciate it.

00:45:25.000 I appreciate your whole team.

00:45:26.000 Thank you.

00:45:27.000 Speak to you soon, Alex.

The Charlie Kirk Show - February 24, 2021

Exposing the Enemy of the American People with Breitbart's Alex Marlow

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