00:00:43.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:03:16.000So it's the so here's what she's done.
00:03:20.000She inherited all of her wealth from her late husband, Steve Jobs, who is a bona fide American success story and genius.
00:03:28.000Invented Apple, and then he took a hiatus from Apple and invented Pixar, which people sometimes don't forget.
00:03:34.000That's like the second line on his epitaph is the biggest animation studio, which makes pretty great movies, a lot of family-friendly movies, by the way.
00:05:48.000We were really seeing the results of the Abraham Accords.
00:05:50.000We were seeing the Middle East in the most peaceful place in my entire lifetime.
00:05:56.000And at this specific moment, they launched this attack on Trump, totally fake.
00:06:01.000And then we need to spend four days debunking it.
00:06:03.000And in the eyes of some people, it was never debunked completely because they don't read any outlet that's going to push back on the story.
00:06:10.000So, and the cascade of what happened when this story came out, it comes out at night, good news cycle for Trump.
00:06:17.000The following morning, the Democrats already have an ad that is cut, that plays on Morning Joe, slamming Trump for calling troops suckers and losers.
00:06:26.000Obama repeated it all the way up to Election Day.
00:06:28.000So this was used to attack Trump over and over again, to distract the public from what's going on in this country.
00:06:34.000And then that afternoon, Biden team has a press conference.
00:07:59.000There's no pattern because there's no standards in journalism at this time, which is another one of the themes of the books.
00:08:04.000We've thrown out everything that's remotely close to a journalistic standard.
00:08:08.000But then she funds the left-wing media, ProPublica, Mother Jones.
00:08:12.000You guys have probably heard of these places.
00:08:13.000They're left-wing, but they do some good work, but they are activists.
00:08:18.000But then she funds this thing called acronym.
00:08:20.000An acronym controls something called the Courier Newsroom.
00:08:23.000The Courier Newsroom is one of the most repulsive things in American journalism right now.
00:08:27.000It is literal propaganda, and it is gussied up to look like real news stories that go into local news outlets and on Facebook in particular.
00:09:12.000That's what we call it in the Breitbart headquarters these days.
00:09:15.000And that's a millennial focus, viral, but they all push the same candidates, often at the same times.
00:09:21.000They all push the same heroes and villains all at the same time.
00:09:24.000And there's one woman at the top, $20 billion anonymous, making this massive influence in information play because you can use these outlets to investigate your opponents too.
00:09:33.000But she's making a huge influence play.
00:10:54.000And so what you really uncovered here is this idea, I think, you pulled back what I think is so important of this idea of consent to the governed.
00:11:05.000We're being governed by people we didn't vote for, that we don't know who they are.
00:11:10.000We have no way to really check and balance them.
00:11:13.000So the American system is the greatest system ever created, especially when you talk about massive amounts of land and different types of people and different religions.
00:11:22.000It's a really unprecedented experiment.
00:11:24.000And one of the reasons it's worked is because there's always been a check and a balance, an independent judiciary.
00:11:32.000We have to give you permission to do something very big and dramatic and bold.
00:11:36.000And really what Alex uncovered here is arguably the most important thing.
00:12:46.000Okay, so now let's add something else, which is even if you can get past, which I'm not saying you can, but even if you can get past that she is funding the candidates and the outlets that are supposed to cover those candidates.
00:13:00.000And not to mention she's made, I think I counted 700 donations to Democrats over the last six to seven years.
00:13:33.000So do you think that any of these outlets are going to, I don't know, seek out the origins of the coronavirus pandemic that was unleashed on the country?
00:13:42.000Do you think they're going to show any remote interest in that?
00:15:02.000And I'm not sensing that 100% from the right right now.
00:15:06.000And I want to actually pick that apart because I totally agree.
00:15:09.000And I really want to talk about where the conservative movement is going.
00:15:12.000I'm less interested in Republican versus Democrat of any time in my life.
00:15:16.000I don't know if you guys feel the same.
00:15:18.000And we at Turning Point are obviously a nonprofit, so we focus strictly on education and culture.
00:15:23.000And I actually think that's what matters most.
00:15:24.000I think that they're going to take the orders from citizens that actually understand why we're here, how this system's supposed to work, more so than just Republicans good and Democrats bad, because I think we can see in states like this that it doesn't always matter what party you're affiliated with.
00:15:39.000Anyway, and I also think to that point, there's a lot of people who are in the independent left who agree with almost everything I've just said so far.
00:15:46.000It'd say they're not, they still want Democrats to win more than Republicans, I think, in the end, but they're very concerned about the corporate and China influence over American news at the moment.
00:15:57.000And I'm waiting for them to actually say that.
00:16:00.000They might think that, but vocalizing it would be something else.
00:16:03.000So, Alex, I grew up in a conservative movement where there was a book written by a certain New Yorker reporter called Dark Money.
00:16:11.000And they were really worried about corporate influence and rich people having too much sort of sway over American politics.
00:16:17.000Remember the demonization of the Koch brothers and all of that.
00:16:21.000What you're articulating here is far more sophisticated, way more ambitious, not even close to trying to pander, and quite honestly, in some way, bizarrely ideological.
00:16:35.000It might be to keep the Chinese interests, but it's almost as if I don't care if I lose money as long as more people believe what I want them to believe.
00:16:45.000You've identified one of the main themes that comes through throughout the book is for these newsrooms, they're all part of these conglomerates that are so big that the goal is not to make money.
00:16:58.000The goal is to protect the bigger interests of the corporations that they're part of.
00:17:04.000If NBC News takes a little hit, who cares?
00:18:16.000But Alex, I want you to unpack this: how the journalists of our country, the profit motive, and the desire to be famous motive used to drive really good journalism in our country.
00:18:31.000So it used to be newsrooms that were like, you know what, I want to get the story before the Washington Post.
00:18:36.000I want to get the story before the New York Times.
00:18:38.000I want to get the story before ABC News.
00:18:40.000I want to get the story before NBC News.
00:18:42.000And we actually saw some form, and you've all seen the movie All the President's Men, when Woodward and Bron Bernstein, Bernstein and Woodward, they still go on television.
00:18:53.000They haven't done an honest slick of anything for the country since Nixon, and they've just rode that forever, right?
00:19:00.000Where they believed what some would have considered a conspiracy theory at the time.
00:19:04.000And all the institutional papers were like, you know what, we're not going to run this story.
00:19:09.000And the Washington Post, I believe it's the Washington Post, was actually a little bit more of a fledgling paper at the time.
00:19:14.000They were not a top-tier paper, but they're like, you know what?
00:19:18.000If we stand by our reporters and we're right, we will now be a top-tier paper.
00:19:22.000And it changed their subscriber base forever.
00:19:24.000What you're saying, Alex, is they're no longer driven by the grittiness of Woodward and Bernstein.
00:19:29.000They're now driven by an ideological agenda.
00:19:34.000And the decisions in terms of what's the best for the bottom line are not just taking place with these people you see popping up on Twitter and on cable news.
00:19:42.000They're the boardrooms, and the boardrooms are going to make sure the interests are protected.
00:19:47.000You know, you've got, I mentioned ABC and NBC and all of these places, just huge conglomerates that are part of it.
00:19:54.000The Atlantic is one small piece of Lorene Powell Jobs' portfolio.
00:19:59.000But to your point, Charlie, this is where at Breitbart, we got our start with two major stories, and both of them the media told us we could not report.
00:20:09.000The first was the Acorn Scoop with James O'Keefe.
00:20:28.000But James O'Keefe comes into Andrew's office, and I was his junior, junior, junior assistant at the time, literally working in Andrew's basement.
00:20:34.000And he says, I've got these tapes of this group, Acorn, the Association for Community Organizing and Reform Now.
00:20:41.000And I went around and impersonated a prostitute and a pimp.
00:21:16.000They were going to be in charge of taking the census in certain areas.
00:21:20.000And when the story came out, everyone said it was fake news, that it's not true.
00:21:24.000And Andrew Breitbart was a liar, and Andrew Breitbart was deceptively editing the tapes, and James O'Keefe wasn't a real journalist.
00:21:29.000And when the dust settled, Andrew and James, of course, had the last laugh.
00:21:33.000But even people in Andrew's corner, even Andrew's friends were doubting his strategy.
00:21:37.000And what he did is he originated the drip, drip, drip method, where you first bait the media by putting out one piece of evidence, and then the media will announce the evidence is fake, and then you drop the second piece of evidence.
00:21:50.000And then they say, well, that's fake too.
00:23:00.000It was just a reckless guy who's a perv doing what reckless pervs do online, which is tweet pictures of their junk they're not supposed to to the wrong people.
00:23:08.000I mean, it just, we've seen it time and again since.
00:24:27.000It used to be the people who were willing to put their neck out there to search for something that others were not looking for and then ride it, even when people who are their friends are saying that maybe you shouldn't be doing this.
00:26:43.000And so, as you all know, right before the 2016 election, there was what was called the October surprise when James Comey came out and issued a letter.
00:26:55.000You guys might remember this, that changed the news cycle saying that there was evidence to show that Hillary Clinton might have had something to do with the illegal deletion of emails.
00:27:54.000So they grab this uh, this hard drive, Anthony Wiener's hard drive, and the Bureau doing their job, which was actually a nice thing to talk about.
00:28:05.000Um goes through and they realize that, unrelated to the Anthony Weiner investigation, they have Hillary Clinton data in this hard drive and this database amazing because of Hillary Clinton and her friendship with Huma Abedin, right.
00:28:21.000And so then, all of a sudden, James Coley gets this presented to him and releases the letter that very well might have turned the 2016 election towards Donald Trump, and the only reason they were able to get the raid on Anthony Weiner and get a judge to sign off on it was because a man by the name of Andrew Breitbart broke the story against Anthony Weiner, and that's how Andrew Breitbart changed the course of history, by one act of journalism.
00:28:46.000It's so cool and I have a theme throughout the book.
00:28:49.000Uh, those of you who've read it will will know that I that all roads lead back to Breitbart, and it's just amazing that i've got to witness so much of this stuff.
00:28:57.000We really were at the tip of the spear of the so many elements of the culture war, and it's just great to see a lot of people take the lessons of Andrew but more have to, which is what uh, another great service I can do now that i've got uh more.
00:29:08.000I've been platformed more since the book came out.
00:29:25.000The jocularity meaning having a great time, make it fun have, enjoy yourself while you're uh making life difficult for the left and when the time is right, you got to fight hard and don't give an inch and i'm pretty mild-mannered personally and I still never give an inch and you can do that.
00:29:42.000You don't have to always be pugilistic and you know going up to Antifa and putting your your face into their face and them hitting you with a, you know, a frozen bottle of urine or whatever they do the the even though, by the way, those people who do it are heroes and we should be a a grateful for those journalists who are doing that on the right.
00:30:00.000But, that said, you don't have to be that person.
00:30:02.000You can be a mild mannered person and still be a principal conservative who sticks to your guns and does not give into the left which was one of his biggest mottos, which I think he got from Rush, I think but that the left will never compromise with you, and this cannot be said enough.
00:30:17.000They are not looking to compromise, they're on a search and destroy mission and the book, I think, provides at least a thousand examples of that being.
00:30:23.000And he gives Rush credit for that, because Andrew was a liberal until he started listening to the Clarence Thomas hearings and Rush right, he was listening to Rush in Los Angeles.
00:30:46.000You might, from some of you might remember that they went hard after Rush in 93 94, 95 and there This famous 60 Minutes interview where they did with Rush, and they said, Are you going to apologize for calling women feminazis?
00:31:01.000And it was, you know, and it went all over the place.
00:31:05.000And of course, I'm paraphrasing, but it was all of a sudden it sent a signal to the rest of the conservative movement of the Neville Chamberlain Republicans to not sue for peace.
00:31:14.000No, we can stand behind that and Andrew learn from that.
00:31:17.000So, Alex, what I want to ask you, which is a direction I think Andrew would appreciate, is the type of liberals I grew up with and the type of liberals you grew up with.
00:31:25.000And a lot of you will, I think, this will resonate with a lot of you.
00:31:28.000For some of the younger people out there, you might not be able to see this the same way.
00:31:39.000They were the ones that used to scream in the streets about not having their children being vaccinated.
00:31:44.000They were the ones that used to say they hate the mega corporations.
00:31:48.000They were the ones that said, let us go live in the hills and let us go live our own life.
00:31:52.000And that was kind of the liberal left that I grew up with.
00:31:58.000I don't agree with them, obviously, but there was kind of this kind of part that we were always kind of some sort of admiration to the Dennis Kucinich liberals or to the people that were willing to chain themselves to the sequoia tree when they're, you know, when they were just trying to put in a shopping mall.
00:32:15.000I want to go live a normal way of life and screw you, big corporations, and I don't care what it's going to cost me.
00:32:21.000But now it seems that, and this is why I think what's happening in American politics is so unsustainable and why conservatives are about to see a massive positive movement in our direction if we do a couple things, is because liberals have now become the protectors of corporate power, which at their very definition is at odds with everything they're supposed to believe.
00:32:48.000If it accomplishes one thing, I hope it is that this book sells a billion copies.
00:32:54.000If it accomplishes two things, I hope that it resets people's take on the fact that corporations are not just on the left, but they're working openly against the American best, America's best interests.
00:33:09.000And they have been totally co-opted by not just the left, the globalist left, the left that is left, unless, of course, their business interests in China, and then all of a sudden they're corporatists for a while.
00:33:20.000And this is a very dangerous ideology, and it is one that does not have a ample opposition to it at this point, at this time.
00:33:28.000And you're identifying something that is so profound to me, having been a UC Berkeley graduate.
00:33:33.000And I went there during the Bush years, and I was told constantly that the real problems in America were the corporations.
00:33:42.000Only it was Exxon and it was Halliburton.
00:33:45.000These were the corporations that were ruining the world.
00:33:47.000And why would we all want to be corporate sellouts?
00:33:50.000Well, all of a sudden, as the millennials who grew up on a steady diet of leftism and secularism, let's not forget the secularism, and that America is not a uniquely great place and that America is not particularly exceptional.
00:34:04.000Now they're working their ways up to the corporations now.
00:34:06.000And they're in there and they've been told their whole life that the ideal is to essentially become a part of a great corporation.
00:34:17.000It's not to start a family and have kids and commune with nature and commune with our founding documents and to worship God.
00:34:23.000It's the whole point of the world, not to be a pillar of your community.
00:34:27.000It's to be a part of a great corporation.
00:34:30.000And how much time you can spend starting your own Facebook or joining your own Facebook if you can't start it or being a part of Apple or Google.
00:35:33.000Luckily, Tucker's putting it that way.
00:35:34.000There's a few others who are out there, but very few people are doing it.
00:35:37.000Well, not only that, the corporations are telling young women to go freeze their eggs.
00:35:41.000Like, oh, you could put that on hold and you can now go work for be some cog in a machine and go be totally miserable for 10 years of your life and complain about everything.
00:35:49.000But here's how they've convinced them to do it, is that the same people that used to go join the Peace Corps are now going to go work for Google because they're convinced that Google is a vehicle for massive social change.
00:36:00.000How many of you remember people that used to go work in the Peace Corps, right?
00:36:16.000Like, if you have talent, you can go earn $200,000 a year and go kick Charlie Kirk and Alex Marlow off YouTube, and we're going to save the world together.
00:36:25.000And I actually think there's a fault line in this, though.
00:36:28.000I think that this is about to crack and break for a lot of different reasons.
00:36:33.000And look, we actually hate corporations for completely different reasons than why they hate them.
00:36:44.000They tend to not like the profit motive.
00:36:46.000We obviously are critics of the excesses of individualism, but we hate corporations largely because they hate our country and hate our values.
00:36:53.000And we also hate them because they have amassed such economic power and they don't pay their workers well.
00:36:59.000And they are willing to act more like a government and they don't actually have a duty or responsibility to their fellow countrymen.
00:37:05.000But I think that this kind of rebellion against the top 100 companies in our country, I think it's already coming.
00:37:14.000I think that it is something that is going to manifest itself in a way that is truly profound.
00:37:20.000Do you think that what Lorene Powell Jobs is doing is the spirit of our founding fathers and democracy and one person, one-day, do you think with her behind the scenes on her yacht somewhere?
00:37:31.000It's a gorgeous yacht, by the way, the only male got photos of it.
00:37:39.000And do you think what she's doing with her secretly using her inherited wealth, which you talked about, which you talked about brilliantly on your radio show about how that's probably a big factor that, you know, she inherits all this wealth.
00:37:51.000Do you think what she's doing is the spirit of this country?
00:38:30.000But if I could just say one thing about the Lorraine Powell Jobs, what I mentioned on the podcast, which is I think that the greatest driver in American politics, I just talked to Tucker about this and it's going to air sometime soon, is I think it's Americans' inability to deal with guilt.
00:38:46.000And we as Christians have a way to deal with guilt.
00:38:49.000When you do something wrong, we actually have the mechanics to be able to deal with that, whether it be taking the Eucharist or talking to that person, asking for forgiveness from your creator.
00:38:59.000When you secularize a society, how do you deal with guilt?
00:39:03.000Well, you go give a bunch of money away to activist causes because maybe that will make you feel a little less terrible for your white skin color.
00:39:11.000And then you feel guilty for things you shouldn't even feel guilty about.
00:39:14.000And so the entire pressure on our American political system right now and in our country is a bunch of people that have a lot of stuff and they can't quite explain why they have that stuff.
00:39:26.000And so they try to reconcile that with this feeling of guilt that is pressed upon them by the rest of society by funding incredibly destructive activist causes, purchasing the Atlantic.
00:39:38.000And I think that's exactly Lorene Powell Jobs.
00:39:40.000So she's the ultimate example of unearned wealth.
00:39:44.000Now, a lot of people have unearned wealth.
00:39:46.000A lot of you in this room, myself included, had some unearned advantage.
00:39:50.000If you grew up in a home by parents, you didn't earn that.
00:40:13.000And she got a disproportionate outcome for marrying well.
00:40:18.000So she doesn't know how to deal with this money.
00:40:19.000So she sits in a room with her accountants and they say, well, you're worth $20 billion.
00:40:24.000And she thinks to herself, well, that was just basically given to me.
00:40:28.000She never had to reflect back on the firing she had to make.
00:40:32.000She never had to reflect back on Steve Jobs feeling sick to him to his stomach being kicked out of his own company.
00:40:37.000She never had to reflect back on changing a product before a product launch.
00:40:42.000What I'm saying is she had no skin in the game in that money.
00:40:44.000So therefore, she's, I'm not saying it should be illegal.
00:40:46.000I'm just making a simple ethical argument of why she acts this way, where all of a sudden she has a $20 billion parachute and there's no memory of why she has it.
00:40:57.000Where if you talk to any other entrepreneur, it's like you talk to her husband, he'd say, oh, no, no, no.
00:42:35.000It's because I know YouTube is going to, it's going to get, if I have a level of success, YouTube is going to take a dial and they're going to turn it down because YouTube's Google.
00:42:43.000And I see what Google does to Breitbart.
00:42:45.000Breitbart's traffic from Google to Joe Biden stories got erased literally to zero.
00:42:51.000May of last year, they literally flipped the switch and said no more Joe Biden content to Breitbart, period, from Google, unless you add the word Breitbart in it.
00:43:01.000And this is something that the tech, the tech giants are doing.
00:43:03.000We don't know who's doing it, but we do know that they're all worth incalculable amounts of money.
00:43:07.000And that money is getting spread around Democrat candidates, left-wing causes.
00:43:11.000Mark Zuckerberg is the poster boy of this with his election integrity effort, which was a big head fake.
00:44:33.000And the issue with tech is that we used to have really rich people in our country that actually loved their country.
00:44:43.000Andrew Carnegie and Mellon and Rockefeller and Chase, they loved America and they invested heavily in America.
00:44:51.000And so they invested in hospitals or veterans rehabilitation centers or libraries.
00:44:58.000And they were obviously challenged by Teddy Roosevelt, which I actually think was a very good thing.
00:45:02.000Some people disagree with me, but I'll make an argument that it actually prevented a Leninist-style revolution from taking hold because we were close to having one that kind of had a little mini progressive movement that still had a lot of damage through Woodrow Wilson.
00:45:16.000But there was a legitimate Marxist movement brewing in America in the late 1800s, early 1900s.
00:45:23.000And Teddy Roosevelt kind of moderated that.
00:45:25.000And that's a contrarian view of some people in conservative circles.
00:45:30.000What makes it different, though, is you know how you now have the richest people in our country that really have no such loyalty to the country.
00:45:56.000He wanted to make money, obviously, and he took a daring risk and made a lot of money.
00:46:00.000And there were some things done, obviously, in the construction of the railroad that were probably less than ethical by today's labor standards.
00:46:07.000But his drive in his own private journals, and that's him talking to himself, is that this will make America an industrial superpower.
00:46:13.000So, Charlie, I'm going to do something that I often do when I'm getting interviewed because I host a radio show, by the way, on Breitbart News Daily on SiriusXM Patriot 125.
00:46:22.000It's a little early for you guys, 3 a.m.
00:46:24.000So, so, but it's on podcast if you get the SiriusXM app.
00:46:28.000But I'm normally in the interviewer chair.
00:46:31.000So, I'm going to switch it around to you.
00:46:35.000When did we go from the people who maybe they didn't vote the same all the time, but they at least got that America was this incredible experiment that needs to be preserved.
00:46:44.000And now we get that America is, what's Hillary Clinton's ultimate goal?
00:46:54.000In fact, our founding documents, if you want to believe critical race theory, they're horrible because a bunch of whites came up with them.
00:47:00.000It's the answer will be maybe not expected by some people, but I think this all changed right when the Soviet Union fell.
00:47:10.000And Russell Kirk predicted this, of which I have no relation.
00:47:13.000He said, America's not going to know how to deal with themselves once the Soviet Union falls.
00:47:18.000And his prediction was basically down to the day correct.
00:47:22.000You guys remember in the 80s, it's the only thing that kept the conservative movement together.
00:47:26.000Libertarians played nicely with conservatives and neocons.
00:47:29.000Everyone agreed Soviet Union's got to go.
00:47:31.000And Ronald Reagan made it a theological debate.
00:47:34.000He said that we get our rights from God.
00:47:41.000And so then the Soviet Union falls and H.W. Bush was president.
00:47:45.000And so then what kind of came was this moment of, and it really was never described like this by historians, but it was almost like, well, now we can kind of indulge in the pleasure of being the world's superpower.
00:47:58.000So we then started to look at America and the corporate class, which then, of course, Bezos and Gates were a disciple of, as a colony, not as a country.
00:48:09.000We passed Mass Immigration Act with Ted Kennedy to bring 1.3 million legally into our country every single year.
00:48:14.0001.3 million people legally into our country, which of course was a handout to the Chamber of Commerce and to left-wingers that wanted to see cheaper votes.
00:48:22.000Well, then what did happen a couple years after that?
00:48:24.000Well, we ratified NAFTA, a massive free trade agreement that deindustrialized our country and had a sort of hemispheric sort of equilibrium.
00:48:36.000And then, of course, in 1999, I call this, by the way, the four horsemen in the 1990s when baby boomers betrayed America, just so we're clear, right?
00:48:43.000Where baby boomers in the corporate class decided to put their own corporate profits first and not their country first and did the opposite of what Dwight D. Eisenhower would have done.
00:49:22.000We tripled the amount of legal immigrants we brought into America that had no sort of language assimilation, cultural assimilation.
00:49:29.000And then we also repealed all of our banking laws to have cheap money flow through our country.
00:49:34.000So what happened, Alex, was that Bezos and Gates and Sergey Brin, they're all students.
00:49:40.000They grew up looking at that as the way you run a company.
00:49:44.000And that was a lot because we didn't have the Soviet Union as a hedge.
00:49:48.000You see, during the 70s and 80s, there was an anchor being like, well, maybe we shouldn't bring in 1.3 million people into our country because then what if all of a sudden we lose our advantage in that national assimilation because Soviet Union is going to take us over?
00:50:04.000And I know this is a weird argument for some people to hear, but the Soviet Union was actually the sword of Damocles over America that was like, no, we can't do these awful things or else we won't be able to compete against the Soviets.
00:50:15.000As soon as they got taken off the chessboard, it was like, hey, party time, bring in the immigrants, cheap labor, tons of plastic, cheap money, China, the World Trade Organization.
00:50:34.000And we've got this connection with the book because the media does not take this seriously at all.
00:50:38.000In fact, they love being cooperative with China on all manner of things.
00:50:43.000They don't care that China is the least free place in the world for journalists.
00:50:48.000You virtually don't get any news out of China that isn't filtered through their propaganda administration, which I investigate thoroughly in the book.
00:50:55.000And then you've got in the pandemic, the only major nation that had their GDP go up, they grew.
00:51:46.000I think the secularization of America played a lot into this.
00:51:50.000I also think that there is this very slow moving of the framework of what it means to be a model citizen, where the ultimate value of being an American was not acting ethically and having a lot of children and being to your church.
00:52:04.000But slowly, it was almost like a slow motion move where all of a sudden it was like, who has the on a plastic?
00:52:11.000And that's never been what made our country exceptional.
00:52:15.000And that's kind of what was sold to us.
00:52:16.000It's like, no, I got more plastic than you do.
00:52:20.000It's like, no, actually, our country was the most prosperous country ever because we had some non-negotiables, which was like, hey, we actually care more about whether or not we're having children in our country than we have self-storage units full of stuff we never wear and we have no attachment to.
00:52:35.000So I want to get to some questions because they're easier.
00:52:38.000Because I know the motto here at Turning Point is big gov sucks.
00:52:50.000This is where I think you and I together can make a point here, particularly for young people, is you can love capitalism without loving corporatism.
00:52:58.000You can love capitalism and not believe your identity should be some part of one of these major conglomerates.
00:53:07.000And you can love capitalism without loving materialism.
00:54:08.000It's a Supreme Court decision called Packingham versus North Carolina.
00:54:13.000Is there a show of hands of anybody that's ever heard of that?
00:54:18.000Okay, that is a 2017 opinion, a unanimous opinion by the U.S. Supreme Court.
00:54:26.000And in it, it mentions specifically Facebook and Twitter.
00:54:31.000And it defines how freedom of speech is going to be protected moving forward.
00:54:39.000And so you aptly mentioned the word deplatformed and the YouTube algorithm.
00:54:48.000Packingham says that their platforms are the public square.
00:54:55.000And speech is protected in the public square.
00:54:59.000Not only your right to speak it, but my right to listen to you say it.
00:55:04.000And so this, it's, if I read it correctly, this is the end of Section 230.
00:55:13.000Well, so then my question is, being unfamiliar with the case, though, I would not be shocked if we covered it at Breitbart.
00:55:21.000My question is, then, how do we bridge the gap?
00:55:24.000Because clearly, culturally, these platforms are doing whatever they want, and no one is holding them accountable, left, right, or center in Washington, regardless of what the letter of the law says, which is my whole beef with big tech in general, which is the letter of the law is that, sure, they can, so long as the laws are where they are right now, they can censor whoever they want until the laws are reformed.
00:55:46.000But is that the spirit of the First Amendment?
00:55:48.000Is that the spirit of free speech that you, all these guys, Mark Zuckerberg, with his weird haircut, gets to just choose?
00:55:57.000The answer to your question is in the 14th Amendment, the equal protection clause and the due process section of the Constitution.
00:56:04.000It says nobody can take away your fundamental liberties without due process of law and equal protection.
00:56:11.000So if they're deplatforming or shadow banning you, they got to be doing the same thing to everybody else.
00:56:16.000And due process means you get to your day in court.
00:56:20.000And so you get to make your case before something that resembles a fair tribunal and then get justice on a case-by-case basis.
00:56:30.000So the enforcement mechanism is in the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.
00:56:35.000And that's what was passed, by the way.
00:56:37.000So here's the thing, though, is that I'm a journalist and a talk show host.
00:56:58.000But why don't the Marshall Blackburns and the Haggerty's and the Tom Cottons and the people who get this stuff, why haven't they done anything yet?
00:57:05.000Because the legal profession, there's people within the legal profession that know what I'm talking about, but they can't say anything because of the coercive control of how they're regulated by the state bar.
00:57:22.000Everybody from Ruth Bader Ginsburg to Clarence Thomas unanimously said, and names specifically, Facebook and Twitter, their platforms are the public square where speech is protected.
00:58:04.000Okay, I don't think there's any question about how important it would be for conservatives to have our own social media platforms.
00:58:14.000And there's been some talk that Trump was going to start one, and there's some other people.
00:58:20.000Even if we don't have a prominent politician to actually fund it and start it, there are enough of them out there.
00:58:28.000I think that it might be incumbent on us if we could just get a group of leaders, pundits, maybe a few politicians, some journalists to all get together and say, this is the social media platforms that we're going to migrate to, and we're all going to do it on one day.
00:58:51.000So Breitbart's very powerful on social media, but Charlie is arguably the biggest guy on social media on the right.
01:00:10.000So my thoughts are, I'm an all-the-above guy.
01:00:12.000I am a breakup big tech, reform antitrust laws to put pressure on big tech, amend section 230 so that places that have 100 million users or whatever aren't allowed to just censor willy-nilly based on politics.
01:00:44.000It's got to be all the above, and it's got to be a robust effort.
01:00:46.000And I really do think that the conservative donor class has to get involved on this too, that they have to understand that the culture wars now are being fought in these social media platforms, like it or not.
01:01:18.000Well, and I'll just add to that as well.
01:01:21.000There is a, and I just, I just, we're pretty good at kind of seeing the next move.
01:01:27.000There is five years from now, if we keep this pressure on, considering the first two questions in line, we're about big tech here tonight.
01:01:34.000I'm confident there's going to be a change.
01:01:36.000There's 75 million or more of us that are displeased with this current corporate oligarchy.
01:01:42.000And you just saw Peter Thiel put some money into Rumble, which is a great sign because that's an institutional investor that picked Facebook early.
01:01:51.000And so, but I think the real fight, and this is what I would have loved to see the state of Arizona do, but whatever Arizona is doing right now, I don't know.
01:01:59.000That's a different form for a different time.
01:02:02.000Come to Freedom Square at Dream City Church this coming Tuesday because we're going to talk about that because it's all Arizona.
01:02:08.000That's kind of our Arizona night, right?
01:02:10.000Because we're going to have a lot to say, everybody, about Arizona because I'm not happy about that, is the states need to be going after these tech companies big time.
01:03:09.000Money, Something, and Credit is his most famous book.
01:03:12.000And I love the monetary theory stuff, though.
01:03:15.000The one thing that he got the best was how our money supply is used and abused by corrupt people to try to declare wars and deteriorate purchasing power.
01:03:25.000You'll lose me on immigration and libertarianism, but I appreciate the enthusiasm for wanting to crush the Federal Reserve.
01:04:54.000This is another one of those questions where it's a fundamental, and I feel like the waters are so muddied right now that it's very hard to rein this stuff in.
01:05:01.000I've been spending out a lot of time in California, which actually had a budget surplus last year because while many Americans were told to stay home, big tech was just working from home, making more money than they've ever made.
01:05:13.000And so the tax revenue was huge in California.
01:05:17.000He's doing a vaccine lottery where he's paying the citizens with their own money to get the experimental vaccine, which is like, he's paying them with their money.
01:05:28.000Like, look, they will give you some of your money back if you just get this vaccine.
01:05:34.000Are people really lacking information on the vaccine at this point?
01:05:37.000I think people have made up their mind.
01:05:38.000I think people have made intelligent decisions on the vaccine.
01:05:44.000Charlie, was California a slave state?
01:05:48.000In fact, if anyone should pay reparations, it should be Mexico, because a lot of Mexican military was actually occupying most of California before the Catholic missions basically used to be California.
01:06:15.000So on the journalist kind of accreditation or more broadly?
01:06:18.000Just in general, his point about the licenses.
01:06:24.000I think the point is actually a really good one because you feel as if these people have so much power.
01:06:29.000And why is it you need a license to cut hair but not to destroy someone's life through writing a story?
01:06:33.000And I think that's actually the good intention.
01:06:36.000I agree with Alex wholeheartedly, which is there is something exciting and I think moral and good about anyone being able to be a journalist, right?
01:06:46.000That you could just pull up your smartphone and be able to ask questions of Lorraine Powell Jobs next time any of you see her at the local yacht club.
01:06:55.000There's something that's actually really exciting about that.
01:06:58.000With that being said, I don't think it would be a good idea.
01:07:01.000I do think, though, that there should be, and this is the way that you can kind of circumvent it, which is what's happened in the right to work states, which is you have a private licensing organization of a quality of a carpenter or a plumber.
01:07:15.000So it doesn't need to be government mandated, but it's like, no, this person is a blue chip reporter and people will know what that means and you'll only talk to them.
01:07:24.000This is already happening naturally, where Alex and I, there are certain reporters we will not talk to, and we've already delicensed them.
01:07:31.000There's no need for that to be done through some government agency.
01:07:38.000And, like, you might as well matter if you have a license or not.
01:07:41.000And I think that's actually part of what Alex does in this book is kind of exposing people of who to look at, who to trust, and who not to trust.
01:07:49.000Yeah, unfortunately, this is definitely a lesser of evils decision.
01:07:52.000It's the put the licenses in place, and we all rejoice until the licensees or the people in charge of giving the licenses are compromised, which will happen.
01:08:03.000Or we just do it now, which is kind of not great, but is potentially better so long as we keep empowering those independent, those independent, conservative, and not even conservative by the way.
01:08:14.000There's a lot of great reporting coming out of independent people on the left who are willing to stand up.
01:08:20.000It's the person who is probably quoted most frequently in the book.
01:08:24.000I don't know if he is in the final draft.
01:08:25.000And the first draft was Glenn Greenwald, a guy who I disagree with on probably more than half the stuff, but the guy has integrity and he is very open about what he believes, where he's coming from, and he brings the heat.
01:09:42.000And most of them, most of the doctors in the family are getting the vaccine.
01:09:46.000And I'll tell you that those who, not everyone, most of them, and I'll tell you to a number, they will tell you they should not be mandated.
01:09:58.000They're working miraculously well, it appears, but it is not on the government to mandate it for something where young, healthy people are surviving.
01:10:05.000And it is in the pandemic is already winding down.
01:10:10.000We know enough of the patterns, and we don't know that much about the vaccine that you have to force people to do it.
01:10:17.000But I want to talk to you about the audits because I get a lot of my audit information from you guys and your guy and your guy Tyler who checks in.
01:10:28.000It's because we're constantly battling kind of other forces that want to shut it down.
01:10:33.000So I'm going to tell you what we do on our podcast, and I encourage you guys to check in on it because we're super careful and disciplined.
01:10:39.000And the reason we don't do daily is because I never want to do hopium.
01:10:43.000I can't stand hopium, which is hope and opium mixed together, things that sound good, that make you feel good, but they're not true.
01:11:06.000We could speculate, we can ask questions, but I could tell you this, that how quickly, how much they're trying to shut down this audit, there is going to be something that's discovered here.
01:11:15.000Now, what that means and what that gets unfolded, we don't know.
01:11:19.000But I think that this is going to continue to progress.
01:11:22.000And I think other states need to continue with the audit.
01:11:24.000But here's the problem: I don't want to get people's hopes up that there's going to be some reversal or someone get put into office.
01:11:42.000Why the governor of this state vetoed 22 voter integrity bills yesterday is beyond unacceptable to me.
01:11:50.000And I have a whole chapter on this in the book, and it's pretty complicated.
01:11:53.000And I'm kind of relieved we didn't get into it because it's really hard to talk about an off-the-cut forum.
01:11:57.000But I meticulously went state by state in many of the key swing states, and I went through exactly where things went wrong in terms of voter integrity.
01:12:07.000And if you're looking for the spy thriller, Dominion was bought, was created by Hugo Chavez and bought by the Chinese and put in Frankfurt and they were flipping votes, you're going to be very disappointed.
01:12:17.000But I did find, I did find infinite, infinite amounts of impropriety that needs to be examined by any responsible American, not just Republicans.
01:12:28.000Any responsible American should be very curious about this stuff because it is a very dangerous game we're playing if our people lose faith in our elections.
01:12:36.000And we've had a couple in a row now where each side thinks that this was not legit.
01:13:02.000I think it's going to be around voter rolls, ballot practices, mass mail and balloting, signature requirements, ballot custody, how votes are counted, who counts them.
01:13:12.000Those seven things I just said, I think we need to zero in on.
01:13:17.000And where I think that it's a little bit more uncertain, there could be some truth there.
01:14:15.000And I sat in a meeting with President Trump in July of last year where Tyler told me, he's like, we're going to have problems with mail and voting.
01:14:23.000And Tyler's the national committee man here in Arizona.
01:16:10.000It's such an arbitrary number, and it's a number set by people who want to have the maximum amount of time to community organize the vote and to get all these people who, alive or dead, to vote early and vote often.
01:16:21.000Well, and let me tell you where this is going.
01:16:33.000Because of technology, they're going to go to direct democracy, which means they're going to go to smartphones where citizens vote on ballot referendums and circumvent electors.
01:16:42.000So what I'm saying is they're going to have you vote on bills happening in front of Congress on your smartphone.
01:17:35.000He went up to Seattle after going to Walter Cronkite for four years, and he's turned to the dark side.
01:17:41.000So my question is just, it's going to be generic to wrap it up.
01:17:46.000During your time at Berkeley or even prior to that or even after that, what would you say was your major turning point in life?
01:17:57.000What was a time you had to sacrifice something you may have wanted to do with your heart or with your mind, but your heart was putting you elsewhere, you know?
01:18:11.000And for me, it was pretty easy transition.
01:18:15.000And the hardest stuff for me in my life has just been because of how Breitbart is, everyone's always just come at us with pickaxes and torches and not the tiki torches from Bed Bath and Beyond that the Charlottesville guys were using.
01:18:42.000No, but for me, my evolution as a conservative started with talk radio, as it did for so many people.
01:18:48.000I was very open-minded and had open-minded parents who were conservative, but they didn't indoctrinate me.
01:18:54.000They just had talk radio on, and I just found talk radio, Larry Elder and Dennis Prager and Rush and Michael Savage and Hannity, and all these guys were so good, and they were so smart, and they had so many arguments, Laura Ingram.
01:19:05.000And these are the people who were on in the car for me while I was driving around, and I just found them so unbelievable.
01:19:10.000And by the way, many of those people have shown incredible support for the book, which is a really thrill for me.
01:19:16.000And I've been in the business for 15 years.
01:19:18.000It's still exciting when those people take an interest because they're so smart and they're so culturally savvy.
01:19:45.000But the hardest stuff for me was I was a baseball player growing up and I wanted to play baseball.
01:19:52.000And when the Division I offers didn't come through from high school, which was a huge disappointment for me, and I got into Berkeley on academics, the biggest decision of my life was saying to some schools that were not Division I schools, I don't want to play baseball for you.
01:20:06.000I'm going to go to Berkeley and I'm going to live amongst the institutional left.
01:20:10.000I'm going to go there and I'm going to see what they got.
01:20:33.000And I'm going to come out totally educated.
01:20:36.000And because of that, I think I can take, I think that's helped me be very effective in my role at Breitbart is that I understand who the opposition is ideologically.
01:21:17.000It's entertainment less so these days because entertainment classes really embarrass themselves so much that they're just kind of used for us to poke fun at them for being stupid.
01:21:26.000But these were the people who are guiding the culture.
01:21:29.000And I've been very blessed to live and work amongst them, which I think really helps us stay sharp and move on our toes at Breitbart.
01:21:35.000So I would say the biggest thing, saying goodbye to baseball and saying yes to Berkeley for sure.
01:21:40.000That was the turning point for me when I really got into this.
01:21:48.000I'll take pictures if anyone wants to do that really quick.
01:21:50.000And we'll just, if you guys want, if you care about getting critical race theory out of Arizona, Chandler, Arizona, Chandler Unified School Districts, June 9th, 6.30 p.m.
01:22:02.000They're trying to push critical race theory through Chandler.
01:22:05.000And so just want to make sure you guys are all aware of that.
01:22:08.000And it just so happens we have Freedom Square the night before.