The Charlie Kirk Show - Exposing the Evil of the Activist Media with Breitbart Editor-In-Chief Alex Marlow

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00:00:22.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:00:56.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:58.000 How are we doing?

00:00:59.000 Great to see all of you.

00:01:01.000 And Alex, welcome to Turning Point.

00:01:02.000 I'm thrilled to be here, Charlie.

00:01:03.000 A beautiful setup you have.

00:01:04.000 You're so impressive.

00:01:05.000 Congratulations to everyone who's a part of it.

00:01:07.000 Well, the team worked very hard on this, and everyone who's watching online has to get their copy of Alex's new book, Breaking the News.

00:01:15.000 And you all get a chance to have Alex sign it.

00:01:17.000 It's terrific.

00:01:18.000 Congratulations.

00:01:19.000 Thank you.

00:01:19.000 New York Times bestseller, which I'm sure.

00:01:21.000 Is that official now today?

00:01:22.000 Yeah, as of last week.

00:01:23.000 But that was a, I would have loved him in a fly on the wall in the room there in New York Times.

00:01:27.000 What do we have to put the Breitbart guy on here?

00:01:30.000 He sold so many of these books, but we hate that guy.

00:01:33.000 There's literally a whole chapter in the book about how horrible the New York Times is.

00:01:36.000 So that is a thrill.

00:01:40.000 I don't need their approval, as you know.

00:01:41.000 You don't need their approval either, but it is fun to troll them with an entire book.

00:01:44.000 What number on the list were you?

00:01:46.000 13, which is a good nine or 10 lower than I would have thought if they just went off of sales.

00:01:51.000 And it's this awful formula that they use.

00:01:53.000 Yeah, the formula is if you're a conservative.

00:01:55.000 That's exactly right.

00:01:56.000 You don't get off.

00:01:57.000 That's right.

00:01:57.000 Unless you sell one bajillion copies.

00:01:59.000 But luckily, thanks to all of you great people.

00:02:00.000 I guess I sold enough.

00:02:02.000 But that's good.

00:02:03.000 You did very well.

00:02:03.000 And it's hard to write a book.

00:02:05.000 What's amazing about this book, and you'll enjoy it, is the research that went into it.

00:02:09.000 There's actually breaking news within this book.

00:02:11.000 And I want to talk about this and kind of see where it leads us, Alex.

00:02:15.000 But there is some big news that you kind of tease the world with.

00:02:17.000 I'll never forget.

00:02:18.000 I was at an event in Palm Beach, and one of our board members comes up to me.

00:02:21.000 I think I told you this story.

00:02:23.000 And he says, Charlie, listening to Alex Marlowe and he said that there's a new George Soros.

00:02:29.000 Who is it?

00:02:30.000 I said, Alex won't even tell me who it is.

00:02:31.000 Well, now we know who it is.

00:02:32.000 Yeah.

00:02:33.000 Who is the new George Soros?

00:02:34.000 It's a woman named Lorene Powell Jobs.

00:02:37.000 And she could pronounce it Loren or Lauren, but I don't care.

00:02:42.000 It's spelled Lorene.

00:02:43.000 And there's a reason why we don't know how to even pronounce her name. 0.99

00:02:45.000 It's because she's operating in the shadows, even though she's one of the most powerful people in American culture. 1.00

00:02:51.000 She's a dominant force in American culture.

00:02:53.000 And this is utterly serious.

00:02:56.000 And it's always kind of somewhat fun to, when a new villain announces themselves in conservative America.

00:03:02.000 But it is not a joke what she's doing.

00:03:04.000 Not a joke, as our current president might say, what she's doing.

00:03:10.000 Come on, folks.

00:03:12.000 They were already in a malarkey mode.

00:03:14.000 We've been here for 30 seconds.

00:03:16.000 So it's the so here's what she's done.

00:03:20.000 She inherited all of her wealth from her late husband, Steve Jobs, who is a bona fide American success story and genius.

00:03:28.000 Invented Apple, and then he took a hiatus from Apple and invented Pixar, which people sometimes don't forget.

00:03:34.000 That's like the second line on his epitaph is the biggest animation studio, which makes pretty great movies, a lot of family-friendly movies, by the way.

00:03:41.000 It used to be good. 0.98

00:03:42.000 Fair enough, but garbage. 0.98

00:03:44.000 Fair enough. 0.98

00:03:46.000 But that's bad news because I have kids now.

00:03:47.000 So it was when all the cartoons were good.

00:03:49.000 I was in my 20s.

00:03:52.000 So she inherited something like $10 billion.

00:03:55.000 Maybe it's 20.

00:03:56.000 We don't really know.

00:03:57.000 It's part of the pattern they're going to see.

00:03:59.000 And she sets up this trust for herself.

00:04:02.000 And the trust includes something she calls the Emerson Collective, named after Ralph Waldo Emerson.

00:04:08.000 And with this, she staffs at this huge organization, Sprawling Financial Philanthropy slash investing.

00:04:15.000 If that sounds confusing, that's the point.

00:04:17.000 This is the whole point. 1.00

00:04:18.000 And what she does there is she buys up these media outlets. 0.98

00:04:21.000 The biggest name is probably the Atlantic.

00:04:24.000 You guys might recall The Atlantic. 0.99

00:04:25.000 They were the ones who pushed that suckers and losers lie. 0.95

00:04:27.000 Do you remember that? 0.99

00:04:28.000 This is the single fakest news of the 2020 election was the lie the Atlantic pushed, that Trump had called dead troops suckers and losers. 0.90

00:04:37.000 Do you guys recall that one? 0.97

00:04:39.000 Unbelievably bad.

00:04:40.000 And we wrote about it extensively at the time at Breitbart.

00:04:43.000 And Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor-in-chief, wrote the story not with any caveats, not reporting, not allegedly.

00:04:50.000 It was written as a fact.

00:04:51.000 Trump said that.

00:04:53.000 And his evidence was four anonymous sources.

00:04:57.000 Okay, not a single person on record.

00:04:59.000 And we at Breitbart track down maybe 10 on record sources, at least eight or nine, who said flat out, I will sign my name to it.

00:05:07.000 This never happened.

00:05:08.000 And of those people, some of them were Trump haters.

00:05:11.000 John Bolton, John Kelly, people did not want Trump to succeed, still said that's a bridge too far.

00:05:17.000 He didn't call dead Americans who sacrificed their life for this great country. 0.99

00:05:21.000 He didn't call them suckers and losers. 0.92

00:05:23.000 And what's more, Trump refused to go to a cemetery to honor them allegedly because it was going to mess up his coffee, his hair. 0.99

00:05:31.000 This was sold to the public by the head of the Atlantic.

00:05:35.000 What's not mentioned that much about this story?

00:05:38.000 It was actually about a year and a half old.

00:05:41.000 And it was time specifically about a month before the election when Trump was actually having a good news cycle.

00:05:46.000 Jobs numbers were coming in.

00:05:48.000 We were really seeing the results of the Abraham Accords.

00:05:50.000 We were seeing the Middle East in the most peaceful place in my entire lifetime.

00:05:56.000 And at this specific moment, they launched this attack on Trump, totally fake.

00:06:01.000 And then we need to spend four days debunking it.

00:06:03.000 And in the eyes of some people, it was never debunked completely because they don't read any outlet that's going to push back on the story.

00:06:10.000 So, and the cascade of what happened when this story came out, it comes out at night, good news cycle for Trump. 0.98

00:06:17.000 The following morning, the Democrats already have an ad that is cut, that plays on Morning Joe, slamming Trump for calling troops suckers and losers. 0.97

00:06:26.000 Obama repeated it all the way up to Election Day. 0.96

00:06:28.000 So this was used to attack Trump over and over again, to distract the public from what's going on in this country.

00:06:34.000 And then that afternoon, Biden team has a press conference.

00:06:38.000 Who gets the first question?

00:06:40.000 The Atlantic gets the first question. 0.94

00:06:42.000 Imagine that.

00:06:43.000 They get the first question just like that.

00:06:45.000 And what did they ask?

00:06:46.000 They ask for the Biden team to evaluate Trump's soul.

00:06:51.000 How could Trump, look into Trump's soul? 1.00

00:06:54.000 How could a man say that our dead troops are suckers and losers? 1.00

00:06:58.000 It's the sanctimoniousness, of course, makes you want to wretch. 0.99

00:07:02.000 But it is distracting the world from good news that Trump had going.

00:07:06.000 Not to mention there's huge vaccine progress by that point.

00:07:08.000 And now what are we talking about?

00:07:09.000 We're talking about a fake story from 2018.

00:07:12.000 All came from the Atlantic.

00:07:14.000 That's just one of Lorene Powell Jobs' outlets.

00:07:17.000 He also has Axios, another one which poses as sort of a credible Beltway blog of some sort insider Beltway stuff.

00:07:24.000 But there's always a subtext, and that subtext is big corporations good and Orange Man bad.

00:07:30.000 I mean, that's sort of the subtext of what a lot of Axios is all about.

00:07:34.000 And they got a lot of scoops because they had, I guess, convinced some people that they were more neutral than they are.

00:07:39.000 But they were weaponized, I believe, against Trump.

00:07:43.000 And I think that the reporting bears it out.

00:07:45.000 What's really interesting is these outlets all report on each other, and they rarely ever disclose it.

00:07:49.000 And I looked at like a dozen examples of Axios reporting on other Lorene Powell Jobs publications.

00:07:55.000 And like half the time they mention it, and then most half the time they don't.

00:07:59.000 It's very odd.

00:07:59.000 There's no pattern because there's no standards in journalism at this time, which is another one of the themes of the books.

00:08:04.000 We've thrown out everything that's remotely close to a journalistic standard. 0.88

00:08:08.000 But then she funds the left-wing media, ProPublica, Mother Jones.

00:08:12.000 You guys have probably heard of these places.

00:08:13.000 They're left-wing, but they do some good work, but they are activists. 0.88

00:08:18.000 But then she funds this thing called acronym. 0.98

00:08:20.000 An acronym controls something called the Courier Newsroom.

00:08:23.000 The Courier Newsroom is one of the most repulsive things in American journalism right now.

00:08:27.000 It is literal propaganda, and it is gussied up to look like real news stories that go into local news outlets and on Facebook in particular.

00:08:37.000 And it is designed to mislead.

00:08:39.000 It is literal fake news.

00:08:41.000 It is Democrat talking points laundered through what appears to be local news.

00:08:45.000 It's not, but it appears to be local news to confuse people and to think these Democrat talking points are actually real life.

00:08:51.000 They're not real life.

00:08:52.000 They're fake. 0.97

00:08:53.000 And she does all this stuff.

00:08:56.000 In the meantime, all of these outlets, oh, now this.

00:08:59.000 I forgot one of my favorites, which is...

00:09:00.000 That's the one most young people here.

00:09:02.000 Yes.

00:09:03.000 Students.

00:09:03.000 You guys see now this on Snapchat or Facebook, the now this stuff.

00:09:07.000 They have a whole embed.

00:09:08.000 It's all funded by Lorraine Powell Jobs.

00:09:10.000 It's a Lorraine Powell Jobs joint.

00:09:12.000 That's what we call it in the Breitbart headquarters these days. 0.75

00:09:15.000 And that's a millennial focus, viral, but they all push the same candidates, often at the same times.

00:09:21.000 They all push the same heroes and villains all at the same time.

00:09:24.000 And there's one woman at the top, $20 billion anonymous, making this massive influence in information play because you can use these outlets to investigate your opponents too. 1.00

00:09:33.000 But she's making a huge influence play. 1.00

00:09:35.000 No one knows who she is. 1.00

00:09:36.000 No one knows.

00:09:37.000 Did you guys know her name?

00:09:38.000 Any of you?

00:09:39.000 Raise your hand if you'd heard of Lorene Powell Jobs before the book.

00:09:42.000 I'm getting about four out of 200.

00:09:43.000 Okay.

00:09:44.000 So there's the math.

00:09:45.000 So 2%.

00:09:46.000 And this is from a super informed audience.

00:09:48.000 So this is what she's doing this.

00:09:51.000 And then you read these articles about Kamala Harris, who's her close personal friend.

00:09:56.000 Kamala Harris, close personal friend.

00:09:59.000 Kamala Harris got no delegates, I think.

00:10:01.000 Can someone look that up?

00:10:03.000 I should look this up.

00:10:03.000 How many delegates?

00:10:04.000 She ran for president for 10 months. 1.00

00:10:05.000 How many delegates did she get? 0.99

00:10:07.000 I think zero. 0.91

00:10:08.000 So she was an insanely unlikable candidate. 1.00

00:10:10.000 She ends up as vice president. 1.00

00:10:12.000 Okay? 0.97

00:10:14.000 Odd, a little odd, someone so wildly unpopular.

00:10:18.000 Well, could it have been returning a favor for some people?

00:10:21.000 I'm not saying just Lorraine Powell Jobs. 0.98

00:10:23.000 I'm not saying that she handpicked the vice president. 0.88

00:10:25.000 I'm just saying that this is how party politics works.

00:10:28.000 But now party politics isn't just party politics.

00:10:32.000 It's media politics.

00:10:33.000 It is the establishment media that is now directly connected to the Democrats.

00:10:38.000 And this will be what we talk about, I'm sure, throughout the next hour and beyond, because we're going to do QA.

00:10:44.000 And that's not a trust the plan code.

00:10:47.000 Okay.

00:10:47.000 When I say Q ⁇ A, I'm talking about questions.

00:10:51.000 You got to be careful these days.

00:10:53.000 You never know, Alex.

00:10:54.000 And so what you really uncovered here is this idea, I think, you pulled back what I think is so important of this idea of consent to the governed.

00:11:05.000 We're being governed by people we didn't vote for, that we don't know who they are.

00:11:10.000 We have no way to really check and balance them.

00:11:13.000 So the American system is the greatest system ever created, especially when you talk about massive amounts of land and different types of people and different religions.

00:11:22.000 It's a really unprecedented experiment.

00:11:24.000 And one of the reasons it's worked is because there's always been a check and a balance, an independent judiciary.

00:11:32.000 We have to give you permission to do something very big and dramatic and bold.

00:11:36.000 And really what Alex uncovered here is arguably the most important thing.

00:11:42.000 And you can make an argument.

00:11:43.000 There's more important things.

00:11:44.000 But really, if you control the lines of communication, you can control almost everything else.

00:11:48.000 It's not just functionally, it's not just functioning incorrectly.

00:11:53.000 It's now rigged against that American system where you now have a $20 billion woman who most people don't even know who she exists.

00:12:00.000 And I even got the guess wrong.

00:12:01.000 I tried to get this out of Alex.

00:12:03.000 I got to say, this guy is the most disciplined author I've ever dealt with.

00:12:06.000 I must have texted him.

00:12:07.000 Who is it, Alex?

00:12:08.000 Who is the new George Soros?

00:12:09.000 Nope, wouldn't tell me.

00:12:11.000 That she is now really able to kind of call shots in what information you are able to understand.

00:12:18.000 I want to just reinforce one other point.

00:12:19.000 Axios, Atlantic.

00:12:22.000 Do you know what else they also have very close relationships with?

00:12:25.000 Apple News.

00:12:27.000 How many of you guys get Apple News notifications?

00:12:30.000 I can't turn it off.

00:12:31.000 Literally, maybe one of you young people can help me.

00:12:33.000 I can't turn it off.

00:12:34.000 But let's think. 0.99

00:12:35.000 Now, why would Lorraine Powell jobs have a relationship with Apple News? 1.00

00:12:42.000 Huh.

00:12:44.000 That one's beyond me, Alex.

00:12:46.000 Okay, so now let's add something else, which is even if you can get past, which I'm not saying you can, but even if you can get past that she is funding the candidates and the outlets that are supposed to cover those candidates.

00:13:00.000 And not to mention she's made, I think I counted 700 donations to Democrats over the last six to seven years.

00:13:06.000 And then I stopped counting.

00:13:08.000 Okay, we get to tens of millions. 0.99

00:13:10.000 She loves Democrats. 1.00

00:13:11.000 So she's funding the Democrats and the outlets that are supposed to cover them. 1.00

00:13:14.000 But where's she making her money? 0.95

00:13:16.000 Does Apple only make money in the United States of America? 1.00

00:13:22.000 Pretty sure they make a lot of money in China.

00:13:24.000 How about Disney?

00:13:26.000 Pixar is Disney now, right?

00:13:28.000 So just so you guys know, she's the second largest shareholder in Disney.

00:13:32.000 Okay.

00:13:33.000 So do you think that any of these outlets are going to, I don't know, seek out the origins of the coronavirus pandemic that was unleashed on the country?

00:13:42.000 Do you think they're going to show any remote interest in that?

00:13:46.000 Best case scenario, they ignore it.

00:13:48.000 Worst case scenario, when they see a narrative that makes Trump the bad guy and China neutral, maybe they did good.

00:13:54.000 Maybe China even beat the pandemic.

00:13:56.000 And we accept their propaganda talking points that they haven't had a death since May of last year.

00:14:00.000 Maybe they just accept that, as is the case with outlets like Bloomberg and other places.

00:14:05.000 They're just flat out New York Times did it too.

00:14:07.000 They beat it.

00:14:07.000 China beat the pandemic.

00:14:09.000 How do they know? 0.81

00:14:09.000 They haven't been over to Wuhan. 0.81

00:14:13.000 They know because everyone around them is telling them, don't mess up the business with China.

00:14:18.000 And as far as I know, this is the thing that I hate the most about the book. 0.90

00:14:22.000 Almost everything I uncover is at this time legal.

00:14:25.000 What Lorene Powell Jobs does is legal. 1.00

00:14:27.000 I could not find one illegal thing that she is doing. 0.71

00:14:30.000 I'm not saying that she isn't doing something illegal, but this to me is why the Republicans need to get focused too.

00:14:36.000 And you cannot give away seats.

00:14:38.000 You cannot give away opportunities.

00:14:40.000 And they need to be working hard right now.

00:14:41.000 This is not a time to take off.

00:14:43.000 This is a time to do what the Democrats did after 2016, which is they made protesting the new brunch.

00:14:49.000 Instead of going to brunch on Sundays, they would protest Trump.

00:14:51.000 What were they protesting?

00:14:52.000 I don't know.

00:14:53.000 He woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

00:14:54.000 Yeah, it's a, he tied his shoes wrong.

00:14:57.000 He, you know, slid down a ramp or something.

00:14:59.000 Let's protest.

00:15:00.000 It doesn't matter.

00:15:01.000 They were engaged.

00:15:02.000 And I'm not sensing that 100% from the right right now.

00:15:06.000 And I want to actually pick that apart because I totally agree.

00:15:09.000 And I really want to talk about where the conservative movement is going.

00:15:12.000 I'm less interested in Republican versus Democrat of any time in my life.

00:15:16.000 I don't know if you guys feel the same.

00:15:18.000 And we at Turning Point are obviously a nonprofit, so we focus strictly on education and culture.

00:15:23.000 And I actually think that's what matters most.

00:15:24.000 I think that they're going to take the orders from citizens that actually understand why we're here, how this system's supposed to work, more so than just Republicans good and Democrats bad, because I think we can see in states like this that it doesn't always matter what party you're affiliated with.

00:15:39.000 Anyway, and I also think to that point, there's a lot of people who are in the independent left who agree with almost everything I've just said so far.

00:15:46.000 It'd say they're not, they still want Democrats to win more than Republicans, I think, in the end, but they're very concerned about the corporate and China influence over American news at the moment.

00:15:56.000 I agree.

00:15:57.000 And I'm waiting for them to actually say that.

00:16:00.000 They might think that, but vocalizing it would be something else.

00:16:03.000 So, Alex, I grew up in a conservative movement where there was a book written by a certain New Yorker reporter called Dark Money.

00:16:11.000 And they were really worried about corporate influence and rich people having too much sort of sway over American politics.

00:16:17.000 Remember the demonization of the Koch brothers and all of that.

00:16:21.000 What you're articulating here is far more sophisticated, way more ambitious, not even close to trying to pander, and quite honestly, in some way, bizarrely ideological.

00:16:32.000 It's almost like what is her agenda?

00:16:35.000 It might be to keep the Chinese interests, but it's almost as if I don't care if I lose money as long as more people believe what I want them to believe.

00:16:45.000 You've identified one of the main themes that comes through throughout the book is for these newsrooms, they're all part of these conglomerates that are so big that the goal is not to make money.

00:16:58.000 The goal is to protect the bigger interests of the corporations that they're part of.

00:17:04.000 If NBC News takes a little hit, who cares?

00:17:07.000 NBC is part of NBC Comcast Universal.

00:17:09.000 So long as they're not messing up the business interests in China, is that one major newsroom that is not going to look deep into China?

00:17:16.000 Then Universal Pictures, which opens up fast and furious, coming right.

00:17:19.000 John Cena, isn't it weird now how we're in this age where the most muscle-bound guys are the biggest weenies?

00:17:26.000 It's so odd.

00:17:27.000 He does nothing but lift iron over his head for a living and get hit over the head with a folding chair. 0.83

00:17:32.000 And he's the biggest weeness. 0.99

00:17:36.000 What a weakling. 0.98

00:17:36.000 I mean, I could just play that video on a loop. 0.98

00:17:38.000 I don't know if you guys saw that, but he said something.

00:17:40.000 I think he called Taiwan, it's a country, which it is.

00:17:44.000 I think it was even less, I think he said they were like a people or anything. 0.99

00:17:49.000 You're probably right.

00:17:50.000 It was so vanilla.

00:17:52.000 And he went on this long apology in Mandarin saying, how dare I call Taiwan a country?

00:17:58.000 And if you know your Chinese politics, you're not allowed to even say anything slightly positive about Taiwan.

00:18:04.000 By the way, that's going to be the new frontier is Taiwanese sovereignty.

00:18:08.000 That's going to be a huge issue, but that's a different issue for different people.

00:18:10.000 And John Cena is so brave, so brave to just immediately bend over for the Chinese. 1.00

00:18:15.000 Unbelievable. 1.00

00:18:16.000 But Alex, I want you to unpack this: how the journalists of our country, the profit motive, and the desire to be famous motive used to drive really good journalism in our country.

00:18:31.000 So it used to be newsrooms that were like, you know what, I want to get the story before the Washington Post.

00:18:36.000 I want to get the story before the New York Times.

00:18:38.000 I want to get the story before ABC News.

00:18:40.000 I want to get the story before NBC News.

00:18:42.000 And we actually saw some form, and you've all seen the movie All the President's Men, when Woodward and Bron Bernstein, Bernstein and Woodward, they still go on television.

00:18:53.000 They haven't done an honest slick of anything for the country since Nixon, and they've just rode that forever, right?

00:19:00.000 Where they believed what some would have considered a conspiracy theory at the time.

00:19:04.000 And all the institutional papers were like, you know what, we're not going to run this story.

00:19:09.000 And the Washington Post, I believe it's the Washington Post, was actually a little bit more of a fledgling paper at the time.

00:19:14.000 They were not a top-tier paper, but they're like, you know what?

00:19:18.000 If we stand by our reporters and we're right, we will now be a top-tier paper.

00:19:22.000 And it changed their subscriber base forever.

00:19:24.000 What you're saying, Alex, is they're no longer driven by the grittiness of Woodward and Bernstein.

00:19:29.000 They're now driven by an ideological agenda.

00:19:32.000 They are, absolutely.

00:19:34.000 And the decisions in terms of what's the best for the bottom line are not just taking place with these people you see popping up on Twitter and on cable news.

00:19:42.000 They're the boardrooms, and the boardrooms are going to make sure the interests are protected.

00:19:45.000 CNN is part of ATT, Time Warner.

00:19:47.000 You know, you've got, I mentioned ABC and NBC and all of these places, just huge conglomerates that are part of it.

00:19:54.000 The Atlantic is one small piece of Lorene Powell Jobs' portfolio.

00:19:59.000 But to your point, Charlie, this is where at Breitbart, we got our start with two major stories, and both of them the media told us we could not report.

00:20:09.000 The first was the Acorn Scoop with James O'Keefe.

00:20:12.000 And you guys probably remember it.

00:20:13.000 And if you don't, you should look it up and you should read Andrew Breitbart's book, by the way.

00:20:16.000 You can read mine first, just for now, just for now.

00:20:19.000 And then his book, Righteous Indignation, which is a must-read and a little shorter than mine.

00:20:23.000 So you can get through that one quick.

00:20:25.000 But a brilliant book.

00:20:25.000 And he breaks it down what he did.

00:20:28.000 But James O'Keefe comes into Andrew's office, and I was his junior, junior, junior assistant at the time, literally working in Andrew's basement.

00:20:34.000 And he says, I've got these tapes of this group, Acorn, the Association for Community Organizing and Reform Now. 0.65

00:20:41.000 And I went around and impersonated a prostitute and a pimp. 0.96

00:20:44.000 James O'Keefe was the pimp. 0.99

00:20:46.000 This woman named Hannah Giles was the prostitute. 0.95

00:20:49.000 And Acorn, in every case but one would help them launder money to start a child sex trafficking business in order to on film.

00:21:01.000 He had a button camera in his button in order to pad the campaign coffers for James's alleged budding political career.

00:21:09.000 Every Acorn office, but one, Acorn gets a lot of government funding, and they were going to be linked to the census.

00:21:14.000 This is right before 2010.

00:21:16.000 They were going to be in charge of taking the census in certain areas.

00:21:20.000 And when the story came out, everyone said it was fake news, that it's not true.

00:21:24.000 And Andrew Breitbart was a liar, and Andrew Breitbart was deceptively editing the tapes, and James O'Keefe wasn't a real journalist.

00:21:29.000 And when the dust settled, Andrew and James, of course, had the last laugh.

00:21:33.000 But even people in Andrew's corner, even Andrew's friends were doubting his strategy.

00:21:37.000 And what he did is he originated the drip, drip, drip method, where you first bait the media by putting out one piece of evidence, and then the media will announce the evidence is fake, and then you drop the second piece of evidence.

00:21:50.000 And then they say, well, that's fake too.

00:21:52.000 And then the third piece.

00:21:53.000 And then it goes on and they all humiliate themselves.

00:21:56.000 And it was unbelievable to watch it play out in real time, which I got to do.

00:22:00.000 The next one was the Anthony Weiner story, which was just the thrill of a lifetime for me to be a part of this.

00:22:07.000 I mean, the story was unbelievable.

00:22:08.000 And Weiner really hurt himself.

00:22:10.000 And I forget if I wrote about this in the book.

00:22:14.000 I think I touched on it briefly.

00:22:16.000 But this was my first time that I really had a major say in one of our major decisions because Weiner had tweeted a picture of his right.

00:22:26.000 And it's unbelievably fortunate for those of us who like the theater of politics.

00:22:33.000 But the trick is, is that we'd never done a sex scandal before at Breitbart, and we still haven't.

00:22:37.000 We don't intend to do them.

00:22:39.000 But he had said that he had been hacked.

00:22:42.000 And then we had a hacking story.

00:22:43.000 So we've got to report.

00:22:44.000 Let's just report.

00:22:45.000 He says he was hacked.

00:22:46.000 And we'll go with the hacking angle, which was my suggestion, which Andrew took.

00:22:52.000 And the whole time we were told they were fake stories.

00:22:55.000 Maybe even Breitbart was the hacker.

00:22:57.000 Maybe we're the hacker.

00:22:58.000 Maybe we should be investigated.

00:22:59.000 Of course not. 0.99

00:23:00.000 It was just a reckless guy who's a perv doing what reckless pervs do online, which is tweet pictures of their junk they're not supposed to to the wrong people. 0.98

00:23:08.000 I mean, it just, we've seen it time and again since. 0.96

00:23:11.000 But at the time, it was pretty novel.

00:23:12.000 So I remember when this was actually one of the first things I ever was really paying attention to in politics.

00:23:18.000 And Alex, I think it happened at a weird hour at night, and Andrew just so happened to screen grab it.

00:23:24.000 Is that right?

00:23:24.000 Yeah.

00:23:25.000 It just so happened because he deleted it soon by the way.

00:23:28.000 And this is when Twitter was not big.

00:23:29.000 Right.

00:23:29.000 This is when Twitter was probably 5% of its size, maybe what it is now.

00:23:34.000 What was it literally 2009, 10?

00:23:36.000 No, it was like 11 or 12, I think.

00:23:39.000 Not 12.

00:23:39.000 I had to be 11 then.

00:23:40.000 Yeah, and so he was one of the top politicians on the Democrat side.

00:23:45.000 Yeah.

00:23:46.000 You guys might not remember this.

00:23:47.000 A rising star.

00:23:48.000 He was a rising star.

00:23:49.000 Come on.

00:23:50.000 Come on.

00:23:51.000 And then he almost ran for mayor afterwards, which is amazing.

00:23:55.000 What was so great about that story, though, was the press conference.

00:23:59.000 Yeah.

00:24:00.000 And then Andrew did a press conference in response.

00:24:03.000 Yeah, Andrew hijacked Anthony Weiner's resignation press conference.

00:24:08.000 And he took questions and everyone, and he goes through, it's all on YouTube.

00:24:12.000 It's my literal favorite video on all of YouTube.

00:24:14.000 No, it's unbelievable.

00:24:15.000 It is unbelievable.

00:24:16.000 And Andrew's just, he goes up there very politely and he's saying, you guys keep saying Breitbart lies.

00:24:20.000 Breitbart lies.

00:24:21.000 Where's the lie?

00:24:21.000 Where's one lie?

00:24:23.000 And this is the thing that you talked about.

00:24:24.000 Journalism used to reward boldness.

00:24:27.000 It used to be the people who were willing to put their neck out there to search for something that others were not looking for and then ride it, even when people who are their friends are saying that maybe you shouldn't be doing this.

00:24:37.000 Maybe this is not a good use of time.

00:24:39.000 And to start peeling that onion back.

00:24:42.000 Now what's rewarded in journalism, whoever is the wittiest dunk on Trump on Twitter, that's not real life.

00:24:48.000 That's fake.

00:24:50.000 There's a bubble.

00:24:51.000 And that is something that is doing the service of the corporations who are not looking to preserve American values at this time.

00:24:59.000 So you just made me think of something I really want to explore.

00:25:04.000 But first, I just want to add one more part on the Anthony Weiner thing.

00:25:07.000 You've heard me say this multiple times before.

00:25:09.000 But I had this whole thing on how Andrew Breitbart, may he rest in peace, April 2012, is that right?

00:25:15.000 April 1st?

00:25:16.000 It was March 1st.

00:25:17.000 March 1st.

00:25:17.000 Yeah.

00:25:17.000 2012.

00:25:18.000 He passed away.

00:25:19.000 And his legacy still lives on, I think, stronger than ever.

00:25:22.000 I wrote my first ever piece for Breitbart.com, by the way.

00:25:24.000 And God bless Breitbart for giving me that platform.

00:25:27.000 When I was in high school, exposing liberal textbooks, by the way.

00:25:31.000 And now look what's happened, right?

00:25:33.000 So Breitbart deserves a lot of thanks for that.

00:25:35.000 And Joel Pollack was the one that I fed him the story because of all the nonsense that was being taught.

00:25:40.000 And Charlie, you never tell them my role in this.

00:25:43.000 That I approached Charlie to try to come work for me.

00:25:47.000 I remember this.

00:25:48.000 This is the last free day Charlie had in his life.

00:25:50.000 We were hanging out at a South Carolina tea party.

00:25:52.000 You know what?

00:25:53.000 I remember this.

00:25:53.000 And it was bad weather.

00:25:55.000 And so we were all kind of trapped in this dive bar that was there waiting for some speeches.

00:26:01.000 It was not fun.

00:26:02.000 Myrtle Beach, it's a better idea.

00:26:04.000 I like the idea of Myrtle Beach.

00:26:06.000 And then you get there and you're like, I love South Carolina, but that was terrific people.

00:26:11.000 So anyway, but I tried to hire Charlie and Charlie had said, well, this turning point thing is, I think it's going to take off.

00:26:18.000 It's a little bigger.

00:26:19.000 I like the idea, but you know what?

00:26:21.000 The turning point thing, I think it's got legs.

00:26:23.000 I think this could work.

00:26:24.000 I'm like, are you sure?

00:26:25.000 Like, just youth group, don't they already have those?

00:26:28.000 All right.

00:26:29.000 You let me know.

00:26:30.000 You come back to me later.

00:26:31.000 All right.

00:26:32.000 I can wait a little bit.

00:26:33.000 And I called that one wrong and a little late, but it worked out well for you, Charlie.

00:26:37.000 Well, and for all of our students and our amazing leaders.

00:26:40.000 So Andrew passed away in 2012.

00:26:43.000 And so, as you all know, right before the 2016 election, there was what was called the October surprise when James Comey came out and issued a letter.

00:26:55.000 You guys might remember this, that changed the news cycle saying that there was evidence to show that Hillary Clinton might have had something to do with the illegal deletion of emails.

00:27:06.000 Am I getting that right?

00:27:07.000 Yeah.

00:27:08.000 That she wasn't completely exonerated.

00:27:10.000 So this was a couple days before the 2016 election.

00:27:14.000 James Comey still gets blamed for this and saying that it got Donald Trump elected.

00:27:18.000 Well, the story behind the story actually involves Andrew Breitbart.

00:27:23.000 So that only happened because of a raid that was executed on Anthony Weiner's home.

00:27:29.000 Now, you might say, well, how does that have to do with Hillary Clinton?

00:27:33.000 Well, Anthony Weiner was married to a woman by the name of Huma Abedin.

00:27:39.000 Hillary Clinton's friend and so very good friend and um, we don't know anything else besides that they're friends.

00:27:50.000 No no no, bestie friends, as I think Wikipedia right.

00:27:54.000 So that's there.

00:27:54.000 So they grab this uh, this hard drive, Anthony Wiener's hard drive, and the Bureau doing their job, which was actually a nice thing to talk about.

00:28:05.000 Um goes through and they realize that, unrelated to the Anthony Weiner investigation, they have Hillary Clinton data in this hard drive and this database amazing because of Hillary Clinton and her friendship with Huma Abedin, right.

00:28:21.000 And so then, all of a sudden, James Coley gets this presented to him and releases the letter that very well might have turned the 2016 election towards Donald Trump, and the only reason they were able to get the raid on Anthony Weiner and get a judge to sign off on it was because a man by the name of Andrew Breitbart broke the story against Anthony Weiner, and that's how Andrew Breitbart changed the course of history, by one act of journalism.

00:28:46.000 It's so cool and I have a theme throughout the book.

00:28:49.000 Uh, those of you who've read it will will know that I that all roads lead back to Breitbart, and it's just amazing that i've got to witness so much of this stuff.

00:28:57.000 We really were at the tip of the spear of the so many elements of the culture war, and it's just great to see a lot of people take the lessons of Andrew but more have to, which is what uh, another great service I can do now that i've got uh more.

00:29:08.000 I've been platformed more since the book came out.

00:29:10.000 People, so platform me.

00:29:12.000 It is a great thing to evangelize on Andrew's lessons.

00:29:15.000 He he understood so much about how the fight needs to take place.

00:29:18.000 He had two modes, two modes, jocularity and righteous indignation.

00:29:23.000 Those are the two.

00:29:24.000 Those are the two.

00:29:25.000 The jocularity meaning having a great time, make it fun have, enjoy yourself while you're uh making life difficult for the left and when the time is right, you got to fight hard and don't give an inch and i'm pretty mild-mannered personally and I still never give an inch and you can do that.

00:29:41.000 You can live that way.

00:29:42.000 You don't have to always be pugilistic and you know going up to Antifa and putting your your face into their face and them hitting you with a, you know, a frozen bottle of urine or whatever they do the the even though, by the way, those people who do it are heroes and we should be a a grateful for those journalists who are doing that on the right.

00:30:00.000 But, that said, you don't have to be that person.

00:30:02.000 You can be a mild mannered person and still be a principal conservative who sticks to your guns and does not give into the left which was one of his biggest mottos, which I think he got from Rush, I think but that the left will never compromise with you, and this cannot be said enough.

00:30:17.000 They are not looking to compromise, they're on a search and destroy mission and the book, I think, provides at least a thousand examples of that being.

00:30:23.000 And he gives Rush credit for that, because Andrew was a liberal until he started listening to the Clarence Thomas hearings and Rush right, he was listening to Rush in Los Angeles.

00:30:33.000 May Rush rest in peace.

00:30:34.000 Big shoes to Phil, my goodness, and we're going to talk about that.

00:30:37.000 Alex, of all the, you know the work that needs to be done because Rush, in the early 90s you guys want to talk about cancel culture.

00:30:43.000 They tried to cancel Rush early.

00:30:46.000 You might, from some of you might remember that they went hard after Rush in 93 94, 95 and there This famous 60 Minutes interview where they did with Rush, and they said, Are you going to apologize for calling women feminazis?

00:30:58.000 And he said, Apologize. 0.99

00:30:59.000 He said, It's true.

00:31:01.000 And it was, you know, and it went all over the place.

00:31:05.000 And of course, I'm paraphrasing, but it was all of a sudden it sent a signal to the rest of the conservative movement of the Neville Chamberlain Republicans to not sue for peace.

00:31:13.000 Right.

00:31:13.000 To actually say, you know what?

00:31:14.000 No, we can stand behind that and Andrew learn from that.

00:31:17.000 So, Alex, what I want to ask you, which is a direction I think Andrew would appreciate, is the type of liberals I grew up with and the type of liberals you grew up with.

00:31:25.000 And a lot of you will, I think, this will resonate with a lot of you.

00:31:28.000 For some of the younger people out there, you might not be able to see this the same way.

00:31:32.000 Yeah.

00:31:33.000 But I grew up with Sierra Club liberals, you know, that actually they hated corporate power.

00:31:38.000 Right.

00:31:39.000 They were the ones that used to scream in the streets about not having their children being vaccinated.

00:31:44.000 They were the ones that used to say they hate the mega corporations.

00:31:48.000 They were the ones that said, let us go live in the hills and let us go live our own life.

00:31:52.000 And that was kind of the liberal left that I grew up with.

00:31:58.000 I don't agree with them, obviously, but there was kind of this kind of part that we were always kind of some sort of admiration to the Dennis Kucinich liberals or to the people that were willing to chain themselves to the sequoia tree when they're, you know, when they were just trying to put in a shopping mall.

00:32:13.000 You know what I'm talking about?

00:32:14.000 Where they're like, you know what? 0.93

00:32:15.000 I want to go live a normal way of life and screw you, big corporations, and I don't care what it's going to cost me.

00:32:21.000 But now it seems that, and this is why I think what's happening in American politics is so unsustainable and why conservatives are about to see a massive positive movement in our direction if we do a couple things, is because liberals have now become the protectors of corporate power, which at their very definition is at odds with everything they're supposed to believe.

00:32:45.000 I hope this book resets.

00:32:48.000 If it accomplishes one thing, I hope it is that this book sells a billion copies.

00:32:54.000 If it accomplishes two things, I hope that it resets people's take on the fact that corporations are not just on the left, but they're working openly against the American best, America's best interests.

00:33:09.000 And they have been totally co-opted by not just the left, the globalist left, the left that is left, unless, of course, their business interests in China, and then all of a sudden they're corporatists for a while.

00:33:20.000 And this is a very dangerous ideology, and it is one that does not have a ample opposition to it at this point, at this time.

00:33:28.000 And you're identifying something that is so profound to me, having been a UC Berkeley graduate.

00:33:33.000 And I went there during the Bush years, and I was told constantly that the real problems in America were the corporations.

00:33:42.000 Only it was Exxon and it was Halliburton.

00:33:45.000 These were the corporations that were ruining the world.

00:33:47.000 And why would we all want to be corporate sellouts?

00:33:50.000 Well, all of a sudden, as the millennials who grew up on a steady diet of leftism and secularism, let's not forget the secularism, and that America is not a uniquely great place and that America is not particularly exceptional.

00:34:04.000 Now they're working their ways up to the corporations now.

00:34:06.000 And they're in there and they've been told their whole life that the ideal is to essentially become a part of a great corporation.

00:34:15.000 That's the whole point of your 20s.

00:34:17.000 It's not to start a family and have kids and commune with nature and commune with our founding documents and to worship God.

00:34:23.000 It's the whole point of the world, not to be a pillar of your community.

00:34:27.000 It's to be a part of a great corporation.

00:34:30.000 And how much time you can spend starting your own Facebook or joining your own Facebook if you can't start it or being a part of Apple or Google.

00:34:38.000 Look at how cool Google's campus is.

00:34:40.000 They work four days a week.

00:34:41.000 They have luxury shuttle buses and a cool cafeteria.

00:34:43.000 They got real chefs in the cafeteria.

00:34:45.000 That is the point of life.

00:34:46.000 You'd be kidding me.

00:34:47.000 You'd absolutely be kidding me.

00:34:49.000 And unfortunately, people my age and younger, and I'm a little older than you, Charlie, probably older than I like to admit.

00:34:57.000 I got a good 20, 25 years of this.

00:35:00.000 And that's what's happening is now people my age moving into senior management or middle management.

00:35:04.000 And this is the message being pushed down, especially for you ladies out there.

00:35:08.000 They say, by all means, I'm all for freedom.

00:35:10.000 Do whatever you want to do with your life.

00:35:13.000 If your goal is to be a super high-powered lawyer, to work at a Merrill Lynch or a Goldman Sachs, or that's what you want to do, do it.

00:35:20.000 By all means, do it.

00:35:21.000 It's a free country.

00:35:21.000 It's a great country that way.

00:35:23.000 But don't be convinced just because the culture is telling you your life is supposed to be about being subservient to a corporation.

00:35:29.000 It's absurd when I put it that way.

00:35:31.000 But who puts it that way?

00:35:32.000 A few people.

00:35:33.000 Luckily, Tucker's putting it that way.

00:35:34.000 There's a few others who are out there, but very few people are doing it. 0.54

00:35:37.000 Well, not only that, the corporations are telling young women to go freeze their eggs.

00:35:41.000 Like, oh, you could put that on hold and you can now go work for be some cog in a machine and go be totally miserable for 10 years of your life and complain about everything.

00:35:49.000 But here's how they've convinced them to do it, is that the same people that used to go join the Peace Corps are now going to go work for Google because they're convinced that Google is a vehicle for massive social change.

00:36:00.000 How many of you remember people that used to go work in the Peace Corps, right?

00:36:04.000 Idealistic.

00:36:04.000 Exactly.

00:36:05.000 We're going to change the world.

00:36:06.000 Those people now go work for Google. 0.90

00:36:08.000 So the Peace Corps Kennedy people now took over Google and they say, oh, you can code?

00:36:12.000 Well, now we can code racism away.

00:36:14.000 That's actually what they say.

00:36:16.000 Like, if you have talent, you can go earn $200,000 a year and go kick Charlie Kirk and Alex Marlow off YouTube, and we're going to save the world together.

00:36:25.000 And I actually think there's a fault line in this, though.

00:36:28.000 I think that this is about to crack and break for a lot of different reasons.

00:36:33.000 And look, we actually hate corporations for completely different reasons than why they hate them.

00:36:38.000 They hate corporations.

00:36:39.000 They're supposed to because of private property.

00:36:41.000 They don't like private property.

00:36:42.000 They don't like entrepreneurship.

00:36:44.000 They tend to not like the profit motive.

00:36:46.000 We obviously are critics of the excesses of individualism, but we hate corporations largely because they hate our country and hate our values.

00:36:53.000 And we also hate them because they have amassed such economic power and they don't pay their workers well.

00:36:59.000 And they are willing to act more like a government and they don't actually have a duty or responsibility to their fellow countrymen.

00:37:05.000 But I think that this kind of rebellion against the top 100 companies in our country, I think it's already coming.

00:37:11.000 And I think it's bipartisan.

00:37:14.000 I think that it is something that is going to manifest itself in a way that is truly profound.

00:37:20.000 Do you think that what Lorene Powell Jobs is doing is the spirit of our founding fathers and democracy and one person, one-day, do you think with her behind the scenes on her yacht somewhere?

00:37:31.000 It's a gorgeous yacht, by the way, the only male got photos of it.

00:37:33.000 Is it three stories?

00:37:34.000 At least.

00:37:35.000 I mean, it feels like it.

00:37:36.000 It's like a wedding cake, but a boat. 0.55

00:37:39.000 And do you think what she's doing with her secretly using her inherited wealth, which you talked about, which you talked about brilliantly on your radio show about how that's probably a big factor that, you know, she inherits all this wealth.

00:37:51.000 Do you think what she's doing is the spirit of this country?

00:37:54.000 Of course not.

00:37:55.000 But it's legal.

00:37:56.000 It is legal.

00:37:57.000 But it's not ethical.

00:37:58.000 It's a big difference.

00:37:59.000 And that's where we have to motivate our Republicans to do this.

00:38:03.000 Well, and we used to trust the journalists to suss this stuff out, but now they're all in the payroll.

00:38:07.000 And if they're not in the payroll now, maybe they will be next time when they get a new gig.

00:38:10.000 Well, and so Lorraine Powell Jobs, first of all, I just find it hilarious that she likes Ralph Waldo Emerson.

00:38:16.000 Emerson would hate her.

00:38:18.000 And she loves Malcolm X. She's got a big Malcolm X mural.

00:38:21.000 Which he would really hate her because he hated white liberals.

00:38:24.000 There's a whole Malcolm X Black Panther movement against white liberals.

00:38:24.000 And he actually did.

00:38:28.000 So that's really interesting.

00:38:30.000 But if I could just say one thing about the Lorraine Powell Jobs, what I mentioned on the podcast, which is I think that the greatest driver in American politics, I just talked to Tucker about this and it's going to air sometime soon, is I think it's Americans' inability to deal with guilt.

00:38:46.000 And we as Christians have a way to deal with guilt.

00:38:49.000 When you do something wrong, we actually have the mechanics to be able to deal with that, whether it be taking the Eucharist or talking to that person, asking for forgiveness from your creator.

00:38:59.000 When you secularize a society, how do you deal with guilt?

00:39:03.000 Well, you go give a bunch of money away to activist causes because maybe that will make you feel a little less terrible for your white skin color.

00:39:11.000 And then you feel guilty for things you shouldn't even feel guilty about.

00:39:14.000 And so the entire pressure on our American political system right now and in our country is a bunch of people that have a lot of stuff and they can't quite explain why they have that stuff.

00:39:26.000 And so they try to reconcile that with this feeling of guilt that is pressed upon them by the rest of society by funding incredibly destructive activist causes, purchasing the Atlantic.

00:39:38.000 And I think that's exactly Lorene Powell Jobs. 1.00

00:39:40.000 So she's the ultimate example of unearned wealth. 0.87

00:39:44.000 Now, a lot of people have unearned wealth.

00:39:46.000 A lot of you in this room, myself included, had some unearned advantage.

00:39:50.000 If you grew up in a home by parents, you didn't earn that.

00:39:52.000 You were born into that.

00:39:53.000 But at some point, you kind of turn the corner, if you will, from unearned to earned, right?

00:39:59.000 Where you take out debt in your own name.

00:40:01.000 You're like, okay, 18 years you paid for me.

00:40:03.000 Now I'm on my own.

00:40:04.000 She never turned that corner.

00:40:06.000 You see, she never had to do the thing where she had a sign on a dotted line and it was her.

00:40:11.000 She married well.

00:40:12.000 Congratulations.

00:40:13.000 And she got a disproportionate outcome for marrying well. 1.00

00:40:18.000 So she doesn't know how to deal with this money.

00:40:19.000 So she sits in a room with her accountants and they say, well, you're worth $20 billion.

00:40:24.000 And she thinks to herself, well, that was just basically given to me.

00:40:28.000 She never had to reflect back on the firing she had to make.

00:40:32.000 She never had to reflect back on Steve Jobs feeling sick to him to his stomach being kicked out of his own company.

00:40:37.000 She never had to reflect back on changing a product before a product launch.

00:40:42.000 What I'm saying is she had no skin in the game in that money.

00:40:44.000 So therefore, she's, I'm not saying it should be illegal. 0.87

00:40:46.000 I'm just making a simple ethical argument of why she acts this way, where all of a sudden she has a $20 billion parachute and there's no memory of why she has it.

00:40:57.000 Where if you talk to any other entrepreneur, it's like you talk to her husband, he'd say, oh, no, no, no.

00:41:01.000 I remember that $20 billion.

00:41:04.000 I'm going to try to preserve some form of that because I know why and how I got it.

00:41:08.000 Yeah.

00:41:09.000 And this is a phenomenon that you've identified that will continue to play out in this country the way it is now.

00:41:14.000 And I'm not saying that we don't want people to have the ability to earn.

00:41:18.000 And we love, but we love this.

00:41:21.000 We love the rugged individualist spirit.

00:41:23.000 We love it that an individual of exceptional aptitude and drive can achieve in this country.

00:41:29.000 That's amazing.

00:41:30.000 But your identity shouldn't be a cog in a corporate machine.

00:41:33.000 And if you do happen to amass all this wealth and for it to be used, these people that have so much money, it's unfathomable.

00:41:41.000 For them to continue to put that money into their causes that are political is incredibly dangerous.

00:41:48.000 And I'm not saying it should be banned, but it does need to be identified.

00:41:50.000 Take what Mark Zuckerberg did during the election.

00:41:52.000 And I'll tell you, the supervillains of the book is big tech.

00:41:56.000 They're the overlords over it all.

00:41:58.000 They're called the masters of the universe in the book because that's what they are.

00:42:01.000 And never have a group of unelected people not saying we want to elect people to businesses, but they're unelected.

00:42:06.000 They're anonymous.

00:42:07.000 We don't know who they are.

00:42:08.000 And they're unbelievably powerful.

00:42:10.000 It's never happened in the history of the world that these people can make your business sink or swim.

00:42:16.000 You know what they, if they turn out Breitbart right now, they could just say, we're done.

00:42:20.000 We're done with these guys.

00:42:20.000 They're complaining about me too much on all the tech platforms.

00:42:23.000 That would make my life very difficult.

00:42:25.000 Wouldn't put us out of business because we're big enough.

00:42:26.000 But now picture the next Breitbart, knowing that they're going to go into those headwinds.

00:42:31.000 I don't do much on YouTube.

00:42:32.000 You want to know why?

00:42:33.000 And I'm embarrassed to say this.

00:42:35.000 It's because I know YouTube is going to, it's going to get, if I have a level of success, YouTube is going to take a dial and they're going to turn it down because YouTube's Google.

00:42:43.000 And I see what Google does to Breitbart.

00:42:45.000 Breitbart's traffic from Google to Joe Biden stories got erased literally to zero.

00:42:51.000 May of last year, they literally flipped the switch and said no more Joe Biden content to Breitbart, period, from Google, unless you add the word Breitbart in it.

00:43:01.000 And this is something that the tech, the tech giants are doing.

00:43:03.000 We don't know who's doing it, but we do know that they're all worth incalculable amounts of money.

00:43:07.000 And that money is getting spread around Democrat candidates, left-wing causes.

00:43:11.000 Mark Zuckerberg is the poster boy of this with his election integrity effort, which was a big head fake.

00:43:17.000 This was like MTV's get out the vote.

00:43:22.000 Sorry, MTVs rock the vote.

00:43:24.000 That's incredible.

00:43:25.000 That was quick.

00:43:27.000 You were on it with the correction.

00:43:28.000 Oh, no, I just, we talked about it.

00:43:30.000 Yeah, but it was good.

00:43:31.000 It was a reason.

00:43:33.000 He's my ombudsman.

00:43:34.000 No, yeah.

00:43:35.000 I'll tell you why we were quick on it in a second.

00:43:37.000 Yeah, but this was MTV did rock the vote in the 90s and the 2000s, where they would say, we love getting out the vote.

00:43:42.000 Voting is great, which we all agree on.

00:43:44.000 But who were they really empowering to vote?

00:43:47.000 A bunch of uninformed Democrats were sitting around watching MTV.

00:43:50.000 So it was all a trick.

00:43:52.000 And it was done, it was done in a way where you couldn't question it because I love voting.

00:43:59.000 You love voting.

00:44:00.000 Voting is great.

00:44:01.000 But they're only targeting a bunch of Democrats who wouldn't otherwise vote.

00:44:05.000 That's what Mark Zuckerberg did: he says, I love election integrity.

00:44:08.000 This is great.

00:44:09.000 Let's put these drop boxes in these Democrat areas.

00:44:12.000 Do you think it's a coincidence that they showed up in those Democrat areas?

00:44:14.000 Of course not.

00:44:15.000 They say, do you think he spent hundreds of millions of dollars on it because he just woke up one day and decided, you know what?

00:44:21.000 My cause is election integrity.

00:44:22.000 No, it's that Donald Trump was a threat to big tech and Joe Biden is not.

00:44:27.000 That is why Mark Zuckerberg did that.

00:44:29.000 And anyone who's telling you otherwise is lying to your face.

00:44:32.000 That's right.

00:44:33.000 And the issue with tech is that we used to have really rich people in our country that actually loved their country.

00:44:43.000 Andrew Carnegie and Mellon and Rockefeller and Chase, they loved America and they invested heavily in America.

00:44:51.000 And so they invested in hospitals or veterans rehabilitation centers or libraries.

00:44:58.000 And they were obviously challenged by Teddy Roosevelt, which I actually think was a very good thing.

00:45:02.000 Some people disagree with me, but I'll make an argument that it actually prevented a Leninist-style revolution from taking hold because we were close to having one that kind of had a little mini progressive movement that still had a lot of damage through Woodrow Wilson.

00:45:16.000 But there was a legitimate Marxist movement brewing in America in the late 1800s, early 1900s.

00:45:23.000 And Teddy Roosevelt kind of moderated that.

00:45:25.000 And that's a contrarian view of some people in conservative circles.

00:45:30.000 What makes it different, though, is you know how you now have the richest people in our country that really have no such loyalty to the country.

00:45:37.000 Bezos is like $165 billion.

00:45:40.000 He's like, yeah, America.

00:45:41.000 He's like, I'll just go to Singapore.

00:45:42.000 It's like, so what if this place falls?

00:45:44.000 If Andrew Carnegie even thought for a second something would be bad for America, he wouldn't do that.

00:45:50.000 Leland Stanford built the railroad because he thought it would help strengthen America.

00:45:55.000 You can read it in his journals.

00:45:56.000 He wanted to make money, obviously, and he took a daring risk and made a lot of money.

00:46:00.000 And there were some things done, obviously, in the construction of the railroad that were probably less than ethical by today's labor standards.

00:46:07.000 But his drive in his own private journals, and that's him talking to himself, is that this will make America an industrial superpower.

00:46:13.000 So, Charlie, I'm going to do something that I often do when I'm getting interviewed because I host a radio show, by the way, on Breitbart News Daily on SiriusXM Patriot 125.

00:46:22.000 It's a little early for you guys, 3 a.m.

00:46:24.000 So, so, but it's on podcast if you get the SiriusXM app.

00:46:28.000 But I'm normally in the interviewer chair.

00:46:31.000 So, I'm going to switch it around to you.

00:46:33.000 What do you think the change is?

00:46:35.000 When did we go from the people who maybe they didn't vote the same all the time, but they at least got that America was this incredible experiment that needs to be preserved.

00:46:44.000 And now we get that America is, what's Hillary Clinton's ultimate goal?

00:46:48.000 Hemispheric open borders.

00:46:50.000 We're just a blob of mass between Mexico and Canada.

00:46:53.000 We're not particularly special. 0.94

00:46:54.000 In fact, our founding documents, if you want to believe critical race theory, they're horrible because a bunch of whites came up with them.

00:47:00.000 It's the answer will be maybe not expected by some people, but I think this all changed right when the Soviet Union fell. 0.62

00:47:10.000 And Russell Kirk predicted this, of which I have no relation.

00:47:13.000 He said, America's not going to know how to deal with themselves once the Soviet Union falls. 0.84

00:47:18.000 And his prediction was basically down to the day correct. 0.70

00:47:22.000 You guys remember in the 80s, it's the only thing that kept the conservative movement together.

00:47:26.000 Libertarians played nicely with conservatives and neocons.

00:47:29.000 Everyone agreed Soviet Union's got to go.

00:47:31.000 And Ronald Reagan made it a theological debate.

00:47:34.000 He said that we get our rights from God.

00:47:36.000 They don't believe in God.

00:47:37.000 We are going to win without firing a shot or a missile.

00:47:40.000 And we did. 0.81

00:47:41.000 And so then the Soviet Union falls and H.W. Bush was president.

00:47:45.000 And so then what kind of came was this moment of, and it really was never described like this by historians, but it was almost like, well, now we can kind of indulge in the pleasure of being the world's superpower.

00:47:58.000 So we then started to look at America and the corporate class, which then, of course, Bezos and Gates were a disciple of, as a colony, not as a country.

00:48:06.000 So what did we do in 1990, 1991?

00:48:09.000 We passed Mass Immigration Act with Ted Kennedy to bring 1.3 million legally into our country every single year.

00:48:14.000 1.3 million people legally into our country, which of course was a handout to the Chamber of Commerce and to left-wingers that wanted to see cheaper votes.

00:48:22.000 Well, then what did happen a couple years after that?

00:48:24.000 Well, we ratified NAFTA, a massive free trade agreement that deindustrialized our country and had a sort of hemispheric sort of equilibrium. 0.94

00:48:36.000 And then, of course, in 1999, I call this, by the way, the four horsemen in the 1990s when baby boomers betrayed America, just so we're clear, right? 0.77

00:48:43.000 Where baby boomers in the corporate class decided to put their own corporate profits first and not their country first and did the opposite of what Dwight D. Eisenhower would have done. 0.86

00:48:51.000 No offense to baby boomers out there. 0.92

00:48:53.000 It's just true that the people in charge that were making decisions, they made four awful decisions.

00:48:58.000 In 99, it was Glass-Steagall.

00:48:59.000 Like, let's all of a sudden merge commercial banking and investment banking, which was a disaster.

00:49:04.000 There is no argument for it unless you're an ideologue.

00:49:07.000 There's no argument unless you believe in slogans more than what's good for the country.

00:49:12.000 Then finally, China is an acceptance in 2001 to the World Trade Organization.

00:49:16.000 So from 1991 to 2001, we brought China into the World Trade Organization.

00:49:21.000 We ratified NAFTA. 0.98

00:49:22.000 We tripled the amount of legal immigrants we brought into America that had no sort of language assimilation, cultural assimilation. 0.98

00:49:29.000 And then we also repealed all of our banking laws to have cheap money flow through our country. 0.98

00:49:34.000 So what happened, Alex, was that Bezos and Gates and Sergey Brin, they're all students.

00:49:40.000 They grew up looking at that as the way you run a company. 0.76

00:49:44.000 And that was a lot because we didn't have the Soviet Union as a hedge. 0.65

00:49:48.000 You see, during the 70s and 80s, there was an anchor being like, well, maybe we shouldn't bring in 1.3 million people into our country because then what if all of a sudden we lose our advantage in that national assimilation because Soviet Union is going to take us over? 0.89

00:50:01.000 The Soviet Union kept us in check. 0.80

00:50:04.000 And I know this is a weird argument for some people to hear, but the Soviet Union was actually the sword of Damocles over America that was like, no, we can't do these awful things or else we won't be able to compete against the Soviets. 0.87

00:50:15.000 As soon as they got taken off the chessboard, it was like, hey, party time, bring in the immigrants, cheap labor, tons of plastic, cheap money, China, the World Trade Organization. 0.88

00:50:25.000 Who cares? 1.00

00:50:26.000 We're a colony, not a country.

00:50:27.000 And now we are living under the consequences of that.

00:50:30.000 So we have that now. 0.97

00:50:32.000 And it's China.

00:50:34.000 And we've got this connection with the book because the media does not take this seriously at all.

00:50:38.000 In fact, they love being cooperative with China on all manner of things.

00:50:43.000 They don't care that China is the least free place in the world for journalists.

00:50:48.000 You virtually don't get any news out of China that isn't filtered through their propaganda administration, which I investigate thoroughly in the book.

00:50:55.000 And then you've got in the pandemic, the only major nation that had their GDP go up, they grew.

00:51:02.000 The GDP grew. 0.99

00:51:03.000 We all bought their stupid masks that we now learned from Fauci this week didn't work. 1.00

00:51:08.000 Of course, we all knew it. 1.00

00:51:08.000 But he admitted it. 1.00

00:51:09.000 We all knew the masks were the made in China paper masks. 0.88

00:51:12.000 We're going to stop a global pandemic. 0.98

00:51:13.000 But we all were for a year.

00:51:15.000 By the way, where I was at earlier today in Los Angeles, I mean, it's over 100% masking.

00:51:21.000 There's still, because you still get the double masking going on.

00:51:24.000 So it's an average over one made in China mask per person.

00:51:28.000 And so what do we do?

00:51:29.000 Because the sort of Damocles, we should be acknowledging it, Charlie, but why don't we see it?

00:51:35.000 Is it just as simple as the almighty dollar?

00:51:39.000 Well, yes.

00:51:40.000 And then I want to get to some questions, which is, I've done a lot of thinking about this.

00:51:45.000 I don't know the complete answer.

00:51:46.000 I think the secularization of America played a lot into this.

00:51:50.000 I also think that there is this very slow moving of the framework of what it means to be a model citizen, where the ultimate value of being an American was not acting ethically and having a lot of children and being to your church.

00:52:04.000 But slowly, it was almost like a slow motion move where all of a sudden it was like, who has the on a plastic?

00:52:11.000 And that's never been what made our country exceptional.

00:52:15.000 And that's kind of what was sold to us.

00:52:16.000 It's like, no, I got more plastic than you do.

00:52:18.000 I'm a great American.

00:52:20.000 It's like, no, actually, our country was the most prosperous country ever because we had some non-negotiables, which was like, hey, we actually care more about whether or not we're having children in our country than we have self-storage units full of stuff we never wear and we have no attachment to.

00:52:35.000 So I want to get to some questions because they're easier. 0.96

00:52:38.000 Because I know the motto here at Turning Point is big gov sucks. 0.96

00:52:38.000 Can I say something? 0.96

00:52:41.000 And big tech sucks. 0.99

00:52:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:52:43.000 And now we should add big corp sucks. 0.97

00:52:45.000 Yeah, so we're going to keep adding to that little sign. 1.00

00:52:47.000 Big corp sucks.

00:52:50.000 This is where I think you and I together can make a point here, particularly for young people, is you can love capitalism without loving corporatism. 0.96

00:52:58.000 You can love capitalism and not believe your identity should be some part of one of these major conglomerates.

00:53:07.000 And you can love capitalism without loving materialism.

00:53:10.000 That's exactly right.

00:53:11.000 And I love nice stuff and I want to have nice stuff, but it should be, you get it methodically.

00:53:17.000 You don't just get nice stuff for the sake of nice stuff.

00:53:19.000 It should have a purpose. 0.87

00:53:20.000 It could be a treat to you and try to support the businesses that are, you know, not a bunch of plastic crap from China. 0.98

00:53:27.000 But it's not just going to be plastic crap from China. 0.96

00:53:29.000 It's going to be cheap infrastructure from China. 0.98

00:53:31.000 It already is cheap generic drugs from China.

00:53:34.000 We need to be talking about this stuff on a constant basis and pushing back because we're already in the hole. 0.98

00:53:38.000 It's going to take decades to uncouple ourselves from China. 1.00

00:53:42.000 And let me give a good place to start. 1.00

00:53:42.000 But we have to start now. 1.00

00:53:44.000 Got to boycott the Olympics.

00:53:46.000 No Olympics in China.

00:53:47.000 Absolutely no Olympics in China.

00:53:50.000 No way we legitimize them on that level.

00:53:56.000 So you mentioned earlier Lorraine Powell Jobs and how nobody had heard of her.

00:54:03.000 And so we had a show of hands.

00:54:05.000 And so I have another question.

00:54:08.000 It's a Supreme Court decision called Packingham versus North Carolina.

00:54:13.000 Is there a show of hands of anybody that's ever heard of that?

00:54:18.000 Okay, that is a 2017 opinion, a unanimous opinion by the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:54:26.000 And in it, it mentions specifically Facebook and Twitter.

00:54:31.000 And it defines how freedom of speech is going to be protected moving forward.

00:54:39.000 And so you aptly mentioned the word deplatformed and the YouTube algorithm.

00:54:48.000 Packingham says that their platforms are the public square.

00:54:55.000 And speech is protected in the public square.

00:54:59.000 Not only your right to speak it, but my right to listen to you say it.

00:55:04.000 And so this, it's, if I read it correctly, this is the end of Section 230.

00:55:13.000 Well, so then my question is, being unfamiliar with the case, though, I would not be shocked if we covered it at Breitbart.

00:55:21.000 My question is, then, how do we bridge the gap?

00:55:24.000 Because clearly, culturally, these platforms are doing whatever they want, and no one is holding them accountable, left, right, or center in Washington, regardless of what the letter of the law says, which is my whole beef with big tech in general, which is the letter of the law is that, sure, they can, so long as the laws are where they are right now, they can censor whoever they want until the laws are reformed.

00:55:46.000 But is that the spirit of the First Amendment?

00:55:48.000 Is that the spirit of free speech that you, all these guys, Mark Zuckerberg, with his weird haircut, gets to just choose?

00:55:57.000 The answer to your question is in the 14th Amendment, the equal protection clause and the due process section of the Constitution.

00:56:04.000 It says nobody can take away your fundamental liberties without due process of law and equal protection.

00:56:11.000 So if they're deplatforming or shadow banning you, they got to be doing the same thing to everybody else.

00:56:16.000 And due process means you get to your day in court.

00:56:20.000 And so you get to make your case before something that resembles a fair tribunal and then get justice on a case-by-case basis.

00:56:30.000 So the enforcement mechanism is in the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.

00:56:35.000 And that's what was passed, by the way.

00:56:37.000 So here's the thing, though, is that I'm a journalist and a talk show host.

00:56:42.000 And what power do I have personally?

00:56:48.000 Because it seems like something that would have to go through the courts or at least go through our lawmakers.

00:56:54.000 And how come none of them get it if what you're saying is true?

00:56:56.000 And it sounds very reasonable to me.

00:56:58.000 But why don't the Marshall Blackburns and the Haggerty's and the Tom Cottons and the people who get this stuff, why haven't they done anything yet?

00:57:05.000 Because the legal profession, there's people within the legal profession that know what I'm talking about, but they can't say anything because of the coercive control of how they're regulated by the state bar.

00:57:18.000 Interesting.

00:57:18.000 They'll lose their license to practice law.

00:57:20.000 Did you say this is the U.S. Supreme Court decision?

00:57:22.000 Yeah.

00:57:22.000 Everybody from Ruth Bader Ginsburg to Clarence Thomas unanimously said, and names specifically, Facebook and Twitter, their platforms are the public square where speech is protected.

00:57:38.000 Okay.

00:57:39.000 Well, if you send me an email at alex at breipbart.com, I will look into it.

00:57:44.000 I'd like to look at your thoughts.

00:57:46.000 I would love to look into it more.

00:57:48.000 Yeah, I'm guessing, though, unfortunately, that there's something that is preventing that to become the law of the land.

00:57:48.000 Thank you.

00:57:55.000 It sounds great, but I don't have the benefit of having the details in front of me.

00:57:59.000 Mises University, that's a fun place.

00:58:01.000 Welcome.

00:58:03.000 It's good to be here.

00:58:04.000 Okay, I don't think there's any question about how important it would be for conservatives to have our own social media platforms.

00:58:14.000 And there's been some talk that Trump was going to start one, and there's some other people.

00:58:20.000 Even if we don't have a prominent politician to actually fund it and start it, there are enough of them out there.

00:58:28.000 I think that it might be incumbent on us if we could just get a group of leaders, pundits, maybe a few politicians, some journalists to all get together and say, this is the social media platforms that we're going to migrate to, and we're all going to do it on one day.

00:58:51.000 So Breitbart's very powerful on social media, but Charlie is arguably the biggest guy on social media on the right.

00:58:58.000 So, Charlie, what do you think?

00:59:00.000 I used to be on Twitter, and then we had a little bit of a fight.

00:59:04.000 I'm still on Twitter, but I kind of passively protest them after they banned Trump.

00:59:09.000 I'm like, you know what?

00:59:10.000 I'm going to go direct my attentions.

00:59:13.000 Exactly. 0.53

00:59:14.000 I remember, this is such a ridiculous sidebar. 0.62

00:59:18.000 Do you guys remember when LeBron James did that ridiculous announcement when he said, it's like, I'm going to take my talents to Miami? 0.66

00:59:24.000 That's what I did with Twitter.

00:59:24.000 It's like, I'm going to take, you remember that?

00:59:26.000 That ridiculous thing with all the children in the background.

00:59:28.000 I've never loved the decision. 0.95

00:59:29.000 No, yeah, no, it was a whole show.

00:59:31.000 It was, anyway, I'm going to take my Twitter talents outside of Twitter.

00:59:35.000 Rumble's crime.

00:59:37.000 Who would have thought LeBron James turned out to be an egomaniac?

00:59:39.000 Amazing, right?

00:59:40.000 And by the way, what a difference between Michael Jordan and him.

00:59:44.000 Let me just say, he will never be Michael Jordan.

00:59:46.000 Michael Jordan was such a class act, and he was just terrific.

00:59:50.000 I did not expect to talk about that tonight.

00:59:52.000 But Rumble is great.

00:59:53.000 R-U-M-B-L-E.com.

00:59:55.000 The next time you guys want to look at a video, go to rumble.com, download the app.

00:59:59.000 Everyone should download the Rumble app.

01:00:01.000 We're going to be posting there a lot more.

01:00:03.000 I'm personally working with them.

01:00:04.000 I actually have more subscribers on Rumble than I do on YouTube.

01:00:07.000 Wow.

01:00:08.000 That's amazing.

01:00:10.000 So my thoughts are, I'm an all-the-above guy.

01:00:12.000 I am a breakup big tech, reform antitrust laws to put pressure on big tech, amend section 230 so that places that have 100 million users or whatever aren't allowed to just censor willy-nilly based on politics.

01:00:25.000 All that stuff should be done.

01:00:26.000 And then we should build our own stuff.

01:00:28.000 And it's not going to work all the time.

01:00:30.000 Parlor got kicked off by Amazon.

01:00:32.000 We were always told, just build your own Twitter.

01:00:34.000 So Parler did, and they got kicked off, and they got their business destroyed by Amazon.

01:00:39.000 But they're playing catch up, and it looks like they're on the right track.

01:00:41.000 And I'm rooting for them, and I'm rooting for Rumble.

01:00:43.000 So it's got to be both.

01:00:44.000 It's got to be all the above, and it's got to be a robust effort.

01:00:46.000 And I really do think that the conservative donor class has to get involved on this too, that they have to understand that the culture wars now are being fought in these social media platforms, like it or not.

01:00:56.000 And for me, it's usually not.

01:00:58.000 I don't like these things.

01:00:59.000 I'm not nearly as good at it as Charlie is.

01:01:01.000 I have no interest in being as good at it as Charlie is.

01:01:03.000 No offense, Charlie.

01:01:05.000 It is, but we have to do all the above approach.

01:01:09.000 And this includes creating an environment where people can try and fail and they can launch their startup and it might not work out.

01:01:15.000 But maybe the next one does.

01:01:16.000 Maybe the next one does go big.

01:01:18.000 Well, and I'll just add to that as well.

01:01:21.000 There is a, and I just, I just, we're pretty good at kind of seeing the next move.

01:01:27.000 There is five years from now, if we keep this pressure on, considering the first two questions in line, we're about big tech here tonight.

01:01:34.000 I'm confident there's going to be a change.

01:01:36.000 There's 75 million or more of us that are displeased with this current corporate oligarchy.

01:01:42.000 And you just saw Peter Thiel put some money into Rumble, which is a great sign because that's an institutional investor that picked Facebook early.

01:01:51.000 And so, but I think the real fight, and this is what I would have loved to see the state of Arizona do, but whatever Arizona is doing right now, I don't know.

01:01:59.000 That's a different form for a different time.

01:02:02.000 Come to Freedom Square at Dream City Church this coming Tuesday because we're going to talk about that because it's all Arizona.

01:02:08.000 That's kind of our Arizona night, right?

01:02:10.000 Because we're going to have a lot to say, everybody, about Arizona because I'm not happy about that, is the states need to be going after these tech companies big time.

01:02:18.000 Ron DeSantis is showing the playbook.

01:02:20.000 The states have a ton of power to say, no, you can't mine the data of our citizens.

01:02:26.000 You've got to put pressure on these companies.

01:02:27.000 These are trillion-dollar companies that are making money off of you.

01:02:32.000 Only addictive drugs and social media companies call the people that use their products users.

01:02:38.000 Think about that.

01:02:39.000 That's pretty good.

01:02:40.000 Well, by the way, what's a football Saturday like at Mises University?

01:02:44.000 So that's an institute at Auburn University that's named after Ludwig von Mises.

01:02:49.000 Right.

01:02:55.000 So I.

01:02:56.000 Well, Auburn, then it's probably fun.

01:02:58.000 Yeah.

01:02:59.000 Tom Woods talks there and everything.

01:03:01.000 They're super libertarian, which obviously all of you guys know.

01:03:04.000 I've written Mises.

01:03:05.000 I probably don't have it memorized to committed memory.

01:03:08.000 Well, what is it?

01:03:09.000 Money, Something, and Credit is his most famous book.

01:03:12.000 And I love the monetary theory stuff, though.

01:03:15.000 The one thing that he got the best was how our money supply is used and abused by corrupt people to try to declare wars and deteriorate purchasing power.

01:03:25.000 You'll lose me on immigration and libertarianism, but I appreciate the enthusiasm for wanting to crush the Federal Reserve.

01:03:32.000 Cool.

01:03:34.000 Thank you.

01:03:36.000 Cool.

01:03:37.000 All right, question.

01:03:38.000 My question is boring, I guess.

01:03:40.000 But do journalists require a state or federal license in order to do what they do?

01:03:49.000 And I require a license to do what I do.

01:03:53.000 And in my license, they say if you commit fraud or you lie, you will lose your license and you can't practice that anymore.

01:04:01.000 And I figure that holds me accountable for what I say.

01:04:06.000 And you would think that journalists would have some sort of accountability.

01:04:11.000 I don't understand why they don't have to be licensed.

01:04:14.000 Can you explain that to me?

01:04:17.000 I can't explain it.

01:04:19.000 The only problem I have with that is that who's going to be in charge of giving out the new licenses?

01:04:25.000 Who's going to be the licensees?

01:04:28.000 It's going to be the same establishment that we're complaining about, unfortunately.

01:04:32.000 I do wish that there was a clearer delineation between rights that should be states' rights and rights that are federal rights.

01:04:41.000 I think we all embrace that. 0.76

01:04:43.000 It's a not just because in our Constitution, but also because it makes red states look a lot better when that happens. 0.77

01:04:48.000 If you guys hadn't watched the last few months of what's happening in America. 0.69

01:04:52.000 But unfortunately, I don't know.

01:04:54.000 This is another one of those questions where it's a fundamental, and I feel like the waters are so muddied right now that it's very hard to rein this stuff in.

01:05:01.000 I've been spending out a lot of time in California, which actually had a budget surplus last year because while many Americans were told to stay home, big tech was just working from home, making more money than they've ever made.

01:05:13.000 And so the tax revenue was huge in California.

01:05:16.000 And so what's Newsom doing?

01:05:17.000 He's doing a vaccine lottery where he's paying the citizens with their own money to get the experimental vaccine, which is like, he's paying them with their money.

01:05:28.000 Like, look, they will give you some of your money back if you just get this vaccine.

01:05:34.000 Are people really lacking information on the vaccine at this point?

01:05:37.000 I think people have made up their mind.

01:05:38.000 I think people have made intelligent decisions on the vaccine.

01:05:40.000 And what else is he doing now?

01:05:42.000 He's doing a reparations commission.

01:05:44.000 Charlie, was California a slave state?

01:05:48.000 In fact, if anyone should pay reparations, it should be Mexico, because a lot of Mexican military was actually occupying most of California before the Catholic missions basically used to be California.

01:05:48.000 No.

01:06:05.000 So, okay, so this is the thing, is that we're so insane now.

01:06:09.000 I wish we get those fundamentals, but Charlie, you've probably given this, you're good on these fundamental issues.

01:06:14.000 What do you think?

01:06:15.000 So on the journalist kind of accreditation or more broadly?

01:06:18.000 Just in general, his point about the licenses.

01:06:24.000 I think the point is actually a really good one because you feel as if these people have so much power.

01:06:29.000 And why is it you need a license to cut hair but not to destroy someone's life through writing a story?

01:06:33.000 And I think that's actually the good intention.

01:06:36.000 I agree with Alex wholeheartedly, which is there is something exciting and I think moral and good about anyone being able to be a journalist, right?

01:06:46.000 That you could just pull up your smartphone and be able to ask questions of Lorraine Powell Jobs next time any of you see her at the local yacht club.

01:06:55.000 There's something that's actually really exciting about that.

01:06:58.000 With that being said, I don't think it would be a good idea.

01:07:01.000 I do think, though, that there should be, and this is the way that you can kind of circumvent it, which is what's happened in the right to work states, which is you have a private licensing organization of a quality of a carpenter or a plumber.

01:07:15.000 So it doesn't need to be government mandated, but it's like, no, this person is a blue chip reporter and people will know what that means and you'll only talk to them. 0.55

01:07:24.000 This is already happening naturally, where Alex and I, there are certain reporters we will not talk to, and we've already delicensed them.

01:07:31.000 There's no need for that to be done through some government agency.

01:07:34.000 Does that make sense? 1.00

01:07:35.000 Like, you're a total scumbag. 1.00

01:07:37.000 I'm not talking to you. 1.00

01:07:38.000 And, like, you might as well matter if you have a license or not.

01:07:41.000 And I think that's actually part of what Alex does in this book is kind of exposing people of who to look at, who to trust, and who not to trust.

01:07:49.000 Yeah, unfortunately, this is definitely a lesser of evils decision.

01:07:52.000 It's the put the licenses in place, and we all rejoice until the licensees or the people in charge of giving the licenses are compromised, which will happen.

01:08:03.000 Or we just do it now, which is kind of not great, but is potentially better so long as we keep empowering those independent, those independent, conservative, and not even conservative by the way.

01:08:14.000 There's a lot of great reporting coming out of independent people on the left who are willing to stand up.

01:08:18.000 Anti-war people.

01:08:19.000 Totally.

01:08:20.000 It's the person who is probably quoted most frequently in the book.

01:08:24.000 I don't know if he is in the final draft.

01:08:25.000 And the first draft was Glenn Greenwald, a guy who I disagree with on probably more than half the stuff, but the guy has integrity and he is very open about what he believes, where he's coming from, and he brings the heat.

01:08:36.000 He brings the facts and the data.

01:08:38.000 And he's not, and again, also mild-mannered.

01:08:41.000 Like, I love that personality in people who are mild-mannered, but do not back down.

01:08:46.000 And you got to bring it if you're going to debate them on stuff.

01:08:48.000 I love that.

01:08:49.000 And we got to get back to that.

01:08:50.000 We need more people like that.

01:08:51.000 And I want to just say one other thing.

01:08:53.000 You mentioned the vaccine.

01:08:54.000 I did a whole podcast on this.

01:08:56.000 And if you got the vaccine, that's fine.

01:08:57.000 That's obviously your decision.

01:08:59.000 I decided not to get it.

01:09:01.000 And I'm not going to impose my opinion because it's a very intimate and personal medical decision.

01:09:06.000 What I think we can all agree on, though, is that our children and our college students should not be forced to get vaccinated.

01:09:11.000 Mandatory vaccinations are a bridge too far.

01:09:14.000 And what we have to do, so there are three fights that are brewing this summer: mandatory vaccinations, school boards, and the audits.

01:09:22.000 This summer, we can't just take it easy.

01:09:24.000 It's not a summer where we're just like, I hope things are going to get better.

01:09:27.000 We have to put points on the board on those three things, everybody.

01:09:29.000 So, okay, so let me respond to a couple of these.

01:09:32.000 First of all, vaccines.

01:09:33.000 I come from a family of science.

01:09:35.000 It's actually not a joke.

01:09:37.000 It's a no, not a joke.

01:09:41.000 My wife's family are all scientists.

01:09:42.000 And most of them, most of the doctors in the family are getting the vaccine.

01:09:46.000 And I'll tell you that those who, not everyone, most of them, and I'll tell you to a number, they will tell you they should not be mandated.

01:09:54.000 I'll tell you that.

01:09:55.000 That's for sure.

01:09:55.000 It should not be mandated.

01:09:56.000 They're available.

01:09:57.000 We got the information.

01:09:58.000 They're working miraculously well, it appears, but it is not on the government to mandate it for something where young, healthy people are surviving.

01:10:05.000 And it is in the pandemic is already winding down.

01:10:10.000 We know enough of the patterns, and we don't know that much about the vaccine that you have to force people to do it.

01:10:15.000 People can make up their own minds.

01:10:17.000 But I want to talk to you about the audits because I get a lot of my audit information from you guys and your guy and your guy Tyler who checks in.

01:10:24.000 Tell me when we're out on that stuff.

01:10:25.000 Yeah, it's still going on.

01:10:26.000 So the audit here is really tricky.

01:10:28.000 It's because we're constantly battling kind of other forces that want to shut it down.

01:10:33.000 So I'm going to tell you what we do on our podcast, and I encourage you guys to check in on it because we're super careful and disciplined.

01:10:39.000 And the reason we don't do daily is because I never want to do hopium.

01:10:43.000 I can't stand hopium, which is hope and opium mixed together, things that sound good, that make you feel good, but they're not true. 1.00

01:10:49.000 You should apologize to the hopies. 1.00

01:10:50.000 No, but yeah.

01:10:52.000 But and you guys know there's some, and I guess there's just people out there that publish stuff that might not yet be.

01:10:58.000 We try to never say anything on our podcast or at Turning Point USA that we would not say under oath, right?

01:11:04.000 And so that's a high standard, right?

01:11:06.000 We could speculate, we can ask questions, but I could tell you this, that how quickly, how much they're trying to shut down this audit, there is going to be something that's discovered here.

01:11:15.000 Now, what that means and what that gets unfolded, we don't know.

01:11:19.000 But I think that this is going to continue to progress.

01:11:22.000 And I think other states need to continue with the audit.

01:11:24.000 But here's the problem: I don't want to get people's hopes up that there's going to be some reversal or someone get put into office.

01:11:30.000 I'm not that person.

01:11:32.000 I'm not going to mislead you.

01:11:34.000 I think that's actually very, very unhealthy.

01:11:36.000 Do I think there might be discoveries that can lead to hopefully some very serious structural changes?

01:11:42.000 Yes.

01:11:42.000 Why the governor of this state vetoed 22 voter integrity bills yesterday is beyond unacceptable to me.

01:11:50.000 And I have a whole chapter on this in the book, and it's pretty complicated.

01:11:53.000 And I'm kind of relieved we didn't get into it because it's really hard to talk about an off-the-cut forum.

01:11:57.000 But I meticulously went state by state in many of the key swing states, and I went through exactly where things went wrong in terms of voter integrity. 0.84

01:12:07.000 And if you're looking for the spy thriller, Dominion was bought, was created by Hugo Chavez and bought by the Chinese and put in Frankfurt and they were flipping votes, you're going to be very disappointed. 0.93

01:12:16.000 I found none of that. 0.83

01:12:17.000 But I did find, I did find infinite, infinite amounts of impropriety that needs to be examined by any responsible American, not just Republicans.

01:12:28.000 Any responsible American should be very curious about this stuff because it is a very dangerous game we're playing if our people lose faith in our elections.

01:12:36.000 And we've had a couple in a row now where each side thinks that this was not legit.

01:12:40.000 And that's not good.

01:12:41.000 It's really bad.

01:12:42.000 It's very unhealthy for the Republic.

01:12:44.000 So let me tell you where I think we need to focus our energy and where I think the audit is going to lead to more questions.

01:12:50.000 So here's my opinion.

01:12:51.000 I don't think the audit's going to give us answers.

01:12:53.000 I think it's going to give us a list of more questions.

01:12:56.000 And that's a good thing, by the way.

01:12:58.000 More questions and knowing where to go is a very healthy thing.

01:13:00.000 So what questions are there?

01:13:02.000 I think it's going to be around voter rolls, ballot practices, mass mail and balloting, signature requirements, ballot custody, how votes are counted, who counts them.

01:13:12.000 Those seven things I just said, I think we need to zero in on.

01:13:17.000 And where I think that it's a little bit more uncertain, there could be some truth there.

01:13:22.000 I'm open-minded.

01:13:24.000 Look, we have segments on UFOs, okay?

01:13:26.000 So we're a very open-minded show.

01:13:28.000 All right.

01:13:28.000 Let me just be very clear.

01:13:30.000 We're not like gatekeeping our way to trying to restrict opinions.

01:13:34.000 With that being said, I don't think the machines are the hill to die on.

01:13:38.000 Let me say it again.

01:13:40.000 The machines I don't think are the hill to die on.

01:13:42.000 The voting rolls are the easiest one to fix.

01:13:45.000 There's court president. 0.99

01:13:46.000 There's court precedent to clean up voter rolls. 1.00

01:13:48.000 There's precedent to get into it.

01:13:50.000 So I just, that's my, it's a super complicated topic, right, Alex?

01:13:54.000 And we have to.

01:13:54.000 Totally.

01:13:55.000 And outside money, $400 million coming from Zuckerberg.

01:13:58.000 It's a very difficult thing to talk about.

01:14:01.000 And I'll just say one other thing.

01:14:02.000 It's a failure of the people you put in charge, the fact they did not fix this when we saw this coming.

01:14:09.000 And I'll just talk about this state because I'm a little bit upset right now about Arizona.

01:14:14.000 Yeah, by all means.

01:14:15.000 And I sat in a meeting with President Trump in July of last year where Tyler told me, he's like, we're going to have problems with mail and voting.

01:14:23.000 And Tyler's the national committee man here in Arizona.

01:14:26.000 Tyler knows his stuff.

01:14:27.000 You listen to him on the Arizona audit stuff.

01:14:28.000 And he's super precise in how he talks about this.

01:14:31.000 And I told the president, and he totally agreed, by the way.

01:14:34.000 But he was given assurances that everything was fine here in Arizona and everything was fine here in Georgia.

01:14:39.000 He was lied to.

01:14:41.000 There's no other ⁇ there were so many problems with how the ballots got sent.

01:14:46.000 Did anyone get here a ballot you didn't request here in Arizona?

01:14:48.000 Did anyone get a ballot here?

01:14:49.000 The fact that five hands went up shows that you extrapolate that with an electorate, and this was decided by 10,000 votes.

01:14:57.000 And we know they never cheat, right?

01:15:00.000 We know they act perfectly, ethically, honestly.

01:15:04.000 They have never done anything illegal.

01:15:06.000 They've never entrapped.

01:15:08.000 They've never lied under oath.

01:15:09.000 They've never went into the White House trying to put Michael Flynn to prison.

01:15:13.000 In fact, I would let them run the country.

01:15:18.000 You make a compelling point.

01:15:20.000 Yeah.

01:15:21.000 You guys know what I'm saying.

01:15:23.000 And then Georgia's the other one.

01:15:25.000 I don't mean to filibuster the time here.

01:15:27.000 The point is that what just happened here, the 22 videos.

01:15:29.000 Georgia is unbelievable.

01:15:30.000 Can I throw out just one thing?

01:15:32.000 And I got a lot of people.

01:15:33.000 It's so preventable.

01:15:34.000 This just frustrates me.

01:15:35.000 I got a whole section of this in the book.

01:15:36.000 But the amount of, you know, Tucker got made fun of because he said the dead voted.

01:15:40.000 Well, the dead did vote in Georgia.

01:15:42.000 You know why?

01:15:43.000 Because in Georgia, you could vote like 90 days before the election, something like that.

01:15:48.000 And so there were a bunch of people who actually voted on the early end of that and were dead by the time Election Day came.

01:15:55.000 It's the, it's the, because election day is now election quarter in the state of Georgia, which is, that's a high integrity system.

01:16:02.000 It's the, yeah, let's just vote for three months.

01:16:05.000 Why not six months?

01:16:06.000 Why can't I vote already for 2024 right now?

01:16:08.000 Like, why cap it at three months?

01:16:10.000 It's such an arbitrary number, and it's a number set by people who want to have the maximum amount of time to community organize the vote and to get all these people who, alive or dead, to vote early and vote often.

01:16:21.000 Well, and let me tell you where this is going.

01:16:22.000 You got to vote often?

01:16:23.000 Not supposed to vote often.

01:16:26.000 I want to get to this question.

01:16:27.000 Let me tell you where this is going, which is why this democracy versus republic fight is so important.

01:16:31.000 We're a republic, not a democracy.

01:16:33.000 Because of technology, they're going to go to direct democracy, which means they're going to go to smartphones where citizens vote on ballot referendums and circumvent electors.

01:16:42.000 So what I'm saying is they're going to have you vote on bills happening in front of Congress on your smartphone.

01:16:46.000 Now, of course, there'll be no fraud.

01:16:48.000 There'll be no shenanigans, no manipulation, and people will never vote for free money or for free stuff.

01:16:53.000 That's where this is going. 1.00

01:16:54.000 Laureen Powell Jobs actually has some ownership over one of the apps that was used that botched account for the Iowa election. 1.00

01:17:00.000 Yep. 1.00

01:17:01.000 You remember the Iowa caucuses where they got screwed up?

01:17:03.000 With Pete's Robotron Buddha Judge.

01:17:06.000 Yeah, Pete Buddy, JJ, JJ, Judge.

01:17:09.000 I never stop at two.

01:17:10.000 I always keep going.

01:17:12.000 He was connected to the business, too.

01:17:15.000 And that's why Mayor Cheat trended on Twitter.

01:17:19.000 I guess At Jack doesn't like Pete very much to let that happen.

01:17:22.000 That's right.

01:17:22.000 So we got to get to another question here.

01:17:24.000 My man, Dream City.

01:17:27.000 Hi, Alex.

01:17:29.000 My name is Sam.

01:17:31.000 Thank you for being here.

01:17:32.000 You're welcome.

01:17:33.000 Cruel to be here.

01:17:34.000 This question is for my brother.

01:17:35.000 He went up to Seattle after going to Walter Cronkite for four years, and he's turned to the dark side.

01:17:41.000 So my question is just, it's going to be generic to wrap it up.

01:17:46.000 During your time at Berkeley or even prior to that or even after that, what would you say was your major turning point in life?

01:17:57.000 What was a time you had to sacrifice something you may have wanted to do with your heart or with your mind, but your heart was putting you elsewhere, you know?

01:18:07.000 And I'm involved in now.

01:18:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:18:10.000 Thank you.

01:18:11.000 And for me, it was pretty easy transition.

01:18:15.000 And the hardest stuff for me in my life has just been because of how Breitbart is, everyone's always just come at us with pickaxes and torches and not the tiki torches from Bed Bath and Beyond that the Charlottesville guys were using.

01:18:31.000 This is the real deal.

01:18:32.000 This is real stuff that people come at us with and the Trebouchets with the fiery things that catapult. 0.99

01:18:38.000 I'm getting we've been up here a while. 1.00

01:18:40.000 Sorry to make silly jokes.

01:18:42.000 No, but for me, my evolution as a conservative started with talk radio, as it did for so many people.

01:18:48.000 I was very open-minded and had open-minded parents who were conservative, but they didn't indoctrinate me.

01:18:54.000 They just had talk radio on, and I just found talk radio, Larry Elder and Dennis Prager and Rush and Michael Savage and Hannity, and all these guys were so good, and they were so smart, and they had so many arguments, Laura Ingram.

01:19:05.000 And these are the people who were on in the car for me while I was driving around, and I just found them so unbelievable.

01:19:10.000 And by the way, many of those people have shown incredible support for the book, which is a really thrill for me.

01:19:16.000 And I've been in the business for 15 years.

01:19:18.000 It's still exciting when those people take an interest because they're so smart and they're so culturally savvy.

01:19:24.000 And I was just totally all in.

01:19:26.000 And when I met Andrew, Andrew was an editor of the Drudge Report, and he was, I just had built this small but mighty operation already.

01:19:36.000 And it was really just him.

01:19:37.000 And he said he was going to expand in original content.

01:19:40.000 And I just signed on the dotted line right away.

01:19:42.000 I was still at Berkeley.

01:19:45.000 But the hardest stuff for me was I was a baseball player growing up and I wanted to play baseball.

01:19:52.000 And when the Division I offers didn't come through from high school, which was a huge disappointment for me, and I got into Berkeley on academics, the biggest decision of my life was saying to some schools that were not Division I schools, I don't want to play baseball for you.

01:20:06.000 I'm going to go to Berkeley and I'm going to live amongst the institutional left.

01:20:10.000 I'm going to go there and I'm going to see what they got.

01:20:12.000 I'm going to go to class with them.

01:20:16.000 I'm going to study with them.

01:20:17.000 I'm going to write reports with them.

01:20:19.000 I'm going to work with them at a local sustainable organic restaurant, see what appetizers they enjoy.

01:20:26.000 It's fried goat cheese, by the way.

01:20:28.000 That is what the hippies like up there. 0.88

01:20:30.000 It's delicious. 0.99

01:20:30.000 You can't deny it's good. 0.99

01:20:33.000 And I'm going to come out totally educated.

01:20:36.000 And because of that, I think I can take, I think that's helped me be very effective in my role at Breitbart is that I understand who the opposition is ideologically.

01:20:46.000 And I'm saying opposition.

01:20:47.000 I'm not saying enemy.

01:20:48.000 I had a caller on my radio show this morning who literally referred to me as the enemy.

01:20:53.000 He was a left-wing guy who called in, and he had referred to me and sort of Trump's America.

01:20:58.000 And I think in general, a lot of white people, I think he had some racial issues that he was working through, were the enemy.

01:21:04.000 It's like, I don't talk that way. 1.00

01:21:06.000 They're ideological opponents, and a lot of them are very ignorant. 0.98

01:21:10.000 And raising awareness is key. 0.98

01:21:13.000 And you talk about school boards.

01:21:14.000 It's the schools.

01:21:15.000 It's the culture.

01:21:16.000 It's the media. 1.00

01:21:17.000 It's entertainment less so these days because entertainment classes really embarrass themselves so much that they're just kind of used for us to poke fun at them for being stupid. 0.99

01:21:26.000 But these were the people who are guiding the culture. 0.96

01:21:29.000 And I've been very blessed to live and work amongst them, which I think really helps us stay sharp and move on our toes at Breitbart.

01:21:35.000 So I would say the biggest thing, saying goodbye to baseball and saying yes to Berkeley for sure.

01:21:40.000 That was the turning point for me when I really got into this.

01:21:44.000 Awesome.

01:21:44.000 Well, Alex, you do amazing work at Breitbart.

01:21:46.000 Alex is going to sign some books.

01:21:48.000 I'll take pictures if anyone wants to do that really quick.

01:21:50.000 And we'll just, if you guys want, if you care about getting critical race theory out of Arizona, Chandler, Arizona, Chandler Unified School Districts, June 9th, 6.30 p.m.

01:22:02.000 They're trying to push critical race theory through Chandler.

01:22:05.000 And so just want to make sure you guys are all aware of that.

01:22:08.000 And it just so happens we have Freedom Square the night before.

01:22:11.000 So we'll see what happens.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 12, 2021

Exposing the Evil of the Activist Media with Breitbart Editor-In-Chief Alex Marlow

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