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00:02:12.000Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:15.000Back with us is one of my favorite guests and a friend of mine, Larry Elder, who is also a Salem Radio Network host and just a terrific guy.
00:02:24.000Larry, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:26.000Charlie, thank you so much for having me.
00:03:07.000Well, the whole premise, of course, behind Black Lives Matter is that America is systemically racist.
00:03:13.000And what really gave the movement a lot of juice was after Michael Brown was killed in Ferguson.
00:03:18.000And of course, Michael Brown did not have his hands up to not say don't shoot.
00:03:22.000The officer who was involved was completely exonerated.
00:03:25.000And the big takeaway as far as Black Lives Matter is concerned is that the Obama administration determined that the Ferguson PD was, quote, institutionally racist, close quote.
00:03:34.000Well, Ferguson is 67% black, and 85% of those who are pulled over in Traffic Stops are black.
00:03:40.00018-point Gap Ergo of this predominantly white police station is engaging in systemic racism, according to the Obama administration.
00:03:47.000The problem with that, Charlie, is that let's go across the coast and look at the NYPD, which is majority minority.
00:03:53.00025% of the people living in New York are black.
00:03:56.00055% of those pulled over in Traffic Stopped are black.
00:03:59.000A 30-point gap, a bigger gap than the gap in Ferguson, yet the NYPD is majority people of color, which shows you that that stat is completely, totally useless.
00:04:08.000It doesn't tell you anything about race of offending.
00:04:10.000And during the Obama administration, they did a study called Race and Traffic Stop, came out in 2013, and it turned out that blacks were, in fact, disproportionately pulled over compared to whites.
00:04:20.000It is also true that you name the traffic offense, whether it's speeding, driving without a license, driving without headlights on, driving with a retired tag, driving without a proper child safety seat in the back.
00:04:35.000You name the offense, a black motorist was more likely to commit it than a white motorist.
00:04:39.000And the Obama administration concluded that the disproportionate stops had to do with, quote, legitimate factors, close quote.
00:04:45.000The whole narrative, Charlie, is a lie.
00:04:49.000For example, most people believe if you put a frog in a pot of water and bring the water up very, very slowly till it's boiling hot, the frog will die.
00:04:59.000When the water gets hot, the frog jumps out.
00:05:01.000The fact that a lot of people believe that is neither here nor there.
00:05:04.000The fact that a lot of people believe the systemic racism lie is a big here and or there because what happens is officers pull back after being falsely accused of racism.
00:05:14.000The people who are hurt, of course, are the very black and brown people that the Black Lives Matter proponents claim that they care about.
00:05:21.000And the other thing that happens, Charlie, is this.
00:05:23.000If you're a young black man and you're given a steady diet of racism, you're told by people like Barack Obama that racism is in America's DNA.
00:05:32.000You're told by people like Eric Holder that America engages in pernicious racism.
00:05:37.000Why shouldn't you believe that when you're being pulled over, the cop's going to do something bad to you?
00:05:43.000And as a result, virtually every single one of these incidents that would have been avoided had the suspect/slash civilian complied ended up becoming DEF CON one, largely because young black men are being told falsely that the cops are out to get them.
00:05:57.000And so, and even also, Larry, it's important to note, which is blacks are more likely to commit crimes in the sense that not because of their color of their skin, but because of lower socioeconomic conditions, which you and I have talked about.
00:06:11.000But is there some truth, Larry, that they're actually, it's not that they're pulled over more because they're black, it's more police encounters and more police interactions.
00:06:23.000And that statistic that used in Ferguson, for example, and then you compare it with New York City, which is a phenomenal way of framing it, that this has very little to do with race at all, actually.
00:06:33.000And Heather McDonald has talked a lot about this.
00:06:35.000Can you talk about how we should look just more broadly than just the color of people's skin, but socioeconomic factors, fatherlessness?
00:06:43.000Because it seems we have such a sloppy discussion when it comes to this.
00:06:49.000Let's just talk about George Floyd for a second.
00:06:51.000We've had four months, as you know, of protests in the streets, including riots, including instances where people were killed, all because of the assumption that whatever happened to George Floyd happened because Derek Chauvin is a racist.
00:07:04.000Well, after the conviction of Derek Chauvin, the Minnesota AG, Keith Ellison, who brought the charges, was asked by CBS whether or not race had anything to do with it.
00:07:15.000And he said, if we could have determined that race was a factor, we would have brought charges.
00:07:19.000We could not determine that race was a factor at all in what Derek Chauvin did.
00:07:24.000Well, do you think the people in the streets are upset because of a bad police tactic, or are they upset because what they perceived to be another instances of another example of systemic racism?
00:08:17.000Is this guy this oblivious to the fact that they've got ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, virtually all the major professional associations, whether it's the American Bar Association or the American Medical Association, the NBA, all of big tech, New York Times, LA Times, I could go on and on and on.
00:08:36.000And this guy is so oblivious, he believes that the fact that Fox News and conservative radio exist means that conservatives therefore are completely, totally misled about everything.
00:08:46.000This guy has no clue that 83% of Democrats believe that Donald Trump is a racist.
00:08:55.000How does it happen that 61% of Democrats believe that all Republicans are racist, sexist, bigoted, where only half that number of Republicans feel that way about Democrats?
00:09:05.000How does it happen that if you are a freshman in Dartmouth and you're a liberal, you're more likely to say you don't want to room with a conservative than a conservative said that about a liberal?
00:09:16.000How do we have a country where half the people in the country believe the other half is racist, bigoted, and sexist, but for a corrupt media that you are clueless about?
00:09:25.000He's mad about Fox News, but he's not mad about the fact that Hillary for four years had been running around the country, Charlie, telling anybody who will listen that the 2016 election was stolen.
00:09:36.000She referred to Donald Trump as illegitimate to the point where two-thirds, two-thirds of Democrats incorrectly believe that the Russians changed vote tally.
00:09:45.000The Intel report and Jay Johnson, Obama's Secretary of Homeland Security, all said that there's zero evidence that the Russians changed a single vote tally, yet two-thirds of Democrats believe that they did.
00:09:57.00078% of Democrats, according to Gallup, believe that the Russians changed the outcome of the election, even though our Intel community says we can't determine that one way or the other.
00:10:06.000So who has been spreading a big lie that has gotten a bunch of people believing things that are false?
00:10:11.000Democrats are Republicans, yet Hillary's Facebook has not been shut down.
00:10:15.000Hillary's Twitter has not been shut down.
00:10:17.000She's been promoting a big lie that Republicans, that Democrats have fallen for, hook, line, and sinker, absolutely zero consequences.
00:10:24.000But Donald Trump is considered to be a big liar, and his social media has been shut down because of this.
00:10:32.000Well, and Larry, as long as I have a platform, I'm going to keep on just helping you however you can, because you are one of the few people that just tell it straight on this stuff.
00:10:40.000Because you understand that we're living in this artificial simulation of trying to turn people against each other, being outraged about things that don't actually matter.
00:10:49.000Now, outrage can be helpful if there's something worthy to be outraged about.
00:10:57.000Another example about Obama, because Obama, Charlie, is the most influential, the most powerful black man in America.
00:11:04.000And he knows everything you and I are saying is true.
00:11:07.000I know that he knows that because I remember reading in either Newsweek or Time, I forget which one, a very long piece when Senator Obama decided to run.
00:11:15.000And he brought in all of his homies, David Clough, Axelrod, Valerie Jarrett, all his advisors to ask whether or not he ought to run.
00:11:22.000And they said in this hours-long meeting, race never came up.
00:11:28.000And Charlie, that's because Obama doesn't think of himself as a black man.
00:11:31.000Obama thinks of himself as Barack Hussein Obama, bad dude, the guy that ran for and got elected president of the Harvard Law Review, the guy that ran that wrote an autobiography in his 20s.
00:11:42.000He thinks of himself as a world beater because he is.
00:11:45.000He doesn't think of himself as a black man oppressed.
00:11:48.000He knows everything you and I are saying is true.
00:11:51.000One of the last times I was on CNN, Charlie, I talked about a study poll that CNN did with Time Magazine, 1997, of black teens and white teens.
00:12:01.000And both were asked whether racism is a major problem in America.
00:12:04.000And not too surprisingly, both said yes.
00:12:06.000But then they did a follow-up question, which nobody had ever done before.
00:12:09.000They asked the black teens, Charlie, whether racism was a big problem, a small problem, or no problem in their own daily life.
00:12:16.00089% of black teens said racism is either a small problem or no problem in my own daily life.
00:12:22.000In fact, more black teens than white teens said, quote, failure to take advantage of available opportunities is a bigger problem than racism.
00:12:31.000More black teens said yes to that than did white teens.
00:12:34.000The biggest problem in America is not systemic racism, it's systemic fatherlessness.
00:12:38.000And what we've done in the last 50, 60 years is incentivize women to marry the government, incentivize men to abandon their financial and moral responsibility to the point now where we have 70% of black kids raised without fathers.
00:12:49.000And Obama once said a kid without a father raised without a father is five times more likely to be poor and commit crime, nine times more likely to drop out of school, and 20 times more likely to end up in jail.
00:13:00.000Now, we ought to be having a conversation of how we go from having 25% of black kids born outside of wedlock in 1965 when America was clearly more racist than it is right now to 70% right now.
00:13:10.000And we're not even having that discussion because the left doesn't want to, because that would cause them to rethink their entire philosophy about life, and they cannot do that.
00:13:31.000I'm laughing, Charlie, because I just got a text from a friend of mine about four or five days ago about a speech that Angela Davis gave at UC Davis in 2006.
00:13:41.000And I played part of it on my show on Friday.
00:13:44.000And honestly, this woman is completely, totally unhinged.
00:13:49.000She gave a defense of socialism, called it thwarted.
00:13:52.000The only reason it didn't work is because the dastardly capitalists thwarted it.
00:13:56.000And I'm thinking about her speech, Charlie.
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00:16:18.000Larry, you remember back about 10 years ago where we made Saul Linsky famous and then we made George Soros famous, where we explained to our audiences who's behind this.
00:16:27.000Angela Davis is a major driver behind this.
00:16:29.000And I think we need to make her more famous because, as you said, she's 77 years old.
00:16:35.000She's been, she was a disciple, a student of Herbert Marcuse, who's the original critical race theorist.
00:16:41.000And so you're right, Larry, because Obama was not a student of Marcuse.
00:16:48.000Obama was a little bit skeptical that the racial issue could actually ever get him elected, which is why he thought of himself less as a black man and more as just someone as an insurgent working as a Marxist.
00:17:01.000Angela Davis said, no, we need to focus on skin color.
00:17:04.000Can you talk about, Larry, how our entire American discussion has changed so much?
00:17:09.000It's not to say that the left was like Jesse Jackson tried this and Al Sharpton tried this, but it's at levels we've never seen it before, Larry, right?
00:17:21.000You know, when Obama got elected in 2008, Charlie, I'm old school.
00:17:26.000I had the New York Times and the LA Times at the time still thrown to my house.
00:17:30.000So I go to my front door, I bend over, and I look at these front page of these news newspapers, color photographs of black men and women hugging their children, crying, saying, now, now I can say with a straight face that you can be anything you want to be in America.
00:17:44.000And I said to myself, wow, what would have happened had Obama lost?
00:17:48.000What would they have told their kids then?
00:17:50.000Obama said that racism is in America's DNA.
00:17:55.000In 1938, I think it was the first time, from 1958, first time that Gallup ever asked white Americans, would you vote for a black person for president?
00:18:06.000Fast forward, Charlie, only 3 or 4% now said they would not.
00:18:10.000It is no longer an issue in America, yet Obama said racism is in America's DNA.
00:18:16.000How does it, if racism is in America's DNA, how do we go from 37% of white people saying that they would not, that they would vote for a black person to 97% saying that they would if racism is in America's DNA?
00:18:48.000Is it more important for your party to win to advance your left-wing notions if it is at the expense of telling black people that they're victims, telling black people that they ought not to cooperate with police officers, telling black people if they work hard, it doesn't matter because the systemically racist country was going to hold you back?
00:19:43.000Sharpton had a nice middle-class life until his father abandoned the family and then down to the hood.
00:19:49.000In the case of Farrakhan, Farrakhan's mother had taken, had left her father, had a boyfriend, went back with the father briefly, got pregnant, didn't want the boyfriend to know, and tried to abort Farrakhan with a troat hanger.
00:20:00.000My point in telling you this, Charlie, is that these three leaders have had a painful relationship or no relationship with their own father.
00:20:07.000It is the number one problem facing America.
00:20:10.000They could talk passionately, intimately, and personally about this, but they choose not to.
00:20:15.000And I would argue one of the reasons they can't do it, Charlie, is they are psychologically damaged by not having a father.
00:20:20.000There's a wonderful film we have on SalemNow.com called The Streets Where My Father, eight men, all of whom committed serious offenses, all of whom did long time in prison, all of whom had no relationship with their own father.
00:20:34.000And they talk about the pain and the hurt of all of this.
00:20:37.000It has a, I think, a cathartic ending at the end of it.
00:20:39.000But the point is, these are three men, tough guys, grew up in the hood, grew up hard, no father.
00:20:45.000And they adopted this pose, joined a gang because they needed to have a family.
00:21:34.000Obama, as you point out, buys a compound, $12.7 million in Martha's Vineyard, but it's in Edigertown, which is even more exclusive than Bartha's Vineyard.
00:21:57.000So if America is systemically racist and white people are running this systemically racist system, why is it that these Black people want to be around white people so badly?
00:22:05.000That's the question they have to answer.
00:22:08.000So this week, it seems as if the media, they're so good at setting the narrative.
00:22:12.000I know very little about this, and I'm going to dig into it.
00:22:27.000What's going on here, of course, is this Black Lives Matter movement slash cancel culture slash let's revive history and let's make white people feel guilty about being white.
00:22:36.000Let's make black people feel like they're victims.
00:22:38.000Let's stipulate, let's stipulate that we've had slavery in the country.
00:22:42.000Let's stipulate that we've had prejudice.
00:22:44.000Let's stipulate that we've had race riots like the Tulsa riot that took place in 1921, where apparently around 300, we're not quite sure how many black people were killed by a bunch of racist mobs who were white.
00:22:55.000Let's stipulate that all that happened.
00:22:57.000Let's also stipulate that nobody living today had anything to do with it.
00:23:02.000And the black people living today were not victims.
00:23:04.000The whole thing about reparations is the extraction of money from people who were never slave owners to be given to people who are never slaves.
00:23:11.000The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous.
00:23:14.000When MLK gave a speech, gave an interview to the BBC around 1964-ish, he said, 66-ish.
00:23:23.000He said, I am so amazed at the racial progress that's going on in America to the point where I feel in about 40 years' time, there could be a black American, there could be a black president.
00:23:33.000And the reason I mentioned that is because that's when he felt that we had reached the promised land, when America can set aside its racist past and pull that lever for a black person.
00:23:42.000That's what he thought was the summit.
00:23:45.000Well, it almost happened exactly what he said, 2008, about 40 years after MLK made that statement, Barack Obama got elected president.
00:23:54.000I thought it suggested that our problems have to do with class, have to do with family structure, have to do with things that have nothing whatever to do with racist white people.
00:24:19.000Do we still have 25% of young black men living in the inner city with a criminal record, either in jail, having been arrested on parole or on probation?
00:24:27.000If the answer is yes, yes, yes, then I submit to you that ridding America of its alleged systemic racism is not the problem.
00:24:34.000The problem are there are other problems that I just now mentioned.
00:24:36.000Well, and Larry, what it gets down to is what they call racist or white supremacist is something they actually want to destroy, which is the nuclear family.
00:24:46.000And let's talk about this because it was on BLM's website.
00:24:49.000But an inherent Marxist belief, and if you dive deep into the literature of Angela Davis and all these con artists, Tahanisi Coates, they actually think a child should be raised in the African style of the village, that sexuality should not be contained to just a husband or a wife, but it should be an open or loose.
00:25:09.000That there's this, from some of the black liberation activists, some of them, they actually think that the normative Western family, that you were raised by a great father and I was raised by a great father, that that's actually oppressive.
00:25:55.000And Walter Williams told me that he was the only person in his area when he grew up who didn't have a father in the house.
00:26:02.000In the case of Thomas Sowell, Thomas Sowell lost both of his parents early.
00:26:06.000Mother when he was two or three years old, father around the same age.
00:26:09.000He was raised by aunts and uncles in Harlem.
00:26:12.000He said he was the only one in his area where he grew up who didn't have a mother and the father in the house.
00:26:19.000Now, from years ago, I read a story about you can go somewhere online and look at this interactive map and find out all the people who are registered as sex offenders in your neighborhood.
00:26:31.000Now, I live in a very nice neighborhood in the west side of LA, Charlie.
00:26:34.000So I assume there would be very few red dots on the map.
00:26:41.000There were that many sex offenders living in my general area.
00:26:44.000If there were such a map, Charlie, where you could put a little red dot in an area where there was a home with no father and children, I I would submit to you, they would be like red paint somewhere.
00:26:56.000I submit to you, there is as much damage done by households where there's no father than there is by households where there's a registered sex offender.
00:27:03.000Because when you have no father in the household and you have poor values and you spread those poor values to other people who don't have fathers in the household, you reinforce it and it becomes this thing that Obama talked about about crime, about dropouts, about being non-economically productive in our society.
00:27:23.000And I bet you anything, if people could tell whether or not there was a neighborhood that they're thinking about moving into where a majority of them don't have fathers in the house and they had an option of a similarly economically situated neighborhood where the majority of the kids had fathers in the house, they would choose the latter and not the former.
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00:29:19.000What they'd say is, oh, well, we need to destroy private property and we have to destroy commerce and then everything is going to get into this state of harmony.
00:29:26.000Where you and I actually believe that the family, the ancestral tradition of raising children with discipline, order, purpose, truth, it's worked rather well.
00:29:38.000And that they're the outlier to actually being able to raise good children.
00:29:42.000That BLM and this black liberation nonsense has actually caused America to be more chaotic and quite honestly a tragedy that's happened in black America.
00:31:04.000Don't have a kid until you get married or until you're at least committed to the woman and make sure you don't do it before you're 20 years old.
00:31:12.000And I would add one more that the late Walter Williams said: avoid the criminal justice system.
00:31:16.000So if you want to escape poverty, finish high school, don't have a kid before you're 20, make sure you're married first, get a job, and avoid the criminal justice system.
00:32:05.000Donald Trump got a higher percentage of the black vote than he did four years earlier.
00:32:09.00081% of black people want the police manpower to remain the same or to even increase.
00:32:14.000I think there's a growing dissatisfaction with K through 12.
00:32:17.000I think the pandemic has shown a lot of black parents the quality of the education their kids are getting, and they're not impressed.
00:32:25.000So I think there is a growing anger on the part of a lot of black people to begin to rethink some of their assumptions, which is why I think the Republican Party is going to do far, far better going forward.
00:32:34.000But the primary thing is to tell the truth.
00:32:37.000Stand your ground, especially you white people.
00:32:40.000I wrote a book 20 years ago called The 10 Things You Can't Say in America.
00:32:43.000My first chapter is blacks are more racist than whites.
00:32:46.000My second chapter is white condescension is as bad as black racism.
00:32:49.000And that is when white people are falsely accused of being racist.
00:32:52.000Rather than defend yourself, and mention some of the stats that I've mentioned, white people go fetal and just accept it and take it.
00:32:59.000And therefore, they give the black person who made the comment the impression that the comment was just and true, when in fact it wasn't.
00:33:10.000You know, the stats have shown that the police kill more unarmed whites every year than unarmed blacks.
00:33:15.000There's been studies done by professors at Washington State over a number of years, three different studies, each time the same result.
00:33:23.000The cops are three times more hesitant, more reluctant to pull the trigger on a black suspect than a white suspect.
00:33:29.000And the CDC found that in the last 50, 60 years, the rate at which the police have killed blacks has declined almost 75%, while the rate at which the police have killed whites has pretty much flatlined.
00:33:40.000It is a lie that's getting people killed.
00:33:42.000And if more black people knew this, I think things would turn around.
00:35:34.000And be sure and check out Uncle Tom on YouTube, on iTunes, on Amazon Prime, and also in Salem Now, as you pointed out.
00:35:43.000And I really urge people to watch that movie called The Streets Were My Father.
00:35:47.000It's an extraordinary, jaw-dropping movie that will really change minds, especially for those of you who grew up without a father and you're angry at the white man because you believe that your problem is systemic racism.
00:37:40.000Teacher talked about how this is going to permanently scar this guy who's going to always be psychologically scarred, always going to think of himself as a second-class citizen.
00:37:47.000Now, remember, my mother always told me, nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission.
00:37:51.000So I went home that day and I said to my mom, we read a poem in class.
00:37:55.000She was stirring a big pot of greens in the kitchen and frying some chicken.
00:38:37.000There's a book that I wrote about my relationship with my father called Dear Father, Dear Son, where I had an eight-hour conversation with the SLB because he and I did not get along.
00:38:46.000And when I was 15 years old, we had a fight.
00:38:49.000I didn't speak with him to him for 10 years.
00:38:52.000By not speaking to him, I mean not have a meaningful conversation with the guy for 10 years.
00:38:56.000It wasn't like he abandoned the family or he was an alcoholic or anything like that.
00:39:08.000Eight hours, I found out that the man was kicked out of the house.
00:39:11.000He was 13 years old by his irresponsible mother who could neither read nor write.
00:39:15.000My father does not know who his biological father is.
00:39:18.000My last name, Elder, is the name of some dude who was in his life the longest who was an alcoholic who physically abused his mother and physically abused him when he tried to stop it.
00:39:27.000My father left home, Jim Crow South, at the beginning of the Great Depression, eighth-grade education, never went back to school until he went back to school in his 30s to get his GED.
00:39:38.000He walked down the road, did anything he could, ended up becoming a Pullman porter on the trains.
00:39:42.000They were the largest private employer in those days.
00:39:45.000And he came out to California on a run.
00:39:48.000And Charlie, it was sunny and people seemed less racist.
00:39:51.000My dad was able to walk into a restaurant in the front door and get some food.
00:40:32.000They tell him he doesn't have any references.
00:40:34.000He goes to an unemployment office, this time, just one door, and he takes the first job he can get cleaning toilets.
00:40:40.000My dad did that for 10 years, took a second job cleaning toilets at another company, went to night school to get his GED, and went to training school to learn how to run a restaurant.
00:40:49.000Started a restaurant in his late 40s, which he ran until he was 82 years old.
00:40:54.000And my father, who was a lifelong Republican, always told my brothers and me, Democrats want to give you something for nothing.
00:41:00.000When you try and get something for nothing, you almost always end up getting nothing for something.