The Charlie Kirk Show - Exposing the Lies of America's Race Hustlers with Larry Elder

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00:02:12.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:15.000 Back with us is one of my favorite guests and a friend of mine, Larry Elder, who is also a Salem Radio Network host and just a terrific guy.

00:02:24.000 Larry, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:26.000 Charlie, thank you so much for having me.

00:02:28.000 Am I overdressed?

00:02:29.000 You are perfectly dressed.

00:02:31.000 I think I am underdressed, but at the same time.

00:02:34.000 Hey, I got to put on a student tie as Charlie.

00:02:37.000 That's right.

00:02:37.000 Well, you're very kind.

00:02:39.000 So, Larry, I wish we could talk about other topics, but it seems that the left wants to start a race war in our country.

00:02:45.000 And over the last year, we've seen the rise of BLM Incorporated.

00:02:48.000 We saw it well before that, but they had a rather roller coaster year.

00:02:53.000 What would you say is the state of affairs with BLM and what they're trying to do?

00:02:58.000 Do you think that we've made some progress in properly categorizing them?

00:03:02.000 There are polls that show that they're less popular than ever before.

00:03:06.000 Take it over.

00:03:07.000 Well, the whole premise, of course, behind Black Lives Matter is that America is systemically racist.

00:03:13.000 And what really gave the movement a lot of juice was after Michael Brown was killed in Ferguson.

00:03:18.000 And of course, Michael Brown did not have his hands up to not say don't shoot.

00:03:22.000 The officer who was involved was completely exonerated.

00:03:25.000 And the big takeaway as far as Black Lives Matter is concerned is that the Obama administration determined that the Ferguson PD was, quote, institutionally racist, close quote.

00:03:33.000 How did they make that determination?

00:03:34.000 Well, Ferguson is 67% black, and 85% of those who are pulled over in Traffic Stops are black.

00:03:40.000 18-point Gap Ergo of this predominantly white police station is engaging in systemic racism, according to the Obama administration. 0.72

00:03:47.000 The problem with that, Charlie, is that let's go across the coast and look at the NYPD, which is majority minority.

00:03:53.000 25% of the people living in New York are black. 0.84

00:03:56.000 55% of those pulled over in Traffic Stopped are black. 0.96

00:03:59.000 A 30-point gap, a bigger gap than the gap in Ferguson, yet the NYPD is majority people of color, which shows you that that stat is completely, totally useless. 0.90

00:04:08.000 It doesn't tell you anything about race of offending.

00:04:10.000 And during the Obama administration, they did a study called Race and Traffic Stop, came out in 2013, and it turned out that blacks were, in fact, disproportionately pulled over compared to whites.

00:04:20.000 It is also true that you name the traffic offense, whether it's speeding, driving without a license, driving without headlights on, driving with a retired tag, driving without a proper child safety seat in the back.

00:04:35.000 You name the offense, a black motorist was more likely to commit it than a white motorist. 0.61

00:04:39.000 And the Obama administration concluded that the disproportionate stops had to do with, quote, legitimate factors, close quote. 0.54

00:04:45.000 The whole narrative, Charlie, is a lie.

00:04:48.000 And some lies are innocent.

00:04:49.000 For example, most people believe if you put a frog in a pot of water and bring the water up very, very slowly till it's boiling hot, the frog will die.

00:04:57.000 It's not true.

00:04:59.000 When the water gets hot, the frog jumps out.

00:05:01.000 The fact that a lot of people believe that is neither here nor there.

00:05:04.000 The fact that a lot of people believe the systemic racism lie is a big here and or there because what happens is officers pull back after being falsely accused of racism.

00:05:12.000 Bad guys know it.

00:05:14.000 They act out. 0.99

00:05:14.000 The people who are hurt, of course, are the very black and brown people that the Black Lives Matter proponents claim that they care about. 0.99

00:05:21.000 And the other thing that happens, Charlie, is this.

00:05:23.000 If you're a young black man and you're given a steady diet of racism, you're told by people like Barack Obama that racism is in America's DNA.

00:05:32.000 You're told by people like Eric Holder that America engages in pernicious racism.

00:05:37.000 Why shouldn't you believe that when you're being pulled over, the cop's going to do something bad to you?

00:05:41.000 Why should you cooperate?

00:05:42.000 Why should you comply?

00:05:43.000 And as a result, virtually every single one of these incidents that would have been avoided had the suspect/slash civilian complied ended up becoming DEF CON one, largely because young black men are being told falsely that the cops are out to get them.

00:05:57.000 And so, and even also, Larry, it's important to note, which is blacks are more likely to commit crimes in the sense that not because of their color of their skin, but because of lower socioeconomic conditions, which you and I have talked about.

00:06:11.000 But is there some truth, Larry, that they're actually, it's not that they're pulled over more because they're black, it's more police encounters and more police interactions.

00:06:23.000 And that statistic that used in Ferguson, for example, and then you compare it with New York City, which is a phenomenal way of framing it, that this has very little to do with race at all, actually.

00:06:33.000 And Heather McDonald has talked a lot about this.

00:06:35.000 Can you talk about how we should look just more broadly than just the color of people's skin, but socioeconomic factors, fatherlessness?

00:06:43.000 Because it seems we have such a sloppy discussion when it comes to this.

00:06:48.000 Absolutely.

00:06:49.000 Let's just talk about George Floyd for a second.

00:06:51.000 We've had four months, as you know, of protests in the streets, including riots, including instances where people were killed, all because of the assumption that whatever happened to George Floyd happened because Derek Chauvin is a racist.

00:07:04.000 Well, after the conviction of Derek Chauvin, the Minnesota AG, Keith Ellison, who brought the charges, was asked by CBS whether or not race had anything to do with it.

00:07:13.000 Why didn't you bring hate charges?

00:07:15.000 And he said, if we could have determined that race was a factor, we would have brought charges.

00:07:19.000 We could not determine that race was a factor at all in what Derek Chauvin did.

00:07:24.000 Well, do you think the people in the streets are upset because of a bad police tactic, or are they upset because what they perceived to be another instances of another example of systemic racism?

00:07:34.000 And the answer is door number two.

00:07:36.000 Well, the AG just told you that race had nothing to do with what Derek Chauvin did.

00:07:40.000 Isn't that good news?

00:07:42.000 Doesn't that mean we're having a discussion now about police tactics as opposed to about systemic racism?

00:07:47.000 The whole thing, again, is a lie.

00:07:49.000 You know, I was just reading an interview that Barack Obama did with the New York Times.

00:07:53.000 And Obama said, you know, there was a time when I was running in 2007, 2008, when I could go to a small southern town.

00:08:00.000 And while I have a funny last name and while my middle name is Hussein, I was still able to get a hearing.

00:08:05.000 And usually what would happen is they would write a nice piece after I left and said, well, the guy is left-wing.

00:08:10.000 I won't vote for him, but he was a nice man.

00:08:11.000 You can't do that now because of Fox News.

00:08:14.000 I almost lost my oatmeal, Charlie.

00:08:17.000 Is this guy this oblivious to the fact that they've got ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, virtually all the major professional associations, whether it's the American Bar Association or the American Medical Association, the NBA, all of big tech, New York Times, LA Times, I could go on and on and on.

00:08:36.000 And this guy is so oblivious, he believes that the fact that Fox News and conservative radio exist means that conservatives therefore are completely, totally misled about everything.

00:08:46.000 This guy has no clue that 83% of Democrats believe that Donald Trump is a racist.

00:08:54.000 How does that happen, Charlie?

00:08:55.000 How does it happen that 61% of Democrats believe that all Republicans are racist, sexist, bigoted, where only half that number of Republicans feel that way about Democrats?

00:09:05.000 How does it happen that if you are a freshman in Dartmouth and you're a liberal, you're more likely to say you don't want to room with a conservative than a conservative said that about a liberal?

00:09:14.000 How does that happen, Barack Obama?

00:09:16.000 How do we have a country where half the people in the country believe the other half is racist, bigoted, and sexist, but for a corrupt media that you are clueless about?

00:09:25.000 He's mad about Fox News, but he's not mad about the fact that Hillary for four years had been running around the country, Charlie, telling anybody who will listen that the 2016 election was stolen.

00:09:34.000 She's used the S-word, stolen.

00:09:36.000 She referred to Donald Trump as illegitimate to the point where two-thirds, two-thirds of Democrats incorrectly believe that the Russians changed vote tally.

00:09:45.000 The Intel report and Jay Johnson, Obama's Secretary of Homeland Security, all said that there's zero evidence that the Russians changed a single vote tally, yet two-thirds of Democrats believe that they did.

00:09:57.000 78% of Democrats, according to Gallup, believe that the Russians changed the outcome of the election, even though our Intel community says we can't determine that one way or the other.

00:10:06.000 So who has been spreading a big lie that has gotten a bunch of people believing things that are false?

00:10:11.000 Democrats are Republicans, yet Hillary's Facebook has not been shut down.

00:10:15.000 Hillary's Twitter has not been shut down. 0.97

00:10:17.000 She's been promoting a big lie that Republicans, that Democrats have fallen for, hook, line, and sinker, absolutely zero consequences. 0.94

00:10:24.000 But Donald Trump is considered to be a big liar, and his social media has been shut down because of this. 0.97

00:10:29.000 This is just such BS, Charlie. 0.99

00:10:30.000 I don't know what to say.

00:10:31.000 I don't know where to go.

00:10:32.000 Well, and Larry, as long as I have a platform, I'm going to keep on just helping you however you can, because you are one of the few people that just tell it straight on this stuff.

00:10:40.000 Because you understand that we're living in this artificial simulation of trying to turn people against each other, being outraged about things that don't actually matter.

00:10:49.000 Now, outrage can be helpful if there's something worthy to be outraged about.

00:10:55.000 But those are very rare.

00:10:57.000 Another example about Obama, because Obama, Charlie, is the most influential, the most powerful black man in America.

00:11:04.000 And he knows everything you and I are saying is true.

00:11:07.000 I know that he knows that because I remember reading in either Newsweek or Time, I forget which one, a very long piece when Senator Obama decided to run.

00:11:15.000 And he brought in all of his homies, David Clough, Axelrod, Valerie Jarrett, all his advisors to ask whether or not he ought to run.

00:11:22.000 And they said in this hours-long meeting, race never came up.

00:11:28.000 And Charlie, that's because Obama doesn't think of himself as a black man.

00:11:31.000 Obama thinks of himself as Barack Hussein Obama, bad dude, the guy that ran for and got elected president of the Harvard Law Review, the guy that ran that wrote an autobiography in his 20s.

00:11:42.000 He thinks of himself as a world beater because he is. 0.79

00:11:45.000 He doesn't think of himself as a black man oppressed.

00:11:48.000 He knows everything you and I are saying is true.

00:11:51.000 One of the last times I was on CNN, Charlie, I talked about a study poll that CNN did with Time Magazine, 1997, of black teens and white teens.

00:12:01.000 And both were asked whether racism is a major problem in America.

00:12:04.000 And not too surprisingly, both said yes.

00:12:06.000 But then they did a follow-up question, which nobody had ever done before.

00:12:09.000 They asked the black teens, Charlie, whether racism was a big problem, a small problem, or no problem in their own daily life.

00:12:15.000 1997.

00:12:16.000 89% of black teens said racism is either a small problem or no problem in my own daily life.

00:12:22.000 In fact, more black teens than white teens said, quote, failure to take advantage of available opportunities is a bigger problem than racism.

00:12:31.000 More black teens said yes to that than did white teens.

00:12:34.000 The biggest problem in America is not systemic racism, it's systemic fatherlessness. 0.76

00:12:38.000 And what we've done in the last 50, 60 years is incentivize women to marry the government, incentivize men to abandon their financial and moral responsibility to the point now where we have 70% of black kids raised without fathers. 0.66

00:12:49.000 And Obama once said a kid without a father raised without a father is five times more likely to be poor and commit crime, nine times more likely to drop out of school, and 20 times more likely to end up in jail. 0.63

00:13:00.000 Now, we ought to be having a conversation of how we go from having 25% of black kids born outside of wedlock in 1965 when America was clearly more racist than it is right now to 70% right now.

00:13:10.000 And we're not even having that discussion because the left doesn't want to, because that would cause them to rethink their entire philosophy about life, and they cannot do that.

00:13:18.000 Right.

00:13:18.000 And so that's what I really want to focus on.

00:13:20.000 There's so many different ways we could take this.

00:13:22.000 In a lot of different ways, we're almost playing in Angela Davis's world.

00:13:26.000 You know, Angela Davis.

00:13:28.000 She's been on this for you.

00:13:31.000 I'm laughing, Charlie, because I just got a text from a friend of mine about four or five days ago about a speech that Angela Davis gave at UC Davis in 2006.

00:13:41.000 And I played part of it on my show on Friday.

00:13:44.000 And honestly, this woman is completely, totally unhinged.

00:13:49.000 She gave a defense of socialism, called it thwarted. 0.94

00:13:52.000 The only reason it didn't work is because the dastardly capitalists thwarted it.

00:13:56.000 And I'm thinking about her speech, Charlie.

00:13:59.000 And you look at the squad.

00:14:00.000 These are members probably in their early to mid-30s.

00:14:03.000 They were 15, 16, 17 years old when people like Angela Davis gave speeches at colleges and high schools. 0.98

00:14:11.000 So they heard all this crap. 0.99

00:14:13.000 They heard all of this systemic racism nonsense. 1.00

00:14:15.000 They heard all of this unequal nonsense because of capitalism.

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00:14:27.000 They grew up with this nonsense and now they are advancing public policy along those lines.

00:14:32.000 It is really, really scary.

00:14:34.000 I call it the excess of indoctrination.

00:14:36.000 Hollywood media academia, they've taken over America and we are in a war.

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00:16:18.000 Larry, you remember back about 10 years ago where we made Saul Linsky famous and then we made George Soros famous, where we explained to our audiences who's behind this.

00:16:27.000 Angela Davis is a major driver behind this.

00:16:29.000 And I think we need to make her more famous because, as you said, she's 77 years old.

00:16:35.000 She's been, she was a disciple, a student of Herbert Marcuse, who's the original critical race theorist.

00:16:41.000 And so you're right, Larry, because Obama was not a student of Marcuse.

00:16:44.000 He wasn't.

00:16:46.000 Obama was a student of Alinsky.

00:16:48.000 Obama was a little bit skeptical that the racial issue could actually ever get him elected, which is why he thought of himself less as a black man and more as just someone as an insurgent working as a Marxist.

00:17:01.000 Angela Davis said, no, we need to focus on skin color.

00:17:04.000 Can you talk about, Larry, how our entire American discussion has changed so much?

00:17:09.000 It's not to say that the left was like Jesse Jackson tried this and Al Sharpton tried this, but it's at levels we've never seen it before, Larry, right?

00:17:17.000 That it really is.

00:17:19.000 And can you unpack that?

00:17:21.000 You know, when Obama got elected in 2008, Charlie, I'm old school.

00:17:26.000 I had the New York Times and the LA Times at the time still thrown to my house.

00:17:30.000 So I go to my front door, I bend over, and I look at these front page of these news newspapers, color photographs of black men and women hugging their children, crying, saying, now, now I can say with a straight face that you can be anything you want to be in America.

00:17:44.000 And I said to myself, wow, what would have happened had Obama lost?

00:17:48.000 What would they have told their kids then?

00:17:50.000 Obama said that racism is in America's DNA.

00:17:53.000 He said that after he got elected.

00:17:55.000 In 1938, I think it was the first time, from 1958, first time that Gallup ever asked white Americans, would you vote for a black person for president?

00:18:04.000 Only 37% said yes.

00:18:06.000 Fast forward, Charlie, only 3 or 4% now said they would not.

00:18:10.000 It is no longer an issue in America, yet Obama said racism is in America's DNA.

00:18:16.000 How does it, if racism is in America's DNA, how do we go from 37% of white people saying that they would not, that they would vote for a black person to 97% saying that they would if racism is in America's DNA?

00:18:26.000 It is a BS lie.

00:18:28.000 And the problem is this.

00:18:30.000 Obama knows it's a lie.

00:18:32.000 And Obama and I were in a closed room together and nobody could hear what we were talking about.

00:18:36.000 Obama would be nodding his head at everything you and I are saying.

00:18:40.000 What he can't do is say it out loud because he wants his party to win.

00:18:45.000 Now, my question to Mr. Obama is this.

00:18:47.000 I know he's watching.

00:18:48.000 Is it more important for your party to win to advance your left-wing notions if it is at the expense of telling black people that they're victims, telling black people that they ought not to cooperate with police officers, telling black people if they work hard, it doesn't matter because the systemically racist country was going to hold you back?

00:19:04.000 Is it worth it, Barack Obama?

00:19:06.000 Are you telling your daughters that they are oppressed?

00:19:09.000 Is that the message you're giving them?

00:19:11.000 It is a lie.

00:19:13.000 And he knows it's a lie.

00:19:15.000 The three arguably biggest so-called black leaders aside from Obama in America are Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Louis Farrakhan.

00:19:23.000 All three of these men have had either no relationships or a bad relationship with their own father.

00:19:28.000 Jesse Jackson's father was the married man who impregnated a teenager who lived next door.

00:19:33.000 And it was rare in those days for a kid to be raised without a father.

00:19:37.000 And Jesse Jackson was raised in South Carolina and he was taunted.

00:19:40.000 Jesse ain't got no daddy.

00:19:41.000 Jesse ain't got no daddy.

00:19:42.000 Al Sharpton.

00:19:43.000 Sharpton had a nice middle-class life until his father abandoned the family and then down to the hood. 0.81

00:19:49.000 In the case of Farrakhan, Farrakhan's mother had taken, had left her father, had a boyfriend, went back with the father briefly, got pregnant, didn't want the boyfriend to know, and tried to abort Farrakhan with a troat hanger. 0.62

00:20:00.000 My point in telling you this, Charlie, is that these three leaders have had a painful relationship or no relationship with their own father. 0.74

00:20:07.000 It is the number one problem facing America.

00:20:10.000 They could talk passionately, intimately, and personally about this, but they choose not to.

00:20:15.000 And I would argue one of the reasons they can't do it, Charlie, is they are psychologically damaged by not having a father.

00:20:20.000 There's a wonderful film we have on SalemNow.com called The Streets Where My Father, eight men, all of whom committed serious offenses, all of whom did long time in prison, all of whom had no relationship with their own father.

00:20:34.000 And they talk about the pain and the hurt of all of this.

00:20:37.000 It has a, I think, a cathartic ending at the end of it.

00:20:39.000 But the point is, these are three men, tough guys, grew up in the hood, grew up hard, no father.

00:20:45.000 And they adopted this pose, joined a gang because they needed to have a family.

00:20:48.000 They wanted to have a family.

00:20:49.000 And one man cries and breaks down and talks about how he wanted this.

00:20:53.000 This is the number one problem facing America, Charlie, not systemic racism.

00:20:57.000 Again, systemic fatherlessness.

00:20:58.000 And we're not having a conversation about this.

00:21:00.000 Well, they don't want to have a conversation for a couple of reasons.

00:21:03.000 And Obama and all them, they're just playing a part.

00:21:08.000 They just want power.

00:21:09.000 They just want to be in charge.

00:21:11.000 And you know they don't believe what they believe because they go live in Martha's Vineyard when they get the chance, right?

00:21:17.000 I mean, you know that.

00:21:18.000 And so how about Reverend Jeremiah Wright?

00:21:21.000 Reverend Jeremiah Wright making all kinds of anti-white, anti-Jewish statements.

00:21:25.000 And when he retires, his congregation passes the hat and buys a house for him in Tinley Park outside of Chicago.

00:21:32.000 Black population, 1.92%.

00:21:34.000 Obama, as you point out, buys a compound, $12.7 million in Martha's Vineyard, but it's in Edigertown, which is even more exclusive than Bartha's Vineyard.

00:21:45.000 0.4% black population.

00:21:47.000 Patriots Colors, co-founder of Black Lives Matter, buys a mansion in Topanga Canyon out here in California, 30 miles away from Malibu.

00:21:55.000 0.4% Black. 0.66

00:21:57.000 So if America is systemically racist and white people are running this systemically racist system, why is it that these Black people want to be around white people so badly? 0.92

00:22:05.000 That's the question they have to answer. 0.94

00:22:08.000 So this week, it seems as if the media, they're so good at setting the narrative.

00:22:12.000 I know very little about this, and I'm going to dig into it.

00:22:15.000 This Tulsa race issue.

00:22:18.000 Larry, tell us what's going on here.

00:22:20.000 Why all of a sudden is there a documentary on this?

00:22:23.000 And it's a day of remembrance.

00:22:25.000 What's going on here? 0.93

00:22:27.000 What's going on here, of course, is this Black Lives Matter movement slash cancel culture slash let's revive history and let's make white people feel guilty about being white. 0.97

00:22:36.000 Let's make black people feel like they're victims. 0.94

00:22:38.000 Let's stipulate, let's stipulate that we've had slavery in the country. 0.87

00:22:42.000 Let's stipulate that we've had prejudice.

00:22:44.000 Let's stipulate that we've had race riots like the Tulsa riot that took place in 1921, where apparently around 300, we're not quite sure how many black people were killed by a bunch of racist mobs who were white.

00:22:55.000 Let's stipulate that all that happened.

00:22:57.000 Let's also stipulate that nobody living today had anything to do with it.

00:23:00.000 They weren't perpetrators.

00:23:02.000 And the black people living today were not victims.

00:23:04.000 The whole thing about reparations is the extraction of money from people who were never slave owners to be given to people who are never slaves. 0.98

00:23:11.000 The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous.

00:23:14.000 When MLK gave a speech, gave an interview to the BBC around 1964-ish, he said, 66-ish. 0.97

00:23:23.000 He said, I am so amazed at the racial progress that's going on in America to the point where I feel in about 40 years' time, there could be a black American, there could be a black president.

00:23:33.000 And the reason I mentioned that is because that's when he felt that we had reached the promised land, when America can set aside its racist past and pull that lever for a black person.

00:23:42.000 That's what he thought was the summit.

00:23:45.000 Well, it almost happened exactly what he said, 2008, about 40 years after MLK made that statement, Barack Obama got elected president.

00:23:52.000 I thought we were done with this.

00:23:54.000 I thought it suggested that our problems have to do with class, have to do with family structure, have to do with things that have nothing whatever to do with racist white people.

00:24:02.000 And I've said this before, Charlie.

00:24:04.000 Pick up your magic wand, wave it over America, and remove every smidgen of racism from the hearts of white America.

00:24:10.000 Do we still have 70% of black kids being born without a father married to the mother?

00:24:14.000 Yes.

00:24:15.000 Do we still have a 50% dropout rate in many of our urban high schools?

00:24:18.000 Yes.

00:24:19.000 Do we still have 25% of young black men living in the inner city with a criminal record, either in jail, having been arrested on parole or on probation?

00:24:26.000 Yes.

00:24:27.000 If the answer is yes, yes, yes, then I submit to you that ridding America of its alleged systemic racism is not the problem.

00:24:34.000 The problem are there are other problems that I just now mentioned.

00:24:36.000 Well, and Larry, what it gets down to is what they call racist or white supremacist is something they actually want to destroy, which is the nuclear family.

00:24:46.000 And let's talk about this because it was on BLM's website.

00:24:49.000 But an inherent Marxist belief, and if you dive deep into the literature of Angela Davis and all these con artists, Tahanisi Coates, they actually think a child should be raised in the African style of the village, that sexuality should not be contained to just a husband or a wife, but it should be an open or loose.

00:25:08.000 Can you talk about this?

00:25:09.000 That there's this, from some of the black liberation activists, some of them, they actually think that the normative Western family, that you were raised by a great father and I was raised by a great father, that that's actually oppressive.

00:25:25.000 Can you help unpack that?

00:25:27.000 Well, that's right.

00:25:28.000 I think it was on one of their websites.

00:25:29.000 They even attacked what they called the Western construct of a nuclear family.

00:25:35.000 Western prescribed.

00:25:36.000 Yeah.

00:25:37.000 Where they feel that the means of production, businesses, should be owned by the state.

00:25:40.000 They also feel that you and I should be owned by the state.

00:25:42.000 Two of my good friends were the late Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell, who thankfully is still with us.

00:25:50.000 Walter Williams grew up in Philadelphia in the hood.

00:25:53.000 His father abandoned the family.

00:25:55.000 And Walter Williams told me that he was the only person in his area when he grew up who didn't have a father in the house.

00:26:02.000 In the case of Thomas Sowell, Thomas Sowell lost both of his parents early.

00:26:06.000 Mother when he was two or three years old, father around the same age.

00:26:09.000 He was raised by aunts and uncles in Harlem.

00:26:12.000 He said he was the only one in his area where he grew up who didn't have a mother and the father in the house.

00:26:19.000 Now, from years ago, I read a story about you can go somewhere online and look at this interactive map and find out all the people who are registered as sex offenders in your neighborhood.

00:26:31.000 Now, I live in a very nice neighborhood in the west side of LA, Charlie.

00:26:34.000 So I assume there would be very few red dots on the map.

00:26:36.000 So I went to check out my zip code.

00:26:38.000 I was amazed.

00:26:40.000 It looked like the map had measles.

00:26:41.000 There were that many sex offenders living in my general area.

00:26:44.000 If there were such a map, Charlie, where you could put a little red dot in an area where there was a home with no father and children, I I would submit to you, they would be like red paint somewhere.

00:26:56.000 I submit to you, there is as much damage done by households where there's no father than there is by households where there's a registered sex offender.

00:27:03.000 Because when you have no father in the household and you have poor values and you spread those poor values to other people who don't have fathers in the household, you reinforce it and it becomes this thing that Obama talked about about crime, about dropouts, about being non-economically productive in our society.

00:27:20.000 But we have no way of telling that.

00:27:23.000 And I bet you anything, if people could tell whether or not there was a neighborhood that they're thinking about moving into where a majority of them don't have fathers in the house and they had an option of a similarly economically situated neighborhood where the majority of the kids had fathers in the house, they would choose the latter and not the former.

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00:29:01.000 It's a very, it's a very, not just unproven, but dangerous motive.

00:29:05.000 And we must understand this: that they think that fathers are actually bad, that they're actually, they're winning. 0.83

00:29:12.000 And, you know, if I ever had a chance to talk to BLM, I'd say, wait a second, you already got 70% of black families.

00:29:18.000 How are they doing without a father?

00:29:19.000 What they'd say is, oh, well, we need to destroy private property and we have to destroy commerce and then everything is going to get into this state of harmony.

00:29:26.000 Where you and I actually believe that the family, the ancestral tradition of raising children with discipline, order, purpose, truth, it's worked rather well.

00:29:38.000 And that they're the outlier to actually being able to raise good children. 1.00

00:29:42.000 That BLM and this black liberation nonsense has actually caused America to be more chaotic and quite honestly a tragedy that's happened in black America. 0.98

00:29:52.000 How do we reverse this, Larry? 1.00

00:29:53.000 I'm sure you get asked this all the time.

00:29:56.000 Tell the truth.

00:29:57.000 Tell the truth.

00:29:58.000 In 1940, clearly when America was far more racist than it is right now, 87% of blacks live below the federally defined level of poverty.

00:30:06.000 20 years later, Charlie, in 1960, that number had fallen to 47%.

00:30:10.000 That's a 40-point drop in poverty in a 20-year period of time.

00:30:14.000 The greatest 20-year period of economic expansion in the history of Black America.

00:30:18.000 And that was before the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 65, the Open Housing Act of 68, all of which were important.

00:30:25.000 The point is, despite the racism, despite the Jim Crow, Black people still kept going forward.

00:30:32.000 Similarly, during that period of time, you also had high rates of children being born with a father and the mother in the house.

00:30:39.000 The welfare state, again, has incentivized women to do the opposite. 0.75

00:30:43.000 And that's where we are right now. 0.57

00:30:44.000 We ought to be having a discussion about the welfare state.

00:30:47.000 We ought to be having a discussion about vouchers K through 12.

00:30:50.000 There is a think tank on the left called the Brookings Institution.

00:30:54.000 They're really left-wing, and they have something called the Millennial Success Sequence.

00:31:02.000 Finish high school. 0.73

00:31:04.000 Don't have a kid until you get married or until you're at least committed to the woman and make sure you don't do it before you're 20 years old. 0.96

00:31:10.000 Get a job, keep that job. 0.78

00:31:12.000 And I would add one more that the late Walter Williams said: avoid the criminal justice system.

00:31:16.000 So if you want to escape poverty, finish high school, don't have a kid before you're 20, make sure you're married first, get a job, and avoid the criminal justice system.

00:31:24.000 You will not be poor.

00:31:26.000 And the Brookings Institution did not say that this formula only applies to white people.

00:31:30.000 It applies to everybody.

00:31:32.000 That's what Black Lives Matter. 0.99

00:31:33.000 That's what Obama, that's what Joe Biden ought to be telling Black people, but they're not.

00:31:37.000 They're telling Black people they're victims because they want that 95% near monolithic black vote without which they cannot win. 0.58

00:31:43.000 So Larry, you know, just as we close this conversation, why is it that Black America has yet to wake up?

00:31:50.000 Trump moved it a little bit in that direction.

00:31:52.000 Is it because Republicans aren't showing up?

00:31:54.000 Is it just because it's so, it's just within the traditional black community to vote Democrat?

00:32:00.000 What do we have to do to kind of reverse that trend?

00:32:03.000 Well, I think the trend is reversing.

00:32:05.000 Donald Trump got a higher percentage of the black vote than he did four years earlier.

00:32:09.000 81% of black people want the police manpower to remain the same or to even increase. 0.52

00:32:14.000 I think there's a growing dissatisfaction with K through 12.

00:32:17.000 I think the pandemic has shown a lot of black parents the quality of the education their kids are getting, and they're not impressed.

00:32:25.000 So I think there is a growing anger on the part of a lot of black people to begin to rethink some of their assumptions, which is why I think the Republican Party is going to do far, far better going forward.

00:32:34.000 But the primary thing is to tell the truth.

00:32:37.000 Stand your ground, especially you white people. 0.69

00:32:40.000 I wrote a book 20 years ago called The 10 Things You Can't Say in America. 1.00

00:32:43.000 My first chapter is blacks are more racist than whites. 0.99

00:32:46.000 My second chapter is white condescension is as bad as black racism. 1.00

00:32:49.000 And that is when white people are falsely accused of being racist. 0.99

00:32:52.000 Rather than defend yourself, and mention some of the stats that I've mentioned, white people go fetal and just accept it and take it. 0.86

00:32:59.000 And therefore, they give the black person who made the comment the impression that the comment was just and true, when in fact it wasn't. 0.83

00:33:07.000 This whole Black Lives Matter thing. 0.72

00:33:10.000 You know, the stats have shown that the police kill more unarmed whites every year than unarmed blacks.

00:33:15.000 There's been studies done by professors at Washington State over a number of years, three different studies, each time the same result. 0.66

00:33:23.000 The cops are three times more hesitant, more reluctant to pull the trigger on a black suspect than a white suspect.

00:33:29.000 And the CDC found that in the last 50, 60 years, the rate at which the police have killed blacks has declined almost 75%, while the rate at which the police have killed whites has pretty much flatlined. 0.93

00:33:40.000 It is a lie that's getting people killed. 0.75

00:33:42.000 And if more black people knew this, I think things would turn around. 0.98

00:33:46.000 I gave a speech. 1.00

00:33:46.000 I'll end with this, Charlie. 1.00

00:33:47.000 I gave a speech some years ago.

00:33:50.000 And as is often the case, most of the people at my speech are white people.

00:33:53.000 But there was a black guy standing in the back.

00:33:55.000 His arms were folded, big guy, looked like a football player, maybe 50 years old. 0.73

00:33:59.000 And he was frowning.

00:34:00.000 Almost every time I made a, I thought, a salient point, he frowned, shook his head slowly.

00:34:04.000 I said, this is not going well.

00:34:06.000 So the speech is over.

00:34:07.000 The man comes up to me and he says, I am angry.

00:34:11.000 I said, no kidding.

00:34:12.000 He said, not at you, at myself. 0.94

00:34:15.000 I did not know the police killed more unarmed white people than black people every year.

00:34:19.000 I did not know that blacks, the rate at which the unwed rate has gone from 25% in 1975 of blacks to 70% now. 0.69

00:34:27.000 I had no idea that the police were more hesitant, more reluctant to pull the trigger on a black suspect than the white suspect.

00:34:32.000 I didn't know about the 20-year period of time from 1940 to 1960. 0.54

00:34:36.000 And again, rattling off many of the things I had told him.

00:34:39.000 He said, I'm mad at myself for being so ill-informed.

00:34:41.000 I'm going to do a better job now.

00:34:43.000 He turned around and walked away.

00:34:45.000 That's what we have to do.

00:34:46.000 So, Larry, tell us what you're working on.

00:34:49.000 Last time you were on, we talked about your film Uncle Tom.

00:34:52.000 I'm sure people can still check that out at Salem now.

00:34:54.000 It's a terrific film.

00:34:55.000 What else are you working on?

00:34:56.000 How can our audience support you?

00:34:58.000 Well, you can also see Uncle Tom on YouTube for just $2.99.

00:35:03.000 And we're working on Uncle Tom 2.

00:35:05.000 It should be out sometime in the summer.

00:35:06.000 It's going to take Uncle Tom 1 to a whole nother level.

00:35:10.000 I'm also still doing my syndicated column.

00:35:14.000 I write that once a week.

00:35:15.000 I do something called Rogue.

00:35:17.000 R-O-B-E, Rogue Rage every month, every morning on Instagram.

00:35:22.000 It's getting quite a reaction.

00:35:24.000 And I'm working on another book, but I'll tell you about that when I get a little closer to finishing it.

00:35:29.000 So everything, all systems go.

00:35:31.000 Follow me on Twitter.

00:35:32.000 Follow me on Facebook.

00:35:33.000 Follow me on Instagram.

00:35:34.000 And be sure and check out Uncle Tom on YouTube, on iTunes, on Amazon Prime, and also in Salem Now, as you pointed out.

00:35:43.000 And I really urge people to watch that movie called The Streets Were My Father.

00:35:47.000 It's an extraordinary, jaw-dropping movie that will really change minds, especially for those of you who grew up without a father and you're angry at the white man because you believe that your problem is systemic racism.

00:35:59.000 Well, it's well said.

00:36:00.000 And you can hear Larry every single day on the Salem Radio Network.

00:36:03.000 They call you the sage from South Central LA, if I got that right.

00:36:08.000 I'm going to have to ask you about that book.

00:36:09.000 I'm just curious, Larry, really quick. 1.00

00:36:11.000 Blacks are more racist than whites. 0.99

00:36:14.000 Is that something you believe? 1.00

00:36:16.000 Tell us just a little bit.

00:36:17.000 Well, Rasmussen Poll for several years has asked Blacks, Hispanics, and whites of these three groups, which is more likely to be racist. 0.50

00:36:25.000 All of them name blacks more than anybody else, including Blacks.

00:36:29.000 There is also a book called The Scar of Race.

00:36:33.000 It came out some years ago, and a bunch of ethnic groups were asked about a bunch of negative stereotypes about blacks. 0.97

00:36:40.000 Are blacks lazy? 1.00

00:36:41.000 Are blacks dumb? 1.00

00:36:42.000 Are blacks likely to commit crime? 1.00

00:36:45.000 And the group that was least likely to say yes to any of those were Jews. 0.99

00:36:50.000 Blacks are two and a half times more likely than non-black Gentiles to be anti-Semitic. 0.79

00:36:55.000 More blacks said yes to those stereotypes than Jews did. 0.92

00:36:59.000 So the point is that racism is no longer a major factor in America unless you want it to be. 0.61

00:37:07.000 The only way that you can be considered to be a second-class citizen is if you give white people permission to do so.

00:37:14.000 When I was in high school, I'll end with this, Charlie.

00:37:17.000 When I was in high school, we read a poem by a guy named County Cullen.

00:37:21.000 It goes like this.

00:37:22.000 While riding through a Baltimore, so small and full of glee, I saw a young Baltimorean people looking straight at me.

00:37:28.000 Now, I was young and very small, and he was no whit bigger.

00:37:30.000 And so I smiled.

00:37:31.000 But he poked out his tongue and called me.

00:37:33.000 I saw the whole of Baltimore from May until September, of all things that happened there.

00:37:37.000 It's all that I remember.

00:37:38.000 Well, the teacher was mad.

00:37:40.000 I was mad.

00:37:40.000 Teacher talked about how this is going to permanently scar this guy who's going to always be psychologically scarred, always going to think of himself as a second-class citizen.

00:37:47.000 Now, remember, my mother always told me, nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission.

00:37:51.000 So I went home that day and I said to my mom, we read a poem in class.

00:37:55.000 She was stirring a big pot of greens in the kitchen and frying some chicken.

00:37:58.000 I'll never forget it.

00:38:00.000 And I said, Mom, we read a poem in class.

00:38:01.000 I want to get your reaction to it.

00:38:03.000 I know your reaction is probably going to be different from the teacher, but I just want to hear it.

00:38:05.000 She said, what is it?

00:38:06.000 I said, well, it goes like this.

00:38:07.000 While riding through a Baltimore, so small and full of glee, I saw a young Baltimore young people looking straight at me.

00:38:12.000 Now, I was young and very small, and he was no whit bigger.

00:38:14.000 And so I smiled.

00:38:15.000 And he poked out his tongue and called me.

00:38:17.000 I saw the whole of Baltimore from May until September.

00:38:20.000 Of all things that happened there, that's all that I remember.

00:38:23.000 My mom took the spoon out of the pot, hit it on the side, and turned to me. 0.98

00:38:26.000 And she said, Larry, what a damn thing he let something like that spoil his vacation. 0.98

00:38:30.000 How many wings do you want? 0.99

00:38:33.000 I love that.

00:38:34.000 And that's the attitude that we need.

00:38:36.000 So it's terrific.

00:38:37.000 There's a book that I wrote about my relationship with my father called Dear Father, Dear Son, where I had an eight-hour conversation with the SLB because he and I did not get along.

00:38:46.000 And when I was 15 years old, we had a fight.

00:38:49.000 I didn't speak with him to him for 10 years.

00:38:52.000 By not speaking to him, I mean not have a meaningful conversation with the guy for 10 years.

00:38:56.000 It wasn't like he abandoned the family or he was an alcoholic or anything like that.

00:39:00.000 I just avoided the SOB for 10 years.

00:39:02.000 When I was 25 years old, we sat down and had a conversation I thought was going to last for about five or ten minutes.

00:39:06.000 It ended up lasting eight hours.

00:39:08.000 Eight hours, I found out that the man was kicked out of the house.

00:39:11.000 He was 13 years old by his irresponsible mother who could neither read nor write.

00:39:15.000 My father does not know who his biological father is.

00:39:18.000 My last name, Elder, is the name of some dude who was in his life the longest who was an alcoholic who physically abused his mother and physically abused him when he tried to stop it.

00:39:27.000 My father left home, Jim Crow South, at the beginning of the Great Depression, eighth-grade education, never went back to school until he went back to school in his 30s to get his GED.

00:39:38.000 He walked down the road, did anything he could, ended up becoming a Pullman porter on the trains. 0.56

00:39:42.000 They were the largest private employer in those days.

00:39:45.000 And he came out to California on a run.

00:39:48.000 And Charlie, it was sunny and people seemed less racist.

00:39:51.000 My dad was able to walk into a restaurant in the front door and get some food.

00:39:55.000 And he thought that was amazing.

00:39:57.000 He thought, maybe I'll make a little mental note about this.

00:39:59.000 Maybe someday I relocate to California.

00:40:01.000 Pearl Harbor, my dad joins the Marines.

00:40:03.000 He ended up being stationed in Guam.

00:40:05.000 He was a staff sergeant in charge of cooking.

00:40:07.000 He goes back to Chattanooga where he met and married my mom to get him a job as a short-order cook. 0.52

00:40:11.000 And he was told, We don't hire niggas to his face.

00:40:14.000 He goes to an unemployment office.

00:40:16.000 The lady says, You went through the wrong door. 0.65

00:40:17.000 My dad goes out to the hall and sees colored only, goes through that door to the very same lady who sent him out.

00:40:23.000 Co back to my mom and says, This is BS. 0.79

00:40:25.000 I'm going to California to get a job as a cook and I'll send for you.

00:40:28.000 So this is 1945.

00:40:30.000 Goes back to California. 0.97

00:40:31.000 Nobody would hire him.

00:40:32.000 They tell him he doesn't have any references.

00:40:34.000 He goes to an unemployment office, this time, just one door, and he takes the first job he can get cleaning toilets.

00:40:40.000 My dad did that for 10 years, took a second job cleaning toilets at another company, went to night school to get his GED, and went to training school to learn how to run a restaurant.

00:40:49.000 Started a restaurant in his late 40s, which he ran until he was 82 years old.

00:40:54.000 And my father, who was a lifelong Republican, always told my brothers and me, Democrats want to give you something for nothing.

00:41:00.000 When you try and get something for nothing, you almost always end up getting nothing for something.

00:41:03.000 He always said this: hard work wins.

00:41:06.000 You get out of life, but you put into it.

00:41:07.000 You can't control the outcome, Larry, but you are 100% in control of the effort.

00:41:11.000 And no matter how hard you work, sooner or later, bad things are going to happen.

00:41:14.000 No matter how bad things are, you have to look at yourself and adjust to them.

00:41:18.000 And how you adjust to those bad things will tell your mother and me if we raised a man.

00:41:23.000 This is what my father told my brothers and me.

00:41:25.000 If anybody had a reason to be angry at America and to believe that America is systemically racist, it is my father.

00:41:30.000 And he believed the opposite.

00:41:32.000 Anytime we complained, my father said, What are you complaining about?

00:41:34.000 The door is wide open.

00:41:37.000 Well, the door is wide open.

00:41:38.000 All you have to do is pick up your hand and play your cards to the best of your ability.

00:41:42.000 This is America for crying out loud.

00:41:44.000 You can't make it here.

00:41:45.000 You can't make it anywhere.

00:41:47.000 Well said.

00:41:47.000 That was beautiful, Larry.

00:41:49.000 Thank you.

00:41:49.000 And what's the name of the book?

00:41:53.000 That one's called Dear Father, Dear Son.

00:41:54.000 That's the hardback.

00:41:56.000 And the softback is called A Lot Like Lee.

00:41:58.000 If it's the same book, we changed the title for reasons I'll tell you about later on.

00:42:02.000 I love it.

00:42:03.000 Well, God bless you, Larry.

00:42:04.000 See you soon.

00:42:04.000 Thanks so much.

00:42:05.000 Thank you very much for giving me the time.

00:42:06.000 I appreciate it.

00:42:07.000 You bet.

00:42:07.000 Thanks.

00:42:10.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 04, 2021

Exposing the Lies of America's Race Hustlers with Larry Elder

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