The Charlie Kirk Show - EXPOSING the MANY Cybersecurity Threats to America's Elections with Rep. Louie Gohmert

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00:01:34.000 Congressman, I want to thank you so much for joining us.

00:01:36.000 And I second want to thank you for speaking out on this issue in the last week and a half.

00:01:42.000 You've been one of the few members of Congress that has been speaking out about this raid in Germany, CITEL, the hammer and scorecard, all of it.

00:01:52.000 I'm going to let you just begin, and you have the floor.

00:01:55.000 Congressman, what is going on in this?

00:01:57.000 What happened in this election and what are you trying to uncover?

00:02:00.000 Well, if we got time, let me take you back to the election in Texas in both the primary March of 2018 and in the general election of 2018.

00:02:12.000 There was a group, a private intelligence group, former intelligence people that were monitoring the election in Dallas County.

00:02:24.000 And, you know, it's been some years back, but it was news that Soros and others were trying to get people in place who would do the counting in our elections.

00:02:36.000 And I thought, well, that's a shame, but there are some places it may work.

00:02:41.000 But here in Texas, our Secretary of State is in charge of all the election counting, and that's appointed by a Republican governor, so we're safe.

00:02:51.000 I didn't think about the fact that our four biggest cities are controlled completely by Democrats.

00:02:58.000 And unlike East Texas and West Texas, where the county clerk is expected to have her staff or his staff do all the counting, in the big counties, they will hire firms.

00:03:13.000 One was hired, I think their base was in Toronto, Canada, to come in and do the counting for them.

00:03:21.000 And we knew of one problem.

00:03:25.000 Of course, all of these systems report: hey, we don't connect to the internet, so nobody can get in and hack.

00:03:33.000 And actually, there was a great article that of all people, entities, NBC did January 10th of this year.

00:03:41.000 Had you seen that, Charlie?

00:03:42.000 Yeah, also the CNBC piece that was done at the Hackers Convention.

00:03:48.000 Yeah.

00:03:49.000 Well, yes, they have to be programmed some way, and they do have data go from certain parts of the county into an aggregating system, and most of them use CIIDL.

00:04:03.000 The SCYTL was originally headquartered in 2018 in Barcelona, Spain.

00:04:10.000 Gives you warm feelings that Spain can control how our elections come out.

00:04:15.000 Feel good all under.

00:04:17.000 But anyway, so I had this group get with me, and they did a briefing.

00:04:22.000 Sidney Powell and others have seen the information.

00:04:25.000 And I went, holy cow.

00:04:27.000 So I kept trying to get our attorney general in Texas to there's enough here.

00:04:32.000 You could get warrants.

00:04:33.000 You could seize counting machines and laptops and equipment.

00:04:39.000 Nothing was ever done.

00:04:41.000 Kept being told, oh, yeah, we're on top of it.

00:04:43.000 We're taking.

00:04:44.000 So over a year ago, I took it to the White House and I made a presentation to the president.

00:04:50.000 He said, this is a real problem.

00:04:53.000 I said, they're going to try to do it in 2020.

00:04:56.000 And by then, we also had the general election results, and there were actually votes changed.

00:05:05.000 One of the things they could do, though, the early voting was put onto flash drives, and each early voting location had a flash drive with all the votes.

00:05:16.000 They brought those in on Friday night after early voting stopped before the election on Tuesday.

00:05:22.000 And then they had three days to play with them.

00:05:25.000 And there were some changes made in the primary that were found and noted.

00:05:32.000 But that's one way.

00:05:34.000 I mean, they're using every tool at their disposal, whether it's the ballot harvesting, you know, there are just so many things, false votes, but illegal people, people illegally here voting.

00:05:48.000 But in any event, the president said, this is a problem.

00:05:52.000 And anyway, apparently there were plenty of people in the administration that shouldn't be there that were saying, we've got it.

00:06:00.000 It's under control.

00:06:02.000 And of course, you know, and I love the fact you're so well informed about most everything.

00:06:08.000 But I know you are familiar with CISA.

00:06:13.000 That's our cyber and infrastructure security agency headed by a guy named Christopher Krebs.

00:06:21.000 How could we go wrong?

00:06:23.000 But there was an article in Politico of all places on Election Day weeks ago.

00:06:30.000 And it was really a puff piece about Krebs.

00:06:35.000 And he was assuring everybody there was no way our votes could be affected, system secure, no place for fraud.

00:06:43.000 And he did thank his partners in Silicon Valley, who all, of course, love President Trump.

00:06:52.000 And for those that are leftists that may be watching, that's called sarcasm.

00:06:57.000 Okay.

00:06:59.000 But, you know, the guy worked for Microsoft before he came to the government.

00:07:05.000 So what could go wrong having a guy that was a Bill Gates loyalist working and securing our election since Bill Gates loves President Trump so much.

00:07:17.000 In any event, that's who was supposed to be watching the hen house and all they were doing was preparing reports that said how safe we were.

00:07:26.000 All the while, CIDL, on election day, all of that data from most of our election locations was going through, being aggregated.

00:07:38.000 And as we found, as NBC had found, there are ways to hack in.

00:07:45.000 They are connected at different times to the internet.

00:07:48.000 And that's what we knew from the Texas election from two years ago.

00:07:53.000 So I can't confirm or deny the raid or raids occurred.

00:07:59.000 I just had gotten a report that Germany had, the people in Germany had reported about the raid.

00:08:07.000 But what I knew was the day before, I had given information, supplied it to the White House, and said, look, here's what you need to be getting from CITL.

00:08:20.000 And this will be able to determine what votes were changed, how widespread, how many thousands or millions.

00:08:31.000 And by the way, another thing, Charlie, I've heard people say, you know, the president needs to give it up.

00:08:37.000 He lost by about 5.4, 5.5 million votes.

00:08:42.000 I mean, obviously he couldn't have won the election.

00:08:45.000 You do a breakdown and you see that California, with all where they legalized so many illegal ways to vote, that's where he won by 5 million votes and then another million votes or so in New York.

00:09:03.000 But you look at the other 48 states, President Trump won reelection.

00:09:10.000 And when we're looking, and I've been around you so much and I know how your mind works, and that's why I love the way it works so well.

00:09:17.000 You know, it's logical.

00:09:19.000 Okay, what would be a fail-safe way to check to see if there are indications that the outcome is suspicious?

00:09:28.000 Well, most everybody knew going in, if Republicans were going to avoid losing massive number of seats in the House, then President Trump was going to have to have extensive coattails to carry Republicans along.

00:09:47.000 He would have to win so big that the sweep would help us not lose seats, much less gain any.

00:09:57.000 We weren't expected to gain any.

00:10:00.000 So we're hoping that there would be enough coattails from Trump.

00:10:04.000 People would turn out for him and we wouldn't lose seats.

00:10:08.000 We picked up maybe a dozen or so seats.

00:10:12.000 The only way we were going to be able to keep the majority in the Senate was going to be, again, if Trump turnout was so big that we didn't lose the majority.

00:10:25.000 And the background on that, we picked up seats two years ago because the Democrats had nearly twice as many seats of theirs that were up for reelection.

00:10:37.000 This time, we had a lot more Republican seats up.

00:10:41.000 So this was the time for them to pick them up.

00:10:44.000 Okay, so when you see we picked up a bunch of seats in the House and no incumbent lost their seat that was Republican, and we kept, it looks like we'll keep the majority in the Senate.

00:10:57.000 How did that happen?

00:10:58.000 Well, it could only happen with Trump coattails.

00:11:02.000 So that tells you something is terribly wrong if the popular vote says Trump won or lost by five and a half million votes.

00:11:12.000 There's something bad wrong there.

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00:12:23.000 Our former guest talked about hammer and scorecard.

00:12:26.000 Can you talk about any specifics around that?

00:12:29.000 Are you hearing things?

00:12:30.000 Are there briefings happening?

00:12:32.000 Can you just add some light into it?

00:12:33.000 Because there's a lot.

00:12:34.000 And I ask pointedly, intentionally, Congressman, because there are about 45 to 50 million people right now that are about to lose permanent trust in our Democratic systems.

00:12:44.000 Well, I can't give any specifics on hammer and scorecard.

00:12:49.000 Those are certainly issues, but we do have people doing deep dives, and we hope to know more soon.

00:13:00.000 But with regard, going back to the reported raids in Germany of Seidel, by the way, they apparently gone through a bankruptcy.

00:13:14.000 But I'd mentioned earlier that two years ago, their main headquarters was in Spain, Barcelona.

00:13:21.000 Well, that apparently got moved main headquarters to a place called Frankfurt, Germany, you know, Germany, where Merkel was telling Trump the next day that he just needed to concede and get out of there.

00:13:34.000 Yeah, because she doesn't want to pay what she agreed to pay to Germany's fair share to the UN, and she doesn't like Trump trying to hold their feet to the fire.

00:13:44.000 There are all kinds of reasons.

00:13:46.000 Oh, and they want us back in the Paris Accord like everybody else because we're the ones, we're the only ones that are going to pay every other country in the world for all the damage China is doing to the environment.

00:14:01.000 So they have a lot of reasons in Germany and in Spain.

00:14:06.000 They want Trump out.

00:14:08.000 But what really bothered me is here I provide, I'd email this information on what specifically to look for, that what information we needed that was, I didn't come up with it.

00:14:24.000 It was provided by some of our former Intel people.

00:14:29.000 And then immediately after that, we hear that Seidel's server has been grabbed.

00:14:36.000 And it's apparently, if it were, apparently it was not by direction of the president.

00:14:47.000 So you wonder who's getting that and what's that all about.

00:14:51.000 And there's still some ways that we can grab that information.

00:14:57.000 You have mentioned it.

00:14:58.000 What could potentially be the significance of this and how it implicates what may or may not have happened about a week and a half ago?

00:15:07.000 Well, as even the NBC stories showed, there are back doors to the information being accumulated.

00:15:16.000 And that's something I've been hearing.

00:15:18.000 There are back doors where they can go in and people can change votes.

00:15:26.000 And they do.

00:15:27.000 And what we had seen in 2018 from the briefing that I got was that they used a couple of methods.

00:15:35.000 One is just flipping Republican votes in a race or more races, but flipping Republican votes and making them Democrat votes just in the counting.

00:15:48.000 And that creates some problems for the data, and that what makes a good analyst able to do a deep dive and see, wait a minute, these were changed, here's where they were changed, and that's what messed up the down ballot votes.

00:16:04.000 So that's one way.

00:16:05.000 And another thing is apparently they use what's called a multiplier.

00:16:11.000 They can input a multiplier so that just hypothetically, or for example, every vote for Beijing Biden would end up being multiplied so that he was getting more than one vote.

00:16:29.000 It would be multiplied by whatever they put in.

00:16:32.000 Now, I've been told that in some of the deep diving going on now, there are actually fractions of a vote.

00:16:42.000 And since the Democrats demanded that black votes only count as three-fifths of a vote back before the Civil War, we haven't been having fraction of a vote.

00:16:56.000 But if you ever see that, it tells you there's been a multiplier that applied that fractionalized an outcome.

00:17:06.000 So those are a couple of ways.

00:17:07.000 And so if you had the undoctored sidel server, you should be able, or experts should be able to find votes that were changed.

00:17:20.000 If they're there and they've not been erased, then you'll find those votes that were switched.

00:17:25.000 You'll find what votes, what elections they were switched in.

00:17:31.000 And in fact, I'd seen data on votes that were switched in 2018 in Dallas, Texas.

00:17:40.000 But unfortunately, and I've been telling the president for a while, as long as Christopher Wray is heading up the FBI, this country's not safe and you're not safe.

00:17:51.000 Christopher Writ took his admonition to clean up the FBI to mean that he needed to sweep everything under the rug.

00:17:59.000 And that's what, in my humble opinion, he's been doing ever since he got there.

00:18:03.000 We cannot move forward and the FBI can't get their reputation back as long as he's there.

00:18:09.000 It's just, in my opinion, not honest at all in the Washington part.

00:18:15.000 We got good, honest FBI agents around the country, but we got people that still are a problem for us keeping this self-government going.

00:18:24.000 If I remember correctly, you were a judge in a past life.

00:18:28.000 Is that right?

00:18:29.000 Correct.

00:18:30.000 And so there's a lot is now going to be put on judges right now, federal judges and Supreme Court judges.

00:18:37.000 Just looking at this realistically, what does the Trump campaign have to present?

00:18:43.000 If you put your judge kind of robe on, what needs to be presented for a judge to maybe order a revote or something that would dramatically change the current trajectory?

00:18:55.000 Take as much time as you'd like for our audience that really doesn't understand how the legal process works, what it would take for a judge to act that dramatically.

00:19:04.000 And you're right.

00:19:05.000 It wouldn't be dramatic.

00:19:07.000 There have been elections that have been overturned and new votes required.

00:19:14.000 But in a case like this, and I've discussed this with some of the attorneys helping the president, and I'm also licensed and certified to practice before the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:19:25.000 But as a member of Congress, I'm not authorized and I'm prohibited from practicing law.

00:19:32.000 But It doesn't keep me from remembering as our highest level trial judge in Texas and then also on the Court of Appeals as Chief Justice back in Texas.

00:19:49.000 You will have to come in, and everybody's heard about different types of fraud, whether it's dead people voting, which did occur, apparently 10,000 or so in Michigan.

00:20:03.000 Even though we've been told, oh, well, they may have voted, but we would have culled those and not counted those.

00:20:10.000 Well, we know some got counted.

00:20:12.000 But it's not enough to come before the court and show that there was fraudulent voting.

00:20:21.000 You need to show that.

00:20:23.000 And we need to show that dead people voted.

00:20:26.000 We need to show that some people voted for other people.

00:20:29.000 We need to show that it's been reported in Pennsylvania that there were mail-in ballots that got voted and recorded before they ever could possibly have been returned.

00:20:43.000 All of those things need to come in.

00:20:46.000 If we can get, and there ought to be, it ought to be retrievable by subpoena or warrant to get the data from CITL and other sources to show, and we need to do this, to show votes that were changed from here to here.

00:21:08.000 Some people have seen the video of Matt Bevin's race last year in Kentucky for governor, where you just saw over 500 votes just flip from Republican to Democrat.

00:21:24.000 Well, that kind of stuff was what I was shown had been happening in 2018 in Texas.

00:21:31.000 They got the system down, so I feel like it should be retrievable once they get that data to show that.

00:21:39.000 But all of that is still not enough.

00:21:42.000 You have to be able to show that on an extensive enough basis that a judge would say, whoa, there's no question this affected the election.

00:21:56.000 And when it gets to that scale, then the choices are you can order all of the improper votes to be struck if those can be shown.

00:22:11.000 You could, and then a recount with the ones that were legitimate.

00:22:15.000 You could order a complete redo of the election, but we don't have a lot of time for that.

00:22:21.000 Or the court could order that these votes are in such a disastrous form, they cannot be certified as the election results from this state.

00:22:34.000 Therefore, this state's Electoral College votes can't be certified, and they can't help either candidate get to 270.

00:22:45.000 And if they're not enough for anybody to get to 270, Biden or President Trump, then it would be thrown to the House.

00:22:53.000 And as you know, it's not the Democrat majority that would decide.

00:22:58.000 Take one vote, and then we have more states with a majority Republican than Democrats.

00:23:07.000 And since Mitt Romney is not in the House of Representatives, then we should be able to hold Republican states voting for the Republican candidate.

00:23:18.000 So those are all possibilities, but it's got to be compelling enough.

00:23:24.000 And another factor, too, and this is one of the things that bothered me so much about the FISA court being lied about.

00:23:34.000 If you're a judge, you're going to be lied to time to time.

00:23:38.000 But what really bothered me is the FISA courts didn't seem to be bothered that people came in and committed a fraud on their court.

00:23:49.000 I found if you put one lawyer in jail one day, one time, the rest get the message and you don't have problems with lawyers not doing what they're supposed to or being honest about what's supposed to happen.

00:24:03.000 But nothing like that happened.

00:24:05.000 The FISA courts didn't seem to be bothered.

00:24:07.000 I don't know any federal judges that wouldn't have freaked out over that.

00:24:12.000 And here in Pennsylvania, they were ordered to allow the Republican poll watchers to come in.

00:24:19.000 I went up to Pennsylvania.

00:24:21.000 Okay, I'm not from Pennsylvania.

00:24:23.000 That's where the fight was.

00:24:24.000 So I showed up.

00:24:26.000 But you have to let the Republican poll watchers watch.

00:24:30.000 And why not?

00:24:31.000 They ought to have it as cheap as TV cameras are, you know, internet cameras.

00:24:37.000 They should have been watching every desk where votes were being counted.

00:24:42.000 So you could ensure, okay, you think Biden was going to win so big?

00:24:47.000 Then let's see it, honestly.

00:24:49.000 Instead, they were putting up paper or posters where you couldn't see in.

00:24:54.000 And that was, they were ordered to allow people to see.

00:24:59.000 So if I'm a judge that issued that order, I've got my judge hat back on, my judge robe back on, and the evidence comes in that after I sent that order to make it transparent, allow everybody to see what was, and okay, you finally let them in, but you moved the counting back so far they still couldn't see.

00:25:20.000 I'm deeply offended by that.

00:25:22.000 And I think Justice Alito and others have enough integrity, they would be deeply offended by people doing that.

00:25:30.000 And there's a legal doctrine that if one side has access to evidence and evidence is either destroyed or can't be gathered, then a judge is allowed to take judicial notice or to order a jury that they can take notice that the evidence was available to this person, it's no longer to this party, and it's no longer available.

00:26:00.000 And therefore, you can consider that that evidence proved their point was not valid.

00:26:08.000 And it's one of the few times a judge can instruct a jury that you can take something that's not direct evidence.

00:26:16.000 But if they've hidden evidence, they haven't followed an order, then the court could just say, you know what, I told you to make it transparent.

00:26:25.000 So all the votes that you didn't allow to be transparent, they're not going to count because we can't trust them.

00:26:33.000 And if you've intermingled, you didn't set the ones aside I told you to, every one of them, then we can't trust your account of the votes and it can't be certified.

00:26:44.000 You need a do-over.

00:26:46.000 Or he could say, it's not enough time, can't be certified, your state can't be certified, which again throws it back to the House.

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00:27:39.000 It's really important what you mentioned, which is how could there be an order like in Pennsylvania where they just don't follow it?

00:27:46.000 Like, let me in.

00:27:47.000 They say, oh, no.

00:27:48.000 And the answer is very simple, is that they know nothing will happen.

00:27:52.000 They know that if you're Peter Strzzok or Lisa Page, you don't go to jail.

00:27:55.000 They know if you're Hillary Clinton, you destroy devices, you don't go to jail. 0.73

00:27:58.000 They know if you're a BLM and you burn down a city, you don't go to jail. 0.87

00:28:01.000 And the little things really matter. 0.98

00:28:03.000 And the little things that add up to this idea of, no, no, no, the judicial system works for us, silly little citizen. 0.93

00:28:09.000 A court order, that's just an annoyance.

00:28:12.000 And that's the significance of not actually going after every one of these people that have committed crimes, the small ones and the big ones.

00:28:20.000 And then, Congressman, I want to ask a really quick question on this.

00:28:24.000 How did Samuel Alito ordered for votes to be segregated?

00:28:27.000 How did that work?

00:28:28.000 How does a singular justice order for something to happen?

00:28:32.000 Can you explain that to me?

00:28:33.000 Because I was really confused by that.

00:28:36.000 The way if you're trying to get a quick injunction and you can make a basis, show a basis for a court to act, the Supreme Court will put one judge on it and have them make a determination.

00:28:55.000 And it also happens with courts of appeal as well.

00:28:59.000 If it's an emergency, you have one judge on it, but then you can appeal to the full, the en banc, all of the judges together.

00:29:11.000 And that's why sometimes you will see maybe a three-judge panel or one judge on a federal court of appeals that'll issue an order or a decision or a temporary ruling or even a final ruling.

00:29:25.000 And then the party can say, we want to go have a hearing before the full panel and go from there.

00:29:34.000 But emergencies, it's not uncommon to have one judge assigned to take that up.

00:29:40.000 And if you're the litigant, you're really hoping it's a friendly judge because you got friends and you got enemies, said the Supreme Court.

00:29:48.000 Not Sotamayor or Breyer or Kagan, that's for sure.

00:29:51.000 So I'm glad Alito was wearing that role.

00:29:55.000 So the other question...

00:29:56.000 I'm really impressed by Justice Alito and his devotion to wanting to follow the law.

00:30:02.000 And just like you were pointing out, Charlie, unless there are consequences for absolute ignoring a court order, then of course that will continue.

00:30:14.000 And I don't, we've got enough people on the Supreme Court now that do believe in the rule of law.

00:30:21.000 And let me tell you, another thing that you're trained about as a judge is the fact that decisions, both criminal and civil, they can have, they need to have a deterrent effect to improper conduct.

00:30:37.000 And so, like, for example, if you're deciding on an appropriate punishment, then you're supposed, by law, you're supposed to consider general deterrence.

00:30:48.000 What will be a message in what I do here that is strong enough that others who are similarly tempted to do this kind of conduct will not want to do it?

00:31:00.000 And then specific deterrence so that the people you are specifically dealing with will never want to do that again.

00:31:07.000 It will be so costly.

00:31:09.000 And if you send a message like that to Seidel, to Dominion, ESNS, you will see them be much more careful about the back doors that are left open or things that are hooked to the internet.

00:31:25.000 But this is very, very critical for our future.

00:31:28.000 And for those Republicans or rhinos that say, look, the president needs to concede and we can come back and win more seats in the presidency in 2024. 0.89

00:31:40.000 No, some of us have seen how they were learning this way of stealing an election in 2018. 0.93

00:31:49.000 They got much, much better at it in 2020.

00:31:54.000 And if this election is stolen, if the fraud is not corrected, and it could be that after you take out all the illegal voting and you take out the manipulation of the data, that Biden wins?

00:32:10.000 Okay, he wins, and Trump would let him roll in.

00:32:13.000 But I don't think that's where it's going once we get down to the real votes.

00:32:18.000 So, Congressman, in addition to that, can you help me understand?

00:32:23.000 Because you're talking about how a judge could step in, Supreme Court justice or otherwise, and could say, if you didn't follow my orders, these votes could be thrown out and it could go to the House and all of this.

00:32:34.000 What you're saying is that despite what a lot of the establishment Republicans are saying, there's a lot of remedies for President Trump at this moment if this gets interpreted as a spoiled election in the eyes of a judge.

00:32:47.000 And you've mentioned what it would take to get there, and it is a very high threshold.

00:32:52.000 Do you think based on current claims by the very reputable Sidney Powell, she's confident that President Trump will serve a second term?

00:33:02.000 She thinks that the Biden transition team is kind of a waste of time, is what she said today on television.

00:33:09.000 There's a lot of people that are anxious and confused about this entire process and how it's all working.

00:33:15.000 People know that it's stolen.

00:33:17.000 It's just, and what's really upsetting, Congressman, I was on an airplane a couple of days ago and people came up to me and they said, can we trust anything the government ever says again?

00:33:26.000 And I said, probably not.

00:33:28.000 And that's where we're getting to, where people are just going to say they're going to treat their government like it's a banana republic.

00:33:34.000 I guess the question is, can you comment on what could realistically happen before the magical dates start appearing when the Electoral College gathers and we have to start really filing pre-inaugural paperwork?

00:33:51.000 Because we do have to have the next leader of the free world by January 20th, unless the Supreme Court decides to come in on dramatic, dramatic action.

00:34:02.000 Do you see that there could possibly be some bombshell revelations where the U.S. Supreme Court could step in here?

00:34:10.000 Yeah, I believe some of us have seen enough fraud that the Supreme Court absolutely needs to step in.

00:34:22.000 And it takes me back to the summer I was an exchange student to the Soviet Union, Charlie.

00:34:32.000 I spent a lot of time with other college students.

00:34:36.000 Half of that summer was in Ukraine.

00:34:40.000 I used to say the Ukraine, and one of the Ukrainians said, do you say I'm from the Texas?

00:34:45.000 And I said, no, we don't say the Ukraine here either.

00:34:49.000 We're from Ukraine.

00:34:51.000 But so much time with college students, and I couldn't believe they didn't trust their government story on anything, most of them.

00:35:00.000 And I said, doesn't it bother you that you can't believe anything your government tells you?

00:35:08.000 And there was a Russian expression that I heard over and over.

00:35:12.000 Drove me crazy that, well, there's nothing to be done.

00:35:16.000 Nothing to be done.

00:35:17.000 I hated that.

00:35:18.000 It was so fatalistic, but that's how a Marxist government is able to stay in power is by showing the people you can't do anything.

00:35:29.000 It's just going to ruin your life.

00:35:31.000 Just sit back and roll along and coast along. 0.99

00:35:34.000 But that's not the American way. 0.95

00:35:36.000 And the courts can do something.

00:35:40.000 And frankly, Charlie, I would rather have a redo election than to have the courts roll in and say, I agree.

00:35:49.000 We can't trust it and it can't be certified.

00:35:53.000 And it goes to the House.

00:35:55.000 The first time that ever happened, John Quincy Adams in 1824 did not get a majority of the popular vote and he didn't have enough Electoral College vote, so it went to the House.

00:36:08.000 And it created lots of trouble for him.

00:36:10.000 He didn't win a second term.

00:36:13.000 Of course, then he ran for Congress, the unthinkable, after being president, and tried to work on eliminating slavery.

00:36:21.000 But it would be cleaner if we could make sure that people's vote counted.

00:36:28.000 You know, I know in my own district, the first time I ran, I was told by somebody that was a major Democrat that I pay a lady here for, it's usually around 1,500 votes.

00:36:44.000 And she had a list.

00:36:45.000 She'd go get people to sign on the absentee ballot request, and then she would get the absentee ballots.

00:36:53.000 And I asked the clerk one time, does she really vote that many? 0.83

00:36:57.000 She said, yeah, sometimes she votes them all in green ink so she can prove how many she voted because she gets paid for every vote.

00:37:05.000 But in any event, there's always been cheating.

00:37:09.000 You know, I was watching a vote back in the 90s, and Tom Brokaw told, I guess it was David Brinkley, tell him that story that Johnson told about when he ran years ago.

00:37:27.000 He said, well, he said, you know, back then before Watergate, the press was friends with all of the presidents as they were president.

00:37:37.000 And a lot of times the president would come down to the press room, sit at one of our desks and just sit around and talk.

00:37:43.000 And he knew we could trust them not to print anything that was like that off the record.

00:37:48.000 And one time, and it must have been 66, so we were watching some midterm reports of votes coming in.

00:37:57.000 And Johnson, Lyndon Johnson, had his boots up on the desk and scratching his belly and drinking a beer.

00:38:04.000 Yeah, I remember back when I was running, my campaign manager and I were out in the cemetery the night before the election.

00:38:13.000 Of course, in Duval County, there were a lot of dead people that used to vote or vote in alphabetical order and those kind of things.

00:38:20.000 But yeah, and we were writing down the name off each tombstone, and we came to one that had all this stuff on it.

00:38:28.000 We couldn't really tell the name.

00:38:30.000 And my campaign manager said, come on, Lyndon, let's go to the next grave.

00:38:33.000 And I grabbed his arm and I said, no, sir, this man has ever been as much right to vote as anybody else in the cemetery.

00:38:42.000 And so, you know, and those of us in Texas that know our Texas history know that happened in Duval County.

00:38:49.000 And then I think the courthouse burned when the investigators came to investigate.

00:38:54.000 So the biggest, as John Fund has said before, that wrote a great book on fraud and elections, the biggest fraud about elections is the statement that there is no fraud in elections.

00:39:06.000 There has always been people trying to cheat, and some have done so successfully.

00:39:11.000 And by the way, I asked Monica Crowley that worked for Richard Nixon after he was president, I think helping with a book.

00:39:19.000 And I said, well, I'd heard in 1960 that Nixon was told there may be enough fraud in Chicago that we could go to court and you'd have a shot at winning.

00:39:33.000 And she said she had talked to him about it and that he said, yeah, he was told it was a good shot at overturning it, but he just felt like it would be too divisive for the country.

00:39:46.000 And so, Charlie, you go back to the discussion earlier on deterrence.

00:39:51.000 If there are no consequences for cheating, then it just gets worse and worse and worse until it builds to where we are now.

00:40:01.000 And people don't have, you're going to have 70 million people that don't have confidence in this vote.

00:40:09.000 So, Congressman, I want to take a question here from some of our listeners.

00:40:12.000 We have tens of thousands watching, and I want to thank you for being so generous with your time.

00:40:18.000 One question that we just keep on getting is: what can we do?

00:40:22.000 Some of our supporters here at charliekirk.com/slash support, just one question here from Gary from Michigan.

00:40:29.000 He says, What can we do?

00:40:30.000 He said, I feel helpless, and I feel like this election was robbed.

00:40:36.000 What can just average citizens' patriots do right now?

00:40:39.000 Because we're just a lot of people are sitting at home saying, This feels like the greatest con job in elections in American history.

00:40:48.000 What can I do?

00:40:49.000 No, no, it's not just American history, it's in world history.

00:40:53.000 I mean, this will be the biggest stone election in world history.

00:41:00.000 Yes, it went on in the Soviet Union, but they didn't really have to steal a lot of votes.

00:41:06.000 People were scared not to vote as they were told.

00:41:10.000 And you ran, there were problems, obviously, in Venezuela and Cuba, any place you have socialism, you're going to have an all-powerful totalitarian government.

00:41:21.000 But to your question, I know when I was a judge, we were not to be affected by the opinion of people.

00:41:37.000 And sometimes I hated what the law was, and I would explain, I think this is the wrong outcome, but I'm not allowed to legislate from the bench.

00:41:49.000 You'll have to go to Austin to get the law changed or Washington to get the law changed.

00:41:56.000 So, I'm going to have to follow the law.

00:41:57.000 But there are a lot of judges.

00:42:01.000 Well, most of us, just say it.

00:42:03.000 Most of us do not want to be exceedingly unpopular and be called all kinds of names.

00:42:10.000 I think God's been good to me during my days as a judge.

00:42:15.000 My skin got so much thicker, and so I could handle it.

00:42:20.000 But I see judges all the time.

00:42:22.000 They are definitely swayed by popular opinion.

00:42:29.000 And I think Chief Justice Roberts is one of those.

00:42:34.000 In fact, my understanding was that on Obamacare decision, he was really that he was planning on voting that it was unconstitutional.

00:42:49.000 And I was told that information was coming into the court from back channel stuff with sources, which it's not supposed to, But from the White House saying, you know, you guys need to understand if you declare the Affordable Care Act, we'll misnomer, you declare the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional,

00:43:18.000 there'll be millions of people die.

00:43:20.000 They won't have insurance, they can't get the health care, and it'll all be your fault.

00:43:25.000 The Republicans don't have a plan, and so all these people will be out.

00:43:30.000 You can't do that.

00:43:31.000 And Chief Justice Roberts will go down in history as the most political Chief Justice since Taney and the Dred Scott decision.

00:43:43.000 And that ultimately, supposedly, Roberts just didn't want to go down in history as the most political Chief Justice.

00:43:52.000 So what happened?

00:43:52.000 He became the most political Chief Justice since the Dred Scott decision.

00:43:57.000 But Justice Galia told me one time, and I don't know if you were following Supreme Court decisions back when the Kilo decision came out from New Hampshire, I believe it was New Hampshire.

00:44:14.000 But it was a case where the city decided to use their power of eminent domain to take somebody's private property, not for a civic or city reason, but because they wanted to give it to a developer who was supposed to divide it and make it more valuable, and then they would receive a lot more property tax from all that money.

00:44:43.000 And that's outrageous.

00:44:45.000 You're not supposed to do that.

00:44:48.000 But nobody had raised a fuss when cities across America had used their power to condemn property to take it for a government purpose and then handed it over to some rich developer that was building a sports stadium.

00:45:07.000 You know, well, if you're going to follow the law on eminent domain, you don't give it to a private person that's going to have a private stadium.

00:45:17.000 Sure, if it's going to be like Green Bay, that's legitimate, the city's going to own it.

00:45:23.000 But nobody raised a fuss ever about those.

00:45:27.000 Justice Galia said, nobody raised a word.

00:45:31.000 So he said he had never seen the Supreme Court justices more shocked at the outrage of the public when a majority of the Supreme Court said, yeah, you can use condemnation, imminent domain, and take land away if you think somebody else will pay more taxes on it.

00:45:52.000 Well, people were outraged, but they said, well, if somebody, you know, had raised cane about the sports stadiums, then they probably would never have gotten to that bad decision.

00:46:06.000 And that's the way I see this.

00:46:08.000 You know, you're not going to change Clarence Thomas or Justice Alito.

00:46:13.000 There are a handful, well, hopefully, hopefully five, but will not be swayed by public opinion.

00:46:22.000 They'll do what they believe the Constitution requires.

00:46:26.000 But we've seen it too many times. 0.97

00:46:29.000 And I'd also heard back Roe versus Wade that since the majority of the justices went to these cocktail parties all around the world that said, well, of course a woman ought to be able to kill their baby.

00:46:43.000 They had not heard people on the other side.

00:46:46.000 And so all of that, long story to say, it makes a difference when people go out to the streets, as they did in Egypt in 2013. 0.77

00:47:01.000 A third of the population went to the streets all over Egypt and said, we don't want the Muslim Brotherhood, the radical Islamist. 0.82

00:47:15.000 running our country. 1.00

00:47:16.000 We want him out.

00:47:17.000 He's destroying our Constitution.

00:47:20.000 And it happened.

00:47:22.000 They were peaceful. 1.00

00:47:22.000 The Muslim Brotherhood burned down some churches and stuff and tried to make it look like, but that's the point. 1.00

00:47:29.000 It's got to be peaceful.

00:47:31.000 Dr. King was one of the greatest examples ever.

00:47:35.000 His was peaceful.

00:47:37.000 You had Bill Ayres and those kind of people thinking that terrorism and blowing things up or people dying, that was the way to go.

00:47:44.000 It didn't accomplish anything until they went in and took over, as you know and you talk about, as professors and started misinforming students.

00:47:55.000 But it is critical that people make their voices heard, have rallies like people did before the election for Trump.

00:48:04.000 Have rallies to say, you should not steal this election.

00:48:09.000 We need fair elections because there was a great quote.

00:48:15.000 And I know the Republicans, many of them are saying, oh, no, we'll have another chance down the road.

00:48:22.000 But there was a great quote from Churchill, and I can't find it now.

00:48:30.000 But basically, if you won't fight when success is virtually assured, then you will come to the place where you are going to lose, but fighting is better than dying as a slave.

00:48:48.000 So this is a point we can still win.

00:48:52.000 But once an election is stolen and they have total control of the intelligence, total control of the FBI, total control of all of the government, they're not going to be any more Republicans and they'll start stealing the elections all the way down to City Hall and the local courthouse.

00:49:16.000 And we're already moving farther towards socialism than I could ever have imagined.

00:49:24.000 And you're going to see Christians and Jews persecuted like never before.

00:49:28.000 It's already started.

00:49:30.000 But we've seen it, COVID used as a reason to go after groups that people don't like.

00:49:38.000 No, you can't meet at a church.

00:49:40.000 You can go out to a casino or to liquor store.

00:49:43.000 That's fine, but not to a church, for heaven's sake.

00:49:46.000 I mean, we're already seeing that kind of discrimination being brought to the bear, and it's got to be stopped.

00:49:52.000 And the way to do it is get this election corrected.

00:49:56.000 Let's get all the votes that are legal votes.

00:49:59.000 And if the fraud is so bad and the disobedience of court orders and of the law is so bad, we can't figure out which votes are legitimate, then you go to, you can't, you cannot certify those election results.

00:50:18.000 So we either have a do-over election or you just, we don't certify them and it throws it to the House.

00:50:26.000 We have a runoff in Georgia on January 5th.

00:50:29.000 Why can't we have a runoff in four or five other states that can't certify their election results and do it the right way?

00:50:36.000 And it's any sort of excuse.

00:50:38.000 And by the way, remember one year ago, it was Democrats that were calling for a revote in North Carolina in that race because of all the voter fraud.

00:50:48.000 And they got what they asked for because the House of Representatives wouldn't seat.

00:50:52.000 I have the name here.

00:50:54.000 Good guy that won, but he was in trouble there.

00:50:57.000 And so, Congressman, last question here.

00:51:01.000 The president is remaining steadfast in fighting this.

00:51:06.000 What is your message to your colleagues and these moderate Republicans that are now just going by the wayside?

00:51:14.000 What is your message?

00:51:15.000 It's a question that we're getting a lot from our supporters here at charliekirk.com slash support.

00:51:19.000 What are you saying to other members of Congress?

00:51:21.000 I'll be honest, Congressman, you're one of very, very few right now who's speaking out.

00:51:27.000 Well, and I did find this church from this quote from Churchill.

00:51:33.000 Let me tell you, we have got to fight. 0.73

00:51:35.000 This is for all of the marbles.

00:51:38.000 This will determine whether we will continue to be a self-governing republic or if we will become a socialist state. 0.98

00:51:48.000 Now, being a Christian, I feel strongly about what Dostoevsky said, and I think he is completely right.

00:51:57.000 Yes, there are a lot of economic problems with socialism, but he said the problem with socialism is not economic.

00:52:04.000 The problem with socialism is atheism.

00:52:08.000 The government becomes God, and it has to attack anything that may take away from the government being godlike.

00:52:17.000 But here's Churchill's quote, and this is what I would send out to all those Republicans that say, it's not worth the fight.

00:52:25.000 Look, we're never going to have another Republican president.

00:52:28.000 So if you're thinking, if I just get Trump out of the way, then I can win in 2024, forget that.

00:52:37.000 They will have perfected theft in such a way by 2024, Republicans aren't going to be winning again.

00:52:46.000 Churchill said, if you will not fight for right, when you can easily win and without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly, which is what I would say where we are here, you may come to the moment when you have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival.

00:53:10.000 There may even be a worse case.

00:53:12.000 You may have to fight when there's no hope of victory because it's better to perish than to live as slaves.

00:53:19.000 And I think we're at that point where this is not terribly costly. 1.00

00:53:24.000 They're going to call you crazy and stupid the way I get called all the time. 0.97

00:53:30.000 And, you know, I did quite well on national testing, so I'm very secure in who I am, what I am. 0.99

00:53:37.000 And my skin was thick enough when I got COVID back this summer, and I got wonderful sweet messages from all over the country, but I got a bunch of just die in effort.

00:53:51.000 And I find those amusing.

00:53:54.000 But you've got to get your skin thicker and just go, this is for future generations to be able to have freedom to say what they want, to believe as they feel led.

00:54:10.000 And, you know, our Second Amendment, forget that.

00:54:14.000 That'll be gone.

00:54:15.000 But not just those, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, yeah, all those go, Second Amendment.

00:54:22.000 But the right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure, that's what this last, this FBI and Department of Justice is engaged in.

00:54:34.000 They would just go search whenever they got good and ready, lying an affidavit, and they shouldn't be going to jail.

00:54:42.000 Shame on Durham.

00:54:44.000 But this is worth fighting for at a time when we have a chance to win.

00:54:52.000 And if we don't, I'm telling you, Charlie, future generations, maybe not you as much and people younger than you, but for a number of our generations, they will curse our names for generations to come because we had it so easy and we could have fought and could have saved self-government, but just decided we didn't want to be name-called or have Antifa target us.

00:55:21.000 But Antifa has got to be stopped.

00:55:24.000 These Marxists have got to be stopped.

00:55:28.000 So it's time not to shrink back and say, well, let's go to a movie and worry about this later.

00:55:34.000 You can't do that.

00:55:36.000 Yeah, we got to fight.

00:55:37.000 So I'm very, very grateful that you're in the fight and you're smart enough to see the problems and the things that the left is saying.

00:55:46.000 We got to be in the fight.

00:55:48.000 Organize rallies wherever you live.

00:55:52.000 Make sure you're a member of Congress, your senators, even if they're different parties, they need to have this outpouring of email, of letters, of calls saying, this is being stolen.

00:56:06.000 You have destroyed my vote with fraud.

00:56:10.000 Yes.

00:56:11.000 Let's get this right.

00:56:12.000 Let's make sure we get it right.

00:56:14.000 And it usually requires a threat, or we're going to make sure you don't get reelected.

00:56:20.000 You get primaries.

00:56:22.000 People get their attention.

00:56:25.000 Now, I've had a premonition since I first ran that someday I might end up having to take a stand that would cost me the way Sam Houston did when he stood up against seceding from the union and slavery.

00:56:41.000 And very few people came to his funeral.

00:56:45.000 Without him, there is no Texas.

00:56:49.000 Yet sometimes you do have to take a principled stand, even if it means costing your friends.

00:56:56.000 We still celebrate him for the good he did.

00:57:00.000 But there at the end of his life, it was not fun.

00:57:03.000 But he stood up for what he believed was right.

00:57:07.000 Sometimes you have to do that.

00:57:09.000 But what I found back when I was a judge, and I was told by every judge I knew, if you handle that case, you'll never get elected to anything.

00:57:21.000 And I lost sleep.

00:57:22.000 That's the only night I'd ever lost sleep about a decision in, lost sleep because I was concerned about losing.

00:57:33.000 But I prayed about it and what came to me by morning was if I'm going to run from the job I ran for, I shouldn't be in this job.

00:57:44.000 And so I handled the case, made some people mad, but did what I thought was right.

00:57:50.000 And my approval, I mean, my polls started going up as a result.

00:57:57.000 People appreciated somebody doing what they ran to do.

00:58:02.000 God bless you, Congressman, for everything you're doing for our country.

00:58:06.000 Keep fighting.

00:58:06.000 I want to encourage you, stay on this.

00:58:08.000 We have your back.

00:58:10.000 Please, let's expose this fraud.

00:58:11.000 So God bless you, Congressman.

00:58:12.000 Thank you for joining

The Charlie Kirk Show - November 16, 2020

EXPOSING the MANY Cybersecurity Threats to America's Elections with Rep. Louie Gohmert

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