00:00:58.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:06.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:36.000So your expertise with the Discovery Institute seems to be around education and most importantly, calling out this woke nonsense that is now infiltrating every single level of education in our country.
00:01:52.000Let's just take a big picture view first.
00:01:54.000Tell us about your work and tell us about what you are focusing on the most when it comes to critical race theory and kind of the woke industrial complex.
00:02:04.000Yeah, I've been looking really over the past year at critical race theory in American institutions.
00:02:09.000I started last summer with an investigative reporting series about diversity trainings in the federal government that ended up as an executive order, one of the best actions from the Trump administration.
00:02:19.000And since then, I switched gears to looking at education and really looking at how does this new racial orthodoxy, how does this new ideology based on critical race theory translate into the classroom, both for teachers who are put through some horrific training sessions and indoctrination sessions, and then also for kids.
00:02:37.000So what does the curriculum look like?
00:02:48.000A couple weeks ago, or maybe a week and a half ago, you came out with the Arizona Babies Are Racist story, Arizona Department of Education.
00:02:57.000Yeah, the Arizona Department of Education put out an equity toolkit to teachers and school administrators, including a lot of outrageous stuff.
00:03:06.000But I think the one that was most disturbing and troubling was they put out this graphic, this resource that suggested that babies show the first signs of racism by three months old.
00:03:17.000And by the age of four or five, babies become full-blown racists who have absorbed their racist culture.
00:03:24.000And they actually made one even distinction there that was kind of an extraordinary thing.
00:03:27.000They said, well, actually, babies of color at four and five years old are not racist.
00:03:32.000Only the white babies at four and five years old are racist.
00:03:36.000And Charlie, this is amazing, not only because it's absurd.
00:03:39.000We've seen so many absurd things the last few years, but because Arizona has a Republican governor and a Republican state legislature.
00:03:46.000And even with political power being in the hands of conservatives who I think would denounce this, it still makes its way into the bureaucracy.
00:04:19.000And then why is it all of a sudden so unbelievably popular?
00:04:22.000Yeah, critical race theory takes those ideas that you're talking about from Marcuse and others from the 1960s and updates them in the 1990s.
00:04:30.000It first started at law schools as critical legal theory, then became critical race theory as it applied to other disciplines.
00:04:36.000But the basic idea is that all human interactions and societies and social power can be reduced to racial conflict.
00:04:44.000So they take the old Marxist idea that the world can be divided into oppressor and oppressed based on social class.
00:04:51.000They update it and say, well, the world can be divided into oppressor and oppressed, but really it's on the basis of race.
00:04:57.000And the United States preaches the values of equality and freedom.
00:05:01.000But if you deconstruct those institutions and look under the surface of things like the Constitution, the Declaration, even the Civil Rights Act, the United States is a fundamentally racist country that maintains a white supremacist hierarchy.
00:05:14.000And critical race theorists basically say, we're the people that are uncovering the real truth about racial power in the United States.
00:05:20.000And we're offering this solution on how to turn kind of critical consciousness, turn on critical consciousness among people, academics, even students, and then subvert that system of kind of racist authority in the United States.
00:05:36.000So there's a lot there I want to unpack.
00:05:38.000And so before I ask you a question, let me play devil's advocate.
00:05:42.000So Christopher, let's say that I'm a campus activist with no wisdom, of course, and I'm asking you and screaming at you, saying basically, don't you see how racist America is?
00:06:00.000It just manifested itself differently.
00:06:02.000What is the factual, reasonable response to that?
00:06:05.000Well, I think the most important thing is to separate the premise from the conclusion.
00:06:09.000And this is really important when you think about critical race theory, because they always make their argument on historical injustice, which is a fact.
00:06:16.000I mean, there was historical injustice in every society in the world, including the United States, obviously.
00:06:22.000But what you have to say is, look, I acknowledge historical injustice.
00:06:25.000I acknowledge the existence of racism in present day United States.
00:06:29.000But your conclusions that you're drawing from critical race theory, that all forms of racial disparity are de facto forms of racism.
00:06:37.000The idea that every institution in the United States is plagued in the current day with systemic racism, and that every kind of narrative in the media, like the death of George Floyd, for example, is indicative of massive patterns of society.
00:06:52.000And you can say, I accept the premise, but I reject your conclusion.
00:06:56.000So what you don't want to do is let them bully you by saying, well, if you don't accept our ideas, that means you support slavery.
00:07:02.000I mean, that's like the kind of most basic argument that you hear in popular culture.
00:07:07.000And you could say, no, I reject and acknowledge historical injustice, but I also reject the conclusions that you draw about society today.
00:07:15.000Well, but it's also important to talk about how there's a lot more nuance to the idea that America was founded on slavery, where Thomas Jefferson in the original draft of the Declaration denounced slavery and actually blamed King George for it, how he banned the import of new slaves into the U.S., that we abolished slavery year after declaration.
00:07:34.000There's a lot more there than just this idea that the founding fathers were flag-waving slave owners.
00:07:41.000And I think that that's exactly right.
00:07:42.000And the way I look at it is really this.
00:07:44.000It's very easy for us to look back at historical injustice and say, oh, those people were really bad.
00:07:49.000I would have done it totally differently.
00:07:51.000I think that the real test is, let's say the founding fathers, did they leave the world better off?
00:07:57.000Did they move the entire planet and the entire history of the world towards freedom and equality or away from it?
00:08:03.000And any rational look at history would say, actually, they made a massive leap forward.
00:08:08.000And even Abraham Lincoln, who I think was the most anti-racist president in American history, said that Jefferson created the kind of silver frame and we were going for that golden apple or kind of metaphor along those lines.
00:08:28.000But I think that there's a good argument to be made that the founding fathers and then Lincoln and then the civil rights movement in the 1960s all were part of this fundamental American story of moving the world towards freedom and towards equality.
00:08:41.000And we should celebrate progress, not just dismiss it as an illusion.
00:08:47.000And it used to be an unquestioned truth that you could say in the American public school system, which is a question I want to talk to you about: regression.
00:08:54.000Why does it feel as if we're actually moving backwards, that there are deliberate attempts now to make us re-segregate ourselves to care more about skin color?
00:09:02.000Is it because we've actually reached a place where generally we have a meritocracy where good choices are rewarded, and the people that desire to have power, they have no other strategy or tactic left to go back?
00:09:15.000Or is it something more, is it something more complicated than that?
00:09:18.000Why does it feel as if now we're all of a sudden going backwards to how things once were?
00:09:24.000I think one of them is that the left became deeply disillusioned with the civil rights movement.
00:09:30.000And you see this in the literature of the critical race theorists.
00:09:32.000They say civil rights guarantees a colorblind society, guarantees equal protection under the law, guarantees anti-discrimination in the workplace and in college admissions, et cetera.
00:09:42.000But they haven't got the results that they had hoped for.
00:09:58.000So they're searching in their own intellectual history for even more radical solutions because they're very impatient with the pace of progress.
00:10:07.000The Martin Luther King vision of treating people equally, whatever their skin color didn't work.
00:10:13.000So we need to go back and revive the kind of Malcolm X tradition, which is radical, which is the Angela Davis tradition, which is the Communist Party USA tradition that was discredited in the 1960s, but now we find is being resurrected in our left politics.
00:10:30.000So let me again play devil's advocate for the sake of our listeners.
00:10:36.000Something that the critical race theorists will commonly say is: you, Christopher Ruffo, being a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant male, I don't know if you are those things, but they generalize by definition.
00:10:47.000Let's just say to you, Charlie Kirk, okay, I'm all of those things.
00:10:50.000I'm white, I'm Anglo-Saxon, I'm Protestant, I'm a male, all those things.
00:10:53.000You are not even allowed to contribute thoughts to the conversation because of how you look.
00:11:00.000Don't you understand that it's time for you to sit down and shut up and allow black people the opportunity to talk, to dominate, to have power?
00:11:11.000One is, I think that if you look at history, I think that I subscribe to the idea that we're all created equal and that we all should have a voice in the debate.
00:11:21.000I acknowledge you not as a white person or a black person or an Asian person, but as a human being and as an American, and we have a kind of a robust democracy that requires everyone to have a voice.
00:11:32.000But I also think that if you ask them very seriously this question, okay, well, what about black voices like Coleman Hughes or John McWhorter or Glenn Lurie or others?
00:11:41.000They say, well, those people are not what we mean.
00:11:45.000And I think that they use race in many cases as a kind of weapon to silence people, but they actually aren't consistent about it because black conservative voices, like the great Thomas Sowell, is not included, like Clarence Thomas is not included.
00:11:58.000So I think it's a hypocrisy that is used as a weapon and as a tool to silence people.
00:12:04.000And I just ignore it because it's like, I have my voice, you have your voice.
00:12:08.000We're all entitled to the freedom to speak.
00:12:10.000And people are entitled to listen or not.
00:12:15.000And I think that silencing people on the basis of race is just so out of control.
00:12:20.000And, you know, we're all, you know, all of us.
00:12:22.000I don't know your history and my history.
00:12:24.000You know, my great grandparents were feudal serfs.
00:12:26.000My grandfather dropped out of school in fifth grade.
00:12:29.000My father came to the United States as he lived in a one-room shack with no running water, no electricity, came to the United States with nothing and built a life for himself.
00:12:37.000And I have privileges, of course, and I acknowledge them.
00:12:40.000But the idea that I have privilege just because of my skin color, it's, you know, maybe a little bit yes, but it's much more complex than they would have you believe.
00:13:17.000I have to act on my own agency and my own character.
00:13:20.000Why does it feel like, Christopher, and maybe this is an obvious question, and I mean this completely seriously, like we've all lost our minds.
00:13:27.000Why does it seem as if that the bearings of Aristotelian logic and reason and common sense as if is it because that we've actually we gotten to a place where things were just so stable that we now are bored and we have to blow it up and reconsider our notions?
00:13:42.000Or is it that there is an intelligence behind the critical race theorist?
00:13:46.000Or is it so foolish said by smart people that people believe it?
00:13:50.000Yeah, I think it's a kind of contagious idea.
00:13:53.000And even though it's at odds with reality as most people live it, it's really kind of actually astonishing.
00:14:00.000Their success in taking these ideas from obscure academic journals in the 90s to now being the dominant ideology across all essentially all major American institutions, especially the public institutions, is really to their credit.
00:14:12.000And I think part of it is that Americans are not really kind of capable of resisting this ideology because what they do is they construct it like a mousetrap.
00:14:23.000They basically say, if you don't agree with us, that is evidence of your white fragility, evidence of your internalized white supremacy, evidence of your internalized racism.
00:14:34.000And then these kind of words are enormously powerful because I think most Americans are good people.
00:14:40.000They want to do everything in their power to help others.
00:14:44.000And just the accusation has such power that it silences people who would otherwise disagree.
00:14:50.000And you see, therefore, that they've used this rhetoric as a battering ram into the institutions.
00:14:56.000And then once they gain a foothold, they really just take them over.
00:14:59.000And I think that this is a kind of mutation of the thought of the left that draws on and has sought out all of these weak points in American culture and has exploited them masterfully to the point where we have now large institutions that are repeating their slogans, even though you know that they don't believe in it.
00:15:21.000But they found really no way to resist it, no way to voice opposition, no way to push back, even in institutions that have been kind of middle of the road, rational and logical places historically.
00:15:39.000I'm stunned at how successful they have been at the lack of courage and the lack of clarity from our leaders, the willingness of our corporations to embrace this, the willingness of the Pentagon to embrace this.
00:15:52.000And I could attribute to a couple of different things, the lack of courage, but also one of my guiding hypotheses on what's happening in America is basically the entire American political system is being driven of being called a racist.
00:16:05.000Basically, the number one reason someone votes Democrat is because they're afraid of being called the R-word.
00:16:10.000How have they been so successful around such garbage ideas?
00:16:18.000It's an extraordinarily powerful language, and they've figured out the soft spots and they exploit them, as I said.
00:16:25.000And I think that if you look at kind of the kind of intellectual framework of critical race theory, I think most people would read it and say, you know, this isn't great.
00:16:34.000But I think there's something else that's happening is that the left has had really the same political goal and economic goal for many years, since the kind of 1840s, 1850s.
00:16:46.000And they shifted to this racial rhetoric because they found it much more successful, much more kind of salient within our society.
00:16:57.000If you just said, hey, we want to have the poor Americans seize control of the factories and produce buses for the great proletariat, people would look at you like you're nuts.
00:17:08.000But if you say, hey, this is a racial disparity that reflects systemic racism and you need to do it, it's a kind of emotional argument that actually hooks into many points in American culture.
00:17:23.000And I think the right has also needs to take some responsibility for this because you have conservatives since really the Reagan era who have fought on economic issues almost exclusively.
00:17:34.000And they've ceded control over our cultural institutions because they say, hey, we're going to get our tax cuts.
00:17:49.000And I think a lot of the people, especially in kind of the larger, more established conservative institutions, especially policymakers that are elected officials, are just absolutely bewildered by these fights.
00:18:00.000They don't know how to orient themselves.
00:18:03.000They're unwilling to get out there and take the heat.
00:18:05.000And therefore, we've ceded control of the culture.
00:18:08.000And when you see the cultural institutions that are weaponizing these ideas in universities, in teacher training schools, in K-12 curricula, in Hollywood, in the New York Times, they take the narrative and they're just absolutely bombarding people's senses and overwhelming them until they submit.
00:18:28.000And so how then do you believe is the best way to counter this?
00:18:32.000We've had James Lindsay on the program, Peter Bogogian.
00:18:36.000We've talked about a lot, the problem a lot, and I have not got a good answer yet.
00:18:41.000The only answer I have is courage and clarity.
00:18:57.000And I thought the title was not perfect based on just what it's really about because it's really, it's a crisis of courage amongst America's parents.
00:19:05.000It's really the essence of the story, right?
00:19:06.000You have a bunch of overly very successful, somewhat entitled kids and successful parents in these communities in West Hollywood and New York that are anonymously complaining about how their kids are learning that they're racist, terrible.
00:20:07.000They need to understand what is the reality because the critical race theorists use a lot of very nice sounding words, equity, diversity, inclusion.
00:20:15.000And if you stop there, it's really hard to resist.
00:20:32.000I'm working with a coalition now of attorneys and legal foundations.
00:20:36.000We filed three lawsuits on these things.
00:20:37.000Where a lot of these training programs, if they traffic in racial stereotypes, if they degrade people, demean people, stereotype people on the basis of race, if they tell people that they're collectively guilty because of their skin color, and then if they compel speech that violates people's conscience, that's a violation of the constitutional constitutional rights of people.
00:20:56.000It's also a violation of Title VI and VII, depending on the institution of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
00:21:02.000I think we're going to win these cases.
00:21:04.000Eventually, we'll get them up to the Supreme Court and knock out a lot of these programs for American institutions.
00:21:09.000And then, third, what needs to happen is that there needs to be a grassroots movement of parents and citizens and employees standing up in their local institutions.
00:21:17.000And they're going to have to be courageous enough to put their name out there.
00:21:21.000They're going to have to be courageous enough to fight through the smears.
00:21:24.000And they're going to have to have the tenacity to actually get things done.
00:21:27.000And I'll share one last thing with you that I think is a huge bright spot.
00:21:30.000There's one community in the United States of America that has successfully pushed back against institutional wokeness in a huge way that's totally underreported.
00:21:45.000They've pushed back through ballot measures in Washington and California, eliminating some of these affirmative action programs that decimate Asian American admissions into colleges.
00:21:54.000And they are fearlessly fighting this fight.
00:21:56.000It's very hard to call them white supremacists because they're Chinese, but also they've lived through the cultural revolution in many cases in their home country of China.
00:22:05.000They see the same signs and signifiers today in our country, and they're just absolutely just unstoppable when they get organized.
00:22:15.000And I believe the Hispanic community is equally as able to have that sort of success against the critical race theorists because none of the studies or polls or political results most recently show that Latino or Hispanic communities have any sort of open-mindedness or willingness towards critical race theory.
00:22:35.000It really is a strange coalition of upper middle class, spoiled brat white liberals in suburban communities and black voters.
00:22:56.000I think it's a multiracial coalition of American elites.
00:23:00.000You know, I spent actually three years directing a documentary for PBS where I kind of lived and worked near a housing project in South Memphis.
00:23:08.000It's 100% black neighborhood people at the lowest level of the income scale.
00:23:12.000And I really got to understand their concerns and viewpoints and did a thousand interviews, talked to a lot of people.
00:23:19.000And what people and that community and communities like it, again, across all racial groups want has nothing to do with the ideas that the critical race theorists are proposing.
00:23:28.000I think in many cases it's a kind of, again, multiracial elite coalition in our institutions that is speaking on behalf of, let's say, black voters or people in the black community.
00:23:39.000But I think if you actually talk to people and say, hey, do you think X, Y, and Z, do you agree or not?
00:23:49.000So I think this idea that they're using vulnerable communities as kind of symbolic weapons.
00:23:57.000But I think it's, I would contest very strongly the idea that it truly is a kind of multiracial coalition or even a kind of multi-class coalition at heart.
00:24:07.000So I want to zero in on something you said that I get a lot of questions about.
00:24:12.000And we have done entire episodes on this.
00:24:14.000But can you help explain in your own words the difference between equity and equality?
00:24:25.000And that's exactly the technique because what they want to do is use a word that has a resonance that people will accept easily.
00:24:33.000Well, equity, yeah, it's like equality, but better updated.
00:24:36.000But equity and equality are actually very different.
00:24:38.000Equality is the idea of the 14th Amendment, that everyone is treated equally under the law.
00:24:43.000Equality is the idea on colorblindness, that, you know, in admissions or hiring or promotions, you should be treated on the basis of your accomplishments, not the basis of your inborn characteristics.
00:24:56.000It's also the idea that was really finally fleshed out into law in the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
00:25:10.000And you could see it from the very first beginning in the Declaration where they put out this big new idea.
00:25:15.000They kind of ripped open world history by saying we're founding a nation on the idea of equality.
00:25:20.000It was fought over and won with the blood of many Americans in the Civil War, and then was finally enshrined and codified into the statutory law in the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
00:25:31.000Equity is that you're saying the people who believe in equity reject the idea of individual rights.
00:25:37.000They reject the idea of unlimited right to private property.
00:25:41.000In many cases, like Ibram Kendi rejects, in some cases, the right to free speech, basically saying that free speech, fibrant property, individual rights, equal protection are all merely equality, but they produce disparate outcomes.
00:25:57.000We need to have a regime that is based not on equal protection, but on equal results.
00:26:03.000And if you look at the literature, what does it mean in practice?
00:26:07.000If you look at Cheryl Harris, a critical race theorist, a pioneering critical race theorist at Harvard and UCLA law schools in the 1990s, or Ibram Kendi, an interview he did in Politico, they say we should suspend private property rights and then redistribute on the basis of race.
00:26:21.000So basically seize land and wealth and power and redistribute it for equal group outcomes.
00:26:29.000And then Ibram Kendi said, we need a department of anti-racist that can or anti-racism that can invalidate, veto, or nullify any law at any level of government that doesn't produce the results that we think are anti-racist.
00:26:41.000And we need to have the power to control, to limit free speech, to limit federalism, so to limit the ability of states and localities to determine laws and have a single source of bureaucrats that are unaccountable to voters or the executive, a fourth branch of government that can mandate outcomes based on the philosophy of equity.
00:27:02.000If you can't tell the difference between those two things, I really hope that you do the homework because it is a homonym that sounds the same, but couldn't be more different.
00:27:16.000And a lot of our listeners need to hear that and re-listen to it.
00:27:19.000So rewind it, everybody, if you didn't get that, because there was more wisdom in those four minutes than the entire university at Yale, the whole university, there was more wisdom in those four minutes.
00:27:30.000I want to ask you about the definition of racism.
00:27:33.000We've talked about this on our program as well.
00:27:36.000The way I was raised, and I believe this is correct, is racism is if I discriminate against another person based on their skin color or have a prejudice against them.
00:27:45.000That is racism, an individual against another individual.
00:27:49.000Now, racism can collectivize itself, but it's very rare in today's America, let me say, and it's almost widely rejected.
00:28:00.000The new definition of racism seems to be not that John might discriminate against Larry and that a white person can be racist against a black person or a black person against a white person.
00:28:12.000Instead, it seems they have carefully, quickly, and with a lot of people noticing, substituted the definition of racism to be a power struggle.
00:28:23.000Can you talk about how racism does not mean what people think it means?
00:28:27.000Yeah, I mean, how we define words is incredibly important.
00:28:31.000And I think that they've sought to expand the definition of racism to cover everything.
00:28:36.000I mean, all the news stories are kind of funny, but it's true.
00:28:39.000It's like square dancing and logic and objectivity and comfort and showing up on time are all elements of white supremacist culture.
00:28:47.000So they're trying to basically extend the territory to cover anything that's convenient, but they reduce kind of imbalances of racial power as the fundamental dynamic.
00:28:57.000And they want to basically shift those hierarchies of power.
00:29:00.000That's what's the that's what is at the kind of root of their analysis.
00:29:04.000And, you know, I think there's a more nuanced take that either, you know, some conservatives say there's there's no racism in the United States.
00:29:27.000I think we still have residual racism.
00:29:29.000Like I said, I spent three years on a Memphis housing project.
00:29:33.000The legacy of racism and the damage of policies, even kind of well-meaning and well-intentioned policies from the 1960s that were thought of as anti-racist has done enormous damage to those communities.
00:29:50.000I don't think that the people running the show today are racist or having racist policies.
00:29:55.000I think our laws, our kind of formal laws are not racist.
00:29:59.000They've actually been changed to reflect this sense of equality.
00:30:02.000So I think we have to be open-hearted to say, you know what, I recognize that there is historical injustice.
00:30:08.000I recognize that there's residual effects.
00:30:10.000What can we do to come together as Americans to help people that are disadvantaged of any racial background, especially those who have historically suffered injustice?
00:30:20.000That's a, I think, should be a universal position.
00:30:24.000They're actually saying we need to weaponize historical injustice to achieve a kind of far left and in some cases, Marxist political agenda.
00:30:32.000Again, I reject that conclusion, even if I accept some part of the premise.
00:30:37.000So I would be remiss if I did not spend part of our time together talking about a phenomenal piece that you wrote, Revenge of the Gods.
00:30:48.000California's proposed ethnic studies curriculum urges students to chant the Aztec deity of human sacrifice.
00:30:55.000So I get up somewhat early and I start reading the news before our show.
00:31:00.000And when I'm a little bit groggy, I can't tell if some of my friends have sent me onion pieces or the Babylon B pieces.
00:31:08.000And so when I read this morning that California was saying that children should, let me make sure I get my terminology right of the pagan gods, chant to the god Tezcoct Kalapoca or whatever it is.
00:31:31.000So the new kind of euphemism for critical race theory in school curricula is called ethnic studies.
00:31:38.000Ethnic studies was a movement in the 1960s that was orchestrated by a group called the Third World Liberation Front with a major assist from the Black Panther Party in the Bay Area.
00:31:46.000They said, we need to decolonize the curriculum.
00:31:48.000We need to have anti-racist education.
00:31:50.000And now this kind of what was once a radical idea has become codified into law in the state of California, in the state of Oregon, pretty soon in the state of Washington, in the state of Illinois.
00:32:02.000It's becoming a kind of part of the state sanctioned curriculum.
00:32:05.000And then they go through this process of designing the specifics.
00:32:09.000And that's what I'm looking at in this piece.
00:32:10.000I actually went through and read, you know, 600 pages of curriculum documents.
00:32:22.000They're basically saying all those same things we've heard before.
00:32:25.000The United States is fundamentally racist.
00:32:27.000We need to organize education on the Marxist pedagogy of the oppressed to liberate students from patriarchy and white supremacy.
00:32:34.000Education should become, in essence, political activism.
00:32:36.000And in the appendix, they had this amazing thing.
00:32:38.000They said, we need to also teach California public school students, 6 million kids in 10,000 schools, these chants to the Aztec gods that are actually rats.
00:32:49.000And they say, we need to worship these gods and ask them, chant to them for the power to become, quote, warriors for social justice.
00:32:58.000Literally asking, chanting to the Aztec god of human sacrifice and cannibalism that actually led to the inspired the human sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of people in the Aztec society.
00:33:11.000Chant to them to be given the power for liberation, for decolonization, for social justice, for becoming warriors for social justice.
00:33:20.000And this is state-sanctioned religion.
00:33:22.000You can't have Christian prayers in school.
00:33:24.000That's a kind of Supreme Court precedent.
00:33:26.000But they're going to have students in California chant to the Aztec God of human sacrifice.
00:33:31.000It's something that like, I kind of, you know, I had my assistant, I had my editor at City Journal.
00:33:37.000I was like, guys, read this again and again and again.
00:33:39.000Make sure I'm getting this right because it's so crazy.
00:33:45.000And the whole curriculum, that's one kind of example, but the whole curriculum is designed around this ideology of decolonizing from white society, kind of rejecting things.
00:33:54.000And the author of the co-chair of this program, the Ethnic Studies Model Curriculum in California, in his supporting documentation that's referenced throughout the materials, even says, you know, the solution, among other things, is counter genocide against white Christians.
00:34:22.000What is happening with our education that it's being hijacked by the most extreme political radicals and then being force-fed to 6 million school children in California?
00:34:33.000So I want to ask you the obvious question, which a lot of people are asking.
00:34:37.000We already did the what can you do about it?
00:34:38.000And I thought your answers were great.
00:34:40.000And if anyone listening right now is being actively discriminated against based on the skin color, especially in a school system, and you're white, you're black, you're Hispanic, whatever, get involved in the law fair, please.
00:35:07.000It says here in your own piece that children are going to be chanting pancha be panche be or to the god of zippe totech all this stuff they want counter genocide what is their motivation here why are they doing this christopher people are this is the one thing that our bait this is actually what stops a lot of people from action because they go to a default position of good intentions They say,
00:35:35.000oh, well, it can't be as bad as Christopher is saying it.
00:36:14.000He says that the United States is a racist, sexist, patriarchal, heteropatriarchical, you know, kind of genocidal society that has committed and anthro-centric, anthropopical-centric, whatever this word is.
00:36:27.000Propocentric, meaning that it privileges human beings over trees and fish and other animals.
00:36:43.000But, you know, the ideology that he lays out in his book, which I unfortunately had to read, was basically that white Christian settlers, they came, they overthrew indigenous societies, they committed theocide against indigenous gods,
00:36:58.000and that we need to use this public education system in California to come up with a counter-revolution against the United States, against the Constitution, against kind of white settler colonial values, and then reinstate a kind of revenge of the gods,
00:37:14.000reinstate indigeneity, reinstate Shipetotec and Quetzalcatl and all these other Aztec gods and raise them up in essence to kind of have a counter-revolution, a counter-hegemony or counter-genocide, in his words.
00:37:29.000And this is a radical revolutionary product.
00:37:32.000It's based in this kind of very interesting fusion between a kind of race pride, a kind of Rasa struggle, race struggle, mixed with the Marxist pedagogy of the oppressed press, mixed with a kind of Marxist analysis of economics.
00:37:47.000And you have a kind of very explicit race supremacism mixed with a kind of Marxist political ideology.
00:37:56.000When you get those two things together and you put them in a state curriculum, the outcomes are not going to be good.
00:39:12.000Let there be a thousand flowers blooming, a thousand different pedagogies, a thousand different school models, a thousand different venture startups to provide education that matches people's values.
00:39:22.000And again, take money away from these corrupt public institutions and give them directly to families and kids so they can have a chance for a good education that reflects their values.