The Charlie Kirk Show - Facts First in Trump’s Impeachment — the Good, Bad, and Insane

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:00.000 Why are National Guard heroes sleeping on the floor in a parking garage in Washington, D.C.?

00:00:07.000 The Senate is moving forward with an impeachment trial.

00:00:10.000 What is President Trump's defense?

00:00:12.000 And I mentioned in this episode something that President Trump could have done differently and a mistake I think he made in the speech, but not one that we believe is impeachable.

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00:00:28.000 Senate impeachment trial is coming.

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00:00:31.000 We have the answers.

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00:02:11.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

00:02:12.000 Welcome to another episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:14.000 Back here at HQ and here with Isabel Brown.

00:02:17.000 Excited to be here, Charlie.

00:02:18.000 All right, so let's get right to the news of the day.

00:02:22.000 We have breaking over the evening.

00:02:25.000 It looks as if there was a story that's really gone viral of thousands of National Guardsmen forced to vacate the Capitol.

00:02:33.000 I am reading from Politico.

00:02:35.000 We feel incredibly betrayed.

00:02:37.000 And I read, quote, yesterday, dozens of senators and congressmen walked down our lines, taking photos, shaking our hands, and thanking us for our service.

00:02:46.000 Within 24 hours, they had no further use for us and banished us to the corner of a parking garage.

00:02:51.000 We feel incredibly betrayed.

00:02:53.000 There was outcry from both political parties.

00:02:56.000 Senate Democrat Chuck Schumer said, quote, if this is true, it's outrageous.

00:03:02.000 I will get to the bottom of this.

00:03:03.000 And Tom Cotton also followed with condemnation.

00:03:06.000 The question is, how did this happen in the first place?

00:03:09.000 And also, we are not going to do what the media would do if Donald Trump was president.

00:03:15.000 But let's just pretend that Donald Trump was president and this happened.

00:03:18.000 If Donald Trump was president and there were thousands of National Guardsmen in a parking garage, this would be not just the number one story.

00:03:28.000 There would be massive repudiation and condemnation from every single news outlet.

00:03:34.000 And Donald Trump would have been forced to comment on this already.

00:03:37.000 To date right now, President Biden has not commented, to the best of my knowledge, on what has happened with these National Guard members that have been put in the parking garage.

00:03:49.000 Congressman Madison Cawthorne, a friend of the show and a friend of mine, visited the National Guard members last evening.

00:03:57.000 And that video has over 1 million views on Twitter.

00:04:00.000 And so the question should just first and foremost be, why are they still in Washington, D.C.?

00:04:05.000 If you do not have the facilities, if you do not have the places for them to sleep, to house them, and there is not a clear and present threat in Washington, D.C., why are these people exactly here?

00:04:18.000 5,000 troops in one Senate garage with two stalls for a bathroom and one electrical outlet.

00:04:29.000 I'd love to see how they decided who got that one electrical outlet.

00:04:32.000 5,000 troops just there.

00:04:34.000 There are still over 20,000 troops in Washington, D.C. Why?

00:04:40.000 Well, the answer they say is because of what happened on January the 6th.

00:04:48.000 Compensating to this over-the-top degree does not change what happened on January the 6th.

00:04:57.000 I understand maybe having 5,000, 6,000 total troops and positioning them, but the overwhelming show of force seems somewhat political.

00:05:09.000 In fact, governors are now beginning to recall their troops, Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida and Governor Sununu from New Hampshire.

00:05:17.000 And by the way, this is all in the midst of a pandemic.

00:05:22.000 While we're not supposed to be close to each other, 5,000 troops were on top of each other in a Senate garage, no social distancing, no cell service, just kind of banished to the outskirts of the Capitol.

00:05:39.000 One National Guards member says, quote, and I'm reading, yesterday, dozens of senators and congresspeople walked down our lines, taking photos and shaking our hands and thanking us for our service.

00:05:49.000 Within 24 hours, they had no further use for us and banished us to the corner of a parking garage.

00:05:55.000 We feel incredibly betrayed.

00:05:57.000 Now, Democrats and the media are a little confused right now.

00:06:01.000 They're short-circuiting because the muscle memory that they've developed over the last four years all of a sudden won't work.

00:06:10.000 I can guarantee you that some of these reporters immediately, without even thinking about it, typed in White House press secretary request for comment, and they realized, oh, we don't do that anymore.

00:06:22.000 I guarantee you some reporters were about to call one of their sources inside the White House and they're like, oh, never mind.

00:06:29.000 You know what's so amazing about this political article?

00:06:32.000 Nowhere, according to, and I've just did a quick glance of it, does it say that the White House or President Biden were asked to comment on this story?

00:06:41.000 Could you imagine if thousands of National Guard troops just a week ago were in the United States Senate parking garage?

00:06:49.000 No, beyond my wildest dreams.

00:06:53.000 They would say, the White House has refused to comment.

00:06:56.000 Donald Trump, it's because Donald Trump has not sufficiently thwarted the Chinese coronavirus.

00:07:01.000 They never call it that, but you understand what I mean.

00:07:04.000 And so this story, well, obviously, it looks like it's being fixed.

00:07:09.000 Looks like the troops are getting back into proper facilities.

00:07:11.000 Greg Abbott from Texas is recalling his troops, and that's good.

00:07:15.000 But I think the bigger takeaway from this story is a lesson of how the media is now going to portray controversies.

00:07:25.000 Remember how they portrayed kids in cages?

00:07:28.000 Something that Donald Trump actually opposed, never supported, that was a policy of the Obama administration?

00:07:34.000 Kids in cages.

00:07:36.000 All because of Donald Trump.

00:07:37.000 Wrong.

00:07:38.000 The photos they were using were all under Barack Obama's administration and Joe Biden's administration.

00:07:45.000 But that didn't fit the narrative.

00:07:48.000 And so the takeaway from this specific story, and by the way, it was only largely broken and it went viral thanks to Benny Johnson from Turning Point USA and Congressman Madison Cawthorne going down.

00:08:00.000 And then lawmakers on both sides realized that there was some disgust here.

00:08:04.000 But Isabel, who's actually in charge of these troops?

00:08:06.000 Who's their commanding officer, if that's the correct term?

00:08:09.000 Well, Charlie, we were speaking before the show, just asking one another, how did this happen?

00:08:13.000 This doesn't make any sense to us how 5,000 people could be banished to the corner of a parking garage, no social distancing, which is of concern to many of these individuals.

00:08:23.000 One bathroom, no access to electrical outlets, in freezing temperatures, mind you.

00:08:28.000 This is the middle of winter, many of which were almost hit by cars.

00:08:31.000 People were saying, I've never been treated like this during all of my time in the service.

00:08:36.000 I just can't believe that I feel like I've been booted to the curb and told, figure it out on your own.

00:08:40.000 Who allowed this to happen?

00:08:42.000 By any logical standards, it would go in the chain of command in the military.

00:08:46.000 It would go back to our commander-in-chief.

00:08:48.000 Obviously, I think there's a lot more to the story here that's going to be unfolding within the next few days.

00:08:52.000 But ultimately, I just see such a lack of leadership in this situation.

00:08:56.000 It's so disappointing to me.

00:08:58.000 And I guess this person, Janine Burkhead, the Guard's inauguration task force commander, confirmed in a statement shortly after midnight that the troops were out of the garage and back into the Capitol building as authorized by the Capitol Police Watch commander.

00:09:13.000 Capitol Police spokesperson Eva Malecki said the department recently asked that troops' shifts be reduced to 12 hours to eight.

00:09:21.000 These are not, these are National Guard members of the states, which is a difference than if you called in the Marines or you called them the 101st Airborne.

00:09:29.000 That's not to say that they're not people that are also serving the military that are also National Guards members, but there's a distinction there that's really, really important, that these are deployed by the states in times of emergency or in times to try to quell public unrest.

00:09:43.000 And the way that this story kind of unfolded is a lesson for all of us.

00:09:49.000 And it shows that Biden will be given credit for everything and blamed for nothing.

00:09:55.000 And we're seeing that in a variety of different stories.

00:09:57.000 What if I told you that in just the last couple days, the Chinese coronavirus pandemic has turned the corner?

00:10:05.000 I know it's amazing.

00:10:06.000 I want to read a couple headlines from you.

00:10:09.000 On January 19th, NPR, where your tax dollars are going, National Public Radio says, quote, as death rate accelerates, United States records 400,000 lives lost to the Chinese coronavirus.

00:10:24.000 Yesterday, on the 21st of January, quote, current deadly United States coronavirus surge has peaked, researchers say.

00:10:32.000 Within two days, we go from death rate accelerating to death rate plateauing.

00:10:41.000 I'm waiting to independently confirm this because I have one of our team members of the Charlie Kirk show watching CNN because he, I guess he really decided he wanted some punishment today to see whether or not I don't think their ticker symbol of the Chinese coronavirus numbers are on anymore, are they, Connor?

00:11:00.000 I don't think they are.

00:11:01.000 And so we're checking.

00:11:03.000 We're going to see if CNN is doing it.

00:11:05.000 But remember, CNN had that huge board of cases, deaths, worldwide cases, and it kind of had this drumbeat of anxiety.

00:11:12.000 I mean, every time you turn on CNN, like, oh my goodness, things are terrible.

00:11:14.000 Things are horrible.

00:11:16.000 According to reports, and we will verify this, they've taken off the ticker symbol as well.

00:11:21.000 You are seeing specific and deliberate moves by the people in power to try and all of a sudden create a narrative under now President Biden that the virus is tapering.

00:11:33.000 It's not as big of an issue anymore.

00:11:36.000 And he will deserve credit for anything positive that happens, but anything negative, not so fast.

00:11:43.000 Senator Chuck Schumer has come out and said that he is going to move forward with the impeachment proceedings, and that's going to start on Monday.

00:11:50.000 Nothing says uniting the country like impeaching a guy who's golfing at Trump International Golf Course in Florida.

00:11:57.000 Okay, so the Senate has now said they are going to proceed with articles of impeachment.

00:12:07.000 Senator Chuck Schumer has come out and has said that starting Monday, there will be new articles of impeachment against the former president of the United States, not the president of the United States, the former president of the United States.

00:12:19.000 Now, there are arguments in the legal community that this is not even constitutional.

00:12:24.000 That can you impeach someone who is removed from office?

00:12:28.000 There are competing opinions on this, and it remains to be seen.

00:12:33.000 Remember, constitutional provisions do not bother Democrats.

00:12:39.000 They are going to proceed no matter what.

00:12:42.000 Let's go to cut 110.

00:12:43.000 Boy, we have a lot of cuts.

00:12:45.000 That's how hard our team works here on the Charlie Kirk show.

00:12:47.000 Cut 110.

00:12:50.000 Chuck Schumer on the floor saying that there will be a Senate trial to impeach Trump.

00:12:54.000 Play tape.

00:12:56.000 Now, as I mentioned, the Senate will also conduct a second impeachment trial for Donald Trump.

00:13:02.000 I've been speaking to the Republican leader about the timing and duration of the trial.

00:13:07.000 But make no mistake, a trial will be held in the United States Senate, and there will be a vote on whether to convict the president.

00:13:17.000 I have spoken to Speaker Pelosi, who informed me that the articles will be delivered to the Senate on Monday.

00:13:24.000 Just the fact that he is Senate majority leader to me is just so incredibly frustrating.

00:13:29.000 It should never have happened.

00:13:31.000 And there's actually, this is probably a different conversation for a different time, but former Senator Perdue, I think if he would have even contested the election results the first time against John Ossif, I think he would have gotten over the 50% threshold and the Democrats would not have control of the United States Senate.

00:13:49.000 Okay, however, the Democrats are now proceeding with impeachment at full speed.

00:13:56.000 And at the crux of this impeachment is whether or not Donald Trump incited the activities on January the 6th.

00:14:07.000 Now, the first impeachment was a drive-by impeachment.

00:14:11.000 It was a bogus impeachment.

00:14:13.000 There's only been four impeachments out of the House of Representatives in American history: Andrew Johnson, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Donald Trump.

00:14:20.000 He has 50% of all the impeachments.

00:14:22.000 And that just kind of goes to show not that Donald Trump is the worst president ever, the hyper-partisan political nature that we live in, that the Democrats will immediately, instantaneously reach for the most severe nuclear option imaginable.

00:14:41.000 And if we are serious about kind of trying to add context or clarity to what they're doing, then we need to take a step back and say, if the Democrats had a step beyond impeachment, would they use it?

00:14:56.000 The answer is, of course, they would.

00:14:58.000 And some people are asking us, and they're emailing us, freedom at charliekirk.com, what do you think about impeaching Biden?

00:15:03.000 Well, first of all, it's not going to happen.

00:15:05.000 We're a couple days in.

00:15:07.000 But I don't like the trivialization of the impeachment process.

00:15:11.000 I don't.

00:15:13.000 I don't think that someone should be impeached for something they necessarily did before.

00:15:18.000 And some people say high crimes and misdemeanors.

00:15:20.000 Trust me, I get all of that, especially when it comes to the current power structure.

00:15:24.000 But impeachment, as the founders intended it, was not something that was just supposed to be thrown around haphazardly.

00:15:33.000 Andrew Johnson was impeached over 100 years after the founding of our country.

00:15:40.000 Can you get the exact date?

00:15:41.000 I think Andrew Johnson was impeached in the 1870s.

00:15:47.000 1868.

00:15:48.000 1868.

00:15:49.000 So not quite 100 years.

00:15:50.000 So it took about 85 years, more or less, from the founding of our country for the first impeachment to proceed.

00:15:57.000 And the Andrew Johnson impeachment was just basically about cabinet appointments, if I remember correctly.

00:16:03.000 It was something about someone got appointed to something and they held him in contempt and impeachment was used against him, but he was acquitted in the Senate trial, if I'm not mistaken.

00:16:12.000 So my memory could be not serving me on that.

00:16:15.000 And then Bill Clinton was obviously lying under oath, Whitewater investigation, special prosecutor Ken Starr, who successfully moved impeachment through the House of Representatives and the Senate acquitted him because he did lie under oath.

00:16:30.000 And so then President Trump's first impeachment, ridiculous, we have to even go over this, was the Ukrainian phone call, not the Mueller report, nothing to do with Russia, one phone call.

00:16:40.000 And we went through that.

00:16:42.000 We know way too much about all of that cast of characters, Volcker and all these guys, and Shmerich Shimarela, who just interestingly disappeared.

00:16:51.000 He'll probably become director of national intelligence by the end of this term.

00:16:56.000 All of it leads to us to this impeachment.

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00:18:09.000 This is CNN politics.

00:18:11.000 Quote, McConnell privately says he wants Trump gone as Republicans quietly lobby to him to convict.

00:18:17.000 Okay, this might just be CNN doing what CNN does.

00:18:22.000 Trump is gone.

00:18:24.000 Okay, he's not president anymore.

00:18:26.000 So what they really mean is they want Trump gone forever, never be able to run again, and to punish him indefinitely and forever.

00:18:34.000 The article says, quote, and this is from CNN Politics by Michael Warren and Jamie Gangle.

00:18:41.000 Quote, as the House prepares to send articles of impeachment to the Senate on Monday, CNN has learned that dozens of influential Republicans around Washington, including former top Trump administration officials, have been quietly lobbying GOP members of Congress to impeach and convict Donald Trump.

00:18:56.000 The effort is not coordinated, but reflects a wider battle inside the Republican Party to those loyal to Trump and those who want to sever ties and ensure he can never run for president again.

00:19:05.000 And it continues to go on here.

00:19:07.000 But at the core of all of this, the real question will be, when it comes to the Senate impeachment, will they actually decide to impeach and convict based on their pent-up hatred and fear of Donald Trump, or actually the merits of what the complaint is?

00:19:27.000 Those are two completely different things.

00:19:29.000 You see, when we had the drive-by impeachment brought to you on the Republican side by Liz Cheney and her nine Republicans, you see, Liz Cheney thought that she was going to be leading many dozen, maybe even a hundred people into a kind of revolution against Donald Trump.

00:19:46.000 And she was kind of standing there all alone.

00:19:48.000 And the front page of Politico right now at politico.com says Republicans who impeach Trump are already on the chopping block.

00:19:56.000 Quote, candidates, donors, and local party officials are organizing against the 10 Republicans who voted to impeach Trump.

00:20:04.000 It's kind of contradictory to the CNN article.

00:20:06.000 I wonder whose sources are better, Politico or CNN.

00:20:09.000 I'm sure that there's some truth to both stories, but we know, because we're actually in the conservative base, that there is no appetite.

00:20:16.000 In fact, there is no tolerance for anyone right now that will proceed with the conviction and the impeachment of Donald Trump.

00:20:24.000 And you're going to see a lot of people that are going to try to kind of split the middle.

00:20:28.000 There are going to be people that say Donald Trump did not act properly at the rally.

00:20:32.000 You're going to have people that say Donald Trump shouldn't have spoken and all this, but impeachment shouldn't be used for such a measure.

00:20:40.000 We can get into all of that.

00:20:42.000 However, at least the vote is the vote.

00:20:43.000 The vote is the same.

00:20:44.000 It's either yes to convict or no to convict or yes present.

00:20:47.000 That's present is basically the same as not voting.

00:20:50.000 And so, but Isabel, what did the founders actually intend when it came to impeachment?

00:20:55.000 Impeachment was a very questionable subject for many of the founders because they were worried about too much influence from Congress to control the presidency and the executive branch of government.

00:21:07.000 Neil Kinkoff is an essayist that really talks about the Constitution and the history of what the founders intended with this very specific process, specifically relating to this language of high crimes and misdemeanors.

00:21:19.000 And that's really where the bulk of debate on whether or not someone should be impeached remains today in the American political system.

00:21:26.000 He writes, the framers meant for the phrase high crimes and misdemeanors to signify only conduct that seriously harms the public and seriously compromises the officers' ability to continue.

00:21:36.000 If the phrase is given a less rigorous interpretation, which arguably we're seeing a lot of today, it could allow Congress to influence and control the president and the courts, which was exactly what the framers were worried about when drafting the language in the Constitution.

00:21:50.000 And it was never supposed to be just a vote of no confidence.

00:21:54.000 It was never supposed to be used as frequently as twice in one calendar year.

00:21:58.000 That's correct.

00:21:59.000 This would be the second impeachment in one calendar year.

00:22:03.000 So there's a lot I want to unpack with this impeachment, but let me start here before we get into the merits of the case and some of the specifics.

00:22:10.000 Why has President Joe Biden said to cut this out?

00:22:13.000 Why has he not said no impeachment?

00:22:16.000 Joe Biden went on endlessly about St. Augustine and unity and bringing people together.

00:22:23.000 It was an attempted speech of we are the world kumbaya.

00:22:28.000 Admirable.

00:22:30.000 It, I guess, it appeals to our ideals of trying to live cohesively.

00:22:36.000 You want to unite the country as the president of the United States, not the president of the Democrat Party, two completely different things, then you, as president, should use your political clout.

00:22:46.000 And this is what Joe Biden should say.

00:22:49.000 And guess what?

00:22:50.000 I'll applaud him.

00:22:51.000 I mean this non-sarcastically.

00:22:53.000 If Joe Biden gives a primetime address and says, Donald Trump is terrible, I want to applaud him for that, obviously.

00:22:58.000 Blah, End this impeachment right now.

00:23:02.000 And instead, use your time and attention to pass my COVID relief package. 0.90

00:23:06.000 Now, his COVID relief package is garbage, but at least that's what civil government is supposed to be, right?

00:23:17.000 I would respect it because all of a sudden you'd say, let's end this whole chapter of we need to purge who came before me at every means necessary. 0.90

00:23:27.000 The fact Joe Biden has not done this shows that he is now responsible for the division, for the acrimony, for the chaos that will ensue.

00:23:39.000 And when I mean chaos, I mean political chaos.

00:23:43.000 And anyone who decides to act improperly as a response to this, you know, we don't support any of that stuff.

00:23:50.000 We denounce it completely and categorically.

00:23:53.000 However, people are going to get very upset if they see their leaders as their first priority after they're sworn in.

00:24:03.000 Their first legislative focus is: let's go impeach the guy who's eating meatloaf at his private club in Palm Beach.

00:24:14.000 Like, that's really the focus legislatively.

00:24:17.000 And Joe Biden is owning this now.

00:24:20.000 There is no more deflection.

00:24:22.000 None.

00:24:24.000 There is no more, this is Donald Trump's fault.

00:24:27.000 This is Mitch McConnell's fault.

00:24:28.000 No, it's actually all on you, Joe Biden.

00:24:31.000 You're both the leader of the Democrat Party and the leader of the country.

00:24:36.000 And you just can't play this like, oh, this is a legislative item. 0.56

00:24:40.000 That's a bunch of nonsense.

00:24:42.000 You didn't allow Trump to have that excuse. 0.89

00:24:44.000 You didn't allow Bush to have that excuse.

00:24:46.000 You didn't allow Reagan to have that excuse.

00:24:50.000 And so the real question is, why is Joe Biden not doing that?

00:24:59.000 Maybe it's because he's waiting and he'll do it soon.

00:25:03.000 Probably not.

00:25:04.000 Maybe it's because what he's been saying all along about unifying the country has been a mirage.

00:25:15.000 It's vapor.

00:25:16.000 It's baseless.

00:25:19.000 Or a more likely scenario, Joe Biden's not in charge.

00:25:25.000 Joe Biden is afraid.

00:25:28.000 And Joe Biden, as being president, is afraid that Congress is going to be calling the shots and Senator Harris or Vice President Harris is going to be calling the shots and not him.

00:25:39.000 He does have some clout right now.

00:25:40.000 And if he wants to bring the country together, he could do something that is magnanimous and it would take courage and it would stand up to people both now, according to CNN, Republicans and Democrats, that now want to put us through this show trial circus.

00:25:55.000 This is from Politico.

00:25:57.000 The verdict may hinge on due process concerns.

00:26:00.000 Quote, during last week's impeachment, House Democrats did not allow Trump's lawyers to present evidence on his behalf or give him a shot to rebut the charges against him.

00:26:11.000 Sure, you can call this a red herring, and Democrats no doubt will.

00:26:14.000 This is from Politico playbook.

00:26:16.000 But traditionally, impeachments have allowed for this sort of rebuttal.

00:26:19.000 And the lack of that opportunity for Trump is clearly causing some issues for the Republican Party.

00:26:23.000 That's why McConnell laid down a marker on Thursday, good, saying that he believes Trump, no matter how guilty people think he may be, deserves time to prepare and have his case heard.

00:26:33.000 Remember, some Democrats have discussed a three-day trial, a three-day trial, three days.

00:26:41.000 And like that, he has to get together his defense, witnesses, due process. 0.75

00:26:45.000 This is a Soviet show trial.

00:26:48.000 Sources tell us that Pelosi, in addition to Biden's team, have privately made clear they want this done fast, though they're leaving it to Schumann to negotiate. 0.66

00:26:56.000 So still do it, but we'll unify the country after we impeach the guy before us, demoralize all the Trump supporters and say you're never going to be in power again.

00:27:03.000 Then we'll unify the country.

00:27:06.000 So that when they need unity coming, kind of waiting.

00:27:09.000 Isabel and I are waiting patiently for the unity.

00:27:13.000 So let me get this straight.

00:27:14.000 The unity will happen after the abolition of the Keystone Pipeline.

00:27:18.000 Men can now play in women's sports.

00:27:19.000 We'll get to that. 0.82

00:27:20.000 The impeachment, after the domestic war on terror, that's when we're going to unify.

00:27:26.000 We are eagerly waiting to unify.

00:27:29.000 We want to unify.

00:27:32.000 Tell me your plan to unify the country.

00:27:34.000 But the crux of the entire impeachment should surround itself on facts.

00:27:44.000 The American system, the American judicial system has its flaws.

00:27:51.000 You can stack juries, you can tamper with evidence, but it's still, alongside the British system, the crown jewel of the entire world.

00:27:59.000 It really is.

00:28:00.000 The British system might actually be a little bit better than ours because they really take impartial judges seriously there, like super seriously.

00:28:08.000 And I've talked, I have a lot of friends in London, and when I visited there a couple years ago, they said, I've lived in America, I've lived in the United Kingdom.

00:28:16.000 Even America is better at almost everything, but you really get a fair shake in the United Kingdom when you get in front of a judge.

00:28:23.000 And of course, our system of common law is based from the British system.

00:28:29.000 And the system is based in a couple very simple ideas.

00:28:35.000 That the state has the burden to prove why your freedom should get restricted, why you should be imprisoned, why you should be indicted, so on and so forth.

00:28:45.000 That you have the presumption that you didn't do anything wrong, the presumption of innocence.

00:28:51.000 That you, as a citizen, are given the not just the burden, but the opportunity to then have counsel representation so you do not have to advocate for yourself.

00:29:10.000 So it's not in the third world where you have to go in front of a judge and explain your own case.

00:29:14.000 You can have someone who is bound by the law to negotiate for you, meaning that they cannot argue against you.

00:29:21.000 They cannot break privilege.

00:29:24.000 And so the United States Senate is supposed to be a reflection of that system.

00:29:29.000 The United States Senate is supposed to not all of a sudden embrace some form of a 1960s Soviet show trial where if you're not in the right party and we didn't like what you did or tweeted or said, we're going to get rid of you.

00:29:43.000 And the Constitution actually articulates rights to due process, Fourth Amendment rights, representation of counsel, freedom of speech rights, all of these sorts of different things.

00:29:55.000 The question is, will the United States Senate decide to follow the U.S. Constitution or go through what is nothing more than kabuki feeder, going through something that is completely and totally fake, a baseless and sham impeachment.

00:30:16.000 The Senate is now beating the drums of impeachment.

00:30:20.000 The indications are they want to get this done over, signed, sealed, and delivered in three days or less.

00:30:27.000 There are traffic court disputes that take more than three days.

00:30:31.000 We're talking about impeaching a former president of the United States that I'm not exactly sure how this works.

00:30:39.000 I think the Supreme Court's going to review this, don't you, Isabel?

00:30:41.000 I think they absolutely should, Charlie.

00:30:42.000 There's a massive question pending before the American people here on whether or not it's even constitutionally protected to impeach and convict someone who's not currently in office.

00:30:53.000 They say civil officer, is that right?

00:30:55.000 Yeah, civil officer is the language used on whether or not someone can be impeached.

00:30:58.000 If you are a civil officer, you're eligible to be impeached.

00:31:01.000 But the legal definition for that word is so important.

00:31:04.000 It's any person who is appointed by the government and who holds current, present tense executive, legislative, or judicial authority.

00:31:12.000 Which is not a former president.

00:31:14.000 And so it's very well that this could be an unconstitutional exercise.

00:31:14.000 No.

00:31:19.000 However, the impeachment going only for three days with who knows what kind of due process and cross-examination of witnesses will be allowed.

00:31:31.000 We do not know who Trump's legal team will be.

00:31:33.000 My guess is that Alan Dershowitz will rejoin and he will receive even.

00:31:38.000 I think Alan Dershowitz just loves the fight.

00:31:40.000 He's a free speech guy, and I have a lot of respect for him in a lot of different ways.

00:31:44.000 My guess is he'll rejoin to defend the president against the idea of impeaching a president, not necessarily defending the president on the merits of the case, but just kind of indicting the idea, for lack of a term, indicting, the idea of impeachment.

00:31:59.000 I want to go through what their accusations will be.

00:32:03.000 And I want to go through kind of our own, you know, kind of pasted together response, if you will, of the defense of what can or what will President Trump do, former President Trump do, to defend himself against this?

00:32:24.000 Because the crux of the entire impeachment is that Donald Trump gave specific and total marching orders, and those marching orders were acted upon, and therefore he is guilty of incitement.

00:32:38.000 We find it to be a lot more complicated than that.

00:32:40.000 And I think we have been unpacking the specifics of what happened on January the 6th.

00:32:45.000 And even if you hate Donald Trump and you're listening to this and you're like, I'm sick of it.

00:32:50.000 I want him gone forever.

00:32:52.000 Do not use ultimate power and authority to implement your own personal bias and prejudice when the merits of the case are not there.

00:33:01.000 That is not what a justice system is for.

00:33:03.000 That is not what an impeachment process is for.

00:33:06.000 We are now, we are already seeing the widespread abuse, the blurring of the lines, and the breaking down of traditional constitutional norms with two impeachments in one year constituting 50% of all the impeachment ever had in the history of our beautiful country.

00:33:24.000 That, by the way, were promised before this individual was even sworn into office.

00:33:28.000 On January 20th, 2017, they told us they were going to impeach him.

00:33:30.000 The day he got sworn in, an hour after the case against impeaching Trump has already begun.

00:33:36.000 And even if you hate Trump, and even if you're watching this, and there's a lot of people that are mixed on this, that listen to us, and thank you for listening.

00:33:43.000 You should say, I refuse to allow a political deletion campaign to succeed using the highest constitutional measure of a check and balance given to us by the founding fathers and the framers for someone who is not even currently occupying the White House that he can never run again because I'm either afraid that he's going to run again or I think he's annoying or whatever it is.

00:34:11.000 Be very careful using that metaphorical loaded gun on the table because that sort of power against a political opponent you don't like could be again used against someone you might like in the future.

00:34:28.000 This is why we have elections.

00:34:30.000 This is why we have the capacity to even censor, censure, not censor, which is like a vote of disapproval.

00:34:40.000 Impeachment is the highest threshold the Founding Fathers gave us.

00:34:43.000 And the Democrats are quick to run into it instantaneously because he's just that bad, even though he's no longer in office.

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00:36:01.000 Trump is about to be on trial, a Senate trial.

00:36:04.000 Now, will this trial around his impeachment is it constitutional?

00:36:09.000 We've explored this and we don't know.

00:36:11.000 It's supposed to be in the United States Constitution current office holders that have current power, not former office holders.

00:36:18.000 Now, there's an argument to be made, though, that I'm sure they'll make that they impeached him while he was in office, and now therefore they're completing the task of what he was in office.

00:36:26.000 I don't know about that argument.

00:36:28.000 I don't think that should really hold up.

00:36:30.000 Yeah.

00:36:31.000 But let's pretend that it's constitutional and it's proceeding.

00:36:35.000 The kind of baseline of the Democrat argument is the following: that there was an event in Washington, D.C. Donald Trump spoke to that event.

00:36:47.000 Based on his remarks, the people at that event then stormed the Capitol, committed acts of domestic terrorism, insurrection, and other types of crimes.

00:37:00.000 Now, more so than any other program, I believe we have factually gone through the footage and gone through exactly what we believe based on all publicly available information.

00:37:09.000 What the heck actually happened on January the 6th?

00:37:12.000 Now, some of you might be exhausted hearing about this.

00:37:16.000 Well, buckle up for at least another week because you're about to see whether or not your Constitution still exists or not based on the facts of this case.

00:37:26.000 It's that simple.

00:37:27.000 And so the information surrounding what happened on January the 6th, what President Trump said, what he didn't say, what he said correctly, what he said incorrectly, is incredibly important.

00:37:39.000 And we're going to shoot it to you guys straight here.

00:37:41.000 We're going to tell you what Donald Trump did correctly at that speech.

00:37:44.000 We're going to tell you something that I don't think he should have said and an impression that he gave to the people there that I think was a very big mistake.

00:37:51.000 We're going to go through all of that.

00:37:53.000 Now, does that mean that he should be impeached as a former office holder for it?

00:37:56.000 I do not think so, not even close.

00:37:59.000 So let's start with the one piece of information here.

00:38:01.000 Let me read to you from the Washington Post here.

00:38:04.000 I want to make sure I read this specifically in a second once I find it.

00:38:08.000 That this looks more and more like a pre-planned operation alongside some people that got very caught up in the moment.

00:38:19.000 There is an individual that was arrested a couple days ago on the first charge of conspiracy.

00:38:26.000 It's a very high threshold to be indicted on conspiracy.

00:38:29.000 He was part of the group of people that you saw the clip of on our program that were walking up the Capitol steps in full tactical military gear, holding each other's back, like kind of holding each other's neck collar, kind of being able to hold going towards the conflict.

00:38:46.000 And he has now been arrested on conspiracy.

00:38:49.000 So let's just go through the first and foremost facts of the case.

00:38:51.000 In fact, we have a tape of this.

00:38:53.000 So as you see here, if you just look at the guys in the helmets, those do not look like typical Make America Great Again rally attendees.

00:39:02.000 They are holding on to each other.

00:39:04.000 They are walking towards the Capitol building upwards.

00:39:08.000 You can see they're walking uphill, and they're almost in communication with each other.

00:39:12.000 They stand out from the entire crowd.

00:39:14.000 And so now, then you see another guy motioning, come on, guys, come on, guys.

00:39:18.000 Now's our chance. 0.95

00:39:18.000 Ridiculous. 0.95

00:39:20.000 And ridiculous, meaning like, what were they thinking? 1.00

00:39:22.000 And they're fools. 0.98

00:39:23.000 And so now I want to go back to the beginning of the clip, please, and just play this one more time and pause it a couple seconds in. 0.97

00:39:32.000 And so this clip right here is very important.

00:39:34.000 Pause if you can.

00:39:36.000 Thank you.

00:39:37.000 Do you guys see they have backpacks on?

00:39:39.000 What's the one thing we know about backpacks?

00:39:41.000 We unpacked this a bit last week, Charlie.

00:39:43.000 The backpack.

00:39:44.000 Backpacks.

00:39:44.000 Oh, that's good.

00:39:45.000 I didn't even mean to do that.

00:39:46.000 Backpacks are not allowed into any event that requires Secret Service security.

00:39:51.000 It's just not even within the realm of possibility.

00:39:53.000 So the most likely explanation for why there's backpacks there is that those individuals were not present at the ellipse to hear the president speak.

00:40:00.000 Bingo.

00:40:00.000 And we have no evidence to believe that they were.

00:40:02.000 Now, that's not to say everyone around them was not necessarily at the ellipse.

00:40:05.000 That's not to say that everyone around them might have also been at the ellipse.

00:40:08.000 However, we are all of a sudden adding a piece of information that is a little bit contrary to this overarching Democrat narrative, which is that there were people there that were in Washington, D.C. for the sole purpose of creating chaos, chaos, takeover.

00:40:26.000 I don't know what it is.

00:40:28.000 And prison time sounds like an appropriate measure for people that seek out our nation's capital for that intended purpose.

00:40:37.000 There's a timeline from the New York Times that's super helpful where they even admit some of the kind of tussle with the law enforcement began before the president's remarks even concluded.

00:40:48.000 In fact, according to Vice, The Atlantic, New York Times, and Washington Post, not exactly conservative outlets, right?

00:40:57.000 Crowds were gathering on the east side of the Capitol building well before the president even took the stage.

00:41:05.000 I want to play some tape.

00:41:06.000 Is this Vox or is this Vice?

00:41:08.000 I get them all confused, Vice.

00:41:10.000 And I mean, no offense, but I just get them out.

00:41:13.000 They're all liberal.

00:41:15.000 This is Vice.

00:41:17.000 Listen carefully.

00:41:18.000 This is a journalist who begins to prove the point that we're making, which is there's more to the story where he says people were leaving the rally before the president was even done speaking.

00:41:30.000 Play tape.

00:41:32.000 Before Trump's speech was even finished, many were already making their way to the Capitol.

00:41:39.000 Stop protecting pirates!

00:41:41.000 Stand down!

00:41:42.000 And as more protesters arrived, the mood darkness.

00:41:46.000 So that guy on the megaphone did not look like a typical MAGA guy.

00:41:51.000 And so you can kind of tell that some people were there for a conflict based on wearing goggles.

00:41:57.000 They had gas masks on, not exactly normal attire at a Trump rally.

00:42:03.000 And so the, and this is the New York Times timeline here, which is actually really, really helpful.

00:42:09.000 And so the narrative that they're going to put forward in this impeachment trial, and that's actually the picture I want to show.

00:42:15.000 There were massive crowds gathering at 11:50 a.m. on the east side of the Capitol.

00:42:20.000 That's two hours before the president's speech concluded.

00:42:23.000 And by the way, this does not get the president out of the woods yet.

00:42:26.000 I want to be very clear.

00:42:26.000 We're going to get into his remarks in a second.

00:42:28.000 What we are doing, though, and neither of us are defense lawyers, but we're going through this just using logical reasoning and facts, starting to contribute some other information to the narrative.

00:42:37.000 If you see in this image here, as it starts to get pulled up, you can see one of these gentlemen was just arrested on conspiracy.

00:42:46.000 The guy on the left who's screaming, who seems very excited with the walkie-talkie.

00:42:53.000 Okay, so here's just kind of MAGA rally 101 and take it from a guy who has planned these, attended these, and kind of knows a little bit about these, okay?

00:43:04.000 You don't dress like this when you go to a MAGA rally.

00:43:06.000 Now, what do you notice about this, Isabel?

00:43:08.000 What side are they on?

00:43:09.000 They're on the east side of the side, which is really hard to get to from the ellipse.

00:43:14.000 So, all of these guys, almost all of them, and some of them are doing symbols with their hands that would go to show us that let's just say that's those signs have been, I think, categorized by you don't do those signs at a Trump rally.

00:43:32.000 Let's just do it that way.

00:43:32.000 I don't have to get into that many more.

00:43:35.000 If you're wearing an orange hat like one of these gentlemen, and I don't know if he committed a crime that day, or maybe he just felt like dressing up like a commando.

00:43:43.000 I don't know.

00:43:44.000 But an orange hat with a green vest with gloves on, does that look like a guy that's all of a sudden going to try and go to a Trump rally?

00:43:55.000 The answer is no.

00:43:56.000 If you would go through that through a MAG at a secret service, they'd say, why are you dressed like that, sir?

00:44:02.000 In fact, they'd probably pull you aside.

00:44:03.000 In fact, they'd pull you aside and start asking you questions.

00:44:06.000 And so, just using general logic, these people on the east side of the Capitol, which is super important, which is disconnected from the ellipse in a lot of different ways, they were there to cause trouble.

00:44:17.000 They were there to either seek out trouble, be instigators, whatever you might call it.

00:44:22.000 And some of them have been arrested just for that.

00:44:24.000 The other thing is this, as this image is up, why the walkie-talkie?

00:44:28.000 Really?

00:44:29.000 Who goes to a Trump rally with a walkie-talkie?

00:44:32.000 This guy that's screaming in the bottom line.

00:44:33.000 There are several walkie-talkies now that I look closer, actually.

00:44:36.000 Probably bring walkie-talkies to communicate with each other outside of any sort of monitoring.

00:44:41.000 We're now going to put up a map from the New York Times that kind of shows in really good detail the point that we're trying to make.

00:44:47.000 So, thank you, New York Times.

00:44:49.000 And so, the Trump speech is on the left.

00:44:51.000 That is the west side of Washington, D.C.

00:44:53.000 Well, not West, but West for our own purposes here.

00:44:57.000 That is where the president gave a speech right near the White House.

00:45:00.000 Two miles away, you have the United States Capitol building, where you see on the right side of your image, you see three different arrows showing it with people marched and walked.

00:45:11.000 On the right side of the Capitol, it's cut off a little bit, but it says supporters already at the Capitol.

00:45:17.000 That was where we had the picture of the walkie-talkie man and the orange hat people that were there for, they weren't there to hear the president, they were there for something else.

00:45:26.000 And they were there to try to cause trouble.

00:45:29.000 They had walkie-talkies, they had military tactical gear, and they wanted to be able to communicate.

00:45:34.000 They wanted to be able to plan.

00:45:35.000 They wanted to be able to coordinate outside of maybe any interference, signals being jammed, or whatever.

00:45:41.000 Not everyone that went to the Trump speech went to the Capitol.

00:45:44.000 In fact, a small percentage did.

00:45:46.000 300,000 people went to President Trump's speech at the ellipse, and about 10,000 people got around the Capitol, like kind of around it.

00:45:56.000 And then a couple thousand people got up on the actual platform, and then about 500 people breached into the Capitol.

00:46:04.000 And that information is so important from a timing perspective, too, Charlie.

00:46:08.000 If you're watching this and you've never been to a large-scale demonstration or march in Washington, D.C., for hundreds of thousands of people to be jam-packed together downtown, that would take a very, very, very long time to march two miles from the ellipse to the United States Capitol.

00:46:24.000 It's completely unrealistic that instantly, as soon as the speech was over, all of those people would be there.

00:46:30.000 And so a guest on our program, Pastor Rick Brown, was in D.C. that day.

00:46:34.000 He went to the speech at the ellipse and he walked on the National Mall, never got near the Capitol, just got a weird feeling and walked away.

00:46:42.000 He's now being grouped into all the other people, you know, a terrific man of God, because he just happened to be in Washington, D.C. that day.

00:46:49.000 That's a first point that needs to be made.

00:46:52.000 Okay, so let's get to some of these clips here.

00:46:53.000 And then I want to get into also what President Trump said.

00:46:56.000 Was everything he said perfect?

00:46:58.000 I think he did say one thing in his speech that was a mistake.

00:47:01.000 And I'll just say it bluntly.

00:47:03.000 There are two things in his speech that I think was a mistake.

00:47:06.000 One that I think had more of a mistake.

00:47:08.000 Do I think it's impeachable?

00:47:09.000 No, I do not.

00:47:10.000 But we're just going to shoot it to you straight.

00:47:12.000 So let's go to some of this, some of these clips here.

00:47:12.000 Okay.

00:47:16.000 We got a lot of clips, as you well know.

00:47:18.000 We did get a question right here, and maybe Isabel, you can help answer it: freedom at charliekirk.com. 0.95

00:47:22.000 Has the pink hat lady been arrested yet?

00:47:24.000 Not to my knowledge. 0.99

00:47:25.000 I don't know that they have found Pink Hat Lady. 0.93

00:47:27.000 We went into great detail of Pink Hat Lady the other day on this program, but she's definitely a key player in the events that unfolded on January 6th, and I'm hopeful that she'll be arrested.

00:47:37.000 So, Isabel, can you call us some clips here?

00:47:39.000 I'm trying to get to the same list that you're on here.

00:47:41.000 Yeah, so guys, I want to break down for you just the enormity of how many different situations were taking place at the Capitol on January 6th.

00:47:49.000 It was chaos.

00:47:50.000 Chaos.

00:47:51.000 So many moving parts, different groups, different individuals.

00:47:54.000 There's been some key players that have risen to the top, one of which being John Sullivan, who amazingly was interviewed on CNN the night of January 6th for taking the video footage of Ashley Babbitt being shot in the United States Capitol building.

00:48:07.000 We have a couple clips talking about John Sullivan's role really within the events that unfolded on January 6th.

00:48:14.000 But before that, even he was a leader of an organization called Insurgents USA and in Washington, D.C., loves talking about how much it's time for revolution.

00:48:23.000 We've got clip 109 ready to show you guys, and it really just speaks to his intentions here in Washington, D.C. Play tape.

00:48:30.000 Formed against our group.

00:48:31.000 We out there strapped. 0.66

00:48:32.000 We out there ready to burn that down.

00:48:34.000 We out there to defend ourselves. 1.00

00:48:35.000 We got to rip Trump out of that office right over there, and pull him out that shit. 1.00

00:48:40.000 Nah, nah, we ain't about waiting until the next election. 1.00

00:48:42.000 We're about to go get that motherfucker. 1.00

00:48:44.000 I ain't about that. 1.00

00:48:45.000 Because you know what time it is?

00:48:47.000 I want y'all to be after me.

00:48:48.000 It's time for a revolution.

00:48:58.000 So he has been arrested.

00:48:59.000 He's actually out on bail.

00:49:01.000 And he was arrested for going into the Capitol and I believe for unlawful entry.

00:49:07.000 And there was some, I want to be specific on his indictment, but he's a BLM guy, professional agitator that dressed and disguised himself as a Trump supporter.

00:49:16.000 So that starts to question the narrative a little bit.

00:49:18.000 So not everyone there was at the ellipse, and not everyone there is even a supporter of the president.

00:49:22.000 He's calling for the president to get pulled out of the White House.

00:49:25.000 Correct.

00:49:25.000 He's calling for Trump to get pulled out of the White House and he was also in the Capitol.

00:49:29.000 So that changes the narrative a little bit.

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00:50:34.000 Here's the basic kind of framing we want to present here: which is: was this mostly a premeditated event?

00:50:45.000 Or was this mostly a spontaneous incited event?

00:50:52.000 Now, it's actually not either or.

00:50:55.000 It's not because there's evidence to show that there's a little bit, there's both.

00:51:00.000 However, the evidence is more and more pointing in the direction that the people that were leading this, that were actually in the Capitol, and that were penetrating the Capitol from within, including Pink Hat Lady, had schematics, architecture, design, and an idea of exactly what was going to happen.

00:51:19.000 And look, we're going to shoot it to you straight.

00:51:21.000 BLM Incorporated, that guy was involved, John Sullivan.

00:51:24.000 There were also Trump supporters that were involved that got caught up in this, some of which regret their actions, others that do not regret their actions.

00:51:33.000 I think they will eventually.

00:51:36.000 So the question is, as we go into these clips here, which is really important, and I hope some of these clips are played during the Senate impeachment trial.

00:51:44.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:51:45.000 Because the Senate is the jury, right?

00:51:47.000 Correct.

00:51:48.000 And so the House is the prosecution, and then Trump has to have some sort of defense.

00:51:54.000 And so John Sullivan cut 115, where it is showing him disguising himself in a Trump hat.

00:52:03.000 That's him on the right.

00:52:04.000 That's his mugshot.

00:52:05.000 And that's him wearing his Trump hat.

00:52:06.000 There's also been Discord chats released showing that he was bragging that he was infiltrating.

00:52:12.000 And this was precisely what we were concerned about as the events of January 6th were unfolding and we were sitting here in real time breaking down the information.

00:52:20.000 We said, just because you're wearing a red MAGA hat or a hat that says someone's name on it does not mean you have support for that individual.

00:52:26.000 So I'm interested to see if more of these stories come out.

00:52:29.000 Totally.

00:52:30.000 And so this one is probably one of the most interesting clips that I think we have where it shows that there is instructions being given and the people that were really doing the heavy lifting here are not dressed like Trump supporters.

00:52:47.000 They have backpacks and it looks like they were trying to infiltrate the United States government.

00:52:52.000 Let's play tape and keep the mic on, please.

00:52:56.000 So we're going to roll it muted just because there's some bad words that have been said here.

00:53:01.000 So here's a group of people inside the U.S. Capitol looking like they're regrouping.

00:53:05.000 It looks like a mixed group of people.

00:53:06.000 It looks like could be legitimate Trump supporters and people that hadn't gotten near the Trump speech within a mile the whole day, right?

00:53:12.000 Right.

00:53:13.000 You're seeing gas masks and backpacks. 1.00

00:53:15.000 That woman looks like she might be a legitimate Trump supporter.

00:53:18.000 That guy with the gas mask, you're not allowed into a MAGA rally with a gas mask.

00:53:22.000 No way were they at the MAGA rally, right?

00:53:24.000 And so I'm calling the MAGA rally with the Trump rally that he spoke at, right?

00:53:29.000 And so then this pink hat woman starts screaming through the window here, staying, and I'm paraphrasing, hey, I know this building. 0.54

00:53:37.000 If you want to take this building, go to this other window. 0.58

00:53:40.000 And by the way, this woman has yet to be arrested. 1.00

00:53:42.000 Correct.

00:53:42.000 And actually, she ended up saying in here, I've been in the room that you're standing in before.

00:53:46.000 There's a door to your left and a door to the back.

00:53:48.000 And if you go through this window, you can get to a lower level.

00:53:51.000 And she's pointing.

00:53:52.000 And so you see kind of the best way to put this is absolute chaos.

00:53:56.000 It is not organized chaos.

00:53:59.000 Hey, guys, I've been in the other room.

00:53:59.000 This is what she was saying.

00:54:01.000 Listen to me.

00:54:01.000 In the other room on the other side of this door right here is where people are standing.

00:54:05.000 There's glass that if it's broken, you can drop down to a room underneath it.

00:54:08.000 There's also two doors in the other room.

00:54:10.000 There's one in the rear and one right when you go in.

00:54:12.000 So we should probably coordinate together if we're going to take this building.

00:54:15.000 We're in when we got a window to break to make it easy getting in and out.

00:54:19.000 And this window here needs to be broken.

00:54:21.000 Great job, Connor, on that.

00:54:23.000 Now, this guy is a leader.

00:54:24.000 This guy does not look like he just went to the Trump rally.

00:54:26.000 He has a gas mask.

00:54:27.000 He gets filmed.

00:54:28.000 I don't know if he's been arrested or not.

00:54:29.000 Oh, puts on his gas mask.

00:54:30.000 He's afraid he might get arrested, which he probably will.

00:54:33.000 Okay.

00:54:33.000 Yep.

00:54:34.000 He's a ringleader.

00:54:35.000 He does not look like someone who is here to go protest the election results.

00:54:39.000 He looks like a guy who's trying to thwart the overthrow of the government.

00:54:43.000 Now, let's just go back to some commentary here.

00:54:46.000 Now, we're going to go through on Monday, piece by piece, of all the different pieces of evidence here that show that there were people that were here with nefarious intentions beforehand.

00:55:00.000 However, that does not get Trump completely cleared.

00:55:03.000 Remember, now that the House has passed the Articles of Impeachment, the way this works is if he has been quote unquote indicted.

00:55:12.000 Does that make sense?

00:55:13.000 So the House is the indictment.

00:55:15.000 This is not a perfect way to put it, but it's the best way.

00:55:18.000 Like the House is the indictment.

00:55:20.000 The Senate is the conviction or not.

00:55:22.000 And something important to remember, too, is that this impeachment in the House went through in two hours before any of these news outlets and media outlets were remotely reporting on the timeline or the map that we just walked through with you guys.

00:55:33.000 The House is like a grand jury.

00:55:34.000 That's a good way to put it.

00:55:35.000 Connor just emailed that to us.

00:55:36.000 So the House decides whether or not we're going to impeach/slash indict.

00:55:41.000 The Senate then holds the trial.

00:55:42.000 Okay.

00:55:43.000 So the entire argument is going to be whether or not President, all this, all this footage is helpful.

00:55:52.000 It really is for President Trump's case and for those of us that actually care about what happened here.

00:55:57.000 But it doesn't get Trump out of the woods yet because they're just going to play the same tapes over and over again.

00:56:02.000 And so let's go through it.

00:56:03.000 Let's go through what President Trump said.

00:56:05.000 And I think we have some of the clips here at the bottom of the other feed.

00:56:08.000 If not, I can just read some of these words here.

00:56:10.000 So let me read what I think was a mistake with what he said.

00:56:13.000 Let me say one thing.

00:56:14.000 I think that, okay, let's go to cut 134 first and then 135 and we'll dissect it.

00:56:19.000 Let's go to cut 134.

00:56:21.000 But I said something's wrong here.

00:56:23.000 Something's really wrong.

00:56:24.000 Can't have happened.

00:56:25.000 And we fight.

00:56:27.000 We fight like hell.

00:56:28.000 And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore.

00:56:33.000 Now, I don't actually think this is the worst.

00:56:36.000 I think that fight in politics is metaphorical.

00:56:39.000 I don't think that this is worthy of the outrage that it has received.

00:56:44.000 I don't.

00:56:45.000 Do you agree, Isabel?

00:56:46.000 Everyone says we're going to fight for healthcare, the Biden fight fund, fight to repeal this, fight for this.

00:56:50.000 That is precisely correct.

00:56:51.000 Fight has always been a poetic term in politics to speak for standing up for something.

00:56:57.000 Everyone knows it.

00:56:58.000 Okay.

00:56:59.000 That's a cheap argument.

00:57:00.000 But let me tell you where I think that his greatest vulnerability is where he made his mistake.

00:57:06.000 It's this: quote, it's two things, actually.

00:57:06.000 Okay.

00:57:11.000 So now it's up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy.

00:57:14.000 After this, we're going to walk down and I'll be there with you.

00:57:18.000 This was a mistake.

00:57:20.000 Telling people that you were going to walk down with them to the Capitol gave them the impression that this was blessed by you, and then any of the activity was like you're overseeing this.

00:57:33.000 It gave a bad impression.

00:57:35.000 We're going to walk down.

00:57:36.000 We're going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here, we're going to walk down to the Capitol and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women.

00:57:44.000 That's fine.

00:57:45.000 That part's good.

00:57:46.000 That part actually might clear it up.

00:57:48.000 But the mistake is that it built up the crowd on top of the agitators that were already there because people thought they were going to walk alongside their president to the Capitol.

00:57:58.000 Correct.

00:57:58.000 In fact, a lot of people said that.

00:57:59.000 Let's play cut 135.

00:58:01.000 Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy.

00:58:08.000 And after this, we're going to walk down and I'll be there with you.

00:58:12.000 We're going to walk down.

00:58:15.000 We're going to walk down anyone you want.

00:58:18.000 But I think right here, we're going to walk down to the Capitol.

00:58:24.000 And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women.

00:58:31.000 And we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them.

00:58:37.000 Because you'll never take back our country with weakness.

00:58:41.000 You have to show strength and you have to be strong.

00:58:45.000 So that part, weakness, strength, I think they're reading way too much into it.

00:58:49.000 I do.

00:58:50.000 However, he might have met it metaphorically.

00:58:54.000 I'm going to be right there with you.

00:58:55.000 He didn't say it metaphorically and everyone cheered and they could tell that he could probably tell in real time that people thought he was going to ride a motorcade and they were going to march down to the Capitol together and he was going to give a speech there.

00:59:07.000 So what did that do?

00:59:08.000 Is it overbuilt the crowd on the Capitol?

00:59:10.000 It raised the temperature.

00:59:11.000 People were like, Trump is here.

00:59:12.000 Trump wants me to be here.

00:59:14.000 And he said it explicitly.

00:59:15.000 I don't think the worst part of that statement, quite honestly, is you have to show strength.

00:59:18.000 You have to be strong.

00:59:19.000 That's political talk, okay?

00:59:22.000 The fighting, the strength, the weakness, whatever.

00:59:24.000 I think the greatest vulnerability is that he did tell his supporters to go to the Capitol.

00:59:31.000 Now, do I think that's impeachable?

00:59:32.000 No.

00:59:33.000 Do I think that's incitement?

00:59:34.000 No.

00:59:35.000 Do I think that was responsible?

00:59:37.000 Probably not.

00:59:38.000 When they all of a sudden, your Trump, your supporters who will do anything for you, they're like, this isn't, I came to D.C., I traveled.

00:59:44.000 I get to march alongside the president?

00:59:46.000 You don't do that.

00:59:47.000 That's my opinion.

00:59:48.000 And I say that as a friend and as a supporter of the president.

00:59:50.000 To push back on that slightly too, though, Charlie, it is difficult to say what the intention behind those words is.

00:59:55.000 Obviously, the way it was delivered was probably taken in literally by many of the people there at the Capitol and in Washington, D.C.

01:00:04.000 But the reality is I've heard Trump say, I'll be there with you.

01:00:07.000 I'm with you.

01:00:08.000 I am always with you.

01:00:09.000 I have your back.

01:00:09.000 I support you.

01:00:10.000 That's a great question.

01:00:11.000 Over and over and over again throughout his presidency.

01:00:13.000 So it's not the first time I've heard him use that language.

01:00:15.000 And the only counter to that where it made it different is he was standing in front of them and he's like, I'll be there with you.

01:00:15.000 Totally.

01:00:22.000 He said it three times, right?

01:00:23.000 And so it left it too open for interpretation.

01:00:26.000 Right.

01:00:26.000 Correct.

01:00:27.000 And so let me tell you the other part here.

01:00:29.000 And this is the other one.

01:00:30.000 He said, so we're going to walk.

01:00:32.000 We're going to.

01:00:33.000 We're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.

01:00:34.000 I love Pennsylvania Avenue.

01:00:36.000 And we're going to the Capitol and we're going to try and give the Democrats are hopeless.

01:00:40.000 They're never voting for anything, not even one vote.

01:00:42.000 But we're going to try and give our Republicans the weak ones because the strong ones don't need any of our help.

01:00:48.000 We're going to give them, try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

01:00:54.000 Okay, so again, he's saying that we're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.

01:00:57.000 I love that.

01:00:57.000 That's like a four or five times.

01:00:59.000 So don't be surprised when all of a sudden the 300,000 crowd, like 30,000 of them, all of a sudden show up there, right?

01:01:04.000 Now, but in President Trump's defense, he said you have to do it patriotically and peacefully.

01:01:10.000 This is the part that the media and the defense team will never show.

01:01:14.000 So let's play that tape.

01:01:16.000 I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

01:01:25.000 So that's patriotic and peacefully, right?

01:01:28.000 So he is telling people to go to the Capitol.

01:01:30.000 But here's the one thing I don't think the president knew.

01:01:33.000 And this might have been a failure of the intelligence agency.

01:01:36.000 Maybe he was briefed on it.

01:01:38.000 Here's the biggest problem is that I don't think the president knew he was telling his supporters to go walk into an attempted militia gathering to go penetrate the U.S. Capitol.

01:01:50.000 That is so important.

01:01:51.000 And we went through a CNN article a few days ago that said by Wednesday morning, before the president ever even departed to give the speech, the FBI had received over 126,000 tips that something nefarious was going to happen at the Capitol.

01:02:05.000 And so maybe the president knew, maybe he didn't.

01:02:07.000 That's actually going to be the crux of the entire Senate impeachment trial.

01:02:12.000 Was President Trump briefed on what was happening at the Capitol?

01:02:15.000 Because the regular citizens didn't know.

01:02:18.000 The regular public, you know, always hear things happening in D.C., people are there, like whatever.

01:02:22.000 Things are shut down.

01:02:23.000 And if he wasn't briefed, why wasn't he briefed?

01:02:26.000 That's another really important question that should come up.

01:02:29.000 That's the whole idea of cross-examination of witnesses, due process, discovery, not these three-day trials that happen.

01:02:36.000 So it's all going to come down to, because all this other language is just metaphorical nonsense.

01:02:40.000 Did President Trump knowingly tell his supporters to go into what intelligence agencies already knew was going to be a mess?

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01:03:34.000 So the entire Senate circus that's about to happen is going to really be around if it's actually a trial and not just an up or down vote on the merits of impeachment, whether or not impeachment should be happening or not.

01:03:48.000 It's really going to be around: did President Trump briefed on whether or not there was nonsense happening in the Capitol or not beforehand?

01:03:56.000 Because there were people gathering, there were intelligence reports, FBI was briefed.

01:03:58.000 And if he wasn't briefed, why wasn't he briefed?

01:04:01.000 And that's a whole different set of questions that need to be asked.

01:04:05.000 However, to give some defense to the president here, who would have thought that just telling your supporters to go peacefully and patriotically go to the Capitol and they, oh, you have to show strength and fight.

01:04:21.000 None of that stuff resonates with me.

01:04:22.000 Okay.

01:04:23.000 I live in the political world.

01:04:25.000 Everyone uses this sort of language all the time, right?

01:04:28.000 We talk about a culture war, fight for your values.

01:04:31.000 That stuff is way over-policing of speech.

01:04:35.000 Where I said that the president does have a vulnerability here, though, is the seven mentions of saying, I'm going to walk alongside of you to the Capitol.

01:04:45.000 And I don't believe the president knew what he was sending his supporters into.

01:04:50.000 I don't.

01:04:51.000 He has no track record of that whatsoever because little did he know he was sending them into something that was way different than anything we've seen in Washington, D.C. for decades, which was based on all publicly available reports, arrests, and footage that we have been reviewing that we're going to go through and get some of those clips, Isabelle, just some of the stuff that shows suspicious behavior.

01:05:14.000 What was happening in D.C. was hundreds of people that were in tactical gear, gas masks, walkie-talkies, that were instigators and agitators that were there before the president's speech, that were there before the president finished speaking, that all of a sudden were given tens of thousands of new bodies behind them where they're agitating and they're instigating,

01:05:38.000 was all of a sudden given either a little push or a little bit of more of an appearance that they're really bigger than they really are.

01:05:47.000 And we talked about this before, but there is a psychology to crowds.

01:05:53.000 The bigger a crowd gets, it's called crowd psychology.

01:05:58.000 And I'm going to do a whole podcast on this next week.

01:06:00.000 And this is important for everyone to learn, especially when you're in big crowds, if you're in airplanes, if you're in tight, there's no joke here.

01:06:07.000 If you're in subways, if you're at a baseball stadium, a football stadium, it's called mob psychology.

01:06:12.000 And it's a branch of social psychology.

01:06:15.000 And crowd behavior can be heavily influenced by the loss of responsibility, the individual, and the impression of the universality of behavior.

01:06:25.000 And I'm reading from just a description here online, both of which increase with the crowd size.

01:06:31.000 So the larger the crowd, the more that there are agitators that know how to get up a crowd, paired with the idea of mob psychology, all of a sudden you're going to have Joe Smith, like one of those guys that was there from Tennessee that just got arrested, either Tennessee or Kentucky.

01:06:47.000 And he says, I just made the biggest mistake of my life.

01:06:50.000 I don't know what I was thinking.

01:06:51.000 Well, you weren't because you allowed yourself to all of a sudden a mob psychology took over, right?

01:06:58.000 Now, he was the one that was, he was at the president's speech.

01:07:03.000 He looks and appears.

01:07:04.000 I don't know his name.

01:07:04.000 I could look it up.

01:07:05.000 There's a couple people there that have gotten arrested like this.

01:07:07.000 And every single one of these cases is different, right?

01:07:09.000 But he was someone that heard the president's speech.

01:07:12.000 He was someone that thought the president was going to be marching alongside of him.

01:07:16.000 And he goes in and he goes into this kind of mob there.

01:07:18.000 Now, is it the president's fault, though?

01:07:21.000 No.

01:07:22.000 Absolutely not.

01:07:24.000 And Shapiro, not Ben Shapiro, that guy that used to run the Washington Attorney General's office wrote this piece, and he got a lot of pushback for it saying, I have prosecuted incitement.

01:07:34.000 This is not incitement.

01:07:35.000 And Trump's lawyers need to say, this was two miles away.

01:07:38.000 Never did he care for, never did he call for domestic terrorism.

01:07:41.000 Any of the language that you're cherry-picking is around metaphorical political language.

01:07:49.000 The best argument that the prosecution has is: was President Trump briefed?

01:07:55.000 And if he was, why did he mobilize his people into a dangerous situation?

01:07:59.000 And I'm not one to try to make an argument for Democrats, but that's the only argument they have.

01:08:04.000 And on the flip side, the best argument for the defense was we had absolutely no idea this was going to be taking place.

01:08:09.000 Which I believe.

01:08:10.000 We used metaphorical political language that everyone has used in all of human history, and there was no intention to commit domestic terrorism.

01:08:18.000 Absolutely not.

01:08:19.000 And in fact, the president came out and spoke out against it.

01:08:23.000 And there's no track record at all whatsoever of President Trump and any one of his rallies ever having this pattern of behavior.

01:08:33.000 And another thing they might try to cherry pick, which, you know, he shouldn't have probably tweeted out, which probably brought a lot of these people in, is like, we're going to have a wild protest.

01:08:41.000 I mean, all right, again, I think that's a little bit too much of kind of the word stretching.

01:08:46.000 But I don't like the prosecution of heavily charged political language.

01:08:46.000 Right.

01:08:51.000 And here's the question.

01:08:52.000 And I would love to have Alan Derschwitz on the podcast.

01:08:55.000 And look, let's just go through these facts.

01:08:58.000 Impeachment was never designed by the framers as a venting mechanism. 0.93

01:08:58.000 Okay. 0.93

01:09:03.000 It's supposed to be, it's not supposed to be like a parliamentary vote of no confidence.

01:09:08.000 The House has set a terrible precedent.

01:09:10.000 The House committed constitutional malpractice.

01:09:13.000 It's that simple.

01:09:14.000 There's an article on the Federalist here that says, I saw provocateurs at the Capitol riot on January the 6th.

01:09:21.000 Number one, plain clothed, plain clothes militants, militants, aggressive men in Donald Trump and MAGA gear at the front of police lines that were out of character.

01:09:30.000 Agent provocateurs, scatter groups of men exhorting the marchers to gather closely and tightly together towards the center.

01:09:37.000 Fake Trump protesters, a few young men wearing Trump or MAGA hats backwards who did not fit in.

01:09:41.000 A disciplined, uniformed column of attackers.

01:09:44.000 This is an article by Michael Waller, published on the 14th of January at the Federalist.

01:09:52.000 So let's get into some more of this footage here, and I think it's really important to play.

01:09:57.000 Let's go to cut 127 here of CNN's Jade Sacker.

01:10:02.000 Let's turn this volume off on this, please, because I think there's some bad words.

01:10:05.000 Coordinating with now arrested John Sullivan.

01:10:08.000 Wait, just look how they're just walking in.

01:10:10.000 Cut 127, walking straight into the Capitol rotunda.

01:10:14.000 Now, some of the arguments people are making is, oh, it was all peaceful inside.

01:10:18.000 Okay, look, you should know better than to walk into the United States Capitol after breaking a barricade and breaking police.

01:10:23.000 That defense is not going to stand up in court at all.

01:10:25.000 Right.

01:10:26.000 And so I think he shows Sullivan here.

01:10:31.000 They walk through the rotunda here.

01:10:35.000 I want to go to this one here, cut 17.

01:10:39.000 This is really strange.

01:10:40.000 Let's play cut 17.

01:10:42.000 And I'll narrate it.

01:10:43.000 In slow motion, this looks like baseball bats being passed through a window at the Capitol from the Capitol to the rioters.

01:10:52.000 Look, somebody comes out and is handing them either baseball bats.

01:10:56.000 Look at that.

01:10:57.000 They're handing them weapons.

01:10:58.000 Who is that?

01:10:59.000 That is a window at the United States Capitol where they are handing out weapons to rioters.

01:11:05.000 That looks remarkably similar to the window Pink Hat Lady helped to break that day.

01:11:10.000 Yet Pink Hat Lady remains at large, everybody.

01:11:14.000 Pink Hat Lady, I think, is going to answer a lot of questions to a lot of this, as we pinpointed very early on.

01:11:21.000 She remains. 0.98

01:11:21.000 I don't even know if there's a warrant out for her arrest yet because I don't even know if they know who she is. 0.98

01:11:25.000 I don't know, yeah.

01:11:26.000 Usually once they identify, they'll be able to figure that out.

01:11:28.000 Here's one here from Sydney.

01:11:30.000 Charlie, in the way you construct, construe the president's words after the fact, I can see how they can be taken incorrectly.

01:11:36.000 But I, as a reasonable, logical, and thoughtful person, did not and do not hear any encouragement to do anything other than go to the Capitol and support the cause peacefully and with moral strength.

01:11:44.000 I guess what I didn't think about is a lot of people were not logical and reasonable.

01:11:48.000 And so I agree with you, Sidney.

01:11:49.000 It's a great email.

01:11:50.000 I never actually inferred that he incited violence.

01:11:52.000 And so what I said is he did promote mobilization into something that he, I don't think he knew, was already a brewing instigating scene, right?

01:12:02.000 President Trump, intentionally or unintentionally, and I think unintentionally, because there's no evidence whatsoever to say intentionally, supported the mobilization of his supporters into a perfect storm of chaos that was already underway with walkie-talkie zip tie shaman people that were trying to take over the Capitol.

01:12:02.000 Right.

01:12:22.000 And that intention piece is very important too.

01:12:25.000 If you don't have a background in law, intention is a big piece when it comes to conviction of a crime.

01:12:30.000 In many situations, if you don't have intent to commit the crime, you can't be held liable for that crime.

01:12:36.000 That's where you see differentiations of murder versus manslaughter charges, for example.

01:12:40.000 Of course, I don't believe the United States Congress is actually going to care about the president's intentions one way or another.

01:12:46.000 They're just going to care that chaos to me.

01:12:48.000 Intention matters a lot.

01:12:50.000 And if you unintentionally are involved in something, you could still be criminally liable.

01:12:57.000 However, technically, if you are unintentional, and you could prove intention, right?

01:13:02.000 A great example.

01:13:02.000 Manslaughter is a perfect example of this, right?

01:13:05.000 And just to use a tragic example, someone's driving down the street and they accidentally run over somebody and that person dies.

01:13:12.000 Now, there'll be a huge investigation.

01:13:14.000 Were they under the influence?

01:13:14.000 Were they texting?

01:13:16.000 But they might find that they just might have got distracted or whatever and it was completely unintentional.

01:13:20.000 Or they get in a car accident and someone passes away.

01:13:22.000 That's probably even a better example, right?

01:13:25.000 They probably will not go to jail for first degree, second degree, or third degree murder, but they might go to jail for manslaughter, which is a much lower threshold, right?

01:13:33.000 Meaning in the threshold, not threshold, less prison time.

01:13:36.000 Right.

01:13:37.000 And I think...

01:13:38.000 It's a completely different conviction.

01:13:39.000 It's a completely different conviction, right?

01:13:41.000 And so intention is supposed to matter a lot.

01:13:44.000 Now, where the lines are blurred a lot is that intention has mattered a lot less lately.

01:13:50.000 Right.

01:13:51.000 Because, and so that's why the arrests are happening So quickly because some people are like, well, I didn't have the intention to go into the Capitol.

01:13:59.000 You did, okay?

01:14:00.000 So you did do unlawful entry.

01:14:03.000 Now, what's going to happen is that you're going to see some of these people that were arrested for just kind of a class A misdemeanor or a felony.

01:14:12.000 I think they're all felonies, actually.

01:14:14.000 I could say unlawful entry.

01:14:15.000 You're going to see people all of a sudden get dropped with like 50 more indictments where they're going to get like conspiracy, sedition, like domestic terrorism.

01:14:24.000 And why?

01:14:25.000 How are they able to do that?

01:14:26.000 Well, through text messages, interviewing of witnesses, they're going to find out that Zip Tie Man or the MASH Man or the Shaman Man, they had the intention that day that they didn't get caught up in some sort of spontaneous mob that they were like, no, no, no, I'm here today to go take ground from the government.

01:14:43.000 And intention should matter to Congress when it comes to the exact language of their articles of impeachment.

01:14:48.000 They were filed to say that the president is guilty, theoretically, of incitement.

01:14:48.000 That's exactly right.

01:14:53.000 Incitement is a very specific word in the legal community.

01:14:56.000 And you mentioned Shapiro, who's phenomenal.

01:14:59.000 Yeah, so this individual was the assistant attorney general of D.C. for a very long time in the early 2000s.

01:15:04.000 He wrote a great opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal on January 10th saying, no, Trump is not guilty of incitement.

01:15:10.000 He did inflame emotions, but that's not a crime.

01:15:13.000 And the president did not once mention violence, much less provoke it.

01:15:17.000 When you break this down from a legal perspective and gather all of the evidence, which we've been doing for several weeks now, Charlie, the word incitement is completely irrelevant to what happened with the president's involvement on January 6th.

01:15:28.000 According to Shapiro, in order for incitement to happen, you have to have the intention to want, like, so what you're saying didn't have an unintended consequence, right?

01:15:36.000 Correct.

01:15:37.000 You have to say, I said these words to have a desired impact.

01:15:40.000 Is that correct?

01:15:41.000 I'm hoping to provide violence as a direct consequence of my words.

01:15:46.000 Yes.

01:15:47.000 Which there's no way they'll be able to prove that.

01:15:49.000 The only way they could prove that, the only way is if there was evidence that members of the FBI and the intelligence community came to President Trump and they said, there's some really bad stuff that's heating up.

01:16:06.000 We are getting, because there's public reports that are saying this, right?

01:16:10.000 After the fact, but we are getting intelligence reports, Mr. President, that there are domestic people that are up to no good that are going to be in and around the Capitol.

01:16:18.000 Right.

01:16:19.000 The only way they could make that case is if President Trump internalized that.

01:16:23.000 But even that case would be hard because the defense would be, no, no, no, no.

01:16:27.000 He was still telling these people to go patriotically and peacefully, not thinking they would be near these people.

01:16:32.000 And he didn't have any sort of inside details.

01:16:34.000 It's a hard case to build out.

01:16:35.000 That would be a very difficult argument for any prosecution in a court of law.

01:16:39.000 So the point is that this impeachment is nothing more than a revenge campaign.

01:16:42.000 Correct.

01:16:43.000 After everything we've been through.

01:16:44.000 And again, you can say, as I have said, that he should not have said seven times he was going to march alongside his supporters.

01:16:51.000 Right.

01:16:51.000 Okay.

01:16:51.000 And he knew that he knew what was going to happen there.

01:16:53.000 You would have tens of thousands of people march to the Capitol.

01:16:55.000 I think that President Trump was believing, again, he had no rally experience where anything he tells his audience to do results in anything but peaceful.

01:17:07.000 Correct.

01:17:07.000 I think that's all he's never experienced.

01:17:09.000 I think that's a really good argument, too, for his defense, which is where is another Trump rally where all of a sudden all the Trump people become, you know, militarized?

01:17:18.000 It doesn't happen.

01:17:19.000 And there's certainly not a shortage of other events to compare this to.

01:17:22.000 I've seen so many over the last two years.

01:17:24.000 Context is super important for the defense, right?

01:17:26.000 So the context will say it's not as if President Trump has this long track record of his rallies going awry, right?

01:17:33.000 It's not as if he was surprised everyone else, as anyone else was.

01:17:38.000 And so the other piece of that is if his, which is defense should reinforce, which is what President Trump thought his call to action would result in.

01:17:50.000 And that's where the defense, again, if we had a real trial in the Senate, this would end up happening where he would have witnesses that would come and testify on his behalf, bodymen, aides, and they'd say they'd testify under oath.

01:17:50.000 Right.

01:18:04.000 Yes, in my private conversations with the president, he was hoping that a peaceful group of people would assemble on the Washington Mall to be able to peacefully applaud certain lawmakers for what they were doing at the election results.

01:18:16.000 And that's still a call to action, but it's not a call for incitement of violence.

01:18:19.000 But that's our defense, right?

01:18:21.000 So where President Trump would have a vulnerability is if one of those aides said the opposite.

01:18:25.000 Correct.

01:18:26.000 Which there's no evidence to show that, right?

01:18:28.000 But that's why you have a trial, okay?

01:18:31.000 This is why we have a justice system, not some sort of kangaroo court, just we're going to impeach instantaneously.

01:18:38.000 All these questions are super important to be able to define attention, burden of proof, and yes, guilt.

01:18:44.000 Yeah.

01:18:44.000 And these are the questions that need to be asked in the next few days, especially from members of Congress.

01:18:49.000 But based on the evidentiary support, sorry, that we have right in front of us right now, there's no justification for any sort of conviction for incitement, insurrection, or anything that Congress is saying the president did.

01:19:02.000 I think Jeffrey Shapiro really sums this up so well at the end of his opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal.

01:19:07.000 I really encourage you guys to read this.

01:19:08.000 He says, the president's critics want him charged for inflaming the emotions of angry Americans.

01:19:13.000 That alone does not satisfy the elements of any criminal offense.

01:19:17.000 And therefore, his speech is protected by the Constitution that members of Congress are sworn to support and defend.

01:19:22.000 And the other aspect of this is, and this is where I think that we as conservatives should stake our biggest fight in this impeachment of the details, is this nonsense around strength and weakness and fight.

01:19:37.000 That stuff drives me nuts, everybody.

01:19:39.000 Politically charged language has become the new normal in America.

01:19:43.000 Yeah.

01:19:44.000 And if we're going to start prosecuting and indicting people based on saying, I'm going to go fight to go, you know, repeal the Second Amendment, which I don't agree with, but I don't think someone should get indicted for saying that.

01:19:55.000 Right.

01:19:55.000 If that's the case, Planned Parenthood should be indicted for fighting for abortion.

01:19:59.000 And every politician ever should have been. 1.00

01:20:00.000 Or Maxine Waters should have been indicted for incitement for go get in their face or Eric Holder. 0.81

01:20:06.000 When they're down, we kick them.

01:20:07.000 Now, they should come under criticism for that.

01:20:09.000 I don't even think President Trump was near the place near criticism.

01:20:12.000 He was using language he's always used.

01:20:14.000 But the only reason this is an issue is because that there was the spillover at the Capitol, which again, there are three different types of people that were there at the Capitol.

01:20:24.000 They were mainstream Trump supporters that got involved in something that they really didn't understand.

01:20:30.000 And I think they made a really big mistake.

01:20:32.000 And a lot of them regret that.

01:20:33.000 Professional agitators and instigators that just go anywhere they possibly can to cause a fight and a ruckus.

01:20:38.000 And then people that call themselves Trump supporters that are right-wing identitarians that are not part of any movement that you and I are part of, that are part of militia or whatever that sort of, all those kind of mashed together, kind of, and where were the most amount of people?

01:20:55.000 That's the most important thing, right?

01:20:56.000 So there was only a couple hundred of the militia type people, only probably a couple dozen of the instigators and 15,000 of the Trump supporters.

01:21:03.000 Right.

01:21:04.000 But if you look at the actual people who went into Capitol, the people that were breaking the windows, the people that were penetrating it, the actual audience you're dealing with, which is like 500 to 600 people based on public reports, you're dealing with a group of people that is, as a percentage basis, a lot of the instigator type, you know, of instigators slash militant type.

01:21:30.000 Right.

01:21:30.000 And if this was a thorough investigation, which I hope that it will be, that's not to say that this won't happen.

01:21:35.000 And I very sincerely hope the Senate will commit a very, very thorough investigation of everything that happened on January 6th.

01:21:41.000 You would see a clear differentiation between a crime of passion and a premeditated crime.

01:21:46.000 And those violent, crazy groups that love to worship chaos that incite chaos all day, every day, that we've been very clear to denounce, clearly had premeditated intentions and had knowledge of the layout of the building and had means to do so with flagpoles or baseball bats or whatever was being passed through the window to carry out their intended crime.

01:22:05.000 Whereas a crime of passion in a court of law is considered a different thing entirely.

01:22:09.000 It's in which the perpetrator commits the act against someone because of a sudden, strong impulse, such as sudden rage.

01:22:16.000 That is what they're trying to paint everything on January 6th, 2020.

01:22:19.000 That's so true.

01:22:20.000 But that is not the reality of what's occurring.

01:22:21.000 Well, and interestingly, a crime of passion, if a defense attorney argues it correctly, has a lower threshold of punishment than a premeditated crime.

01:22:33.000 Is that correct?

01:22:34.000 Correct.

01:22:34.000 And it goes back to that mob psychology almost that we were talking about that in certain situations, because of human nature, people act differently than who they truly are and what their intentions are, which is why intention, again, is so important in criminal court.

01:22:47.000 And that's why some of these people that were in there that are now having all of their communications examined because they were arrested and their devices were surrendered, they're going to have a lot more charges slapped onto them, a lot of these people, because they're going to find text messages, and they already have.

01:23:02.000 As they should.

01:23:02.000 Yeah.

01:23:02.000 I mean, and by the way, that's exactly right.

01:23:05.000 But the more indictments like that, it actually delegitimizes the impeachment.

01:23:10.000 Correct.

01:23:10.000 But it all, but it's kind of this weird thing.

01:23:12.000 The more indictments like that, it delegitimizes the impeachment, but it strengthens their case for a domestic Patriot Act. 0.65

01:23:18.000 Interestingly, that is true.

01:23:20.000 It's like their case for impeachment and their case for a domestic Patriot Act are inversely related.

01:23:25.000 Correct.

01:23:25.000 It's as if, was it a massive crime of passion or was it this premeditated thing that needs more sort of surveillance to try to prevent?

01:23:33.000 I'm anxious to see how people are going to be able to do it.

01:23:34.000 No, but they can't quite get their narratives right because, and here's the truth.

01:23:39.000 It's actually a mixture of both.

01:23:40.000 Yeah.

01:23:41.000 And the truth is that you had tens of thousands of people arriving with professional instigators and militia people that were primarily penetrating the top of it, which with accompanied by thousands of people that had been taken over by the psychology of the mob.

01:23:55.000 And by the way, people that are involved in BLM stuff, they all come under the same psychology of the mob.

01:23:59.000 And by the way, that's not a defense in the court of law.

01:24:02.000 No, it's not.

01:24:02.000 You can't go in front of a judge and be like, you know what?

01:24:06.000 I kind of lost my identity because of the crowd.

01:24:08.000 Now, a good defense attorney, though, can argue to a judge or a jury that they're being over-prosecuted and saying, hold on a second, after examination of all these sorts, I mean, you're going to see this with some of these people that have been arrested that went into the Capitol and didn't destroy anything, right?

01:24:25.000 And they're going to say, my client obviously made a terrible mistake.

01:24:29.000 You know, my client regrets what they did, but they got caught up in the moment.

01:24:35.000 And there's no like multi-year pattern of behavior that their intention was trying to destroy, you know, the United States system of government.

01:24:44.000 Which typically speaks to how the jury would sentence those people, too, and what the specific punishment of their crime might be.

01:24:50.000 Which this is where, again, we're getting too into the weeds here in some ways, but it's actually helpful.

01:24:55.000 Where, you know, do you plea and then do you try to say I was overcharged with, you know, or which charges do you fight?

01:25:01.000 Right.

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01:25:06.000 Here's one right here.

01:25:07.000 Hey, Charlie, did they ever find the pink hat lady?

01:25:10.000 Not specifically. 0.85

01:25:11.000 The person next to Bernie Sanders is wearing a pink hat.

01:25:13.000 It is true, but I don't think that I think there's more than one person with a pink hat.

01:25:18.000 And that is true.

01:25:19.000 Okay.

01:25:20.000 So this is a good question.

01:25:22.000 Any word yet on the Boogaloo boy, Mr. Dunn, who we covered?

01:25:25.000 I don't think he's been arrested yet.

01:25:27.000 I haven't heard any updated news from that specific group, although we did walk through that in a previous episode this week or last.

01:25:33.000 I really encourage you guys to go check that out.

01:25:35.000 Yeah, and so nothing yet.

01:25:37.000 Hey, Charlie and Isabel, love the show, just stumbled upon it.

01:25:40.000 You become my go-to information for news.

01:25:42.000 Thank you. 1.00

01:25:42.000 As for Pink Cat Lady, I can't wait to see her actually indicted. 1.00

01:25:46.000 I'm telling you, she is the gatekeeper of this whole thing. 1.00

01:25:49.000 There's something not the way she, her language, there's something not right there.

01:25:52.000 If you really logically deduct her diction, which means word choice, and her sentence construction, there was a calmness to how she was talking, right?

01:26:02.000 Can we put up that violence at the Capitol? 0.74

01:26:05.000 So there is a wanted poster for her.

01:26:07.000 There is from the FBI.

01:26:08.000 There's something.

01:26:09.000 She needs the public's assistance.

01:26:10.000 And I'm just going to say this right now. 0.99

01:26:12.000 She doesn't strike me as how someone would dress to a Trump rally. 0.76

01:26:17.000 No, not even in the slightest.

01:26:18.000 Now, I'm not saying that she's not a Trump supporter.

01:26:20.000 I'm just saying she doesn't strike me as someone of how they would dress at a Trump rally.

01:26:24.000 Okay, can we get that picture up there, Connor, please?

01:26:26.000 If anyone knows who Pink Cat Woman is, I'm telling you, there's something there. 0.92

01:26:31.000 And it leads to something behind it because she was calling shots. 1.00

01:26:38.000 She was breaking down windows.

01:26:40.000 She said she had a schematic.

01:26:41.000 She said she'd been there before, right, Isabel?

01:26:43.000 Right.

01:26:44.000 There were a lot of theories coming out on the internet afterwards that maybe she worked at the U.S. Capitol in some capacity. 0.97

01:26:49.000 Maybe she was a staffer.

01:26:50.000 That remains to be seen, obviously.

01:26:52.000 But to have such a detailed knowledge of the building is surprising to me.

01:26:56.000 Now, that looks on the left.

01:26:57.000 It looks to be a picture of her without the sunglasses on.

01:27:00.000 Is that right?

01:27:01.000 Looks like it to me.

01:27:02.000 That's a big development.

01:27:03.000 That's a big development.

01:27:04.000 That's the first picture of her without sunglasses on.

01:27:09.000 And so some of you are asking, Charlie, why are you so focused on her?

01:27:13.000 I think it's actually really important.

01:27:15.000 Based on all the footage that we have of her and all the things she was doing and all the things she was saying, there is nothing that goes to show that what she was doing was a spontaneous act.

01:27:25.000 Would you agree?

01:27:26.000 Absolutely.

01:27:27.000 That's all I'm saying.

01:27:29.000 Her actions and words scream premeditation. 0.99

01:27:32.000 And authority figures. 1.00

01:27:33.000 Authority figure.

01:27:34.000 And also, she doesn't strike me as a militia member. 0.69

01:27:41.000 And that's just me kind of stereotyping, but usually Melissa members don't have designer shades and pink hats on.

01:27:47.000 Usually it's walkie-talkie, zip ties, and tactical gear.

01:27:50.000 Correct.

01:27:51.000 So, and this is a good point.

01:27:53.000 Connor says, for context, most of the other FBI people have multiple images of multiple people.

01:27:59.000 She gets her own wanted poster from the FBI.

01:28:03.000 So we'll see what happens there.

01:28:05.000 Email us your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.

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01:28:09.000 Hi, Charlie.

01:28:10.000 Love the show.

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01:28:11.000 Is Trump really going to start his own political party?

01:28:13.000 That would be so awesome.

01:28:15.000 Love the enthusiasm.

01:28:17.000 And thank you, Faith.

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01:28:19.000 We appreciate it.

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01:28:21.000 Not as convinced that a third party would be good for the country, though.

01:28:24.000 I think it would split our forces.

01:28:25.000 Yeah, I would agree with that wholeheartedly, especially because even with the ideological divide starting to rise to the top on the left side of the aisle, I think they understand that a specific delineation between the two factions within the Democrat Party would actually harm their ability to stay in power.

01:28:39.000 So I don't think we would see them.

01:28:41.000 Jillian asks us, asked us, what is the best way to try and explain to others what happened to the Capitol?

01:28:45.000 I think this link or any of the other links, I think we've been the most fair on this and quite honestly, like not really partisan, just kind of telling you exactly what has happened.

01:28:53.000 We're just looking for facts like anybody else should.

01:28:55.000 Yeah, and there's really not a narrative I'm trying to confirm.

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01:30:36.000 Question: Have you seen the videos of the police officers opening the doors and stopping the violence to any members of Congress?

01:30:43.000 I think we have that video, don't we, Connor?

01:30:45.000 We can play the video of them opening the doors.

01:30:47.000 Yeah, I think it's super important.

01:30:48.000 This is just something that Trump's defense team should bring up and say, Hey, do we have a do we have any idea why the doors were wide open at the Capitol?

01:31:00.000 Let's play tape of that, please.

01:31:02.000 So, here the doors were just peacefully opened.

01:31:05.000 Not peacefully, that's not the right way to put it.

01:31:06.000 They were opened without opposition because they're still going to get arrested for unlawful entry.

01:31:11.000 But honestly, if you're a defense lawyer and this is one of your clients, they're like, the police let them in, right?

01:31:16.000 And who knows where that order came from?

01:31:18.000 That's difficult, if not impossible, to say at this point.

01:31:21.000 And these police officers are not.

01:31:22.000 Now, these police officers should be telling them, You are breaking the law.

01:31:25.000 You are breaking the law.

01:31:27.000 Instead, again, they're going to claim that they didn't know.

01:31:30.000 It's not going to work for a lot of these guys, unfortunately.

01:31:34.000 I shouldn't, unfortunately or unfortunately, it's just not going to work for a lot of these guys because I didn't mean to say it that way.

01:31:41.000 It's not going to work for them in the sense that they still broke the law.

01:31:45.000 And there's video footage of them just standing there shaking their heads.

01:31:48.000 I mean, the police should have been doing something, right?

01:31:50.000 I mean, give me a break.

01:31:51.000 The police should have been doing something.

01:31:53.000 Okay, email us your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:31:56.000 Let's go here.

01:31:58.000 What books do you recommend?

01:31:59.000 Charlie and Isabel?

01:32:00.000 Oof, lots of books.

01:32:01.000 Right now, I would highly recommend George Orwell's 1984.

01:32:05.000 It's actually the number one bestseller on Amazon right now, I think, which is very fitting to the times that we're living in, but very prophetic and powerful words in that book.

01:32:14.000 Amen.

01:32:16.000 I recommend the Gulag Archipelago because it's so depressing and it's so true. 1.00

01:32:21.000 I'm kidding. 1.00

01:32:23.000 I love The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel.

01:32:25.000 I highly recommend that.

01:32:26.000 It'll strengthen all of your faith.

01:32:28.000 And if you are not yet a believer of Jesus Christ and you're a logical person and you're like, eh, believing in Jesus is too illogical for me, check out the case for Christ.

01:32:39.000 It is the most reasoned and logical, factual case.

01:32:44.000 And so, just so you know, it's written by a guy by the name of Lee Strobel.

01:32:49.000 Lee Strobel was a guy that was an atheist and he dove into the facts to try to disprove the resurrection.

01:32:54.000 Correct. 0.94

01:32:55.000 And it ended up proving the resurrection by doing it.

01:32:57.000 Check it out.

01:32:57.000 Case for Christ, Lee Strobel.

01:32:59.000 And of course, if you guys haven't read Charlie Kirk's The MAGA Doctrine, I think it's so important now that we can't forget about the legacy of this president and the ideology that drove the success of the last four years.

01:33:10.000 Because unfortunately, January 6th is just going to be the new legacy in the media and for outspoken individuals on the left of what President Trump left behind.

01:33:20.000 That's right.

01:33:20.000 This is a really good analogy here: you don't jump off a battleship in the middle of the ocean because the compass isn't working.

01:33:27.000 You're more likely to get lost if you do.

01:33:29.000 No new party.

01:33:30.000 Let's get to work and be happy warriors.

01:33:32.000 I love that.

01:33:32.000 Super smart.

01:33:33.000 Thank you, man, for that email.

01:33:34.000 Let's get an email here.

01:33:35.000 Love listening to the podcast.

01:33:36.000 Thank you.

01:33:37.000 We are the sixth Podcast number six in news and the 10th podcast overall in Apple and all podcasting.

01:33:45.000 Thanks to you guys.

01:33:46.000 Okay, email us your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:33:49.000 Charlie and Isabel love the show.

01:33:51.000 How long do you think before Camela takes the rein, stay strong and keep the faith?

01:33:54.000 What's your over-under?

01:33:56.000 Eight months.

01:33:57.000 Wow.

01:33:57.000 I say, I think they're going to let him get one year in.

01:33:59.000 You think?

01:34:00.000 Yeah, I think one year.

01:34:01.000 We'll see.

01:34:02.000 As Trump says, we'll see what happens.

01:34:05.000 Let's say here.

01:34:08.000 Someone says, I think Lee Strobel would be a great guest for your program.

01:34:11.000 I agree.

01:34:12.000 I've tried to get him on, and we're going to continue to try.

01:34:15.000 I totally agree.

01:34:16.000 Hi, Charlie.

01:34:17.000 Brianna from New Jersey.

01:34:18.000 Thanks so much for speaking at Calvary Chapel yesterday.

01:34:21.000 Yes, thank you.

01:34:22.000 So inspiring and giving a proper perspective on how Christians should be courageous in these circumstances.

01:34:27.000 Quiz question.

01:34:28.000 To have the option of opening a chapter in Spanish, my church, the majority, only speaks Spanish.

01:34:33.000 We would love that, Brianna.

01:34:35.000 So I'm going to forward your email at our Turning Point USA team, and we'd love to get you involved.

01:34:39.000 Tpusa.com slash, get involved.

01:34:42.000 Tpusa.com, slash, get involved.

01:34:45.000 And I just emailed your uh email to our team.

01:34:48.000 Uh, let's get to a question here.

01:34:51.000 Uh, here's one for you.

01:34:52.000 Uh, just finished your book Campus Battleground.

01:34:54.000 Thank you um, I hope you do a follow-up with more examples.

01:34:57.000 Well Isabel, you have a book about campus stuff coming up.

01:35:00.000 I do here.

01:35:00.000 Pretty shortly february 23rd my first book will be coming out and it tells a lot of my story as a TP USA activist on campus.

01:35:09.000 I was pre-med in college.

01:35:10.000 Many of you guys have heard this story, but I never anticipated the left to be so strong and outspoken and experience such hatred as a conservative and as a Christian on my campus.

01:35:20.000 So it talks a lot about the assault on objective truth and conservative values in my college experience and beyond.

01:35:25.000 There's some crazy stories in there with my former campus administrators that i'm sure they're going to love to see published internationally, but I encourage you guys to check it out.

01:35:34.000 There's a lot more information on my personal social media at Theisabelle Brown on most platforms and i'll keep you updated as we get closer to launch day and this.

01:35:42.000 Everybody, just get involved and get engaged.

01:35:43.000 Isabel, at Turning Point USA, that's what we're doing every day, and it's Tpusa.com slash.

01:35:48.000 Get involved.

01:35:49.000 To stay involved, can I say, in the fight, in the fight.

01:35:52.000 Why not?

01:35:53.000 That's the thing that's gonna bother, what's gonna bother me the most, by the way, we are gonna be your go-to place for all the impeachment nonsense.

01:35:59.000 Next week.

01:36:00.000 We will go late into the night of the Senate impeachment because this is.

01:36:03.000 They are not impeaching Trump.

01:36:05.000 They're trying to destroy the constitution is what they're doing, and they are trying to delegitimize the constitution, and so it's less about Trump and more about our tradition and our precedent.

01:36:14.000 So you better believe we will be here monitoring it nearly 24-7.

01:36:19.000 Here's a question here.

01:36:20.000 Hey, Charlie, your talk with Jack Kibbs last night was amazing and so uplifting.

01:36:23.000 Thank you.

01:36:24.000 My question might be silly.

01:36:25.000 I'm new to politics and all the rules.

01:36:27.000 But will Trump's impeachment be fair?

01:36:29.000 Why is it going through the Senate where Democrats now have a majority?

01:36:32.000 Thanks you guys so much.

01:36:33.000 So it goes to the Senate because that's the constitutional provision of how we do impeachment.

01:36:37.000 The trial has to exist within the USA.

01:36:39.000 So the House indicts grand jury.

01:36:41.000 This is just metaphorical stuff.

01:36:42.000 It's not a perfect fit, but it's pretty good.

01:36:45.000 And then the Senate holds the trial.

01:36:47.000 And importantly, the Supreme Court of the United States, their chief justice, is presiding over the trial.

01:36:53.000 Yes, that is true.

01:36:54.000 So John Roberts proceeds over the whole trial.

01:36:57.000 Yes, according to the Constitution.

01:36:59.000 And so, and not the vice president.

01:37:01.000 Right.

01:37:02.000 So the vice president plays some role in the impeachment, though, right, Connor?

01:37:05.000 It's something.

01:37:06.000 The president of the Senate, Pence, was involved in something.

01:37:08.000 I think, you know what it was?

01:37:09.000 The final roll call vote or something he was involved in.

01:37:15.000 I could be wrong.

01:37:16.000 Please continue to email us your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:37:19.000 Hi, Charlie.

01:37:20.000 Love, love, love your show.

01:37:21.000 Thank you.

01:37:22.000 I'm new to you, kiddos, but have been pretty diligent listener last few weeks.

01:37:25.000 Thank you so much.

01:37:26.000 As a Christ follower and a conservative, can you point us in any direction of actionable intel moving forward during these next four years so as not to sit back but to stand up and quote unquote fight metaphorically for our beliefs and morals and policies?

01:37:38.000 Well, first of all, thank you for listening to us.

01:37:40.000 We monitor as much as we can, and I can tell you we're on top of a lot of it.

01:37:44.000 So our program, we appreciate you supporting and listening to that.

01:37:49.000 Other news sources, justthenews.com is great.

01:37:52.000 There's some other really good feeds out there that RealClearPolitics.com does a really good job.

01:37:57.000 But, you know, we're biased.

01:37:59.000 We hope that you continue to keep our live stream and our podcast as one of the top picks.

01:38:07.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:38:08.000 If you want to get involved with Turning Point USA, go to tpusa.com, where we play offense with a sense of urgency to win America's culture war.

01:38:16.000 Email us your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:38:20.000 And if you would like to support our program, go to charliekirk.com/slash support.

01:38:25.000 Thank you guys so much for listening.

01:38:26.000 God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - January 23, 2021

Facts First in Trump’s Impeachment — the Good, Bad, and Insane

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