The Charlie Kirk Show - "Failure Theater" in the House with Rep. Matt Gaetz and Libby Emmons

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00:01:18.000 Matt Gates, welcome to the program.

00:01:19.000 Matt, tell us about what happened yesterday.

00:01:21.000 You guys struck down a rule vote.

00:01:21.000 A lot of news.

00:01:24.000 A lot of this parliamentarian stuff, I don't even quite track, but it was symbolic because it was done as a message of outrage against the debt ceiling vote.

00:01:32.000 Matt Gates, the floor is yours.

00:01:34.000 As you know, Charlie, in January, there was an agreement with Speaker McCarthy that allowed him to ascend to that position, and that agreement has been violated.

00:01:43.000 He had an obligation not to put any legislation on the floor that did not return our spending to 2022 levels in exchange for raising the debt limit.

00:01:55.000 That did not happen.

00:01:56.000 There were no commensurate fiscal reforms that otherwise would have ameliorated our concerns about accruing this $4 trillion in debt.

00:02:06.000 So where do we go from here?

00:02:08.000 We can't just have a violation of that agreement and proceed as if nothing happened.

00:02:12.000 We have to reconstitute the power-sharing agreement between Kevin McCarthy and House Conservatives.

00:02:19.000 And until we reconstitute that agreement, it's my suspicion that we're not going to simply allow him to play out failure theater on the floor of the House of Representatives.

00:02:28.000 So walk us through it, Matt.

00:02:30.000 Does that mean that you're going to do a motion to vacate, or is that really not in the cards?

00:02:33.000 Is this kind of a family squabble?

00:02:36.000 Is this going to pour into maybe you calling for a leadership change?

00:02:40.000 Walk us through some of the inside baseball here.

00:02:42.000 I don't want to vacate, and I don't want to placate.

00:02:46.000 I see no reason to turn Speaker McCarthy into a martyr for the establishment.

00:02:52.000 I really want Speaker McCarthy to be the most successful House Speaker in American history, but we're not going to get there by making repeated $4 trillion mistakes.

00:03:03.000 And that's what we saw.

00:03:04.000 Weren't you upset when you saw that it wasn't Joe Biden who wanted to suspend the debt limit until 2025?

00:03:10.000 It was Kevin McCarthy.

00:03:12.000 It was perplexing.

00:03:14.000 It was his idea to take spending off the table before the election.

00:03:18.000 In addition to that being a sellout of the American people, it is one of the dumbest tactical political moves one could imagine because we're winning on the issue of spending.

00:03:26.000 People see that government spending is causing inflation.

00:03:30.000 And so if we could re-ripen that issue and go take another bite out of Joe Biden before the election, that would be wise.

00:03:36.000 Kevin McCarthy exceeded the authority that he was given.

00:03:39.000 He viewed the Limit, Save, Grow Act as a permission slip to freelance, and we must now correct that misassessment.

00:03:47.000 So the correcting of the assessment.

00:03:50.000 What is this rule vote stuff, Matt?

00:03:51.000 Again, I only understand it.

00:03:53.000 Most people say rules.

00:03:54.000 What are you talking about?

00:03:54.000 Again, go ahead.

00:03:57.000 We took over the floor.

00:03:58.000 The bottom line is Kevin McCarthy has to have a coalition with someone to be able to operate the floor.

00:04:05.000 And that coalition either is with House Conservatives, which it was during the first five months of his speakership, or that coalition is with Hakeem Jeffries, as it was on the debt limit.

00:04:16.000 And our message to Kevin McCarthy is that he has to be monogamous with one coalition or the other.

00:04:22.000 He can't put House conservatives on his arm and parade us around for five months and then go jump in the back seat with Hakeem Jeffries when he wants to do a $4 trillion debt limit deal, expecting he'll be welcomed back home by House Conservatives.

00:04:35.000 So if he's going to have a monogamous coalition with Hakeem Jeffries, then let's lay that bare before the country and let's see how well that goes for him.

00:04:43.000 It didn't allow him to get a vote on a matter he wanted to take a vote on yesterday, but we're not going to be the entity in this relationship that watches him go and engage in a dallions with Jeffries and then welcome him back with open arms.

00:04:59.000 So this looks like a squabble.

00:05:02.000 What concessions, what actions, what behaviors would satisfy you and your colleagues, say, okay, we're back on track.

00:05:10.000 Anything?

00:05:11.000 I'm sure there's something, right?

00:05:12.000 Because Matt, we'd admit there's some good stuff that we're seeing, right?

00:05:15.000 Some of the oversight stuff I like.

00:05:16.000 So what do you think is the ask?

00:05:18.000 What is the ask to remedy this speed bump?

00:05:22.000 Well, what we have done so far is we have presented to Speaker McCarthy the violation of the core element of the agreement that allowed him to become Speaker.

00:05:32.000 And we've asked him how he plans to remedy his violation.

00:05:36.000 So far, his answers to us have been insufficient and inadequate.

00:05:41.000 And so, you know, I'm not speaking for anyone but myself here, but I do think that we're going to have to revisit how House conservatives are represented on committees, how matters proceed to the floor, and what the doctrine is whenever Kevin McCarthy wants to go buy Democrat votes with earmark money over the farm bill or the national defense bill or any other measure that might come to the House.

00:06:06.000 We have to understand that doctrine.

00:06:08.000 So I don't know that it's a key deliverable so much as it's a reconstruction of the architecture of the power sharing agreement.

00:06:15.000 Okay, so legislatively, there's this pistol brace bill that might be coming up.

00:06:21.000 There's some really big things.

00:06:24.000 And then summer is kind of a it's it's a hot and then it gets totally dead, right?

00:06:28.000 The recess is what, two, three, four weeks, six weeks almost?

00:06:31.000 It seems like it's forever.

00:06:32.000 Yeah, we take a month off for about seven weeks.

00:06:37.000 So I think it's important that we start to make some real progress.

00:06:40.000 At least we start to get some of this stuff figured out, right?

00:06:43.000 And so what are some of then the legislative asks that you and Congresswoman Boebert have?

00:06:50.000 I mean, because this is not just, I'm sure, a detail thing.

00:06:53.000 I'm sure there's other stuff that says, hey, we have to accelerate, you know, some make goods.

00:06:58.000 Is that correct?

00:06:59.000 Yeah, in the original deal, there was a requirement for a vote on term limits.

00:07:05.000 We haven't had that vote on term limits.

00:07:07.000 In that original deal, there was a demand for a vote on a balanced budget.

00:07:10.000 We haven't had a vote on a balanced budget.

00:07:12.000 And so we have to have stronger enforcement to ensure that the things that are in writing that Kevin McCarthy agreed to actually come true and they don't just exist on a paper in someone's drawer.

00:07:23.000 Now, you mentioned the pistol brace bill.

00:07:25.000 That was supposed to be up this week.

00:07:27.000 But because Andrew Clyde voted with me on the debt limit procedural matter, the vote was pulled from this week as an act of punishment and retaliation.

00:07:36.000 So think about this.

00:07:37.000 This leadership team is so small and so petty that they would punish tens of millions of gun owners, many of whom are disabled veterans who use shooting braces in order to make a political point and to keep power.

00:07:51.000 I do not like bullies.

00:07:53.000 I do not tolerate bullies.

00:07:54.000 And so if anyone thinks that they're going to push around House conservatives by threatening our bills or hurting our constituents, they've got another thing coming.

00:08:02.000 I am also concerned that as you and I are having this discussion right now, the leadership is deciding whether or not to punish House conservatives by canceling the upcoming oversight hearing to hold Christopher Wray in contempt.

00:08:14.000 So if the way to punish us is to help the FBI, I think that is an escalation of conflict within the Republican caucus, not a move back toward the unity that you and I and Speaker McCarthy all celebrated for quite some time before it was violated.

00:08:32.000 So let's get to some other news here, Matt.

00:08:34.000 You're on House Judiciary Committee, and I'm sure you have some awareness.

00:08:38.000 There's so many of these stories that are coming out.

00:08:40.000 Bribery allegations, you know, Hunter Biden, this, it's all over the place.

00:08:45.000 And the House is really on the case to try to get the goods so that we can actually start to get this crime syndicate that's running the White House right now to be held accountable.

00:08:55.000 So Matt, where does this whistleblower stuff?

00:08:57.000 We had Ana Paulina come on and they said the FBI is worried about a hitman's going to come after one-eyed.

00:09:01.000 What are you here and what are you seeing, Matt?

00:09:03.000 One minute remaining.

00:09:04.000 I have met with the whistleblower who referenced the sourcing that was highly reliable regarding this corrupt act by the Bidens.

00:09:12.000 So in pure terms, the labor to be performed first, did this $5 million bribe actually consummate?

00:09:20.000 What we have is an allegation, but even against Joe Biden, there has to be rigorous evidence developed around that.

00:09:25.000 Second, who was involved in shutting down this investigation?

00:09:31.000 And to me, that's just as bad.

00:09:33.000 If you had people at the FBI who were taking any derogatory information about the Bidens and downgrading it and labeling it Russian disinformation, then that is election interference happening in the highest echelons of our law enforcement and our national security state.

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00:11:05.000 Matt, I want to get your reaction to some breaking news here.

00:11:09.000 Mike Pence is running for the presidency.

00:11:12.000 I want to...

00:11:13.000 Okay, yeah, there it is.

00:11:14.000 Let's play Cut 73, and then I want your reaction, Matt Gates.

00:11:18.000 But today, our country's in a lot of trouble.

00:11:21.000 President Joe Biden and the radical left have weakened America at home and abroad.

00:11:25.000 The American dream is being crushed under runaway inflation.

00:11:29.000 Wages are dropping.

00:11:30.000 Recession is looming.

00:11:32.000 Our southern border is under siege, and the enemies of freedom are on the march around the world.

00:11:37.000 And worse still, timeless American values are under assault as never before.

00:11:43.000 We're better than this.

00:11:45.000 We can turn this country around, but different times call for different leadership.

00:11:50.000 Today, our party and our country need a leader that'll appeal, as Lincoln said, to the better angels of our nature.

00:11:57.000 I have long believed to whom much is given, much will be required.

00:12:01.000 That's why today, before God and my family, I'm announcing I'm running for president of the United States.

00:12:08.000 Matt Gates, Mike Pence is running for the presidency.

00:12:11.000 Your reaction.

00:12:12.000 I'm sure Mike Pence's voter is very excited about that announcement.

00:12:17.000 Didn't see a big crowd there with him, and it bears some resemblance to the Chris Christie announcement we saw recently, which seemed to be attended about as thoroughly as a regularly sized homeowners association meeting.

00:12:30.000 But in a way, Mike Pence and Chris Christie are victims in the political-industrial complex because some consultant somewhere has convinced Mike Pence and Chris Christie that they might be president one day.

00:12:43.000 I know it sounds crazy, but that consultant will get rich, win or lose, based on the existence of a campaign.

00:12:51.000 But I don't see much of a lane for these folks.

00:12:54.000 I mean, if Chris Christie had run in 2012, he might have won the presidency, but he missed his moment.

00:13:00.000 You know, it's odd.

00:13:01.000 Like, running for president's like a wave.

00:13:03.000 You know, if you get out in front of it too early, you get just totally crashed, a Ron DeSantis type scenario.

00:13:09.000 And if you wait too long, as Chris Christie did, missing his chance in 2012, it can pass you by.

00:13:15.000 So there's all these candidates, Matt.

00:13:19.000 The governor of Florida is running from your home state.

00:13:22.000 And now there's some whispers that the mayor of Miami might be running for the presidency.

00:13:27.000 Matt Gates, your reaction.

00:13:30.000 Francis Suarez, the kind of Republican who endorsed Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump and the kind of Republican who endorsed Andrew Gillum over Ron DeSantis.

00:13:37.000 Who knows?

00:13:38.000 Francis Suarez may run with Andrew Gillum as his running mate, for all I know.

00:13:43.000 But he's not the type of Republican we really think highly of in Florida.

00:13:47.000 He's carved out a niche for himself in Miami, where his father also served in the same post as mayor.

00:13:54.000 And I don't know that there's really a political reach for him beyond the 305.

00:13:59.000 So, Matt, I want to get your insight on this.

00:14:02.000 I know we're kind of going boom, boom, boom, but you can handle it.

00:14:04.000 You're built for TV.

00:14:05.000 By the way, when Matt Gates filled in on Newsmax, he had higher ratings than CNN.

00:14:08.000 Is that right?

00:14:10.000 I beat CNN one night and MSNBC the next.

00:14:10.000 I did.

00:14:12.000 So now I'm really going to ask you the heart.

00:14:14.000 Now you're at a level where I can ask you the curveballs and the sliders.

00:14:18.000 So Matt, the smart money, quote unquote, says Donald Trump's going to be indicted soon.

00:14:23.000 He's basically saying it.

00:14:24.000 Eric Trump seems to be saying it.

00:14:26.000 This is very concerning.

00:14:28.000 Jim Jordan has sent out a letter saying, you know, we want information about this.

00:14:32.000 But Matt, this is direct election interference.

00:14:34.000 They're going to have Donald Trump under multiple indictments simultaneously.

00:14:38.000 Your reaction?

00:14:39.000 I think his numbers will go up.

00:14:40.000 I mean, think about what they're going to indict him for.

00:14:43.000 A dispute with the archivist.

00:14:46.000 In the case of Barack Obama and Bill Clinton and the aforementioned Mike Pence and Joe Biden, you find documents that probably shouldn't be in the possession of these individuals.

00:14:58.000 But only with Trump does this emerge in some sort of criminal prosecution, only with Trump.

00:15:04.000 And it's that type of double standard that fuels his political movement and his political prospects.

00:15:10.000 So I think he's like the incredible Hulk.

00:15:12.000 The more you shoot at him, the tougher and stronger and more effective he gets.

00:15:16.000 But it certainly says something far more dangerous about this justice system that in too many ways at the federal level has become the enforcement wing of the political left.

00:15:26.000 And it's why I'm so mad we underwrote $4 trillion in debt to continue funding the whole thing.

00:15:32.000 If you're really mad about the FBI and the DOJ and the weaponized government, you should be voting with me in the United States Congress against the different things that gaslight their ability to continue to grow exponentially.

00:15:45.000 So we use the power of the subpoena pretty effectively under Speaker McCarthy's leadership, and he is owed credit for that, but we don't use the power of the purse effectively, and that's where I'm trying to stiffen the spine of some of my Republican colleagues.

00:15:59.000 Matt Gates, you might have a career in cable television if you ever want to get out of Congress.

00:16:03.000 In the meantime, please keep fighting.

00:16:05.000 Thanks so much, Matt.

00:16:06.000 I like what I'm doing now, but I appreciate the endorsement.

00:16:08.000 Very good.

00:16:09.000 I wouldn't want to be a congressman, but glad you're there.

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00:17:19.000 Okay, joining us now is Libby Emmons, editor-in-chief of the Postmillennial and Human Events.

00:17:24.000 Libby, welcome to the program.

00:17:26.000 Fill us in what happened in Glendale, California yesterday.

00:17:30.000 So, yeah, so in Glendale, you had some parents go out to a school board meeting.

00:17:34.000 They have been protesting the school board there for some time, demanding that there's transparency of curriculum.

00:17:42.000 Last night, parents went out.

00:17:44.000 There's a large Armenian population as well.

00:17:47.000 I talked to one mom who was filming inside the school board meeting and a dad who was actually outside watching what was going on.

00:17:55.000 He told me that Antifa-type people showed up.

00:17:59.000 They sided and segregated themselves with the proponents of LGBTQ curriculum in schools and then broke off and went to confront a group of Armenian men who were in a parking lot right nearby.

00:18:14.000 At that point, from what I understand, one of the Antifa guys threw a punch at one of the Armenian men and a scuffle broke out.

00:18:24.000 Now, we want everyone to remain peaceful, but it sounds as if this whole thing was in self-defense of Antifa.

00:18:29.000 Is that correct?

00:18:30.000 Yeah, that's my understanding.

00:18:32.000 And there also has been substantial backlash against the Armenian community there, in part because so many Armenians have been opposed to LGBTQ indoctrination in schools.

00:18:46.000 But it's not just the Armenian community.

00:18:48.000 Hispanic parents who I've spoken to are equally opposed.

00:18:52.000 Christian parents, they don't want this stuff being pushed on their kids.

00:18:56.000 They want their kids to get a proper education and to not be indoctrinated.

00:19:00.000 And this has been going on for well over a year that the school board has been directly opposed to parents and refusing to hear parents' concerns about all of this pride indoctrination.

00:19:13.000 And this is from elementary schools all the way through high schools in the school district.

00:19:17.000 I am optimistic about one element of the story.

00:19:19.000 First of all, I love Armenians.

00:19:20.000 It's the oldest Christian country in the world.

00:19:22.000 Most people don't know that, and they're being terrorized by the Turks, and this is just terrible. 0.79

00:19:27.000 But a wrinkle to this is that ethnic populations in America, Armenians, Venezuelans, people that have anchors to the countries they came from.

00:19:39.000 saying they're not American, they're American, but they certainly have tied roots to where they came from.

00:19:45.000 They don't put up with this trans stuff. 1.00

00:19:47.000 This trans stuff. 1.00

00:19:47.000 No, they don't. 1.00

00:19:48.000 Libby, do you have thoughts on this?

00:19:49.000 This trans stuff is largely pushed by lily white liberals on the Upper East Side. 0.84

00:19:54.000 Armenians, Turk, Venezuela, Cubans, Venezuelans, Mexicans, Nicaraguans.

00:20:02.000 And so tell us, am I hitting the mark on that, Libby?

00:20:05.000 Yeah, I think you are exactly right, Charlie.

00:20:08.000 And we saw this actually a couple of years ago in the UK when a group of Muslim parents took it to the school board and said, stop indoctrinating our kids with all of this LGBTQ sex ed. 0.99

00:20:20.000 And the school board in that case had to cave.

00:20:23.000 And it's interesting, I was tweeting about this earlier because you have the left right now at a distinct crossroads.

00:20:29.000 Do they respect diversity of cultures and cultural customs or do they need to indoctrinate all the cultures of the world with LGBTQ ideology? 0.86

00:20:42.000 Which one are they going to go for?

00:20:44.000 It's actually interesting to me and sort of an odd thing where you have the left, the LGBTQ advocates, the social justice people always talking about how important it is to, well, they don't talk about it quite as much anymore, do they?

00:20:59.000 And I think this is why.

00:21:00.000 But they were talking for a long time about how important it is to respect cultural differences of all the cultures of the world and how bad it was for Christians to go out there and be missionaries and to try and share the word of Jesus Christ.

00:21:14.000 And now their entire mission from the organization GLISSIN to the UN to the Biden administration across the board is to go out there and force abortions and LGBTQ and gender identity on all these countries. 0.76

00:21:29.000 African countries are pushing back. 0.98

00:21:31.000 I was at the UN Commission on the Status of Women a couple years ago in 2019, and I heard from a woman from Kenya who was complaining to the UN about how they're funding all, they're pushing all of this money in Kenya for abortions and how Kenyan women want to have children.

00:21:49.000 They want to be mothers.

00:21:50.000 They need support to be mothers and to create families, not to destroy them.

00:21:56.000 There's a paradox here.

00:21:57.000 The left wants unlimited amounts of foreigners to come to America, but they don't want the cultural imperialism of white upper east side, men can give birth. 0.82

00:22:07.000 I live a miserable life, so you should too.

00:22:09.000 I mean, there is a belief, it's laughed out of the room. 0.96

00:22:13.000 I mean, you talk to a Syrian refugee, which really shouldn't be coming to America. 1.00

00:22:17.000 It's a separate issue.

00:22:18.000 But they're the ones that find this whole thing so repulsive.

00:22:21.000 And again, the Armenian community, they've been, many of them have been here for multiple generations, but they are very, very clear about their love of the homeland and their connection.

00:22:33.000 And so it's fitting that they're starting to push back against this.

00:22:36.000 I want to play some tape here to give you a flavor of the energy on the ground, PlayCut 75.

00:22:42.000 Asking little children what they sexually identify as.

00:22:46.000 Children are not sexual beings, nor should they be. 0.74

00:22:50.000 The sexualization of children is pedophilia.

00:22:54.000 Let's get to another tape here.

00:22:56.000 And this is 74.

00:22:58.000 I think this is a pro-groomer man in a dress talking at the meeting, PlayCut 74, man in a dress talking about kids.

00:23:08.000 Dear DU Steve School Board, I want to say thank you for your service to this community.

00:23:12.000 As a father of three, having a child in the school system since 2008, I want to thank you and your predecessors for helping to create an inclusive, diversified learning environment which allows our children to thrive.

00:23:22.000 When my children learn about Armenian heritage, they're not being indoctrinated.

00:23:26.000 My children learn about the KKK and white nationalism, they're not being indoctrinated. 0.86

00:23:31.000 Okay, so this guy's a father of three, who's obviously a neurotic freak who needs help.

00:23:36.000 So Libby, you've been covering this for quite some time.

00:23:41.000 I think we sat down at the Young Women's Leadership Summit last summer, talked about the transing of America, the gayest generation history.

00:23:49.000 And I think we even had you on the Young Women's Leadership Summit the year before, and you'll be there again this weekend.

00:23:54.000 Are you seeing progress on our side finally?

00:23:58.000 Are you seeing some tangible proven pushback?

00:24:03.000 You know, I really am.

00:24:04.000 And it gives me so much hope when I talk to these parents in Glendale.

00:24:08.000 The clip that you just played of that fella, that pro-groomer fella, was shot by a mom who I was speaking to who was inside the school board taking footage.

00:24:19.000 And this parents group and Glendale actually started working with the parents group at Satakoi Elementary.

00:24:26.000 And they've been teaming up on tactics, on trying to get this stuff out of schools.

00:24:30.000 And I think what really happened, and it happened in part during COVID, was this whole mess of activists started coming for our kids.

00:24:39.000 And American parents are not playing around with this anymore.

00:24:42.000 And they just don't want it. 0.99

00:24:44.000 And I love to see Moms for Liberty pushing back against it.

00:24:47.000 They've given so many parents a voice.

00:24:50.000 The Glendale parents are unified.

00:24:52.000 They are giving parents a voice.

00:24:54.000 And I talk to parents all over the country.

00:24:57.000 I started doing this during COVID about COVID lockdowns and the school closures.

00:25:01.000 And parents are just entirely opposed.

00:25:04.000 And they don't want anyone messing with their kids.

00:25:06.000 American parents have one huge thing in common, which is that they want the best opportunities for their children.

00:25:12.000 And even if they are pro-LGBTQ, that whole agenda, they are opposed to having it be the focus of education.

00:25:21.000 Parents want their kids to learn math, to learn English, to learn languages and science, and be able to go out into the world fortified with information and the tools that they need to be successful adults in our society.

00:25:34.000 And learning all about your gender and that you can switch pronouns when you're still in elementary school will only handicap kids. 0.96

00:25:40.000 And all parents are seeing this so fully.

00:25:44.000 This is what happens.

00:25:45.000 This is the crescendo of a flawed modern education model.

00:25:51.000 The classical education model that our founding fathers were educated in until John Dewey and those maniacs obliterated it in the early 1900s was about we are going to create a full human being who is wise.

00:26:06.000 The technical stuff can always be added on later.

00:26:09.000 We scrapped that because of an industrial model in Woodrow Wilson, who actually was a college president.

00:26:15.000 They said, no, we must teach you technical stuff first and foremost because wisdom is all just subjective.

00:26:22.000 We're not going to study the ancients or the classics or Socrates or Plato or Aristotle or ask the questions of what is good, what is courage, what is justice, what is temperance, what is prudence, these questions that built Western society.

00:26:35.000 This is a very predictable outcome.

00:26:38.000 This is the apex.

00:26:39.000 When you do this for 50 or 60 years, one minute remaining, Libby, your thoughts.

00:26:43.000 Yeah, I think that you're exactly right on that.

00:26:46.000 And you even have the social emotional learning people.

00:26:48.000 And I've talked to James Lindsay about this.

00:26:50.000 And they come in there and they say that they need to teach empathy and socialization and all of this trash and that they don't need to teach actual knowledge or information or books because kids can find all of that on Google.

00:27:04.000 They actually say that in their literature.

00:27:07.000 And it behooves all parents to make sure that their kids are learning properly.

00:27:12.000 Read them books.

00:27:14.000 Read them, you know, the biographies of our great presidents.

00:27:17.000 My son and I read John Adams' biography.

00:27:19.000 We're reading all about Abraham Lincoln these days.

00:27:22.000 We read the Bible together.

00:27:23.000 And it's important to lay the foundation for morality, values, for deep thinking, for critical thinking.

00:27:30.000 Understand the ancients.

00:27:32.000 Understand all of this knowledge and wisdom that has been passed on. 0.96

00:27:35.000 And the LGBTQ activists in schools, the social-emotional learning people want your kids to just be flops of flesh, desire-seeking, useless creatures that are just suckling at the government handouts. 1.00

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00:28:55.000 Libby Emmons is with us post-Millennium Human Events.

00:28:58.000 I spent some time with David Godwin, who wrote a book of Pete Hegseth this weekend in Boise, and he gave me this document published by his organization.

00:29:07.000 It's David Goodwin, I'm sorry.

00:29:09.000 The Ambrose Group.

00:29:10.000 Discover classical Christian education.

00:29:12.000 Let's take the education quiz.

00:29:13.000 Libby, I think you're going to love this.

00:29:15.000 What is education about?

00:29:16.000 Is it about, A, success in college and in the job market are the primary reasons I send my kid to school?

00:29:22.000 Or is it that if my child's education builds wisdom, the natural result will be success in life?

00:29:29.000 Should it be education should be entertaining so that kids can enjoy their childhood?

00:29:32.000 Or education is a joy unto itself for the student who is taught to love learning.

00:29:38.000 Should students need up-to-date training emphasizing technology and science, be prepared for the future, or students need broad-based knowledge in the context of a Christian worldview to be prepared for an uncertain future.

00:29:47.000 The whole premise of how we are doing education is wrong.

00:29:50.000 And Libby, we see this with the rise of the parents' party.

00:29:54.000 Modern education is largely a failed project.

00:29:57.000 Look at the literacy rates.

00:29:58.000 Look at the crime, the suicide.

00:30:00.000 Libby, is it time for us to kind of reevaluate how we've been doing government education the last 20 or 30 or 40 years?

00:30:08.000 The results are in, and it's tragic.

00:30:10.000 Your thoughts?

00:30:11.000 Yeah, I thoroughly agree with that.

00:30:13.000 I think the government public education model has been a disaster.

00:30:17.000 I think it's important for government to provide education for America's youth.

00:30:22.000 But all that they are doing right now is trying to turn children into manageable adults who they can plug into the job market wherever they need to be.

00:30:29.000 They're not trying to create critical thinking, successful adults who can live lives according to, you know, their own ideas and, you know, with wisdom and knowledge.

00:30:42.000 And I think that that's really missing.

00:30:43.000 I remember when I was in high school and I went to a very nice high school.

00:30:48.000 It was a private school.

00:30:49.000 And we learned about philosophy.

00:30:51.000 We read Shakespeare.

00:30:52.000 We read great books.

00:30:54.000 Our teachers gave us lists of great books and said, go read all of these.

00:30:59.000 We read Orwell.

00:31:00.000 I remember an independent study where I was reading Franz Kafka and then having in-depth conversations with my remarkably intelligent English teacher about it.

00:31:09.000 These were college professor grade people who decided that it was important to teach high school students and prepare them.

00:31:17.000 I often have said that college was far easier than high school and grad school was even easier than college.

00:31:24.000 And it's because the high school education that was provided to me was absolutely exceptional.

00:31:29.000 And I can look out into the landscape now and see very, very successful people in media and across our culture who graduated with me, who went to the same high school that I did.

00:31:39.000 And it, I think, is really sad that this is not the kind of education that everyone gets.

00:31:44.000 Part of what we had was religious education that we had every week.

00:31:48.000 We studied political structures.

00:31:50.000 We studied civics.

00:31:51.000 We studied arts.

00:31:53.000 And we didn't study them in terms of how we plug these into our corporate lives or how to get jobs.

00:31:59.000 It was learning for the sake of learning.

00:32:01.000 And that is what is missing here.

00:32:02.000 And when you read about our founding.

00:32:04.000 Yeah, and when you read about our founding fathers and you read what they were up to, they were reading Kikero. 0.93

00:32:11.000 They were reading, you know, Homer.

00:32:12.000 They were reading all of these ancient things and gleaning what they could from those texts.

00:32:18.000 They knew their Bible stories.

00:32:20.000 And I think it's also really a shame what's been done to the English canon because we don't read great books anymore.

00:32:27.000 We read trendy books and they have absolutely nothing to teach us.

00:32:31.000 The clarity between a modern education and a classical education can be like this.

00:32:36.000 For example, a modern education is values neutral.

00:32:39.000 All moral positions are relative and hence all positions must be equally treated.

00:32:44.000 A classical education actually believes in idealism, that standards of right and wrong exist in all subject areas and students are taught to make judgments accordingly.

00:32:52.000 That alone shows the contrast.

00:32:54.000 A modern secular government education.

00:32:56.000 Most parents don't even realize this.

00:32:58.000 Oh, you know, we have a nice football team or all this.

00:33:02.000 No, no, no.

00:33:02.000 What is the moral premise of the education that you're sending your kids to?

00:33:06.000 A modern secular education will always experiment with new techniques and methods.

00:33:10.000 A traditional will hold to educational standards that have a clear track record of success. 0.95

00:33:14.000 30 seconds.

00:33:15.000 Libby, final thoughts.

00:33:17.000 You can even see this in the technical areas, how they're always changing the way math is taught.

00:33:21.000 I'm sure that tons of parents can relate to me when I say that when my child brings home math curriculum, a lot of times I don't even understand the way that they're supposed to do it.

00:33:30.000 It's not a traditional way and it doesn't make any sense.

00:33:34.000 I think it's so important that parents are fighting back against this stuff.

00:33:38.000 And I'm in favor of remaking these government schools to be actually helpful for human beings.

00:33:45.000 The only problem is the government doesn't care about our children.

00:33:48.000 The government just wants to indoctrinate them into whatever the latest trendy nonsense is.

00:33:53.000 And it also doesn't care about the future of our nation because if they did, they would care about our kids and our kids being able to, you know, live up to the promises of our founding.

00:34:04.000 Check out Postmillennial and Human Events.

00:34:06.000 Libby, great job.

00:34:07.000 Thank you so much.

00:34:08.000 Everybody, check out Young Women's Leadership Summit, tpusa.com slash YWS.

00:34:14.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:34:15.000 Everybody, email us your thoughts.

00:34:16.000 As always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:18.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

00:34:23.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 07, 2023

"Failure Theater" in the House with Rep. Matt Gaetz and Libby Emmons

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