The Charlie Kirk Show - Fighting the Good Fight

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00:00:01.000 James Robinson and Jay Richards join us about their new book, Fight the Good Fight.

00:00:06.000 Two amazing men talk about how an alliance of faith and reason can win the culture war.

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00:02:58.000 We have some wonderful guests this hour.

00:03:01.000 We have J.W. Richards, author that's co-author of the important book, Fight the Good Fight, and my friend and amazing person, James Robinson.

00:03:10.000 Welcome both, James and Jay.

00:03:11.000 James, I will hand you the baton, introduce the book and this project to us.

00:03:16.000 Great to have you on, James.

00:03:18.000 Well, we wrote a New York Times bestseller, I don't know, 12 years so called Indivisible.

00:03:25.000 And it was a fight for freedom.

00:03:28.000 And we decided to do a rewrite, you might say, of some of the concerns and the principles that have been totally abandoned, which are irreplaceable.

00:03:38.000 They have to be in place.

00:03:39.000 And we realized we need to take a different direction and try to deal with what we're actually facing today, which is the greatest assault, in my opinion, on freedom in the history of our nation.

00:03:50.000 And it's like right now we got Stalin running the country, but he's rather than using a bullet, he's using the courts, justice, and everything else to try to destroy us.

00:04:00.000 But he has to destroy us and control us.

00:04:02.000 And that's what he's working toward doing.

00:04:04.000 So he's trying to show people that there are principles that are confirmed by history, but they are very much biblical.

00:04:10.000 They're God's will.

00:04:12.000 And God's will can be done on his earth.

00:04:14.000 And that's what he wants to happen.

00:04:15.000 That's the kingdom impact he left us here to make.

00:04:18.000 So I think the book, and I think Jay, is just absolutely a gift from God.

00:04:22.000 And I think heritage and everybody recognizes that.

00:04:25.000 But we've been brought together, me, a mainline evangelical Protestant for sure, and Jay, a very strong Catholic.

00:04:34.000 But both of us realize that we have room to grow and we're both willing to grow and we have grown together with a supernatural union, which God wants for the whole church.

00:04:43.000 So Charlie, you are as great an inspiration, in my opinion, to the church and the nation and to people that love freedom, who believe faith, family, and freedom matters.

00:04:52.000 There is nobody making a better impact, especially on the younger people in our nation, but the whole nation.

00:04:58.000 And we love you, Charlie.

00:04:59.000 We're glad to be with you.

00:05:00.000 Thank you, James.

00:05:01.000 You've been a wonderful supporter and friend.

00:05:03.000 Jay, welcome to the program.

00:05:04.000 Jay is with Heritage and also the co-author of this very important book.

00:05:08.000 Jay, tell us about your approach here and the importance of this book, especially in this election year.

00:05:13.000 Absolutely.

00:05:14.000 As James said, we did a book in 2012 together, but in some ways that was still conventional left-right politics.

00:05:20.000 I mean, we're talking Barack Obama and Mitt Romney.

00:05:22.000 We were still debating natural marriage versus same-sex marriage.

00:05:26.000 And James and I thought, well, we could reissue Indivisible, but we're looking around.

00:05:30.000 No, this, we're in a different world now.

00:05:32.000 I mean, there's this thing that we call woke ideology just because we don't have a word for it, but it's essentially a cultural wrecking ball that manifests itself in all of our institutions and in the academy.

00:05:43.000 You spend a lot of time on this.

00:05:45.000 This is a different moment, but it's also a kind of hopeful moment.

00:05:48.000 And that's the subtitle of the book, How an Alliance of Faith and Reason Can Win the Culture War.

00:05:55.000 Because a lot of conservatives like us, social conservatives, we tend to think, okay, the only people we can really lie with are just people like us.

00:06:02.000 But Charlie, in the last three years, I've been fighting gender ideology as you have. 0.56

00:06:05.000 What I found is there is a completely new group of people.

00:06:09.000 There's all the regular social conservatives.

00:06:11.000 There's Trump conservatives that were brought into the Republican Party maybe in 2016.

00:06:15.000 But there are atheist evolutionary biologists. 1.00

00:06:18.000 There are suburban moms who didn't have any sort of political bone in their bodies.

00:06:23.000 There are people that identify as lesbian that hate gender ideology.

00:06:26.000 It's a completely different world.

00:06:28.000 And so what we're going to do is write a book that both gave conservative Christians and social conservatives a way to understand theologically all the important issues, but also the basic arguments that we think you need to make in persuading these new potential allies that we have.

00:06:43.000 Because look, we live in a republic.

00:06:44.000 And so it can't just be sort of the 20% of conservative Christians that agree with each other.

00:06:49.000 We've got to find a way to conjugate and to build a new governing coalition.

00:06:53.000 That's what we're hoping to do.

00:06:54.000 Very important topic and point here.

00:06:56.000 And either one of you, I could go to you first, Jay.

00:06:59.000 So talk about that broadening coalition.

00:07:02.000 And I am criticized at times for embracing that people that might not have the biblical worldview that we do want to fight for liberty.

00:07:10.000 Pastors tell me, you got to stop doing that.

00:07:12.000 You should never align with people that are not Christians in the fight for liberty. 1.00

00:07:17.000 For example, should we, Jay, work with homosexuals against the grooming type issue? 0.84

00:07:23.000 Should we work with Muslims if they want to take over school boards? 1.00

00:07:27.000 What is your answer to that, Jay?

00:07:29.000 I mean, the short answer is yes.

00:07:31.000 But of course, your pastor friend that warns you is right.

00:07:34.000 So if I say, okay, I'm going to work with gays against groomers fighting gender ideology because they're following the light that they have. 0.99

00:07:42.000 So I'm going to agree with them on that.

00:07:44.000 That doesn't mean I'm not reserving a time later in which I want to have a longer conversation about the nature of marriage and natural law and all those kinds of things.

00:07:53.000 Same thing with allying with an atheist who believes in freedom and limited government.

00:07:57.000 We need to be building friendships with these people that may be 20% our friends, but in many cases, they're 70% are friends.

00:08:04.000 The problem is that conservatives, our instinct is usually to fight people that are closest to us.

00:08:09.000 Freud called it the narcissism of small differences.

00:08:12.000 My view is what you should do is say, okay, what does the left want us doing?

00:08:16.000 Well, what the left wants to have happen is Protestants and classical liberals and Catholics all to fight amongst ourselves, right?

00:08:23.000 We need to say, okay, what do they want us to do?

00:08:26.000 And then do the opposite if we actually want to win.

00:08:29.000 James, do you have a thought on that?

00:08:31.000 Let me just say that I think one of the things we have to realize when we're talking about cooperation, we're not going to see the kind of healthy spiritual, God-led cooperation until the church, the family of God, the family of the perfect father, and the body of the perfect person, Christ, begin to look like him and the family comes together.

00:08:50.000 The family of the perfect father needs to learn to love one another.

00:08:53.000 Jay and I are a tremendous example of that happening.

00:08:56.000 We don't compromise one point of view, and we believe God is correcting all of us and we all need to be corrected.

00:09:02.000 We need to be yielded clay in the hands of the Master Potter, who will shape us all into a vessel of honor.

00:09:08.000 A vessel of honor is a vessel through which God flows his word, his will, his love, and his transforming truth in unconditional love.

00:09:16.000 Now, that's what he's looking for.

00:09:18.000 And he's looking for a family where we come together with our unique design and our divine purpose and our kingdom purpose, and we begin to live to see God's will done on his earth.

00:09:30.000 His will can be done on his earth.

00:09:32.000 And it is his family that will show the way of supernatural cooperation and unity, even if you may have a different theological point of view.

00:09:40.000 The people who had memorized the Bible were the chief crucifiers of Jesus. 0.89

00:09:45.000 So you can take God's word and use it against God.

00:09:49.000 We have to be very careful.

00:09:50.000 We have to all remain yielded clay and teachable.

00:09:53.000 That's what we're trying to inspire the church to do, to look like the Father, the body of Christ to look like him.

00:10:00.000 That is the kingdom impact on planet earth we were left here to make.

00:10:04.000 And if everybody will realize you've got to put certain unshakable, irrefutable principles in place for anything to win, starting with marriage all the way through everything that happens on this earth, those principles have been cast aside.

00:10:19.000 They have not only been mocked and ridiculed, they have been removed, and we've got to pull them back.

00:10:24.000 And we have to do that by getting the right leaders who understand the importance of the imperative principles that are catastrophic if you deny them, blessed if you keep them.

00:10:35.000 And that's what we're trying to do in the book, Fight the Good Fight.

00:10:39.000 And it takes the family of God to fight that fight.

00:10:42.000 That's what the disciples were left here to do.

00:10:44.000 They weren't left here to get out of here.

00:10:46.000 They were left here to get him in in the fullness of his power in his family so the whole world could see him as he is.

00:10:53.000 And we'll be following the principles that we discuss very clearly, but at about a seventh grade reading level, because we want everybody to be able to read it.

00:11:01.000 It's a simple read, powerful, undeniable principles.

00:11:05.000 And I think Jay did a fabulous job of fleshing them out in a way that very few people could do it.

00:11:10.000 It is Fight the Good Fight, how an alliance of faith and reason can win the culture war.

00:11:16.000 Jay, can you just tease our audience?

00:11:18.000 What does a victory in the culture war look like?

00:11:21.000 What a victory in the culture war looks like is that people that recognize biological sex applies to human beings is a reality.

00:11:30.000 And that's true both in our institutions, but also in our public culture.

00:11:34.000 It's a place in which people can exercise genuine religious freedom, the free exercise of religion, which isn't mere private belief.

00:11:41.000 It's also not sort of a national establishment of religion, but it's a vibrant practice of Christianity and vibrant faith in the public square.

00:11:49.000 Those are the kind of two things that I think will be major signs that we're moving in the right direction and have at least won some of the short-term battles.

00:11:57.000 Here's the book right here: Fight the Good Fight.

00:11:59.000 James is nice enough to send me a copy.

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00:13:19.000 So, James, I'm only going to ask some of these questions, not even from an oppositional advocate standpoint, but just because I received these tough questions, and I think it's helpful for our audience to work through it.

00:13:29.000 So, the other day, a pastor who's very well known, I was dialoguing with him on text, and he was all about America and what to happen.

00:13:38.000 He said, Charlie, it's Deuteronomy 28.

00:13:40.000 America's falling apart.

00:13:42.000 Jesus is coming imminently.

00:13:43.000 It's not going to be saved.

00:13:45.000 James, how do you, and then I want to get Jay, but James, how do you respond?

00:13:49.000 Because that is, I hear from a lot of pastors, not that they say that we shouldn't fight, but it's just not worth it, that God is done with America.

00:13:56.000 What is your response, James? 0.97

00:13:58.000 Well, that's absolutely ridiculous. 0.96

00:14:01.000 That's like wishing the owner of a sports team accept a few wins when they want the championship. 0.89

00:14:06.000 Our father created this world and he gave us oversight over everything that he created.

00:14:12.000 We've done a very poor job overseeing.

00:14:15.000 We have not cared for the flocks or the fields.

00:14:18.000 We have given the fields up to the briars and all of the weeds, and we have given the flock to the wolves and the lions.

00:14:24.000 We can take it back.

00:14:26.000 We are supposed to be effective overseers, and we do it as the family of the perfect father.

00:14:31.000 He left us here praying this: Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

00:14:39.000 That was not wishful thinking, that was the will of the father.

00:14:43.000 And the king has come.

00:14:46.000 The king is not only here, he is in us.

00:14:50.000 He said he established his kingdom in us.

00:14:52.000 And then, after the resurrection, he said he put his kingdom in us in resurrection power.

00:14:57.000 When he was about to ascend, the disciples were asking him if he's going to set up the next kingdom.

00:15:01.000 He said, Why are you talking about something that only one person knows?

00:15:05.000 Do what I left you here to do, but tarry basically until you're endued with this power from on high where the Holy Spirit, the living God, comes in you in power and puts the kingdom power in you with my will being done through you in supernatural power.

00:15:20.000 That's what happened in the upper room.

00:15:22.000 When they walked out of the upper room, those guys that didn't understand clearly kingdom, they came out demonstrating the kingdom.

00:15:29.000 And the entire book of Acts touched everything on planet earth with godly oversight and godly impact.

00:15:35.000 And the whole world was changed.

00:15:37.000 And the greatest power force in history was brought down and the word of God was able to go forth.

00:15:43.000 Now, that word is to go forth in a family that's committed to kingdom purpose.

00:15:47.000 They're praying, thy kingdom come, thy will be done.

00:15:52.000 Well, the king has come, it's in us, his will can be done.

00:15:55.000 The church needs to come together and realize that we can give godly oversight to God's planet.

00:16:01.000 Heaven and earth is the Lord's.

00:16:03.000 We can do his will on his earth and we can put his principles back in place.

00:16:08.000 That's what we get to do with freedom.

00:16:10.000 We can actually put people who have wisdom controlling them and principles that are unshakable and irrefutable in place.

00:16:17.000 That's what we've got to refer to.

00:16:19.000 And he's coming back for a family that does that and a body that looks like him.

00:16:23.000 And if you think he's coming before his will is done on his earth, you've got another thing coming.

00:16:28.000 The kingdom of God shall be preached in all nations.

00:16:32.000 All nations.

00:16:33.000 And then the end.

00:16:34.000 The kingdom of God is not being demonstrated in many nations, even among the believers.

00:16:39.000 That has to stop.

00:16:40.000 So Jay and I are talking about the principles that are irrefutable.

00:16:43.000 You have to have every area of life starting, let's say, with marriage, period.

00:16:48.000 And that is what we've done very clearly and very simply.

00:16:51.000 And I'm going to tell you something.

00:16:52.000 We can get dressed up in Jesus very fast.

00:16:54.000 We can look like him very fast.

00:16:56.000 We can show a defeated world what glory looks like and what the will of God looks like.

00:17:01.000 And that's what we've been left here to do.

00:17:02.000 I will settle for nothing less, neither will the father.

00:17:06.000 He didn't leave us here to get out of knowledge.

00:17:08.000 He left us here to get his will, his way, his mind, his wisdom in play in every life.

00:17:14.000 Excuse the zeal.

00:17:16.000 I just wish most pastors did.

00:17:16.000 I agree.

00:17:18.000 And we're going to talk about that throughout the hour because a lot of pastors I deal with say, I believe God's will, God's will is to rapture us out as quick as possible when things get.

00:17:28.000 And so I think that's important to discuss, though, James.

00:17:30.000 And again, I'm an action guy.

00:17:33.000 Jay, I want to just get.

00:17:33.000 You know that.

00:17:35.000 He did not leave us here, Charlie.

00:17:36.000 He did not leave us here to get us out of here.

00:17:38.000 He left us here to get him in here in the fullness of his power and glory.

00:17:42.000 That's what we must do.

00:17:44.000 I'm with you.

00:17:44.000 Jay.

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00:19:01.000 You coming from a Catholic perspective to give Catholics great credit is that they have built institutions and they have built multi-generational places of impact, whether it be education.

00:19:14.000 You look at how many Catholics are on the Supreme Court.

00:19:17.000 We Protestants could do a much better job of planting a tree that you'll never actually see come to its full fruit.

00:19:24.000 So I want to talk about that after the break and just also dialogue with this because there is a fair amount and they might be right to be clear, end times talk.

00:19:33.000 And I would say that a majority of our audience right now is saying, what's the point?

00:19:37.000 It's not falling apart.

00:19:38.000 It's falling into place.

00:19:39.000 And so I want to really talk about that.

00:19:41.000 And I also want you to address that from a Catholic perspective.

00:19:44.000 Absolutely.

00:19:44.000 I mean, look, whatever kind of Christian you are, if you're Orthodox, if you're a Catholic or evangelical, we all believe that Christ is going to come at some point and he's going to establish his kingdom in its fullness.

00:19:56.000 We also believe, because Jesus said, the kingdom of God is.

00:19:59.000 In us and is among us that there's a sense in which the kingdom is already here when the church acts as it's supposed to act.

00:20:05.000 So, when we give the poor a glass of water, that's the kingdom of God breaking into the here and now.

00:20:11.000 The thing we're not supposed to do is to use the second coming as a justification for inaction in the present.

00:20:18.000 That's the point, I think, part of the point of Jesus's claim that that we don't know the time or the place when this is going to happen.

00:20:23.000 We should always be ready, but the last thing we should do is just say well, let's just sort of give up.

00:20:28.000 Uh, we don't know what chapter we're in, we don't know whether the United States Of America makes it to the end or not.

00:20:34.000 But, as James said, we are given the responsibility to do what we can to advance goodness, truth and beauty in the here and now, always counting on the fact that yes, at some point, God in his sovereignty will establish his kingdom in its fullness.

00:20:48.000 That's not a justification for us to surrender right now.

00:20:51.000 In fact, the secular left would love for Christians to think exactly that way. 0.93

00:20:56.000 I, I am.

00:20:56.000 I am with you on that completely.

00:20:58.000 I want to now go to this here, page 29 uh, in your book, which is fight the good fight, go in Public.

00:21:04.000 You guys talk and I believe critically here, of the He Gets Us advertisement.

00:21:10.000 Uh Jay, can you tell us why you decided to mention that?

00:21:13.000 And because it says here quote, they were just an attempt to make Jesus appeal to left-wing Americans.

00:21:19.000 So that you know, over a couple hundred million bucks has been pledged behind that effort.

00:21:25.000 Uh, why is that approach not the best way to spread salt and light in the public discourse now?

00:21:32.000 So, in theory, of course, anytime we are trying to persuade someone, or if you're trying to evangelize someone, you want to speak in a language that they understand.

00:21:39.000 You don't use sort of foreign terms that that are off-putting.

00:21:42.000 So in that sense, I think uh, the He gets Us campaign makes sense.

00:21:46.000 I think where it failed is that it basically bought into some of the false stereotypes of conservative Christians, and so that was the thing that I think very much crossed the line.

00:21:56.000 It's one thing to say okay, I need to speak in a way that a kind of secular uh, leftist will understand.

00:22:01.000 It's.

00:22:01.000 Another thing to actually appeal to the false stereotypes of Christians in order to curry favor.

00:22:07.000 I think that was the kind of the serious rhetorical slip up in the He Gets Us campaign and moreover uh, leftists like Aoc didn't even buy it.

00:22:16.000 In fact, they accused the He Gets Us campaign of, I think, advancing Christian nationalism or something like that, so didn't even actually work with the target audience and I think in some ways it just perpetuated some of the unfair stereotypes that the media loves to play with perfect segue.

00:22:30.000 So James, i'm going to let you riff on this.

00:22:32.000 I have this other book, which i'm not trying to plug, but it's important just to say the false White Gospel which is being pushed by the regime where they're. 0.71

00:22:39.000 They're accusing people like us, James and Jay, of being Christian nationalists.

00:22:46.000 How shall we respond when we get called that label?

00:22:48.000 James, especially in this highly consequential election year?

00:22:52.000 Well, we're Christians that care about everything that matters to everybody that knows what matters.

00:22:57.000 And the Father knows what matters.

00:22:58.000 And we are committed to that.

00:23:00.000 And so if you want to call us names, you're going to call us names anyway.

00:23:04.000 We want everybody to know that we are here to see the Father's will done on his earth.

00:23:09.000 That's why he left us here.

00:23:10.000 We don't have to give education to the deceiver, but we did.

00:23:13.000 We did it.

00:23:14.000 Khrushchev was right.

00:23:16.000 They don't have to even take up a weapon against us.

00:23:18.000 We're going to fall into their hands like an overripe tomato.

00:23:20.000 Back in the 70s, I started telling all the people who used the free market wealthy to literally endow the universities that basically set up to destroy the free market.

00:23:30.000 And the universities have been given to the deceiver.

00:23:33.000 We can get them back.

00:23:34.000 We're in the process of showing that right now.

00:23:36.000 We must get them back.

00:23:37.000 We can get our public schools back.

00:23:39.000 We didn't have to give public education to the government.

00:23:41.000 We didn't have to give the future to an overreaching, overpowering, overthrowing government that is destroying totally what freedom really means.

00:23:50.000 We have the opportunity to literally come together in supernatural unity that Jesus prayed for and see the Father's will done on his earth.

00:24:00.000 And that means we can put people who are principled.

00:24:02.000 And that's what this book's about.

00:24:03.000 They're about 19 different principles, maybe 20 or more, that are absolutely irreplaceable.

00:24:09.000 And they're easy to put back in place because they work.

00:24:12.000 They bless everybody.

00:24:13.000 That's what God has given us.

00:24:15.000 He has given us direction that blesses his family.

00:24:18.000 And then his family blesses everybody else.

00:24:21.000 That's God's will being done on his earth.

00:24:24.000 He told us to pray for that.

00:24:25.000 It's not wiscle thinking.

00:24:27.000 It's the Father's will.

00:24:28.000 So let's get committed to the Father's will.

00:24:30.000 Let's put people in office and in leadership that understand you can't leave these principles out.

00:24:37.000 You can't even have a winning sports team if you don't understand respect for one another any more than you can have a good marriage if you don't respect one another.

00:24:45.000 There are principles that have to be in place in every area.

00:24:48.000 And Jay and I touch on those principles and they are irrefutable.

00:24:52.000 And Jay, you have done masterfully at helping people see it throughout history, why it works, and not having these principles is doomed to total failure.

00:25:02.000 Jay, do you have a thought on that?

00:25:04.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:25:05.000 I mean, we're sort of trapped either way because the media has spent several years weaponizing the term Christian nationalism and associating it with white supremacy and all sorts of terrible things.

00:25:16.000 And then there are, of course, a few people that have explicitly defended Christian nationalism in the sense that it's a call for, say, establishing a Calvinist confessional state in the United States of America.

00:25:27.000 Okay, there's a few people, a few Christians that are arguing that.

00:25:29.000 The vast majority of conservative Christians, what we're interested in is pushing back against the rabid secularism of our public culture, which is actually a betrayal of American history itself.

00:25:41.000 Look, the founders did not establish a national church, but they also created a widespread platform in the public square for religious ideas.

00:25:51.000 The idea that we can't apply the belief that people are made in the image of God to our laws, that we can't apply the natural law that's written on everyone's heart to our laws and our public institutions.

00:26:02.000 It's completely contrary to American history, and it doesn't make any sense.

00:26:06.000 That doesn't make you a person that's calling for, say, the establishment of a national church and a punishment of anyone who's not a Christian.

00:26:14.000 Almost no one actually believes that, but the media has done a really good job of weaponizing that term so that you either say, okay, we'll find them.

00:26:20.000 And I'm a Christian nationalist, in which case they think, okay, we've got you, or they get you busy denouncing Christian nationalism.

00:26:27.000 And so the trick to walk the razor's edge between those two traps that they want us to fall into.

00:26:33.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:26:34.000 And this is a term that has really now been pushed.

00:26:37.000 I mean, it's on the front, it's on the cover of their criticizing books now.

00:26:41.000 I mean, that's really where they're at.

00:26:43.000 So now let's transition to the election.

00:26:46.000 I know you're with Heritage, so you have to be careful how you talk about this.

00:26:49.000 So I totally get it, Jay.

00:26:51.000 James, I don't think has those same sort of nonprofit shackles.

00:26:55.000 He could say whatever he wants.

00:26:56.000 But let me ask it this way, Jay.

00:26:59.000 How should Christians think about voting from a biblical standpoint?

00:27:05.000 What, let's just say, inputs or what formula should a Christian use when they look at how to make a decision in this election and all elections, for that matter. 0.54

00:27:14.000 Yeah, but I would say a couple of things.

00:27:16.000 First, all issues are not created equal.

00:27:19.000 So look, broadband regulation doesn't have the same relevance in our voting and shouldn't have a relevance in our voting as the sort of defense of life or a defense of the country or our borders, for instance.

00:27:31.000 So that's the first thing.

00:27:31.000 The second thing is just look at the party platforms and see, okay, which one of these lines up with a robustly Christian or a Judeo-Christian understanding of reality.

00:27:41.000 Look, no one is going to claim that the Republican Party is the religious party and the Democratic Party is the irreligious party.

00:27:48.000 But, you know, just do a little bit of comparing and you can see exactly how this goes.

00:27:52.000 Now, look, I'm in D.C. I know the Republicans and Democrats, there's a sense in which sometimes you feel like you're dealing with the uniparty and the Republicans just do it things a little less badly or a little more slowly, but there are some fundamental differences at the level of the party platforms.

00:28:07.000 And then if you're thinking about the kind of personalities involved at the presidential level, think about this.

00:28:12.000 The president who enters the White House in January of 2025 is going to have something like 5,000 political appointees.

00:28:22.000 These are going to be the people that run and oversee all of these agencies that you can't remember the names of.

00:28:28.000 So you're not just voting for one person.

00:28:30.000 You're voting for thousands of people who hold one particular view of reality or another view of reality.

00:28:37.000 And so I'm afraid that people get caught up with the personality foibles and complications of the candidates and don't realize that those candidates are going to represent thousands of people that will actually be doing something for good or for ill in the government.

00:28:50.000 Your thoughts, James, on that?

00:28:52.000 Well, let's understand there is a father who knows best, and that is God.

00:28:57.000 God is not only the creator, God, he's father.

00:29:01.000 And he not only wants the best for us, he can deliver the best for us.

00:29:05.000 He can direct it to us.

00:29:06.000 Jay and I want the best for everybody.

00:29:09.000 And we know the father who knows the best.

00:29:10.000 And we're trying to point everybody to his wisdom and his direction.

00:29:15.000 And the principles that are as unshakable as the essential foundation of a building that's going to stand has to be there.

00:29:23.000 And we are doing our best to get people to look at those foundational principles.

00:29:27.000 And they are pro-family.

00:29:29.000 They are pro-relationship.

00:29:30.000 They are pro-success in the truest and purest sense of the word.

00:29:34.000 And they put us in a place where we can bless others.

00:29:38.000 God is a blesser.

00:29:40.000 God wants the best for us.

00:29:42.000 God knows what's best for us.

00:29:43.000 And he can deliver us to it.

00:29:45.000 He can direct us to it.

00:29:47.000 And he can get us so excited about those blessings that we want to share them with others.

00:29:51.000 That's what the family of the perfect father does.

00:29:53.000 And I'm telling you, this ought to be the most exciting thing.

00:29:56.000 Please think about this.

00:29:57.000 Everyone listening, we know the person who knows best and wants the best for you.

00:30:02.000 The very things that you really desire and some of you are fighting for, you're actually destroying the very possibility of having.

00:30:08.000 So we're doing our best to show people what the perfect father and the one who knows best wants for all of us and the one who can deliver the best to all of us.

00:30:17.000 You know, I'm the product of a rape and the doctor refused to abort me.

00:30:22.000 And this happened 80 years ago.

00:30:23.000 I've been here 80 years.

00:30:25.000 It's a miracle.

00:30:25.000 We had 30 grandchildren in a few months.

00:30:28.000 It's unbelievable what God did with a fatherless kid who met the father and our children and our grandchildren.

00:30:34.000 Now our great-grandchildren are going to know the father.

00:30:36.000 And it's that father who needs a family who looks like him and who will share him with the world.

00:30:41.000 That's what I'm seeking to wake up.

00:30:43.000 And I'm telling you, it will shake the world.

00:30:46.000 And by the way, we can turn this thing around more rapidly than anybody could imagine.

00:30:51.000 The stage is set for the rapid return to sanity and stability and security.

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00:32:04.000 So, James, at every public event I get to, Christians will come up and they'll say, Charlie, I cannot vote for Trump because of his character, because of what he's done, so on and so forth.

00:32:13.000 James, do you hold that view?

00:32:15.000 Well, God always used imperfect people to accomplish his perfect will.

00:32:19.000 You've got to ask, why in the world is Solomon instead of the Bible?

00:32:22.000 How did Simon Peter make it after what he did to give the keynote address at Pentecost?

00:32:27.000 So, God does use imperfect people, but we have to flow perfect truth and wisdom to them.

00:32:32.000 And that's what we here as Christians are here to do.

00:32:35.000 That's what we've been left here to do.

00:32:37.000 It's what we must do.

00:32:38.000 And I'm encouraging everybody that I'm actually suggesting right now that the president and all the people looking for someone to be vice president, which they're doing, they consider a great statesman by the name of Mike Huckerby, a tremendous governor, has a great daughter who's a great governor and probably will make a great leader of the nation someday.

00:32:55.000 But Mike Cuckerby would be a great advisor and a great communicator of great principles to the whole nation, including our president.

00:33:03.000 So I'm just saying, how about look at a statesman that's holding up the truth very effectively?

00:33:08.000 Why not consider that?

00:33:10.000 We can put these things forth, and we really do need the wisdom of God to be in place.

00:33:15.000 And we communicate that wisdom to Donald Trump, even as an imperfect man.

00:33:19.000 Imperfect, all of us are.

00:33:21.000 We need to be listening to the wisdom of God and seeking to know his wisdom and to share it.

00:33:26.000 Amen.

00:33:26.000 So, Jay, let me ask it this way.

00:33:29.000 The significance of the election is incredible and is, for Christians, very consequential.

00:33:36.000 Can you lay out the stakes for a Christian that might think it doesn't matter? 0.55

00:33:41.000 Absolutely.

00:33:42.000 Let me just give you a little obscure inside baseball detail, but the Biden administration just finalized a rule for something called Title IX, which is the law passed in 1972 that basically gives women equal treatment in federally funded institutions. 0.96

00:33:55.000 It's where we got all the women's sports and colleges.

00:33:58.000 The Biden administration changed the definition. 0.97

00:34:00.000 The word sex appears in Title IX, but is never defined.

00:34:03.000 And so, under the Biden administration, a new rule says sex shall include gender identity and sexual orientation.

00:34:09.000 What does that mean?

00:34:10.000 What that means is that henceforth, a man that identifies as a woman can say, Okay, I want to play in women's sports.

00:34:17.000 And the Department of Justice will defend him and his civil rights against the women whose civil rights are being violated because they're having to compete against a male.

00:34:26.000 So, at the federal level, under this administration, we're literally dissolving the category of male and female, man and woman, in federal law.

00:34:35.000 That's essentially what's happening.

00:34:37.000 It's very hard to think of a greater stake than something like that, in which you have a political ideology that seeks not to just destroy the family, not just to destroy life, unborn and pre-born life, but to destroy the very foundation of civilization and the family itself, namely the binary of male and female.

00:34:56.000 That's what we're talking about.

00:34:58.000 And that's why I think, frankly, so many people that are now calling themselves refugees are reconsidering their political orientation and commitments.

00:35:06.000 It's over things like this.

00:35:07.000 It's just much, much more radical than some of the things that we're used to arguing about politically.

00:35:13.000 In closing here, James, what is the final, like, let's just say, send off for the book and for our audience, Fight the Good Fight?

00:35:20.000 I hope you'll read the book and consider all the precedents.

00:35:23.000 But how about taking chapter 17 of John, Jesus' prayer, that we have a personal relationship with this Father I'm talking about, personal relationship, not a religious association or affiliation.

00:35:33.000 Then that we'd be shaped and shaped literally by the word of God.

00:35:38.000 That is the shaping process in our life.

00:35:40.000 It shapes the play.

00:35:42.000 But then Jesus prayed something that we would be supernaturally in unity.

00:35:47.000 This is absolutely irreplaceable.

00:35:50.000 The church needs to come together in total unity, submitted to the one head, each member, each body, each person connected to the other members, each uniquely designed, but fulfill God's will and make a kingdom impact.

00:36:06.000 It has to be in unity.

00:36:08.000 So church people, Christian people come together in supernatural unity around the principles of God, which we do share very clearly related to political action and what matters in the nation in the book, Fight the Good Fight.

00:36:22.000 Thank you both, Jay Richards and Jay Robinson.

00:36:25.000 The book is excellent.

00:36:26.000 It's right here.

00:36:27.000 It is very well endorsed.

00:36:28.000 Lots of praise.

00:36:29.000 Fight the Good Fight: How an Alliance of Faith and Reason Can Win the Culture Award.

00:36:34.000 Thank you both so much.

00:36:35.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:36:36.000 Thank you.

00:36:37.000 God bless you guys.

00:36:38.000 Thank you.

00:36:38.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:39.000 Email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:42.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 10, 2024

Fighting the Good Fight

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