00:00:01.000One of the best received conversations we've ever had at Freedom Night in America, brought to you by TPUSA Faith at Dream City Church in Phoenix, Arizona, is my conversation here with Victor Marks.
00:00:11.000We talk about his incredible testimony, how he goes and fights ISIS with his dog, how he delivers people from the devil, and how he is able to spread the good news of Jesus Christ in a world that is very fractured.
00:00:23.000And he talks about the invisible war, and the response I got from this conversation has been overwhelming.
00:01:20.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:28.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:41.000So I want to start tonight talking about something a little bit more national than we're used to at the beginning of these things.
00:01:46.000Usually we talk about things happening locally, and there have been some phenomenal accomplishments.
00:01:52.000The Arizona legislature has been very, very busy.
00:01:55.000Thankfully, the Arizona legislature has passed a law that immediately got challenged as soon as it was passed, saying that only U.S. citizens should vote in elections in Arizona.
00:02:09.000Also, some phenomenal pro-life pieces of legislation have been passing through the House and the Senate and also signed by the governor, which is huge victories for life.
00:02:18.000But I want to talk about something nationally that involves me personally, involves the church, and it involves cultural issues.
00:02:36.000We were kind of going through what we wanted to express on social media for the week.
00:02:42.000And we were kind of really outraged that a person who was born a biological man was becoming woman of the year and was called by USA Today a woman of the year.
00:02:53.000And so we knew that social media could be very sensitive to this.
00:02:56.000So we were very careful the way we wrote the tweet.
00:02:59.000And we said that this person once had a name of Richard Levine and then changed the name to Rachel Levine, 54 years spent as a man, had a couple children, and then was named a woman of the year.
00:03:10.000And then Biden made them like a health secretary, rear admiral deal.
00:03:31.000So the day before the Babylon B, which should be your trusted news source, by the way, just so you know, more accurate than CNN, fake news you can trust, Babylon B.
00:03:42.000And when you read it, it's just, I'll give you one example of what the Babylon Be would say, which is, CNN praises Taliban for wearing masks during invasion of Kabul.
00:03:51.000Like, that's the type of stuff, just to give you an idea of that sort of stuff that they write.
00:03:57.000The Babylon Bee tweeted something very similar.
00:04:12.000Twitter offered me an opportunity to get my Twitter account back.
00:04:17.000All I had to do, though, was acknowledge I violated their policies and that I engaged in hate speech and press this red button.
00:04:24.000So a lot of people messaged me, just Charlie, do it, get your Twitter account back.
00:04:28.000And I thought to myself, I thought of actually our gatherings here.
00:04:31.000How many times in the last year, and we've been doing this for just about a year, have I told you to hold the line and it's worth the cost?
00:04:37.000And what a hypocrite I would be if all of a sudden I pressed the red button to get my Twitter account back when I told it's going to cost all of us something, right?
00:04:46.000And look, I'm far from taking credit from anything, but what just happened is so incredibly hilarious and awesome and just God had his hand on this whole thing.
00:04:55.000So I get banned, Babylon B gets banned, Tucker Carlson gets banned.
00:04:59.000Now, someone else loves the Babylon B.
00:05:03.000The world's richest man loves reading Babylon B, Elon Musk.
00:05:07.000And so we were kind of part of this whole kind of news story where Elon is like, wait a second, they're banned from Twitter because they made a joke and all this kind of censorship was happening and mass suppression of speech.
00:05:21.000All of this kind of happening simultaneously.
00:05:23.000And I thought it really was a satire article.
00:05:26.000When I woke up Monday morning and all of a sudden Elon Musk becomes Twitter's number one shareholder, I said, this can't be actually happening.
00:05:52.000It's about time that someone started to deploy their assets and their resources that way.
00:05:57.000But so that's happening right now, which is a really positive development in the last couple of weeks.
00:06:02.000And I would just imagine what would have happened if the Babylon Bee and myself, if we would have just deleted the tweet, it probably wouldn't have resulted in Elon coming off the sidelines and doing that.
00:06:11.000However, I want to focus on kind of why the regime was so focused on censoring us and what motivated them to censor us.
00:06:21.000Now, without getting too graphic, some of the worst material you could imagine is on Twitter, graphic pornography.
00:06:27.000Vladimir Putin has a Twitter account and I don't have a Twitter account, right?
00:06:30.000So we're supposed to say that Russia is the worst thing ever, and yet he still has a Twitter account.
00:06:34.000But there's a reason why they censored us.
00:06:37.000It's because we talked about the issue you're not supposed to talk about, which is biological men and biological women.
00:06:44.000Now, mind you, all of this has happened just the last couple weeks.
00:06:47.000Since we have last met, this has now become like the premier issue that we as a civilization are kind of thinking about and contemplating.
00:06:54.000And it happened in a variety of different ways.
00:06:56.000The first, of course, is when women swimming basically got completely abolished and no one wanted to talk about it.
00:07:03.000Many of you know this story where the University of Pennsylvania swimmer, biological man born that way, 462nd best male swimmer, transitions to become a female, NCAA champion.
00:07:16.000Very few people stood up and protested it.
00:07:26.000And then something else really interesting happened, which was another revealing moment.
00:07:31.000Now, mind you, if I were to have you come up to the microphone tonight a month ago and name the 10 most dangerous companies to your children, you would probably say Facebook and you would say Google.
00:07:41.000But there's a company you probably wouldn't list.
00:07:44.000But you're already listing it for me right now.
00:07:47.000This is very important that every Christian takes note of this.
00:08:16.000It was very clear that kindergarten, first, second, and third graders should not be taught about sexual matters, whether it be homosexuality or transgenderism or sex ed, not the place for that.
00:08:28.000And parents should be able to have access to their kids' medical records, such as are they to be administered puberty blockers and all these things.
00:08:34.000It happens in secret in a lot of schools across the country.
00:08:38.000So again, this bill is very vanilla, right?
00:08:42.000This bill is not something controversial.
00:08:44.00010 years ago, this bill would have passed with unanimous consent and no one would have done anything about it.
00:08:49.000But the reaction to it was so undisciplined and erratic and irrational.
00:08:54.000And the reaction came from the most unexpected organization you could imagine.
00:09:00.000So every state has a company or a group of companies that run them.
00:09:04.000So for example, in Texas, I don't want to say run them, but influence politics heavily.
00:09:52.000The bill gets signed into law, and they're unable to actually control their employees and their backlash and all these things that are happening.
00:09:58.000So Disney comes out and they have a Zoom call that happened last week where they said, quote, we have a not-so-secret gay agenda.
00:10:05.000This is now a policy at Disney where 50% of their children's movies by the end of this year will have lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender kissing or romantic scenes in them.
00:10:16.000They go a step further by saying they will no longer refer to people when they come to Disney World as boys or girls, but persons when they come into Disney World.
00:10:24.000Now, here's what animates me, and here's one of your action items: Disney's a $250 billion company.
00:10:31.000I know you're probably doing the math.
00:10:41.000Disney got wealthy and rich, being a safe haven for families.
00:10:46.000Disney got wealthy and rich because you trusted them.
00:10:49.000Because you thought, okay, Disney Plus, there's no way anything bad will happen.
00:10:52.000Go to Disney World, there's no way anything bad will happen.
00:10:55.000Well, now Disney has made a decision to no longer be a family-friendly platform.
00:10:59.000Disney is now a platform for radical sexual ideas, for anti-biblical behavior, and every God-fearing patron in America should divest all of their dollars from the Walt Disney company and no longer support them in any way, shape, or form whatsoever.
00:11:17.000But isn't it interesting as I kind of summarize all this together?
00:11:21.000Banning from Twitter, this bill in Florida, all of this stuff, NCAA championship.
00:11:27.000They are trying to, by fiat, push forward an unpopular, unscientific, anti-reality agenda that men can become pregnant.
00:11:38.000That is the belief at the Walt Disney Company.
00:11:41.000That is the belief at Apple, where they have a pregnant man emoji, where you can actually look on your iPhone and they have a pregnant man.
00:11:48.000You can look at it yourself right now.
00:11:49.000And this is a clarion call moment for the American church.
00:12:28.000That's what's happening right now is men are competing against other women in these sports.
00:12:33.000This issue, I believe, is fundamental.
00:12:35.000And I believe the enemy knows exactly what he is doing with this issue by pushing forward sexual deviancy, moral confusion.
00:12:42.000If you cannot properly understand what a man or a woman is, how can you properly orient yourself in society on the other critical issues?
00:12:51.000And so I'm not going to delete the tweet.
00:12:52.000Maybe I'll get reinstated now that Elon is there, but they banned me for a reason, and they're going to try to silence you for a reason, because they know that if they can pervert this fundamental issue, this building block issue, then all of a sudden they'll be able to have you say, well, maybe there's no God.
00:13:07.000Maybe there's no such thing as right or wrong.
00:13:09.000It starts with something as simple as man and woman, something that we need to question for the last 2,000 years.
00:13:17.000And I believe bold people that are filled with the Spirit are going to be the instrumental reason why this gets back into a place of reality and gets anchored to the truth.
00:13:29.000So we're going to keep on exploring that during question and answer, but I want to bring our guest up.
00:13:35.000Now, I am indebted to Victor Marks because I met Victor at an event last summer, and I was so blown away by his dog, I was like, I want one.
00:15:52.000One of the funniest things about Scout, we were in a big airport and we're walking and a guy and a gal walk up to me and the young gal goes, can I pet your dog?
00:16:06.000I said, well, first, thank you for asking because it says, do not pet.
00:18:56.000No, when I knew, because I was involved in churches as an assistant pastor and then, you know, I tried to be a senior pastor, which was interesting.
00:19:05.000But when I really realized I'm not called, I mean, I'm called by God, but not, I don't fit into this space was I remember there was a guy that came in for counseling and he had cheated on his wife and I met with her and I brought him back together.
00:21:45.000So anyway, I realized, and some of you don't fit into regular ministry.
00:21:50.000And I'm not saying, you know, the proving ground is if you have to hurt somebody's feelings, but the Lord did direct my steps to finally where we started a ministry, not only reaching and rescuing those in harm's way, but also providing an avenue of justice to make those who are wicked, unrepentant evildoers pay a price for what they've done.
00:22:16.000So Victor, talk more about what you do.
00:22:20.000Talk in some detail and some specifics.
00:22:22.000You know, give our audience a little window into that.
00:22:25.000Yeah, we started the ministry about 20 years ago.
00:22:28.000And before that, we were with a little struggling ministry called Focus on the Family, a guy named James Dobson.
00:24:27.000Because if there's a picture taken, you got to have a SEAL in the photo.
00:24:35.000I served in the Marine Corps, so some of you will get that.
00:24:40.000And put the team together and said, okay, this is the mission.
00:24:44.000And then my wife, who's also my girlfriend, because it's safer and cheaper to have her as both tells me, the Lord is putting it on my heart to go with you.
00:27:07.000And you know the thing that shocked us most was the number of single young men that came out who have no role models or leaders as a man because most of their dads have been killed by ISIS.
00:27:24.000And God has blessed and he continues to bless.
00:27:26.000So yeah, we help people who've been affected by trauma, whether in Iraq, Cambodia, south of the border, and even here in the United States.
00:27:38.000And it's played out what we call our faith in action by looking at where darkness is and then running toward the sound of it to be the light.
00:27:49.000And I don't, I promise you, I don't sit up here saying that we're some lighthouse.
00:27:54.000We just go to the places that are so dark that if you're just a spark, everybody looks.
00:28:25.000He retired from the Army out of the special operations community.
00:28:28.000He was a ranger that became a green beret that became a delta operator that led men and teams on over a thousand missions.
00:28:38.000He was awarded five bronze stars and a silver with a V for Valor for the combat.
00:28:43.000And he has helped remove from the face of the earth what we would call the manifestation of evil in people.
00:28:51.000So, Victor, talk about, you said your background prepared you for this.
00:28:56.000Yeah, you know, people ask me, why do you do this?
00:29:00.000And the short answer is: I had a childhood that was representative of suffering.
00:29:07.000And I wrote a little book at an eighth grade level, because eighth grade was the best six years of my life.
00:29:19.000Kickball, watch me go because I'm shaving.
00:29:22.000No, I, you know, I would tell people: folks will admire you for your success, but they'll relate to you because you're pain.
00:29:31.000And pain crosses all it's a human condition.
00:29:37.000So my background is my father didn't claim me as this kid.
00:29:41.000The night my mother got pregnant by him, he actually shoved rosary beads down her throat and put a pistol to her head, threatened to kill her.
00:29:52.000My mother would go on to marry six different men.
00:29:56.000And I went to 14 different schools, lived in 17 different houses.
00:30:00.000My father had a span of time where he was a drug dealer and a pimp, and then got involved in the occult and was a practicing warlock.
00:30:10.000Because of that unstable background, I suffered as a kid.
00:30:13.000I suffered physical, sexual, and of course, emotional abuse.
00:30:26.000I don't get emotional because of the memory.
00:30:30.000I don't get emotional because I thank God he redeemed my life.
00:30:43.000And truly, the scripture is right: what the devil meant for the worst, God can redeem for the best.
00:30:50.000But what I'd say to people who have suffered, the hardest thing for me was to replace the lies I had believed through the suffering, to replace it with the truth of how God actually views me.
00:31:06.000There was one time the abuse came through my stepfather, the main abuse and torture.
00:31:12.000He laid me on some pallets in the middle of the summer and tied me down on my back.
00:31:17.000As a kid, I had a really severe concave chest, and he poured water in it.
00:31:21.000And then he would take a cattle prod and he'd stick the tip of it in the water, not to touch my skin so it wouldn't burn me, but just shocked me.
00:31:35.000Most people think that when you get electrocuted like that, when you release, you take a breath in, but actually, you don't because you see it coming at you.
00:31:45.000I would take a breath in and tighten, and he would hit me with that.
00:31:49.000And the moment it released, air would come out.
00:31:54.000And this man was so evil, he would lean forward and say, Boy, do you know what that sound is?
00:32:01.000It's the sound of hope leaving your body.
00:32:10.000I had to, by the grace of God, learning that my hope is in Jesus, not the torment or the torture, and certainly not what a man who was demonized would tell me.
00:32:24.000And I did hate that man more than anybody else in my life.
00:32:30.000And I had to get to get help for my brain housing group where I 123 visits in nine months to a trauma specialist.
00:34:03.000The second thing is probably pastors who don't have a backbone.
00:34:09.000And I say that in the most sincere way, because some of them are just jackwagons that shouldn't even be in ministry.
00:34:17.000He's like, can you get a different career path, son?
00:34:22.000And I'll tell you, I'm shocked by the need for people in America who need to be trained and armed and equipped to fight the demonic, but they can't get a pastor who will give them the goods and speak the truth.
00:34:46.000So, I mean, I think most of it boils down to fear and truly lack of faith.
00:34:52.000They don't understand their authority.
00:34:56.000And my wife and I, my wife, trust me, she's part Spartan woman.
00:35:04.000I mean, there's been times where I had to do a mission.
00:35:06.000I'm like, hey, you know, this one is a tough one.
00:35:10.000You know, are you okay with case I don't come back?
00:35:14.000And I have heard from her mouth to my ears, I'd rather be a widow than married to a coward.
00:35:32.000And I knew when we were dating, she was that type of woman because there was a guy named Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys, a singer.
00:35:40.000And I had trained him in some combative stuff, and he wanted me to work for him.
00:35:44.000And I'll never forget everybody saying, Oh, this is a great opportunity.
00:35:49.000This young lady says, Did God tell you to do it?
00:35:53.000I was like, Well, you ain't got to be so technical.
00:35:57.000I didn't take the job, and I ended up marrying her, so I got the better deal surfing USA.
00:36:05.000The spiritual warfare, I realized how real it was as a young kid.
00:36:12.000And I think God prepared me to be able to deal wholesale with so much demonic activity as an adult, and it just didn't bother me.
00:36:22.000And it certainly didn't bother my wife.
00:36:24.000We have a friend in India, we helped start an orphanage, and I never forget he was helping a little kid who had just become an orphan, both parents dead.
00:36:35.000And he said something to him, and the kid was crying.
00:36:40.000He held him, he was really patting him on his back hard.
00:38:20.000And I trust me, I'm the reluctant evangelist and certainly the reluctant praying for people with demons.
00:38:29.000But we just got back from a deal, and I'm on the phone, it's on speaker, and it's a pastor going, hey, we really need you to come to the church.
00:40:04.000And to see people get free to be able to do and have the full capacity what God's called them to do, including pray for non-believers, where you pray for a non-believer to be set free and they get set free.
00:40:16.000I remember one time this guy gets free and he's like, oh, wow, that's really real.
00:42:28.000Do you feel in the last couple of years that there is more of the demonic in this country than the country you grew up in, or especially politically and socially or morally?
00:42:37.000Or do you just think that we're talking about it more?
00:42:39.000Or do you think, no, it's always been the same and there aren't times where it's more emphasized or not?
00:42:44.000Well, no, I think Christians in America have done a really good PR job for the devil.
00:42:51.000Those demons are over there, not here.
00:42:56.000And yet, if you look at the fruit of people's lives, divorces, addiction, the craziness of it all, you go, yeah, if they live over there, they're vacationing over here.
00:43:10.000And I think the demonic has always been here, but we're seeing the manifestation of it more in greater ways in the political realm, in entertainment.
00:43:22.000It's just, I mean, those of you who have been a Christian, remember when it was a really big thing, backward masking?
00:43:29.000Does anybody, where you would play a record backwards and hear a message from the devil?
00:43:46.000So I'll tell you, it's a time, it's a great time in history that God has placed us all here to stand up and move the needle for the kingdom to advance forward.
00:44:02.000This ties into kind of our theme here: Jeremiah 29, 7.
00:44:05.000Demand the welfare of the city of which you are in because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.
00:44:09.000If we are looking at the manifestation of the invisible in the visible, should we still contest in the visible against these demonic forces, against the tactics of the enemy?
00:44:20.000I'd say it's both and if we don't have faith in action, do we really have faith?
00:44:27.000And I think I could take any one of y'all on a mission with us.
00:44:35.000And a girl that we just had in our safe house in Iraq was abducted at 11 years old by ISIS and has been with them seven years as a victim of sex trafficking and the worst abuse.
00:44:52.000Let me tell you, as a Christian, if we could help her, should we?
00:46:19.000And I went to his headquarters for the first time today, and I'm like, I want to just buy a little bus and be a tour guide and start bringing people in there.
00:46:27.000It's unreal if you've never seen what God is doing.
00:46:30.000And that's what we have to be part of.
00:46:51.000And also, if you've never asked a question before at one of these events, you guys can cut in line because we have some people that have questions month after month.
00:46:59.000So if you've never asked a question before, and as they line up, Victor, can you just tell how people can support you and get behind you, your website, and all that sort of stuff?
00:49:41.000Look, there's, if you listen to my podcast or my radio show, there's this kind of tension where I just kind of have to stop and there's this kind of like six seconds of silence.
00:49:50.000And I just kind of look around and then I just kind of move on from the topic because I might be talking.
00:50:12.000But I'm just talking about when I see injustice and people get away with it, right?
00:50:16.000When I see all of a sudden, you know, there is, whether it be Dinesh D'Souza's upcoming movie, with you should all see, by the way, 2000 Mules, which is just going to be eye-opening.
00:50:26.000And I see people that are trafficking ballots in these states and they act as if they can get away with it.
00:53:22.000The other one from my past, my childhood, when I tell people the best weapon I've ever used in my life is forgiveness.
00:53:32.000Forgiveness is the, and this is the story I'll tell you guys.
00:53:38.000My stepfather who abused me horribly when I was actually working for Focus on the Family, Dr. Dobson, I was traveling and speaking on his behalf, and I went through a little town, and it was a town where I had suffered abuse by his hand.
00:53:53.000And that man, my stepfather, had been arrested, put in prison, and he got out.
00:58:55.000I know that sounds really weird for me to say that, but that is completely philosophically consistent with their position.
00:59:02.000And I want to say, look, I'm glad you're pointing it out.
00:59:04.000Every decent person in California, and there's a lot of decent people left in California.
00:59:09.000There's a lot of great pastors in California, Rob McCoy and Jack Hibbs, just to name a few, and we've heard them talk here, are going to be speaking out against this.
00:59:17.000I pray that this bill will be defeated.
00:59:21.000I can't even imagine that every left-winger will be in support of this, but this is, it's really, I'll say one final thing.
00:59:29.000We always were talking about how awful post, like late-term abortion is.
00:59:34.000Now they're talking about post-birth abortion.
00:59:37.000And when the moral compass starts to slide, who's to say that's wrong?
00:59:43.000It's just your opinion that it's wrong.
00:59:45.000If there is no God, right and wrong is merely an opinion.
00:59:49.000And it's playing right now in California abortion law.
00:59:55.000What you're talking about is the manifestation of evil right before us.
01:00:02.000It's so important for people to remember Satan loves to kill children.
01:02:59.000So my question Is related to the fact that right now it feels as though conservatives and people who are pro-liberty and just pro-life in general, we're being dictated to the terms by those in power and by the left.
01:03:17.000So, and they're defining the identities.
01:03:20.000So, my question is: what does the word conservatism mean?
01:03:25.000And is it more than just a political ideology, or is it something else?
01:03:32.000Yeah, so look, the best way I can describe conservative that I think is without getting too deep into it is a defense of the natural law, a moral right to self-government, the belief that rights come from God, not from government.
01:03:47.000And also, conservatives believe that human beings are naturally flawed.
01:03:52.000And if you believe human beings are naturally flawed, then you're definitely going to want to make sure that when you have government, human beings don't have all the power in one place, that there's a check and balance, that there is a separation of powers, if you will.
01:04:05.000Conservatives also believe in an unchanging principles of human nature.
01:04:11.000This is a very important thing, where we do not believe that human nature changes as time goes on.
01:04:16.000So, this is why the Constitution is the greatest political document ever written and is a conservative document in nature, in essence, because in Federalist 51, James Madison writes, he's explaining the Constitution.
01:04:29.000He says, an observation of human nature will tell you that if all men were angels, no government would be necessary.
01:04:37.000And if angels were to govern men, then this Constitution would not be necessary.
01:04:41.000What he's saying is that we know human beings are flawed.
01:04:44.000So we as conservatives recognize that even though the Constitution was written in the late 1787 ratified in 1791, 1787 ratified 1791 Bill of Rights, that we recognize that just because times change, human beings do not.
01:05:04.000Conservatives believe that there are some things that should not change.
01:05:08.000Hence the word conserve, that some things must stay the same.
01:06:16.000The answer actually is the worst thing that someone can do is to mandate the murder upon everybody.
01:06:23.000Not just doing it individually, but do it through government or through the state.
01:06:26.000So you must make sure that does not happen.
01:06:28.000So we conservatives come from a position that men have a moral right to be free, and we want to defend and preserve that, and that government gets in the way of that, or power centers get in the way of our inevitable human flourishing or prosperity.
01:06:56.000And recently we stopped attending it because they do preaching, sort of, which they talk about race in it.
01:07:02.000The main senior pastor, he said that there's too many white people attending our church.
01:07:08.000And my mother, she had a conversation with him, but he still kind of does the same things.
01:07:14.000But our youth pastor, he has also said the same things, talking about, oh, I met this great couple of a black man and a Hispanic mother, and their child was just so beautiful.
01:07:25.000And what I want to do is have a conversation with that youth pastor.
01:07:29.000I wanted to ask you, like, what things should I say to them to try to prove that point that it's not right?
01:07:34.000Yeah, look, I hate talking about race.
01:08:23.000Now, that's not to say that you can't see God or you can't hear from God, but the things we can't sense immediately to our five senses are way more important than the things we can sense.
01:08:32.000It's the flesh versus the invisible war.
01:08:35.000And then the second thing you'd say, okay, what do you take a higher preference on?
01:08:39.000Things you can change or things you cannot change?
01:08:42.000And if he was, of course, a Christian, you should say the things you can change, or else we wouldn't believe in redemptive Christianity, right?
01:08:49.000We'd believe you become a Christian through bloodbright.
01:08:52.000And so those are the only two questions that you should ask.
01:08:54.000And if he says, okay, well, yeah, I believe in the invisible more than the visible.
01:08:58.000And I believe that things you can change versus things you can't change.
01:09:01.000You'd say, then how do you care about race so much?
01:09:05.000Because you're focusing on things that are visible and something that can't change.
01:09:09.000And therefore, you're focusing on things that are unbiblical and against Christianity.
01:09:18.000So that's how I would answer that question.
01:09:41.000Let God direct you to a balanced, loving pastor who doesn't have all these crazy biases and can feed the sheep and equip them for the work of the ministry.
01:10:09.000After the fifth or sixth time they have to confront a family that will do that, that makes a big difference.
01:10:13.000And in fact, nine months, 18 months, 24 months later, they might all of a sudden remember one sentence that was said in that conversation that could change their life.
01:10:22.000Now, I travel to churches across the country.
01:10:25.000And I was just recently as a church and they were never talking about these issues.
01:10:29.000But one family in the midst of all the stuff that was happening in the summer, to give you an idea, they were recommending white fragility by Robin D'Angelo and the Ibram X. Kendi and one family who the pastor trusted says, I need to see you.
01:11:21.000And the subject of demonic things, I just think it would be so wonderful if us as Christians were trained in that and could decipher it and understand it.
01:11:33.000I know that we have the authority to rebuke them and all that, but is there a book or a training program that we could teach ourselves?
01:12:46.000And before we touched down, the guy was set free.
01:12:48.000And when he stepped up on the plane, he's like, I'm free.
01:12:52.000I don't know what just happened, but I'm really free.
01:12:55.000And so to your point, we do have an approach that if God wills it, we're happy to come back to this area and meet with a group of people and teach the approach.
01:13:10.000It's very simple, hence the Cajun approach.
01:13:17.000And yet we've seen literally thousands of people set free.
01:13:22.000And a lot of demons got their feelings hurt.
01:13:28.000And again, it boils down to the authority, but there is a specific approach that we use that I think for the times that we're in.
01:15:30.000I don't think I would have the capacity to travel around the world or hunt bad people here who hurt children if I personally didn't know what it's like to be hurt.
01:15:42.000And I say, God, thank you that you didn't cause this, but you give people the free will to do right or wrong.
01:16:06.000I grew up in an abusive home and when I left home, God used your story to show me, and your marriage to show me that there was hope and I could have a future that was different from what I grew up.
01:16:20.000People say that God is our father, but I have a really hard time and a huge conflict between Paul talks about living with content and mashing that together with desire for parents.
01:16:35.000I tell you, I can relate to that question really good.
01:16:40.000When people were trying to tell me that God wants to be my father, it was offensive to me.
01:16:48.000I said, the only examples I've had of fathers, I don't want anything to do with him.
01:16:58.000I had to relearn and retrain my brain of who is God.
01:21:04.000This is more so for Charlie, but I'd also like your opinion on this as well, Victor.
01:21:09.000I've found myself for the past three and a half years stuck in a place very, very left-leaning, very demonic, and the way that they support abortion and the LGBT and all that.
01:21:24.000And I was wondering how you can balance the cognitive dissonance of wanting to help people and remain around people that you've grown close to, but also not harm them when you try and not agree with what they agree with.
01:21:47.000Because up till this point, all I've done is suppress it and not talk about it, despite the left's claim of being open and willing to hear ideas out.
01:21:58.000If you had any advice for anyone in a similar situation.
01:22:05.000So, you're asking, how do you navigate kind of being around people that will disagree with you or have different views in the demonic and these left-wing views?
01:22:15.000Down to the point of getting practically violent in the way that they are abhor what you say.
01:22:22.000Look, this is actually piggybacks on something I wanted to say earlier, which is you got to know your boundaries, right?
01:22:29.000And you'll be able to grow in your faith and your strength be able to deal with some of these dark forces.
01:22:35.000But, you know, being around some of the real dark stuff right out of the gate as a Christian, you know, Victor will tell you, sometimes you got to build up a tolerance and an ability to get into it.
01:22:45.000Now, there's three things that happen in spiritual warfare that are important to remember.
01:22:49.000Someone might be experiencing spiritual torment right now.
01:23:10.000I know Victor will agree with all three of those, and he could add on another 30 probably.
01:23:14.000But as far as the friends in your friend group, you have to do your best to try to be salt and light.
01:23:19.000Salt and light are two things that change the condition of the things that they go into.
01:23:24.000But also, if you find yourself becoming less healthy and less happy because you're around people that are constantly trying to bring you down or they're just being so unfair, you might have to flee.
01:23:41.000There's people that I've had to just kind of say, I'm not going to talk to this person, right?
01:23:44.000It's nothing but negativity and nothing but I'm going to pray for them.
01:23:47.000I'll be there for them if there's a crisis.
01:23:49.000But especially, you know, you have to understand that if you're a Christian, Satan would love nothing more than try to take you off the chessboard, right?
01:23:58.000And so if you're spending time around people that are nothing but negative and nothing but dark, then you have to consider if that's actually helping you in your faith walk.
01:25:12.000And my dog almost just wanted to, yeah.
01:25:19.000And I'm like, whoa, I called the dog off, and they grab him, they tie him up, and I'm just thinking, gosh, Lord, that was, that was so close.