The Charlie Kirk Show - Finding the Will to Fight and WIN with Steve Deace

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00:02:44.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:44.000 Hey, everybody.

00:02:47.000 With us today is Steve Dace, author of Faucian Bargain, a great book that you should check out.

00:02:53.000 And I have a lot I want to pick his brain on.

00:02:55.000 But Steve, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:58.000 It's a pleasure to be back with you, Charlie.

00:03:00.000 And again, congrats on your success, brother.

00:03:02.000 Thank you.

00:03:02.000 Happy for you.

00:03:03.000 Thank you very much.

00:03:04.000 And you have a new chapter to your Faucian book.

00:03:07.000 Some would call it a booster shot.

00:03:09.000 Is that right?

00:03:10.000 Yes, it's called Faucian Booster.

00:03:13.000 And it just came out yesterday, in fact.

00:03:17.000 And the goal is to help and equip people to push back on vaccine mandates.

00:03:23.000 We go into a lot of data.

00:03:25.000 We look at this strictly from a medical ethics and a scientific ethical perspective because we don't frankly think that the people making these decisions will be moved by constitutionality at all.

00:03:36.000 They view the Constitution as something to erase, run over, undo.

00:03:40.000 So we try to appeal to something more Hippocratic, more directly Judeo-Christian.

00:03:44.000 We appeal to the Nuremberg Code, which came out after World War II in response to using humans as test subjects to try to reset what medical and scientific and experimental ethics are supposed to look like.

00:03:56.000 And a lot of the data that we use, Charlie, I thought it was funny.

00:03:59.000 I had some spirit of the age lefties come at me on Twitter this morning, wondering if I had quoted a bunch of people that had just been banned on YouTube.

00:04:07.000 Not that that means anything anymore, but a lot of these were names I'd never even heard of.

00:04:11.000 No, I didn't quote any of them.

00:04:13.000 I actually use almost exclusively CDC and WHO data in this chapter.

00:04:18.000 So it's available right now for digital download.

00:04:20.000 It's only a couple of bucks.

00:04:22.000 I'm going to make like 40 cents a copy.

00:04:24.000 This is really just about getting this information to people, as many as we can to push back on these vaccine mandates.

00:04:30.000 So talk about the Nuremberg aspect of that, because that's something that people have been messaging me.

00:04:34.000 And it's widely debunked that this is against the Nuremberg Code.

00:04:38.000 Is it?

00:04:40.000 No, it's not, actually.

00:04:42.000 So for people that don't know, you know, Nuremberg, of course, were the trials that were held after World War II.

00:04:47.000 But to kind of set that scene, Charlie, I think a lot of people don't realize that many of the allies had no idea the extent of the ghoulie or the ghoulish ghastliness going on within Germany.

00:05:00.000 Before World War I, Charlie, Germany was the most technologically advanced country on the earth.

00:05:05.000 Yes.

00:05:06.000 And by the time we get to the end of World War II, they basically are a militaristic authoritarian island of Dr. Moreau.

00:05:12.000 And so there were a lot of rumors.

00:05:14.000 Obviously, they had smuggled Jews out of Israel.

00:05:16.000 I'm sorry, out of Nazi Germany.

00:05:19.000 So there were rumors about what was going on, but the level and extent of the experimentations, the sterilizations, the executions, the purgings, they really didn't know until after the war.

00:05:30.000 So they chose Nuremberg, which was the site of many of Hitler's most notorious propaganda rallies.

00:05:35.000 They specifically chose it to symbolize that this was the end of this.

00:05:40.000 We would never open Pandora's box again.

00:05:42.000 We would never, ever do this again.

00:05:44.000 They put out a series of 10 principles about how to reset scientific advancement back to sort of its Hippocratic Judeo-Christian roots.

00:05:52.000 And we only look at the very first one, which is kind of the prime directive.

00:05:56.000 And we go through it line by line and we point out why COVID vaccine mandates violate the very first principle, every word of it of the Nuremberg Code.

00:06:05.000 Well, let's go into some detail if you can without, you know, everyone go buy the book first, Fauci and Bargain.

00:06:10.000 Talk about that a little bit as to use a Star Trek, I guess, example of the prime directive of non-interference of intergalactic civilization.

00:06:10.000 Sure.

00:06:17.000 What is the prime directive of the Nuremberg Codes?

00:06:20.000 So let me go find the exact wording here.

00:06:23.000 I've got it in front of me in my notes.

00:06:25.000 The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.

00:06:28.000 This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent, should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion, and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision.

00:06:51.000 That's the very first principle.

00:06:53.000 And we go through this line by line and show how this violates it, especially if you get to the very last one.

00:06:59.000 The sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved.

00:07:03.000 And we point out things I don't think a lot of Americans know.

00:07:06.000 I don't think a lot of Americans even know what MRNA stands for, that it stands for messenger RNA.

00:07:12.000 I don't think a lot of Americans know that really major pharmaceutical companies did not begin investing heavily in this technology until 2008.

00:07:21.000 I don't think they realized that it's actually been around since the late 1970s.

00:07:25.000 No one, though, could figure out how to harness it.

00:07:27.000 We haven't mass injected it into humans ever until now.

00:07:31.000 I don't think a lot of people know that Moderna, when you look at efficacy numbers, it's actually the most effective of the vaccine in producing vaccines and producing antibodies.

00:07:39.000 But Moderna had tried to bring nine, nine, let me repeat that, nine, nine previous products to market before COVID, including just weeks before COVID ended up closing the world down.

00:07:53.000 And they were 0 for 9 in making those products successful enough to come to market.

00:07:58.000 In fact, only one of them even got so far as mass human trial.

00:08:01.000 I don't think a lot of people know that Merck, maybe the largest pharmaceutical country or company in the country, discontinued its Operation Warp Speed quest for a COVID vaccine because they were not satisfied with the efficacy numbers compared to side effects that they were seeing in human trials.

00:08:18.000 This is a lot of information that I think a lot of people don't know.

00:08:22.000 And I can guarantee you, Charlie, that when a lot of people got jabbed in January and February and March thinking, this is our deliverance.

00:08:28.000 Let's do this and get beyond this.

00:08:30.000 They probably didn't know that they were going to be actually now test subjects in an ongoing experiment of continued injection and reinjection.

00:08:38.000 Charlie, if people with the profiles you and I have, if we had gone online on Twitter or Facebook in January, February, and March and said, you know, we really don't believe that these vaccines are going to have long-lasting efficacy.

00:08:51.000 You're looking at a third booster by the end of the year at the absolute latest.

00:08:55.000 And they certainly aren't going to work to stop mass transmission of the virus.

00:08:59.000 Charlie, you and I would have been banned off every major platform in this country if we had said that.

00:09:03.000 And yet, when you look at the data and you look at what's going on, that is exactly where we are at in real time.

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00:09:27.000 And then all of a sudden, we got this call from Relief Factor.

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00:09:32.000 Producer Andrew got it.

00:09:34.000 He took it, got a little bit better, took some more, got a little bit better.

00:09:37.000 Next thing you know, he's doing the Falseberry flop like you wouldn't believe.

00:09:40.000 In fact, he might be training for an Ironman.

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00:10:16.000 And a lot of, I want to ask you about this because you do a lot on the right.

00:10:16.000 Yeah.

00:10:20.000 Why are so many conservatives peddling the vaccine?

00:10:23.000 Like people that I used to trust and listen to, I'm not going to say any names, you know who I'm talking about.

00:10:27.000 These people say they all care about facts, and yet it just is really bizarre to me.

00:10:33.000 Is it wishful thinking?

00:10:34.000 Is it not looking at the data?

00:10:35.000 Are they afraid of being called names?

00:10:37.000 It's been really good.

00:10:39.000 It's a combination of factors.

00:10:40.000 One is there is an element of people in our business whose monetization model derives largely from a platform like a Facebook.

00:10:51.000 And so what you'll find if you go and look at their commentary on things that you don't get pinged on Facebook for, I mean, they go to the wall, the mattresses on those things.

00:11:00.000 On the things that you would get pinged on Facebook for, like say election integrity or this conversation, they have nothing to say.

00:11:06.000 I think that's part of it.

00:11:08.000 I think also there is an element within our movement, and I say this as someone that probably counted himself amongst this group until a few years ago, when I could no longer deny the ferocity of just the pagan zealotry that we are up against.

00:11:25.000 But there is still an element of our movement that is concerned about what our base will do if they don't kind of rein them in.

00:11:33.000 That we'll all be certified nuts, crazy, banned everywhere, that we'll be disinvited from polite society.

00:11:40.000 So somebody, some really smart people have got to kind of run the Overton window on the right.

00:11:46.000 I think that's part of it.

00:11:48.000 I think it's also that they think we're still doing conventional science here and that there are, you know, there were some very prevalent people in our industry that were promoting Scott Gottlieb last year as a legitimate spokesperson.

00:12:01.000 Okay.

00:12:02.000 And I think it comes down to, you know what, we can still all work together and live together here if we have, you know, people that are objective.

00:12:09.000 These people don't exist any longer.

00:12:11.000 No one is objective any longer.

00:12:12.000 You're in a culture that's in a cold civil war.

00:12:15.000 And I'm sorry, it sucks.

00:12:16.000 I'm not, you know, a father of three kids.

00:12:18.000 I'm not really happy about what that means for the future, but I can't lie to myself about that any longer either.

00:12:24.000 And then I just think that there are people that just are frauds.

00:12:27.000 Now, who fits into which of those camps and how many?

00:12:30.000 I think it's a, you know, it's a variation on a theme and you'd probably have to do it on a case-by-case basis.

00:12:35.000 No, that's very helpful.

00:12:36.000 And I just have, it's been really puzzling to me because I've really never cared about the vaccine issue until it started caring about me.

00:12:44.000 And I publicly declared I wasn't getting the vaccine and all of a sudden I became some sort of villain.

00:12:50.000 And I mean, I used to, people used to come up to me at these events with these massive packets of how vaccines gave their kids autism.

00:12:56.000 And I never dismissed it.

00:12:58.000 And I never took it seriously.

00:12:59.000 I was like, yeah, okay, sure, whatever.

00:13:00.000 You know what I mean?

00:13:01.000 Like, that's your passion in life.

00:13:03.000 And I'm not even getting into that aspect of this, right?

00:13:06.000 But all of a sudden, I now have to go take this vaccine despite having natural immunity and being 27 years old and not at all ever having a concern of dying from this virus.

00:13:19.000 And the fact that I'm now advocating for medical freedom, it's somehow controversial.

00:13:24.000 So we launched this no-forced vacc thing back in July.

00:13:27.000 And Steve, it was crickets on the right in certain the institutional think tanks because either they take money from pharmaceutical companies or they're corrupted by them.

00:13:36.000 And I just want to applaud you, Steve.

00:13:38.000 I mean, you've taken a position against the industrial, the medical industrial regime and Fauci and all these different kind of interests.

00:13:47.000 And so talk about how powerful this really is because what you're talking about here is not just the federal government, CDC, NIH, but you're also saying, wait a second, like we as conservatives, we don't have to go put on like a bunch of Pfizer jerseys and act like these people are on our team.

00:14:03.000 Right.

00:14:04.000 What I think, you know, there was a notion until recently that America was overdue for a political realignment, that they typically happen on a generational basis.

00:14:13.000 And the last one we had is, I think, probably before you were born and when I was just a little kid, and it was spurred on by Roe v. Wade.

00:14:20.000 And this is what made Catholics consider voting Republican for the first time ever.

00:14:24.000 Evangelicals became a mobilized political force for the first time ever.

00:14:28.000 They became, and these two groups that spent 500 years not talking to each other post-Reformation suddenly aligned in what became the religious right.

00:14:36.000 And I think people have been like, you know, we're way overdue for a new political realignment.

00:14:39.000 We did have it, Charlie.

00:14:40.000 It happened in corporate America.

00:14:43.000 In the 90s, we could have, our social conservative groups could have gone to a company like Target, for example, and gotten them to donate money to put a marriage amendment on the ballot in the state of Minnesota.

00:14:52.000 Totally.

00:14:53.000 Then we got into the 2000s and companies like Target then became neutral.

00:14:56.000 They didn't want to get involved at all.

00:14:58.000 And now that we're into the 2010s, they're actually now aligned against us.

00:15:02.000 It is very, very rare.

00:15:04.000 The Lee Iacoka kind of American CEO is largely gone.

00:15:08.000 Many of these are men and women that come from the same indoctrination centers as the people you're watching on fake cable news and academia.

00:15:16.000 And so, you know, Wells Fargo and companies like this, they're not getting shaken down by Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton anymore.

00:15:24.000 Let me just give you some money to go away and leave me alone.

00:15:26.000 They're true believers.

00:15:28.000 They're funding this evangelistically.

00:15:30.000 And I think what a massive element within the right is having a hard time with is coming to grips with the fact that corporate America is an opponent by and large, with few exceptions.

00:15:41.000 And they don't want to admit this.

00:15:42.000 And so they say stupid things like, well, you know, I think a private business can do whatever they want.

00:15:46.000 I don't know.

00:15:47.000 Marijuana's legal.

00:15:48.000 Can a private business tell me I've got to be stoned?

00:15:50.000 I got to go puff, puff, pass in order to come in and shop at Walmart.

00:15:53.000 Can they do that to me?

00:15:54.000 Can they make their, can they tell their employees they have to be stoned?

00:15:57.000 Alcohol is legal everywhere.

00:15:58.000 Can they tell their employees that are alcoholics, hey, you've got to have a couple of beers before you can come in here and work here today?

00:16:04.000 Of course they can't do things like that.

00:16:06.000 Of course, businesses can't do whatever they want.

00:16:08.000 But this is, but this is a struggle of, and this is happening not just for a long time, I think we fantasized that it was only the left that didn't want to accept the truth, even if it was true, because it was inconvenient to their narrative.

00:16:20.000 More and more in recent years, you have seen this is occurring on the right.

00:16:23.000 We don't want, and this is just kind of systemic.

00:16:25.000 We're in a post-truth era in America.

00:16:27.000 People don't want to accept things are true unless it affirms their narrative or it's convenient for them to do so.

00:16:33.000 Well, I think that's totally right.

00:16:35.000 And there's no escaping that.

00:16:37.000 It's just a question of who's going to win.

00:16:39.000 And we're going to get to one of the things I really want to talk to you about, where you really piqued my curiosity last time and I wrote it down and I've mentioned a lot, which is we're a nation of political will, not of laws.

00:16:48.000 We're going to get to that in a second because that really got me interested.

00:16:51.000 I want to ask you this question, though, which is, do you think that the cult of science, as Dwight D. Eisenhower would say, there's this great quote that we need to remember?

00:17:00.000 I love Eisenhower, even though some people on the right don't, which I find to be really weird.

00:17:04.000 This deepening dependence on the scientific technological elite is an inescapable condition, one that knows no party or ideology.

00:17:12.000 He said that right before the military-industrial complex warning, people don't remember that.

00:17:18.000 Talk about how if you make science absent morality the absolute goal, this kind of cult of German historicism, that that will lead to the ultimate abuse of power that we know on the planet, that science as a tool and used morally can be very helpful.

00:17:40.000 Germ theory, you know, very basic things.

00:17:43.000 Science as an end?

00:17:44.000 What does that look like?

00:17:46.000 It looks like a dystopia.

00:17:48.000 It looks like the conversations we're having now.

00:17:50.000 It looks like if Nietzsche wrote an end times novel, that's what it looks like.

00:17:56.000 And, you know, what's fascinating about all of this is if you look at a lot of the pioneers of science historically, on my program, I like to tell my audience there's science and then there's the science, or as the great prophet Thomas Dolby once said, science.

00:18:12.000 All right.

00:18:13.000 And the latter two are frankly just things that are monetizable for the acquisition of political power and the furthering of political narratives.

00:18:22.000 The first one is a process and an objective search for truth and human advancement.

00:18:27.000 It's just we rarely do that first one anymore.

00:18:30.000 But if you go look at a lot of the Western pioneers of science, you're going to find a lot of them were driven by their own Christian faith or were driven to prove Christian curiosities about the origins of the earth.

00:18:41.000 No, we're talking about messenger RNA vaccines right now.

00:18:44.000 So we're talking about genetics.

00:18:44.000 All right.

00:18:46.000 The founder of modern genetics, for example, was an Augustinian Catholic monk named Gregor Mendel.

00:18:52.000 He's the founder from the 19th century.

00:18:54.000 He's the founder of what we now call genetics.

00:18:57.000 And a lot of the conversations we're having right now about About using or tricking or manipulating whatever word you want to use, human RNA, uh, to work similar with a vaccine technology to what traditional vaccines that take much longer to produce how they work.

00:19:12.000 All these conversations come back to the fact that of a science, a branch of science founded by a religious, a Catholic religious monk.

00:19:20.000 And now we live in an era where the science predominantly exists in order to prove to humanity that we can be like God, that we don't need a God, we don't need any guidance.

00:19:31.000 We're our own little demigods, small g.

00:19:34.000 And so, if you want to know what that looks like, if you if you want to know what it looks like when a culture has been given over, when you see signs of the death of the West and you see signs that 70% of American men between the ages of 20 and 34 are unmarried with no children, okay, that's death of the West stuff.

00:19:51.000 How did we get here?

00:19:53.000 It's because Nietzsche was more was not just a philosopher, he was a prophet.

00:19:58.000 God is dead, and we have killed him.

00:20:01.000 Yeah, and he wasn't celebrating it or proclaiming it.

00:20:03.000 No, he was not.

00:20:04.000 He was lamenting that.

00:20:05.000 That's the irony of it.

00:20:06.000 Yes.

00:20:06.000 And in Beyond Good and Evil, he talked very clearly that if the West does not find its own values, you're going to have to create new ones.

00:20:14.000 And Nietzsche is very misunderstood by most people.

00:20:18.000 Can I address what you just said there?

00:20:19.000 Because I think this is a key point that you just raised.

00:20:21.000 Of course, sure.

00:20:22.000 I love it.

00:20:22.000 I think we have been, we have been rightly, you know, like on my network, I work with Glenn Beck, for example, and he has been one of the forerunners in going off about postmodernism.

00:20:32.000 I think a lot of Americans probably first heard that term from somebody like him.

00:20:35.000 But I think that there's this idea, though, that postmodernism was meant in and of itself to be a replacement for the old Judeo-Christian plumb line that found in America.

00:20:45.000 And no, it was not.

00:20:47.000 See, this is Animal Farm.

00:20:49.000 All right.

00:20:49.000 And they looked from man to pig and pig to man and back to pig again, and they couldn't tell the difference.

00:20:53.000 Four legs good, two legs bad becomes four legs are good, but two legs are even better.

00:20:58.000 See, when they unleashed this plague called postmodernism, they never intended the spirit of the age did not intend for us to live in a truthless society.

00:21:07.000 It did not intend for us to ultimately end up in a secular, religionless society or a valueless society.

00:21:14.000 That was not the point.

00:21:15.000 It was released in order to destabilize our worldviews, defining those terms.

00:21:22.000 And once that was done, and once they sucked people into this idea that, yes, by all means, you can live whatever you want, however you want, no consequences at all.

00:21:31.000 Once that is done and the advantages gain, then you get to the next phase of the operation we're in now, which is meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

00:21:40.000 This was done with the intent of introducing not a religionless society, but a different religion, not a valueless society, but different values, not a truthless society, but a different truth.

00:21:53.000 Did you ever read the fine print that appears when you start browsing in incognito mode?

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00:23:19.000 And this is where people get Nietzsche wrong, myself included a couple of years ago until I actually really started to read it.

00:23:24.000 And you could derive it from what Nietzsche. wrote, obviously, and his own personal opinion was, okay, the West is going to die.

00:23:34.000 We see it falling apart.

00:23:37.000 Really, all we have is the will.

00:23:39.000 And we can build ourselves as human beings to be the overman or the ubermensch, whatever you want to call it.

00:23:44.000 And this idea of the will is very empowering to people that reject religion.

00:23:50.000 And I don't think Nietzsche would have been, I think he would have been horrified to realize that the Nazis embraced it and the Soviet Union embraced it separately in their own way.

00:24:00.000 What was the Nazis' most famous propaganda speech?

00:24:02.000 Triumph of the will.

00:24:03.000 Triumph of the will.

00:24:04.000 I mean, and it was the most prop famous speech where the most famous propaganda of the Soviet Union was the creating of the overman.

00:24:04.000 Yes.

00:24:13.000 It was there.

00:24:14.000 It was the Soviet man, the complete man who doesn't want private property, only cares about the state.

00:24:20.000 Anyway, so, but this idea of the crisis of the West has been percolating for quite some time.

00:24:27.000 Most conservatives have no idea really of this kind of game that's being played around them.

00:24:32.000 But then you mix all this kind of together.

00:24:34.000 I can't really remember how we got on a Nietzsche, but it's really interesting.

00:24:38.000 Too many conservatives either don't know him or they dismiss him, is that we as conservatives have to realize that this is a values debate, or it used to be, but now it's a debate of the will.

00:24:49.000 This is a perfect segue, right?

00:24:50.000 So this is actually seamless.

00:24:52.000 So you said on the show last time, and you were totally right, that we're no longer a nation of laws, we're a nation of political will.

00:24:58.000 So Nietzsche talked about that, explain that.

00:25:00.000 Then I have a provocative question to ask you after that.

00:25:05.000 So yesterday, I saw that the Koch Foundation had announced it is opposed to banning critical race theory.

00:25:14.000 And I pointed out to my audience that from the time George W. Bush left the White House to the time Donald Trump stepped in, these people, this network is who ran the Republican Party, the conservative movement, conservative media, and the right in America.

00:25:27.000 You could do nothing of any magnitude.

00:25:29.000 If you want to know why your Tea Party got swallowed up whole, it wasn't just grifters within it.

00:25:33.000 It's that even when good people earnestly got elected, they were absolutely devoured by the yeast of the Pharisees over there at the Koch network.

00:25:41.000 And that's why basically how you voted for over 10 years was completely irrelevant.

00:25:45.000 They were in control.

00:25:47.000 And I said, so maybe the only possible solution we have is let's wait for elections that are a year or three years off and vote for a bunch of people that didn't say this the last time or the time before that or the time before that.

00:25:59.000 And several people tweeted back to me, well, what is our other solution?

00:26:02.000 And I tweeted back to them this.

00:26:04.000 The Rainbow Jihad lost 31 consecutive elections in this country over the definition of marriage, and yet they now control the culture.

00:26:12.000 Last July of 2020, we sat and watched in about 30 days when an obscure Marxist group almost no one had ever heard of, by the end of the year, the NFL is painting their logos on the field.

00:26:23.000 College teams are wearing their badges.

00:26:25.000 Black Lives Matter without a single vote cast went from an obscure Marxist academic group to taking over the culture.

00:26:31.000 And I asked my audience, how did they do it?

00:26:34.000 See, our people don't understand this.

00:26:36.000 They still think what you just said, we think this is a values debate and it's not.

00:26:41.000 You're exactly right about that.

00:26:43.000 We're saying you can't take our guns.

00:26:44.000 We have the Second Amendment.

00:26:46.000 They're saying, so freaking what?

00:26:48.000 All right.

00:26:48.000 We don't care.

00:26:48.000 Yes.

00:26:49.000 They don't care.

00:26:50.000 They have the will.

00:26:51.000 Yes.

00:26:52.000 What does this mean?

00:26:53.000 This document means nothing to them.

00:26:53.000 That's right.

00:26:55.000 That's right.

00:26:56.000 And that's why the Constitution is a social compact.

00:26:59.000 But the way it's working right now is we're using it to bind us.

00:27:02.000 So can I bring in the election integrity issue for just a second on this?

00:27:09.000 As a proof of concept, I had arguments with people that I adore are great friends of mine.

00:27:15.000 And when the shooting starts, they're going to be some of the first people I call to have my back.

00:27:19.000 Okay.

00:27:20.000 But I was so frustrated with them over the election integrity argument last January because they were so flummoxed because in their view, they thought what Trump was asking Mike Pence to do violated the Eighth Amendment.

00:27:32.000 And my response back to them was: it doesn't matter if that's even true.

00:27:36.000 Okay.

00:27:37.000 Because if we don't know if the actual votes counted are legitimate, it doesn't matter what the eighth, first, fourth, 49th Amendment that we don't even have yet says.

00:27:46.000 The Constitution was not made for us.

00:27:48.000 It was made for us.

00:27:50.000 We were not made for it.

00:27:51.000 Like the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

00:27:54.000 We predate the Constitution.

00:27:55.000 It begins with the words, we the people.

00:27:57.000 It's a social compact.

00:27:59.000 When one side of the compact violates it, we don't sit there and just hold ourselves to it while the other side is running roughshod over our God-given rights.

00:28:07.000 And we sit here and say, but hey, guys, the ninth line of the Eighth Amendment, we don't want to get in the way of that freight train.

00:28:13.000 So we'll just go ahead and let you guys rape, pillage, and plunder as you seek.

00:28:17.000 Well, that's really the argument that's existed on the right for a long time.

00:28:20.000 Oh, I mean, that's the movement I grew up in.

00:28:22.000 I would have said that four years ago.

00:28:24.000 And so, but what we're getting into, and I'm already there.

00:28:27.000 And what I think I hear you're saying, as someone who in the past, I think, Steve, you would have said you have some libertarian leanings.

00:28:33.000 Maybe I'm putting those words in your mouth.

00:28:35.000 I don't know.

00:28:36.000 But like the idea that we as conservatives have to all of a sudden realize we're no longer a nation of laws.

00:28:44.000 It's really who's going to want it more.

00:28:46.000 Here's a provocative question.

00:28:48.000 Is it time for us to say, I don't care.

00:28:51.000 I don't care if the Texas Texas doesn't have the federal authority to enforce immigration law.

00:28:56.000 Yes.

00:28:57.000 This is going to be the answer.

00:28:58.000 Yeah.

00:28:58.000 Okay.

00:28:58.000 So we should say it as provocatively as possible because it's good for ratings.

00:29:03.000 Here's the bottom line.

00:29:05.000 Whoever, you just said it, whoever wants this more.

00:29:07.000 And in any, in any negotiation or confrontation, whoever has the least nerves or concern about losing it and whoever believes that has the most conviction in the righteousness of their cause is going to win.

00:29:22.000 Afghanistan has turned away now the Soviet Union and the United States of America, the two greatest empires in the last 300 years, since the British Empire.

00:29:32.000 How did they do it?

00:29:33.000 Because the people there that want to remain in that in the eighth century of that armpit want that more than the Soviets and the Americans did.

00:29:41.000 That's why.

00:29:42.000 Okay.

00:29:42.000 It's why we, why did we kick the British crown out of the 13 colonies?

00:29:46.000 Because we wanted to control Virginia more than they did.

00:29:49.000 Okay.

00:29:49.000 That's why.

00:29:50.000 And so what's happening right now is the other side is like, we just don't, we don't, we don't care.

00:29:55.000 Three months ago, Joe Biden said he had no authority to issue a vaccine mandate.

00:29:59.000 Three months later, he just attempted to go ahead and do it.

00:30:01.000 They don't care.

00:30:03.000 I think we have to get this through our skull.

00:30:05.000 You know, Lyndon Johnson had a very, had a great line about politics.

00:30:09.000 He said, power is where power goes.

00:30:13.000 Okay.

00:30:13.000 The reality is their side gets elected to do things.

00:30:17.000 Our side gets elected to be something.

00:30:20.000 And that's one of the major reasons why even when our side wins, we lose because we get elected.

00:30:26.000 All right.

00:30:27.000 How do I hold on to this office?

00:30:28.000 How do I advance now that I'm here?

00:30:30.000 Dude, Joe Biden's got Jimmy Carter times George W. Bush 2008 times Herbert Hoover approval ratings right now.

00:30:40.000 They're showing no self-awareness, no, no self-regard, no hesitancy, no patience.

00:30:45.000 They don't care.

00:30:46.000 They're going to jackboot you to your throat regardless.

00:30:50.000 And then they'll just sit there and just lie and call their opponents racist in the election next year anyway.

00:30:54.000 Why do you think they seem to be believe more in their because they're not they understand that what they're pushing is not politics or an ideology, it's a religion and they're more faithful adherence to it than we are to ours.

00:31:05.000 That's why that's so true.

00:31:06.000 So, when I start to hear people, I'm not going to say any names, but governors like come out and say, Well, we are constitutional conservatives, and I know the limits on my power, and I refuse to do what's right because of it.

00:31:18.000 What should we do with people like that?

00:31:20.000 Uh, throw them out.

00:31:22.000 I mean, throw them out.

00:31:23.000 And in the Old Testament, um, God says through the prophet Ezekiel that, you know, you are my watchman on the wall.

00:31:32.000 Yes.

00:31:32.000 And if the, if the, if the Israelites fall into collective sin, even if you hold yourself upright, I will not punish you for their collective sin.

00:31:41.000 But if you do not warn them of what they are about to embark upon, I will punish you as if you had sinned.

00:31:48.000 See, this is your job.

00:31:50.000 Your job is to defend our freedoms against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.

00:31:56.000 We don't have, we are not beholden to institutions that have abandoned that which used to bind us together.

00:32:03.000 And to continue to pretend as if this is the right of center versus left of center argument about what is or what isn't constitutional from the 70s, 80s, or 90s is both naive.

00:32:14.000 And secondly, it's also dangerous.

00:32:16.000 You're up against something that just doesn't care.

00:32:20.000 And I said this, I mean, you said it perfectly previously, and I said it independent of that, which is the social contract's been dead for a while.

00:32:27.000 It's a question of who is going to be more forceful and now governing the country to some sort of semblance of what we actually want to live in.

00:32:35.000 Now, let me ask you though, Steve, because most conservatives are getting very nervous when I talk to them about this.

00:32:40.000 And I honestly don't care like I used to.

00:32:42.000 I go up to senators, and I'll be honest, I think maybe one or two senators get this.

00:32:46.000 They still think that we live in a constitutional republic.

00:32:50.000 They're like, oh, things will come back and they'll get back to the center.

00:32:54.000 And, you know, this is really radical thinking.

00:32:56.000 And I don't want to be responsible for escalation.

00:33:00.000 This is.

00:33:01.000 See, that's what they really think.

00:33:03.000 It's not that they actually think that this is going to go back to the center.

00:33:06.000 That's the last part.

00:33:07.000 No, they don't want to be willing to do whatever comes next.

00:33:10.000 Yes, they don't.

00:33:11.000 And they're not willing to do what must be done.

00:33:13.000 That's really the issue here.

00:33:15.000 When I was on the cruise campaign, can I give you a little inside baseball?

00:33:18.000 Okay.

00:33:19.000 When I was a senior strategist on the cruise campaign and we were trying to figure out how in the world do you defeat Donald Trump, which is basically like, how do you nail Jello to a door?

00:33:29.000 Okay.

00:33:31.000 And one of the things that I said to the other senior strategist and to the candidate is that, number one, you have to read, we've got to read the room here.

00:33:42.000 Okay.

00:33:42.000 And I'll tell you the dumbest advice I ever gave on the cruise campaign, which led me to this conclusion.

00:33:48.000 It was there was the mini riot in Illinois.

00:33:51.000 Trump had an event for the Illinois primary.

00:33:53.000 Don't you remember this?

00:33:54.000 University of Illinois Chicago.

00:33:55.000 Yeah.

00:33:56.000 Yes.

00:33:56.000 All right.

00:33:56.000 There was a mini riot there.

00:33:58.000 And I was the first one to jump on our inside communications and everything else.

00:34:04.000 See, this guy's too radical.

00:34:05.000 He's pushing this.

00:34:06.000 He's making things untoward.

00:34:08.000 He's got this cultic-like following that he just can instigate for just sheer political gain.

00:34:14.000 And we ran out with that messaging that night, by the way.

00:34:17.000 And our polling in Illinois before that event showed we had a real shot to pull that off.

00:34:22.000 Within 24 hours, we had completely collapsed.

00:34:25.000 We've misread the room because even people that might have even thought those things about Trump still realize that the folks that were confronting Trump's followers at that event were far more of a threat to their way of life than even the most cultic of Trump following that you could stereotype.

00:34:41.000 And we misread that room.

00:34:43.000 And I, and I, and I, and the conclusion I got from that horrible advice that I gave and the way that it blew up in our face is I gave an analogy to Ted and to the rest of the campaign.

00:34:52.000 Most people would prefer that the Gary Cooper sheriff is the hero of the movie.

00:34:57.000 The one you marry your wife, your daughter off to, the one that you're, that even the dad of the daughter's like, man, I wish I was more like that young man.

00:35:04.000 Okay.

00:35:04.000 They want that guy to be the hero.

00:35:06.000 But when high noon comes and goes and he never shows up for the confrontation and the banditos are still having their way over the town, eventually when Clint Eastwood's Pale Rider shows up, spaghetti western style, and you know, you know, there's going to be some collateral damage.

00:35:23.000 You know, your windows are getting shot out too.

00:35:25.000 You know that.

00:35:26.000 But you know what?

00:35:26.000 You're so freaking desperate that you take your family, you go to the basement floorboards, and you just stay there until the shooting stops because you know, even though this is more collateral damage than you're confident with, you're comfortable with, you know, when you get up, when you, when you emerge back into the light, you're going to see a lot of dead bodies of those banditos.

00:35:44.000 And so you're desperate and satisfied with the body count.

00:35:47.000 We didn't figure this out.

00:35:49.000 And I think that there are, for people that are like, I don't want an 80-year-old guy to run for president again.

00:35:54.000 If you don't, you guys need to figure this out.

00:35:56.000 The reason why people are waiting for him to return to politics is because there's a dearth of people not named Ron DeSantis who have figured out this is a freaking worldview cage view match.

00:36:07.000 Okay.

00:36:08.000 Two worldviews are walking into that steel cage.

00:36:10.000 Only one of them's walking out.

00:36:11.000 That's right.

00:36:12.000 Period.

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00:36:13.000 And until more people figure that out, you're going to get more of Donald Trump, whether you like it or not.

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00:37:18.000 I deal with these senators and I deal with governors and I mean, they are so, they're weak, they're feckless, they're corrupt, Republicans, I mean.

00:37:28.000 And I sit down with them.

00:37:30.000 I try to walk them through this and either they're insulated or they have no willing.

00:37:35.000 The willingness is a big one.

00:37:36.000 And they just, they're kind of like, yeah, I don't really, I don't really want to do that.

00:37:40.000 So it really also is incumbent on your listeners and my listeners to really raise the level of intensity here.

00:37:46.000 Stop taking selfies with these people.

00:37:48.000 Stop acting as if go to their town halls that they have.

00:37:51.000 They still have them, some of these representatives.

00:37:53.000 Say to them, you don't understand.

00:37:55.000 This country is falling apart.

00:37:57.000 This ends in like three different ways.

00:37:58.000 A free society, which is not going to happen anytime soon.

00:38:02.000 We're going to be in charge and our worldview will be dominant or their worldview will be dominant.

00:38:06.000 It's really that simple.

00:38:07.000 It's one of those three ways.

00:38:09.000 And so, Steve, what you're talking about is almost, it's dramatic.

00:38:14.000 It's some would say radical, but we have to now be willing to escalate the conflict to ways that otherwise we never would before.

00:38:22.000 If we don't do this, if we don't do this, this is my great fear, Charlie, is that I think the spirit of the age, malevolence that's driving this zeitgeist within some dark domains, what they really are trying to push us to is a civil war, a zero-sum game.

00:38:41.000 Absolutely.

00:38:42.000 And no one wins that.

00:38:44.000 No one wins that.

00:38:45.000 All right.

00:38:45.000 To this day, more Americans died in Antietam than have ever died in any conflict ever fought in the history of this country.

00:38:51.000 No one wins that.

00:38:53.000 But the dark domain that's driving this loves that kind of carnage.

00:38:57.000 And that's what it's rooting for.

00:38:58.000 It's trying to create this sort of helpless dynamic.

00:39:02.000 If that happens, if that happens, we have failed.

00:39:05.000 Because even in our eroding state, we still have more freedom and liberty and federalism at our disposal than any nation on earth does.

00:39:14.000 The governments in France and Greece and Italy, ignoring hundreds of thousands protesting every weekend, they don't have a governor of a state in Italy who will defy the feds and say, no, we'll do ivermectin here and no vaccine mandates.

00:39:27.000 They don't have that.

00:39:28.000 We can have that here.

00:39:30.000 We have plenty of confrontational yet still peaceable means by which we can draw a line in the sand and say that that poop ain't happening here anymore.

00:39:38.000 Get the bleep out or we'll reintroduce you to what the founders meant by tarin and feathering.

00:39:42.000 We can do that.

00:39:43.000 And it's going to take a lot more will than we currently have, which is let me let me get let me get fired up with my favorite conservative content and then wait to vote Republican every other year.

00:39:53.000 It's going to take a little bit more of an effort than that.

00:39:55.000 Well, and I put together a list of things that could be done immediately.

00:39:58.000 For example, the governor of North Dakota, South Dakota, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Texas, they should just go rebuild the Keystone XL pipeline immediately.

00:40:05.000 Exactly.

00:40:06.000 Put them back to work.

00:40:07.000 Make them go arrest the workers.

00:40:08.000 They won't do it.

00:40:09.000 They can't.

00:40:10.000 And go to the bottom.

00:40:12.000 Why can the New York governor call in 80,000 members of her National Guard to replace the 80,000 healthcare workers she's about to fire?

00:40:19.000 But Greg Abbott, the Republican governor of Texas, can't put 80,000 National Guards people on the freaking border of the state.

00:40:26.000 Why?

00:40:26.000 Because he doesn't want to.

00:40:27.000 We know.

00:40:27.000 Because he doesn't want to.

00:40:29.000 Because it's a matter of the will and it's not a matter of what actually needs to be done.

00:40:32.000 But here's, and I want to close with this.

00:40:34.000 Are you seeing people wake up to this?

00:40:36.000 I am.

00:40:37.000 I'm seeing millions of everyday people.

00:40:38.000 They are so discouraged.

00:40:39.000 I'm getting more emails and questions about school board elections than I have in my entire career.

00:40:43.000 Yes, but it also has to be part of it.

00:40:45.000 Say, Charlie, what do I do?

00:40:46.000 I say, go find your senator.

00:40:48.000 Go dedicate a day to go find them.

00:40:49.000 Like if you live in a state like North Dakota, where we're going to be broadcasting this on, go find them at the local grocery store and say, why are you such a joke?

00:40:58.000 What country do you think you're living in exactly?

00:41:01.000 You have the chemical castration of children, wide open border at the southern border.

00:41:05.000 We're arming the Taliban.

00:41:07.000 Google and Facebook are their own government within this country.

00:41:11.000 We're on an inflation curve, teaching critical race theory in our schools.

00:41:15.000 The two people have actually done something good, Lieutenant Colonel Scheller and the guy that lifted the baby over the wire, are now being investigated or imprisoned by our military.

00:41:23.000 Yet Millie is going to live a nice life of luxury.

00:41:25.000 What country do you think you're living in exactly?

00:41:27.000 Right.

00:41:28.000 Right?

00:41:29.000 That's exactly right.

00:41:33.000 You know, a friend of mine, Jesse Kelly, another talk show host, has a saying, former Marine.

00:41:38.000 And I think that's a, it certainly applies to this conversation.

00:41:43.000 You, we better get comfortable being uncomfortable.

00:41:46.000 See, you're up against Karens with a military.

00:41:49.000 And they're totally fine invading your school board and your neighborhood and letting you know that they know the way you should live your life and raise your kids and what is right and wrong.

00:41:59.000 And so there's only, you know, and maybe it's just easier for somebody like me.

00:42:03.000 I did not grow up in a good home.

00:42:05.000 I grew up in one that was dysfunctional, had abuse.

00:42:07.000 I had to stand up to my dad physically.

00:42:09.000 I had to defend my mom against him.

00:42:11.000 And so I didn't grow up in a good home.

00:42:12.000 I didn't get a lot of, you know, affirmation all the time.

00:42:16.000 We moved a lot.

00:42:17.000 I'm okay with being uncomfortable.

00:42:18.000 I'm okay with not having a lot of friends and making people uncomfortable, but a lot of people aren't.

00:42:23.000 And you're going to have to get out of that shell because what you're up against is in their happy place making you uncomfortable.

00:42:30.000 So until you get that way, and instead of actually, and we need to actually start with the people you're talking about representing us, there was a poll the other day that showed that Gallup had a poll, the political breakdowns of people's thoughts on coronavirus.

00:42:43.000 And a lot of people in our business on our side made a huge hay of the fact that 22% of Democrats think 50% of people who get COVID go to the hospital, right?

00:42:51.000 When the number is in the low single, it was actually in the single digits.

00:42:55.000 Still, 16% of Republicans thought that.

00:42:57.000 Of course.

00:42:58.000 So what's more dangerous?

00:43:00.000 The fact that 22% of people who watch Rachel Maddow believe this crap?

00:43:03.000 Or the fact that 16% of the people watching Tucker Carlson believe it.

00:43:06.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:43:07.000 Because I kind of think it's the latter, brother.

00:43:09.000 All right.

00:43:10.000 I mean, it's the people wearing our own jersey.

00:43:12.000 You know, Jesus said to love your enemies.

00:43:14.000 I've said this to my audience the other day, Charlie.

00:43:16.000 I'm really, I'm not struggling not to, not to hate the governor of New York or Randy Weingarten.

00:43:22.000 I was a pagan for 30 years.

00:43:24.000 I know what they're doing.

00:43:24.000 I get it.

00:43:25.000 I understand it.

00:43:25.000 I'm opposed to it.

00:43:26.000 I want to defeat it, but I'm like not personally struggling with feelings of hatred for them.

00:43:31.000 You know, I'm struggling not to hate the wimps wearing my own jersey.

00:43:34.000 I totally hate that.

00:43:35.000 That's who I'm struggling not to hate.

00:43:36.000 So last question.

00:43:37.000 Some of the wimps on our side, the feckless, gutless wonders, they say this is all going to get better.

00:43:44.000 The storm will pass.

00:43:45.000 I think that this is just the, I think this is peaceful and nice and serene compared to what's coming next.

00:43:51.000 What do you think?

00:43:52.000 I think if we, the lesson I learned being raised by a bully is the only way to stop the bullying is to stand up to the bully.

00:44:00.000 You cannot negotiate it.

00:44:02.000 It's that great monologue that Donald Pleasance goes on in the first Halloween movie about Michael Myers cannot be stopped, cannot be contained, cannot be killed.

00:44:10.000 This is not going to be stopped by anything other than get this now, stopping it, period.

00:44:16.000 And that's a verb.

00:44:18.000 And most Republicans have no interest in that.

00:44:20.000 They would rather make a bunch of money and live their elder years out in Wuhan or Singapore, which is seems to be Faucian Bargain by Steve Dace.

00:44:32.000 And Steve, you got to come back on We Have to Do This Monthly because not enough people are saying this, but I think more people are, which is really exciting.

00:44:41.000 We have to take back the country.

00:44:42.000 Okay.

00:44:43.000 Any final thoughts?

00:44:46.000 Here's the final thought.

00:44:47.000 The answer is us.

00:44:50.000 We got here because collectively as a society for a generation, we abrogated our responsibility of self-government, beginning with the self.

00:44:57.000 That's the bad news.

00:44:58.000 But here's the good news.

00:44:59.000 Since we're the ones that dug the hole, we're also the ones that can dig our way out.

00:45:02.000 That's an optimistic move.

00:45:04.000 Do something, people.

00:45:05.000 The country's falling apart.

00:45:06.000 All right, Steve.

00:45:07.000 Thanks so much.

00:45:08.000 Appreciate it.

00:45:08.000 You bet, brother.

00:45:09.000 Take care.

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00:45:20.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:45:22.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 07, 2021

Finding the Will to Fight and WIN with Steve Deace

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