The Charlie Kirk Show - Firearms and Freedoms with Darren Beattie and James Saccomano

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00:01:03.000 Welcome back, everybody.

00:01:04.000 There is a nationwide effort right now to grab our guns.

00:01:08.000 Joining us now is James Sacomano, host of Firearms and Freedoms, a Jeff Hayes film available at firearmsandfreedom.com.

00:01:18.000 James, welcome to the program.

00:01:20.000 Thank you so much, Charlie.

00:01:21.000 It's an honor to be here.

00:01:22.000 How are you?

00:01:23.000 Good.

00:01:23.000 Thank you.

00:01:24.000 James, tell us about the film and lots to talk about when it comes to the Second Amendment and the campaign to try to take our firearms away.

00:01:33.000 There is a lot to talk about.

00:01:34.000 I'll try to make it short and sweet, though.

00:01:37.000 This came about.

00:01:39.000 Jeff Hayes, he kind of looks for topics that are getting censored quite a bit.

00:01:46.000 And he stumbled across a statistic about how many times a gun is used by a lawful, responsible American to stop a crime.

00:01:57.000 And depending what statistics you look at, on the low end, it's still over half a million.

00:02:01.000 On the high end, it's up to 2 million every year.

00:02:05.000 And that shocked him.

00:02:06.000 It's like, we never hear this.

00:02:09.000 And that was kind of the nexus for let's look at what's really going on with firearms.

00:02:15.000 And the more we looked at it, there's over 100 million gun owners in this country, lawful, responsible gun owners.

00:02:25.000 They deserve a voice.

00:02:27.000 The big microphone is currently held by people that want to take the guns away. 0.66

00:02:33.000 And our Second Amendment is there for a reason.

00:02:37.000 It protects all the other amendments.

00:02:41.000 And there are people trying to strip it away.

00:02:45.000 So where do you think the gun, the pro-gun or the Second Amendment movement has maybe been unsuccessful in the last couple of years?

00:02:56.000 There's been a lot of wins, but what do you think is something we could be doing better?

00:03:01.000 I think the gun owners need to get responsible, or not responsible, the gun owners need to get involved.

00:03:10.000 The left, the anti-gun side, they've had the microphone.

00:03:14.000 They make a lot of noise.

00:03:17.000 Anytime there's a mass shooting, there's plenty of ammunition out there to reach out and say we need to get the guns out of people's hands.

00:03:28.000 So the big thing is just getting involved.

00:03:31.000 Like I said, there's over 100 million of us, and most of us go about our daily lives just being responsible adults.

00:03:41.000 And it's time that we do write letters, reach out to our local government, to our state senators, our congressmen, and make our voice heard.

00:03:52.000 I would say the one big thing is just not getting involved and thinking that it's going to be okay, but it won't be if we don't get involved.

00:04:06.000 So, tell us how this is organized.

00:04:08.000 Nine episodes.

00:04:09.000 How are you releasing it?

00:04:11.000 Correct.

00:04:12.000 So, Jeff releases everything.

00:04:14.000 It comes out one episode a day.

00:04:16.000 You can get online at the website and register, and we make it available free for a limited time.

00:04:24.000 You can watch each episode.

00:04:26.000 Then, we do encourage you to buy it and own this information, share it with friends, family, anybody in the community you know.

00:04:34.000 We need to get this word out.

00:04:36.000 So, nine episodes, they have themes such as women in self-defense, military law enforcement, mental health.

00:04:45.000 Each episode has a couple of good or organic, strong interviews with people.

00:04:51.000 And then we have little mashup mini documentaries that just run about 10 minutes to help support the theme.

00:04:59.000 And again, it's at firearmsandfreedoms, freedomsplural.com.

00:05:07.000 So, pretty simple.

00:05:08.000 Great.

00:05:08.000 Okay, well, check it out.

00:05:09.000 It is firearmsandfreedom.com.

00:05:11.000 Well, there's a big push in Tennessee to try to get red flag laws.

00:05:17.000 How should we think about red flag laws as Second Amendment defenders?

00:05:21.000 I'll tell you, when I first got involved with this, on a 3,000-foot level, red flag laws sound reasonable.

00:05:31.000 You know, if somebody's struggling, we want to help.

00:05:34.000 We want to make sure they're not vulnerable, they're not a threat to anybody.

00:05:39.000 So, let's reach out and take their weapons away.

00:05:43.000 The problem is in doing it, the red flag laws just strip your rights away.

00:05:51.000 You can have your guns taken because somebody else is worried about you.

00:05:57.000 You don't really get a hearing.

00:05:58.000 It takes thousands of dollars to get it undone and to get your guns back.

00:06:04.000 So, the problem with red flag laws is once the government gets involved, you get stuck in a process.

00:06:11.000 You don't get an attorney.

00:06:13.000 You're stuck in this judicial process that is aimed against you 100%.

00:06:20.000 So, again, this is all about getting involved again.

00:06:24.000 The gun community, if you have somebody in your circle, you should be the one reaching out to them, not sending the police over.

00:06:37.000 We got to take care of each other, and that's in every aspect of life.

00:06:40.000 We got to take care of each other.

00:06:42.000 We've gotten so divisive.

00:06:44.000 We've gotten so insular.

00:06:47.000 We got to take that back.

00:06:48.000 We got to get back to community.

00:06:51.000 I agree.

00:06:52.000 I want to play a cut here from the upcoming series you have.

00:06:57.000 Is that cut 82, Ryan?

00:06:58.000 Is that right?

00:06:59.000 Cut 82, please play cut 82.

00:07:03.000 An armed parishioner quickly shot and killed the attacker.

00:07:06.000 The man who responded is credited for saving many lives.

00:07:10.000 I did shooting because I hated him.

00:07:12.000 I was shotting because I loved everybody else who was in that church.

00:07:16.000 To get an anti-gun person to appreciate the Second Amendment, I get these people who come to me after they've had a home invasion or whatever and say, okay, I realize I need a gun.

00:07:24.000 That's obviously the worst way to find out.

00:07:27.000 I am a gun guy, and it didn't used to be that way.

00:07:30.000 I changed my mind.

00:07:31.000 For me, the purpose of the gun is to stand on principle.

00:07:35.000 I have my property, my sovereignty.

00:07:37.000 If you are to take it from me, I will be defending it.

00:07:41.000 So, in closing here, just tell us more about the series.

00:07:44.000 Got some pretty good people involved there.

00:07:46.000 Just tell us We got really wonderful people involved, and we really cover every aspect.

00:07:53.000 We have victims of violence who've used their firearm or who've become firearm owners.

00:07:59.000 We have heroes like we saw Stephen Williford there, who protected his church in his hometown.

00:08:07.000 We have lobbyists, we have politicians, police, military.

00:08:13.000 So, we really cover all the aspects.

00:08:16.000 The Second Amendment, folks, it is such an important thing.

00:08:20.000 It is there to protect all of us.

00:08:23.000 It is for enemies, foreign and domestic. 0.99

00:08:28.000 I want to remind everybody of that.

00:08:31.000 So, go to freedomsandfirearms.com or firearmsandfreedoms.com.

00:08:38.000 Let's get the word out.

00:08:40.000 Let's share it with everybody.

00:08:42.000 It's called Firearms and Freedoms, Ammunition for Debate.

00:08:48.000 So, this series will give you the facts, the stories, the information you'll need to win the debate on the Second Amendment and on any firearm restriction.

00:08:59.000 It is firearms and freedoms with an S. Correct.

00:09:02.000 Very important.

00:09:04.000 So, very important to go to that.

00:09:06.000 Very good.

00:09:06.000 James, thank you for joining our program.

00:09:08.000 Thanks so much.

00:09:09.000 Charlie, thank you.

00:09:10.000 You have a great day, and thanks for all you're doing for us.

00:09:13.000 You bet.

00:09:14.000 Thank you.

00:09:14.000 God bless.

00:09:16.000 It's an important point.

00:09:17.000 Why do we have a Second Amendment?

00:09:19.000 The Second Amendment is there to protect our other rights given to us by God, not by man, against the potential threat of a tyrannical government.

00:09:27.000 I tell the story frequently of a friend I have in Chicago who was like, I don't want guns.

00:09:33.000 Just keep them away from me.

00:09:34.000 I don't want guns.

00:09:35.000 And then COVID happened.

00:09:37.000 And all of a sudden, you see the lockdowns and you see the masks and you see the COVID hysteria.

00:09:42.000 And all of a sudden, you start to see that sort of abstract threat of tyranny start to march in, start to creep in.

00:09:49.000 George Floyd riots.

00:09:51.000 This very same person now has their FOID card, their firearm owner identification card in Illinois.

00:09:57.000 This very same person who was just like, suburban Chicago, keep guns away from me.

00:10:02.000 I don't want them.

00:10:05.000 People's minds are changing.

00:10:06.000 I've said for quite some time, the gun issue is a winning issue, especially as crime goes up. 0.99

00:10:15.000 As long as the Democrats are running the cities the way they are, we should have a zero budge on any sort of gun stuff.

00:10:23.000 You guys are going to let criminals out of jail. 0.97

00:10:25.000 At the very least, we're going to own guns.

00:10:27.000 No red flag laws.

00:10:28.000 We're not going to put up with any of it.

00:10:29.000 It's not done in good faith.

00:10:30.000 And it goes back to the essence.

00:10:32.000 If you're dealing with another side, not in good faith, there's no deal to be had.

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00:11:30.000 Sources are saying that the turtle might be retiring.

00:11:36.000 That Mitch McConnell might be going into retirement.

00:11:41.000 This would be good news.

00:11:42.000 John Thune would likely take over.

00:11:44.000 It doesn't matter.

00:11:44.000 He's nowhere near as Machiavellian as McConnell.

00:11:47.000 McConnell is tough.

00:11:48.000 You don't want to cross him.

00:11:49.000 I'll tell you, he'll destroy your life.

00:11:51.000 He'll take you off committees.

00:11:53.000 This would be a good thing.

00:11:53.000 He'll go there.

00:11:54.000 So we'll keep our eyes closely on that.

00:12:01.000 You know, we get called all sorts of different things here on this program that are fake and that are not true and that are lies.

00:12:08.000 One of them is they say, you guys are racists.

00:12:10.000 No, no, we're not. 1.00

00:12:11.000 And because the group of people that actually irritate me the most are white liberal women. 1.00

00:12:17.000 I'm going to read you this tweet here from Hillary Ronin. 1.00

00:12:20.000 Of course, her name is Hillary.

00:12:22.000 In August of 2020, San Francisco city council member.

00:12:30.000 She says, I want to make it clear that I believe strongly in defunding the police and reducing the numbers of officers on our force.

00:12:41.000 For decades, we've had an imbalance in our city's budget with hundreds of millions of dollars going to San Francisco Police Department to have them do work they are not qualified to do.

00:12:54.000 I want to defund the police and reduce the amount of police. 0.99

00:12:59.000 Well, Hillary Ronin, not Hillary Rodham Clinton, but there are plenty of similarities, has kind of changed her tune, changed her tone. 1.00

00:13:09.000 San Francisco used to be one of America's greatest cities.

00:13:13.000 It is a dystopian hellscape now.

00:13:16.000 A woman gave birth on the sidewalk of San Francisco the other day.

00:13:22.000 That's just not acceptable in an American city, okay?

00:13:26.000 I pray the baby is okay.

00:13:28.000 I have no idea.

00:13:31.000 These Democrats, because they come from a flawed philosophical tradition, they believe human beings are naturally good, are destroying our once great cities.

00:13:42.000 Chicago is gone.

00:13:43.000 It's been gone for a while, and now it's completely gone.

00:13:46.000 San Francisco.

00:13:46.000 But now, Hillary says, I'm begging you for more police.

00:13:50.000 Play cut 41.

00:13:53.000 We've been begging for more footbeats and for more officers in the Mission District.

00:13:59.000 I've been begging this department to give the mission what it deserves in terms of police presence.

00:14:07.000 It is not this Board of Supervisors' priorities.

00:14:10.000 We want our residents safe.

00:14:12.000 You were calling for the defunding of police when it mattered most during Floyd of Palooza because you thought you could be a virtue signaling upper-class white liberal.

00:14:12.000 No, you don't.

00:14:22.000 I don't, it's really going to be fascinating.

00:14:26.000 I made a comment the other day and people said, oh, Charlie, how good do you say that?

00:14:28.000 I said that suburban residential homes might decrease by 10 or 15%, but I'm actually somewhat more bullish on short and even long-term health of the housing market than most people.

00:14:40.000 For one, people are not going to sell homes if they have a low interest rate or mortgage rate minus having death or divorce or bankruptcy.

00:14:51.000 That's number one.

00:14:52.000 Number two, these cities are losing people every single day.

00:14:59.000 They're going to have to go somewhere.

00:15:00.000 And the suburbs don't have the inventory that a city does.

00:15:05.000 A massive capital project in San Francisco has now gone belly up.

00:15:09.000 A $400 million condominium project.

00:15:13.000 It's gone bankrupt.

00:15:15.000 Can't find the tenants.

00:15:16.000 Can't do it.

00:15:16.000 Can't make the numbers work.

00:15:18.000 Whole Foods is gone in San Francisco.

00:15:20.000 I got such a kick out of this.

00:15:21.000 If we could get the tape here, I actually did a little schtick on this with Charlie Hurt and Sean Duffy and Dagon on Fox Business, where the eulogy that was written, it's one of the funniest things.

00:15:34.000 Whole Foods closing in San Francisco received more articles than kids getting shot on the side of the street in Chicago.

00:15:46.000 There was more national news coverage about the closure of Whole Foods than four or five-year-olds that are just shot indiscriminately in our nation cities.

00:15:55.000 Literally, it is hundreds of articles.

00:15:58.000 If you type in Whole Foods San Francisco, which obviously shows you, if you want to get white liberals really fired up, just close their Whole Foods.

00:16:07.000 Where am I going to get my vegan cheese from?

00:16:12.000 This is a disaster.

00:16:15.000 How am I going to do my beaten kale cleanse?

00:16:21.000 CNN, Whole Foods, closed San Francisco flagships over one store citing worker safety.

00:16:26.000 One after the other, after the other, after the other.

00:16:30.000 The lesson has been learned. 0.52

00:16:31.000 You want to animate white liberals, take away their Whole Foods. 0.52

00:16:35.000 A salad bar. 0.89

00:16:36.000 Oh my gosh, what am I going to do?

00:16:37.000 Whole Foods in San Francisco closed.

00:16:39.000 Now a major political fight looms.

00:16:41.000 Honestly, I try to not wish bad circumstances on my enemies.

00:16:47.000 It's not good form.

00:16:48.000 It's not a good habit.

00:16:50.000 You should not take joy in the suffering of others, but boy, is it hard because these are the worst people.

00:16:58.000 These are the people that kidnapped Riley Gaines.

00:17:01.000 These are the people that heckled the judge at Stanford.

00:17:03.000 Honestly, enjoy the hell of your own creation. 0.92

00:17:07.000 You deserve it.

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00:18:12.000 Joining us now is Darren Beattie.

00:18:13.000 Darren, welcome to the program.

00:18:14.000 Darren runs Revolver.news and does an excellent job.

00:18:17.000 Darren, I want to talk about what Ron Paul was riffing on regarding the deep state.

00:18:23.000 So can I play the tape and then get your reaction, Darren?

00:18:26.000 If so, let's do that.

00:18:27.000 Let's play Cut 83.

00:18:31.000 You know, there's been a coup.

00:18:34.000 We don't have any resemblance to a government that believes in a republic.

00:18:39.000 We don't have honest money.

00:18:40.000 We don't have integrity.

00:18:42.000 We don't even have people in Washington that even pretends, you know, that you're supposed to tell the truth.

00:18:48.000 And if I want to, if I can, I want to just put the day in my mind.

00:18:51.000 And anybody could pick probably any date in the last hundred years.

00:18:54.000 But I have picked November 22nd, 1963.

00:18:59.000 What happened on that day?

00:19:00.000 That was the day Kennedy was murdered by our government.

00:19:03.000 Wow.

00:19:03.000 You know, by the CIA.

00:19:06.000 Darren Beatty, your thoughts?

00:19:09.000 Well, it's remarkable.

00:19:11.000 And of course, it's really a classic coming from Ron Paul, a man who's been speaking the truth for so long.

00:19:20.000 He's kind of become a meme in his own right.

00:19:23.000 You know, we should have listened to Ron Paul.

00:19:26.000 And it's incredible to see him still going at it after all of these years.

00:19:32.000 And, you know, he's best known for being one of the most brave and articulate critics of government abuse from the Federal Reserve, and, you know, which ties into some of what you were saying about gold.

00:19:49.000 He's a critic of the Federal Reserve, critic of the national security state, and saying kind of things that now, thankfully, have become somewhat commonplace, somewhat accepted in the right.

00:20:02.000 There's still a long ways to go, but he's been saying it for a long time.

00:20:07.000 And the bit about Kennedy is fascinating.

00:20:10.000 You know, it's one of the things I talked about with President Trump in our interview, which now has like over 7 million views on Rumble.

00:20:19.000 It's pretty amazing.

00:20:21.000 But we got into the JFK files because Trump made an effort to release a lot of the classified government documents pertaining to the JFK assassination.

00:20:32.000 He was able to get some of it out, but at the end of the process, he received pushback reportedly from Mike Pompeo and others.

00:20:41.000 And so the full story hasn't been released yet to this day.

00:20:47.000 But it certainly was an inflection point in our government in the relationship between the national security state and the American people.

00:20:56.000 And we're still seeing the ramifications of that today with more recent government abuses.

00:21:03.000 Yeah, I mean, look, anyone who studies the JFK assassination, it's very clear that there's more to the story than just the single shooter, Lee Harvey Oswald.

00:21:13.000 I've always believed that there was a second shooter.

00:21:15.000 And I think the Warren Commission is a joke and has been a joke.

00:21:19.000 There's so much wrong with it in a variety of different ways.

00:21:23.000 I have been focused on that for quite some time.

00:21:27.000 Darren, Ron Paul's theory, though, is that that was the beginning of kind of the deep state regime.

00:21:32.000 Like that was the shot across the bout.

00:21:35.000 We could take out a president. 0.94

00:21:37.000 We can cover it up.

00:21:38.000 We can also maybe, and I don't know the circumstances regarding Bobby Kennedy being shot very well might have been a lone actor, but that one hasn't been examined as much.

00:21:48.000 But I mean, you think about it, it's really interesting, right?

00:21:50.000 Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Bobby Kennedy, and JFK, they tried to kill Gerald Ford.

00:21:57.000 They even tried to kill Queen Elizabeth.

00:21:59.000 People forget that.

00:22:00.000 And they tried to kill Ronald Reagan.

00:22:03.000 I mean, we had a mass amount of activity.

00:22:05.000 Some might have been lone actors, some might have been targeting.

00:22:07.000 What do you think of that theory, Darian, that in some ways the deep state regime began when they were able to either kill Kennedy or cover up the truth of the death around Kennedy?

00:22:19.000 And why are people so afraid to talk about this?

00:22:23.000 Well, it's a really fascinating question.

00:22:26.000 And, you know, as for the kind of narrative effect of pinpointing some kind of essential change at the Kennedy assassination, I mean, narratively, it's as good a time as any.

00:22:40.000 But I have to remember, you know, basically the emergence of what Eisenhower called the military-industrial complex in the aftermath of World War II, I think is concurrent with this.

00:22:54.000 So a lot of things were happening simultaneously that I think really had essential role to play in this transformation of the national security state to the degree that we basically become a society controlled by the national security state.

00:23:16.000 And, you know, the Kennedy presidency in particular was interesting because he had a very interesting relationship with the intelligence community.

00:23:25.000 You know, there's the, you know, the Bay of Pigs and A lot of other kinds of interesting entanglements.

00:23:35.000 There is the role of kind of the mafia, and at the very least, sort of the intelligence agencies playing footsie with the mafia and the underworld.

00:23:46.000 And I think that's another kind of dimension of sort of the hidden dimension of power in the United States that people don't appreciate is the kind of, I think it exists in these dark realms where the security state partners up with various elements of the underworld.

00:24:06.000 And back then it was with the mafia.

00:24:09.000 Now you could say maybe it's with certain, you know, drug cartels in Mexico and throughout the world.

00:24:16.000 And so there are always these kinds of partnerships with elements of the underworld.

00:24:21.000 And that's where sort of the dirty deeds are done.

00:24:25.000 And I think those relationships were just starting to crystallize under the Kennedy administration.

00:24:33.000 I think that's significant as well.

00:24:35.000 So I think, you know, the context here, besides the abuses of the national security state, is really that it underscores the bizarre characteristic of our so-called liberal democracy that we actually face with a profound lack of transparency with respect to who really controls things.

00:24:57.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:24:57.000 And it's the question of who's in charge, right?

00:24:59.000 And that is the question.

00:25:00.000 Is it the people or is it a kind of unknown leviathan of scientific and technological elite?

00:25:09.000 Right.

00:25:10.000 A Leviathan and, you know, sub-networks within the Leviathan that are able to get things done.

00:25:17.000 And they were certainly able to get things done back in the 60s and 70s.

00:25:23.000 These days, it's hard to even imagine a level of confidence that could sustain any theory that sinister and things, things are happening.

00:25:32.000 But maybe the sabotage of Nord Stream is a rare and in a certain way, semi-encouraging example of competence in these quarters.

00:25:42.000 Who knows?

00:25:44.000 That's another kind of question that we're unable fully to address precisely because of this lack of transparency that weirdly, it doesn't seem to prevail in so-called authoritarian systems.

00:26:01.000 In China, people kind of know she is in charge.

00:26:05.000 Yes, there's kind of palace intrigue within the CCP, but pretty much it's understood she is the decision maker.

00:26:14.000 In Russia, similarly with Putin in the United States, it's very opaque and it has been for a long time.

00:26:21.000 That's such a good point.

00:26:22.000 And it's multi-generational, though.

00:26:24.000 That's what's so amazing is that no one, there's no way it could be the same person or persons that it was in 63 that it is now.

00:26:30.000 It's just physically impossible, right?

00:26:33.000 I mean, it makes you think, is there, you know, a series of beliefs or is there a spiritual dimension?

00:26:40.000 I certainly believe there's a spiritual dimension to this, that there's principalities of darkness that are governing some of these people.

00:26:46.000 And if you don't believe that, you're not looking hard enough.

00:26:48.000 I mean, there is something so clandestine, so subterranean, so below the surface here.

00:26:54.000 I think that's a really smart point, Darren, is that in most countries, you kind of can pinpoint, okay, it's Xi and his cabal of advisors.

00:27:01.000 They're in charge.

00:27:02.000 Who's actually in charge of the United States?

00:27:04.000 And if you think you know, you're wrong, because you can name maybe one of the players.

00:27:08.000 Maybe it's Soros, maybe it's Obama, maybe it's some of these people.

00:27:11.000 It's deeper than that.

00:27:12.000 And who actually calls the shots and by what standard they call the shots and when do they decide to intervene?

00:27:19.000 Or is it just kind of created its own mob consciousness amongst them where there really isn't a one decision maker, but they have some sort of uniformity of what they want?

00:27:31.000 It's a good question that we're going to explore more.

00:27:33.000 Darren, how does this apply today?

00:27:37.000 And I mean, it looks, how do we then best hold accountable or break apart this leviathan?

00:27:47.000 It's very hard to do, especially when we don't understand it or have any meaningful transparency into it.

00:27:54.000 And as you say, whatever the it is is likely to have evolved since the 60s and more likely than not devolved as I think everything around us disintegrates and deteriorates in terms of competence and efficacy.

00:28:12.000 I don't think there's any reason to think that it's not the same thing in the kind of inner chambers of power, which is why I was saying earlier, it's a minor miracle in its own right whenever our deep state, as evil as it is, is able to pull anything off, which is why the Nordstream operation, assuming it was us, is so interesting.

00:28:39.000 It's hard to believe even the Jeffrey Epstein playbook of having him suicided in a jail cell, that required a fairly impressive degree of secrecy and coordination, and it was done successfully.

00:28:53.000 And the media reporting on it was kind of managed in a very interesting way, because usually things like this are managed.

00:29:03.000 You just can't talk about it.

00:29:04.000 And for a long time, any discussion whatsoever of Epstein in the context of working for some intelligence agency was totally, totally taboo.

00:29:15.000 But then, you know, we jump from the taboo aspect of it to becoming so commonplace that it's almost a joke and lacks any kind of real effect or teeth, which is an interesting sort of marker of how robust the system is, is that it can absorb the publicity of something like that by just funneling it into the Bread and Circuses joke machine of sort of American cultural life,

00:29:46.000 which is kind of an interesting thing to think about whenever you think, oh, if only this so-and-so thing were revealed, well, you know, it takes a lot more than just having some information available on some corners of the internet to make it sort of admissible and permissible in terms of public discourse and sort of our collective consciousness.

00:30:11.000 So there's a long road to go.

00:30:15.000 I think we're still at the road of understanding what the system is and who the players are.

00:30:24.000 And I do think whatever it is, it's disintegrated considerably and things are falling apart in the inner chambers.

00:30:32.000 And we're seeing less and less capability of the government or its operators to carry out sort of ambitious and successful and secretive operations along the lines of the storied and notorious ones that we saw in the past.

00:30:53.000 And maybe it's trying to mix them up against each other, right?

00:30:56.000 It's trying to turn different actors that have different incentives.

00:31:00.000 It is such a far-reaching cabal.

00:31:03.000 And we really started to go wrong as Congress started to delegate all their powers to the administrative state.

00:31:10.000 And then these private actors are able to get so much power and favor from the administrative state.

00:31:15.000 It is a truly fascist model that has been implemented where you have three or four companies in every sector that call all the shots and they get special favors from Congress.

00:31:24.000 One minute remaining, Darren, any latest with January 6th, the tapes or your investigation or reporting into that?

00:31:30.000 As a matter of fact, yes, I've been working on a new January 6th piece that should be out tomorrow and at the very latest, early next week.

00:31:39.000 So if I look tired, that's why there's a new piece coming out very soon at Revolver.news.

00:31:45.000 So just stay tuned and stay patient.

00:31:47.000 You should go to that website every day.

00:31:49.000 Darren has done a fabulous job.

00:31:51.000 He's done yeoman's work.

00:31:53.000 He's done courageous work for all of us.

00:31:55.000 Looking into January 6th, the narrative would be many, many, many, many degrees different if it wasn't for Revolver.news.

00:32:02.000 It would be way more establishment, way in this other area, maybe a little bit.

00:32:08.000 But Darren has been uncovering this nonsense.

00:32:11.000 He's going to get to it.

00:32:13.000 There is so much wrong.

00:32:14.000 They're speculating 40 federal agents.

00:32:15.000 I think that's low.

00:32:16.000 I think there were a lot more than, if you count agents and informants, I think there were more than 40 that day, but that's just me.

00:32:21.000 Darren, thank you so much.

00:32:22.000 Appreciate it.

00:32:23.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:32:25.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:32:26.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:32:29.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

00:32:33.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - April 14, 2023

Firearms and Freedoms with Darren Beattie and James Saccomano

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