The Charlie Kirk Show - December 03, 2024


Fixing the Welfare-Warfare State ft. Dr. Ron Paul


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Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) joins me on the Charlie Kirk Show to talk about the latest FBI Director Nominee, Kash Patel. We discuss his background and why he should be the next Director of the FBI.

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00:01:33.000 There's an incredible roster of changemakers that President Trump has assembled, but they must get through the U.S. Senate.
00:01:40.000 And joining us now is Senator Marsha Blackburn from the great state of Tennessee.
00:01:45.000 Senator, welcome to the program.
00:01:47.000 Thank you for making the time.
00:01:49.000 Senator, first and foremost, your reaction on this very impressive roster that President Trump is presenting in front of the U.S. Senate.
00:01:56.000 Charlie, I appreciate the fact that President Trump is fulfilling yet another promise, and that was to the American people that he would drain the swamp and that he would return Washington and the federal government as being a government of, by, and for the people.
00:02:17.000 And that's exactly what he's doing.
00:02:20.000 It's not business as usual for For Donald Trump as it relates to Washington, D.C. bureaucrats and bureaucracies, this is all about the people and making this country great again and making certain that government works for the people who, by the way, are paying the salary and paying the bill for all of these bureaucrats and all of these agencies.
00:02:50.000 Yeah, so Senator, let's get into some of the recent appointments, most notably Kash Patel.
00:02:55.000 So this weekend, my friend Kash Patel and friend of this program got nominated for FBI Director.
00:03:01.000 Do you plan to support his nomination with a vote?
00:03:05.000 I believe you will.
00:03:06.000 And also, what are your colleagues saying right now about Kash Patel?
00:03:11.000 Yes, you know, Kash is a great guy with a wonderful background.
00:03:16.000 I like the diversity in his background.
00:03:19.000 That he would bring as director of the FBI. And Charlie, here's the things to look at.
00:03:27.000 He's been a prosecutor.
00:03:29.000 He prosecuted terrorists for the DOJ. He was recognized for achievement and excellence in his work as a prosecutor for the DOJ. He served as the lead staffer for the House Intel Committee for Chairman Devin Nunes.
00:03:47.000 He worked on unraveling the Russia hoax and Russiagate, all of those activities.
00:03:55.000 He was the Deputy at DNI, which is National Intelligence.
00:04:01.000 He was the Chief of Staff for the DOD, which of course, you are responsible for making certain that the budget is working, that the personnel are in place.
00:04:15.000 When you were Chief of Staff, At the nation's Department of Defense.
00:04:20.000 So he brings this nice, solid background, this firm understanding of the importance of our nation's intelligence from each and every one of our intel agencies.
00:04:36.000 Now, for the FBI, which is the premier agency in law enforcement, this is a good thing.
00:04:44.000 To have someone that understands the inner workings.
00:04:47.000 And I'll have to tell you, I was listening to an interview that someone who had been a deputy director at the FBI was giving, and oh, they were just trashing Kash Patel and the fact that he had been nominated and he wasn't an FBI man.
00:05:07.000 Well, I got news for you.
00:05:10.000 This individual was more concerned about the effect of the individuals at the FBI than they were about the nation's security and making certain that the people know that they can put their trust and confidence in the FBI. And that is what people want to see.
00:05:34.000 They want some transparency.
00:05:36.000 They don't want to know, don't need to know every little detail, but they're saying to The FBI, to the Department of Justice, to the Secret Service, to the IRS. We want to trust that what you tell us is accurate and correct.
00:05:51.000 So let's play cut three here because obviously I think you were talking about Mr. Andy McCabe.
00:05:57.000 Let's play cut three. 0.94
00:05:58.000 It's a terrible development for the men and women of the FBI and also for the nation that depends on a highly functioning, professional, independent Federal Bureau of Investigation.
00:06:12.000 The fact that Kash Patel is profoundly unqualified for this job is not even like a matter for debate.
00:06:19.000 The installation, or the nomination, I guess we should say at this point, of Kash Patel's FBI director can only possibly be a plan to disrupt, to dismantle, to distract the FBI, and to possibly use it as a tool for the president's political agenda.
00:06:39.000 Senator, that was the quote that I think you were saying.
00:06:42.000 Kash Patel wants to restore faith and integrity in the FBI. Your thoughts?
00:06:47.000 Yes, indeed.
00:06:48.000 That is his goal, is faith and trust and for people to know that what the FBI is saying is accurate.
00:06:56.000 And Charlie, just listen to what McCabe is saying there.
00:07:02.000 It is not about the institution and the transparency of the institution or the fact that the institution is responsible to the people of the country.
00:07:11.000 It is about the people That are there at the FBI. In other words, he's saying he's more concerned about his buddies and friends and former colleagues at the FBI than he is about the nation's security.
00:07:25.000 And when I listen to that quote from him, those comments from him, that is what is first and foremost in my mind.
00:07:36.000 And quite frankly, I think for many people, they are tired of this.
00:07:42.000 It's so interesting when you look at polls like the CBS poll that came out last week.
00:07:48.000 And Charlie, over 60% of the American people agree with the way Donald Trump is handling the transition and with the people that he is putting forward as nominees.
00:08:01.000 And the reason for that is they're pretty fed up with this incestuous nature of these bureaucracies in D.C. They're fed up with the fact that That people don't go to work and they're still working remotely and they're still drawing a paycheck.
00:08:21.000 But you have the IRS that has two years of the backlog in dealing with IRS filings.
00:08:29.000 You have the VA that has a backlog of over 1 million cases that are awaiting adjudication for benefits in health care.
00:08:41.000 And people are saying, hey, wait a minute.
00:08:43.000 You know, you're not there for yourself.
00:08:46.000 You are there as a public servant for the people of this country.
00:08:51.000 And you should be there to help people, not to thwart or slow down the process, not to hide information, not to say, well, my opinion is this, therefore I'm going to do it this way, regardless of what the law or the facts People are tired of that.
00:09:14.000 This is why Donald Trump has a mandate.
00:09:16.000 It is why the people in this country are saying, let's get this thing back on the right track because we have been on the wrong track.
00:09:26.000 Senator, thank you for your clarity on this.
00:09:28.000 It is so refreshing.
00:09:30.000 Let me just ask you, do you believe that there is enough momentum amongst your Senate colleagues so that Trump's picks can be installed both quickly and as selected?
00:09:41.000 I do think so.
00:09:42.000 I think that we are going to go through the hearings.
00:09:46.000 I have encouraged people to have these visits early with these nominees to talk with them.
00:09:55.000 And then January 3rd, when we hand the gavel to Republicans, we should move expeditiously to begin these hearings.
00:10:06.000 So on January 20th, We are confirming individuals and Charlie, I'll tell you this.
00:10:13.000 On the inaugural day, we need to stay there and work and confirm the president's cabinet.
00:10:20.000 I don't care if we work all night.
00:10:23.000 We need to stay in session until we get these confirmations done.
00:10:28.000 The nation has spoken.
00:10:31.000 They are ready for some change and are ready for positive action.
00:10:35.000 Senator, thank you so much.
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00:11:53.000 Dr. Paul is a former Republican congressman from Texas, chairman of the Ron Paul Institute, and host of the Ron Paul Liberty Report.
00:12:01.000 Dr. Paul, welcome to the program.
00:12:03.000 Charlie, nice to be with you.
00:12:05.000 So, Dr. Paul, I want to start with the Department of Government Efficiency.
00:12:09.000 You've been talking about quite some time about the waste, the abuse, and how the size and scope of the federal government has gone way off course.
00:12:18.000 Tell us, what is your reaction to Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency?
00:12:24.000 Well, it's very, very positive because I think people who are hitting that up, they're very dedicated and they want to cut back and they're going to make every effort.
00:12:34.000 Of course, they have a big job ahead because the number of people who want In reality, to cut back, those numbers aren't as great as they should be.
00:12:48.000 And that's what bothers me because when you put all the factions together, somebody's special interests will be attacked when you start cutting.
00:12:58.000 But the cutting will be met with a great deal of resistance, but it still has to be done because all this stuff is going to quit anyway.
00:13:09.000 It'd be better that we do it in a deliberate fashion by just starting to cut.
00:13:15.000 Some people are going to be hurt.
00:13:18.000 I think they're getting cheated, but it has to be done.
00:13:23.000 Otherwise, if we end up with this deficit exploding, not that it already hasn't approached that, it's going to be bad for much worse than if we deliberately pass laws that reduce the size and scope of government.
00:13:42.000 But government, by its very nature, is inefficient.
00:13:46.000 And that is an overwhelming task to rein it in because that is its nature.
00:13:52.000 The founders tried very hard to make sure that the people would contain the size and growth of government because they too knew governments could get out of hand.
00:14:02.000 But that's the real problem.
00:14:04.000 And that's why if you nickel and dime it around the edges, I don't think it'll work very well.
00:14:11.000 It might help.
00:14:13.000 But I think that it's the principle of government because there are so many people involved for profits, money, and political power that won't put up with it.
00:14:26.000 So, Dr. Paul, let's dive into one of those elements that you mentioned, which is that both sides, Republicans and Democrats, are hesitant to cut spending about their kind of cherished On the Democrat side, it's welfare and just general government waste.
00:14:40.000 On the right, though, on Republican side, it's in the Department of Defense and the war industry.
00:14:46.000 You've been doing this for decades, literally.
00:14:49.000 Let me ask you this way before we go even deeper in specifics.
00:14:52.000 Is there almost a bipartisan agreement of Republicans saying we won't touch welfare and Democrats saying we won't touch the warmongering and we end up with a welfare-warfare state?
00:15:03.000 Well, that's basically what's happened over the many decades.
00:15:06.000 It's probably not written, but it's understood because that's the way it works.
00:15:11.000 Because, of course, it used to be that you had a progressive part of the Democrat Party And they were the anti-war people.
00:15:21.000 But now they're as hawkish as some of the Republicans are.
00:15:25.000 But they do come together.
00:15:27.000 And I think if you think of it only in terms of coalitions in Congress, we missed the whole point.
00:15:34.000 The whole point is who's pulling the strings behind the scenes?
00:15:39.000 Who's paying the lobbyists? 0.78
00:15:41.000 And the lobbyists have the deal with people who...
00:15:46.000 Who have to make sure that they get their things passed.
00:15:51.000 So a lot of them just cave in for political reasons.
00:15:54.000 Oh, yeah.
00:15:55.000 People say, well, if you don't vote to cut, you're going to be out of office.
00:15:59.000 And what good are you going to be?
00:16:00.000 So they badger you.
00:16:01.000 But I don't think it's...
00:16:03.000 I think there's less of that understanding that one side would go after spending for military and the other on welfare.
00:16:12.000 I think both sides err on both issues.
00:16:17.000 But that is a problem because too many people become dependent.
00:16:22.000 And of course, I always make the point that if you get it for free, and that's what's the problem with our monetary system, none of this could happen.
00:16:30.000 If you have had a solid monetary system where government couldn't buy the debt, so it's going to be endless.
00:16:36.000 They're never going to stop until something is done about the monetary system, and that'll take care of itself eventually.
00:16:42.000 One of the most formative books I read growing up in politics was Three Words, End the Fed by Dr. Ron Paul.
00:16:51.000 Doctor, I have to ask you, in all of your decades of experience, what are a couple noteworthy elements of government waste that are just some of the most egregious?
00:17:01.000 Well, the one that bothers me the most and continues to is the endless spending on unconstitutional, illegal, and evil wars that we have started with our deeply flawed foreign policy of interventionism and not following the Constitution.
00:17:18.000 Because since the Second World War, we've never even declared a war.
00:17:23.000 We just go and do it.
00:17:24.000 They don't ask about why, what are we going to do, what's the goal, how much is it going to cost, where are we going to get the money?
00:17:30.000 And that's big.
00:17:31.000 And because there's so many people that die from this foreign policy, that is another reason that we should all oppose it.
00:17:40.000 But the whole thing is it's sold on national security and patriotism.
00:17:45.000 And that's all a facade because it has nothing.
00:17:49.000 I feel less safe.
00:17:51.000 You know, with our foreign policy.
00:17:53.000 I don't feel safer.
00:17:54.000 I was in the military for five years.
00:17:56.000 I have a little bit of experience with it.
00:17:58.000 But I don't think people should feel reserved.
00:18:01.000 I was drafted during the 60s.
00:18:04.000 And that, of course, was where the Vietnam War was going on.
00:18:08.000 And believe me, that was a mess.
00:18:10.000 You know, we elected Nixon to stop the war.
00:18:13.000 After Nixon was elected, 34,000 Americans were killed.
00:18:19.000 It's insanity.
00:18:20.000 Yes, food stamps and everything else, but this is food stamps for the rich, and especially food stamps for the military-industrial complex.
00:18:28.000 That's the one that bothers me the most.
00:18:30.000 Well, fair, Dr. Paul.
00:18:32.000 And so let's go through this.
00:18:35.000 According to publicly declared numbers, the U.S. military spends around $880 billion a year.
00:18:44.000 Russia's entire defense budget is around $100 billion.
00:18:48.000 They lie about it.
00:18:50.000 They say it's $80 billion, but it's probably closer to $100 billion.
00:18:53.000 What are we doing spending eight times the Russian military budget?
00:18:58.000 Where does that money go?
00:19:00.000 Into the pockets of the military-industrial complex.
00:19:05.000 The money never leaves.
00:19:08.000 We send all these weapons to Ukraine and the Middle East and all these countries, Syria and whatnot, but the money...
00:19:16.000 The money is stolen from the American people one way or another, either by taxes or by stealing the value of money through inflation.
00:19:24.000 And they send that up to the suburbs of Washington, D.C. and the big companies.
00:19:30.000 You know, the F-35 is a Boondoggle, I don't know how many trillions it's been spent already, and nobody believes it's a good airplane, but it's being built.
00:19:40.000 Somebody said once, every state has a piece of the action.
00:19:44.000 So nobody will cut back.
00:19:46.000 Oh, we'll lose jobs.
00:19:47.000 So that is why it's so vicious, and there's no good intention.
00:19:53.000 It does not help us in national security.
00:19:55.000 It does exactly the opposite, and it works real hard to, you know, Cut back on it and try to avoid the bankruptcy going on.
00:20:05.000 But it's the principle.
00:20:07.000 Of course, my argument always is about how do you pay for it?
00:20:11.000 They couldn't do this if they didn't have the Fed because, no, they're not going to tax us, but they'll steal the money.
00:20:19.000 The tax is the inflation tax.
00:20:21.000 When prices go up, that's a tax.
00:20:24.000 So they do it that way, and it's deceptive.
00:20:27.000 And it's just despicable what they do.
00:20:33.000 And I've been mocked at the whole idea that, well, you guys want to start another war.
00:20:39.000 I'm going to introduce an amendment to declare the war. 0.67
00:20:43.000 I'm not going to vote against it, but I'm going to make you guys vote for it.
00:20:47.000 That was when we were going into the Middle East.
00:20:50.000 And And they mocked it.
00:20:53.000 I was told by the chairman of the committee, Ron, you worry too much.
00:20:58.000 That part of the Constitution, we don't follow it anymore.
00:21:02.000 It's not necessary.
00:21:04.000 And they don't.
00:21:05.000 They don't follow it anymore.
00:21:06.000 So it's a combination of violation of the Constitution, violation of morality, and then servicing the very, very wealthy in the military-industrial complex.
00:21:18.000 So that one gets me pretty annoyed.
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00:22:38.000 So, Dr. Paul, I want to dive deeper into one of the elements here and explain it to the audience that might not be as economically initiated as you are.
00:22:48.000 Can you explain how a central bank allows for big government programs to exist?
00:22:54.000 It is the original sin and it also is the operative initial ingredient.
00:22:58.000 You cannot build a recipe of big government spending without a central bank.
00:23:05.000 Can you please educate our audience on that?
00:23:08.000 Well, the whole thing is, if you didn't have the central bank, they'd have to get the money from somewhere.
00:23:12.000 People would have to loan the money to the government.
00:23:15.000 They could borrow the money, but now all they have to do, the principle, the economic activity, is the monetizing of debt.
00:23:25.000 The Fed doesn't buy the treasury bills and the bonds directly, but there's dealers who are the middlemen.
00:23:32.000 They buy it, and the Fed buys them up.
00:23:34.000 So where did the Fed get the money to buy these bonds?
00:23:39.000 While they do that, they're participating in rigging interest rates for the benefit of the management of the economy.
00:23:46.000 Oh, the economy needs higher rates.
00:23:49.000 They don't know anything.
00:23:51.000 It's really a monster.
00:23:53.000 And so I would say that if you're serious about cutting back on militarism and wars, you have to go ahead and look into the Federal Reserve.
00:24:02.000 And that's why I've spent a couple of years ago at least asking for an audit of the Fed so that they can look into it and see what happens.
00:24:13.000 You know, when we have these international financial crises, they shift money around to trillions and trillions of dollars, billing out their friends on the audit.
00:24:24.000 One of the strongest arguments against the audit is, I want to know what's going on internationally behind the scenes.
00:24:30.000 It's never recorded.
00:24:31.000 And that's what they cling to the most.
00:24:34.000 They don't want to let...
00:24:35.000 Anybody know what the Fed does when they're bailing out people?
00:24:39.000 I think, in a way, I'm really amazed that this thing lasts as long as it does because it's all fakery.
00:24:49.000 But eventually it ends.
00:24:51.000 And the longer they keep propping it up and running up these debts, I saw a figure this morning about how much debt into the trillions of dollars that student loans are owed.
00:25:01.000 They're never going to pay that back.
00:25:04.000 It's just going to be written off.
00:25:07.000 See, I believe that all debt and all malinvestment has to be liquidated.
00:25:12.000 The debt is there.
00:25:13.000 It's too big.
00:25:14.000 We're never going to pay it down.
00:25:17.000 And the malinvestment, that is what Business people do, and savers, and every paper does, where they're deceived into thinking, oh, interest rates are 3%.
00:25:27.000 That's a good time to invest in condominiums or some other business.
00:25:32.000 But real interest rates might be closer to what the credit cards cost.
00:25:38.000 Real interest rates would be 9 or 10. Oh, I can't do this.
00:25:41.000 So it encourages bad judgment.
00:25:44.000 And the interest rates is the most important thing.
00:25:47.000 And that is the price of money when it's loaned out of all prices.
00:25:52.000 And as long as the Fed controls that, the bubble keeps building.
00:25:58.000 So it amazes me because it's a huge bubble and it's starting to leak.
00:26:05.000 And right now, people are saying, well, it's all brick's fault.
00:26:08.000 We've got to curtail bricks.
00:26:10.000 They're going to undermine the reserve currency of the world, so we have to deal with them.
00:26:15.000 No, we have to deal with our system, and we have to deal with providing a sound currency that deserves to be called the reserve currency of the world.
00:26:24.000 So let's just think hypothetically here.
00:26:28.000 President Trump, coming as the incoming president, has a mandate to try to reform government.
00:26:33.000 And I know that you don't agree with him on everything, but there certainly is that kind of energy.
00:26:37.000 What could the president do to audit, to reform the Federal Reserve without Congress?
00:26:45.000 Could the president do anything?
00:26:46.000 Could he have a special Fed czar?
00:26:50.000 Could he instruct Scott Besant to look into this as Treasury Secretary?
00:26:55.000 Could he send an Elon?
00:26:57.000 In theory, that's the case, but I think the system is much bigger than that because the influence there is so great.
00:27:06.000 How many trillions of dollars are involved in the military-industrial complex? 0.78
00:27:10.000 How many trillions and trillions are involved in the banking system? 0.95
00:27:15.000 It would work.
00:27:17.000 But I think they're sincere.
00:27:18.000 I think they'd like to do it.
00:27:20.000 Trump has said some encouraging things.
00:27:23.000 But the obstacle is tremendously huge.
00:27:28.000 And that's why I hold back on saying, oh boy, we're on the right track.
00:27:34.000 And a lot of good things are happening.
00:27:36.000 You know, one of the other big beefs, of course, most libertarians and conservatives are annoyed with me, is the Department of Justice.
00:27:44.000 At least we're seeing that exposed.
00:27:46.000 And when the American people learned about what was going on with COVID, the American people woke up.
00:27:52.000 I think there are good things going on.
00:27:55.000 And I think that's what Trump could do the best, is wake people up to this.
00:28:00.000 Because one individual, it'd be nice to think all they do is wave a wand.
00:28:05.000 But you have to have a consensus.
00:28:07.000 The people have to have A general belief in what we have.
00:28:12.000 Right now, if you said, oh, Ron Paul's president and he can do it, he's getting rid of the Fed.
00:28:18.000 Well, it wouldn't work.
00:28:20.000 You have to change the people's minds and you have to let them know what's going on and why things are happening.
00:28:28.000 But prevailing attitudes are very, very important.
00:28:30.000 But basically, I think And Charlie, I know you know something about Austrian free market economics.
00:28:38.000 That's why I'm very involved in doing that.
00:28:41.000 They need to understand economic policy.
00:28:45.000 You and Tom Woods and many others were foundational in how I view a lot of these systems.
00:28:50.000 And I think it's so important.
00:28:53.000 If every young American was able to be schooled in Austrian economics, Chicago School of Economics, outside of Keynesian economics, We'd have a different country.
00:29:04.000 And you understand that money is a finite resource and must reflect reality, that deficits do matter, that business cycles just don't go poof for no reason, that interest rates are how we communicate with people.
00:29:16.000 These are fundamental truths to our existence.
00:29:18.000 I think that they're harmonic with nature and the natural order.
00:29:23.000 Dr. Paul, You said we should liquidate our debt.
00:29:26.000 Wouldn't that cause potential global markets to react quite violently?
00:29:31.000 How would we even do something like that?
00:29:33.000 Well, it is not so much that I just like the idea of liquidating debt.
00:29:37.000 I'm describing what the market does.
00:29:39.000 Because eventually, if you can't earn enough to pay the interest, you know, the debt has to be liquidated.
00:29:45.000 And that's where we are now in our national budget.
00:29:49.000 We have to borrow money to pay the interest on the national debt.
00:29:53.000 So it's going to shrink.
00:29:56.000 It'd be good.
00:29:56.000 People will say, yeah, it'd be good.
00:29:57.000 We shouldn't have done all that stuff.
00:29:59.000 But it's not going to be paid off.
00:30:02.000 So it's liquidated by eliminating its value.
00:30:06.000 So if you double the money supply and the dollar loses half its value, your real debt goes down.
00:30:11.000 And the government likes that.
00:30:13.000 So the government benefits because real debt is down.
00:30:16.000 And that's sort of the argument.
00:30:18.000 Take out a loan, a 30-year loan, and by the time you have to pay it off, you don't have the money.
00:30:26.000 It'll be much cheaper for you.
00:30:28.000 So it's just a game they play.
00:30:30.000 But one way or the other, I think the market is very, very powerful, and it will demand that you go back to square one unless you have a very rich uncle that's going to take care of you.
00:30:41.000 And so, it's all about enlightenment and getting people to realize the situation that we are in.
00:30:48.000 And Dr. Paul, part of that is government-run schools.
00:30:51.000 President Trump has pledged to break apart and end the Department of Education and this idea that the state should be educating our children.
00:30:59.000 That is something you've been calling for for quite some time.
00:31:01.000 In fact, I remember you called for that in a presidential debate back in 2012, sunsetting the Department of Education.
00:31:09.000 And I just want to tell you, this is the power of Ron Paul.
00:31:12.000 Dr. Paul, you were mocked.
00:31:14.000 Remember that?
00:31:14.000 When you said that we have to get rid of the Department of Education, people said, oh, that'll never happen.
00:31:18.000 Now an incoming president has plans to give it his all to do that.
00:31:22.000 Your thoughts, Dr. Paul?
00:31:24.000 Well, they're moving in the right directions and people are realizing that there'll be tremendous resistance because there's a lot of money involved.
00:31:32.000 But the truth about the government education is very real and very bad.
00:31:39.000 But the other thing is, I like to move back what would be ideal.
00:31:44.000 And the ideal is not available to us now, but I'm involved in it.
00:31:48.000 And that's homeschooling and private schooling.
00:31:50.000 But that's a small percentage of people.
00:31:52.000 But the Constitution didn't prohibit the states from having a responsibility in education, so they do.
00:31:59.000 It's sort of like the horrible things about COVID. Some people just moved away from these states that abused the civil liberties, and people will move because of the educational system.
00:32:13.000 To me, it's amazing that so many people We'll move for those reasons.
00:32:20.000 And this sort of tells you how smart the founders were.
00:32:23.000 I'm sure they thought about that.
00:32:25.000 If there's individual countries there, and there's freedom to move about, and one country goes way off base, I think that not a whole lot of people are moving, leaving Texas and said, oh, I could find a better life in California.
00:32:41.000 You know, people are coming from California to Texas.
00:32:44.000 So that's that was one thing the founders did that we're making use of.
00:32:49.000 But really, the moral thing is the parents are responsible for the education of their kids and they need to deal with it.
00:32:57.000 And when you think of wokeism in our public schools, it should excite a lot of parents to do something about it.
00:33:04.000 Dr. Paul, are you optimistic that more and more people are opening their eyes away from statism and embracing a more liberty centric worldview?
00:33:12.000 Yeah, I'm optimistic because I think the educational effort has been panning out.
00:33:19.000 When I went first to Congress, not that I had anything to do with it, but nobody ever had heard about Austrian economics.
00:33:27.000 I'd have people on major networks, what's this Australian economics all about?
00:33:32.000 But now, a lot of people know about it.
00:33:37.000 And guess what?
00:33:38.000 They're even talking about the Fed.
00:33:41.000 As a matter of fact, Tucker Carlson sort of poked a little fun at me.
00:33:46.000 He went on one of our trips, and here he's going to be talking about it.
00:33:50.000 And Tucker admitted, he says, that's crazy.
00:33:53.000 What is he talking about the Fed?
00:33:54.000 But then Tucker said, He had an enlightenment.
00:33:57.000 People did get interested.
00:33:59.000 And I think it's such a big issue whether you're interested in welfareism or government.
00:34:05.000 That is the way to curtail it and reintroduce the notions of personal liberty.
00:34:10.000 Dr. Ron Paul, you are a legend and we all follow in your footsteps.
00:34:14.000 You had the courage, you had the clairvoyance, and you had the wherewithal.
00:34:22.000 To continue on this great journey.
00:34:24.000 Thank you.
00:34:25.000 We follow you and you are an icon.
00:34:26.000 Thank you, Dr. Paul.
00:34:27.000 Thank you, Charlie.
00:34:28.000 Nice to be with you.
00:34:29.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:34:30.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:34:32.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.