The Charlie Kirk Show - FLASH Episode with Senator Rand Paul

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00:01:23.000 Hey, everybody.

00:01:24.000 Welcome to this very special episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:26.000 With us today is probably the most courageous United States senator in the country and someone who I'm honored to call a friend, Senator Rand Paul.

00:01:34.000 Senator, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:37.000 Glad to be with you, Charlie.

00:01:38.000 Thanks.

00:01:40.000 You gave a phenomenal speech from the Senate floor yesterday where you talked about what the Democrats are bringing us back into.

00:01:48.000 You said partisan rancor almost wanted to redo the election.

00:01:51.000 And I was actually really stunned to see that the resolution or the measure you put forward got 45 Republican votes behind it.

00:02:01.000 Can you talk about what you presented to the Senate and how it got so much support and how was it even able to be called for a vote?

00:02:09.000 I was pretty stunned by that.

00:02:11.000 But there is a constitutional privilege.

00:02:13.000 If you bring up a point of order and challenge the constitutionality of an issue, it actually gets privilege.

00:02:19.000 They also knew, though, that if they tried to deny me the vote, when they put up the rules for the impeachment, I could amend the rules.

00:02:27.000 So they were going to have to deal with me one way or another, but I was glad we got it up as a separate issue.

00:02:32.000 And knowing the rules helps.

00:02:34.000 Forcing the issue, knowing that you'll persist and you will pester them until you get your voice heard helps.

00:02:40.000 And so we're a little bit of all those things.

00:02:43.000 And they did relent.

00:02:45.000 We were able to get the vote.

00:02:46.000 But the other reason was to smoke out people.

00:02:49.000 You get all these people trying to pretend like this is a valid hearing and they're going to wait and hear the facts on both sides.

00:02:55.000 They are not.

00:02:56.000 They all know how they're going to vote.

00:02:57.000 Why don't we decide this from the very get-go?

00:02:59.000 We didn't think we'd get to 50, but I thought we could get into the 40s.

00:03:04.000 But really, anything above 34 proves that the impeachment is over.

00:03:08.000 The impeachment's now dead on arrival.

00:03:10.000 And this was to prove that, but also to let people see, if you don't say anything, no one would realize the great anomaly that the person sitting in the chair is not the chief justice.

00:03:22.000 Why isn't he there?

00:03:24.000 Constitution says the chief justice shall preside when you impeach the president.

00:03:29.000 Well, it's because they're not impeaching the current president.

00:03:31.000 Well, if they're not impeaching the current president, where does it say they can impeach a private citizen?

00:03:36.000 So they're either impeaching a president or they're not.

00:03:40.000 The chief justice says it's not the president any longer, but then it's a private citizen.

00:03:45.000 And how can that be constitutional?

00:03:47.000 That means they can impeach Charlie Kirk.

00:03:49.000 I mean, really, who couldn't they impeach then?

00:03:51.000 What are the limits?

00:03:52.000 President Trump is no longer an office holder.

00:03:55.000 How are they impeaching him? 0.93

00:03:57.000 And so it really is ridiculous. 0.97

00:03:59.000 It shows their bitterness. 0.53

00:04:01.000 But really, this was a real chance for President Biden.

00:04:05.000 He could have risen to the occasion and been a statesman and said, you know what?

00:04:10.000 It would just bring up the bitterness of the election and let's move on to my agenda.

00:04:15.000 His point, his numbers would have gone up 10 points.

00:04:18.000 But instead, he's beholden to the left-wing crazies in his party that want nothing but, you know, anger and vitriol and they want their pound of flesh.

00:04:28.000 So anyway, I think we've foiled their plans because everybody can go and yawn.

00:04:34.000 This is over.

00:04:35.000 This is a dead on arrival.

00:04:37.000 Well, and I want to thank you and compliment you because the constitutional privilege, the way you explained it, was really helpful because I was just curious how it got to a floor vote so quickly.

00:04:45.000 It really did make this debt on arrival.

00:04:48.000 And Senator, you changed the national conversation on this impeachment overnight, almost instantaneously, where it went from vote counting to should this even be happening at all whatsoever.

00:04:58.000 And you challenged the legitimacy of it, which was so desperately needed because I think that too many Republicans were legitimizing something that really isn't an impeachment.

00:05:08.000 The founders never thought impeachment should be for private citizens.

00:05:11.000 It should be for current civil office holders.

00:05:14.000 And you said something in your speech, Senator, that I want to zero in on, where you said Donald Trump is really all that keeps the Democrats together.

00:05:21.000 It's as if they want to just keep on bringing him up.

00:05:24.000 And I thought that was a really important point.

00:05:26.000 And so do you view this then as nothing more than just an excuse not to govern, almost an excuse to keep their rank and file happy and try and almost redo an election that they were happy with the outcome of?

00:05:41.000 I think so.

00:05:42.000 And I think also it's based on a conclusion that no one's even really discussed fairly.

00:05:47.000 So they make the conclusion.

00:05:48.000 If you watch any of these left-wing news channels, which is most of them, they say President Trump incited a violent insurrection.

00:05:58.000 Well, that's a wild and crazy conclusion.

00:06:01.000 Really?

00:06:02.000 A president incited a violent insurrection of the country?

00:06:06.000 We had a civil war?

00:06:06.000 What?

00:06:07.000 When did this happen?

00:06:08.000 But the thing is, is that that is a conclusion for which there's been no discussion of.

00:06:14.000 They just draw the conclusion.

00:06:15.000 So what did the president do to incite violence?

00:06:18.000 He said, go fight for your country.

00:06:21.000 Those are the language they put in there, that this is a terrible thing that he said.

00:06:25.000 I asked him on the Senate floor, what Democrat, raise your hand if you have never given a speech where you said, go fight to take back your country or go fight for your country or go fight for this principle.

00:06:35.000 You know, fighting is a figurative word.

00:06:39.000 And it's funny, most of the time, we don't go on to explain peacefully, but the president actually took the time to say peacefully.

00:06:46.000 And he said, let your voices be heard.

00:06:48.000 He didn't say go down there with pitchforks or guns and attack the, you know.

00:06:53.000 But the thing is, is if the president's going to be held responsible in a ridiculous, over-the-top, unfair way, shouldn't we at least look at Democrats' language?

00:07:04.000 And this was a big part of what I wanted to bring forward.

00:07:06.000 And even many of the media still haven't realized this. 0.77

00:07:09.000 I asked whether we should impeach Kamala Harris.

00:07:12.000 Kamala Harris has been giving bail money to people who have been violently burning our city.

00:07:17.000 She's advocated for this freedom fund, and she wants to give them money to get out of jail after they try to throw Molokov cocktails at policemen after they burn our cities.

00:07:26.000 She wants to help them get out of jail.

00:07:27.000 And some very violent people use that fund to get out of jail in Minnesota. 1.00

00:07:32.000 But would we call for impeaching her? 0.96

00:07:34.000 I would criticize her, but I would never call for an impeaching her because that would be ridiculous.

00:07:39.000 But the other side doesn't want to use the same kind of a reply, the same kind of standard to their people.

00:07:46.000 That's really well said.

00:07:47.000 So, Senator, I want to focus on something that I think is brewing that you have been fighting against metaphorically, of course, Senator.

00:07:56.000 Now, when I say this word, I always have to stop myself or else I'm afraid I'm going to be accused.

00:07:59.000 No, seriously.

00:08:00.000 And it actually ties to this question, which is, I think that the Democrats and some of the establishment Republicans are licking their chops because they see a new Patriot Act opportunity to spy on American citizens.

00:08:14.000 Senator, you really kind of, in my first memory of your political career in the Senate, you filibustered the potential drone reconnaissance of Americans.

00:08:25.000 I might be misremembering it, but it was something of that nature.

00:08:29.000 You've been speaking about the threat of the federal government being able to spy on American citizens.

00:08:35.000 Well, now we have, they're not hiding it anymore.

00:08:37.000 They're saying that even libertarians could potentially be spied on.

00:08:41.000 That's John Brennan's words, not my own.

00:08:44.000 Senator, can you talk about how dangerous this is and why we must stand up against it early?

00:08:49.000 Because a new Patriot Act, it could fundamentally change the country altogether.

00:08:55.000 Yeah, beware what they slip in when they start talking about terrorism.

00:08:58.000 You know, after 9-11, they said we have to go after the terrorists. 0.77

00:09:02.000 And my first reaction was, I'm fine going after these foreign terrorists and I want you to spy on them, snoop on them, whatever you need to do.

00:09:09.000 But the people who attacked us on 9-11 need to be punished. 0.92

00:09:12.000 But then I found out that their plan, and my dad was big on exposing this, they'd had this plan.

00:09:18.000 The Patriot Act had been written for 10 years before they sprung it on us.

00:09:22.000 They were looking for an excuse.

00:09:23.000 Remember Rahm Emanuel saying, let no crisis be wasted.

00:09:28.000 In times of crisis, when people are actually trying to do the right thing, what happens is your civil liberties are eroded and slip away, times of war, times of crisis, but then it's hard to get them back.

00:09:39.000 So they said, we have to spy on these people who might attack us.

00:09:42.000 But then it turns out they were spying on Americans, not just a few Americans, not Americans who they were suspicious of that might have been calling a foreign terrorist.

00:09:51.000 No, every American.

00:09:52.000 So every American's phone call was being monitored.

00:09:56.000 This is what Edward Snowden revealed.

00:09:58.000 He revealed that Verizon had a court order from the government to look at all Verizon cell phone calls.

00:10:05.000 ATT presumably had the same thing.

00:10:07.000 So did every cell phone company.

00:10:10.000 So they used something against terrorism to spy on all of us.

00:10:13.000 So now what are they saying?

00:10:14.000 They're saying, well, we've got domestic terrorism.

00:10:18.000 We've had this attack on the Capitol.

00:10:20.000 We need to go after domestic terrorists.

00:10:22.000 And you're like, well, a lot of people will say, well, you're right.

00:10:25.000 There's violence and we need to get these violent people.

00:10:27.000 The person who killed the policeman, I'm all for you.

00:10:29.000 Yes, we should, the guy who killed the Capitol policeman should go to jail forever.

00:10:33.000 You know, I mean, that's a terrible crime.

00:10:36.000 But the thing is, is then you start to think, who are these people that they're going to define as domestic terrorists?

00:10:41.000 You know, Michael McVay or whatever the guy's name, the Oklahoma boss.

00:10:44.000 Timothy McVay.

00:10:45.000 Yeah.

00:10:46.000 They punish these people.

00:10:48.000 But then they start to define, well, you know what?

00:10:51.000 If you're someone who believes that there might have been election fraud, that is something that could provoke people and people who think that the last election wasn't fair.

00:11:01.000 You know, these people could be dangerous.

00:11:03.000 So we can't let anybody on television who says they doubt the election.

00:11:07.000 Although this is kind of new, because you remember Hillary Clinton kept saying that the election against her was hijacked.

00:11:12.000 She was saying that up until a couple of weeks ago, that the election where she lost was unfair and hijacked and Trump was illegitimate.

00:11:20.000 The Russians got Trump in.

00:11:22.000 So it was fine for four years against Trump.

00:11:24.000 But now, if there's new legislation, beware what it's going to include.

00:11:28.000 You actually have Democrats saying, well, you know, the Alien and Sedition Acts that John Adams put in that for most of our history, Americans have been taught how horrendous this was to free speech.

00:11:38.000 They put congressmen in jail for speech.

00:11:41.000 It was terrible.

00:11:41.000 It's been universally condemned.

00:11:43.000 There's actually people on the left writing so-called serious essays saying, well, we do, we can't really have completely free speech because there might be misinformation.

00:11:54.000 You know, Katie Curtis saying now that some of us may need to go to debrief and be deprogrammed.

00:12:01.000 And I'm hoping you at least get Soma.

00:12:03.000 I'm not going if there's no Soma.

00:12:05.000 I mean, if you don't get an opiate or something, if you got to go to a camp without opiates, I mean, who wants to go that kind of camp?

00:12:11.000 You know, and I'm just joking, everyone.

00:12:13.000 I'm not really for that.

00:12:14.000 But the thing is, is really, that's what they're talking about.

00:12:18.000 They're actually talking about that some of us need to be deprogrammed because we might spread disinformation.

00:12:24.000 This is very, very dangerous, but it's not brand new.

00:12:27.000 Some of it started with this climate stuff.

00:12:29.000 The climate alarmist started this maybe 10 years ago, and now they've made it so universal that there are programs that already won't have you on.

00:12:38.000 If you say, well, no, I don't think the world's going to end in 10 years.

00:12:42.000 I think there might be some geologic forces.

00:12:45.000 There might be some historical, you know, eon-long forces that have to do with climate as well.

00:12:51.000 It's not just man.

00:12:52.000 It could be nature as well.

00:12:53.000 Oh, no, you're a denier and you might be dangerous.

00:12:58.000 This is, you know, may sound like a dystopian novel, but I am concerned about the legislation that comes.

00:13:04.000 And your viewers should too.

00:13:06.000 We should watch people because, under the guise of something they say is going to protect us, guess what?

00:13:12.000 We might just be losing our liberty.

00:13:13.000 I totally agree.

00:13:14.000 And we've been warning against this.

00:13:15.000 So, final question: what do you think the likelihood of that is?

00:13:19.000 Are you starting to see chatter in the Senate?

00:13:21.000 Are you starting to see legislation possibly be introduced?

00:13:24.000 Because it seems that they've been wanting the surveillance state for quite some time.

00:13:28.000 They want to expand it.

00:13:29.000 They want to potentially use it for political purposes and they want to be able to strengthen their political power.

00:13:36.000 And then, what could people do to possibly stand up against something like that?

00:13:40.000 By all means, call your legislators, email them, do what you can to let them know you're worried.

00:13:46.000 The more we talk about it on podcasts and shows like this, the more a chance we have of fighting back.

00:13:53.000 But don't be naive to think that it just won't happen.

00:13:57.000 It very well could happen.

00:13:58.000 And I think we do need to fight.

00:14:00.000 We need to push.

00:14:01.000 Can you put a Chiron below and say, every time I say fight or any kind of martial term, that I'm really not to be taken literally, but figuratively?

00:14:11.000 All right, because I'm afraid I can get on their list too.

00:14:13.000 You know, what happens?

00:14:14.000 You know, well, no, it's an insane world.

00:14:16.000 It's an insane world that we're living in, and somebody's got to push back.

00:14:20.000 Well, Senator, we joke around about that, but then we're worried.

00:14:23.000 It's actually really serious because all we could do is joke about it because of how scary it is.

00:14:29.000 Because I say a lot, we got to fight for America.

00:14:32.000 We're in a culture war.

00:14:33.000 And I'm thinking to myself, is now all of a sudden someone going to get some sort of FISA warrant because of that?

00:14:39.000 But I think it's also important that when we push back, we talk about Democrat language because there's a lot of very specific inciting language.

00:14:48.000 For example, the Maxine Waters about getting a crowd of people going into restaurants, mobbing people.

00:14:54.000 That was specific exhortations.

00:14:57.000 Her actual quote is even worse than what I just said. 0.99

00:15:00.000 Corey Booker said, get up in their face.

00:15:03.000 Bernie Sanders and others have said the health care plan is the Republican health care plan is you get sick and then you die.

00:15:10.000 These are things that actually did incite violence.

00:15:13.000 All of the violence in our cities, you got that crazy mayor out in Seattle saying, oh, you know, half of our city's burning and they're taking over blocks of their city and they have anarchy.

00:15:23.000 And she says, oh, it's just the summer of love.

00:15:26.000 Did she incite or encourage those people by saying, we're not going to send the police after you because we're just going to treat this as a summer of love?

00:15:34.000 I think the more we mention the hypocrisy, the more people scratch their head because if violence, if somehow people on the right who encourage people to do something, they're going to define as violence.

00:15:46.000 What about the left?

00:15:47.000 And so eventually saner heads will be, and there are some good people.

00:15:51.000 There are some good people from the left.

00:15:53.000 Glenn Greenwald's one who is very who I think is very worried about civil liberties.

00:16:00.000 And he's been talking about this and not in a Republican-Democrat way.

00:16:04.000 He talks about it in that either party could take away your liberty and promise you that, oh, we're going after terrorism.

00:16:11.000 And then it takes you a while.

00:16:12.000 And then before you figure it out, you've been labeled the terrorist that they're going after.

00:16:17.000 I totally agree.

00:16:19.000 It's very scary.

00:16:20.000 Well, Senator, thank you for your courage.

00:16:22.000 And I think we're going to be talking again because my guess is that one of these surveillance bills is going to be popping up very soon in the Senate, especially with the new leadership.

00:16:30.000 And you getting out in front of it and getting our other Republican colleagues, hopefully, not to support it is super important.

00:16:38.000 There's other things I want to talk to you about.

00:16:39.000 I just want to thank you one last thing.

00:16:40.000 Thank you for protecting the filibuster because when you fought to keep the filibuster in place under Trump when it was tempting, look how happy we are right now.

00:16:48.000 It's a safeguard for liberty.

00:16:49.000 So I want to thank you for that.

00:16:50.000 You're one of the few senators that really spoke out against it.

00:16:53.000 And Manchin and Kirsten Cinema are now doing the right thing, thankfully.

00:16:57.000 And so that's going to hopefully slow down the process a little bit and stop their totalitarian impulses.

00:17:02.000 So, Senator, thank you so much.

00:17:04.000 We really appreciate it.

00:17:04.000 And thanks for all you do for our country.

00:17:08.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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00:17:22.000 God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - January 28, 2021

FLASH Episode with Senator Rand Paul

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