The Charlie Kirk Show - Fleeing to Florida with Josie Glabach

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00:00:00.000 Today in the Charlie Kirk Show, a full hour with the red-headed libertarian, Josie Glayback.

00:00:07.000 Very smart woman, talks about how the state, the regime in Massachusetts, went after her kid.

00:00:13.000 She's a libertarian.

00:00:14.000 I am not, but we certainly agree on this issue and a lot.

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00:01:20.000 This hour, we have a very interesting guest, someone I'm excited to talk to, Josie Glayback, otherwise known as the red-hatted libertarian from TimCast.com.

00:01:29.000 Josie, welcome to the program.

00:01:31.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:01:32.000 Thanks for having me.

00:01:34.000 So tell us about your story and tell us what you believe and why you believe it.

00:01:39.000 And then we'll talk about more from there.

00:01:41.000 So my story, I got into the libertarian spectrum.

00:01:41.000 Sure.

00:01:46.000 I kind of always was a libertarian, maybe starting in 2012.

00:01:51.000 And I got onto Twitter around 2017, 2018 in that time and kind of just started developing into who I was and kind of seeing a cultural shift that I didn't really agree with.

00:02:05.000 And I was living in Massachusetts at the time.

00:02:08.000 And that was when the pandemic happened and everything.

00:02:11.000 And I was seeing some stuff with the trans agenda that was happening in my life.

00:02:17.000 And it was starting to come more into my life than I wanted it to come into regarding my children.

00:02:22.000 And one thing happened after another thing happened after another.

00:02:25.000 And I just said, okay, this is it.

00:02:27.000 And moved to Florida.

00:02:29.000 So now I'm a libertarian living in Florida and just rolling, rolling with emotions.

00:02:35.000 Very cool.

00:02:35.000 Were you a liberal before you were a libertarian?

00:02:39.000 I didn't know what I was.

00:02:41.000 Around the time of September 11th, I was pretty conservative given what had happened, you know, and I was in high school at the time and I just wanted justice, what I thought was justice.

00:02:55.000 And then around that time, living in Massachusetts, there's a lot of liberal influence.

00:03:00.000 So I was kind of bombarded with that at the same time, but nothing really seemed to fit who I was until I found the Ron Paul Revolution around 2012.

00:03:10.000 So you got a follow from Elon Musk.

00:03:13.000 Normally I wouldn't really call out a Twitter following, but how did that happen?

00:03:16.000 Tell us about it.

00:03:19.000 Elon Musk has been sort of engaging with me on cultural issues for the last maybe four or five months regarding the trans agenda, regarding masculinity, femininity, that sort of stuff, which is stuff that I touch on a lot on my account.

00:03:36.000 And this recent one really made headlines.

00:03:42.000 So I had just quoted a story about Ron DeSantis and how he banned sex changes for children in the state of Florida, which is my state, which is wonderful.

00:03:53.000 And Elon Musk saw it and he responded that anybody who sterilizes a non-consenting adult, a child, needs to go to prison forever.

00:04:04.000 And this picked up probably almost, oh gosh, maybe 750,000 likes on that, just his response to me.

00:04:13.000 And he followed me right after that.

00:04:15.000 Well, that's something.

00:04:16.000 So let's talk about that.

00:04:18.000 So as a libertarian, you know, I'll certainly agree with you on guns and privacy issues, but I'm not a libertarian.

00:04:24.000 I used to be and I have big disagreements, libertarians a lot.

00:04:28.000 But the trans thing, a lot of libertarians are okay with it.

00:04:32.000 How did you get to your opinion?

00:04:33.000 How do you reconcile that with your libertarian views?

00:04:37.000 I am of the opinion that a consenting adult can do whatever they want with their bodies.

00:04:42.000 That's none of my business.

00:04:44.000 I'm seeing a trend of them coming for children.

00:04:48.000 And children cannot consent.

00:04:50.000 They cannot have informed consent.

00:04:52.000 Their brains aren't developed that way.

00:04:54.000 We've known this for decades, if not centuries, that children are too immature to consent.

00:05:00.000 That's why they don't gamble.

00:05:02.000 They don't drink.

00:05:03.000 They can't enlist.

00:05:05.000 They can't smoke.

00:05:07.000 There's all these rules we have regarding children, but suddenly children are mature enough to agree to be sterilized, to have top surgery where they have healthy body parts cut off.

00:05:18.000 And these are children and they'll try to say, no, this isn't happening.

00:05:21.000 It happens to children as young as 13 years old at Boston Children's Hospital.

00:05:24.000 We know this.

00:05:26.000 Yeah.

00:05:27.000 And so the yet the left seem very upset about it and are defending.

00:05:34.000 Where do you think that comes from?

00:05:38.000 I think there's a long game here.

00:05:41.000 I believe that there's four different parts to this agenda.

00:05:45.000 Okay.

00:05:46.000 There's the big pharma, the depopulation, the political goals, and then the cultural goals.

00:05:51.000 So they're targeting children right now because children are the next generation and they're tweens.

00:05:58.000 And so they've got like another 70 years left on this earth to say.

00:06:03.000 And they're going to make them permanent fixtures in big pharma, permanent clients of big pharma.

00:06:10.000 And we saw the demonic toxicity of what big pharma is capable of during the pandemic.

00:06:16.000 So they're creating a generation permanently dependent on drugs and surgeries.

00:06:23.000 Then there's depopulation.

00:06:25.000 And we know that a lot of what they're doing is sterilizing children.

00:06:32.000 That's a lot of what these drugs do is sterilize these children. 0.52

00:06:35.000 And then we also know that 40% will attempt suicide.

00:06:38.000 And I don't know how many succeed out of that, but many of them who detransition, like Chloe, Chloe Cole, for instance, she didn't have any suicidal ideations until after she started her transition. 0.69

00:06:53.000 So it's creating suicidal children on top of this.

00:06:56.000 So we have children who are living less length of life and who are not having children.

00:07:04.000 So there's a pre-depopulation agenda happening here.

00:07:07.000 Political goals is creating a permanent class of hysterical victims.

00:07:12.000 Left-wing voters in expanding federal government power, infringing on 9A and 10A.

00:07:18.000 And then the cultural goals is this obfuscation of male and female adult and child. 0.89

00:07:25.000 And a lot of this is cultural Marxism.

00:07:29.000 Marx wrote in the Communist Manifesto, his guidelines on how to overthrow a country.

00:07:34.000 And that is to destabilize it through destabilizing, like erasing its history, overthrowing families and religion and eternal truths is another big one.

00:07:45.000 Borders.

00:07:46.000 It's all of that.

00:07:47.000 And all of this is happening.

00:07:48.000 And I believe that the trans agenda and the exploitation of empathy by people who don't really know any better is the church and horse for this cultural Marxism. 0.95

00:07:58.000 So some libertarians, do you think that there is any connection between the trans ideology and going after children?

00:08:08.000 And that's where some libertarians, as you would say, it's nothing about your own body.

00:08:12.000 But shouldn't we call out the ideology itself?

00:08:15.000 The downstream effect is obviously the castration of children.

00:08:21.000 But the upstream source, I would argue, is that we allowed a mental delusion to become a popular idea pathogen.

00:08:30.000 What would your thoughts on that be?

00:08:33.000 What's complicated about it is gender dysphoria is a thing.

00:08:38.000 And it's a very, it is minor.

00:08:41.000 It is almost immeasurable in a small way.

00:08:48.000 Something like 0.0025% of the population.

00:08:51.000 It's ridiculous how small it is.

00:08:53.000 And these people exist.

00:08:54.000 But what happens is the cultural Marxists saw a way to gain power by creating this, like a rite of passage for children, essentially, to become trans.

00:09:08.000 And so the adults that are pushing this on to children should absolutely be called out.

00:09:14.000 And the way that you can see the difference is the adults that actually have gender dysphoria, they just want to pass. 0.60

00:09:23.000 They just want to fit in.

00:09:24.000 They just want to be whatever gender they feel they are and just live their lives. 1.00

00:09:30.000 Those who have like a fetish or a solipsism of it, those people want to stand out, like Dylan Mulvaney, for instance.

00:09:40.000 They need to stand out.

00:09:42.000 And that's not typical of gender dysphoria.

00:09:47.000 People who want attention for it.

00:09:49.000 And also they, them, non-binary, that's not gender dysphoria either, because people are gender dysphoric when they feel like one gender or the other, not when they feel like a family.

00:09:57.000 Julia, what you're saying is interesting.

00:09:59.000 You're saying that there's a new phenomenon that uses elements of gender dysphoria, but it's something much more narcissistic and sociopathic almost. 0.62

00:10:09.000 It's beyond struggling with a delusion of your own identity.

00:10:14.000 And that's interesting.

00:10:15.000 So because they're conflating the two.

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00:11:25.000 So I want to just kind of zero in on one point that I think is interesting.

00:11:30.000 The emphasis on children, super important.

00:11:33.000 But for example, would you support laws that would say that men shouldn't compete in NCAA sports?

00:11:40.000 That's not children, that's adults.

00:11:42.000 What would your perspective on that be?

00:11:46.000 I believe that that infringes on the rights of women. 1.00

00:11:50.000 So that's a separate issue for me.

00:11:52.000 And I would absolutely support a law that keeps men out of women's faces because there is so much danger that is attached to that. 0.99

00:12:01.000 I mean, not even not even taking championships and medals and records away from women.

00:12:10.000 It's men in the locker rooms with the women. 0.99

00:12:14.000 And many of them, just men, fully intact men, stripping in front of women and women not consenting to seeing any of that.

00:12:23.000 So that's a different issue.

00:12:24.000 And I absolutely support it.

00:12:26.000 That's good.

00:12:28.000 So I want to ask about your child.

00:12:32.000 My producer said they were dialoguing with you in the break that you moved and it saved your child's life.

00:12:37.000 They were going after your child.

00:12:39.000 So talk about how you were able to prevent your kid from being infected with the trans social contagion. 1.00

00:12:46.000 Sure.

00:12:47.000 So we were in Massachusetts, which is heavily, heavily infiltrated with the trans agenda.

00:12:54.000 And my sweet daughter was told at 10 by her friends that she was gay because of how she dressed.

00:13:01.000 She was a tomboy. 1.00

00:13:03.000 And she was told she was gay.

00:13:04.000 And so she tried to come out to me at 10 years old saying, mom, I think I'm gay.

00:13:09.000 And so as her mother, I actually laughed because she's been writing boys' names with hearts around them on the mirror since she was six years old.

00:13:17.000 So I like my instinct was just to laugh.

00:13:19.000 And then I looked at her and I realized she was like, she was serious.

00:13:23.000 And I was like, okay, do you have a crush on any girls?

00:13:27.000 And she goes, no.

00:13:28.000 And I'm like, then, then why, why do you think you're gay?

00:13:32.000 And she's like, well, my friends told me it's because of how I'm dressing.

00:13:37.000 And she, you know, dressed kind of like a boy.

00:13:39.000 She always wore a backward snapback hat and sweatpants and like a loose fitting shirt. 0.88

00:13:46.000 And she skateboarded and she's excellent at sports.

00:13:48.000 She's terrific.

00:13:49.000 She could be in the Olympics someday. 0.88

00:13:51.000 She's so good at them. 0.56

00:13:52.000 But she was told very young by friends that how she dressed was because she was gay.

00:13:58.000 And I told her, I'm like, all right, well, I know you're not as your mother.

00:14:02.000 Just your habits.

00:14:03.000 Like you weren't, you weren't writing Sally in a heart on the mirror.

00:14:07.000 You know, you were writing boys' names.

00:14:10.000 So as your mother, we'll talk about this when you're older, but I don't want you to even worry about it or think about it now.

00:14:15.000 And she said, okay.

00:14:16.000 And then I get a letter from somebody, an adult.

00:14:22.000 I'll just say an adult in her life.

00:14:25.000 And they were referring to her as a they, them.

00:14:29.000 It took me a little while to read, to figure out what they were saying, because it sounded like they were talking about a group of people, because they would switch from the they, then pronouns to the she, her pronouns and just them both, and so I actually wrote them back.

00:14:45.000 When I figured out what was going on, I was like, did my daughter tell you to use those pronouns on her?

00:14:51.000 And she goes, no, I didn't want to assume so there were adult forces that were Coming down on her about being non-binary.

00:15:01.000 And I'd asked her if this had happened in her school at all.

00:15:06.000 And she said it had happened, but she didn't know how to speak out against it.

00:15:10.000 Like she's, you know, it wasn't a big deal.

00:15:11.000 She just kind of brushed it off.

00:15:13.000 And I was like, all right, well, it's a big deal to me.

00:15:16.000 And there are a lot of issues that have been happening at the same time.

00:15:20.000 Like I said, the pandemic wasn't handled properly by my state.

00:15:23.000 She has she, my daughter that I'm talking about, she has a one in a million condition where her immune system breaks her bones. 1.00

00:15:30.000 And that was being treated in Boston.

00:15:32.000 And there were issues going on there where they were trying to force the vaccine on her.

00:15:37.000 And this disease she has was an mRNA vaccine, an mRNA disease. 0.98

00:15:42.000 So they were trying to force this vaccine on her at the same time.

00:15:45.000 So it was like coming from us at all different angles.

00:15:48.000 And it just got to the point where we were just like, we got to save our kids.

00:15:52.000 This is not going to stop.

00:15:53.000 It's going to start going for my younger children too.

00:15:56.000 It starts list.

00:15:58.000 And so, I mean, I was looking at houses in January.

00:16:01.000 We were moved by March of last year.

00:16:03.000 And you moved to Florida.

00:16:05.000 Moved to Florida.

00:16:06.000 And I got here.

00:16:06.000 Yes.

00:16:10.000 And there's no trans agenda here.

00:16:13.000 Like my kids are in a great school.

00:16:15.000 There's no pressure of that at all.

00:16:19.000 They're not having to deal with it in the school.

00:16:22.000 Ron DeSantis has put up protections about things like that.

00:16:26.000 Non-existent, which is incredible.

00:16:29.000 It's like living in a different world from Massachusetts, where a month ago they were going to start remasking.

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00:18:05.000 Okay, I want to play a couple pieces of tape here and continue to explore this topic.

00:18:11.000 But let me ask you, though, you're talking about your child who is basically being preyed on, who is being groomed by parents, by other parents or other adults.

00:18:21.000 Is it fair to say, is it accurate to say that in some communities, Massachusetts, New York, that there are groups of elders, people that should not do this, but that are going after children, trying to influence their sexual identity and behavior.

00:18:35.000 Is that fair to say?

00:18:37.000 Absolutely fair to say.

00:18:41.000 I mean, I had mentioned earlier Dylan Mulvaney, if you want to talk about that, what's happening there, I have a different take on it than I've heard around The fact of the matter is Dylan Mulvaney, he is a man who actually LARPs as a girl, not a woman.

00:18:59.000 And this is evident by his, he has this video series he does called something.

00:19:05.000 Eloise video series.

00:19:06.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:19:07.000 Girlhood.

00:19:09.000 So now take it that he represents adult products like beer and tampons, which aren't something an 11-year-old girl would use.

00:19:19.000 So if you look at it through the eyes of the left and what they believe, he is a sexualized child who is representing these brands.

00:19:30.000 And he's either marketing to children, which would circumvent all the existing laws that are meant to prevent this, or he's marketing to adults as a sexualized child, which blurs the lines involving things like consent and pedophilia.

00:19:45.000 Now, since you brought that up, do you think that we're going to have to have the same sort of culture fights with pedophilia sometime soon?

00:19:53.000 I mean, is that where we're headed?

00:19:55.000 Is that a conspiracy theory?

00:19:58.000 Not at all.

00:19:59.000 That's absolutely where we're headed.

00:20:01.000 And it goes all the way to the trans agenda with my body, my choice, abortion, everything.

00:20:08.000 It all loops back to age.

00:20:11.000 So the trans agenda is saying that a 13-year-old child can consent to have her healthy breasts removed. 0.85

00:20:19.000 That's what the trans agenda says. 0.56

00:20:21.000 But she can't consent to smoking a cigarette. 1.00

00:20:25.000 Yep.

00:20:25.000 Things with far less lasting consequences than we're being lectured right now, Josie, about people on the left.

00:20:33.000 They say, oh, you should not be able to own a weapon until you're 25.

00:20:37.000 And meanwhile, when you're 14, you can have without your parental consent, without parental consent.

00:20:45.000 So we're going to, look, we're seeing the rise of the pedophiles already, and we're seeing them get stronger, and we see them gaining steam, not losing steam.

00:20:53.000 There's an accelerant behind it.

00:20:54.000 I want to play some pieces of tape here, which I think is really important.

00:20:58.000 I want to reemphasize that I said at the break.

00:21:00.000 Okay, I'm a conservative libertarian.

00:21:02.000 We agree on a lot, but this is honestly beyond anything.

00:21:06.000 This is civilizational.

00:21:07.000 I don't understand anybody who could support this.

00:21:10.000 I've met them.

00:21:11.000 They're groomers.

00:21:11.000 They're creeps.

00:21:12.000 Some of them are perverts. 0.99

00:21:14.000 Let's play cut 29. 0.97

00:21:15.000 And this is not just, this is what I get sometimes from people.

00:21:18.000 People will say, well, Charlie, this is just, why does this impact me?

00:21:22.000 This is an ideological debate.

00:21:24.000 What do you have against trans people?

00:21:25.000 Well, let's look at this right here.

00:21:27.000 This is now legislation.

00:21:28.000 And Josie, you know this.

00:21:30.000 In Washington, they are able to now kidnap your child.

00:21:32.000 Not an exaggeration.

00:21:33.000 It's not a hyperbole.

00:21:35.000 I'm not doing this to get clicks.

00:21:37.000 They're now, and it's happening in California too, maybe, to kidnap your child.

00:21:41.000 Play cut 29.

00:21:43.000 The microaggressions, the language of parents.

00:21:48.000 I really wish more parents had the skills that the parents who are in this room talking about how they would want to affirm their children, but say no.

00:21:58.000 I wish more parents had that.

00:22:01.000 But when I see a young person come to me on a regular basis saying, I can't go home.

00:22:08.000 Home is not safe.

00:22:10.000 Am I not going to do something?

00:22:14.000 Are we not going to do something?

00:22:16.000 Am I going to let them stay out on the street, homeless, at risk?

00:22:22.000 All because they can't go home to a place where we don't know what those threats are going to actually be.

00:22:30.000 And that's a lot of buzzwords, but if you listen very carefully with what she's saying, she's effectively saying that parents who do not affirm the mental delusion of a 12-year-old or a 13-year-old.

00:22:41.000 For example, a 12-year-old comes home after seeing a TikTok video being around parents, and they're very impressionable, as per your point.

00:22:46.000 Their brains are still developing.

00:22:48.000 They're open to other people's social cues.

00:22:50.000 They are trying to conform to try to limit bullying amongst themselves.

00:22:53.000 At age of 12, they might say, Mom, I'm a boy.

00:22:58.000 And if the parent says, no, you're not, like you did, like you said, no, actually, you're not, you could be subject to the government coming, and this is now Assembly Bill 665.

00:23:08.000 The government can come take the child away, child protective services, kidnapping bill.

00:23:12.000 Children as young as 12 would be given the power to place themselves in residential shelters with the help of a counselor.

00:23:18.000 Your thoughts?

00:23:20.000 That makes my skin crawl.

00:23:22.000 And that is something that had crossed my mind that could happen if I didn't save my children from mass.

00:23:29.000 That's something that had crossed my mind, which it's unthinkable.

00:23:36.000 It's unthinkable to me, just as a mother, seeing what was happening, seeing what was coming from my children.

00:23:41.000 A lot of what they're doing is this obfuscation of consent and what children can consent to with their bodies.

00:23:50.000 The things they can consent to with their bodies are a lot of it is the refusal of the things that they already can't consent to.

00:24:00.000 Like a child has the power to say, no, I don't want to have sex.

00:24:04.000 No, I don't want to do drugs.

00:24:05.000 No, I don't want to take alcohol.

00:24:07.000 And that's where their power is.

00:24:09.000 But they're trying to say that they can also say, yes, I want to do those things and they can't.

00:24:16.000 Yeah, and it really asks the question of who do kids belong to, right?

00:24:19.000 Now, some extreme libertarians, which you are not, will say, oh, when they're 14 or 15 or 16.

00:24:27.000 It's just, that's nonsense, right?

00:24:29.000 Do you have any response to that?

00:24:32.000 I usually drag those people if they come to me and do it on my Twitter account because it sounds like groomer language to me.

00:24:42.000 Child cannot consent to sterilization.

00:24:45.000 And they'll try to say it's not happening, but if it's happening, here's why it's a good thing.

00:24:50.000 Yeah, that's a great piece by Michael Anton.

00:24:53.000 It's not happening, but it's good that it is.

00:24:55.000 It's one of the best pieces written in the last, I don't know if you've read it or not, on American Mind.

00:24:58.000 It's one of the best pieces I've ever read.

00:25:01.000 It's not happening and it's good that it is.

00:25:03.000 I'm sorry, what?

00:25:05.000 Yes, a lot of gaslighting, a lot of gaslighting is happening.

00:25:08.000 But one of the things that they're doing is if you say you're against the transing of children, which I am, they will say, oh, so you're against trans people.

00:25:20.000 And they'll make it about all trans people. 0.51

00:25:23.000 And like I said, I don't really care.

00:25:26.000 I don't care what they do.

00:25:27.000 Like, just stay away from me, stay away from my children.

00:25:30.000 Do what you're going to do with your body.

00:25:32.000 Just leave me out of it, leave my family out of it.

00:25:36.000 So this idea that the state owns your children is not a new idea.

00:25:42.000 I mean, they've let themselves in to be the father in the home.

00:25:46.000 Why not let themselves in to be both parents at this point?

00:25:51.000 That's a great point.

00:25:52.000 All right.

00:25:52.000 I want to play another piece of tape here, which I think is very helpful.

00:25:58.000 Let's go to cut 30. 0.79

00:26:00.000 This is Katie Porter, who's a monster against Bill Maher and Piers Morgan debating.

00:26:06.000 I mean, and here's Katie Porter just saying, oh, I don't like Riley Gaines.

00:26:10.000 I don't know if we have Bill Maher actually in this clip, but this is on Bill Maher, play cut 30.

00:26:16.000 We should be able to have a civil debate.

00:26:17.000 Nobody, including Riley Gaines, who I disagree with strongly, should be a good idea.

00:26:22.000 What do you disagree with out of interest?

00:26:25.000 I think that it should be up to sporting bodies to make the decisions about who they are.

00:26:30.000 What is she said that's actually wrong?

00:26:32.000 I think that what she has done is try to turn this.

00:26:36.000 We talked about people becoming using things to kind of get likes and get clicks.

00:26:41.000 That's not what she's doing.

00:26:43.000 I've got no chunk to broader games personally, but all I've seen her do is stand up for women's rights defenders and equality.

00:26:51.000 Pretty sane.

00:26:52.000 What is Katie Porter agreeing with here?

00:26:54.000 Thoughts?

00:26:56.000 Katie Porter just knows the talking points, but it sounds like she wasn't even up to date on them because she was really her words trying to figure out a way to respond to Piers Morgan.

00:27:07.000 I was actually lucky enough to interview Riley Gaines myself in one of my Twitter spaces.

00:27:12.000 I do those regularly.

00:27:14.000 And it was just incredible listening to her talk about just being a woman and the things that she had to go through.

00:27:22.000 And one of the things I brought up earlier was that they would have to get changed in the same locker room with an exaggeration.

00:27:32.000 It's what happened.

00:27:34.000 And I mean, I was on the swim team, and there's not, there's not a lot of privacy when you're when you're changing with a group of girls, you know, but this is a guy who is a fully equipped guy who was changing with them.

00:27:46.000 And they didn't consent to that.

00:27:47.000 And it felt like a violation because he would be looking at them.

00:27:52.000 And he, I, I don't, I don't blame her.

00:27:57.000 If it were happening to my child, even if she were an adult, I'd feel I'd feel violated for them and I'd want to fight it too.

00:28:05.000 But there's just, there's no pathway with that now.

00:28:08.000 She is forging the way to fight this.

00:28:12.000 Yes, she is.

00:28:13.000 And we're going to continue to bring her to Turning Point USA groups.

00:28:16.000 We just have, I think we have one with her tonight, if I'm not mistaken.

00:28:19.000 We had one with her last week and we had one with her the week before.

00:28:23.000 So let me ask you a question here.

00:28:25.000 There is a libertarian philosophy, libertarian political party, and then there's a libertarian attitude.

00:28:30.000 Libertarian attitude, I actually think, is the most appealing if we actually have the society organized correctly, which is I'm not really going to care about your business.

00:28:38.000 Please don't care about mine.

00:28:40.000 I think that attitude is actually very appealing.

00:28:41.000 I think a lot of the founding fathers cared about that, not an overly invasive state.

00:28:46.000 We're past that.

00:28:47.000 Like that, that country is really dead.

00:28:48.000 Okay.

00:28:49.000 But the worst part of the libertarian attitude is I don't care, therefore, I won't do anything about it.

00:28:57.000 Is what I'm saying making sense?

00:28:58.000 Can you challenge that sort of belief of some people that say, it doesn't bother me, it doesn't impact me.

00:29:04.000 Does it?

00:29:04.000 And if so, what should they do?

00:29:06.000 If you're a parent, which many are, it impacts you because your children are their target.

00:29:13.000 And so, yes, this is this is our fight to stop it, to expose it, to get to a red state, because I believe the way forward is going to be 50 sovereign states that almost look like separate countries. 0.79

00:29:26.000 I believe it's federalism as the way forward.

00:29:29.000 And we're seeing that kind of unfold now.

00:29:32.000 California looks like a different country from Florida.

00:29:35.000 And it feels like a different country.

00:29:37.000 Yeah.

00:29:39.000 And you'd want to just, you used to want to go to Florida for the weather.

00:29:43.000 Now you want to go there because their governor is not an absolute tyrant.

00:29:47.000 So it's.

00:29:48.000 Well, and I just want to ask for people that might think we're being, we're exaggerating here, let me ask a question.

00:29:55.000 Was it ever the time in American history since the Civil War where you had to leave one state so that you didn't think your child was going to lose their identity or their life?

00:30:05.000 That's what happened with your kid.

00:30:07.000 That's very powerful.

00:30:09.000 Right?

00:30:10.000 Has it ever been so bad where, okay, I mean, I have to literally leave a state because I'm afraid for the well-being of my child?

00:30:19.000 We almost lost the whole states' rights foundation of our country.

00:30:24.000 Nobody was really thinking about separate states even 10 years ago.

00:30:28.000 Like a state was just.

00:30:31.000 It was just kind of a construct, right?

00:30:32.000 Oh, maybe different tax rates or different gambling laws.

00:30:35.000 Now it's about survival.

00:30:36.000 Praise God for our founding fathers, truly.

00:30:39.000 Check out the red-headed libertarian, also Tim Kest, great program, one of my favorites.

00:30:44.000 Okay, I want to try to find a piece of tape here that I think is important about this.

00:30:50.000 We had the child kidnapping one, but okay, let's go this direction.

00:30:54.000 So, I want to ask you, Josie, the attitude that is necessary to defeat this.

00:31:00.000 I mean, in Massachusetts, when you left, what percentage of parents in these totalitarian blue states do you think actually support this, or they just are so gullible, weak, or cowardly?

00:31:12.000 I can't imagine that this trans agenda is overwhelmingly popular.

00:31:16.000 Am I missing something?

00:31:17.000 It's very popular in Massachusetts.

00:31:20.000 It's very popular.

00:31:21.000 And a lot of people, it comes to like a moral superiority, which people up in Massachusetts are pretty smug.

00:31:30.000 But this comes down to this is the right thing.

00:31:33.000 It's the morally right thing to do.

00:31:35.000 And there's that was the vibe that I got when I lived up there for sure.

00:31:42.000 You really can't speak out against it.

00:31:44.000 Were you raised in Massachusetts?

00:31:46.000 My whole life, yes.

00:31:47.000 Wow.

00:31:48.000 Okay.

00:31:48.000 So that's, I mean, I was raised in Illinois and I see something similar.

00:31:52.000 And that's interesting.

00:31:53.000 So amongst kind of parents in Boston and the suburbs of Boston, when their, you know, 13-year-old comes back trans, it's like a celebration or something.

00:32:06.000 I mean, is it kind of like a, is it like a secular bar mitzvah?

00:32:10.000 It's probably, it's probably like some cognitive dissonance, would be my guess, because, you know, you're supposed to welcome this, but I can't imagine being a parent and willfully being like, okay, I guess this is your life now, and let's just accept it.

00:32:29.000 I believe it would be my belief that they'd be like, oh my God, this happened to me.

00:32:32.000 This happened to my family.

00:32:33.000 This happened to my kid.

00:32:35.000 So there are some that are just more than willing to.

00:32:38.000 There are my middle daughter went to school with a they, them who was nine years old. 1.00

00:32:43.000 There are parents who do it to their children too.

00:32:47.000 There's Munchausen's by Proxy is how I look at it when children are young enough and it's before peer pressure from their friends.

00:32:54.000 It's coming from their parents.

00:32:55.000 And that was a pretty popular thing up in Massachusetts.

00:32:58.000 Yeah, I just want to re-emphasize the point: going from one state to the other for survival of your child.

00:33:06.000 I think you're right.

00:33:07.000 I mean, I hope you're wrong.

00:33:08.000 I think you're right.

00:33:09.000 We are headed back towards a smaller form of government, more local, more accountable.

00:33:14.000 Is it going to be a coalition in states?

00:33:16.000 Will it be more states' rights?

00:33:17.000 But can you just riff on that?

00:33:18.000 As a libertarian, you must be excited that at least we still have some semblance of sovereignty and differences.

00:33:24.000 It would probably have been ultimately depressing if you went from Massachusetts to Florida and it's just as trans, just as totalitarian, and the weather's nicer, but it's not. 1.00

00:33:33.000 You're actually saying it's a different worldview.

00:33:37.000 Absolutely. 1.00

00:33:38.000 I believe that the 10th Amendment was a fail-safe that Madison wrote into where it said it essentially can overrule the U.S. Congress on their stupid rules and their stupid laws. 1.00

00:33:57.000 And federalism is so, so important. 1.00

00:34:00.000 And a lot of times when I bring it up, the first pushback that I get is, oh, so you're racist.

00:34:06.000 Because like they said, the last time we really used federalism was during the Civil War.

00:34:12.000 And we're in our own kind of civil war right now.

00:34:14.000 So yeah, you know, not racist.

00:34:16.000 I'm just trying to save my kid.

00:34:20.000 And that's the most tribal of all instincts, or the most primal, actually, not tribal, most prime, I mean, it's fundamental to existence.

00:34:26.000 And I want to applaud you for speaking out about it.

00:34:29.000 If we can't defend children, there's three types of people, right?

00:34:31.000 There's infants, the protectors of infants, and predators.

00:34:34.000 And right now, we elevate predators as teachers and groomers and heads of our society.

00:34:38.000 You had a great tweet where you said predators and pedophiles used to be priests and in those, but now they're in other places.

00:34:44.000 They still, some of them still might be priests, but now they're widespread.

00:34:48.000 Closing thoughts, one minute remaining, Josie.

00:34:53.000 I believe that if you are in a blue state, you need to get to a red state.

00:35:00.000 This is the way forward is states' rights.

00:35:02.000 And it's not going to get easier in the blue states.

00:35:05.000 You're not going to turn your blue state red.

00:35:07.000 You're not.

00:35:08.000 There's no hope.

00:35:09.000 There really isn't.

00:35:10.000 And I know that's kind of nihilistic, but trust me, I lived it.

00:35:13.000 I lived through a state that gradually got more blue and more blue, and I had to flee.

00:35:17.000 So if you have the means to flee, to go to a red state, do it. 0.97

00:35:22.000 Save your family.

00:35:23.000 That's your, your children are the most important thing in this world.

00:35:27.000 I agree.

00:35:28.000 And I said this.

00:35:29.000 I was just talking to a friend of mine from Illinois, and he texted me during the show.

00:35:34.000 He said, honestly, if I was raising my kids 10 years ago, because 10 years ago, he said, I would go to Florida.

00:35:39.000 I would not raise my kids today in Illinois.

00:35:43.000 God bless you, Josie.

00:35:44.000 Thank you for joining us.

00:35:46.000 Red-headed libertarian, very important voice.

00:35:48.000 Thank you so much.

00:35:49.000 Thank you for having me, Charlie.

00:35:51.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:53.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:55.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 18, 2023

Fleeing to Florida with Josie Glabach

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