The Charlie Kirk Show - June 18, 2021


For Such a Time As This—Behind the Scenes at the Trump White House With Kayleigh McEnany


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Former White House Press Secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, joins us for an exclusive conversation about her time in the White House. She talks about the double standards of the press corps, and the lack of morality in the activist news corps.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show, Kayleigh McEnany, former White House press secretary, good friend of mine, an exclusive conversation about her time in the White House.
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00:02:13.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this very special episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:17.000 With us today is a friend of mine that I've known for quite a while.
00:02:20.000 Yes.
00:02:21.000 All the way back from Varney and Company days on Fox Business Network.
00:02:24.000 That's right.
00:02:25.000 Kaylee McEnany.
00:02:26.000 Kaylee, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:28.000 Good to be here.
00:02:28.000 Thank you.
00:02:29.000 Thank you.
00:02:30.000 I think you have spoken at every single young women's leadership summit.
00:02:32.000 Yes, I have, and I've loved every moment.
00:02:34.000 I mean, I was a young girl who loved politics.
00:02:38.000 I was a bit peculiar.
00:02:39.000 I was a second grader, like doing cheers for Bob Dole in the playground.
00:02:42.000 So, you know, it was a bit of an oddity at second grade.
00:02:45.000 And I never knew there were other women like me who loved politics and wasn't so much of an oddity, but I was just a young woman who was motivated by politics.
00:02:51.000 And to see these young women who remind me of myself, it's just really cool.
00:02:54.000 I wish I would have had this outlet back when I was young.
00:02:56.000 Well, you're probably the most demanded speaker here.
00:03:00.000 And so it is going to be packed and packed and packed.
00:03:03.000 And we put you at the last day for a reason.
00:03:06.000 And no one would leave early.
00:03:08.000 But so let's walk.
00:03:09.000 There's a lot of things I want to explore with you.
00:03:10.000 First, just tell our audience your story because it's pretty amazing from getting into politics and then becoming press secretary for the White House and not just press secretary, I don't know, during normal, boring times.
00:03:24.000 No, you were press secretary during lockdowns, virus, Fauci, the race issue during every, I mean, you were press secretary during probably one of the most people would say chaotic moments in American history.
00:03:38.000 Yeah, I think it is certainly the most chaotic, aberrational period in American history.
00:03:42.000 There's no doubt.
00:03:43.000 I mean, I'll never forget getting the job.
00:03:45.000 We had all locked down.
00:03:46.000 I was actually locked out in Florida.
00:03:48.000 Not so bad to be locked down at the beach.
00:03:49.000 I will say that.
00:03:51.000 But we were crossing a bridge and I remember getting a call and you've gotten a call from the White House.
00:03:55.000 I'm sure it's like an odd set of numbers.
00:03:57.000 I answered and said, This is President Trump.
00:03:59.000 And normally he would call me and just say, Oh, good job in a media interview.
00:04:02.000 I was with his campaign at the time.
00:04:03.000 But instead, he said, Do you want to be my press secretary?
00:04:06.000 And it came out of nowhere.
00:04:07.000 And I said, Well, of course I do.
00:04:09.000 And he said, Mark, get it done.
00:04:10.000 And presumably that was Mark Meadows who had just taken the job.
00:04:13.000 And, you know, it took a few weeks, but I ended up getting the job.
00:04:16.000 And it was just absolutely incredible to think about taking the podium during COVID-19.
00:04:22.000 Americans didn't know what this virus was like.
00:04:24.000 There's a lot of misinformation out there by St. Anthony Fauci and others.
00:04:29.000 And it was a pretty cool experience.
00:04:30.000 I had to lean on God quite a bit because I couldn't have done it myself.
00:04:33.000 So, what date did you take over the press secretary position?
00:04:36.000 Oh, that's a good question.
00:04:37.000 I know it was, I think it was April 13th, I believe.
00:04:40.000 Yes, it was like Friday.
00:04:41.000 Right in the middle of all of this.
00:04:43.000 Right in the middle, yes.
00:04:44.000 Yeah.
00:04:44.000 A few days before my birthday.
00:04:45.000 And I went in and they were doing these COVID task force briefings.
00:04:48.000 You probably remember them.
00:04:50.000 The president flanked by Fauci and Burks and others.
00:04:53.000 And I came into that.
00:04:54.000 I didn't know if I would ever give a briefing.
00:04:55.000 It had been 400 days since there had ever been a briefing from a press secretary.
00:04:59.000 And then one day he just looked at me and said, Kaylee, start briefing.
00:05:02.000 And I thought I would have, you know, a week or so to prepare.
00:05:05.000 And he said, do it before Friday.
00:05:06.000 And this was on Thursday.
00:05:08.000 So I had about a 24-hour period, but we got it done.
00:05:11.000 So the normal succession to become press secretary is you work in kind of the White House press shop as deputy press secretary.
00:05:19.000 This is not, I'm not that there's not anything normal or whatever.
00:05:22.000 It's just that, and then you kind of see how these briefings work.
00:05:25.000 But you came from the campaign, if I remember correctly, which was not necessarily low profile, lots of TV experience, you know, experience and all that.
00:05:33.000 And then you get put right into this.
00:05:34.000 President Trump says, just go do it.
00:05:36.000 Now, for someone who allegedly hates women, they find that really bizarre. 0.99
00:05:39.000 Like, you know, go represent our entire government, please, on the biggest stage imaginable.
00:05:44.000 And you handled yourself with such grace and you start, you came up with this amazing thing, the binders.
00:05:49.000 Tell us about the binders and the tabs of all the research.
00:05:52.000 Well, thank you.
00:05:53.000 And, you know, yes, certainly that is the case that you're normally deputy press secretary and you kind of get some institutional knowledge.
00:06:00.000 The only institutional knowledge I had was when I was an intern during the Bush era.
00:06:04.000 And, you know, that wasn't really deep institutional knowledge.
00:06:07.000 So there was a learning curve and I knew that coming into the job.
00:06:10.000 But, you know, I knew I had the preparation.
00:06:12.000 I had gone to Oxford for a year.
00:06:14.000 They have a tutorial system where you read your paper out loud and then the tutor grills you.
00:06:19.000 So you always have to have footnotes.
00:06:20.000 You always have to have facts and be on your toes.
00:06:22.000 And then, of course, I went to CNN where I was an eight-on-one conservative, one conservative.
00:06:28.000 Those ridiculously long panels.
00:06:30.000 So they had to like pan out.
00:06:32.000 And they're like, well, somewhere over there is our conservative.
00:06:34.000 Exactly.
00:06:35.000 And the pummeling you get on those panels prepares you for the White House press briefing room, I think, more than any time being a deputy press secretary could.
00:06:42.000 So you always had to have your facts.
00:06:44.000 And that's how the binder developed.
00:06:45.000 You know, I got the first draft that my team gave me and I said, guys, where are the footnotes?
00:06:50.000 Where are the stats?
00:06:50.000 And my team was great and they quickly rose to the occasion.
00:06:53.000 But, you know, I just demanded the same kind of statistics and work that I did at Oxford and at CNN.
00:07:00.000 And I had a great team around me.
00:07:01.000 So there was 400 days without a press kind of briefing.
00:07:06.000 Is that right?
00:07:06.000 Yes.
00:07:07.000 So they had the coronavirus task force briefings, but it had been 400 days since not my predecessor, Stephanie Grisham, but my predecessor before that, Sarah Sanders.
00:07:15.000 So we had been through another press secretary, not had a briefing.
00:07:18.000 And I took the podium for the first time after 400 days.
00:07:21.000 A lot of pressure.
00:07:22.000 You had ravenous wolves of members of the press.
00:07:26.000 Like finally, but then they met their match.
00:07:30.000 And it's, it's, so how does it?
00:07:32.000 This is not a question I ask often, but Barack Obama gets asked this question.
00:07:36.000 How does it make you feel when you see how easy the current press secretary has it?
00:07:41.000 Oh, it's incredible.
00:07:42.000 Look, I mean, I just was yesterday or a few days ago, I was looking through some of the questions from my press briefings, and I just wanted to compare the two side by side, you know, a straight objective comparison.
00:07:52.000 And the questions I found that were posed to the Biden administration were, how's the White House cat?
00:07:57.000 Did the dog, was Biden's dog involved in a biting accident?
00:08:01.000 Is he okay?
00:08:02.000 He was asked, how does it, or Gentaki rather, was asked, how does it feel for Biden to sit in the Oval Office?
00:08:07.000 That's exactly.
00:08:08.000 And then I was asked, is the president happy the South lost the Civil War?
00:08:12.000 That was literally one of the questions I was asked from.
00:08:14.000 Oh, Yamichi?
00:08:15.000 No, it wasn't Yamish.
00:08:16.000 It was actually Ryan Lizza.
00:08:18.000 Oh, that's right on par.
00:08:19.000 That is right on par.
00:08:21.000 I would just love. to have seen, which never would have happened, how the press would have reacted if Donald Trump Jr.'s text messages would have come out filled with the N-word.
00:08:31.000 Do you think you would have gotten a question about that?
00:08:32.000 Oh, there's no doubt about it.
00:08:34.000 There's absolutely no doubt.
00:08:35.000 And to watch the press bury this, just like they did the Hunter Biden story during the campaign, and to see how they were wrong about Lafayette Square, see how they were wrong.
00:08:44.000 You know, they said the president cleared protesters with tear gas to take a photo.
00:08:48.000 That was never the case.
00:08:49.000 I told them that, but they didn't believe me at the time.
00:08:51.000 Now we know the truth.
00:08:52.000 The IG report came out.
00:08:54.000 Same on the origins of COVID and a lab.
00:08:56.000 The president was right on that. 0.79
00:08:58.000 Russian bounties. 0.77
00:08:59.000 He said there was not Russian bounties on the heads of Afghan soldiers or excuse me, American soldiers in Afghanistan. 0.99
00:09:05.000 He was right about that too. 1.00
00:09:06.000 And we told them the truth, and they never believed us.
00:09:09.000 There's been a lot of vindication since I left.
00:09:09.000 It's amazing.
00:09:11.000 Yeah, in the last year, it's been a full propaganda campaign to try to remove Trump.
00:09:16.000 And quite honestly, it worked.
00:09:18.000 And it's too bad because so many Americans are just programmed to kind of live in this place of comfort of the information that's provided to them.
00:09:27.000 And that's just the beginning of it.
00:09:29.000 And the hydroxychloroquine stuff, which has been proven to be right.
00:09:32.000 And the lockdowns, which has been proven to be right.
00:09:32.000 Exactly.
00:09:35.000 And almost every single one of these things, which was called like, you're a bad person.
00:09:39.000 This is a conspiracy theory. 0.99
00:09:40.000 Sit down and shut up. 0.84
00:09:42.000 All of a sudden now is really the media is either forced to admit or there's some sort of study that shows that they were wrong. 0.98
00:09:49.000 And the Lafayette Park one is another good example. 0.97
00:09:51.000 The Loser and Suckers one from the Atlantic story. 0.56
00:09:53.000 We weren't even allowed to talk about the Hunter Biden story. 0.97
00:09:56.000 Yep.
00:09:56.000 And I asked people this question.
00:09:58.000 I said, do you think that Tony Bobulinsky is a household name?
00:10:03.000 Or why is Michael Cohen a household name and not Tony Bobulinsky?
00:10:06.000 Right.
00:10:06.000 And that's because we have an activist press that literally just cares about destroying not just Donald Trump, but his entire political movement.
00:10:14.000 And so a lot of people then get cynical when they start to hear this kind of pattern.
00:10:20.000 They don't feel like, oh, we won.
00:10:22.000 We're on the right side of the argument.
00:10:23.000 They're like, no, we knew this early.
00:10:24.000 How are people supposed to process this?
00:10:26.000 Well, we've got to fight back with the truth.
00:10:28.000 Yeah, it is easy to get cynical.
00:10:29.000 You're exactly right.
00:10:30.000 But we've got to hold them accountable.
00:10:31.000 And that's what I tried to do from the podium, you know, go on offense.
00:10:35.000 My dad said when I went into the administration, come up with a phrase that you want to encapsulate your tenure.
00:10:40.000 And I said, offense only.
00:10:41.000 I'm tired of playing defense.
00:10:42.000 I'm tired of watching Republicans get one version of stories, one set of headlines, and Democrats getting another.
00:10:48.000 And we're going to fact-check the press.
00:10:50.000 So when they asked me about a tweet of mine, I'm going to fact-check some of their headlines in real time.
00:10:55.000 And that's the kind of attitude as Republicans I think we must have.
00:10:58.000 Because you're right, Tony Bobolinski, of course, Hunter Biden's business associate.
00:11:02.000 I said to the press, hey, guys, do me a favor, watch the Tony Bobolinski interview.
00:11:06.000 They agreed.
00:11:07.000 They watched it.
00:11:08.000 I said, what do you think?
00:11:09.000 And this is at the height of the campaign.
00:11:10.000 They go, it was interesting.
00:11:12.000 That's it.
00:11:12.000 Crickets.
00:11:13.000 It was interesting.
00:11:14.000 And now we know the Hunter Biden story was real as Hunter is under federal investigation.
00:11:19.000 Yeah.
00:11:19.000 And I mean, these people are, and I have to really be careful saying this.
00:11:23.000 I don't.
00:11:24.000 But I don't actually think these are good people.
00:11:26.000 I don't.
00:11:26.000 I mean, they were so nasty to you.
00:11:29.000 They were so mean to you.
00:11:30.000 They were so awful to our country.
00:11:31.000 And then I have to see the way they treat Jensaki.
00:11:34.000 They're asking Gensaki, so what's your thought on whether or not Joe Biden thinks that President Trump's going to get indicted or not?
00:11:39.000 I'm like, wait, hold on a second.
00:11:40.000 What?
00:11:40.000 Wait, what's his thought on whether or not a former, like, what kind of crazy question is that?
00:11:45.000 Right.
00:11:46.000 How about this?
00:11:47.000 How about the crisis on the southern border? 0.84
00:11:48.000 Are you going to hold China accountable for the lab leak?
00:11:51.000 How about the 1 million Muslims in concentration camps?
00:11:53.000 How about rising inflation?
00:11:54.000 No, no, no.
00:11:55.000 Instead, the line of questioning is: what is the current president's opinion on something that's happening in the state of New York?
00:12:02.000 And so, you have some insight into the press, and I don't want you to get into intentions and all this.
00:12:05.000 I know that's really hard because it's all speculation, but it seems as if that they really are activists, they're not journalists, and they're really in the business of personal destruction.
00:12:15.000 That's right.
00:12:15.000 Look, there are definitely a set of reporters in the press corps, and I could probably count them on one hand, maybe two, who are good reporters.
00:12:22.000 And I've had one of them came up and, you know, in a hushed tone said to me on the tarmac, I come from the old school of journalism and kind of recognize that it has changed for the worse.
00:12:31.000 And then you have people, and you're right to call them activists like Caitlin Collins, like Jim Acosta, who are activists.
00:12:37.000 And I said that much from the podium.
00:12:39.000 I said, Caitlin said to me, Hey, why didn't you call on me?
00:12:43.000 And I yelled back, I don't call an activist because at a certain point, we've got to call out their activism, not engage in that kind of activism, because it's destructive when you are shouted down by a Playboy reporter in the back of the room at the end of each briefing.
00:12:56.000 And where are the other reporters, the good reporters, saying, Hey, we're going to come together in the White House Correspondents Association and push out someone like the Playboy reporter who's shouting from the back of the room and is making us all look like buffoons.
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00:14:21.000 So the way a lot of people view the media right now, our listeners, obviously, is they totally think it's a broken and corrupt institution.
00:14:29.000 And I'm not really sure the right way to fix it, to be honest.
00:14:32.000 And just because they seem that they have all this power and they want to use the power to keep themselves in charge, which is really dark and awful.
00:14:38.000 And there's so many stories they could actually win awards if they actually went and investigated right now.
00:14:42.000 But they decide they don't want to do that.
00:14:44.000 Instead, I think there was a massive story recently on whether or not Donald Trump had his pants on backwards or forwards or the cicada that fell on Joe Biden's neck.
00:14:52.000 These were the major stories of the last couple of last couple of days.
00:14:55.000 It's crazy.
00:14:55.000 And I mean, we've gotten to a point where 79% of independents, this was midway through Trump's presidency, of independence.
00:15:02.000 These are not Republicans, said that they believe that the press intentionally makes up fake stories and intentionally reports them.
00:15:09.000 So the good news is people recognize it.
00:15:12.000 Edelman Trust Barometer trusts different gauges the trust of different institutions.
00:15:16.000 They found the media is at their lowest point of trust.
00:15:19.000 So the American people are wise to this.
00:15:21.000 They do see the headlines.
00:15:22.000 They are smart.
00:15:23.000 But when you get to a point where big media colludes with big tech, that's where it becomes highly problematic.
00:15:29.000 There was a poll out recently that I think it was one in six Biden voters would have changed their vote had they heard about the Hunter Biden story.
00:15:37.000 They, you know, talk about influencing an election.
00:15:39.000 There's simply no doubt that Twitter and big media and big tech all together influenced an election.
00:15:46.000 And it was the most interfered with election in American history.
00:15:48.000 And I mean, the fact you could suppress the New York Post story because we don't like what they have to say, even though it ended up being totally true.
00:15:55.000 And then, oh, that was another lie, that this was somehow Russian intelligence.
00:15:59.000 Right.
00:16:00.000 And by the way, not only that, last year we went through two impeachments, right? 0.93
00:16:03.000 We went through one in the Ukraine and the other one was ridiculous.
00:16:06.000 And we had to go the whole phone call thing.
00:16:08.000 Then a couple months later, we had to deal with the whole virus and the lab leak.
00:16:13.000 And this, if the Democrats actually wanted to permanently sever the country, they're doing a great job.
00:16:20.000 Yes, they are.
00:16:21.000 But the point to Russian disinformation, this is where it becomes so laughable that anyone with a brain cell can see through the antics of the press.
00:16:29.000 You know, Politico, I believe it was, published 50 intelligence officials who said that the Hunter Biden laptop story was Russia disinformation.
00:16:36.000 Well, the average American says, I'm hearing about Russia an awful lot.
00:16:39.000 I'm hearing about Russia collusion that didn't exist.
00:16:42.000 Now this is Russia disinformation.
00:16:43.000 It's always Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia.
00:16:45.000 So they're not even good at their job at avoiding reporting because they just point to Russia and people see through that, especially now in the wake of us knowing it is Hunter's laptop.
00:16:54.000 Where even now some people are saying, well, do we truly know it's Hunter's laptop?
00:16:57.000 I'm pretty sure if it has hundreds of pictures of Hunter, text messages of Hunter, emails of yes without close on emails from Hunter, it is indeed Hunter's laptop.
00:17:06.000 No, we know it's Hunter's laptop.
00:17:09.000 It's been third-party corruption.
00:17:10.000 They've never denied it.
00:17:11.000 Yep.
00:17:12.000 And there's also information and phone numbers that are corrupt.
00:17:15.000 There's a lot of forensic analysis that's been done on this.
00:17:17.000 We knew this back in October.
00:17:18.000 It's so simple.
00:17:20.000 Yes.
00:17:20.000 But the media saw this as a threat.
00:17:23.000 And at all costs, they needed Donald Trump gone.
00:17:25.000 Donald Trump stood in their way of every single one of their very, very treacherous schemes.
00:17:29.000 And so what are people supposed to do to consume information and hold powerful people accountable?
00:17:34.000 Because, I mean, I only know like one or two people that work in the White House.
00:17:38.000 You remember working in the White House and a lot of my friends did.
00:17:40.000 It was nonstop leaks, nonstop pressure from the Washington Post and New York Times.
00:17:44.000 Nonstop.
00:17:45.000 It was as if they were sitting in the meeting with Trump, you know, in the Oval Office, and they would find out what happened quicker than even someone who's working in the EOB would.
00:17:53.000 And there's no such pressure right now happening on the Biden White House.
00:17:55.000 I have not seen one leak.
00:17:57.000 I don't know.
00:17:58.000 I know like one person working there.
00:17:59.000 It's Ron Klain.
00:18:00.000 Yeah.
00:18:00.000 Well, they're very disciplined.
00:18:02.000 There's no doubt about that.
00:18:03.000 And Ron Klain, they call him President Clain.
00:18:05.000 He really is running our government.
00:18:06.000 He is running our government.
00:18:08.000 Yeah, but they did have one leak recently, which was really interesting.
00:18:11.000 Kamala Harris, when she had that disastrous trip down to Guatemala and Mexico, there was interestingly, and I noticed it too, because you're right, there have been no leaks, but there was finally a leak of people within the White House saying, that was a weird trip.
00:18:25.000 And I'm paraphrasing here.
00:18:26.000 Why can't she even answer a simple question?
00:18:29.000 And it's interesting to see the White House leaking against the vice president.
00:18:33.000 It makes you curious about the dynamic because we finally got a leak and it's against the vice president.
00:18:37.000 So it seems like maybe there are some knives out between the VP's team and the president's team.
00:18:42.000 And I mean, it's just, it was nonstop during the Trump era and they would turn staffers against each other and they threaten stories.
00:18:42.000 Yeah.
00:18:49.000 None of that is happening right now.
00:18:50.000 And that kind of internal dynamic actually hurt the Trump administration's ability to govern the country for the well-being of all the citizens.
00:18:57.000 But the activist press doesn't care about any of that. 0.89
00:18:59.000 They're very much sociopathic people.
00:19:01.000 So you have a book coming out.
00:19:03.000 Tell us about that.
00:19:04.000 I'm really excited.
00:19:04.000 I do.
00:19:05.000 This is, I guess, the second time I'm talking about it.
00:19:08.000 I talked about it at the Young Women's Leadership Summit.
00:19:10.000 I was so excited to announce it here.
00:19:11.000 But it's called For Such a Time as This, My Faith Journey Through the White House and Beyond.
00:19:16.000 And yes, exactly.
00:19:19.000 And that comes from the book of Astler.
00:19:21.000 You're exactly right.
00:19:22.000 And it occurred to me that should be the title because when I was going up to D.C., I was very nervous, almost in tears.
00:19:28.000 And my dad said, Kaylee, you know, maybe you were made for such a time as this.
00:19:32.000 And interestingly, a Democrat commentator sent me the exact same phrase.
00:19:36.000 And it just stuck out in my head that, you know, God puts everyone in a certain place in a certain time for a reason and a purpose.
00:19:42.000 I think I was at the podium for a reason, for a purpose in that time.
00:19:46.000 And I think everyone who reads this book has a purpose they're designed to fulfill, and they just have to find it.
00:19:51.000 So it'll be about my journey through the White House.
00:19:53.000 There will be some cool behind the scenes moments, like when the president of the United States got COVID-19, the most serious threat to the presidency since Reagan was shot.
00:20:01.000 I'll take you into those scenes, but it'll also be about my faith journey and how I leaned on Jesus Christ during those times.
00:20:07.000 So is it available for pre-order yet?
00:20:07.000 Amazing.
00:20:10.000 It is.
00:20:10.000 Although that's the most important thing.
00:20:12.000 The Amazon link is up.
00:20:13.000 So you just Google my name and for such a time as this.
00:20:15.000 And we'll do a cover reveal in about two weeks, but the pre-order link is up and it will be out December 7th.
00:20:20.000 Yeah, it'll do very well.
00:20:21.000 I'm sure.
00:20:21.000 Thank you.
00:20:22.000 And so talk more about your faith and how important that was in the White House.
00:20:26.000 We live in an increasingly secular society.
00:20:29.000 I believe there's a massive spiritual battle happening in our country right now.
00:20:34.000 And there's a lot of people that were praying for you and praying for your success.
00:20:39.000 Talk about the role of your faith when you worked in the White House.
00:20:42.000 You could certainly feel those prayers, I will say.
00:20:44.000 You know, Sarah Sanders, who came before me, she used to tell me she's wonderful.
00:20:49.000 She told me that before each press briefing, she would read her Jesus calling book, a devotional.
00:20:54.000 And she, the day of my first press briefing, people didn't know this, but I literally, my mom and dad can attest, was in tears at two o'clock when I was supposed to take the podium because I was paralyzed with nervousness.
00:21:05.000 But Sarah Sanders sent me a picture of her Jesus calling from two years prior to the day.
00:21:11.000 And it was the perfect message about overcoming through faith in Christ.
00:21:15.000 And I had complete serenity when I got to that podium.
00:21:18.000 And it wasn't anything about me.
00:21:19.000 It was the prayers of so many Christians that I could feel.
00:21:22.000 And you're exactly right about the spiritual battle playing out.
00:21:24.000 And I saw each and every day, like when the president got COVID-19, you'll remember they dubbed the Amy Coney Barrett nomination a super spreader event.
00:21:33.000 Well, what some people haven't pieced together is Franklin Graham was there that day.
00:21:37.000 They were doing the big prayer march through Washington.
00:21:40.000 And Franklin Graham and some of the greatest pastors of our time were in the White House meeting with the president.
00:21:44.000 So you have COVID-19, the invisible enemy, lurking in this super spreader event, while you have these pastors who represent all things good and Christians praying through DC.
00:21:53.000 And it was just such a clear juxtaposition of good being there, but evil lurking in our midst.
00:22:00.000 But the good news is Christ can overcome all.
00:22:02.000 And I get into that chapter by chapter.
00:22:04.000 It's amazing.
00:22:05.000 I want to just reemphasize this.
00:22:07.000 So you have a press briefing.
00:22:10.000 This is not like a regular speech.
00:22:12.000 I just want to have people understand this.
00:22:14.000 So you have this, you're literally sitting on top of each other because of the way the White House configuration is.
00:22:20.000 And there's like this sliding door.
00:22:21.000 And you walk out and you have probably 30 or 40 rather high IQ, hyper aggressive, wannabe celebrities with masks on.
00:22:33.000 So all you see is their eyes.
00:22:34.000 And you walk up to this podium and you're looking down at them and they're staring at everything you do.
00:22:38.000 And then you have probably 15 or 20 cameras and you know that there's 30 or 40 million people that will watch this.
00:22:45.000 And then you have precisely what you have to say.
00:22:47.000 And then you have to defend things that you didn't say on behalf of a bureaucrat or on behalf of an appointee.
00:22:53.000 And if you say one word wrong, it could derail the entire mission of the federal government in the midst of a pandemic.
00:22:58.000 But they don't care because that's success for them.
00:23:00.000 Yeah, that is.
00:23:01.000 And then so you have to be precise throughout the entire thing.
00:23:03.000 You have to be interesting.
00:23:05.000 And then you also have to be able to answer the questions from the opposition.
00:23:12.000 And then you have to then be able to know your stuff because if you quote one thing wrong, that becomes the story, not all the benefits from all that.
00:23:19.000 Yes.
00:23:19.000 And even if you do everything right, they will still take you out of conversation.
00:23:23.000 That's exactly right.
00:23:24.000 I remember I literally gave an answer.
00:23:26.000 I believe this was to Yamish.
00:23:27.000 I forget exactly who, but I talked about the science being on the side of reopening schools.
00:23:32.000 I went through data.
00:23:33.000 I said the CDC director said kids are minimal spreaders, that they're not at risk from COVID the same way adults are.
00:23:39.000 And I read statistics and facts in science.
00:23:42.000 And I said, with the science should not stand in the way of opening schools because the science is on our side.
00:23:48.000 Did everything right?
00:23:49.000 Jim Acosta takes the science should not stand in the way, tweets it out as if to suggest I just said science doesn't matter.
00:23:55.000 When in fact, I had footnoted my answer with all of this science.
00:23:58.000 And even Jake Tapper had the audacity or I guess the courage to call him out.
00:24:03.000 Not particularly a fan of Jake Tapper, but even Jake Tapper said, guys, we're taking her out of context here, which was a kind thing for him to do.
00:24:09.000 But even when you do everything right, they will take a snippet, they will twist it for their own purposes and design.
00:24:15.000 It's the highest stakes imaginable.
00:24:17.000 And it's rather remarkable.
00:24:19.000 And it just in the way that there's no comparison to what's happening right now.
00:24:24.000 This is not even, this is not a press briefing.
00:24:26.000 This is a lunch with friends, which was happening with Jen Saxon, right?
00:24:28.000 That's not a press briefing.
00:24:30.000 This is like an interrogation coupled with kind of like a war briefing.
00:24:34.000 It's this really weird thing.
00:24:36.000 It's like really bizarre in the sense that it really doesn't exist anywhere else in the country.
00:24:40.000 And you kind of just look at it like, oh, she's just kind of giving a speech.
00:24:43.000 No, you have to understand it from her actual visual optical perspective.
00:24:47.000 Every time you look up from that podium, you have 30 really like treacherous people that are staring at you, waiting for one thing.
00:24:56.000 And you know that it's not just them, but they represent outlets that they could push a button and every single Apple device in the country gets an Apple news notification.
00:25:04.000 Kaylee McEnany says this, this, and this.
00:25:07.000 And then you kind of get off the podium, you get up the podium, that sliding door closes, and you ask your team, so how did I do?
00:25:12.000 It was awesome.
00:25:12.000 Everything was great.
00:25:13.000 And then you look at like, that's not what I said.
00:25:15.000 Yes.
00:25:15.000 Exactly.
00:25:16.000 There were many moments like that when I'd go back to my office and I'd say, that is not what happened.
00:25:21.000 But people can see it, especially people who watch the briefings in their entirety.
00:25:24.000 But that's why it's so important to anticipate the questions and anticipate counter-arguments and be prepared.
00:25:31.000 How can I take this and go on offense?
00:25:33.000 And it was interesting.
00:25:35.000 We would plan questions going from Sunday, 7 a.m. all the way to the briefing.
00:25:39.000 And we would often identify a much harder question than any of them even asked.
00:25:43.000 And we're like, how did they not think to ask this question?
00:25:45.000 This is the toughest one.
00:25:47.000 But sometimes they never quite got there.
00:25:48.000 But all of this to say, the purpose of the press briefing is to bring news to the American people.
00:25:54.000 And what was so sad to me during my time, there were children dying in the streets, like Secoria Turner and Legend Talafero.
00:26:00.000 And we in the government were doing things to fight crime in the streets.
00:26:03.000 And when I tried to bring that message, they didn't care.
00:26:05.000 And when I talked about the police officers who have perished amid the riots, David Dorn, they didn't care.
00:26:11.000 And I'm not saying they didn't care like they're not compassionate people, but they didn't care enough to write a story about it, to ask a question about it.
00:26:17.000 And therein is the problem with the press.
00:26:19.000 If your narrative, a child dying of crime in the streets, doesn't fit the left's narrative, it is just entirely ignored outside of local news.
00:26:26.000 And to me, that is the real tragedy.
00:26:28.000 At the end of the day, it's those families, those victims that end up losing because there's never light brought to their stories.
00:26:36.000 Do you ever read the fine print that appears when you start browsing in incognito mode?
00:26:40.000 It says that your activity might still be visible to your employer, your school, or your internet service provider.
00:26:45.000 How can they even call it incognito?
00:26:47.000 To really stop these people from visiting, from seeing the sites you visit, you need to do what I do and use Express VPN.
00:26:53.000 Think about all the times you've used the Wi-Fi at a coffee shop, a hotel, or even at your parents' home.
00:26:58.000 Without ExpressVPN, every single site you visit could be logged by the admin of that network.
00:27:04.000 And that's still true when you're in incognito mode.
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00:27:45.000 So as if you didn't have enough on your plate, you also were the press secretary during the race stuff.
00:27:49.000 And that's what you're getting at.
00:27:51.000 And from the George Floyd stuff to the riots, to the burning and all that.
00:27:56.000 And they did, I mean, that was when the press went from, you know, we really want to take you down to a whole nother level of.
00:28:03.000 And you navigated that perfectly and seamlessly.
00:28:07.000 But they were, of course, trying to, you know, do what do what they do.
00:28:10.000 So I want to ask you a question that you might not have been asked before.
00:28:13.000 A lot of people say, Charlie, I get sick to my stomach before I speak.
00:28:16.000 I have to give a presentation.
00:28:17.000 How did you overcome kind of just the not just the nerves, but the anxiety?
00:28:23.000 Like, what was your day to get you actually physically in a place to be able to do that?
00:28:28.000 Because that's not easy.
00:28:29.000 I mean, I know when you speak and you have a lot of eyeballs on you, you got to be you got to be right in that strike zone.
00:28:34.000 Walk us through kind of the crescendo of the day that got you to be where you were at 2 p.m. every day.
00:28:40.000 So if we had a press briefing on a Monday, let's say, I would read through, I get hundreds of news alerts that come to my phone in my email, and I would read through every single news alert, every single headline, and make a list of topics.
00:28:51.000 My two closest aides were Chad Gilmartin and Julia Hahn, and they would do the same. 0.84
00:28:55.000 Julia's incredible. 0.95
00:28:56.000 She's brilliant.
00:28:57.000 She used to work for Breitbart, I think.
00:28:58.000 She did.
00:28:59.000 She did.
00:28:59.000 She's brilliant.
00:29:00.000 And we would sit down and come up with a list of topics, and we would run through every single potential hardest question we could be asked.
00:29:06.000 Julia would send me a draft binder.
00:29:08.000 Starting at like 7 a.m.
00:29:09.000 This the day before we did.
00:29:10.000 Wow.
00:29:11.000 And I would look through the draft binder, make notes, Google statistics, facts.
00:29:15.000 I wanted to overwhelm them with information.
00:29:18.000 And the next day, we'd start at maybe seven or eight, and we'd start running through the questions, reading through the binder, preparing, preparing, preparing.
00:29:26.000 And then I'd go to the bathroom, oftentimes get on my knees and say a prayer.
00:29:30.000 Or if I didn't do that, my team, we would all in my office, last thing we would do, we would get in a circle.
00:29:34.000 And there's a guy named Ben Williamson who worked for the chief of staff.
00:29:36.000 I started calling him Reverend Ben and then Pope Ben as the briefings got harder because he would always pray with us.
00:29:42.000 And that was the last thing we did as a team before we walked out.
00:29:44.000 And I think it worked.
00:29:45.000 It gave us a lot of peace in the tough moments.
00:29:48.000 And so I hope everyone understands that because there's this idea that there's like 600 people prepping these things and there's these massive war rooms and there's like you research that and you do that and you research that as if you know you have kind of like the 24 CTU thing.
00:30:03.000 You remember 24 Jack Power?
00:30:04.000 You're like the double decker with all the data analysts.
00:30:04.000 Of course.
00:30:07.000 What you just told me is that you have a core team of two and a pretty decent sized team to go brief 40 million people daily.
00:30:14.000 Yes.
00:30:15.000 So our press team, exactly.
00:30:16.000 We had like, I think it was 10 to 12 on the press team.
00:30:19.000 There's more people writing the Colbert every night.
00:30:21.000 That's true.
00:30:22.000 Literally.
00:30:23.000 There are literally.
00:30:23.000 There are more producers for late night comedy than producers to put on a press briefing.
00:30:28.000 Yes, but these are high quality people.
00:30:31.000 I would take Julia and Chad and Julia's team of, I think she had seven or I think she had four people.
00:30:36.000 I would take that team any day over the Colbert. 0.50
00:30:38.000 Ellen's staff, all the staffs combined because she's such a high talent person.
00:30:38.000 Oh, no, for sure.
00:30:42.000 As you know, you've met her.
00:30:44.000 Yeah.
00:30:44.000 And it's just an incredible juxtaposition.
00:30:47.000 So let's talk about where the country is right now, kind of in closing.
00:30:50.000 A lot of people are losing hope.
00:30:52.000 A lot of people are wondering what's next.
00:30:54.000 Do you have any insight into what President Trump might be thinking of doing?
00:30:58.000 I've talked to him recently.
00:30:59.000 He seems like he's in good spirits.
00:31:01.000 Do you have any insight of what he might be doing?
00:31:03.000 I don't.
00:31:03.000 I don't.
00:31:03.000 I've talked to him recently too, and he is in good spirits.
00:31:06.000 We'll see what he decides in 2024.
00:31:08.000 But in the media term, 2022, and he's back out there.
00:31:11.000 It was great to see him.
00:31:12.000 I believe he was in North Carolina.
00:31:14.000 And I think more on the horizon for him, it sounds like, in terms of rallies and getting our majorities back.
00:31:19.000 That's the focus, laser focus right now.
00:31:21.000 Yeah, Georgia and Arizona in particular.
00:31:23.000 Yep.
00:31:23.000 And so can you just speak to kind of what some of the big issues are that you think we need to be focusing on to try to win back these majorities and also just try to win people over to the conservative message?
00:31:33.000 Look, I think certainly the culture issues are very important.
00:31:36.000 You know, people, I was just watching Fox and Friends, and they were talking about them getting rid of holidays and calling them days off in our school.
00:31:43.000 You know, we're talking about not canceling people.
00:31:45.000 They try to cancel anyone in Trump World.
00:31:46.000 Now they want to cancel apple pie.
00:31:48.000 I mean, these kinds of issues, people realize the insanity of it.
00:31:52.000 But in addition to that, I think really crime on the streets, the fact that crime is going up in all of these Democrat strongholds, the fact that, you know, a little boy, Aiden, loses his life and is shot in his car seat.
00:32:03.000 And he says, Mommy, my tummy hurts, and is a victim of murder there.
00:32:08.000 And there are so many other examples.
00:32:10.000 You know, I think that that's really important that we put a focus on that law and order safety.
00:32:14.000 New York City is literally crumbling right now.
00:32:17.000 I go there often and it is crumbling.
00:32:20.000 So we got to focus on securing our streets and an inclusive economy message.
00:32:24.000 You know, President Trump got more of the black vote, more of the Hispanic vote than his predecessors did.
00:32:29.000 And he did that by having an accessible economy and focusing on issues that American people care about.
00:32:34.000 Crime and culture.
00:32:35.000 I think those are the ones.
00:32:36.000 I mean, what's so sad about New York is that they actually did this themselves.
00:32:40.000 It was a safe city.
00:32:41.000 It was an enjoyable city.
00:32:42.000 And they decided to be ideological, not pragmatic.
00:32:45.000 They decided to go try to defend some ridiculous, esoteric idea instead of actually what works for their citizens. 0.53
00:32:51.000 And now people are dying. 0.54
00:32:52.000 Yeah.
00:32:52.000 And it's more dangerous than ever.
00:32:54.000 So the final thing for women out there that are listening either on radio or podcasting, it's harder than ever to be a young conservative woman out there.
00:33:01.000 You are the role model for that, and for good reason, also a mother and a wife and a follower of God and Jesus.
00:33:10.000 What advice, what are the big takeaways do you have for young conservative women in particular?
00:33:15.000 Yes, well, that's very kind.
00:33:16.000 I mean, number one, be bold when you speak, even if others don't, you know, stand up in applause in your classroom, plot in your classroom.
00:33:23.000 You are speaking for a lot more people than you know.
00:33:25.000 You know, there are silent professions of I support you, I support you on Harvard Law campus when I was there.
00:33:30.000 So if you are courageous enough to speak up and be bold, others not only will follow you, but will appreciate your voice.
00:33:36.000 But number two, don't if you want to be a mother and a wife, not every woman desires that, but if you have that on your heart, you don't have to sideline that for your career.
00:33:45.000 You can do both.
00:33:46.000 You can have it all.
00:33:47.000 It's never a wrong time to have a baby, to get married, to do those things in life.
00:33:51.000 I decided, you know, in the middle of a presidential campaign, what better time to have a baby?
00:33:55.000 But I did it and it was the best decision I ever made.
00:33:58.000 So just know you can have it all.
00:33:59.000 You can have a high-powered career.
00:34:01.000 You can be a mother and a wife if you so choose and desire.
00:34:04.000 I love it.
00:34:04.000 Well, for such a time as this is the book, we're going to have you back on to promote it throughout.
00:34:09.000 But Kaylee, God bless you.
00:34:10.000 Thanks so much for coming on.
00:34:11.000 Thank you.
00:34:11.000 An amazing job with Turning Point.
00:34:12.000 It's such an honor to be here and to speak.
00:34:14.000 Thanks.
00:34:17.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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