00:00:00.000Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show with Saurab Amari, we go through what is the Republican Party's position on foreign policy and what should it be.
00:00:09.000Also, the Biden regime has announced crack pipes for addicts.
00:00:14.000And also, should Ron DeSantis support a bill that prohibits the teaching of gay agendas in our schools?
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00:01:58.000I mean, again, we do our best on the show not to just do kind of like the doom and gloom news about the citizen is rising and things are happening.
00:02:48.000But most people who do drugs are not victims.
00:02:52.000Almost most people, even the people that have that stuff happen to them, that's not an excuse to just go do cocaine or put meth into your body.
00:03:00.000And this is a way that the left views the world versus how we as conservatives view the world.
00:03:07.000Generally, and with some exceptions, especially with some of the inflation exceptions and some of the lockdowns, generally we believe that if you are going through a less than desirable circumstance, first and foremost, you as the individual should take responsibility for the condition of life that you are in.
00:03:26.000And we definitely believe that when it comes to smoking crack cocaine, smacking crack cocaine, smoking crack cocaine on the side of the street in San Francisco.
00:03:36.000Now, a belief from the colleges that is just so hard to believe it got taken seriously was that, hey, we have all these meth addicts and all these people doing drugs on the side of the streets in San Francisco or Los Angeles.
00:03:49.000What we need is drug injection sites to make it easier for people to be able to do drugs.
00:03:57.000Because who are we to say what they are doing is wrong?
00:04:00.000What we need to be able to do is to actually assist them and help them do drugs.
00:04:08.000So there's a new story that came out, which is that the federal government was going to help people that are doing drugs by providing them with funds to make drugs used safer for addicts.
00:04:22.000It's a $30 million grant program, which closed applications on Monday and will begin again in May.
00:04:30.000It'll provide funds to nonprofits and local governments to help make drug use safer for addicts, including the grant, which is overseen by HHS, our funds, quote, for smoking kits and supplies.
00:04:44.000Now, the director of the smoking kits and supplies is not Hunter Biden, although he is a subject matter expert in smoking crack cocaine and getting away with it.
00:04:54.000But the position of the federal government now that we have 100,000 drug overdose deaths is, you know, the problem is we don't have enough crack pipes.
00:05:02.000If you think I'm joking, listen to it yourself.
00:05:06.000So the Biden administration now has a new plan.
00:05:09.000They are funding a $30 million program that will distribute smoking kits.
00:05:14.000These kits include crack and meth pipes.
00:05:18.000Okay, they're using taxpayer dollars for this.
00:05:21.000President Biden claims this is part of his executive order that is supposed to help reduce harm in marginalized communities.
00:05:28.000Now, I'm just going to point out the obvious here.
00:05:31.000That's the very same federal government that went on an all-out jihad against ivermectin.
00:05:36.000So they go out on an all-out campaign against hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, all in the same breath saying, hey, you know what we need to do?
00:05:43.000We need to go give people pipes so they can smoke crack on the side of the street because equity.
00:05:48.000So ivermectin, which could potentially be life-saving in the battle against COVID, I have dozens.
00:05:55.000Dozens of first-hand experience of people that have taken ivermectin that had it, were taking a turn for the worse, and ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, melatonin, aspirin, and other early interventions helped them tremendously.
00:06:09.000But the position of the regime is: hey, who are we to judge that crack cocaine is wrong?
00:06:21.000I mean, how many lives could have been saved if 30 million pills of ivermectin were distributed or $30 million worth of ivermectin was distributed?
00:06:32.000That's a lot of ivermectin because ivermectin is super cheap.
00:06:42.000How many Americans would still be alive?
00:06:47.000It shouldn't be easier to get a crack pipe in America than a life-saving drug in America in the midst of a pandemic launched by the Chinese Communist Party.
00:06:56.000And ivermectin is a lot cheaper and a lot safer than crack pipes.
00:07:23.000When asked to clarify what was in the safe smoking kits, she said they could contain alcohol swabs, lip balm, and other materials to hygiene, promote hygiene, and reduce the transmission of diseases like HIV and hepatitis.
00:07:35.000There's a really easy way not to get HIV.
00:08:59.000A safe smoking skin may contain alcohol swabs, lip balm, other materials to promote hygiene and reduce the transmission of diseases like HIV and hepatitis.
00:09:09.000What I love about this is that the White House has to talk about like a $30 million grant.
00:09:43.000Not exactly a subject matter expert on this.
00:09:47.000I guess that their lips get chapped after they overdose for the fifth time on crack cocaine.
00:09:56.000For $20 per package of 40 ivermectin pills, it could go to 1.5 million people.
00:10:02.000But instead, your government, our government, taxpayer-funded dollars, don't worry, everybody, $30 million is not going towards hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin or aspirin or melatonin, monoclonal antibodies, intravenous therapy, vitamin D regimen.
00:10:19.000You can rest assured that the crack addict that defecated on your lawn and showed his junk to your six-year-old, his lips won't be chapped anymore.
00:10:32.000The left is waging a war on free speech with the help of big tech and the United States government.
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00:11:37.000And every time you think, ah, Ron DeSantis might let you down, he just kind of doubles and triples down.
00:11:45.000And so if you want to know about, you kind of look at the landscape, and one of the groups that you should never try to provoke, unless you really know your stuff and you are in a position where you have freedom to talk like we do, is the alphabet mafia.
00:13:21.000So let's try to frame the problem before we try to go to the solution.
00:13:24.000And cut 124, this is a mom from California who is suing the state of California for in a predatory fashion going after her daughter and encouraging her daughter to change her gender.
00:13:45.000How many mistakes are we going to take before my child almost lost her life?
00:13:49.000They didn't tell me that my child is suicidal.
00:13:53.000You allowed these teachers to open their classrooms, teaching predatorial information to a young child, a mindful child that doesn't even know how to comprehend it all.
00:14:05.000What an unbelievably powerful statement by that mother.
00:14:17.000He's realizing that six and seven year olds are not emotionally mature enough to be able to process what a gay person is, what transgender is, and he wants to remove that topic altogether from the schools.
00:14:34.000And anyone who isn't, the fact that you want like six and seven year olds to talk about really, let's just say graphically sexual topics, awfully creepy.
00:14:46.000Play cut 85 of Ron DeSantis, and then we're going to play Alfred E. Newman, who responds.
00:14:54.000And look, at the end of the day, you know, my goal is to educate kids on the subjects math, reading, science, all the things that are so important.
00:15:05.000I don't want the schools to kind of be a playground for ideological disputes or to try to inject.
00:15:12.000So I think it's just let's get parents involved.
00:15:15.000Let's make sure anything that's discussed is age appropriate, but let's keep the focus on where it needs to be.
00:15:54.000And the reason is that it tells youth who are different or whose families are different that there's something wrong with them out of the gate.
00:16:02.000And I do think that contributes to the shocking levels of suicidal thoughts and suicide attempts among LGBTQ youth.
00:16:11.000Now, I'm not going to get into some of the psychological literature as to why that might be the case, but if you are confused about your identity and then you are told to wear that identity as if everything is normal and good, then maybe there might be something deeper at play there.
00:16:25.000I fully support Ron DeSantis protecting the Floridian children from these predatory topics that they do not understand and they do not comprehend.
00:16:35.000This is the role of parents, not the role of the state, not the role of some creepy 28-year-old that just graduated from the University of Florida and wants to try to recruit more people to become transgender.
00:16:48.000Takes real courage for you to stand on that topic, and you have our support.
00:16:54.000Someone I really respect who's made me think deeply about a lot of things is Saurabh Amari, who has an unbelievable piece that he wrote for the New York Times.
00:17:01.000And I don't think he works for the New York Times.
00:17:43.000It's called Hawks Are Standing in the Way of a New Republican Party.
00:17:48.000And you go through in great detail, and you're a phenomenal writer of how you describe this, about how the neoconservative posture remains, especially with this Ukrainian-Russian dispute, and how almost the muscle memory impulse of the Republican Party is to saber-rattle and to try to say that if you do anything except wanting to have a full-fledged kinetic war with Vladimir Putin, then you're an agent of Russia and you actually might be on KGB payroll.
00:18:17.000Yeah, so, you know, I'm one of the people who's been arguing over the past three, four years that the Republican Party took a right turn, a correct turn on foreign policy, starting with President Trump, where he called out, you know, some of the party's most cherished orthodoxies on foreign policy.
00:18:41.000The notion that NATO is always and everywhere a good thing and the U.S. should continue to tolerate our European allies, not really doing any fair share of their burden, not lifting their fair share of the burden for our common defense and the United States committing so much more than they do.
00:19:01.000I think that really resonated with the base of the party.
00:19:04.000I think that it resonated popularly when he just forthrightly spoke out against the post-9-11 regime change wars, which have been disasters.
00:20:39.000And yet, and even sort of America first people or populist people in the party who get that domestically still can't let go of that, like you said, that reflex, that muscle memory of escalate all the time.
00:20:52.000So that, for example, Senator Marco Rubio, Senator Cotton, of whom I'm fans and beyond friends, you know, who are trying to take the party in a more populist direction on a lot of issues, and that's good.
00:21:04.000But then the Ukraine thing happens and they're right away, you know, accusing Biden of appeasing Putin or kind of drawing these overdone and frankly kind of inept analogies between Putin and Hitler and Churchill.
00:21:18.000And not every time and space in history is 1933 all over again, right?
00:21:58.000He's number one, I think, on crime in the whole Senate.
00:22:01.000He was willing to tell, I think he wrote an op-ed for the New York Times that he got canceled about using the Insurrection Act before that word was overused in American society against BLM.
00:22:14.000But why is it, so Rob, that Tom Cotton and Marco Rubio, again, who we both have respect for, why is it they go to that immediate position?
00:22:39.000I think it's a product of conservatives who came of age at a time, it was an unusual time during the Cold War, when we had this very clear ideological adversary and you wanted to limit its reach everywhere.
00:22:56.000And that was the anti-communist project.
00:22:58.000And if I were around, if I were a conservative in that age, I'm pretty sure I'd be a very hardcore Cold Warrior.
00:23:42.000We should seek to expand it everywhere.
00:23:44.000And that American foreign policy just means this bipartisan consensus on this expansive view of what America's mission is in the world.
00:23:54.000It's not just to be a country like other countries.
00:23:57.000It's to be a global hegemon, a values hegemon.
00:24:02.000And that did not work out well over the past 20 years, right?
00:24:05.000I mean, we launched these regime change wars.
00:24:08.000Again, I confess I cheered some of them at the time, but the result was we created stateless, ungoverned spaces across the Middle East and North Africa.
00:24:16.000We sent millions of refugees and economic migrants into Europe, destabilizing Europe's politics.
00:24:25.000We obviously created spaces in which terrorism could thrive and then we had to get involved in a different way.
00:24:31.000And we shattered the Arab state system in some ways.
00:25:02.000But you don't understand that when you promote NATO expansion everywhere, what is NATO expansion?
00:25:08.000It's the expansion of this same way of life that we domestically find increasingly intolerable.
00:25:14.000NATO just recently, one of the official blue check NATO accounts just tweeted something about how NATO is integrating gender issues at every level of its operations or something like that.
00:25:25.000And it's like, first of all, yes, I'm sure Vladimir Putin is like shivering in his boots thinking about such a gender diverse NATO.
00:25:33.000But second of all, that's the ideology.
00:25:35.000So if you don't like it at home, why have the same kind of liberal imperialist mentality of like the post-9-11 era?
00:25:43.000Like maybe conditions will come where the U.S. has to be on a really kind of a war footing again.
00:25:49.000But right now, it just feels like normal and natural to say, no, we need to, you know, domestically look internally, consolidate domestically.
00:25:58.000You know, certainly we have allies to whom we have treaty commitments, and we wouldn't want to back away from those.
00:26:04.000But to try to expand that further to places like NATO where it needlessly creates points of tension with Russia, I think that's crazy.
00:26:11.000I think most Americans thinks that crazy.
00:26:13.000In fact, the polls show that most Americans don't want any kind of military involvement over Ukraine.
00:26:21.000And the reason I used incentives is because you close your article by saying the persistence of donor-backed Republican hawkishness remains an obstacle to national development.
00:27:10.000Liberalism almost has an insatiable appetite to try to always shackle the next, unshackle the next victim group.
00:27:17.000You wrote about this in your book, which I found to be super fascinating.
00:27:20.000And you find it with the alphabet mafia here with the transgender stuff or with the racial groups.
00:27:25.000And you also see it in the foreign policy establishment.
00:27:27.000Can you kind of connect all those through lines together?
00:27:29.000Because the same group of people that want to increase literacy rates for Pakistani girls or whatever are the ones that also want to try to have predatory transgender practices in high schools in California.
00:27:42.000Yeah, I mean, this is very painful, I think, for the right.
00:27:45.000Again, you know, we are the right rallies to the military and rightly so, because patriotism is a natural virtue.
00:27:57.000The right rallies to the flag, and that's a good thing.
00:28:00.000But sometimes it seems like the flag that the United States unfurls around the world is not what the flag that most Americans or certainly most American conservatives cherish.
00:28:17.000Our embassies will display it everywhere to make an ideological point.
00:28:22.000And they do it, you know, in places, especially in some places where it's meant almost to offend local Catholic sensibilities in some place like Poland.
00:28:32.000Or frankly, how insane it is to do it in Afghanistan, right?
00:28:35.000Like we support women's rights in Afghanistan.
00:28:37.000Of course, women are brutalized in Afghanistan, but do they really need the latest Oberlin College LGBT alphabets theories in Afghanistan?
00:29:18.000We must seek a more balanced trade relationship.
00:29:20.000We also must find areas of cooperation, exchange, and shared interest, seeking to avoid any future wars and instead communicating with mutual respect for a civilizational equal.
00:29:30.000Now, I'm going to take a little exception, Saurabh, with the last part.
00:29:33.000Communicating mutual respect for a civilizational equal.
00:29:47.000So I think that it's important to recognize that China is a very old civilization, and they've had dynasties come and go.
00:30:00.000And the Chinese people, most of them, there are certainly dissidents, but most of them don't make that distinguishing that you just that distinction that you just made between their regime and their country.
00:30:13.000It's their country and they're a rising power.
00:30:16.000And they're a rising power about whom we should worry for all the reasons I laid out, we laid out my co-authors and I in that op-ed, right?
00:30:24.000I want America to do well relative to China.
00:30:27.000I don't want this to be the 21st century to be a Chinese century.
00:30:33.000But I think that the next kind of hawkish trap for America first people, for populists, is to be worked up about issues that are in the grand scheme of things, pretty marginal.
00:30:48.000But in trying to seek those things, you end up expending a lot of energy.
00:30:53.000And that speaking about, for example, the issue of Taiwan.
00:30:57.000So what level of military resources are we prepared to expend to include China in our ambit as opposed to where it is geographically?
00:31:09.000So like, how do we compete with China?
00:31:11.000China right now is making deals in South America.
00:31:17.000It's securing its own energy needs in a very aggressive way.
00:31:22.000It is creating these kind of very complex supply chains that work very well for it.
00:31:27.000Meanwhile, for the United States, despite all the kind of value hawkism and talk about human rights in China and so forth, when the height of the pandemic hit, we were so coupled to China that we couldn't secure our own masks initially and personal protective equipment, right?
00:31:44.000In many ways, still there are fears about, okay, defense critical industries, how much are our supply chains tied up with China?
00:31:54.000I'm trying to say the way to deal with the East Asian challenge is not to go in all headlong with this kind of rah, rah, rah human rights rhetoric.
00:32:08.000Over the 20 years earlier, but to be kind of realistic and say, look, like right now, how are U.S. supply chains?
00:32:16.000You know, like if we need to mobilize for a real crisis, a real military crisis, can we repurpose factories for defense production?
00:32:24.000Do we have the legal architecture, the will, the technology?
00:32:27.000How do we, if semiconductors are in trouble in Taiwan, can we manufacture our own?
00:32:33.000These are the kind of questions that I think kind of America first people populists should be asking.
00:32:38.000And so it's not like paying undue obeisance to the Chinese Communist Party, but yes, you know, like not needlessly provoking 1.6 billion.
00:32:48.000And I think what you're getting at is like the real way to go after China, and that would actually help our country is like not importing vitamin C from Wuhan anymore.
00:33:00.000But the bargain that is coming, and I agree with you, is they want to go build another five aircraft carriers where we really should be talking about tariffs and redesigning the supply chain, where the national security apparatus would love nothing more than an excuse to try to expand the leviathan of military strength in East Asia when the real actual thing that would benefit America is economic implications or, you know, kind of what I think that's what you're getting at.
00:33:27.000I'm getting at, and I think it's what you're getting at is industrial policy.
00:33:33.000I want us, I think my co-authors and I want the U.S. to have similar industrial policy.
00:33:40.000It's bonkers because the same people who will attack us for saying, well, don't get all worked up about Taiwan.
00:33:47.000Just five years ago, they were prepared to let China build national security infrastructure, sensitive infrastructure for the United States.
00:33:57.000I'd rather stop that than to thub tump tub thump about issues that we can't do anything about unless we're prepared to get into a massive war.
00:34:06.000I don't think they're ever going to have mutual respect for us, but we can have you back on and we could talk about that.