The Charlie Kirk Show - Four Years Later, What We Know About mRNA Shots ft. Bret Weinstein

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00:00:03.000 A phenomenal conversation with Dr. Brett Weinstein.

00:00:07.000 We talk about basically why is the COVID shot still on the childhood vaccination schedule, what we can do to get it off, what he's learned post-COVID, the suppression of freedom of speech, and more.

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00:01:53.000 Joining us now is Brett Weinstein.

00:01:56.000 Brett, welcome to the program, evolutionary biologist and also a fighter for all things good and true.

00:02:03.000 Brett, I first want to start by complimenting you.

00:02:05.000 Your conversation with Tucker Carlson.

00:02:07.000 It was so refreshing and was so interesting.

00:02:12.000 And as someone who I am deeply religious, the amount of respect and tenderness that you showed towards those of us that are religious and not dismissing the important questions or our deep faith was awesome and rare.

00:02:28.000 So thank you for that.

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00:02:32.000 Well, thanks for having me, Charlie.

00:02:34.000 It's great to see you and I appreciate what you said about my conversation with Tucker.

00:02:39.000 Let me just emphasize to your audience that the divide that has existed between Scientific materialists, for lack of a better term, and people of faith has been extremely destructive, and a lot of the responsibility for that falls on the head of strident atheists who have completely failed to understand the importance of religious faith in the story of human evolution.

00:03:06.000 So, while I know that we disagree on a few fundamental matters, we don't disagree on the importance.

00:03:16.000 Absolutely.

00:03:18.000 And that is quite the segue to what we're going to be talking about this hour.

00:03:22.000 And so I was texting you back and forth because in that conversation with Tucker, the COVID vaccine and the COVID shot came up as a topic.

00:03:30.000 We had a guest on last week, the commissioner of the FDA, Marty McCary, who signaled that probably maybe the COVID shot will be removed from the childhood vaccination schedule.

00:03:41.000 This is a must.

00:03:42.000 This is an imperative.

00:03:44.000 Brett, let's just kind of get through the facts here.

00:03:47.000 It's still on the childhood vaccination schedule.

00:03:49.000 What is the significance of that?

00:03:51.000 Let's start there.

00:03:52.000 Well, there is a tremendous significance at multiple different levels.

00:03:56.000 And I will say, I'm sure we will talk later in the hour about President Trump and his relationship to these vaccines and what I think it implies for his second term.

00:04:09.000 The fact of the mRNA vaccines being on the childhood schedule is not his responsibility, and his ability to right this great wrong is a tremendous opportunity for him.

00:04:21.000 I hope he will recognize that.

00:04:23.000 The first thing to say, though, is that there was never any justification for injecting kids with these mRNA shots.

00:04:32.000 Healthy young people tolerated COVID very easily from the beginning.

00:04:38.000 So there was no argument that we were protecting them by doing so.

00:04:42.000 The only argument you could make that might have justified it was the idea that there were unhealthy old people who were vulnerable and that somehow vaccinating the young would protect them. 0.95

00:04:56.000 We now know better than that because we know the shots don't block transmission.

00:05:00.000 But even if we thought that they were going to block transmission, there has never been a moral society that has decided to risk the health of young people to protect the old. 0.95

00:05:11.000 It's supposed to be exactly the inverse.

00:05:14.000 Can we just pause on that for a second because we have a full hour to explore this.

00:05:17.000 That's what was so creepy about COVID was the moral inversion where...

00:05:22.000 Our society basically decided to sacrifice the young to save the old. 0.98

00:05:28.000 Is that a fair characterization?

00:05:31.000 It is fair and obscene that we ever contemplated this.

00:05:36.000 The old should always be willing to die to protect the young. 1.00

00:05:40.000 That's how it is.

00:05:41.000 That's the basis of a moral society.

00:05:44.000 And the idea that without comment, we inverted that, is an indicator of just how sick our society has become.

00:05:52.000 And the justification, just so we're clear, we're still seeing the after effects of this.

00:05:57.000 College professors, high school teachers say this is a disaster from what happened in COVID.

00:06:02.000 Kids locked up for those one to two years are all messed up.

00:06:05.000 And interestingly, they're actually gravitating more towards the conservative message because of the...

00:06:11.000 The disaster that they've experienced in their generation.

00:06:14.000 So just to kind of put one more point on this, though, why was there not more pushback on the moral stance of this during COVID?

00:06:24.000 Have we done a good enough job of explaining that?

00:06:26.000 Because we did this crazy thing.

00:06:29.000 We locked down the country.

00:06:30.000 We did all this.

00:06:31.000 I don't feel as if we've had a truth and reconciliation commission, if you will, post some of the greatest mistakes in the modern era.

00:06:39.000 Yes, it has been fended off by people who have a lot of explaining to do and who have never apologized for the damage that they did to children and to the whole of society.

00:06:49.000 I think it is urgent that we have that discussion.

00:06:52.000 Whatever the answer may be, whether it vindicates them or causes us to understand the full depths of what they did, we have to know so that we don't repeat those errors.

00:07:05.000 And I don't think we ever had an open conversation about any of the moral inversions that took place in the COVID era.

00:07:13.000 This was done with the tools of a witch hunt that simply demonized anybody who departed from this manufactured consensus.

00:07:24.000 And, you know, the truth is that pressure has never fully lifted.

00:07:35.000 Is still fully demonetized and apparently capped in its growth by YouTube.

00:07:40.000 They've never explained themselves and they've just simply left that in place.

00:07:45.000 And more to the point, the vaccine injured are still being gaslit about their profound injuries.

00:07:52.000 These are people who deserve every bit of help that we can give them.

00:07:55.000 And it doesn't matter whether...

00:07:56.000 They were vanishingly rare or extremely common.

00:07:59.000 Whether there were five or five hundred thousand of them, we owe people who were injured by these shots every attempt to make them healthy.

00:08:07.000 And instead we are pretending that their injuries are in their head and it's simply ghastly.

00:08:14.000 So let us return to a deliberate moral society in which we talk about our differences and we investigate what we've done and what we thought it was going to accomplish and what it actually accomplished, because that's the only way we're going to move forward.

00:08:30.000 So we have this problem.

00:08:32.000 How many...

00:08:33.000 Kids have received the mRNA COVID shot.

00:08:36.000 When I mean kids, I mean under the age of two.

00:08:39.000 I don't know, but the fact that they're being recommended by the CDC for children above six months of age suggests that the number is going to be surprisingly substantial.

00:08:52.000 Because put yourself in the mindset of a young parent, maybe even a first-time parent, who's being told by a doctor that in order to do right by your child's lifetime health, you have to give them a series of vaccinations, that these things are safe and effective, they've been thoroughly tested.

00:09:09.000 If you don't give them to your child, your child is going to be at risk and it's going to be your fault.

00:09:13.000 Most parents don't have the wherewithal to ask the doctor the kinds of questions that that doctor needs to be asked.

00:09:21.000 Even if they knew what those questions are, which most of them don't.

00:09:26.000 So I would imagine that although in the general population, the number of people receiving these shots has dropped down to the low double digits, with respect to children, newborns, the number is bound to be substantial because nobody wants to go up against the CDC's recommendation.

00:09:47.000 There's so much there, what you just said, that's worthy of unpacking.

00:09:50.000 I don't know if we have time this hour.

00:09:52.000 We have a break.

00:09:53.000 We are going to go through the breaks here to be respectful of your time, which is the emotional and medical blackmail that some pediatricians exert over parents with their kids when it comes to the COVID shot is disgusting.

00:10:06.000 It's wrong.

00:10:07.000 Where they'll say, well, if you don't take the COVID shot, this, this, this, this, this, this, it can happen.

00:10:12.000 Not just the lost jobs, but they'll make you feel as if you're abusing your child as a parent.

00:10:19.000 Some of these pediatricians will pull rank and say, you are going to be guilty of a crime against humanity if you don't give them the mRNA shot.

00:10:28.000 Which, based on my understanding and based on what you've said, we'll pick this up in a second, the terrible irony is it actually hurts their ability to fight COVID.

00:10:37.000 You're actually making their immune system weaker, not stronger.

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00:11:44.000 Dr. Weinstein, does the COVID shot improve or hurt your immune system?

00:11:49.000 That's a very important question, and I will say that those doctors who are recommending it to new parents are engaged in what I believe is beyond criminal negligence.

00:12:03.000 It's depraved indifference because we now know that there is substantial damage that comes from these shots.

00:12:08.000 They're also not confessing.

00:12:11.000 The incentives that they are given for giving these shots to their patients.

00:12:16.000 Effectively, doctors are working on commission and most patients have no idea.

00:12:21.000 But in the case of the COVID shots, we know now that they do damage to the immune system in two ways.

00:12:28.000 They cause immune dysregulation.

00:12:31.000 So a system that...

00:12:34.000 Is built to be able to fend off any disease that you should encounter in life is becoming less capable because it's confused.

00:12:41.000 But more to the point, we know that anyone who gets two or more of these shots starts to produce something called IgG4.

00:12:52.000 Now, IgG4 is a special class of antibody that the immune system produces when it needs to turn itself down.

00:13:01.000 And so...

00:13:02.000 What has long been known is that, in fact, these COVID shots make you more likely to catch COVID.

00:13:09.000 One of the reasons is likely to be the production of this special IgG4 antibody, which triggers the immune system to downregulate.

00:13:18.000 So as soon as we knew that that was a consequence, nobody should have received any more of these shots because we have no idea in the long run.

00:13:29.000 is it should be negative.

00:13:30.000 Do you think the consensus growing amongst Bobby Kennedy, Marty McCary, and Jay Bhattacharya is consistent with what you just articulated?

00:13:38.000 Yes, and I believe they are stuck in a difficult position because of the political realities of the jobs they now hold.

00:13:46.000 But yes, I believe these results are sufficiently straightforward and their implications sufficiently stark that we would be in agreement.

00:13:53.000 I want to talk about the political realities because You said something very interesting previously, and I want to hone in on that, that President Trump was conned by some of these vaccine companies.

00:14:03.000 And I actually, when I sit with President Trump, I do give him credit.

00:14:07.000 His intention and his ability to do something fast was great.

00:14:10.000 He was lied to, though, by these vaccine companies.

00:14:14.000 Under normal circumstances, what he did was awesome.

00:14:17.000 And I think that is an important component that needs to be repeated.

00:14:20.000 Let's talk about the politics of it.

00:14:23.000 President Donald Trump has been doing a great job fulfilling promises on this.

00:14:27.000 I'm going to both publicly and privately be pushing this one to try to get it off the childhood vaccination schedule, which I'm told also comes with certain immunity and legal protections.

00:14:38.000 I've heard that debated, and maybe you can prove me right or prove me wrong on that.

00:14:42.000 But I think we also need to show a great deal of not just compassion but understanding President Trump's position here.

00:14:50.000 He says, look, the nation was in a stated crisis at the time.

00:14:53.000 Whether it was a legitimate crisis or not, we now can look back.

00:14:56.000 But it felt like a crisis, therefore it's a crisis.

00:14:59.000 It was a frenzy.

00:15:00.000 He believes, and he's right, that he brought in almost all these big companies and got them to do something fast and got them to do it, looking through a prism of someone who is going to soon have been 79 years old, that vaccines are good and vaccines are necessary, and he got them to do it and bring it to market.

00:15:18.000 However, what they didn't tell him was all of this ridiculous technology behind it and the nefarious action.

00:15:23.000 And I think that there's a great opportunity for him to save lots of lives and also just show that this shot should be...

00:15:33.000 I would agree, and I would go even further.

00:15:42.000 I feel a lot of compassion for President Trump.

00:15:47.000 He did do something remarkable in his response to the emergency that we at least believed we had at that point.

00:15:55.000 It wasn't his failure.

00:15:57.000 He's not a biologist.

00:15:58.000 He's not a doctor.

00:15:59.000 He's not a vaccinologist.

00:16:00.000 He can hardly be expected to understand the hazards that were lurking inside of this platform.

00:16:07.000 But it wasn't just the companies that lied to him.

00:16:11.000 It was actually his deputies, federal employees, including the most...

00:16:15.000 Highly paid federal employee of all, Dr. Fauci, lied to him about the situation that we were in and about the safety and efficacy of these mRNA shots.

00:16:27.000 If I were him, I would be proud of the accomplishment of getting them to market so quickly, and I would be livid with the people who conned him.

00:16:35.000 Absolutely.

00:16:36.000 I would also be very interested in getting to the bottom of how that happened.

00:16:39.000 He was lied to by Pfizer.

00:16:40.000 We know it.

00:16:41.000 He was lied to not just on the testing, but on the timeline and the efficacy of it.

00:16:45.000 And so I have faith, based on what Dr. Makaria said, I've not had a chance to talk to the president on this.

00:16:52.000 Again, I have nothing to gain here except that this is the right decision.

00:16:56.000 And so let's zero in on another element here, though, which I think is very important.

00:17:02.000 So when it comes to children, though, If you were to strongman the argument, Brett, because I always like to do this, what is the strongman argument from that Peter Hotez or whatever, who's always on TV, of why on earth does a child even need a COVID shot?

00:17:21.000 What is the best possible argument that one could make?

00:17:24.000 I'm a huge fan of the idea of...

00:17:27.000 Steelmanning your opponent's argument.

00:17:29.000 But I have a requirement.

00:17:30.000 I think steelmanning is only appropriate when your opponent is making an argument in good faith.

00:17:36.000 And it is absolutely clear to me that Peter Hotez and Paul Offit are making arguments in bad faith.

00:17:44.000 I don't think it is possible to make a credible good faith argument for injecting an mRNA COVID shot into a healthy child.

00:17:52.000 I don't think it's possible.

00:17:54.000 If I could come up with something, I would do it just for the exercise.

00:17:57.000 But I really think it is outside the scope of the process of steel manning in order to understand.

00:18:04.000 Because deep down, they know that these shots are going to kill and injure children who would otherwise tolerate COVID just fine.

00:18:13.000 And, you know, that's on them.

00:18:15.000 So just reiterating on the liability protection, if it's removed from the childhood vaccination schedule...

00:18:20.000 What does that mean for potential legal liability for these companies?

00:18:24.000 Well people need to understand that there is a strange nuance in the law.

00:18:29.000 Any shot that is on the childhood vaccine schedule carries full legal liability protection even in the form Injected into adults.

00:18:42.000 So these companies have an incentive to put this on the childhood vaccine schedule, even if there is no medical or epidemiological justification for doing so.

00:18:52.000 By doing so, their adult vaccines escape lawsuits.

00:18:57.000 Now, in the case of the COVID vaccines, I believe there is a double immunity that they are protecting.

00:19:05.000 But it is hard to nail down the details because they've played a shell game with us.

00:19:09.000 What they did was they sought EUA, that is emergency use authorization, for the initial shots in the early parts of COVID.

00:19:19.000 And that EUA carried liability protection of its own.

00:19:25.000 Then they got approval from the FDA in a more normal version of the process.

00:19:32.000 And that should have...

00:19:35.000 Removed the liability protection that came from the EUA version of the shot, but they have continued to inject the pre-licensure The EUA version.

00:19:48.000 So I think the answer is that ironically, it's difficult to figure out whether the removal of the COVID shots from the childhood vaccine schedule, which is an obvious thing to do if you're interested in improving the health of Americans, whether or not that would return the ability to sue these companies for harms or not.

00:20:07.000 My guess is they're leaving it legally ambiguous because they intend to use that backup argument if they are ever called onto the car.

00:20:19.000 And just think about how sinister that is.

00:20:21.000 So we want to keep something on a vaccination schedule that's bad because we're afraid we might be open to legal protection.

00:20:29.000 If I were to steelman the argument, though, to strongman it, they would say, well, this vaccine was approved unanimously by the FDA-CDC board.

00:20:38.000 You remember that vote.

00:20:40.000 Are you trying to say that there's a conspiracy amongst all of them?

00:20:43.000 That's what people would possibly say.

00:20:45.000 What is your best response to that?

00:20:46.000 Well, I have two responses.

00:20:48.000 One is that the word conspiracy has become fraught.

00:20:52.000 But in business, there are secrets and strategies.

00:20:56.000 And that happens both when a product is brought to market that's on the up and up and good for people and when the product is diabolical and there has to be a way to keep the cost of the liability.

00:21:11.000 So the fact that people in business are strategizing in an effort to make their business profitable shouldn't surprise anyone.

00:21:21.000 What should shock us is that in this case... 0.86

00:21:25.000 Keeping these vaccines on the childhood schedule in order to maintain liability protection implies a willingness to maim and kill children.

00:21:38.000 Children are by definition innocent.

00:21:41.000 They are also by definition not capable of informed consent.

00:21:46.000 So to do this is diabolical.

00:21:48.000 I completely and totally agree.

00:21:51.000 And so it keeps coming back to this moral question of why are we so willingly kind of throwing our children away for our own selfish ambition?

00:22:03.000 Do you think the country of 50 years ago would have put up with this, morally?

00:22:07.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:22:09.000 I think this has opened our eyes to what's been going on behind the scenes, if we've been paying attention.

00:22:16.000 My sense is probably not.

00:22:17.000 I think the country of 50 years ago was a much more sober and reasonable place.

00:22:23.000 But whatever's going on, I think we need to get to the bottom of it.

00:22:29.000 This has to not be allowed to happen again.

00:22:31.000 And I would also point out that much effort has been spent to get people to assume that the problem with the mRNA...

00:22:41.000 COVID shots was the choice of the spike protein.

00:22:44.000 This is not the reality.

00:22:47.000 The reality is that the platform itself causes arbitrary damage around the body, which is why the list of symptoms for the vaccine injured is so large and hard to define.

00:22:59.000 This is capable of destroying tissue in any organ in your body, including your heart, including your nervous system.

00:23:05.000 It's capable of causing cancers.

00:23:08.000 It's Dysregulation of immunity and all of those things are extremely destructive of the quality of life and in many cases they can end it.

00:23:20.000 So we have to be aware that while we are worried about the COVID shots on the childhood vaccine schedule, the industry is interested in reformulating every shot in their arsenal on the mRNA platform and we must not allow that to happen.

00:23:35.000 Has this made you rethink other vaccines?

00:23:37.000 Yes, unfortunately, it has.

00:23:39.000 And I've learned a ton about the fact that what I understand the mechanism of vaccines to be is sound scientifically, but the formulations, the other ingredients in them, things like adjuvants, are extremely dangerous.

00:23:55.000 And if I could just say before we end the segment, I'm here in Austin for the premiere of a marvelous documentary about the vaccine injured from the COVID campaign.

00:24:06.000 It's called Follow the Silenced.

00:24:08.000 And you can watch the premiere of it tonight at 7 p.m.

00:24:11.000 Eastern at followthesilenced.com.

00:24:13.000 I think it will give people a real sense for how much harm was done and how much we are compounding that harm by gaslighting the vaccine injured.

00:24:21.000 It's time for this to stop and it's time for President Trump to realize.

00:24:25.000 The existence of these shots on the childhood schedule is not his responsibility, but he's going to inherit responsibility for harm to children who are injected from this point forward if he doesn't get them pulled.

00:24:37.000 I think we're moving in the right direction.

00:24:39.000 I do.

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00:25:47.000 Dr. Weinstein, remind the audience how you got into this in the first place because actually it was your Dark Horse podcast that is now demonetized where you had Dr. Malone.

00:25:56.000 I remember it vividly.

00:25:57.000 It was three weeks out from my wedding and I was listening to this and I followed you for years but I always thought that you were just a liberal and that's fine but a free speech liberal and you were saying stuff that nobody else was saying and there was a pattern recognition happening with you and Dr. Malone.

00:26:11.000 I was like, whoa.

00:26:12.000 This is bad.

00:26:13.000 So just kind of retell that story briefly and then also follow the silence, please.

00:26:16.000 Sure.

00:26:17.000 Well, I was going to have Steve Kirsch on my show.

00:26:21.000 He's a technologist, the inventor of the optical mouse, and he had discovered some very shocking patterns with respect to the harms of these mRNA.

00:26:31.000 COVID shots early on.

00:26:32.000 But I was concerned that as a technologist, he wasn't in a great position to address these things.

00:26:38.000 And he suggested that Robert Malone, his friend, come on.

00:26:41.000 And I'd never heard of Robert Malone before.

00:26:43.000 I think almost nobody had.

00:26:46.000 And he told me that Robert Malone was in fact the inventor of the mRNA technology at the heart of the shots, which I found hard to believe.

00:26:53.000 But I checked into it and the story was absolutely correct.

00:26:57.000 To make a long story short, Robert and Steve came on my podcast.

00:27:02.000 We did it live on YouTube and it resulted in YouTube threatening the channel.

00:27:07.000 They pulled down the video, they demonetized the channel and they threatened to remove us completely, which we were able to stave off when I went on.

00:27:16.000 Joe Rogan's program, and I think that caused YouTube substantial embarrassment.

00:27:21.000 But nonetheless, on the show that Steve and Robert and I did together, it became very clear to me that Robert Malone is exactly what he says, and that his understanding of the danger of these shots is profound.

00:27:36.000 For him to show up as a...

00:27:39.000 The adversary of the technology that he invented, because it's not safe enough to be injected into humans or indeed into other living creatures, is remarkable, and it has completely changed the status of the dissident movement with respect to COVID.

00:27:57.000 Now, Charlie, you mentioned the vaccine injured, and I will say that as much as the biological details of the harm done to the body is fascinating to me, I am shocked by the tragedy of the vaccine injured and what we have done to them.

00:28:15.000 Anybody who thought they were doing their part by getting this shot and then found themselves injured deserves our compassion and our help, and it doesn't matter how many of them there are.

00:28:27.000 I'm in Austin for the premiere of a documentary called Follow the Silenced.

00:28:33.000 You can watch that premiere tonight at followthesilenced.com at 7 p.m. Eastern.

00:28:38.000 It will be followed by a panel discussion hosted by me where I will talk to some of the vaccine injured.

00:28:43.000 And I think once people realize what these people have been put through, they will finally understand what's been going on with respect to hiding the damage of these.

00:28:56.000 Shots.

00:28:56.000 And just, you say something that's really important there, the gaslighting.

00:29:01.000 These are people that have been, some of which can't walk, they've been paralyzed, they have myocarditis, some of them have postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome, they have...

00:29:10.000 All sorts of litany of issues.

00:29:12.000 And we don't even know that to the extent these, I mean, they're going to keep on popping up and popping up.

00:29:17.000 You mentioned informed consent, which I really like.

00:29:19.000 I think that it's a really good framing.

00:29:21.000 Children definitionally at the age of eight months do not have informed consent.

00:29:26.000 A lot of the vaccine injured, by the way, also didn't have informed consent because they didn't know what the heck was being put in their bodies.

00:29:31.000 So you have to get it.

00:29:32.000 You have to get it mandatory.

00:29:34.000 You have no choice whatsoever.

00:29:36.000 And so the informed consent component of this.

00:29:40.000 Shouldn't the moral principle be we should only put things into young people's bodies that we are beyond 100% positive are not going to harm them?

00:29:51.000 And somebody said something recently about DNA contamination.

00:29:56.000 What is that?

00:29:57.000 And I have a second follow-up on that.

00:29:59.000 What is this DNA contamination issue?

00:30:01.000 Well, let me address the multiple things that you raise.

00:30:05.000 Informed consent is the central principle of modern medicine.

00:30:09.000 We literally, after World War II, hanged seven doctors for violating the informed consent of their patients, even though it had not been codified, which it now has in the Nuremberg Code.

00:30:18.000 Informed consent could not possibly have been reached in the case of the COVID vaccines.

00:30:24.000 No one on earth knew what they were going to do long term, and as the evidence for harm accumulated, it was buried.

00:30:32.000 By the powers that be, so that no patient was informed, even if they consented, they were not in a position to do it from a position of knowledge.

00:30:41.000 So it was a very serious breach of literal hanging offense.

00:30:48.000 And then to compound this...

00:30:53.000 I could go on for hours about the fate of the vaccine injured, but just understanding that when the vaccine injured finally came to understand that they weren't individual cases, that there were in fact tens of thousands of people suffering from the same symptoms, when they gathered on Facebook, the government strong-armed Facebook into removing the discussion groups in which they were learning to help themselves out.

00:31:17.000 Can you imagine?

00:31:19.000 That you would take people who were having some terrifying experience in the aftermath of a shot and you would prevent them from talking to each other in order to protect your position in the market?

00:31:31.000 I can't really even find the words to describe how horrifying that is.

00:31:39.000 Now, you asked about DNA contamination.

00:31:43.000 DNA contamination is largely something we are aware of because of the work of Kevin McCarnan.

00:31:49.000 who has discovered that although the shots were licensed based on one technology for their production a very expensive technology the manner of production was changed in the aftermath of them being licensed for distribution and that new technology is cheaper and involves the use of DNA plasmids these DNA plasmids are not being And

00:32:19.000 so while the label on the shot says it's mRNA, they actually contain DNA, including something called the SV40 promoter, which is actually a known carcinogen.

00:32:32.000 This is a promoter from a monkey virus that is getting into people's bodies, and it is fully capable of changing DNA in their cellular genomes.

00:32:45.000 I know that all sounds very complicated, but the thing to understand here is that as bad as it is to inject these things into adults, when you inject something into a child that can modify the genome in their cells, it has a much greater effect because those cells go on to produce a large number of daughter cells as the child grows.

00:33:08.000 So we're seeing the harms in adults, but the harms in children ought to be much greater.

00:33:13.000 And the bait-and-switch that they played with their Process 1 and Process 2 shots create even more jeopardy for children.

00:33:21.000 The younger, the worse the jeopardy.

00:33:23.000 So now we're getting towards an even more fundamental truth, which is should the mRNA technology continue to be used?

00:33:31.000 Because they're now planning more mRNA vaccines.

00:33:35.000 This is not the last.

00:33:36.000 This is the trial run.

00:33:39.000 Should we suspend or disallow this technology?

00:33:44.000 And the proponents say, you don't understand.

00:33:46.000 This is an amazing thing.

00:33:48.000 It conforms to your DNA.

00:33:49.000 And you as an evolutionary biologist, I can imagine just the sirens are going off.

00:33:56.000 Should we suspend use of mRNA technology?

00:33:58.000 A hundred percent.

00:34:00.000 There is no way to make a shot on the mRNA platform that is not going to do damage across the body.

00:34:07.000 And the reason is because the shots don't stay where you inject them.

00:34:11.000 And that once they escape the injection site, what they do is they invade whatever cells they encounter.

00:34:16.000 They trigger those cells to produce a foreign protein, which causes your own immune system to target those tissues and destroy them.

00:34:23.000 There are places in your body where you can tolerate that, and there are other places in your body where you can't.

00:34:29.000 So you're rolling the dice every time you get one of these shots, and it has nothing to do with it being for COVID.

00:34:36.000 So the fact that there is this momentum It's really about the fact that the industry knows how much money can be made by reformulating shots on the mRNA platform.

00:34:46.000 It's not about human well-being, and it will cause exactly the opposite.

00:34:51.000 I would invite people to look at Robert Malone's most recent post on his Substack, where he describes the industry trade group that is responsible for managing the image of it.

00:35:04.000 MRNA technology.

00:35:06.000 These people know what they're doing.

00:35:08.000 They understand how much money they stand to make by doing it.

00:35:12.000 And they are in some sense gaslighting the whole of civilization and the federal government in order to get it done.

00:35:18.000 It's deeply immoral and we should spare no effort to prevent them from succeeding.

00:35:25.000 I want to spend some time, about five minutes, at the end of the hour.

00:35:28.000 And thank you, Dr. Weinstein.

00:35:29.000 I know you're very busy.

00:35:30.000 I know you have the premiere here and you have a lot going on.

00:35:32.000 But this is critical.

00:35:33.000 By the way, we're going to post this entire conversation on our podcast page.

00:35:37.000 But I just told our team, we're going to post this whole thing on X. The entire conversation.

00:35:40.000 I want the world to see it.

00:35:42.000 I want this to get a million views, two million views.

00:35:44.000 We almost never do that.

00:35:46.000 We're just going to put that up there, though, so the whole world can just kind of fast forward, go through it.

00:35:50.000 Because there's so much depth that we've covered here.

00:35:53.000 But at the end of the conversation, I want to repeat the call to action.

00:35:56.000 I also want to talk about how we are in a, I would say, blessed, you would probably say fortunate, position that we have a team in D.C. that is really, really good on this.

00:36:06.000 Bhattacharya and Marty McCary and Bobby Kennedy, we could not ask for a better team as a baseline to get this done.

00:36:14.000 And so we need to be very thankful for that.

00:36:17.000 And we need a whole widespread medical reset.

00:36:20.000 The other part of this, which one works in the other, is the assault on freedom of speech and the censorship around this topic.

00:36:26.000 I don't think we've really reconciled that, and we've actually come to terms on what we were willing to do in regards to the suppression of dissonant ideas in the medical field.

00:36:39.000 What does a mechanic and auto shop owner in Georgia, a taco restaurant operator in Arizona, and a life-saving medical innovator in Tennessee have in common?

00:36:48.000 They're all small business owners and they're all thriving on TikTok.

00:36:51.000 Across the U.S., over 7.5 million businesses from family-owned shops to entrepreneurs are using TikTok to compete and grow.

00:36:58.000 We use TikTok all the time on The Charlie Kirk Show.

00:37:00.000 In fact, 74% of businesses on TikTok say TikTok has allowed them to scale their operations, increasing sales, and expanding to new locations.

00:37:09.000 And that growth means jobs.

00:37:10.000 Today, there's over 7.5 million U.S. businesses on TikTok employing more than 28 million people.

00:37:15.000 And that number keeps growing.

00:37:17.000 small businesses thrive on TikTok.

00:37:18.000 Learn more about TikTok's contribution to the U.S. economy at TikTokEconomicImpact.com.

00:37:26.000 The call to action here for the hour is obviously follow Dr. Brett Weinstein on all social media, but also check out the movie, followthesilenced.com.

00:37:35.000 That is followthesilenced.com, the hidden story of the human cost of censorship.

00:37:42.000 Followthesilenced.com.

00:37:44.000 The gaslighting that is going on about the vaccine injured is reprehensible.

00:37:50.000 Dr. Weinstein is with us.

00:37:52.000 So, Dr. Weinstein, if there's a very simple question, has anybody shown any contrition?

00:37:56.000 Any apology for what has happened that you know of?

00:38:00.000 It's shocking how few indications there have been.

00:38:04.000 I've heard calls for us to let bygones be bygones and move on, and I've seen a lot of scrambling by people in the middle ground, people who want to scold the dissidents and scold the system and thereby ascend to positions of power.

00:38:23.000 But I must tell you...

00:38:24.000 If you want this not to happen again, you actually have to confront what it is that the dissidents discovered.

00:38:31.000 The dissidents have to be understood to have been right in order to see how dangerous it was to allow the system to silence them during the pandemic.

00:38:40.000 And frankly, many of the things that we now agree to, things like the fact that this disease appears to have emerged from a laboratory, those things are only known to the public.

00:38:53.000 Because of the work of the dissidents.

00:38:56.000 Likewise, the damage done by the mRNA shots, the only reason the public has any idea about this is because we overcame the system's intent to keep us absolutely out of view.

00:39:09.000 So, if you don't want this to happen again...

00:39:12.000 You have to take the people who were right and you have to put them in the positions of power.

00:39:16.000 And we've got a pretty good start on that.

00:39:18.000 People like Jay Bhattacharya and Bobby Kennedy being in Washington is a hugely important development.

00:39:27.000 And believe me, industry understands how dangerous it is to their racket.

00:39:32.000 And they are acting both in public and in private to prevent it.

00:39:37.000 I would point directly.

00:39:40.000 To Senator Cassidy, who I don't know if you've seen this clip of him describing the concessions that he was able to get from Kennedy in order for Kennedy to be confirmed.

00:39:52.000 But if you want to know why things are moving slowly with respect to fixing the situation with the mRNA shots, I would look at Senator Kennedy and I would understand that he is a very powerful You mean Cassidy or Kennedy? 0.95

00:40:08.000 They're both from Louisiana.

00:40:09.000 I think you mean Cassidy.

00:40:10.000 He's the doctor.

00:40:10.000 Sorry, did I say Kennedy?

00:40:12.000 No, you did.

00:40:12.000 But that's okay.

00:40:13.000 I think you meant Cassidy, though.

00:40:14.000 I absolutely mean Cassidy.

00:40:16.000 I'm sorry.

00:40:16.000 But he's up for re-election in 2026, and frankly, he should be removed from office.

00:40:23.000 Yeah, and look, he also just, as a side note, voted to impeach President Donald Trump, just for the record.

00:40:28.000 Yep, he sure did.

00:40:31.000 I will say there was a moment we weren't sure if Bobby Kennedy was going to get through.

00:40:35.000 And I called Senator Cassidy and we kind of decided to lay down arms.

00:40:40.000 I said, hey, we had a good conversation.

00:40:43.000 I'm glad Bobby Kennedy proceeded.

00:40:45.000 But there's a lot there.

00:40:47.000 And there's also a lot of other HHS positions that are not yet Senate confirmed.

00:40:51.000 A lot more.

00:40:51.000 This is a theme that there's a lot more positions of good rock stars, including our Surgeon General, which we want to see.

00:40:59.000 Casey means get confirmed there.

00:41:02.000 So, Dr. Weinstein, I have an unusual question.

00:41:04.000 What was your greatest, let's say, disappointment from COVID that you learned?

00:41:10.000 Let's say a belief that you entered with COVID that you no longer have.

00:41:14.000 And then secondly, what has now given you the most hope going through these dark five years?

00:41:22.000 Excellent question.

00:41:23.000 I will say I am very careful to keep a list of things that I got wrong.

00:41:29.000 There were quite a number of them.

00:41:31.000 I think I was far too credulous at the beginning.

00:41:35.000 I believed what I was being told.

00:41:38.000 I thought masks stood a good chance of being useful at the point that they proved not to be useful.

00:41:44.000 I changed my position on that.

00:41:47.000 I thought there was an argument to be made for brief intense lockdowns.

00:41:52.000 I no longer believe that that's the case.

00:41:57.000 When I heard about the so-called vaccines that were being brought into, I don't even want to say the market, that were going to be used to control the so-called pandemic, I knew immediately that a new technology couldn't possibly be safe.

00:42:15.000 I knew that the argument that they were safe was a lie, but I did not understand.

00:42:20.000 Quickly enough that the idea that they were effective at controlling the spread of this disease was also a lie.

00:42:26.000 That took me a while to realize.

00:42:29.000 I could go on.

00:42:30.000 There are lots of places.

00:42:31.000 And I would just say, I think if people are expecting those in the public, whether they are professionals or not, to be right from the beginning, they've just simply understood the process incorrectly.

00:42:48.000 The important thing is that you take your best guess at first based on the evidence that you have and you allow your position to be upgraded by evidence as it emerges.

00:42:58.000 And I trust anybody who does that in good faith and I distrust anybody who fails to do it.

00:43:06.000 We're not looking for people to spot everything at the outset.

00:43:10.000 We're looking for people who know how to improve the quality of their models over time.

00:43:15.000 I know you touched on a little bit of kind of what gives you hope and what gives you optimism, but at this very moment, what are you most optimistic about and kind of connect that with the audience call to action?

00:43:26.000 Well, I'm extremely hopeful that with the team in Washington, that we can finally bring the full story of what happened during COVID into the light.

00:43:40.000 I believe it is the best chance that we will have in our lifetime to understand what's gone wrong with our society and to fix it.

00:43:48.000 I'm a little concerned that the president's understandable pride over Operation Warp Speed is getting in the way of the recognition of the horror of the shots that were brought to the public under that banner.

00:44:04.000 But I think the president is...

00:44:08.000 I'm going to come to understand that, first of all, he should begin to correct this error with the childhood vaccine schedule, which is not his responsibility.

00:44:19.000 He did not oversee the placement of those shots on the childhood vaccine schedule.

00:44:26.000 He doesn't want to inherit the harm done to children, new harm that hasn't been done yet.

00:44:31.000 He doesn't want that to be his responsibility.

00:44:33.000 So hopefully he will understand, since there's no medical or epidemiological argument for injecting children with mRNA-based COVID shots, that those shots should be pulled immediately.

00:44:44.000 And then having done that...

00:44:46.000 He's in an excellent position.

00:44:48.000 Any day of the week that he wants to, he can call Bobby Kennedy into his office and he can say, can you explain to me what is going on with the mRNA vaccine platform?

00:44:59.000 And Bobby Kennedy is as well-versed in this topic as anyone on Earth.

00:45:04.000 He is in a position to explain it in very clear terms.

00:45:07.000 I've learned things from him that I didn't know.

00:45:09.000 So it's wonderful that President Trump has that resource at his disposal, and I hope he will avail himself of it.

00:45:16.000 Dr. Weinstein, thank you so much.

00:45:18.000 Remind the audience anything you'd like to plug for our audience, and thank you for being so generous.

00:45:22.000 Come check us out on Dark Horse on whatever platform you use to listen to podcasts.

00:45:31.000 And you can subscribe to my X account at Brett Weinstein.

00:45:39.000 Brett has one T. And anyway, let's get these things off the childhood schedule.

00:45:44.000 It's critical.

00:45:46.000 I'm going to do everything I possibly can.

00:45:50.000 Excellent.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 16, 2025

Four Years Later, What We Know About mRNA Shots ft. Bret Weinstein

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