The Charlie Kirk Show - Fox News, R.I.P.? with Citizen Kane and Donald Trump Jr.

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00:01:01.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:45.000 Welcome back, everybody.

00:01:46.000 One of my favorite guests here.

00:01:48.000 He runs one of the fastest growing websites on the planet, citizenfreepress.com.

00:01:54.000 And millions and millions and millions of page views.

00:01:57.000 It is now 60% the size of Drudge.

00:02:00.000 I go to Citizen Free Press about five or six times a day.

00:02:03.000 I do my show prep on citizenfreepress.com.

00:02:06.000 And joining us now is the mastermind behind it all, Citizen Kane.

00:02:09.000 Mr. Kane, how are we doing?

00:02:11.000 Doing fantastic, Charlie.

00:02:12.000 How's it going?

00:02:13.000 I'm ready to win in 2024.

00:02:15.000 Can I say that enough?

00:02:17.000 Yes.

00:02:17.000 So, but do you have confidence in the current RNC regime to get us there?

00:02:21.000 Oh, you mean Ronna McDaniel and her fact-checking website?

00:02:27.000 I saw her on Fox News two weeks ago, I think it was, and they were promoting.

00:02:31.000 She was talking about the millions they had spent on this Joe Biden fact-checking website.

00:02:36.000 And anytime Joe said something that perhaps might not be true, all you'd have to do is go to this website and you'd get the real story.

00:02:44.000 And that's going to turn out 25 million new voters, Charlie.

00:02:48.000 Yeah.

00:02:49.000 So the question is: are the investments actually happening?

00:02:52.000 And so my question is, you know, on your website, you know the CFP community really well.

00:02:58.000 Are the grassroots like kind of over the RNC?

00:03:01.000 Have they turned the page?

00:03:02.000 Oh, completely.

00:03:04.000 By the way, that was sarcasm before about bringing out 25 million new voters.

00:03:09.000 If listeners can't tell, I'm not a huge fan of Ronald McDaniel.

00:03:12.000 Yes, they are over the RNC.

00:03:14.000 You have no idea.

00:03:15.000 You know, one of the things about CFP Nation and the people who comment there is it's straight MAGA.

00:03:20.000 It's pure MAGA.

00:03:21.000 And it's also people who are really, really well informed.

00:03:25.000 So they were involved in the Harme Dylan versus Ronna McDaniel RNC chairmanship battle.

00:03:33.000 And they are absolutely over the RNC.

00:03:36.000 They don't pay any attention.

00:03:37.000 They consider it a rhino organization if you want to know the truth.

00:03:42.000 Yeah, and we have to win, right?

00:03:45.000 And win at all costs.

00:03:46.000 And we have to build the infrastructure, invest in the outside groups.

00:03:49.000 And Kane, you and I were texting back and forth.

00:03:51.000 I think you sent me a text like 2 a.m. or 3 a.m.

00:03:54.000 And it was really smart where you said, you know, I'm thinking, this is what keeps me up at night.

00:03:59.000 Kane, is it time for us to prep the audience, prep the grassroots that one year from today, two things will likely be simultaneously true.

00:04:07.000 Trump will be the nominee, and he'll probably be facing anywhere between three to four separate criminal indictments.

00:04:14.000 Is that what we need to prep people for, Kane?

00:04:17.000 Yeah, well, that's what I try to do on the website.

00:04:20.000 You know, it's hard to be a truth teller.

00:04:21.000 People shoot the messenger.

00:04:23.000 And believe it or not, I wasn't staying awake extra at 3 a.m. when I texted you.

00:04:28.000 I was still working.

00:04:29.000 It's amazing. 0.98

00:04:31.000 That's how ridiculous my life is. 0.93

00:04:32.000 So I was still working. 0.64

00:04:33.000 And it just, yeah, it was an article that I just read on the Fannie Willis case.

00:04:38.000 And, you know, we both, you and I have discussed, there's a large indictment coming there.

00:04:42.000 It's going to be a conspiracy indictment.

00:04:44.000 Trump won't be convicted.

00:04:45.000 Jershowitz kind of confirmed what you and I have said in our previous discussions on this.

00:04:51.000 She's not going to get a conviction there, but she's going to become famous with the indictment.

00:04:56.000 And then we're looking at, you know, Jack Smith and DOJ special prosecutor.

00:05:00.000 And it seems obvious based on the fact that he spent seven hours sitting in on the Mike Pence J6 testimony, that he sat in personally on that.

00:05:09.000 And then what Julie Kelly has been reporting, it seems obvious to me that he's going to try to get some sort of conspiracy or even possibly, you know, seditious conspiracy charge against President Trump.

00:05:22.000 And then the fourth possibility is the Mar-a-Lago documents.

00:05:28.000 That's still out there.

00:05:29.000 And he's kind of signaled that he's moving into this idea of did Trump tell AIDS to move boxes?

00:05:36.000 There were a couple of Washington Post stories in the last 10 days about moving boxes.

00:05:41.000 And there was an implication there that that's an obstruction of justice.

00:05:44.000 So yes, to answer your question, we have to be prepared.

00:05:48.000 Look, let's not be surprised when this stuff happens.

00:05:51.000 He's going to be indicted by Fannie Willis this summer, and Jack Smith is most likely also going to indict before September.

00:05:59.000 I hope and pray that, you know, I can't remember if we talked about this last time, but there's no way they can keep Trump in prison pre-trial.

00:06:08.000 I know Julie has warned about.

00:06:10.000 No.

00:06:10.000 Yeah.

00:06:11.000 I just can't see a judge doing it.

00:06:13.000 Let's walk through this from, because you know the base super well, and I'm in touch with the base too, and we are in this program.

00:06:17.000 Kane, I think this only helps Trump in a primary.

00:06:21.000 Do you agree?

00:06:22.000 I think in a primary, it almost makes his case stronger.

00:06:26.000 They hate me so much.

00:06:26.000 I'm such a threat.

00:06:28.000 They have to indict me in separate jurisdictions.

00:06:30.000 And I try to drain the swamp and now they're out for revenge.

00:06:33.000 In a primary, I actually think this makes him ascend in popularity.

00:06:38.000 Do you agree?

00:06:39.000 Well, so far, the evidence points to that.

00:06:42.000 I mean, obviously, we're going to find out as these months pull, you know, as we move forward the next 60 days.

00:06:48.000 But yeah, look, I've told you before, Trump has gotten 20 to 30 points stronger in most of the polls since December.

00:06:57.000 DeSantis was close with him.

00:06:59.000 A lot of it was.

00:06:59.000 It was neck and neck and it just ended.

00:07:01.000 The question is, can it get neck and neck again, though, Kane, right?

00:07:03.000 I mean, if you were to kind of be the DeSantis Brain Trust, you know the base really well, is there a path towards making this competitive again?

00:07:11.000 Because this seems like a blowout.

00:07:13.000 And DeSantis is likely going to announce in the next week or two.

00:07:15.000 That's the biggest open secret in politics right now, right?

00:07:18.000 So, but is there a path there?

00:07:20.000 I'm not seeing the desire from the base.

00:07:22.000 I see people actually coalescing is the word I'm looking for around Trump, not really looking for other options.

00:07:31.000 Yeah, I don't think, you know, I was thinking about this last night and, you know, and DeSantis having 15 days now to fight, you know, to announce officially.

00:07:40.000 I don't really know why he's doing it.

00:07:42.000 I don't believe like others.

00:07:44.000 I do not believe that DeSantis is a rhino.

00:07:46.000 I do not believe that he's controlled by the rogues in the bushes.

00:07:50.000 I really, really like the guy.

00:07:51.000 I think he's done some fantastic work in Florida.

00:07:54.000 But the manga base has spoken.

00:07:56.000 They have coalesced.

00:07:57.000 That's a good word.

00:07:58.000 They've coalesced around Trump.

00:08:00.000 No, I do not see a path for him.

00:08:02.000 He might, you know, maybe after the Jack Smith indictments, DeSantis may be able to close the, you know, close the numbers by 10 points or so.

00:08:10.000 But I, look, the reaction of most people, we've seen it from the Durham stuff, right?

00:08:14.000 The reaction is to get pissed off and to dig deeper.

00:08:18.000 You know, this is caught, this really, really, on an emotional level, causes people to gravitate more towards Trump.

00:08:25.000 So I do not see a path for DeSantis.

00:08:27.000 And so I'm, in a sense, I'm a little bit worried about him because I feel like, look, he went out and raised a bunch of money last fall.

00:08:34.000 We know that he got, and a lot of people, I think it's disingenuous of people to say, look, that's all rhino money.

00:08:40.000 Well, you know what?

00:08:41.000 All of that money was supporting Trump in 2020 because that was the big deal, right?

00:08:45.000 Oh, these former Trump donors are now backing DeSantis.

00:08:48.000 So I don't want to criticize DeSantis for that, but he went out, he got money, and I think he's feeling pressure from those groups who are telling him we have to have someone other than Trump.

00:08:58.000 And he's feeling pressure, and that that's what's sort of pushing him to announce because the numbers do not show a path.

00:09:05.000 No, I agree.

00:09:06.000 And DeSantis has objectively been a fabulous governor of Florida, but look, you don't want to run into the Trump chainsaw, man.

00:09:14.000 Like, it's very hard, it's hard to heal and remedy your political reputation after Trump does what Trump does, right?

00:09:23.000 It's unique.

00:09:24.000 There is no precedent.

00:09:24.000 There is no parallel.

00:09:26.000 There is nothing like it, right?

00:09:28.000 He is relentless.

00:09:29.000 He is engaged.

00:09:30.000 He's ferocious, right?

00:09:32.000 And I'm afraid that one of our best governors is about to go through the ringer largely unnecessarily, right?

00:09:38.000 And so the question of why he's running, he might think he can win.

00:09:41.000 And maybe the DeSantis calculation is that, hey, you know, these indictments are going to weigh down Trump.

00:09:47.000 And, you know, DeSantis thinks he's going to attack him on popularity or electability.

00:09:52.000 And look, I've said before I want DeSantis to run, but I'll be honest, DeSantis missed his moment.

00:09:57.000 90 days ago, he should have elected.

00:09:59.000 If he wanted to really run, he should have run in February and March and made this a race, right?

00:10:03.000 Kane, at this point, we're looking at like 60-point deltas in some of these states.

00:10:08.000 60, 60, 30 seconds.

00:10:12.000 Those are big numbers.

00:10:13.000 Yeah, it's a huge risk, Charlie.

00:10:15.000 I wonder if you're inside my brain, man, because we think exactly the same.

00:10:19.000 Why is he going to put himself through the ringer?

00:10:21.000 Trump is ferocious.

00:10:23.000 Look, we had, I've got savage. 0.91

00:10:25.000 He's the best at it.

00:10:26.000 He's completely savage.

00:10:28.000 And I got the story up from Bobby Kennedy saying Trump is the greatest debater since Lincoln.

00:10:33.000 Like, why put if your opportunity to win is so small, if your odds are so low, why risk destroying your reputation and your future in order to take him on?

00:10:45.000 So I'm with you in that boat.

00:10:49.000 Is there a way for Trump to use the Durham report to preempt the indictments?

00:10:53.000 I think that if I were to give advice, I think Trump has to get ahead of the summer of indictments against him.

00:10:58.000 Make it no surprise saying these things are coming.

00:11:00.000 They're coming after me.

00:11:01.000 I think you almost have to make it less scintillating news story, right?

00:11:06.000 Because that's how the media is going to play it.

00:11:08.000 Independent media is ascendant and corporate media is struggling to find a place.

00:11:13.000 It's really interesting as we enter 2024.

00:11:16.000 Websites like Citizen Free Press, Charlie Kirk Show, Rumble are gaining steam and increasing in traffic and notoriety and trust.

00:11:25.000 Kane, do you have just any thoughts on this?

00:11:27.000 Top, you know, top of mind.

00:11:29.000 We're seeing the kind of corporate media Goliaths go under Vice, this expensive model, and the entrepreneurs, the guys like you that grind at 2 or 3 a.m., the shows like ours that work relentlessly.

00:11:39.000 It seems as if we're the ones that are increasing.

00:11:42.000 I think this is good for the conservative movement.

00:11:45.000 Do you agree?

00:11:46.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:11:48.000 I think we got over the hump.

00:11:50.000 It takes a while.

00:11:51.000 You have to build up a certain level of momentum and reach out there.

00:11:56.000 But with Bannon's show, with the success of War Room, with the success of your show, independent media.

00:12:04.000 Yeah, look, I mean, if you really want to get into it, Washington Times and Washington Examiner were the two biggest conservative websites 15 years ago.

00:12:12.000 They're now both practically forgotten.

00:12:14.000 They both do under 20 million page views a month.

00:12:17.000 And they've been replaced by, you know, Breitbart, Gateway Pundit, MySight, Daily Wire, a number of, you know, and then, so, yes, in general, it's the rise of independent media.

00:12:30.000 It's gaining strength every month, and it's going to help us in 2024, I think.

00:12:34.000 And so, how do you think Tucker plays into that?

00:12:36.000 You know, you and I have not a chance to dialogue on Tucker.

00:12:39.000 The CFP audience, I know, is really fired up on that.

00:12:42.000 And look, there's some new news out of Fox News.

00:12:44.000 Why don't you share our audience what the news out of Fox News is?

00:12:47.000 Well, this is Drudge claiming inside source.

00:12:50.000 And Mediaite has decided to repeat it.

00:12:53.000 Please continue.

00:12:54.000 Exactly.

00:12:55.000 Mediaite is going with the Drudge, the huge Drudge headlines. 0.95

00:12:58.000 I'm guessing it's Suzanne Scott.

00:13:00.000 That's likely his source at Fox News.

00:13:03.000 He's claiming that Fox News is shaking up the primetime lineup completely.

00:13:06.000 They're going to move Hannity to the 8 p.m. slot where Tucker used to be, and Gutfeld and Jesse Waters will be moved further up after Hannity into primetime.

00:13:17.000 Now, when Fox was reached for comment in that Mediaite story, they said that they're still looking at things.

00:13:23.000 But it looks like, you know, I think we at least discussed that Fox's ratings are down dramatically.

00:13:28.000 Over 50% in the 8 p.m. hour.

00:13:30.000 They thought this was going to be another Bill O'Reilly.

00:13:32.000 That was their mistake.

00:13:33.000 They thought we can get rid of this guy and our audience will forgive us.

00:13:36.000 They'll go on.

00:13:37.000 They didn't understand that Tucker brought this entirely new younger audience to Fox News and that viewership has left.

00:13:44.000 So I believe this is a move born out of panic.

00:13:47.000 They've been beaten in the, you know, in the important younger demographics multiple times in the past few weeks.

00:13:54.000 So I think this is a move out of panic.

00:13:56.000 Look, Hannity does some good stuff.

00:13:58.000 I don't want to, I'm not against, you know, I understand why people criticize him, but Hannity does good stuff, but he's not going to replace Tucker at eight o'clock.

00:14:07.000 Yeah, and I think Tucker also brought an ideological excitement to the network that was contrarian and really is where the American people are critical of Ukraine involvement.

00:14:18.000 Why do we have so many people coming to the country? 1.00

00:14:20.000 Hey, this vaccine thing is not what we said it was.

00:14:22.000 We're going to challenge corporate power.

00:14:23.000 And Tucker was unafraid and, of course, ridiculously articulate and just in once in a generation talent.

00:14:30.000 So you kind of combine the correct ideological approach, an amazing inquisitive talent with just his ability to write monologues and dialogues.

00:14:41.000 So he's going to Twitter or independent media.

00:14:43.000 Kane, what does 2024 look like if Tucker is unable to shake his Fox News contract?

00:14:52.000 Well, that would be horrible.

00:14:53.000 I was just going to comment.

00:14:55.000 Apparently, none of us know the details for sure, but rumors are leaking out that Fox News did not put Twitter in the non-compete.

00:15:04.000 So Tucker may have figured out a way to get paid $20 million a year by Fox, continue the contract, and then run his show on Twitter every night at 8 p.m. opposite Hannity.

00:15:15.000 So that would be a bit of revenge.

00:15:16.000 But what would 2024 look like without a voice like Tucker, an independent voice?

00:15:22.000 I don't want to think about it.

00:15:23.000 It would be horrific.

00:15:26.000 We can't lose.

00:15:27.000 Look, the guy was essentially the leader.

00:15:30.000 We all watched him every night.

00:15:31.000 He writes that monologue.

00:15:33.000 He writes, he spends all day doing it.

00:15:35.000 He does a fantastic job.

00:15:37.000 And that was where Patriot, that's where the mocker crowd gathered at 8 o'clock every night. 1.00

00:15:42.000 So if we don't have him, it's very, very bad news.

00:15:45.000 Yeah.

00:15:45.000 And you have to wonder who's actually going to be able to successfully then and effectively referee this primary, expose whoever the Democrat nominee is, which will likely be Biden and the entire regime.

00:15:56.000 Nobody did it quite like Tucker.

00:15:58.000 We've got to get him back into the arena, and it seems as if there's some lingering contractual issues there, and I hope he can get released soon.

00:16:06.000 Check out citizenfreepress.com.

00:16:08.000 Mr. Kane, we're out of time.

00:16:09.000 Thanks so much.

00:16:10.000 Loved it.

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00:17:22.000 Let's dive right in it.

00:17:23.000 We have Donald Trump Jr. joining us now.

00:17:25.000 Do we have Don on the phone?

00:17:26.000 We got everything good?

00:17:27.000 Don, how you doing?

00:17:28.000 I'm here, buddy.

00:17:29.000 I'm doing well, man.

00:17:30.000 How are you?

00:17:30.000 Yeah, good.

00:17:31.000 Don, I'm pretty fired up about this.

00:17:33.000 And, you know, in the previous segment, I was talking about, because I lived through it, and I remember when this was happening to you, the great injustice of the Russia hoax.

00:17:42.000 I believe this was a seditious conspiracy.

00:17:44.000 But Don, you lived through it in the sense with the Mueller investigation, which was completely unnecessary.

00:17:48.000 The lies against you, the Time magazine article and all that.

00:17:51.000 Don, what is your kind of reaction to how they tried to destroy your life based on a total, complete fabrication and a lie?

00:18:00.000 Well, listen, I think, obviously, I'm upset about it.

00:18:03.000 I went through a lot during that period of time.

00:18:05.000 That was certainly not easy.

00:18:06.000 I mean, you know, they wanted to try me for treason, Charlie, just so we're clear.

00:18:10.000 That's a crime punishable by death over nothing.

00:18:14.000 And they knew it was nothing.

00:18:16.000 And they all knew, and it didn't stop them.

00:18:17.000 And then, you know, then you get to the lesser things like millions and millions and millions of dollars on legal fees and getting dragged through the mud and the social and societal stuff that comes along with that kind of stuff.

00:18:28.000 But if you've been watching the way the left, the deep state, the uni party, if you watch the way that they behave and function, none of this should surprise anyone.

00:18:37.000 And what should really surprise no one is that absolutely nothing will happen to these people.

00:18:43.000 That's correct.

00:18:44.000 You have people who created memes on social media getting, you know, Ricky Vaughn is the character, at least on Twitter.

00:18:51.000 You had a great Twitter account.

00:18:52.000 He created a couple of memes.

00:18:53.000 He's going to go to jail for 10 years for a meme for disinformation.

00:18:58.000 But the leader of the FBI, people from the CIA, the same people who lied before Congress, whether it's Strzok and those guys, McCabe, lied before Cotton.

00:19:08.000 Not only do they not have consequences, Charlie, they get jobs at CNN and MSDNC.

00:19:16.000 They live happily ever after.

00:19:19.000 Where are the people that I've heard for the last seven years since we got into this stuff?

00:19:24.000 Where are the people screaming about democracy and the dies in darkness and all the hyperbole that we hear about those things?

00:19:31.000 Because they're strangely silent this week.

00:19:34.000 And they get cable news contracts.

00:19:37.000 They don't have their security clearances pulled.

00:19:39.000 Put up that Time magazine cover.

00:19:41.000 That was right when the lie against Don was coming out.

00:19:44.000 And they were doing everything they possibly can around this.

00:19:46.000 This was a seditious coup, a seditious conspiracy launched by the deep state itself.

00:19:52.000 And Don, my frustration with the whole Durham thing is like, okay, we have this report.

00:19:56.000 It confirms what we already knew five years ago, thanks to Kash Patel and Devin Nunez, right?

00:20:01.000 It's not exactly like it was new information.

00:20:03.000 And where was Durham's gusto that we see against Douglas Mackey?

00:20:08.000 I think that's such an important point, Don, where you have Douglas Mackey, who made memes, faces a decade in prison.

00:20:14.000 They go after Steve Bannon for lying to Congress, who now he faces prison time.

00:20:18.000 They go after Dinesh D'Souza for illegal campaign contributions.

00:20:22.000 They raid James O'Keefe's home.

00:20:24.000 I mean, the list continues on.

00:20:25.000 They're going to increase, according to all public reporting, the dragnet of January 6th defendants.

00:20:31.000 And so, Don, how should we approach this then, right?

00:20:36.000 Because some people are getting rather cynical and upset.

00:20:40.000 What is the best way the MAGA base can react to this repeated pattern of injustice?

00:20:47.000 Well, listen, I think you have to re-elect Donald Trump first and foremost.

00:20:50.000 I think that's the one guy who now gets it.

00:20:52.000 He knows where the bodies are buried.

00:20:54.000 He knows who he can trust.

00:20:55.000 He's not, you've seen, you know, sort of the billionaire donors that don't exactly want what the MABA base wants, try to abandon him and these sorts of things.

00:21:04.000 He's the one guy that can burn it all down to the ground because that's what has to happen, Charlie.

00:21:08.000 I mean, this is stage four cancer.

00:21:11.000 You've got to cut this stuff out.

00:21:12.000 You can't just say, okay, well, maybe we'll remove one guy's security clearance.

00:21:16.000 No, no, he'll get a job at Raytheon in two weeks.

00:21:19.000 His buddy will take care of him.

00:21:20.000 That's how this system works.

00:21:22.000 It's all driven around money.

00:21:23.000 And that's not money to benefit the American people.

00:21:26.000 That's money in the pockets of these people, these players.

00:21:29.000 That's why they're playing the game that way.

00:21:31.000 And again, when they're constantly rewarded, despite being bad actors, despite if they were conservatives, if they were a small guy that wasn't part of the club, they'd be in jail.

00:21:42.000 But the fact that nothing's going to happen to them, that this report gets slowrolled, I mean, we knew all this information five years ago, Charlie.

00:21:48.000 This is nothing new or surprising.

00:21:50.000 Exactly, people.

00:21:51.000 But it takes five years to do it.

00:21:52.000 And that's the problem.

00:21:53.000 We do, you know, and I get it.

00:21:55.000 Listen, I'm guilty of it myself.

00:21:57.000 We were right about the Wuhan Lab League theory.

00:21:59.000 Of course, we were right.

00:22:01.000 There was never a point where that wasn't like 100% the most plausible answer.

00:22:06.000 We were right about this.

00:22:07.000 But guess what?

00:22:08.000 We sit there, we told you so.

00:22:10.000 We knew we were right.

00:22:10.000 You know, every conspiracy theory, like virtually everyone, I mean, has been proven to be about 100% accurate two years later.

00:22:18.000 The problem is the other side got what they wanted from it at the time.

00:22:22.000 They notched the win.

00:22:23.000 They're laughing their asses off at us, Charlie, because they get the win.

00:22:27.000 You know, a couple of years later, you know, there's been exactly zero mainstream coverage of the Durham report, of the conclusions that we all knew.

00:22:36.000 Didn't stop them from doing any of these things.

00:22:38.000 And it's not going to stop them again because, again, they continually, they're rewarded for these kinds of behaviors.

00:22:43.000 They're not penalized.

00:22:44.000 No, that's exactly right.

00:22:45.000 And in fact, they are more emboldened than ever before.

00:22:48.000 And so, look, we got 2024 in front of us, Don.

00:22:52.000 It feels as if, I must feel for you, Don, you've had kind of like the BC and AD part of your life, like before the escalator and after the escalator, right?

00:23:02.000 I mean, like, what was that life even before?

00:23:04.000 And I think your attitude is correct.

00:23:05.000 It's like, look, this is my new life.

00:23:07.000 We're going to play to win.

00:23:08.000 We're not going to complain.

00:23:10.000 And so, Don, they're going to do everything they possibly can to launch, you know, Crossfire Hurricane 2.0 to try to throw kind of a new COVID issue into the 2024 election.

00:23:23.000 But first, we have to get through the primary.

00:23:25.000 Don, any initial reaction to the results out of Kentucky last evening?

00:23:29.000 It could show the power of a certain person's endorsement and the lack of power from somebody else.

00:23:34.000 What is your reaction?

00:23:36.000 Well, I think without question, you see that.

00:23:38.000 You saw the, you know, the Jacksonville mayor's race.

00:23:41.000 You know, we lost a Jacksonville mayor race, the town where Ron DeSantis was going to have his campaign headquarters when he eventually launches the largest, I believe it's the largest city in America that has been controlled by conservatives.

00:23:56.000 But he throws an endorsement, but then does nothing because he's on a perpetual book tour.

00:24:00.000 It's literally the longest book tour I've ever seen, Charlie, and I've written a couple of bestsellers.

00:24:05.000 It's longer than McCain's future.

00:24:06.000 You understand how that works.

00:24:07.000 That's like a book tour is three or four days over a period of 10 days.

00:24:12.000 You do a little bit of push on social afterwards, but no one's ever seen a six-month-long book tour while, you know, again, Florida or the people of Jacksonville or the candidates supposedly endorsed is neglected.

00:24:24.000 So we handed over the largest city in America in a red state controlled by Republicans right back over to the Democrats.

00:24:32.000 I'm sure that will work out well.

00:24:33.000 But that's what happens.

00:24:34.000 You know, the people of Florida, and I'm one of them, you know, the people of Florida elected Ron DeSantis to be governor, not to be running for two.

00:24:42.000 Is this going to happen for the rest of two years where there's going to be absentee leadership so he can fulfill something else after literally campaigning about fixing Florida and working on the things in Florida about five months ago?

00:24:54.000 I mean, that seems like a pretty serious bait and switch, and people have to think about that.

00:24:59.000 Yeah, and this seems as if, look, I'm getting frustrated because this is an unnecessary primary exercise in a lot of different ways.

00:25:05.000 Then you have all these one percenters that have almost no appeal whatsoever. 0.99

00:25:09.000 And the issue is this, Don.

00:25:11.000 They're going to have a coronation.

00:25:13.000 We're going to have a bidder primary, right?

00:25:15.000 Unless something changes, which doesn't seem as if that's going to happen.

00:25:19.000 And so, Don, the message of the MAGA base is that we should try to end this primary as quickly as possible, build a sizable operation and infrastructure in the early states.

00:25:30.000 And Don, you're the one saying it.

00:25:31.000 We're trying to do this at turning point action.

00:25:33.000 We need ballot chasers. 0.96

00:25:34.000 We need early voting operations.

00:25:37.000 Every dollar, Charlie, every dollar that we spend in a bidder primary so that a couple of really, really rich consultants can take 20% of every commercial that they put up for DeSantis or the others, that they can take 20% of every dollar raised when people send in campaign contributions to that.

00:25:56.000 Those guys are going to see $20, $30, $40, $50 million this cycle to themselves.

00:26:00.000 That's not raised.

00:26:01.000 That's into their pockets.

00:26:03.000 Campaign consultants, many of them, not exactly stellar records for success, but it doesn't matter.

00:26:07.000 They're getting rich.

00:26:08.000 They could care less about the ideology or the mission.

00:26:11.000 They're going to use it for fuel for their private plans.

00:26:13.000 That's the game, and people don't understand that.

00:26:16.000 And so every dollar, those guys need people like Aron DeSantis to run.

00:26:20.000 That's how they're going to get rich this cycle.

00:26:22.000 If they don't run, they don't make that money.

00:26:24.000 Therefore, they're going to do whatever they can to make sure that there's a campaign.

00:26:28.000 They're going to make sure they spend as much money as possible because they're going to earn umpteen.

00:26:33.000 You know how big some of those percentages are for some of these guys.

00:26:36.000 This is the hardest.

00:26:37.000 They get kickbacks and all the other pieces.

00:26:39.000 So every dollar that we waste in a bidder primary doing something that seems futile to me, maybe they can drag it out and make it more bitter and make it harder.

00:26:49.000 But every dollar we waste on that is a dollar we're not spending playing the game the Democrats have been playing, creating a ballot harvesting operation, making sure we get out there to those people, making sure we don't just say, hey, great, you love our ideas, that's wonderful.

00:27:03.000 But making sure we show up on their doorstep and be like, okay, give us your ballot.

00:27:06.000 We'll take it.

00:27:07.000 We'll submit it for you like the Democrats are doing.

00:27:09.000 We got to do that.

00:27:09.000 Each state is different and we're legal.

00:27:11.000 We got to do it.

00:27:12.000 But we need a serious war chest.

00:27:14.000 The other side is funded to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:27:18.000 The average race in America, we're being able to spend two, three, four, many times more than five to one.

00:27:25.000 Okay.

00:27:25.000 So it's not their ideas versus our ideas in a vacuum, in an equal space.

00:27:31.000 It's their ideas versus our ideas when they have 5x the spending.

00:27:36.000 They have a mainstream media that's almost 100% functioning as their marketing department.

00:27:42.000 They have a big tech enterprise that will smother anything negative like you see with the Durham report.

00:27:46.000 I mean, if it wasn't for a few people in social like you and me talking about this stuff, the mainstream media will cover it exactly zero.

00:27:52.000 Big tech will bolster that.

00:27:53.000 Big social will do the same.

00:27:55.000 And, you know, we're not in a fair fight, guys.

00:27:58.000 If you think that, you know, that's an opportunity that they're pushing these days.

00:28:02.000 We're actually winning culturally, in my opinion, right now.

00:28:05.000 But you can't win culturally when you have insurmountable obstacles, you know, like 10x, the money being spent, plus all the boosting from multi-trillion dollar organizations that are literally the most partisan and corrupted places, you know, outside of the FBI and DOJ that we could ever imagine.

00:28:21.000 In closing, Don, about one minute remaining, you do a show on Rumble.

00:28:24.000 I think independent media is going to be the key to the 2024 election.

00:28:28.000 What is your reaction?

00:28:29.000 I know you said you're no longer, you're not doing Fox anytime soon.

00:28:31.000 I'm just paraphrasing some of your tweets.

00:28:33.000 What can you share with your audience on the changing media landscape or our audience about that?

00:28:37.000 I think it's fascinating.

00:28:39.000 Yeah, listen, you know, I think, you know, I think we've seen a lot.

00:28:42.000 I think our eyes have been open to a lot in the media and both conservative and otherwise.

00:28:49.000 I think if we're not paying attention right now, then it is futile.

00:28:53.000 But I think people's eyes have to be open.

00:28:55.000 People have to also then get involved.

00:28:57.000 I mean, the biggest thing and so much of the design of so many of the things that they have done is to make us afraid, make you afraid to speak up, make you afraid to donate, make you afraid to voice your opinion and push back on the insanity that they're pushing. 0.91

00:29:11.000 I mean, again, whether it's the trans crap and the, you know, men and women's sports and all, like, the other side's lost their mind. 0.93

00:29:17.000 That's why I do think we're winning the culture wars. 0.98

00:29:19.000 We must, though, become unafraid, Charlie.

00:29:22.000 We have to be out there.

00:29:23.000 We have to be vocal.

00:29:24.000 We can do that respectfully.

00:29:25.000 But if you send one guy out there with Donald Trump by himself and you and me backing him up, like they can take us out.

00:29:32.000 They've proven that.

00:29:33.000 They can't do that if half the country, 175 million Americans.

00:29:36.000 I'm sure there's plenty of independents that are watching this stuff and saying, oh, my God, what's going on here?

00:29:42.000 We must become unafraid.

00:29:44.000 We must mobilize or it will all disappear and they will get what they want.

00:29:50.000 Donald Trump Jr., check out his show on Rumble.

00:29:52.000 It does a great job.

00:29:53.000 And Rumble Independent Media is doing very, very well.

00:29:56.000 Finally, a competitor to YouTube.

00:29:57.000 Don, thanks so much.

00:29:58.000 Really appreciate it.

00:29:59.000 Thank you, Charlie.

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00:31:06.000 What are the best places to live in America?

00:31:08.000 I mean, they come up with these reports all the time, but it's fascinating that U.S. News, who they think, where they think the best places to live in America are come move to these places.

00:31:18.000 What is desirable right now?

00:31:20.000 It's very interesting, and it's against so many of the mantras, so many of the orthodoxies, so many of the incantations that we hear.

00:31:31.000 Time and time again, people tell us what, oh, this is what makes America the best.

00:31:35.000 Do you know this?

00:31:36.000 But when they put together the list, it doesn't necessarily harmonize with the bumper sticker crowd.

00:31:46.000 It's fascinating.

00:31:47.000 U.S. News ranks the best places to live in the United States in 2023, 2024.

00:31:53.000 And we're going to commit some thought crimes.

00:31:55.000 I'm going to do so very carefully, but we're going to go through what they consider to be the best places to live in America.

00:32:04.000 How often have you heard diversity is our strength?

00:32:07.000 Diversity is our strength.

00:32:09.000 Diversity is our strength.

00:32:10.000 And I've always said, no, it's not.

00:32:12.000 That's not our strength.

00:32:12.000 Unity is your strength.

00:32:15.000 Intellectual diversity is nice, but racial diversity, just for the sake of it, is not anybody's strength. 0.96

00:32:20.000 It could be interesting, but it's not necessarily strength because racial makeup doesn't mean a lot, but the left thinks it does.

00:32:26.000 So U.S. News and Report has come out, ranks the best places to live in the United States in 2023 and 24.

00:32:33.000 And you can't help but notice when you go through the list of the top 10 of the best places to live, it goes completely against the left's cultish incantation of diversity is our strength.

00:32:47.000 So U.S. News Reports come out with the top 10 places to live.

00:32:50.000 Number one, Fayetteville, number 10, Fayetteville, Arkansas.

00:32:52.000 Number nine, Colorado Springs, Colorado.

00:32:54.000 Number eight, Charlotte.

00:32:55.000 Seven, Portland, Maine.

00:32:57.000 Six, Naples, Florida.

00:32:58.000 Five, Sarasota.

00:32:59.000 Four, Boulder, Colorado, which I got to be honest, I strongly disagree with.

00:33:05.000 Three, Raleigh in Durham, North Carolina, two, Huntsville, Alabama.

00:33:08.000 And number one, Green Bay, Wisconsin.

00:33:12.000 That's an interesting one to pick.

00:33:13.000 And so you have to ask the question.

00:33:15.000 They say, well, why did they pick that as number one?

00:33:17.000 It's just so funny.

00:33:18.000 They say, well, Green Bay, Wisconsin is a great place because of low crime, housing affordability, and they say high air quality.

00:33:28.000 Okay.

00:33:29.000 Right.

00:33:29.000 I'm sure that that really plays a big role in it.

00:33:32.000 Or is it just that Green Bay, Wisconsin is similar to the country that we have destroyed? 0.88

00:33:40.000 Green Bay still feels like the country that once existed.

00:33:43.000 I've been to Green Bay many times.

00:33:45.000 I love Green Bay, Wisconsin.

00:33:46.000 I've been there for Trump rallies.

00:33:47.000 I've been there to meet friends.

00:33:49.000 I've actually never gone to a Packer game there, planned to.

00:33:53.000 But what you notice when you go to Green Bay, Wisconsin, which strikes you and you moves you, is it's not an urban metroplex.

00:34:02.000 It's not an urban metropolis.

00:34:03.000 When I first went to Green Bay, the first time I ever went to Green Bay, I grew up in Chicago.

00:34:07.000 It's not too far away.

00:34:10.000 You're like, this is like Schomburg.

00:34:14.000 This is like a suburb.

00:34:16.000 And it's actually really nice.

00:34:17.000 It's very orderly.

00:34:19.000 You see, Green Bay, which is now independently called the nicest place to live in the country, is a country, is a city that believes in the rule of law, that doesn't believe in unlimited mass migration.

00:34:34.000 Green Bay is also against the demographic changes that they're pushing forward.

00:34:39.000 It's just a fact.

00:34:40.000 I'm not saying there's any reason for this, but they're celebrating Green Bay, Wisconsin.

00:34:45.000 They're really big into Green Bay, Wisconsin.

00:34:47.000 Okay.

00:34:47.000 Well, did you know that Green Bay, Wisconsin is 71% white?

00:34:56.000 It's interesting.

00:34:57.000 Are you allowed to even say that out loud?

00:34:59.000 I'm not saying there's a reason for that, but it also is against this idea that diversity is necessarily our strength.

00:35:05.000 And if you go through the list, you know what you notice in the top 10 best cities to live?

00:35:10.000 They're far away from the urban centers of San Francisco and Los Angeles, Seattle, Portland, New York, Philadelphia, Detroit, Chicago.

00:35:20.000 Those used to be some of the best places to live.

00:35:22.000 Now the best places to live are the farthest away you possibly can get from these urban centers.

00:35:31.000 Maybe Green Bay, Wisconsin, is popular because it's intimate.

00:35:39.000 It hasn't been overly industrialized.

00:35:41.000 The buildings aren't that tall.

00:35:44.000 People still drive.

00:35:45.000 They own land.

00:35:47.000 Maybe Green Bay, Wisconsin is considered the nicest place to live because there is a memory of what used to be.

00:35:54.000 The best places to live in America are largely the ones on the U.S. News Report list, places that have avoided becoming too popular, too urban, and too overcrowded.

00:36:05.000 Maybe the rush to the cities has been a very bad idea.

00:36:09.000 Maybe importing millions of foreigners into our country is a bad idea. 1.00

00:36:16.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:18.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:21.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

00:36:26.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 17, 2023

Fox News, R.I.P.? with Citizen Kane and Donald Trump Jr.

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