The Charlie Kirk Show - Freedom Night with Dr. Jeff Myers

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show, my conversation at Freedom Night at the Wonderful Dream City Christian Church with Jeff Myers from Summit Ministries.

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00:02:51.000 Thank you, everybody.

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00:02:54.000 It's interesting.

00:02:55.000 I was just asking Joe, when was the last time we gathered?

00:03:00.000 And he told me it was November 2nd.

00:03:03.000 Is that right?

00:03:04.000 November 2nd?

00:03:05.000 And boy, the world looked a lot different back on November 2nd, even after that.

00:03:09.000 And, boy, I'll be very honest, you know, it was a tough November for me personally.

00:03:15.000 Anyone else have a tougher than expected November?

00:03:18.000 Yeah.

00:03:20.000 Long lines, machines going down, you know, frustrations abundant.

00:03:24.000 Yeah, I mean, look, it was interesting.

00:03:26.000 I didn't just interesting, it was super frustrating for a lot of us.

00:03:30.000 And I know that as we continue to gather here now in this new year, some of you are a little bit demoralized and maybe saying, like, man, I'm looking for answers and all that.

00:03:40.000 And I spent a lot of time praying and meditating on this in December.

00:03:45.000 And I know a lot of you came to our event, America Fest.

00:03:49.000 And thank you for those of you that came.

00:03:51.000 It was terrific.

00:03:52.000 It was our largest event to date.

00:03:55.000 The enemy wants us to give up.

00:03:58.000 And part of why we continue to gather and we continue to have this night where we have open question and answer and some great experts is to get out of the house, is to be around people that are like-minded and go through the effort to say, I'm not giving up.

00:04:13.000 I'm going to keep on learning.

00:04:14.000 I'm going to keep on acting.

00:04:16.000 And I'm going to continue to do the right thing, even when it's difficult, even when it is harder than it needs to be.

00:04:24.000 And look, I mean, we need to be honest with both ourselves and with each other.

00:04:29.000 Things probably should have gone a lot differently.

00:04:32.000 Is that fair to say?

00:04:34.000 Can I say that?

00:04:35.000 And again, the essence of this gathering is not political, but you could tell a lot from elections, right?

00:04:40.000 You could tell a lot from politics.

00:04:42.000 And you can glean from it and you can think about it.

00:04:46.000 And I could say this, that so much of the work that you put in was not for nothing.

00:04:53.000 There was a lot to celebrate and there was a lot to look at.

00:04:56.000 But as we head into this next year, my challenge for all of you and for the church at large is we need to redouble our efforts in 2023.

00:05:08.000 And I know some of you are saying, man, I'm just so exhausted.

00:05:11.000 When are we getting our country back?

00:05:12.000 Got to fight harder.

00:05:13.000 We've got to organize.

00:05:14.000 We have to continue to educate ourselves on where we've come from from our biblical tradition and from our history.

00:05:21.000 Understand what we're fighting.

00:05:23.000 And also understand, it's not all bad that there.

00:05:26.000 And I said this the other day, and I'm going to get in trouble for saying this, but I think it's very interesting because that's usually the best things that I say, right?

00:05:34.000 Which is, I don't think that the world's elites are, they quite understand why the American people keep fighting.

00:05:42.000 I mean, you listen to what they said at Davos, the World Economic Forum, a week and a half ago, two weeks ago.

00:05:48.000 They don't understand why you love this country so much.

00:05:51.000 They truly don't.

00:05:52.000 They thought that they could get you to a place of forced and immediate demoralization.

00:05:58.000 And yes, it's okay to be upset.

00:06:00.000 It's okay to be less than thrilled.

00:06:03.000 But what makes our country different and what has made us different is our refusal to surrender and instead say, you know what?

00:06:12.000 Maybe it's God's plan for all of us that we didn't get everything that we wanted so that we wouldn't just celebrate endlessly and instead we'd get to work in a time where we really need to pour into our nation.

00:06:27.000 Maybe that's what God is teaching us in this moment.

00:06:30.000 Because the only way the bad guys win is if we give up, period.

00:06:35.000 That's the only way that they win.

00:06:37.000 And so my challenge for you this year, we have some amazing speakers already planned for you.

00:06:43.000 Next month, we have the great Dennis Prager coming.

00:06:46.000 And so make sure you get, you bring a friend or two as we talk about his rational Bible, one of the great pieces, one of the great accomplishments of Bible commentary in the modern era.

00:06:58.000 So I encourage you to bring your friends to that.

00:07:00.000 But we want to continue to keep this growing and it's growing by every measure possible.

00:07:05.000 People come up to me all the time.

00:07:06.000 They say, Charlie, the gatherings at Freedom Night in America, thanks to Dream City Church and the leadership of the Barnett family, it really keeps me going.

00:07:14.000 It makes me want to run for school board.

00:07:15.000 It makes me want to educate my kids around these values.

00:07:19.000 It has opened up my eyes to what's really happening in the country.

00:07:22.000 And for those of you that have never been to one of these gatherings before, since we're in a new year, let me tell you kind of why we do this.

00:07:28.000 We do this for a lot of reasons, and Dream City deserves the credit for their courage and their willingness to host this.

00:07:35.000 One of the reasons we do this is the American church has been silent and cowardly for far too long.

00:07:46.000 And it was very funny.

00:07:48.000 I had a pastor, and I struggle with patience.

00:07:51.000 It's not a fruit of the Spirit that comes easy to me, especially on this topic.

00:07:55.000 I had a pastor that emailed me and he said, and he was sweet about it, and I took an hour to respond.

00:08:02.000 Really, that was smart.

00:08:03.000 Should have taken two hours.

00:08:04.000 But he said, Charlie, I'm really undecided after the last couple years of whether or not I should speak out on current events.

00:08:13.000 I said, okay, let me get this straight.

00:08:15.000 So after the last year of the lockdowns of churches, strip clubs and marijuana dispensaries and liquor stores remain open.

00:08:24.000 The forced vaccinations, the masks on our kids, the most suicidal generation and alcohol-addicted and drug-addicted generation in history, our border remains completely and totally wide open.

00:08:34.000 They're raiding the homes of pro-life leaders.

00:08:36.000 You're still undecided after that, after a couple years?

00:08:39.000 What more information do you need exactly to want to speak out?

00:08:43.000 And so I worded it a little bit nicer than that.

00:08:46.000 But see, that's your word, nice, Jeff.

00:08:48.000 There you go.

00:08:49.000 And basically he said, and he said, I'm undecided of whether or not it's worth doing it.

00:08:54.000 That's what he was undecided about.

00:08:56.000 And that even made me more anger.

00:08:57.000 I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:08:59.000 You're undecided about whether it's the right time to do the right thing.

00:09:02.000 This is a pastor of a pretty major church.

00:09:05.000 And I called him and we talked, and I don't know how persuasive I was.

00:09:10.000 But that shouldn't even be a question if you're a pastor in America.

00:09:13.000 If you're still undecided at this point, and that really goes and it distills down.

00:09:19.000 We have a really fun announcement.

00:09:21.000 I don't know if you've read Eric Metaxis' new book, Letter to the American Church.

00:09:25.000 It's fabulous.

00:09:26.000 He was with us, I think, a year and a half ago.

00:09:28.000 We are actually going to help produce the film version of Letter to the American Church.

00:09:32.000 It's hopefully be screened at churches all across the country.

00:09:36.000 Because look, the church is the backbone of all of this.

00:09:40.000 And I get, I first want to just encourage the people that are watching that are not part of the church world that are fighting for liberty, because generally, there are more secular people than Christians fighting for liberty and freedom in the political sphere right now.

00:10:00.000 So that's simultaneously something that deserves their encouragement.

00:10:04.000 But boy, the American church needs to look inwardly.

00:10:07.000 And how many times have you heard they're like, well, you know, we don't do the political thing around here?

00:10:11.000 And I always, and we're going to talk about that with Jeff.

00:10:14.000 That means you don't do the right or wrong thing around here.

00:10:17.000 You don't do the moral thing around here.

00:10:19.000 Again, we're not asking you to be political.

00:10:20.000 We're asking you to be biblical.

00:10:22.000 We're asking you to be focused on truth with courage.

00:10:26.000 And the enemy would love nothing more for the American church to remain silent and complicit and to be kind of in a position of constantly saying, we don't do that around here.

00:10:37.000 Tyranny and totalitarianism will continue to grow if the American church does not stand.

00:10:42.000 But honestly, part of why we're doing this is not just to talk the game, but also to show that the church can host conversations like this, that pastors can be empowered, that you can have an open question and answer about this.

00:10:54.000 How many different ministries do most churches have?

00:10:57.000 You've got a men's ministry, you got a women's ministry, financial counseling ministry, prison ministry, parking cars ministry.

00:11:02.000 You've got every type of ministry imaginable, right?

00:11:05.000 And yet you don't have a ministry that says, you know what, we're going to talk about what's happening in the news cycle and what the Word of God has to say about that.

00:11:13.000 And here, for any pastor that's watching that's not convinced, if you are not offering biblical clarity to your congregation about how to think about the news of today, they'll find it from a secular source.

00:11:28.000 We don't do that around here.

00:11:30.000 Okay, then they're going to go to some secular, non-biblical source to go look at what's happening in the news.

00:11:35.000 It's one of the reasons why I love Jack Hibbs.

00:11:37.000 I know you guys love Jack Hibbs too, and he was here last year.

00:11:40.000 It's why I love Steve Smotherman, who I think is going to be at the upcoming conference, right?

00:11:45.000 It's what's happening in the news, what does the Bible have to say about it?

00:11:48.000 In fact, the Bible is ahead of the news if you really read the Bible.

00:11:53.000 Seems to be actually knows what's going to happen next.

00:11:56.000 And so we're in, I know, a very perilous time, but let me tell you this, and this is the attitude I want all of you to have.

00:12:04.000 Because I had somebody the other day stop me and goes to this, and I'm not going to say who it is.

00:12:08.000 They say, I go to Freedom Night and I'm really demoralized and depressed.

00:12:11.000 I said, that was okay for maybe a week.

00:12:13.000 I was there with you.

00:12:14.000 But we as Christians are not allowed to be in a permanent state of despair, period.

00:12:19.000 In fact, we should be the opposite.

00:12:21.000 We should be hopeful.

00:12:22.000 We should be joyful.

00:12:23.000 We should be solution-oriented.

00:12:25.000 We should be talking about how things can be better and get better.

00:12:30.000 I do not believe that America will benefit from angry Christians or from demoralized Christians.

00:12:41.000 Now, trust me, I'm angry a lot.

00:12:42.000 That's hopefully little moments of time.

00:12:46.000 The point is: is your attitude joyful?

00:12:49.000 Is your attitude hopeful?

00:12:52.000 And that's what we need to really make an intentional effort to do in 2023.

00:12:57.000 We need to ask ourselves questions every time we gather.

00:13:00.000 Are we increasing our ranks?

00:13:01.000 Are we picking the necessary fights?

00:13:03.000 Are we standing with courage?

00:13:04.000 Are we learning something new every single day about the Bible, about the Word of God?

00:13:09.000 Are we helping people that need help by speaking the truth to them?

00:13:12.000 Are we educating a person that might not yet see what's really happening around them?

00:13:18.000 If we do that, then we're going to see that fruit not just in 2024, but in 25, 26, and 27, 28, and 29.

00:13:24.000 That fruit will continue to happen.

00:13:26.000 And remember, for those of you that might have been so demoralized, and I'm right there with you, sometimes those disappointing results can be lagging indicators of fights we did not have five or six or eight or ten years ago.

00:13:38.000 In some ways, you're sowing the future of the fruit that you want to see.

00:13:43.000 And regardless of all of that, the outcome should not determine your effort.

00:13:50.000 Let me say that again.

00:13:51.000 The outcome should not determine your effort.

00:13:53.000 Instead, you should be obedient to the truth, obedient to God, regardless of whether or not you get the outcome that you desire.

00:14:02.000 Obedience is more important because we are not here playing the gambling odds at Las Vegas.

00:14:09.000 That's not, because I get these emails, Charlie, I'm done.

00:14:11.000 I'm never getting involved.

00:14:12.000 I just, everything's falling apart.

00:14:14.000 And by the way, God bless you.

00:14:16.000 That's just so strange.

00:14:17.000 It's like, you obviously believe in a God who loves you.

00:14:20.000 Your obedience to a God that loves you should continue regardless of whether or not things do not go the way you want them to go.

00:14:28.000 And I can't think of a better guest to kick us off than the person we have tonight.

00:14:33.000 Dr. Jeff Myers is the author of a fabulous book.

00:14:36.000 It's The Truth Changes Everything, or Truth Changes Everything.

00:14:40.000 He's going to do a book signing afterwards in the lobby.

00:14:42.000 I had him on my show for a full hour today.

00:14:44.000 He is incredibly learned, brilliant, and bright, understands the complexity of this, but we're really going to explore one topic of the book that I think is really important, which is what happens to a society, a civilization, a generation, a people, a church, a community, a corporation, a company, if truth is not the ultimate value.

00:15:06.000 This is more than an intellectual exercise.

00:15:09.000 This is good versus evil, and we're going to explore that tonight.

00:15:13.000 Join me in welcoming the first guest of 2023, Dr. Jeff Myers.

00:15:31.000 Thank you so much.

00:15:32.000 Thank you.

00:15:34.000 Hey, Charlie.

00:15:34.000 Hey, everybody.

00:15:36.000 Happy New Year.

00:15:38.000 You know, there's a great Seinfeld episode about that.

00:15:40.000 Still getting Happy New Year in February.

00:15:42.000 That's something.

00:15:44.000 It's February, isn't it?

00:15:45.000 It is February.

00:15:46.000 I guess so.

00:15:46.000 Yeah, it is.

00:15:47.000 It's February 1st.

00:15:48.000 So, Dr. Myers, welcome.

00:15:50.000 Thank you.

00:15:51.000 And I love this church.

00:15:53.000 They're so close to me and close to Turning Point USA.

00:15:56.000 They are a rarity.

00:15:57.000 Do you have any initial comments on how churches need to stand right now before we get into your book?

00:16:04.000 Only about 20% of the people who even go to church have a biblical worldview.

00:16:09.000 It's hard to imagine.

00:16:10.000 But if you see in any given church a row of 10 people, two of them are there to figure out what God has to say and apply it to their life.

00:16:19.000 The other eight are asking, well, does the pastor's story inspire me?

00:16:24.000 Does his truth somehow match up with my truth?

00:16:28.000 And as long as people who ought to know better are not seeking the truth, I can see why it's very discouraging for a lot of pastors.

00:16:38.000 Two-thirds of people who go to church, by the way, said they want their pastor to talk on current issues.

00:16:44.000 Now, when pastors were asked, do you address current issues from the pulpit?

00:16:49.000 They asked the question very cleverly.

00:16:51.000 They said, Do you think the Bible speaks to current issues?

00:16:54.000 Yes.

00:16:54.000 90% of them said yes.

00:16:56.000 Then they asked, one by one, which of these have you addressed from the pulpit?

00:17:03.000 Only 10% of them had ever addressed any of the issues.

00:17:08.000 So there's this big gap right now, and part of the gap is the meanness factor.

00:17:14.000 Basically, now, some of the ministries is not a polling company.

00:17:17.000 I'll tell a little bit about what we do, but we poll in the United States of America every month because we want to keep our finger on the pulse of where people are.

00:17:25.000 Five to eight percent of the people in this country are jerks.

00:17:33.000 They're jerks.

00:17:36.000 They hate you.

00:17:37.000 They hate everything you stand for.

00:17:38.000 They think that as a Christian, you should not have the right to speak out.

00:17:42.000 They say, How do you solve conflicts with people?

00:17:45.000 And their answer is, I cut them out of my life.

00:17:48.000 I mean, it's that kind of a thing.

00:17:51.000 Five to eight percent of the people.

00:17:53.000 The rest of the people are so afraid of those that they stay quiet.

00:18:00.000 It's one of the rare situations I've seen in my lifetime where a tiny, tiny little tail can wag the whole dog because we're so afraid of offending.

00:18:12.000 And so that segues to your book, Truth Changes Everything.

00:18:17.000 If you have the truth and you don't speak the truth, then what good is actually having the truth?

00:18:22.000 Yeah, you can't, well, part of the problem is you can't really say that you have the truth if it's not a truth that you're willing to speak.

00:18:30.000 You know, I was recently reading a book by a very famous political person from another country, and in the book, he talked about the ark of history.

00:18:38.000 You know, Martin Luther King said, the ark of history is long, but it bends toward justice.

00:18:41.000 And his point was, it does not automatically bend toward justice.

00:18:45.000 People have to stand for justice.

00:18:47.000 They have to know what justice is, and they have to actually say so, which means that you court opposition.

00:18:54.000 There are people who don't like you.

00:18:57.000 Charlie, you've got to be the king of nasty, getting nasty grams in the email, right?

00:19:02.000 I mean, I don't know anybody else who gets as many.

00:19:04.000 I get them from my fans.

00:19:09.000 You have a rough crowd.

00:19:10.000 They're really intense, I got to tell you.

00:19:13.000 I love you.

00:19:14.000 All of you.

00:19:15.000 I spoke at one of the events, and it was hysterical because it was awesome.

00:19:20.000 There were thousands of them there.

00:19:22.000 And then I said, I'm offering some breakout sessions, some workshops.

00:19:25.000 They packed out the breakout sessions.

00:19:27.000 They just wanted to learn so much.

00:19:29.000 But it was hours and hours and hours of conversation.

00:19:32.000 You know what having curious people, even if you don't agree, isn't that a better world?

00:19:38.000 Of course.

00:19:39.000 And that actually ties into one of the themes I want to address about your book, which is one of the reasons why curiosity is dying, or at least entertaining other opinions is dying, is that the very same people who say that there is no absolute truth, in reality are willing to use a lot of power to shut you up from saying the truth, is that it's inherently tyrannical, this idea that there is no truth.

00:20:09.000 In fact, all they believe is in power dynamics at its core.

00:20:13.000 I think you're right.

00:20:14.000 And my opinion on that doesn't really matter.

00:20:16.000 Peter M. Sorokin, who was the greatest sociologist, I think, in the history of America, the founder, I believe, of the sociology department, both the University of Minnesota and at Harvard University.

00:20:26.000 He did a study of the sociology of all civilizations.

00:20:29.000 And that was one of his dominant conclusions.

00:20:32.000 In the absence of a belief in God, in the absence of moral absolutes, in the absence of those convictions, the only binding imperative left is power and physical force.

00:20:45.000 So if you give up the idea of truth, then what you're left with, as you mentioned before, is the Soviet Union.

00:20:54.000 Yeah, so but let's play devil's advocate.

00:20:57.000 Some people in the audience, I'm sure, hear this all the time from a young 19-year-old that believes they know everything.

00:21:03.000 They say, but you're so judgy.

00:21:06.000 And that's the scientific term, by the way, judgy.

00:21:11.000 It's a clinical term, judgy.

00:21:14.000 And I have my truth, and you might have your truth, and we all have our own truth.

00:21:23.000 So leave me alone.

00:21:25.000 Obviously, unless you misgender somebody, then I'll put you in prison.

00:21:28.000 But we should all leave each other.

00:21:30.000 We'll get to that later.

00:21:31.000 But who are you to say that your truth is greater than my truth?

00:21:35.000 This person might say that I have won the oppression Olympics because I'm a lesbian in a wheelchair or whatever wins the points that way.

00:21:44.000 Therefore, I have my own truth.

00:21:47.000 You think I'm kidding, but this is actually one of the arguments that is dominating our society that if you're in an oppressed group, you somehow have access to a truth claim that white cisgendered males do not.

00:22:03.000 Oh, there was a lot there.

00:22:06.000 How about this?

00:22:07.000 What is your opinion on judging?

00:22:12.000 You know, the funny thing, this is, to me, it's funny because as a philosopher, weird things are funny.

00:22:18.000 We're really nerdy about that.

00:22:19.000 But when someone says there is no truth, they've just proclaimed the existence of a truth.

00:22:27.000 That there is no truth.

00:22:33.000 I had this debate with a professor when I was in college.

00:22:36.000 He said, there are no absolute truths.

00:22:38.000 And I asked him, are you sure?

00:22:39.000 And he said, yes.

00:22:44.000 So I leaned in.

00:22:45.000 I said, are you absolutely sure?

00:22:48.000 And he said, oh, you're a very clever young man.

00:22:52.000 If I say there are no absolutes, that's an absolute statement.

00:22:55.000 He said, all right, I'll revise my remarks.

00:22:56.000 There is one absolute, which is this.

00:22:59.000 There are no absolutes.

00:23:01.000 And I just said, well, okay, let's say that there's one absolute.

00:23:05.000 Is it possible that there are two?

00:23:07.000 And he said, no.

00:23:09.000 And I just raised my hand.

00:23:10.000 Are you sure?

00:23:14.000 There's no philosophical basis.

00:23:16.000 Somebody says you're judgmental, then the response to them, because if there's no truth, if we each have our own truth, then words don't have any meaning, right?

00:23:26.000 So if somebody says, well, you're being judgmental, just say to them, what I hear you saying is that you are being judgmental.

00:23:40.000 Because if there's no such thing as judgment, you wouldn't even point it out.

00:23:44.000 In fact, you wouldn't.

00:23:46.000 You wouldn't have any kind of a conversation at all because it'd be like two people speaking two different languages.

00:23:52.000 They cannot communicate with one another.

00:23:54.000 And the societal breakdown happens on three levels.

00:23:57.000 It happens on a personal level, or maybe we call it intra-personal level.

00:24:02.000 You know, M. Scott Peck in the 1970s agreed with a lot of what the guy said, disagreed with a lot.

00:24:07.000 But he was very observant.

00:24:08.000 He said, you cannot overcome mental illness unless you grapple with reality as it actually is.

00:24:15.000 So we have these mental health crises.

00:24:17.000 You mentioned this.

00:24:18.000 75% of young adults say they do not have a sense of purpose in life.

00:24:21.000 53% say they regularly struggle with anxiety and depression.

00:24:25.000 We have the highest level of young adults today who don't even know what gender they are.

00:24:30.000 And all of these things show us that you've got a generation that is failing to grapple with the reality as it actually exists.

00:24:40.000 The second part is, yeah, the second part is even harder.

00:24:45.000 How does somebody who can't grapple with reality relate to somebody else who can't grapple with reality?

00:24:51.000 So what psychologists call attunement, our ability to just relate to one another, you cannot have that unless you have a shared understanding of reality.

00:25:01.000 Then people who cannot relate to one another in interpersonal situations can't form a good society.

00:25:06.000 The biggest issues with the Soviet Union were not the fact that they drove tanks through the streets and shot people, it's that people turned in their neighbors.

00:25:14.000 Kulaks.

00:25:15.000 They actually ended up turning, the government put such pressure on them that they turned on one another and they ruined their own country.

00:25:24.000 It wasn't just the bullets.

00:25:27.000 And in some ways, we're actually living through the experiment of what happens.

00:25:33.000 And it's going to be a very brutal experiment.

00:25:35.000 And this is where I'm trying to tell parents, especially that have teenagers, you've got to be really careful about the types of ideas and language you allow in those formative years, because most parents have no idea the philosophical differences that kids are basically lacing their language with.

00:25:53.000 Sometimes I don't even know because they're on social media so much, which is if a 12 or 13 year old is protesting that, well, just live and let live and you could kind of determine your own life, that is a recipe for misery.

00:26:05.000 It is.

00:26:06.000 You have the, again, I will repeat it.

00:26:08.000 We are seeing the number.

00:26:09.000 There's a lot of statistics you can make up.

00:26:12.000 Tragically, you can't really make up suicide numbers.

00:26:14.000 You just can't, okay?

00:26:16.000 And so that number is the highest it's ever been in recorded history.

00:26:19.000 We are the wealthiest country.

00:26:21.000 We are the strongest country.

00:26:22.000 And we have the most per capita people ever that want to kill themselves under the age of 25.

00:26:27.000 It's a leading cause of death, right?

00:26:30.000 I know three people that tragically killed themselves since Christmas.

00:26:32.000 I'm sure you guys know several.

00:26:34.000 This should be, we should be having massive committee hearings on this in Congress.

00:26:38.000 We should be having, you know, this should be the number one focus of why is it a country that has more of everything, has the most of your ambitious and kids that want to flourish that don't want to be here anymore.

00:26:51.000 And there's answers.

00:26:53.000 I think there's biochemical answers to this.

00:26:55.000 I think the food doesn't help.

00:26:56.000 I think there's all sorts of things.

00:26:57.000 But the underlying of all of it is if you're 17 years old and you've been told that you have to come up with your own truth and that you're the most important person in the world and everything around you is racist and bigoted and misogynistic and awful and evil, then it does eventually lead to the question of, well, then why even exist?

00:27:19.000 At Summit Ministries, our main focus is equipping and supporting the rising generation to embrace God's truth and champion a biblical worldview.

00:27:28.000 The core truth that has been lost and needs to be recovered in our time is that every human being has value because they bear the image of God, no matter their size, no matter their level of development.

00:27:43.000 Young adults who've never been able to grasp that or internalize it, or they see it as just, oh, well, that's, you know, that's speaking of the group, don't really see that.

00:27:53.000 When students come to Summit Ministries, I have a whole, I've spent two hours with them on what a Christian worldview is.

00:27:59.000 Not just what the Bible says, but how the Bible applies to everything else.

00:28:03.000 It's like C.S. Lewis said, I believe that the sun has risen not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.

00:28:10.000 So I spend two hours with them, and we would get to the place in Genesis chapter one, you only have to read, you only have to open the Bible to the first book.

00:28:19.000 And if you only ever read one thing and you read the first chapter, you will realize that every human being was made in 127 image.

00:28:27.000 And so I just, I have them stop, and I just say, I want you to hear what I'm saying right now.

00:28:33.000 I'm not saying y'all are made in God's image.

00:28:37.000 I'm not saying, because I spent my career in Tennessee, so I can say this.

00:28:42.000 I'm not saying that all y'all bear God's image.

00:28:47.000 I'm saying that you personally bear God's image.

00:28:52.000 And I want you to get that into your heart.

00:28:55.000 I've seen so many young adults come back from the brink when they get in their heart that God made them that way on purpose.

00:29:05.000 They're not in the wrong body.

00:29:06.000 They're not in the wrong family.

00:29:08.000 They're not even in the wrong country.

00:29:10.000 They're where God has designed them to be.

00:29:13.000 And that right there is the most profound truth claim that the entire civilization is on.

00:29:22.000 So when a pastor says to me, well, I don't want to be political, I say, well, then you don't believe Genesis 1, 26, and 127.

00:29:29.000 And they say, what do you mean?

00:29:30.000 I say, either you believe that human beings are image-bearers or you don't.

00:29:34.000 And they say, well, of course I believe it.

00:29:36.000 I say, okay, then you do believe that then the political environment should respect that and human life matters and a million abortions a year is evil and cruel and wrong.

00:29:45.000 And you do believe that a government should then recognize that every single person has a soul and they're not just a random accident of millions of years of Darwinian evolution.

00:29:55.000 That's a political claim.

00:29:56.000 And the church, what they end up, what these pastors end up clumsily saying is they say, well, I can't really see one party better than the other.

00:30:04.000 At this point, they're so morally lost.

00:30:06.000 I don't believe the church has really thought deeply about Genesis 1-1 in the beginning, God created the heavens of the earth.

00:30:11.000 Immediately, your existence has purpose.

00:30:14.000 If Genesis 1-1 is true, every other miracle in the rest of the Bible can happen.

00:30:18.000 You know, people say, oh, you really believe all these other miracles?

00:30:21.000 I say, the greatest miracle, even more than the resurrection, is Genesis 1-1.

00:30:24.000 It's existence.

00:30:25.000 The fact that God can just speak the world into existence.

00:30:30.000 It starts with the great miracle.

00:30:32.000 I mean, Jonah and the whale pales in comparison to designing DNA.

00:30:37.000 I mean, it's like small stuff.

00:30:40.000 And so what I'm getting at, though, is that the idea that Genesis 1, 26, and 127, the Soviet Union did not believe that.

00:30:48.000 Mao's China did not believe that.

00:30:50.000 Hitler certainly did not believe that.

00:30:52.000 The American left does not believe that.

00:30:54.000 That alone, if we isolate Genesis 1, 26, and 127, which answers the question, what is a human being?

00:30:59.000 Why are you here?

00:31:00.000 And is there anything special about you?

00:31:02.000 All of a sudden, that is incredibly instructive to how we govern ourselves.

00:31:06.000 Yeah, I think you're right.

00:31:07.000 The destruction, the level of destruction, is so unreal that we have a hard time even calculating it.

00:31:14.000 If you look back at the 20th century, R.J. Rummel was a professor who had the grim task of trying to calculate how many people were killed under communism.

00:31:23.000 And he finally concluded, it's somewhere between 150 and 360 million people who died at the hands of their own governments in the 20th century alone.

00:31:33.000 To put that in perspective, he said that's more than all other centuries of human existence put together.

00:31:38.000 What was the common thread of those societies?

00:31:41.000 There is no God, therefore no human being has inherent value.

00:31:45.000 It's all about the state.

00:31:48.000 Can I tell you, I want to tell a story before we kind of wrap up that part of the discussion because in the book, I have a chapter on, so it's how Jesus' followers changed everything.

00:31:57.000 They changed everything in science and art.

00:32:00.000 And one of the chapters is politics.

00:32:01.000 The other day, I was speaking to a group of teachers and I said, okay, next we're going to talk about politics.

00:32:05.000 They all groaned.

00:32:07.000 They're like, oh, we're so tired of talking about politics.

00:32:10.000 And I said, do you realize the fact that we can have this discussion is the legacy of Jesus' followers?

00:32:16.000 So I took him back and I told the story of Samuel Rutherford.

00:32:19.000 He was a Scottish pastor.

00:32:21.000 He lived during the time of Charles II.

00:32:23.000 So 30 seconds on British history.

00:32:26.000 Charles I got his head cut off.

00:32:29.000 There was this revolution.

00:32:31.000 Then Charles II came back.

00:32:33.000 So he's very jealous of his power, really wary that someone might, you know, might rebel.

00:32:39.000 And this little pastor in Scotland wrote a book, two words, the title is two words, and it's only six letters.

00:32:47.000 Lex Rex.

00:32:50.000 Lex Rex, which is Latin for law is king.

00:32:55.000 The king is not the law.

00:32:57.000 The law is the king.

00:33:00.000 Now, the subtitle is 136 words, so I won't give that to you.

00:33:03.000 But in the book, he says, if you go back to the book of Genesis, you realize the king is indeed, as he claims, the heir of Adam.

00:33:15.000 And so are all the rest of us.

00:33:19.000 So King Charles, he was mad.

00:33:22.000 I mean, he sent troops.

00:33:24.000 Go up there, get Samuel Rutherford, bring him back to Parliament.

00:33:26.000 We're going to give him a fair trial and then hang him.

00:33:30.000 That was his plan.

00:33:31.000 Samuel Rutherford, rather rudely, died before the soldiers arrived.

00:33:37.000 His final words were, I have been summoned by a higher authority.

00:33:46.000 Which is a very Scottish way of saying you know where you can put it.

00:33:50.000 And it was, but the horse was out of the barn.

00:33:54.000 No longer could the king say he has this divine right.

00:33:59.000 The people have it.

00:34:00.000 And what did the founders of the United States do?

00:34:02.000 They took Rutherford, they took John Locke, they took a handful of others, Hugo Grotius, some others, and they said, the government does not give you your rights.

00:34:11.000 At best, the government secures the rights that are given to you by God.

00:34:21.000 Genesis 1-1, we are all why we are here.

00:34:24.000 Genesis 1-26, 127.

00:34:26.000 What are you as a human being?

00:34:27.000 Genesis 5, human equality.

00:34:30.000 And here are the sons of Noah.

00:34:33.000 We are all from the same lineage.

00:34:34.000 Therefore, there is no hierarchical.

00:34:37.000 There is no claim to a throne over others.

00:34:39.000 The founders went specifically to Genesis 5, and they said, wait a second, this is the best argument for human equality we could ever have.

00:34:45.000 Genesis 11, how to deal with power.

00:34:47.000 God will not honor those that try to do big, majestic, and temporal things, not in his name.

00:34:53.000 Let me ask a question.

00:34:54.000 I'm sure all of you have heard before.

00:34:55.000 Religion has killed so many people and all of this.

00:34:57.000 Raise your hand if you've heard this.

00:34:58.000 They teach it in our schools.

00:35:00.000 What you just said is 160 to 300 million people more than the entire population before the 1900s.

00:35:06.000 None of that was quote-unquote done in the name of God.

00:35:08.000 Secular atheism has killed more people than any other ism in the history of humanity, period.

00:35:15.000 It's not even close.

00:35:17.000 And yet, if you send your kid to a government school, they'll say it's Christianity and the Crusades and the Inquisition.

00:35:22.000 By the way, completely mistaught and misunderstood and misrepresented.

00:35:26.000 But there is definitely a propaganda campaign there.

00:35:28.000 So let's talk about this and we'll do some questions.

00:35:30.000 Do you have a thought on that?

00:35:31.000 No, I completely agree.

00:35:33.000 In fact, the evidence of it is so overwhelming that there's no longer any question about this.

00:35:40.000 I did write about this in a book called Understanding the Faith, where I talked about some of the claims, because I had questions.

00:35:47.000 Well, what about this?

00:35:47.000 What about that?

00:35:48.000 Isn't the God of the Old Testament, you know, pro-slavery, anti-woman, and anti-gay?

00:35:52.000 You know, all of these kinds of questions.

00:35:54.000 So I wrote about this and was kind of like a seminary education to write through it.

00:35:58.000 But the claims against Christians have always been exaggerated.

00:36:01.000 And what's even more important to me is that Jesus, not everybody who claims the name of Jesus actually does the right thing.

00:36:08.000 Have you noticed this?

00:36:11.000 But there are people who believed not only that Jesus is the Savior, but that Jesus is the truth.

00:36:19.000 They brought those claims together.

00:36:21.000 And those were the ones who changed everything in the course of history.

00:36:25.000 I mean, Rodney Stark, that story, he was asked, well, you know, science came out through the Enlightenment, right?

00:36:31.000 When people rejected God, science grew.

00:36:33.000 So he just went back and looked at the founders of modern science.

00:36:36.000 He said there are 52 individuals whose discoveries and inventions constitute the foundation of modern science.

00:36:42.000 How many of them were atheists?

00:36:44.000 One.

00:36:46.000 One.

00:36:46.000 Did you know that?

00:36:48.000 Have you ever heard that before?

00:36:49.000 Because I certainly hadn't.

00:36:51.000 I went from a bachelor's degree to a master's degree to a doctoral degree.

00:36:55.000 No one ever told me that.

00:36:56.000 So you have to find good sources to be able to dig into this.

00:37:02.000 And that's one of the things we're trying to do at Summit Ministries.

00:37:05.000 So let's close with this, then we'll do some questions.

00:37:07.000 I think this is really applicable to some of the younger attendees and younger audience.

00:37:12.000 What is the truth then?

00:37:13.000 You say that truth changes everything.

00:37:16.000 What is it?

00:37:18.000 Truth is what really is.

00:37:22.000 That there is a reality.

00:37:25.000 This is how Jesus phrased it in John 8, 32.

00:37:28.000 If you follow my teachings, you will know the truth.

00:37:32.000 And the truth will set you, what?

00:37:35.000 Free.

00:37:36.000 The truth sets you free.

00:37:39.000 Think of all the things we need to be set free from in our time.

00:37:43.000 People need to be set free from addiction.

00:37:46.000 People need to be set free from feeling that their lives don't matter.

00:37:52.000 People need to be set free from the idea that I just sit back and the government's going to do all the work.

00:37:57.000 They will take care of me.

00:37:59.000 There are a lot of things that we need to be set free from.

00:38:02.000 But that word for truth is a Greek word, aletheia.

00:38:04.000 It means reality.

00:38:06.000 Jesus wasn't saying, if you follow my teachings, then you will know your truth.

00:38:12.000 He wasn't saying, if you follow my teachings, then you'll feel better about yourself.

00:38:17.000 I'm saying you'll know reality.

00:38:21.000 And some of you, I can see there are a lot of people in the audience who are about my age.

00:38:25.000 You learn a lot about reality that's not very pretty as you go through your life.

00:38:31.000 And you realize, man, there's a lot of hard stuff about reality.

00:38:36.000 But the truth is you would rather know that it's hard and know that you have a Savior who is a rescuer than to be disillusioned about what it actually is.

00:38:51.000 And for people that say, I don't know where to find the truth, your approach at Summit is Don't be close-minded to the belief that you know it, but be curious to try and find it.

00:39:10.000 Seek, and you will find.

00:39:12.000 Yeah, yeah, that's it.

00:39:13.000 So, the knock and it will be what you're talking about.

00:39:16.000 Charlie came and spoke to our summit ministry.

00:39:18.000 Very impressive, young people.

00:39:19.000 Two weeks.

00:39:21.000 You just take two weeks, and during the summertime, come together in Colorado or in Manitou Springs, Colorado, this little hippie town right at the foot of Pikes Peak, or in Lookout Mountain, Georgia, in those two locations, for two weeks where you bring all of your questions with you.

00:39:38.000 You meet with top Christian thought leaders.

00:39:40.000 We bring in professors who love Jesus, who are smarter than the students' college professors.

00:39:48.000 So, when the students meet their college professors and the professor is an atheist, they're like, Well, I just studied this summer with one of the top 10 philosophers in the world, and he totally disagrees with you.

00:39:57.000 I don't have to believe you.

00:40:06.000 So, when the students come into that program, I focus, I just do four things: A, B, C, D, it's easier for me to remember.

00:40:12.000 Answers.

00:40:13.000 Bring your list of questions will help you find answers.

00:40:16.000 It's okay to ask questions.

00:40:17.000 Second B is biblical worldview.

00:40:20.000 It's not just that we read the Bible for our own personal nourishment, it's that the Bible speaks to everything.

00:40:26.000 C is the counterfeits.

00:40:28.000 I was in a foreign country, and a guy walked up to me and said, Hey, man, do you want to buy a real fake Rolex?

00:40:35.000 It's like, is it real or is it fake?

00:40:40.000 You know, and I was all jet-lagged.

00:40:42.000 I just thought it was so funny.

00:40:43.000 He didn't think it was funny at all.

00:40:47.000 What he wanted to do was sell me a watch that looked like a $20,000 watch that was a $100 watch.

00:40:53.000 It still told time, but it was a fake.

00:40:56.000 It diminished the value of watch-ness, if that's even a thing.

00:41:02.000 Very risky.

00:41:03.000 If judgy is a thing, watchness is a thing.

00:41:08.000 But if you look at the counterfeits, then all of a sudden your experience at camp changes.

00:41:15.000 Everybody's been to camp.

00:41:16.000 You feel close to God.

00:41:18.000 You think, how did I ever get away from him?

00:41:20.000 And you resolve that you'll live differently.

00:41:22.000 And then you go home and the feelings fade because feelings go up and down.

00:41:25.000 That's the way feelings are.

00:41:27.000 But if you learn to see the world differently, then everything that you see begins to reinforce the truth.

00:41:33.000 That's the idea of studying the counterfeits.

00:41:36.000 Okay?

00:41:37.000 And the final thing is dialogue.

00:41:39.000 You've got to learn to talk to people you don't agree with.

00:41:42.000 You just have to do it.

00:41:43.000 You have to learn to have discussions with them in a way that makes sense to them, that where the two of you are not necessarily butting heads with one another, but walking side by side toward the truth.

00:41:54.000 I'm telling you, if you have a young person, send them to Summit Ministries.

00:41:57.000 It will bless them.

00:41:58.000 And I'm a tough sell when it comes to programming for young people, as you can imagine.

00:42:03.000 Let's line up for some questions here, guys.

00:42:05.000 And please try to keep the questions somewhat topical to the topic we're talking about.

00:42:12.000 If you do get off the reservation, I will do my best to answer them, and make it a question, not a public service announcement for why you are running frog catcher or whatever.

00:42:22.000 Yes.

00:42:23.000 Which I hope you are.

00:42:26.000 If you are interested in the summit program for 16 to 22-year-old students, you can find more information at summit.org slash Charlie.

00:42:37.000 How about that?

00:42:38.000 Summit.org/slash Charlie.

00:42:40.000 I think I have a landing.

00:42:41.000 It kind of had a ring to it, so we went with it.

00:42:44.000 But if you go there, it'll also save you, I think, 100 or quite a bit of money off of the registry.

00:42:51.000 Yeah, I mean, and I get asked by parents all the time, Charlie, I want to, my kids, they're slipping, and they're this and that.

00:43:00.000 I don't know what to do.

00:43:01.000 You send them there.

00:43:01.000 It is a, I don't know if you worded it this way, but it's a boot camp for biblical values.

00:43:06.000 Is that fair to say?

00:43:07.000 I think it is.

00:43:07.000 And I think the students, when they come out, it's a force multiplier for truth because they go into the military, into science, into medicine, all these different areas.

00:43:16.000 But 4% of young adults today have a biblical worldview.

00:43:19.000 By the time they leave summit, 85% have a biblical worldview.

00:43:23.000 So it's fun to watch.

00:43:26.000 Dr. Myers, Charlie, thank you very much for doing what you do.

00:43:29.000 We all appreciate it very, very much.

00:43:31.000 My name is Kevin.

00:43:31.000 I'm from Cave Creek, and I have this question.

00:43:34.000 When approached by a person who says, well, that may be your truth, it's not my truth.

00:43:39.000 What would be your comeback to that statement?

00:43:41.000 Okay, and tell me your name again.

00:43:43.000 My name is Kevin.

00:43:44.000 Kevin.

00:43:45.000 The first thing to do in that situation is to ask for a definition of the terms.

00:43:52.000 When you use that word truth, I don't think it means what you think it means.

00:43:58.000 That's sort of what it's, but it's just like that.

00:44:01.000 When you use the word truth, what do you mean?

00:44:03.000 Do you mean your perspective?

00:44:06.000 Do you mean what actually exists?

00:44:09.000 So you've got to understand what they mean when they use the term truth.

00:44:13.000 I was on a very progressive podcast the other day, and I knew their audience.

00:44:21.000 I knew all of that, and it's fine.

00:44:24.000 But he said, well, you know, we all have our own truth.

00:44:26.000 And I said, maybe you could word it this way.

00:44:29.000 We all have a perspective based on our life experiences about how we see truth.

00:44:35.000 The truth itself doesn't change, but we can see it differently based on our life experiences, or we can be deceiving ourselves from seeing the truth.

00:44:46.000 The first thing you have to do is get a definition of the terms.

00:44:49.000 And second thing is, so I always have these steps in my mind.

00:44:53.000 You identify the truth, you identify the lies, you refute the lies, and then you help the other person learn to talk about and relate to and move closer to the truth.

00:45:06.000 So you're always thinking of those things.

00:45:08.000 Say, and then I would just start using examples.

00:45:12.000 How far do you want to go with this?

00:45:14.000 I mean, if I say that water boils at 212 degrees Fahrenheit at sea level, are you going to say to me, well, that's your opinion?

00:45:22.000 How far are you going to go with it?

00:45:24.000 Oh, no, I wouldn't say that, but you know, maybe moral facts.

00:45:27.000 Okay, fine.

00:45:28.000 I used the example on the show today.

00:45:31.000 I'm going to make two statements.

00:45:32.000 Statement A, it is good to care for abandoned puppies.

00:45:37.000 Statement B, it is good to torture abandoned puppies.

00:45:44.000 Is there a difference between those two statements?

00:45:47.000 100% of the time, people have said, yes.

00:45:50.000 Well, how do you know there's a difference?

00:45:52.000 If we each have our own truth and we define words for ourselves, how do you know there is even a difference between those two things?

00:46:00.000 And that's what Charlie was saying earlier.

00:46:03.000 What's the spiral into totalitarianism?

00:46:06.000 You forget the idea that human beings are made in the image of God, then you lose the ability to understand words.

00:46:12.000 And those two things always fit together.

00:46:14.000 Like in Rwanda, the Hutu attacked the Tutsis.

00:46:18.000 They started by calling them cockroaches.

00:46:22.000 Hitler taught his people to call the Jews vermin, right?

00:46:27.000 We teach people, I mean, might as well be blunt about it.

00:46:31.000 People are taught to refer to an unborn child as a product of conception or fetal tissue.

00:46:39.000 What you want to destroy, you first of all dehumanize.

00:46:42.000 That's what ends up happening.

00:46:45.000 As Michael Bauman, who was one of our summit professors, passed away a couple of years ago, he would always say this.

00:46:50.000 When words lose their meaning, people lose their lives.

00:46:55.000 The second thing I would add, which is more about making an argument for the necessity for truth, which is less important than whether or not he believes he might have his own truth.

00:47:05.000 What Dr. Myers just went through is brilliant because people might have their own opinions and experiences, but there's only one truth.

00:47:11.000 An example I also use as a tangent is if there's a car crash, there might be five different memories.

00:47:16.000 Well, he came from this way and that way, but eventually you're going to get to the truth of what actually happened, right?

00:47:22.000 You might have a memory recollection problem.

00:47:24.000 Some might have a strong opinion that might be covering for a spouse, but eventually you're going to get the footage of what really happened.

00:47:30.000 And it doesn't matter what those five people's experiences or opinions about the matter.

00:47:34.000 They might have a little bit of a sliver of the truth, but then you get the three-definition 3D footage.

00:47:40.000 You're like, oh, I see.

00:47:41.000 You blindsided him because you were texting on your phone.

00:47:44.000 It doesn't matter what those other five people said.

00:47:46.000 So that's just an interesting way.

00:47:47.000 There's only one thing that actually happened when a car crash happened.

00:47:50.000 But then finally, the necessity.

00:47:52.000 Okay.

00:47:52.000 So back to the car crash example.

00:47:55.000 If we operated a criminal justice system based on experience, opinions, you would never be able to get to justice, which is a revered word by the American left, right?

00:48:05.000 So they always say we want justice, we want justice.

00:48:08.000 Well, if you relied solely on experience and opinion and not on truth, well, then footage of somebody murdering somebody wouldn't mean anything because it's his truth, he didn't do it.

00:48:19.000 And so if you have a society that does not have truth, then all of a sudden you can get into all sorts of different bad things.

00:48:27.000 So then convincing the person you're talking to how important it is that we all agree at least on some form of truth, I think is somewhat persuasive to certain people.

00:48:38.000 I've got to mention an example that kind of expands on this too.

00:48:41.000 You just think about the differences.

00:48:42.000 If you read Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, you'll be like, wait a second, he said that what happened with Jesus in that situation was he said it a little bit differently than this other guy.

00:48:50.000 And a lot of people have said to me, well, see, that proves that the gospels are not true.

00:48:54.000 But it's actually the opposite.

00:48:56.000 The fact that they're giving their testimony and all of it comes together to demonstrate something about who Jesus was is actually more powerful.

00:49:05.000 Jay Warner Wallace, I don't know if he's been here, man, he would make a great guest for you sometime.

00:49:09.000 He's an LA cold case detective.

00:49:12.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, he's great.

00:49:13.000 Yeah, LA cop.

00:49:14.000 And he said, if I had four witnesses to an event and they all told me the exact same story, I would know it was a setup.

00:49:24.000 Because that doesn't ever happen.

00:49:26.000 So my wife Stephanie, who was here with me tonight from Colorado.

00:49:32.000 Thank you, Stephanie, because that came out of a conversation we had just this afternoon.

00:49:37.000 Awesome.

00:49:37.000 Thank you.

00:49:38.000 Caleb, how are you?

00:49:40.000 Welcome from Minnesota.

00:49:42.000 Good to see you.

00:49:43.000 So, in relation to the truth and politics and the church, what would you say is the biblical definition of the kingdom of God?

00:49:58.000 Who are its citizens?

00:50:00.000 What is its function and purpose?

00:50:02.000 Or in other words, what biblically is the good news or the gospel of the kingdom that Jesus and John the Baptist preached?

00:50:08.000 And how does that relate to politics and really okay?

00:50:13.000 Huge question.

00:50:14.000 And I'm a professor, so I like the rabbit trails.

00:50:19.000 So if I don't get to the answer of the question, ask it again.

00:50:28.000 You really want to read, you really want to read a book by a guy named Augustine called City of God Against the Pagans.

00:50:36.000 It's not an easy book to read.

00:50:38.000 There's a lot of stuff in there that's theological, you know, angelology and different things like that, which we don't think a lot about that sort of thing.

00:50:46.000 But he understands the idea of the kingdom of God as being made up of people who have a relationship with Jesus Christ.

00:50:57.000 They have accepted, as Scripture tells us, acknowledge that Jesus is Lord.

00:51:05.000 That's salvation.

00:51:06.000 And then those people together have a higher priority.

00:51:11.000 So the way he phrased it, and this is a paraphrase of it, but those citizens of the kingdom of God will always be the best citizens in the kingdom of man because their allegiance is to something higher than man.

00:51:25.000 An uncomfortable fact for secularists is, if there's no such thing as truth, there is no way to know that what Adolf Hitler did was wrong.

00:51:37.000 Why was it wrong?

00:51:38.000 Because it was legal.

00:51:40.000 He was the law by his standard.

00:51:42.000 Everything he did by definition was legal inside the bounds of the territory that he controlled.

00:51:49.000 And this went on, even through the Nuremberg trials, American attorneys were debating back and forth.

00:51:54.000 Is there an actual truth?

00:51:55.000 And they finally concluded that, nope, there isn't really an actual truth.

00:51:59.000 There's just consensus.

00:52:01.000 That's it.

00:52:02.000 We have a consensus that this is the way we're going to see it.

00:52:06.000 So in other words, if Hitler had won, then he would have been right?

00:52:09.000 Yes.

00:52:10.000 That's the uncomfortable thing that secularism can't really deal with.

00:52:15.000 So the kingdom of God, made up of people who have a relationship with Jesus Christ, they don't worship the president.

00:52:23.000 They don't worship the king.

00:52:24.000 They don't worship any human authority.

00:52:26.000 They worship God alone.

00:52:29.000 And that's what makes them great citizens.

00:52:32.000 Thank you, man.

00:52:35.000 My name is Abigail Benwetin.

00:52:35.000 Hi there.

00:52:37.000 I'm a first year at Grand Canyon University.

00:52:39.000 And I'm going into English for secondary education.

00:52:42.000 And my question for the both of you is, as a future educator going into a field that is full of lies, especially pertaining to gender and identity, as a Christian and an educator in the instance of a child experienced gender dysphoria or something along the lines of the LGBTQ ideologies, how do I speak truth in a way that will be heard?

00:53:01.000 Thank you.

00:53:02.000 And now we begin hours two and three of our time together tonight.

00:53:08.000 Thank you so much for asking the question.

00:53:10.000 It's on all of our minds and our hearts because we know people who have all kinds of confusions in their lives.

00:53:17.000 And dysphoria is a real thing.

00:53:19.000 I mean, there are people who have all kinds of body dysphoria, people who think that they're overweight, who are actually about to die of starvation.

00:53:26.000 There are people who have huge muscles, who think their muscles are too small, and they take steroids and they're going to destroy their heart.

00:53:35.000 There are all kinds of people who have dysphoria.

00:53:38.000 And one that is in the, it's become a social media contagion is gender dysphoria.

00:53:47.000 And there's a whole lot to be said about it.

00:53:49.000 But how do you bring the truth in this situation?

00:53:52.000 There's going to always be sort of what does society need to do?

00:53:57.000 And then what do we need to do as individual persons?

00:54:01.000 I'm of the mind that we just, we start with God made them male and female.

00:54:14.000 And if you start with that realization, by the way, if you look at the Hebrew words there, it doesn't just mean male and female as in biology, although that's significant.

00:54:24.000 I don't know if you realize this, but there are 6,500 biological differences between men and women.

00:54:29.000 It's not just genitalia.

00:54:32.000 In fact, almost every single cell in your body says male or female.

00:54:38.000 And even when people talk about intersex, every single cell in their body still says male or female.

00:54:45.000 Even though there are all sorts of other medical issues that are going on there.

00:54:48.000 So we start with that.

00:54:49.000 Well, what does the Bible say about what it means to be masculine or feminine?

00:54:55.000 And what society says is there's a spectrum.

00:54:58.000 Extremely masculine over here, extremely feminine over here.

00:55:02.000 Where are you on that spectrum?

00:55:04.000 And the Bible's perspective is: no, there are two spectra.

00:55:07.000 Is it the right word?

00:55:08.000 Spectra.

00:55:10.000 I think.

00:55:12.000 Two spectra, because they're two.

00:55:15.000 Anyway, somebody will write you about this.

00:55:21.000 You have a male spectrum and a female spectrum.

00:55:24.000 So on the male spectrum, you might have people who are very artistic or interested in art or something like that.

00:55:32.000 That society might say, based on cultural stereotypes, well, then you're not really a man, you're a woman.

00:55:39.000 Because you're just born in the wrong body.

00:55:42.000 But that would only be the case if this thing exists, this one singular spectrum.

00:55:47.000 But if there's a male spectrum and a female spectrum, then you might have very masculine males.

00:55:52.000 You might have not so masculine.

00:55:54.000 Those are all stereotypes.

00:55:56.000 What bugs me so much about the transgender movement?

00:56:00.000 Well, a couple of things.

00:56:01.000 First of all, children are being targeted.

00:56:05.000 And that is evil.

00:56:15.000 But the second thing is how, in defiance of stereotypes, it actually enshrines the stereotypes.

00:56:22.000 Like you don't see drag queens who dress like women normally dress.

00:56:28.000 You know, they're always, it's always an extreme, exaggerated kind of thing, enshrining the stereotypes.

00:56:35.000 And that really demonstrates that when you lose any sense of what words mean and what reality actually is, there's no limit.

00:56:46.000 Right now, the medical societies are saying there are 68 different genders.

00:56:51.000 Why would they say 68?

00:56:52.000 Because if you take the parameters that are outlined, it's actually 3,000.

00:56:56.000 In fact, if you just want to be honest about it, gender no longer has any meaning at all.

00:57:02.000 So, but all of this comes back to the idea that gender and sex are two different things.

00:57:08.000 Nobody ever proved that.

00:57:09.000 It's a theory.

00:57:10.000 It's out there in the culture.

00:57:12.000 It's an assumption that a lot of people haven't questioned.

00:57:16.000 So you go back, you start asking the question: what do you mean by sex?

00:57:19.000 What do you mean by gender?

00:57:20.000 How do you know that is true?

00:57:23.000 If someone's experiencing the dysphoria, you can continue to walk alongside of them.

00:57:29.000 They're in many ways a victim of what's happening around them in the culture.

00:57:33.000 Now, we have power, we have the ability to make decisions, we have a will, but the culture is so overpowering right now that they may feel totally confused, and that confusion can be real and can be very painful.

00:57:46.000 You continue to walk alongside.

00:57:48.000 There are other things that government needs to do, and maybe that's a discussion for another time.

00:57:52.000 Yeah, and I would just add: I think the way we have to approach this is just reject the word gender.

00:57:57.000 It's a made-up word.

00:57:58.000 It might as well say horoscope.

00:58:00.000 Seriously.

00:58:01.000 You know, the root word of gender is actually genus.

00:58:03.000 It's the word from which we get our word genetics.

00:58:07.000 So it actually doesn't mean the social definition that it has come to mean.

00:58:12.000 The problem is nobody ever pointed this out.

00:58:15.000 When did it all start happening?

00:58:16.000 I learned it first as a PhD student in 1992.

00:58:20.000 This is not new.

00:58:21.000 This has been going on for a long time.

00:58:23.000 It was taught in the Academy of Marcuse and Kinsey, even before that.

00:58:28.000 And so, but what I would just say is: gender is a made-up word, and so we should reject it.

00:58:32.000 It's your biological sex that matters, period.

00:58:35.000 And but what they've done is they've introduced this new term gender into birth certificates where they say, well, gender is fluid and sex might be stable.

00:58:42.000 And we just kind of accepted it.

00:58:44.000 didn't think very much of it.

00:58:44.000 It's a completely irrelevant term, by the way.

00:58:47.000 And so basically, gender is how you feel, and it's a question of the will, where we should just totally say it doesn't matter what is your biological sex, period.

00:58:55.000 End of story.

00:58:57.000 And I mean, I have, let's just say, you're so sweet.

00:59:01.000 I think that this entire trans thing is one of the most evil things happening in our society.

00:59:08.000 We cannot tolerate this evil.

00:59:10.000 These people that are prescribing these chemical castration drugs should go to jail.

00:59:14.000 I think it is so wrong what we are putting these kids through.

00:59:18.000 And finally, I'll say this: if you have a mental illness, you should get treatment.

00:59:23.000 But people that are suffering from the mental illness are, again, inherently tyrannical.

00:59:27.000 It's not enough that they think that they are a zebra, a giraffe, a lion, or something that they're not.

00:59:32.000 They want you to acknowledge that they are what they say they are.

00:59:37.000 It's one thing if they were suffering in silence, and I hope that they get help with that.

00:59:41.000 No, no, no.

00:59:41.000 They want everyone else to agree in harmony on demand repetitionally when they say it every single day that their mental illness is then what everybody else thinks.

00:59:52.000 That's what dictators do.

00:59:54.000 Yeah, you've got to grapple with reality.

00:59:54.000 Yeah.

00:59:58.000 Now, I will mention this because we've got an e-book coming out on transgender, and it's going to be a mess when it comes out because we're going to reveal some things, including the fact that the medical establishment has enshrined a particular treatment for gender dysphoria that requires medicalization.

01:00:17.000 And this has happened.

01:00:18.000 It didn't happen last year.

01:00:20.000 It didn't happen during the pandemic.

01:00:23.000 It happened 15 years ago.

01:00:25.000 15 years ago, the left had already decided this is how we're going to approach it.

01:00:31.000 And it's going to be, it's a multi-billion dollar business right now.

01:00:36.000 The pharmaceutical companies are pumping money into this.

01:00:38.000 Oh, gosh.

01:00:39.000 These doctors should be put in prison.

01:00:40.000 I mean, it's very, I'll close with this, right?

01:00:42.000 Because they say, well, they need medical treatment.

01:00:44.000 Do you give liposuction to someone who's anorexic?

01:00:47.000 No.

01:00:48.000 Oh, my God.

01:00:49.000 No.

01:00:50.000 Because that would be torture.

01:00:51.000 And that's what we're doing to 10-year-olds all across the country because they think there's something they're not.

01:00:56.000 You're giving liposuction to someone with anorexia, calling it medicine.

01:01:01.000 Yeah, there are now hundreds of gender clinics that will treat children, and it was 42,000 children last year who were seen.

01:01:08.000 Now, and remember, the standards of care are set up in such a way that medicalization is the natural result of the treatment process.

01:01:19.000 So they will be given drugs if they continue the treatment, and they will be recommended for mutilating surgeries if the treatment process continues as a natural course of the way doctors are supposed to do it according to the standard of care that we're operating from in the United States right now.

01:01:37.000 You tapped into a huge issue for us on a number of levels.

01:01:41.000 I don't know if that was helpful at all.

01:01:43.000 Yeah, so I mean, your question was: how do you navigate as an educator?

01:01:47.000 Come work at Dream City Christian at Turning Point Academy, and you won't have to worry about that.

01:01:53.000 Let me.

01:01:54.000 We're going to go to eight.

01:01:55.000 Is that okay, Joe?

01:01:56.000 Is that all right?

01:01:57.000 I feel some good momentum here.

01:01:58.000 All right, let's get to the next question.

01:01:59.000 Speaking of Dream City Christian, Turning Point Academy.

01:02:04.000 It's nice to meet you both.

01:02:07.000 I have a question.

01:02:08.000 What should you do when you have a friend and he just doesn't want to talk about the Bible when I'd like to, and he just tries to push it away?

01:02:20.000 And he's recess, and he just is into like Greek mythology and stuff.

01:02:28.000 And sometimes he looks suicidal.

01:02:31.000 So I was wondering how I could like stop that when he gets older or how I could like comfort him or something.

01:02:40.000 I love your heart.

01:02:42.000 Thank you.

01:02:49.000 A couple of things, and this is hard in a forum like this, but if your friend says, I don't, says something like, I don't think it's worth going on, or something to the effect where you realize, oh, these are thoughts about suicide, then you need to find a trusted adult to help you intervene in that situation.

01:03:16.000 That's not your job as a friend to be the one who intervenes, but it may be your job as a friend to help find somebody who can help.

01:03:27.000 So just do be aware of that.

01:03:32.000 Now, how do you get some...

01:03:34.000 This is interesting.

01:03:35.000 One of the things you see the authors of the Bible do is they start with where people are.

01:03:40.000 And you mentioned Greek mythology, which I think is fascinating because I want you to go home and I want you to read in the book of Acts, the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts is the next book.

01:03:51.000 Read chapter 17.

01:03:53.000 The Apostle Paul goes to a place called Athens, this place called Mars Hill, right next to the Parthenon.

01:04:00.000 You can see the Parthenon from Mars Hill.

01:04:03.000 And he says, there is an unknown God down there in the marketplace, and that's the God I'm going to proclaim to you.

01:04:09.000 He started with the culture of what the people already thought about and used that as a platform from which to teach the gospel.

01:04:17.000 So maybe ask questions like, oh, wow, so you're interested in mythology.

01:04:21.000 What is it that interests you about that?

01:04:25.000 You know, does it kind of ring true to you?

01:04:28.000 That I mean, that there, maybe there is an epic battle and we're all part of it and we think that our standing for truth could actually make a difference.

01:04:35.000 Do you ever feel that or think that?

01:04:37.000 In other words, you can just kind of use that interest.

01:04:40.000 And you can also ask questions like, do you ever think about, you know, should we really try to make a difference?

01:04:46.000 Should our lives be used to make a difference for other people?

01:04:50.000 If there ever was a situation where we had to stand for the truth, what would you do?

01:04:55.000 Do you think it's worth risking your life for what you really believe?

01:04:59.000 You know, there are all kinds of questions that you can ask that will help him start to think, yeah, maybe there is something bigger.

01:05:06.000 There's something more important than just my everyday experiences.

01:05:12.000 And the reason I could recommend that to you is because that, what I just described to you, is almost exactly how J.R.R. Tolkien led C.S. Lewis to faith in Christ.

01:05:24.000 Thank you, man.

01:05:25.000 All right.

01:05:30.000 My question is, why do you think the world goes off of logistic and scientific facts, yet the Bible speaks the truth, and it's still so rejected?

01:05:42.000 Did you get the question?

01:05:43.000 I did quite get.

01:05:45.000 You reread the first part, sorry.

01:05:48.000 Why do you think the world goes off of logistic and scientific facts, yet the Bible speaks the truth, and it's still so rejected?

01:05:58.000 Yeah.

01:05:58.000 Okay.

01:06:00.000 Awesome question.

01:06:02.000 In the book, True Changes Everything, I had a whole chapter on science.

01:06:05.000 It could be my very favorite chapter because here's the bottom line.

01:06:11.000 Science did not rise in rebellion against God.

01:06:16.000 It rose to applaud him.

01:06:24.000 It's still, John Lennox, who was a retired professor of mathematics at Oxford University, said that two-thirds of the people who've ever won the Nobel Prize in Science listed Christian as their affiliation.

01:06:34.000 Okay, that's not just old times.

01:06:37.000 That's now he's talking about.

01:06:40.000 What's going on?

01:06:41.000 All right, this is at the heart of your question.

01:06:45.000 If you reject the biblical assumption that the world was created, then we don't know that the world exists in a stable fashion, do we?

01:06:57.000 If you do an experiment at time A, you do an experiment at time B, you might actually be experimenting in a different world.

01:07:05.000 So, in fact, in the book, I list seven different assumptions about the world that are rooted in a biblical worldview that have to be assumed by scientists in order to even do their work.

01:07:18.000 Okay, but keep in mind also this: science is a way of knowing, it is not the only way of knowing.

01:07:27.000 At summit ministries, we look at ten areas: theology, philosophy, ethics, biology, psychology, sociology, law, politics, economics, and history.

01:07:36.000 All of those have different ways of knowing things.

01:07:39.000 Scientific way of knowing is not infallible.

01:07:43.000 We need to be really clear about this.

01:07:46.000 Scientists, science is in many ways the pursuit of failure for the sake of knowledge.

01:07:54.000 Only 11% of cancer clinical drug studies were able to, in one study that I looked at, were able to be replicated.

01:08:02.000 Like only 11%.

01:08:04.000 So people said this drug is going to be a miracle cure.

01:08:07.000 90% of the time, they were wrong.

01:08:09.000 And nobody could replicate the results.

01:08:12.000 Right.

01:08:13.000 So all sorts of things come into it.

01:08:15.000 Science is important.

01:08:16.000 It is a good way of knowing.

01:08:19.000 And it's possible because there actually is a God who's created.

01:08:25.000 I have a quick add-on.

01:08:26.000 If you take most college kids and just line them up and you ask them to prove something, and you say, oh, by the way, you're not allowed to say studies show.

01:08:39.000 They will not be able to tell you anything.

01:08:42.000 No, seriously.

01:08:43.000 Because their entire education system has been isolated to the only way of knowing is through science.

01:08:51.000 They do not believe that there is any knowledge that is outside of science.

01:08:55.000 They don't.

01:08:57.000 And every, and including many Christian schools, do this.

01:09:00.000 They do not believe in eternal knowledge, wisdom, teleological knowledge, epistemological knowledge, any of that.

01:09:07.000 And then we'll get to one more question.

01:09:08.000 Do you want to add on to that?

01:09:09.000 No, I think that's perfect.

01:09:10.000 Just keep in mind one of the cool things about a Christian worldview is there are so many ways you can think about the world.

01:09:17.000 And nobody's ever really believed that science was the only way.

01:09:21.000 Like if you see a bird in flight, you think, you know, I'm not really sure I understand what makes that so graceful.

01:09:26.000 I'm going to shoot it down, take it apart, put it on a pegboard, and label it, and then I will know the answer.

01:09:32.000 No, there's something about the brings up poetry that you would want to understand something about the grace and the beauty of something that doesn't avail itself of a reductionist approach.

01:09:45.000 There's more to life than just cause and effect.

01:09:49.000 Okay.

01:09:50.000 The last question is we're like, oh, yeah.

01:09:53.000 Go ahead.

01:09:56.000 This question is for Charlie.

01:09:58.000 My name is Colleen Henry.

01:10:00.000 I'm a physician assistant.

01:10:02.000 I was working in an internal medicine practice in Massachusetts during the pandemic.

01:10:08.000 And we see a lot of hospital follow-ups, a lot of adverse effects from the vaccine.

01:10:16.000 And I didn't want to get the vaccine, so staying in my truth and having other people also kind of rally around that, we've been able to get a lawsuit together, which is one of the few in the.

01:10:34.000 Thank you.

01:10:37.000 Definitely challenging, but we're out there now with our names in our case and whatnot.

01:10:45.000 Now we're just trying to figure out how to go about finding an expert testimony.

01:10:50.000 And I've tried to reach out to all of the big name people out there, epidemiologists, vaccinologists, and just wondering if you have any advice on that.

01:11:00.000 We hope to set some new case law.

01:11:03.000 Well, praise God for your courage and your willingness to fight.

01:11:07.000 I'd love to talk to you after I could connect you with Dr. Malone and Dr. McCullough and these amazing doctors that have done this research on all of this.

01:11:18.000 And I mean, you guys know my opinion on this.

01:11:20.000 We've been talking about it for a while.

01:11:22.000 And what is done in darkness will come to light.

01:11:27.000 And I don't know if you saw the recent Pfizer video that showed the Pfizer employees say that they are doing, what's the new term they use?

01:11:36.000 It's not gain of function.

01:11:38.000 It is something really sinister.

01:11:42.000 What is it?

01:11:44.000 Yeah, the fact that so many people know it, you have to understand how much hope that gives me.

01:11:48.000 The fact that 10 people just blurted it out, that's why we're going to win, everybody.

01:11:52.000 The fact that at an event I ask and 10 people know it, that's a really good sign.

01:11:57.000 That means you guys are on your toes and you're active and you're being citizens.

01:12:00.000 Look, you've got to keep that going, though.

01:12:02.000 It is.

01:12:02.000 And I remain really upset.

01:12:08.000 There's another word for it, but I'm not going to use it.

01:12:11.000 Of how many people's lives were put into jeopardy, careers ruined, people had to leave, incomes that were put into suspension.

01:12:19.000 People kicked out of the military for an mRNA shot that didn't even do what they said it did and obviously did a lot even more than that.

01:12:27.000 I ask the question all the time and people answer overwhelmingly.

01:12:30.000 Do you know someone that had an adverse event or died after taking the vaccine?

01:12:33.000 Hands go up all the time and people say, raise your hand, by the way, if you know someone that had an adverse event.

01:12:38.000 Yeah, by the way, so they call every, they say that it did not happen.

01:12:40.000 There's not one.

01:12:41.000 Every hand goes up here, right?

01:12:44.000 Yeah.

01:12:44.000 Someone's probably lying and people need to go to jail.

01:12:48.000 Yeah.

01:12:49.000 I think you probably will also, as you're going through this, you'll probably have some believers say, why are you picking a fight?

01:12:57.000 Christians aren't supposed to pick fights.

01:12:59.000 And I just want you to know that our justice system exists for this purpose.

01:13:07.000 Exercising our freedom is part of what allows us to remain free.

01:13:13.000 And so I would just, and I would also encourage you, and of course, you probably figured out that I think everything comes back to the Bible.

01:13:22.000 Like, the idea of tort law, negligence law, actually goes back to the book of Exodus.

01:13:29.000 And the guy who invented that field of law said so.

01:13:32.000 He said that loving, he said, resolving those wrongs is loving your neighbor put into law.

01:13:43.000 So it's going to be a hard road.

01:13:46.000 There's going to be a lot of work to be done.

01:13:48.000 You're going to experience a lot of attacks.

01:13:50.000 But thank you for sharing about your work.

01:13:55.000 So Dr. Myers, any closing thoughts?

01:13:59.000 I do.

01:14:01.000 If what we're talking about tonight is interesting to you and you'd like to see a copy of the book if you're here in person, then if you go right out this exit over here, I'll be there.

01:14:10.000 I'll be there to sign books.

01:14:12.000 They're one book for $15 or two books for $20.

01:14:18.000 The economics worked out that way.

01:14:22.000 Because I want you to share the truth with a friend.

01:14:25.000 That's the whole point.

01:14:27.000 So I'll be out there to talk with you.

01:14:29.000 If you're interested, the Summit Ministries program for a young adult, we're signing people up for this coming summer right now.

01:14:37.000 I love it.

01:14:38.000 That is a program that can change lives.

01:14:40.000 16 to 22-year-olds.

01:14:42.000 And you can find the discount code at summit.org/slash Charlie.

01:14:46.000 In the first line of Shakespeare's play on Julius Caesar, he says, Beware the Ides of March.

01:14:52.000 I want you to plan on being here on the Ides of March because literally March 15th, we have Dennis Prager coming for Freedom Night in America.

01:14:59.000 And so, if that reference doesn't mean anything to you, sorry.

01:15:02.000 But you won't forget it now.

01:15:04.000 When is the next one?

01:15:04.000 The Ides of March, okay?

01:15:06.000 March 15th, Dennis Prager will be here.

01:15:08.000 It is going to be amazing.

01:15:09.000 Bring a friend.

01:15:10.000 He's entertaining.

01:15:11.000 He's provocative.

01:15:12.000 He's deep.

01:15:13.000 He's thoughtful.

01:15:14.000 Dennis Prager, who has, I think, written one of the great Bible commentaries of all time.

01:15:21.000 Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy.

01:15:23.000 I think Numbers is just coming out.

01:15:25.000 No, Deuteronomy is just coming out.

01:15:26.000 Leviticus and Numbers have not.

01:15:28.000 And come, here's your challenge.

01:15:30.000 Come with the hardest Old Testament questions you can.

01:15:34.000 No, seriously.

01:15:35.000 Dennis, what about this in Leviticus?

01:15:37.000 How could God pop?

01:15:38.000 He has heard it all and he has very thoughtful answers on it.

01:15:42.000 So that's your homework.

01:15:43.000 You're going to bring a friend and you're going to come with the hardest, most challenging Old Testament question that you can come up with.

01:15:51.000 And you're going to ask Dennis Prager about it on the Ides of March.

01:15:54.000 Buy Dr. Meyer's book and please join me in thanking him for being here tonight.

01:15:57.000 God bless you guys and he'll see you out there.

01:16:05.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:16:07.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:16:10.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.

01:16:14.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - March 24, 2023

Freedom Night with Dr. Jeff Myers

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