The Charlie Kirk Show - June 20, 2023


From Abortionist to Pro-Life Leader with Dr. Haywood Robinson and Vince Everett Ellison

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slavery pro-life advocacy mortgage woke banks abortion disparities and eugenics
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Hayward Robinson Vince Everett Ellingson Tucker Carlson Andrew Delray Donald Trump Jesus Christ Jim Crow Vince Everett Ellison Thomas Jefferson Maureen Johnson Margaret Sanger Scott Peterson Turning Point Steve Bannon Al Charlatan Muddy Waters Josh Hawley Megan Kelly Dan Bongino Jim Clyburn and 10 more
What’s the Matter with Juneteenth? The $10 Trillion Company that Rules the World with James O'Keefe

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Two incredibly powerful guests about Black culture, abortion, the Democratic Party, and trans issues. Author and journalist Vince E. Ellison joins Jemele to discuss his new book, 25 Lies and Crime Inc., and author and radio host Charlie Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA, joins the show to discuss the relationship between Black America and the Democrat Party.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, two incredibly powerful guests about black culture, abortion, the Democrat Party, trans issues.
00:00:08.000 You are going to love this episode.
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00:00:35.000 Here we go.
00:00:36.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:38.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
00:00:40.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:43.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:47.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:48.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:49.000 His spirit, his love of this country.
00:00:51.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.
00:00:56.000 Turning point USA. 0.65
00:00:57.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
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00:01:19.000 Welcome back, everybody.
00:01:20.000 Email us freedom at charliekirk.com, the regime, and all everyone's saying Juneteenth, Juneteenth.
00:01:26.000 I want to have Vince Everett Ellison with us now, author of a new book, Crime Inc, and author also of 25 Lies and Crime Inc., How Democrats Employ Mafia and Gangster Tactics to Gain and Hold Power.
00:01:39.000 Vince, welcome to the program.
00:01:42.000 Hey, Charlie, thanks for having me, man.
00:01:44.000 Thank you.
00:01:45.000 So several things I want to ask you and explore with you.
00:01:48.000 But first, it's Juneteenth.
00:01:49.000 How should we think about Juneteenth?
00:01:52.000 You know, in my book, 25 Lies, I talk about how the Democrat Party lies.
00:01:56.000 You know, I was born on a cotton plantation in Hayward County, Tennessee.
00:01:59.000 My father was a chaircropper.
00:02:01.000 So I know the Democratic Party and the Southern Democratic Party very, very well.
00:02:05.000 And Juneteenth is a celebration now that the Democratic Party is trying to hijack.
00:02:10.000 The Democratic Party celebrating Juneteenth is like the Gestapo celebrating Hanukkah. 0.67
00:02:18.000 The Democratic Party was the party that owned the slaves. 0.96
00:02:20.000 They were the party that fought to destroy America and to keep their slaves. 0.95
00:02:24.000 They were the party that kept Jim Crow for 100 years, keeping black people from voting and castrating them and murdering them. 0.99
00:02:33.000 And now they want to say, ooh, let's celebrate Juneteenth and the emancipation of black people.
00:02:40.000 No, Juneteenth came about because black Republicans and white Republicans came down south and forcibly freed southern black people from their Democratic Party slave masters.
00:02:53.000 That is the truth.
00:02:54.000 And just like everything else, the Democratic Party is trying to hijack and lie and deflect their sins on the rest of America. 0.98
00:03:02.000 So like, you know, they're just liars, they have their miscreants. 1.00
00:03:06.000 And black people can have as many holidays as they want. 0.99
00:03:08.000 They're going to have Juneteenth, they can have MLK Day. 0.95
00:03:12.000 They can tear down Confederate statues and they can tear down the flags.
00:03:15.000 But until they decide to break a loose from this demonic, evil institution called the Democratic Party, they'll never have any peace in America.
00:03:24.000 I think that's exactly right.
00:03:25.000 And so a couple thoughts on that.
00:03:27.000 Or I have a question on that.
00:03:29.000 So in the black community, is there finally some questioning about this really abusive relationship between black America and the Democrat Party?
00:03:39.000 Well, Charlie, because of the work that you've been doing and people like you, yes, there is.
00:03:43.000 Thank you.
00:03:44.000 Younger black people, the younger black people are beginning to question it.
00:03:47.000 What you've been doing for the past few years with your blogs, with your radio show, with Turning Point, you're putting information out there that they cannot argue with.
00:03:57.000 So, you know, they're good at deflecting, as you know, but they now have a conspiracy of silence, as you know.
00:04:04.000 They try to keep people like you and me from talking to the black community because they know that if we ever start talking to them, the Democrat Party's done.
00:04:12.000 I think there's some truth to that.
00:04:13.000 And so, I want to go issue by issue.
00:04:16.000 You know, we just hosted a Blexit event in New York.
00:04:18.000 Mind you, we had five different venues cancel us.
00:04:22.000 But interestingly enough, it was not black activists that were trying to cancel us. 0.61
00:04:27.000 It was white liberals. 0.51
00:04:28.000 It was white liberals.
00:04:31.000 There it is.
00:04:33.000 Why does that resonate with you?
00:04:36.000 Well, in my first book, Charlie, it's called The Iron Triangle.
00:04:39.000 A little bit about my history.
00:04:40.000 I worked as a correctional officer for five years in South Carolina.
00:04:44.000 And in that prison, I saw how they were locking up black men.
00:04:46.000 And I asked the black intelligentsia, so why are these young black men being locked up? 0.99
00:04:50.000 And they said, okay, you know, the old refrain, oh, evil, rich, white Republicans hate black people and just want to hurt them. 0.98
00:04:56.000 So I resigned my post as a correctional officer, went into the black community, and I saw something pretty interesting. 0.99
00:05:02.000 I saw no evil, rich, white Republicans anywhere around. 0.94
00:05:05.000 You see a leprechaun before you saw one. 0.99
00:05:07.000 What I did see was a bunch of black Democrats.
00:05:11.000 And I saw these three entities making a lot of money off of the chaos.
00:05:15.000 And I called them the Iron Triangle.
00:05:16.000 They're the black preacher, black politician, and black civil rights worker.
00:05:21.000 Not all of them, most of them.
00:05:23.000 And they were conduits between the black community and the rich white liberals who need to keep the black community under control for their vote. 0.95
00:05:33.000 And they pay them.
00:05:34.000 The black preacher, the black civil rights organization, and the black politician are the only group in America that get paid by politicians.
00:05:45.000 You know, everybody else has a pat, right?
00:05:47.000 They pay politicians.
00:05:49.000 No, no, no. 0.91
00:05:49.000 Politicians pay the black preacher, the black politician, and the black civil rights organizations to keep the black community on the Democrat Party plantation. 0.91
00:05:59.000 This is why when you look at these congressional black districts, you think these guys want these districts to be integrated?
00:06:05.000 No.
00:06:07.000 They call it justification when white folks move in now. 0.86
00:06:10.000 They don't want you there. 0.93
00:06:11.000 They love segregation.
00:06:12.000 They control the terrible schools.
00:06:14.000 They control the ghettos. 0.99
00:06:16.000 They control every crack house, every whole house, every, every, every apostate church. 0.99
00:06:21.000 They've taken the black church, they made it apostate. 0.99
00:06:24.000 They've taken the black school, they've destroyed it. 0.99
00:06:26.000 They've taken the black man and they locked him up. 1.00
00:06:28.000 The Democratic Party is an evil institution. 1.00
00:06:31.000 It is controlled by a couple of perverts, liars, psychopaths, and anti-Christian bigots. 1.00
00:06:37.000 And until the black community shake off the shackles of this party, they will never, ever be free here in America. 1.00
00:06:44.000 So, Vince, let's talk about some of the issues. 0.95
00:06:47.000 And I think you're spot on because there is this black leadership issue where they get paid by white liberals to control the ordinary black person, right? 0.98
00:06:55.000 Someone, the black people that are doing their best to get ahead.
00:06:58.000 They're raising their kids.
00:07:00.000 They're working hard, and yet they don't see the conditions of their community improve.
00:07:04.000 They don't see the schools improve.
00:07:05.000 They don't see crime improve.
00:07:07.000 But is the argument you're making that black leadership, like Al Charlatan and some of these people, they're actually proxies of wealthy white liberals to keep the black community voting Democrat?
00:07:23.000 Oh, most definitely. 0.52
00:07:24.000 Look, Jim Crow, Jim Clyburn, Maxine Muddy Waters, they are just the 21st century concept of the old house Negro, the old house slave. 0.98
00:07:37.000 And his job was the same as theirs.
00:07:39.000 He was a conduit, a proxy, designed to keep the black field hand in control for the white master. 0.98
00:07:49.000 And after slavery, they kept that same system in control.
00:07:53.000 And now, after the civil rights movement, they did it again. 0.55
00:07:55.000 They just gave him a different title.
00:07:57.000 Now he's congressman.
00:07:59.000 He's councilman. 0.98
00:08:00.000 But they get their money from the same Democrats that for the last 220 years have made their power off the backs of black people. 0.86
00:08:09.000 They used to pick cotton, now they pick votes. 0.99
00:08:12.000 And as I tell black people now, slavery was a choice. 0.93
00:08:15.000 Freedom is a choice.
00:08:16.000 After the Emancipation Proclamation, you know how many black people left the plantations to help the Union Army fight for their freedom?
00:08:22.000 Only 5,000.
00:08:24.000 5,000.
00:08:25.000 All the white men were gone.
00:08:27.000 They were fighting for the Confederacy.
00:08:29.000 Why were black men still on the plantation picking cotton, digging ditches, putting up ramparts to help the Confederacy to keep them in slavery? 0.78
00:08:39.000 The same reason they march, they pick it, and they vote now for the same Confederacy.
00:08:44.000 Slavery is a choice.
00:08:46.000 Freedom is a choice.
00:08:47.000 They didn't take it then.
00:08:48.000 They're not taking it now.
00:08:50.000 So when you decide to become a free man, nothing can stop you.
00:08:54.000 Freedom is an unalienable right given to you by God.
00:08:58.000 It is irrevocable, non-transferable, and unsellable, according to John Locke.
00:09:02.000 It is born with you.
00:09:04.000 Thomas Jefferson talked about it. 0.96
00:09:06.000 And the reason why black people are not free in America is because they choose not to be free. 1.00
00:09:11.000 Nobody can give you your freedom. 0.98
00:09:12.000 It is something that you activate.
00:09:14.000 It is something that you just do.
00:09:16.000 It is something that you just put into action.
00:09:19.000 It is mine.
00:09:20.000 And we were told during the civil rights movement that we have to go ask the government for our freedom.
00:09:25.000 This is why we march so much.
00:09:27.000 This is why black people march more than anybody in the world because they believe that white people can give them their freedom and they just won't do it.
00:09:35.000 No, it is a lie. 0.98
00:09:36.000 And these white liberals keep telling them, they'll give you your freedom.
00:09:39.000 They just don't want to do it.
00:09:40.000 If you keep marching and you keep begging them, they'll give it to you.
00:09:43.000 No, your freedom is yours.
00:09:45.000 You have to activate it.
00:09:46.000 And when they understand that, they'll be like every other minority here in America, the Jewish community, the Indian community, the Asian community, probably doing better than the white community. 0.69
00:09:58.000 But again, the black preacher, the black civil rights organization, the black civil rights organization, and a black politician keeps telling them the same lie over and over and over again. 0.70
00:10:11.000 You're oppressed. 0.89
00:10:11.000 And it's not as if there's a lack of capital to spend on these issues. 0.89
00:10:15.000 BLM raises billions of dollars.
00:10:17.000 Was that spent on better schools for black kids or for rebuilding infrastructure?
00:10:22.000 No, it wasn't.
00:10:23.000 It was white liberals trying to assuage their guilt because they're told they're racist and it goes to these laundering organizations.
00:10:31.000 I want to plug your book, 25 Lies in Crime Inc., How Democrats Employ Mafia and Gangster Tactics to Gain and Hold Power.
00:10:42.000 Hey, everybody.
00:10:43.000 Look, if you're pro-life, listen carefully.
00:10:45.000 It's important to advocate for pro-life laws.
00:10:48.000 I'm all in favor of that.
00:10:49.000 Pro-life legislation, supporting pro-life candidates.
00:10:52.000 But you have to simultaneously do the other thing.
00:10:55.000 I believe you actually have an obligation, which is to support women in need and babies in need that are at risk of being aborted.
00:11:02.000 Look, when you introduce a girl to her baby by providing an ultrasound, you're giving her the truth at the most critical and important time in her life.
00:11:11.000 85% of the time when they actually see the baby, they choose life.
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00:12:18.000 There are many whites who are trying to solve the problem, but you never see them going under the label of liberals.
00:12:24.000 That white person that you see calling himself a liberal is the most dangerous thing in the entire Western hemisphere. 0.98
00:12:31.000 He's the most deceitful. 1.00
00:12:32.000 He's like a fox.
00:12:33.000 And a fox is almost, is always more dangerous in the forest than the wolf.
00:12:37.000 You can see the wolf coming.
00:12:38.000 You know what he's up to.
00:12:40.000 But the fox will fool you.
00:12:41.000 He comes at you with his mouth shaped in such a way that even though you see his teeth, you think he's smiling.
00:12:47.000 That is Malcolm X. Our guest is Vince Everett Ellingson.
00:12:50.000 Vince, talking about that triangle, in your own words, the Iron Triangle, I want to ask you about a specific issue that I do not think is going to resonate at all in black America, and that is this trans issue.
00:13:03.000 Out of all the white liberal idea pathogens, the one that I see really some resistance, some disagreement, some kind of what the hell are you doing is trying to trans black youth.
00:13:15.000 Am I correct in that assumption? 0.89
00:13:17.000 Charlie, you're 100% correct.
00:13:19.000 I mean, and here's the thing: we have to make sure that the black community understands that the Democratic Party is behind it.
00:13:27.000 You're going to any black church on Sunday morning.
00:13:29.000 Oh, they're talking about transgenderism. 0.89
00:13:32.000 They'll talk about LGBTQ. 0.99
00:13:33.000 They'll talk about killing, dope, fighting, and crime.
00:13:36.000 But they'll tell you to go vote for the very same Democrat politician that's pushing it all.
00:13:41.000 Why?
00:13:41.000 Because we never ever put it together in a nice little box and say that the Democratic Party is behind this and that the Democrat Party congressman that you're voting for is the guy that's pushing it.
00:13:53.000 And if you keep on voting for this guy, you're going to send your own soul to hell.
00:13:57.000 Because our Bible tells us that not just the people that do these things are going to go to hell, but the people that encourage them are also going to hell.
00:14:05.000 You're going to be held responsible for your vote.
00:14:07.000 I have a documentary out right now called Will You Go to Hell for Me.
00:14:11.000 Before Tucker Carlson left Fox, he allowed me to debut the trailer on the show.
00:14:16.000 Again, you can view this trailer on willyougohellfrome.com.
00:14:19.000 Most powerful trailer you ever seen.
00:14:21.000 And I'm asking the question: how can Christian Democrats think they can vote for this party that wants to castrate little boys and call them little girls? 0.55
00:14:31.000 That wants to give dope mastectomies to little girls and call them little boys. 0.98
00:14:34.000 That will allow demented grown men to go to the bathroom with your daughters. 0.95
00:14:39.000 That will allow grown men to participate in sporting activities with little girls. 0.66
00:14:45.000 To allow grown men to put on dresses and go into public schools and shake their behinds in your children's faces while they're trying to learn their ABCs in 123. 0.64
00:14:54.000 How do you think you're going to vote for this and not be held responsible by God?
00:15:00.000 Because Jesus Christ said, if anyone harm one of these little ones, it is better that a millstone be tied around your neck and you be thrown into the sea.
00:15:10.000 Well, I hope these Democrats get swear.
00:15:12.000 So, Vince, I want to ask you, okay, going into 2024, whoever the nominee, Donald Trump or whatever, they go to Atlanta, they go to Philadelphia, and they have an opportunity to speak to black audiences, which I tell Republicans, don't be afraid.
00:15:25.000 And Vince, you know this.
00:15:26.000 Some conservatives, white conservatives, are afraid to go talk to black people, that they're going to get heckled. 0.62
00:15:30.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00
00:15:31.000 It's stupid. 1.00
00:15:32.000 Get rid of that. 1.00
00:15:32.000 Go talk to them. 1.00
00:15:33.000 It's stupid. 1.00
00:15:34.000 But what should the message be? 1.00
00:15:36.000 How do we win an extra 5 or 10 or 15% of blacks in 2024?
00:15:41.000 What is the message?
00:15:41.000 What is the case?
00:15:43.000 You go into the black community. 0.99
00:15:45.000 The Democratic Party is a party of anti-Christian bigots. 1.00
00:15:49.000 They're a bunch of liars, perverts. 1.00
00:15:52.000 They take your children and lock them in failing schools. 1.00
00:15:54.000 Will not let them out.
00:15:56.000 They allow fentanyl and sex trips to come across that border, and these people come right into your neighborhood.
00:16:02.000 And they take space from your children and from you.
00:16:04.000 And they fight for programs that are government benefits that you should be getting.
00:16:08.000 You tell them that they want to disarm you in a war zone.
00:16:13.000 And then they want to dismantle and defund the police at the same time.
00:16:18.000 Why would they do that?
00:16:19.000 They want the drugs in your community. 1.00
00:16:21.000 They want the crime in your community.
00:16:22.000 They want the murder. 0.99
00:16:24.000 They want the rape. 1.00
00:16:25.000 That's what you tell them. 0.99
00:16:26.000 You said, look around you.
00:16:28.000 For 220 years, what has been the one thing that has been on your neck?
00:16:33.000 It hasn't been the Republican Party.
00:16:34.000 It's been the Democrat Party.
00:16:36.000 Name me an area in America that's Republican, that is majority black, that the Republican Party runs anything.
00:16:43.000 You can't name it.
00:16:45.000 Everywhere where your people live, the Democrat Party controls it, and the Democrat Party is killing you in real time.
00:16:51.000 They've always hated you.
00:16:53.000 And then you tell them you and you alone have the power to break this cycle.
00:16:58.000 You, you alone.
00:17:00.000 It is not the Republicans.
00:17:02.000 It is not America. 0.68
00:17:03.000 It is you.
00:17:05.000 And until you decide to get these people off of your back, you deserve everything you get.
00:17:11.000 Well, you heard it.
00:17:12.000 A Republican consultant wouldn't tell you that.
00:17:14.000 A Republican consultant would say, go to the inner city and talk about tax policy.
00:17:18.000 You have to speak honest.
00:17:19.000 You have to be candid.
00:17:20.000 You have to connect with people on a deep and real level.
00:17:24.000 Vince, excellent commentary.
00:17:26.000 I want to have you back on.
00:17:27.000 And I also want to have you speak at our events.
00:17:29.000 I think you're a very powerful voice.
00:17:32.000 And I love it because you're candid and courageous, which are two of my favorite things.
00:17:36.000 Vince, thank you so much.
00:17:37.000 And check out his book, Criming.
00:17:39.000 Man, I've been a fan of yours for a while.
00:17:41.000 I'm so proud of what you're doing.
00:17:43.000 You're young.
00:17:43.000 You're passionate.
00:17:44.000 And look, I'm here to help you in any way that I possibly can.
00:17:47.000 Please call me.
00:17:48.000 Let's hook up.
00:17:48.000 You're a good man.
00:17:49.000 Thank you.
00:17:50.000 You have a great talent.
00:17:51.000 Thank you so much.
00:17:54.000 I want to tell you guys about something every single one of you can benefit from, and you guys need to change.
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00:18:02.000 Look, I balance a lot of stuff.
00:18:03.000 I'm traveling all the time, my show.
00:18:05.000 And I recently needed to get a mortgage to get something figured out.
00:18:09.000 And it was a tough one.
00:18:10.000 And I didn't want to go to those woke banks. 0.98
00:18:11.000 I, you know, I did previous, my last mortgage we did, it was with a woke bank, and they were just, they were bureaucratic, and they donate the BLM and the gay agenda and all that stuff. 0.93
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00:18:43.000 I said, okay, let's see how it is.
00:18:44.000 You know, we do a lot of things together.
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00:18:47.000 They respond within minutes.
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00:18:58.000 Stop using the woke banks.
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00:19:03.000 Stop doing that.
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00:21:10.000 Joining us in a second is an unbelievably powerful guest, Hayward Robinson, Dr. Hayward Robinson, who for years was an abortionist and had an encounter with God and now speaks out against abortion.
00:21:28.000 Pretty remarkable story.
00:21:31.000 And I'm excited to speak with him about that.
00:21:35.000 Since his salvation in 1986, Dr. Robinson has been a voice for the pro-life movement.
00:21:40.000 And today, Dr. Robinson shares his testimony worldwide to expose the facts of the abortion industry and be a voice for the unborn.
00:21:47.000 Dr. Robinson, welcome to the program.
00:21:50.000 It's a blessing to be here, Charlie.
00:21:53.000 Great to be on your show today.
00:21:54.000 God bless you.
00:21:55.000 Thank you.
00:21:55.000 And God bless you for your work and your courage.
00:21:58.000 Tell our audience your story.
00:22:00.000 What did you do as an abortionist?
00:22:02.000 And how did God change your life?
00:22:07.000 Well, what I've learned is that we need to use the word abortion less.
00:22:12.000 Basically, I was a paid killer of pre-born children. 0.98
00:22:15.000 All the mother needed to do, and we need to stress to these women that they're already mothers when they have conceived, is they would pay someone like me to take them into a facility. 1.00
00:22:27.000 It's not a clinic, it's a killing center, where I would then take that baby's life and then away once I got the money.
00:22:36.000 So I was saved by the Lord Jesus Christ a bit over 30 years ago and went from darkness to light, a Saul, Paul, conversion.
00:22:47.000 And the scales fell off my eyes, even though I knew the truth scientifically that a pre-born child is indeed human, is a developing Homo sapien, and I would take that life.
00:23:00.000 The Lord opened my eyes to know that every life is sacred and that he can indeed do the same thing for anyone else who's involved in the abortion cartel or the abortion industry.
00:23:14.000 It's all about a business of killing children, and we've got to stop these, I call them anti-humanites from their ill deeds.
00:23:26.000 So, how many abortions did you personally perform?
00:23:31.000 I would probably say in the neighborhood of hundreds, I was not one of these abortionists that practiced for decades.
00:23:38.000 I practiced or did abortions more on the side, moonlighting during residency.
00:23:46.000 So it was the type of thing I did in the evenings and on weekends.
00:23:52.000 So it wasn't something that I did over an extended period of time.
00:23:56.000 But even if you do it for a short period of time, it's an easy money.
00:24:02.000 The procedure is not very complicated.
00:24:04.000 I'm not going to say it's a simple procedure.
00:24:07.000 There's no such thing as a simple surgical procedure because they can have devastating consequences.
00:24:14.000 But you can do a first trimester suction DNC or suction dilation and curatage in about 10 minutes.
00:24:21.000 You have two rooms running.
00:24:24.000 When you finish the killing in one room, you just move to the next room where there's a patient already waiting.
00:24:32.000 And then there's this lie that they tell that this abortion thing is about an agreement or something between the doctor and the mother.
00:24:41.000 No, it's not.
00:24:43.000 You don't meet this patient until you walk in the room, you barely introduce yourself and you kill their child.
00:24:50.000 And then you send them out on the streets after give them a graham cracker and maybe a little cup of juice. 0.71
00:24:56.000 And then you walk away with the money.
00:24:59.000 When you were performing these, was there any part of you before you had that revelation moment where you had to suppress the guilt of what you were doing?
00:25:09.000 Was there a time where you were like, I don't love this, where you had to almost fight it and say, ah, it's, you know, or just, was there a process of justification you went through before your eyes were totally opened?
00:25:23.000 Well, the key word, Charlie, is dehumanization/slash desensitization.
00:25:30.000 The first time you see an abortion, you get a feeling in you, you know, this just ain't quite right.
00:25:37.000 And that's normal for a human being.
00:25:40.000 When you see another human being, particularly one that's defenseless, now we have to admit that a very small six or seven week pre-born child doesn't look a lot like you and I, but it is still indeed a human being.
00:25:56.000 And you know that what you're doing is taking away a developing life.
00:26:01.000 But after you see one, and in the book, The Scalpel and the Soul, we talk about how you can see one, you become progressively desensitized.
00:26:11.000 Your eyes are the window to your soul.
00:26:15.000 And once you let that virus in, that's the first step of desensitizing your humanity, desensitizing your heart.
00:26:25.000 And the next time you see one, it's a little less.
00:26:28.000 So the next thing you do, or the next thing you know, you're there sitting there getting ready to do an abortion yourself.
00:26:36.000 And after the first one, it's kind of difficult.
00:26:40.000 But you know, it's a funny thing about evil.
00:26:42.000 It's a funny thing about habits and addictions.
00:26:45.000 They have a way to desensitize the normal response to something that's noxious.
00:26:52.000 All one needs to do is think about the first time they tried to smoke a cigarette, they coughed, and that's because it was a foreign, noxious stimulus.
00:27:02.000 And that's what abortion is.
00:27:03.000 You're seeing the killing of a pre-born child, and you progressively desensitize yourself and take the humanity away from the baby, which eventually happens to the doctor also.
00:27:17.000 And so desensitization and dehumanization, which we've done with other people groups also throughout history, that's what happens with pre-born child killing or what we refer to as abortion.
00:27:30.000 So you had your transformational moment.
00:27:32.000 Walk us through time, place.
00:27:34.000 Where did it happen where you just dropped the scalpel and you said no more?
00:27:38.000 Walk us through that.
00:27:40.000 Well, I was trained to do this in Southern California in Los Angeles, where I grew up.
00:27:48.000 I stopped doing abortions in 1981 and met my wife and during residency training in the same hospital where I trained.
00:28:00.000 After being married, we moved to Bryan College Station, Texas, where we just wanted to practice normal medicine.
00:28:07.000 It's not in the normal DNA of a young doctor to say, well, I want to be an abortion the rest of abortionist for the rest of my life.
00:28:17.000 No, most 99.9 of the applicants to medical school just want to be a good doctor and help others.
00:28:26.000 It's the attraction of easy money that draws people into the abortion cartel.
00:28:34.000 Now, for me, it was rather atypical.
00:28:37.000 I went to a Leon Patello Christian music concert where he had something like what we would call an altar call, where he asked, who wants things to be 100% right with God?
00:28:52.000 And I stood up and he prayed, but I didn't know exactly what I was praying for.
00:29:00.000 But the Lord took that and honored that moment as my Damascus road experience.
00:29:06.000 And over the next several weeks, the gospel was indeed explained to me.
00:29:11.000 I knew that I was a new creature in Christ.
00:29:13.000 I knew that Jesus, he who had no sin, became sin that I might know the righteousness of God.
00:29:20.000 And from that time on, I've been discipled.
00:29:23.000 I've become very active in the pro-life movement, right along with my late wife, Maureen Johnson.
00:29:30.000 And I'm working right now full-time with 40 Days for Life, which is a very robust pro-life organization that's impacting the war against the pre-born. 0.98
00:29:43.000 So he took me from darkness to light.
00:29:47.000 I remind people that the revolving door or the door that leads from darkness to light, from being a baby killer to a pro-life warrior, swings only one way.
00:29:58.000 And we don't have people who are pro-life and then they decide they're going to be an abortionist.
00:30:04.000 And I'm just thankful that we're just about to celebrate the first anniversary of the overturning of Roe E. Wade.
00:30:12.000 But we've got to recognize that there's still a lot of abortions going on and our fight is really just beginning.
00:30:21.000 We've got a lot of work to do.
00:30:23.000 Amen.
00:30:24.000 The name of the book again?
00:30:25.000 Scalpel and the Soul.
00:30:27.000 It's available.
00:30:28.000 You can get it from our website, 40 Days for Life, 40DaysForLife.com or through Amazon or the usual outlets.
00:30:36.000 It's been a blessing.
00:30:37.000 I'm not trying to sell books or become famous.
00:30:40.000 I'm hoping that hearts are changed, babies are saved, and we move out of this evil age of pre-born child killing.
00:30:49.000 It's a very, very important book, an incredibly important topic.
00:30:55.000 You know, on June 20th, tomorrow will be the historic overturning of Roe versus Wade.
00:31:01.000 So Dr. Robinson continues to us.
00:31:03.000 So Dr. Robinson, can you comment on how abortion disproportionately impacts the black community?
00:31:11.000 Yes. 0.89
00:31:12.000 A white woman, so let's look at it from a black woman's point of view. 1.00
00:31:17.000 She is twice as likely as her white counterpart to have an abortion performed on her. 1.00
00:31:26.000 If we look at the general population, it's probably around one out of five or one out of six.
00:31:33.000 When it comes to blacks, it's about one out of three, but it varies across the United States.
00:31:41.000 When we look at a place like New York City, that's where you see the largest disparity of blacks and abortion.
00:31:51.000 And this is not by accident.
00:31:53.000 The roots of it are in what we call eugenics or Margaret Sanger's type of eugenics, where they decide or have a policy or philosophy that there's certain racial stocks that should not be proliferating and that they are human weeds. 0.73
00:32:13.000 If you look at the statistics in New York City, you will find that there are more blacks aborted than there are live births.
00:32:22.000 But it's something that the mainstream media and what we refer to as the black leadership, they don't talk about that because it's just not an appropriate narrative, mainly because you can't make any money off of it and the media is not going to cover it.
00:32:40.000 So what the people who know the statistics are right there.
00:32:44.000 The numbers don't lie.
00:32:46.000 The black population in this United States is being suppressed. 1.00
00:32:51.000 The most dangerous place for a black human being is inside of a black womb. 1.00
00:32:58.000 They have only about a two-thirds chance of surviving that 40-week lease space, so to speak, and coming out alive. 0.99
00:33:09.000 So it's very unfortunate that the black church will not stand up against this evil and this disparity. 0.92
00:33:17.000 Now, of course, abortion is evil regardless of if it's white or black, but it disproportionately affects the black race in the United States. 0.80
00:33:28.000 And so what do you find is, and you have a great temperament and an unbelievable story.
00:33:34.000 What do you think is the most persuasive way to convince someone who is pro-abortion to reconsider their views?
00:33:41.000 What questions, what arguments have you found over your multiple decades of speech and advocacy to be the most effective?
00:33:49.000 Well, I found it's best to so-called flip the switch.
00:33:53.000 And it's not the eloquence of what I may have or my experience. 0.95
00:33:59.000 It's get them to articulate why they like killing babies.
00:34:03.000 Don't say, why are you pro-choice or why do you believe in reproductive rights?
00:34:08.000 Those are all euphemisms that are used to stop us from saying what we're really talking about.
00:34:13.000 Just ask the person, well, why do you believe in killing babies?
00:34:16.000 And first off, it's going to have them to wake up.
00:34:20.000 That's what they're in favor of. 0.72
00:34:22.000 They're in favor of a legalized killing of pre-born children and get them to explain why. 0.88
00:34:29.000 They'll usually say things like a woman has bodily autonomy and the government shouldn't stand between them and the rights to their body. 0.99
00:34:41.000 But we need to then make them aware, well, yes, they do. 0.99
00:34:45.000 And all you need to do is murder a pregnant woman and you will be tried for two murders. 0.70
00:34:51.000 The best example would be that we know of right now.
00:34:55.000 Scott Peterson is on death row in San Quentin.
00:34:58.000 I believe that's where he's in prison in California.
00:35:01.000 He killed his pregnant wife.
00:35:03.000 He's on death row for two murders.
00:35:05.000 You see, the state has an interest in the pre-born because they recognize that they are pre-born humans.
00:35:13.000 you are a physician and you suspect that a woman is using drugs and she's pregnant, you by law have to report that to Child Protective Services because the state has an interest in the welfare of the child.
00:35:28.000 So it's what we see here is the abortion distortion.
00:35:33.000 We want to recognize the humanity and the legal protection of the pre-born child in one instance.
00:35:41.000 But if it comes to killing it because it's an abortion or a pre-born child killing for money, we change the legal standard and it's schizophrenia.
00:35:51.000 You can't have it both ways.
00:35:53.000 Dr. Robinson, thank you so much for your courage and your wisdom.
00:35:59.000 And check out his book, The Scalpel and the Soul.
00:36:01.000 That's the name of it, right?
00:36:02.000 That's right.
00:36:03.000 That said, thank you, Charlie.
00:36:05.000 Dr. Robinson, thank you so much.
00:36:07.000 And praise God, Roe versus Wade is repealed.
00:36:09.000 Overturned.
00:36:10.000 Praise God.
00:36:10.000 God bless you.
00:36:12.000 Thanks so much for listening.
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