The Charlie Kirk Show - From the Archive: Charlie on Morality, the Separation of Church and State, and Strong Pastors

00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.

00:00:05.000 I run the largest pro American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.

00:00:11.000 My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth.

00:00:14.000 If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable.

00:00:19.000 But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful.

00:00:24.000 College is a scam, everybody.

00:00:26.000 You got to stop sending your kids to college.

00:00:28.000 You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible.

00:00:31.000 Go start a Turning Point USA college chapter.

00:00:33.000 Go start a Turning Point USA high school chapter.

00:00:35.000 Go find out how your church can get involved.

00:00:37.000 Sign up and become an activist.

00:00:38.000 I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade.

00:00:41.000 Most important decision I ever made in my life.

00:00:43.000 And I encourage you to do the same.

00:00:45.000 Here I am.

00:00:46.000 Lord, use me.

00:00:48.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:49.000 Here we go.

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00:01:17.000 I'm still amazed that you're 28 years old and you've made such an impact.

00:01:23.000 It's all the Lord.

00:01:25.000 It's all the Lord.

00:01:26.000 I'll tell you what, we're just vessels for what He wants us to do.

00:01:29.000 I'll tell you what.

00:01:30.000 Well, just earlier, you were spending some time with Ron and I, and we just said, We thank God for you.

00:01:37.000 That the Lord has put his hand on you and raised you up.

00:01:40.000 And we're really, really grateful.

00:01:45.000 Thank you.

00:01:46.000 And I just want to say this before we get started.

00:01:49.000 I have an opportunity to travel to a lot of churches and speak with a lot of pastors.

00:01:53.000 You are so blessed at this church to have the pastors that you have.

00:01:58.000 Pastor Wes and Pastor Ron, you are being led so well.

00:02:01.000 And we'll get into this during the conversation, but it's easy to back off, it's easy to stay quiet.

00:02:08.000 We're commanded to do the tough stuff.

00:02:11.000 And this church is taking some incredibly courageous and biblical stands.

00:02:15.000 And you're being led very well here, I have to tell you.

00:02:17.000 You really are.

00:02:21.000 Well, I wanted to jump in before we jump into the weeds.

00:02:25.000 There's some people here, believe it or not, because not everybody has access to all the awesome videos and content that you're producing.

00:02:32.000 But who is Charlie Kirk?

00:02:35.000 Who are you?

00:02:36.000 And how in the world did you get to the point where you're at at 28 years old?

00:02:40.000 Depends who you ask, I guess.

00:02:42.000 A couple different answers to that.

00:02:44.000 First of all, I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade, most important decision I made in my life.

00:02:48.000 I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago, so in the state of Illinois.

00:02:55.000 Now, you're going to have to now hear my Illinois deal.

00:02:58.000 You guys all know this.

00:02:59.000 You see, in Illinois, we have term limits, a little different than most states one term in office, one term in jail.

00:03:08.000 See?

00:03:09.000 You guys get it.

00:03:10.000 They get it in Missouri.

00:03:12.000 I'll tell you what.

00:03:12.000 All right, how about?

00:03:13.000 See, when we ask for our governor's cell number, We, um, Born and raised in Chicago, Illinois.

00:03:26.000 Started this whole effort to try to save America and save Western civilization when I was 18 years old.

00:03:32.000 I wanted to get into West Point, didn't get in.

00:03:34.000 It was the best thing that never happened to me.

00:03:36.000 God has a plan for all of us.

00:03:38.000 And I thought I knew what I was doing, and I didn't.

00:03:41.000 And so I started this effort with no money, no connections, no idea what I was doing when I was 18 years old in the suburbs of Chicago.

00:03:48.000 And I felt a need, a deep urge that the people of this nation needed to wake up, especially students and young people.

00:03:56.000 I felt that we were given this incredible constitutional republic and we were making decisions, self inflicted decisions, to turn this country away from righteousness and towards decay and despair.

00:04:08.000 And again, it was a clumsy first couple of years starting at Turning Point USA.

00:04:13.000 It's amazing support along the way.

00:04:15.000 The Lord really had his hand on this organization and has had his hand on this organization all along.

00:04:21.000 And 10 years later, we are now the nation's premier organization for young people.

00:04:27.000 Pursuing and defending American values on high school and college campuses across the country.

00:04:33.000 And You know, a little bit, I do three podcasts a day, a couple hours of radio a day.

00:04:40.000 I traveled 330 days last year all across the country.

00:04:43.000 I've been over all 50 states twice over.

00:04:46.000 I have difficulty sitting still.

00:04:48.000 So, this is like my third or fourth event today.

00:04:50.000 I love it.

00:04:51.000 I'm the most blessed person on the planet because I get to do what I love and know it makes a difference.

00:04:56.000 I really am incredibly blessed in what I get to do.

00:05:00.000 And what kind of brings us here was an unexpected detour that has now turned into one of the great blessings in my life.

00:05:06.000 I was a Christian my whole life.

00:05:07.000 I don't have one of those stories where you say, you know, I walked away from the Lord, I came back.

00:05:11.000 That's actually not my journey.

00:05:12.000 I know some of you can resonate more with me, and you'll hear everyone's testimony different.

00:05:15.000 I never doubted God.

00:05:16.000 I never had one of those things where I looked up to God and said, Are you actually there?

00:05:20.000 That was never my story.

00:05:22.000 At certain times in my life, I had more enthusiasm and energy than others.

00:05:26.000 I think we can all sympathize with that.

00:05:27.000 But I was always told something growing up that, Charlie, that politics thing is fine, but you better not bring it towards the church.

00:05:34.000 You keep those two things separate.

00:05:35.000 And I was fine.

00:05:36.000 I was like, okay, no problem.

00:05:37.000 I grew up in a Bible believing, Bible based church in the suburbs of Chicago where it was expositional, verse by verse, chapter by chapter, deep into the Word.

00:05:46.000 I believe in the inerrancy of Scripture, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.

00:05:50.000 I'm unafraid to espouse that on college campuses, high school campuses, podcasts, and radio.

00:05:55.000 And I was doing that for the first eight years of Turning Point USA, but I was always told, hey, there's got to be this dividing line.

00:06:02.000 Don't cross that line.

00:06:03.000 And then my life really changed, and my premise was challenged.

00:06:08.000 When a pastor in California spoke at an event right before me, my now pastor, Pastor Rob McCoy, and he talked about how the two are actually never supposed to be separate.

00:06:18.000 That these are questions of morality, of truth, about what is good, what is true, what is beautiful.

00:06:24.000 Like Philippians 4 8, that says, whatever is right, whatever is good, whatever is true, whatever is praiseworthy, think on these things.

00:06:31.000 That's Paul writing.

00:06:32.000 And tonight we're going to think about these things.

00:06:33.000 We're going to live out Philippians 4 8 tonight.

00:06:35.000 We're going to think about the things that are true and praiseworthy and what things are not true and praiseworthy.

00:06:41.000 And he really challenged me because I was under this assumption that America might have had some Christian roots at one point, but it basically was always a secular nation.

00:06:52.000 And I didn't believe it as bluntly as that, but I definitely had some of those talking points beat into me, all the while being a Christian and being a constitutionalist.

00:07:01.000 And I couldn't have been more wrong.

00:07:03.000 The deeper I dove into our nation's history, I realized that 55 out of 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence were Bible believing, church attending Christians.

00:07:12.000 I realized that the Constitution is a divinely inspired document that espouses biblical principles of consent to the governed and separation of powers and the independent judiciary.

00:07:21.000 I realized how exceptional America was from the beginning because of the problem America sought to solve.

00:07:26.000 And then I realized that it was the church that didn't just inspire, it was the church that was the reason why America was founded in the first place.

00:07:33.000 And so that rocked my world.

00:07:38.000 I grew up in a world where you didn't say that at church, where you get kind of uncomfortable, you start sitting around, like, what is the pastor saying if they're doing that, right?

00:07:46.000 And I really went into a time of prayer and reflection and eventually repentance.

00:07:51.000 Because I asked God for forgiveness why I didn't actually push this forward the first eight years at Turning Point USA of everything I was doing.

00:07:58.000 All the while, I was never turning my back on the Lord, but I was trying to be like, oh, that's not the place, not the time, place, or manner.

00:08:03.000 And then 2020 hit.

00:08:06.000 We locked down the church.

00:08:07.000 We decided it was non essential, one of the worst mistakes our civilization ever made.

00:08:12.000 And we'll get into that tonight, trust me, in detail.

00:08:16.000 And I started to speak at more churches across the country.

00:08:19.000 And pastors were asking me for advice, me for advice, on how to talk about CRT.

00:08:24.000 Asked me, what is this wokeism thing, Charlie?

00:08:26.000 Should we ever comment on this stuff?

00:08:28.000 And I found that more and more pastors were desiring to speak righteousness into their community and into their congregation.

00:08:37.000 And so you asked, who is Charlie Kirk?

00:08:39.000 First and foremost, a Christian, saved by Jesus Christ.

00:08:42.000 My husband, amazing wife, got married just about a year ago, which I, when you meet my wife, you'll realize I'm the luckiest person.

00:08:49.000 I totally outkicked my coverage.

00:08:51.000 I, way under, under, under, well, let's just say I'm not qualified for that whole deal when you meet my wife.

00:08:59.000 She's amazing.

00:09:00.000 And I'm a patriot, unapologetic.

00:09:02.000 I love my country.

00:09:03.000 But I want to make sure that this is very clear.

00:09:07.000 Look, we as Christians, we believe in hierarchies, hierarchies of order, hierarchies of beauty, hierarchies.

00:09:12.000 The most important thing in my life is Jesus Christ.

00:09:14.000 That will never change.

00:09:16.000 And this is a very important thing.

00:09:17.000 The church should never get that hierarchy mixed up.

00:09:20.000 And we'll talk about tonight how to properly communicate that, where it comes involved in the church.

00:09:25.000 But if you remain silent on the issues of patriotism and civic engagement, oh, that doesn't matter.

00:09:31.000 Well, then we're all going to have to open prison ministries, everybody, because we'll be sharing the gospel from somewhere that is not as nice as this room right now.

00:09:38.000 That's not an exaggeration.

00:09:39.000 We can go through examples of that.

00:09:40.000 So that's who I am, and that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

00:09:45.000 We like the story.

00:09:49.000 So, just to clarify then, so you have Turning Point that is focused mostly for like colleges and high schools.

00:09:56.000 But then a couple years ago or however long ago, this faith kind of lag, right?

00:10:01.000 To where you're focused in mobilizing churches.

00:10:04.000 So, give us some hope.

00:10:06.000 Like, are you seeing the church begin to wake up and not be afraid to speak into these issues?

00:10:12.000 I am.

00:10:12.000 And so, yeah, look, all the different components of Turning Point USA seek to accomplish the same thing in different ways.

00:10:19.000 We want to set the captives free.

00:10:21.000 God does not want his people to live under tyranny.

00:10:23.000 He doesn't want people to live under tyranny eternally or here on earth.

00:10:26.000 It's not his wish for his people.

00:10:28.000 It's why he delivered people from Egypt.

00:10:30.000 It's why he delivered his chosen people every single time from slavery and serfdom.

00:10:33.000 It's why he sent his son, Jesus Christ.

00:10:35.000 He wants us to be free.

00:10:36.000 That's why I'm living, that's why I'm wearing the shirt right now live free.

00:10:40.000 It's God's wish for you to live free free from sin, free from bondage, free from guilt.

00:10:44.000 And yes, free from authoritarianism and petty tyranny that tells you what to do with your life when it gets in complete contradiction with your values.

00:10:51.000 God's wish for his people is for you to live free.

00:10:54.000 And so, yeah, to answer your question, at Turning Point USA, we started as high school and college campuses.

00:10:59.000 That is growing like you wouldn't believe.

00:11:01.000 More and more young people are attending our events.

00:11:03.000 They're starting chapters all around this quest for liberty, which is harmonic, by the way.

00:11:08.000 It is completely alongside and parallel with what we're doing here tonight.

00:11:12.000 We're trying to talk about liberty, and we're going to talk about it through a strictly biblical lens.

00:11:16.000 But it's the same sort of thing when a college kid shows up at one of my events, either at the University of Arkansas, which we just did a couple nights ago, or Auburn, where we just did an event a couple nights ago.

00:11:26.000 And these kids are searching, they're looking.

00:11:27.000 They're looking to see it.

00:11:28.000 Is there a natural law out there?

00:11:30.000 Is there any sort of rhythm to the cosmos?

00:11:33.000 Because they've been told there isn't.

00:11:34.000 They've been told that there is no God and there is no meaning, there is no love, there is no beauty.

00:11:38.000 So, all of us tonight have two things in common.

00:11:41.000 Every single person here tonight agrees with these two things there is a God and you are not Him.

00:11:50.000 Now, the importance of those two things is that the predominant view on most college campuses is that they believe there is no God and if there was one, I would be Him.

00:12:01.000 Very dangerous things happen at that moment.

00:12:02.000 So, we started this program, TPUSA Face, back in August.

00:12:07.000 And look, I'm an entrepreneur.

00:12:09.000 If something doesn't work, I'm not going to keep on doing it.

00:12:10.000 There's been plenty of projects in the 10 years of this that I was like, whoa, that doesn't work.

00:12:14.000 Shut that down, right?

00:12:15.000 That's not, doesn't work.

00:12:16.000 I've been blown away since August.

00:12:19.000 We now have a field team across the country that's working with pastors, working with churches.

00:12:22.000 And the success, the momentum, the curiosity, the interest of churches that otherwise would have been on the sidelines, they don't want to say, hey, I want to do that biblical citizenship class.

00:12:30.000 Or they might reach out to us and say, Hey, Charlie, do you have a pastor summit coming up, which we do, coming in August, where we're going to have pastors from all across the country come to our summit and hopefully empower them and equip them with the information and just encouragement in general to keep on speaking out on this.

00:12:45.000 But I'll tell you, there are so many churches that are now speaking openly about these issues and about what's happening here.

00:12:52.000 And I feel just, we're calling this entire calendar year the rise of the citizen.

00:12:57.000 We are seeing regular, normal, everyday people that otherwise would have just been either complacent.

00:13:04.000 Or they would have been apathetic.

00:13:05.000 They're starting to break out of their mold and they're starting to challenge authority and tyranny and reclaim what is rightfully theirs.

00:13:12.000 And it all starts with the church.

00:13:16.000 Now, I'm sure there's several pastors in the room or viewing online, and I just want to stay here for a little bit longer.

00:13:23.000 This idea of the separation of church and state.

00:13:26.000 We found ourselves on the front page of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch a few weeks ago for influencing, dare to influencing the school board elections, which, by the way, are Tuesday, if I didn't mention that earlier.

00:13:38.000 Tuesday, we're all voting in St. Louis County and St. Charles County.

00:13:43.000 But you've got a few examples out there of, I know from Jack Hibbs Church, Rob McCoy's Church, of really this idea of having our 501 revoked or all of this stuff.

00:13:55.000 Just speak into that just a little bit more.

00:13:56.000 Yeah, let's first start on this line separation of church and state.

00:13:59.000 It's okay if you believe that's in the Constitution.

00:14:01.000 I did too.

00:14:02.000 And then I read the Constitution and my head was spinning.

00:14:04.000 I realized it's not in here.

00:14:06.000 So then I read the Federalist Papers, not in there either.

00:14:08.000 Read the Declaration of Independence, not there either.

00:14:10.000 It's like, where did this thing come from?

00:14:12.000 So the separation of church and state was referenced once by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptist Convention, taken out of context, then re referenced in a Supreme Court decision in the 1960s.

00:14:22.000 I think it was either the Warren or the Burger Court.

00:14:24.000 That said, there must be this wall between the church and the state.

00:14:27.000 So let's just take that at face value for a second.

00:14:29.000 Let's pretend it is right, it is the law of the land.

00:14:32.000 Okay, let's pretend that is what governs us.

00:14:35.000 Well, then hold on, let's keep the state out of the church.

00:14:39.000 Wait, hold on.

00:14:42.000 Why is it that they can tell the church when they could do Easter or not?

00:14:46.000 Why is it they could tell the church whether or not you need to wear a mask when you go to worship?

00:14:49.000 Why were they able to shut down hundreds of thousands of churches across the country?

00:14:53.000 I thought they were separate.

00:14:54.000 No, no, no.

00:14:55.000 They always meant the separation to be a one way separation.

00:14:58.000 They always meant that the state could do whatever they want to the church, but the church better not question the state.

00:15:02.000 It was an unconstitutional, immoral, and I believe a tactic of the enemy to try to keep the church submissive.

00:15:10.000 And wrongly so.

00:15:12.000 And so the country was founded by churches being in the public square.

00:15:17.000 It was saved many times by churches in the public square in the 1820s, the 1860s, the 1950s, the 1980s.

00:15:24.000 And so there is this fear that the church must remain completely and totally silent.

00:15:29.000 So there's a spectrum, right?

00:15:30.000 So you could be as cavalier as Jack Kibbs and Rob McCoy.

00:15:33.000 So Jack Kibbs, God bless him, he will endorse candidates from on stage, he will record it, and then mail the recordings to the Internal Revenue Service asking them whether or not they want to make a judgment against his church.

00:15:45.000 Now, that's a 10, okay?

00:15:50.000 I'm not even recommending it.

00:15:52.000 I'm just letting you know the spectrum out there, okay?

00:15:56.000 Now, you could kind of do a middle ground where the pastor says, These are my personal opinions, not that of the church, and we're going to tell you what the Bible says.

00:16:02.000 It's perfectly fine under the IRS code to do that, by the way.

00:16:05.000 That is safe harbor no matter what.

00:16:08.000 Or you could just even do something even more vanilla and say, I'm just going to tell you word for word what the word of God says about the 10 biggest issues happening.

00:16:15.000 I'm not even going to mention the election.

00:16:18.000 That is 100% safe harbor, okay, no matter what.

00:16:21.000 So there really is no legal excuse as to why to not do it.

00:16:25.000 We must understand the enforcement mechanism is the Johnson Amendment, what was put forward by Lyndon Baines Johnson to try to shut up a pastor he didn't like in Houston, Texas, for the sole purpose of trying to make the church uninterested and not involved in this.

00:16:38.000 But let's play this out for just a second.

00:16:40.000 I think it's important to just take the threat at face value.

00:16:44.000 So let's say that the church were to lose its tax exempt status.

00:16:47.000 The question is would that momentary earthly penalty?

00:16:50.000 Be worth pursuing righteousness?

00:16:52.000 Of course it is.

00:16:54.000 So, the question is, you're afraid of losing a government certificate because you'll only say what is true if the government certificate will remain intact.

00:17:03.000 That's a bad reason to do anything, by the way.

00:17:06.000 Now, I'm not saying be imprudent.

00:17:10.000 You don't have to be the one who's leading the charge.

00:17:15.000 And by the way, by doing so, he's also creating space for other churches to be able to do a little bit less to use that as a reference point.

00:17:23.000 And he does it publicly and enthusiastically.

00:17:25.000 He says, Charlie, they could take away my tax exempt status tomorrow.

00:17:28.000 We'll just open up an LLC.

00:17:29.000 We'll keep the books open to our congregation.

00:17:31.000 We have backup plans for all this stuff.

00:17:32.000 Now, I'm not saying that's what you should do.

00:17:34.000 I'm not.

00:17:35.000 You have real estate stewards of buildings, legacy gifts.

00:17:38.000 I get all that stuff.

00:17:38.000 But I think there needs to be a question of are you preserving a business model or are you trying to pursue righteousness?

00:17:47.000 That's an interesting question, right?

00:17:49.000 And every church board needs to pray on that and fast on that and reflect on that.

00:17:53.000 But understand the spirit of fear is not what Jesus has given us.

00:17:57.000 And so if we are operating every decision under the spirit of fear, Well, they might send a letter and they might do this.

00:18:03.000 All of that, we live under a regime that kicks down doors of journalists they don't like.

00:18:03.000 You're right.

00:18:09.000 We live under a regime that calls moms and dads that show up to school board meetings domestic terrorists.

00:18:15.000 So, look, the freight train's coming, everybody.

00:18:18.000 And I call some of these people, it's kind of like wildebeest Christians.

00:18:25.000 It's like they're walking around and they're like, well, we didn't get eaten today.

00:18:29.000 And it's like, at least it's not us.

00:18:32.000 Look, we know what's happening here, right?

00:18:34.000 It's coming very quickly.

00:18:35.000 And the only thing that could stop it is courageous and passionate Christians proclaiming truth from the bottom up.

00:18:42.000 If you feel like you're losing your civilization or losing your country, you're right.

00:18:47.000 It is going in the wrong direction.

00:18:48.000 I see some a lot of positives.

00:18:50.000 We can get into those.

00:18:51.000 But the only solution is you, the only solution is the church.

00:18:54.000 That's why they've done everything they possibly can to try to make you afraid, silent, and submissive.

00:18:54.000 They know that.

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00:20:53.000 I really want us to turn this issue into an issue of prayer.

00:20:56.000 You know, we have several prayer meetings a week here, and we're praying just for the pulpits of our city to be bold, to be bold and courageous.

00:21:04.000 Okay, I don't know what direction you want to go.

00:21:06.000 I have several.

00:21:06.000 Go ahead.

00:21:07.000 So politics is also seemingly incredibly moral issues in the day.

00:21:13.000 So if we don't speak up for the sake of the standard of morality, then it seems as if the political land is trying to establish what morality is for us.

00:21:24.000 So we have to engage these waters.

00:21:26.000 And is that an exaggeration?

00:21:28.000 No, and so this is an open question, and this is fine, and you should ask yourself that question.

00:21:33.000 Does the Bible say anything about us caring about our government?

00:21:37.000 And the answer is, of course.

00:21:38.000 Jeremiah 29 7, the Lord is speaking to his people, where he's saying directly, You must demand the welfare, the shalom, of the city or the nation that you are in, because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.

00:21:50.000 So let's ask ourselves the question Is that true?

00:21:53.000 Is your welfare tied to your nation's welfare?

00:21:55.000 Of course it is.

00:21:56.000 Pastors are being arrested in Canada for having church.

00:21:59.000 It's a real thing, it's happening right now.

00:22:01.000 If you don't have good government and you stop caring about your government, your welfare will be impacted.

00:22:06.000 That's the Lord speaking to his chosen people in Jeremiah 29 7.

00:22:10.000 It's about the narrative of the Old Testament.

00:22:12.000 Do we have any examples of people trying to influence secular government for God's chosen purpose?

00:22:17.000 Esther, Mordecai, Nehemiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, just to name a few.

00:22:20.000 In fact, we have a pattern.

00:22:22.000 We have more than one person.

00:22:24.000 That fasted and prayed for the nation that they were in, Daniel being one of the most vivid examples of that.

00:22:29.000 So the question is, what is politics?

00:22:30.000 We have an association with something that is messy.

00:22:33.000 Well, everything that human beings touch is messy, the church included.

00:22:37.000 We are fallen beings, predisposed to sin.

00:22:40.000 Everything we touch will be messed up in one way, shape, or the other, including politics.

00:22:45.000 The question is, should we try to pursue a better politics, a better form of government?

00:22:49.000 So some Christians say, Charlie, all forms of governments are the same.

00:22:52.000 How unwise to say such a thing.

00:22:55.000 To say that our form of government is the same as North Korea's, the same as China's, the same as Iran.

00:23:00.000 Do you know the history of humanity?

00:23:03.000 More people live under the reign of the few than of the many.

00:23:06.000 We have a brief opportunity where we, the many, get to rule the few.

00:23:10.000 The question is, which is biblical?

00:23:12.000 The answer is, of course, when the many rule the few.

00:23:16.000 We do not believe that leaders are anointed by birth by some sort of birthright.

00:23:20.000 We believe in the sovereignty of the individual.

00:23:22.000 We believe that the collective power that we put forward, as enumerated in Kings and in Leviticus, Is there only because of our consent?

00:23:31.000 That is a very difficult principle to enact into government.

00:23:34.000 And let me tell you why.

00:23:36.000 The Bible answers the most important question.

00:23:38.000 Because when you ask yourself, what kind of government are we forming?

00:23:40.000 Well, you have to ask yourself, what's the raw material I'm dealing with here?

00:23:44.000 Human beings.

00:23:45.000 Are human beings naturally good or naturally predisposed to sin?

00:23:49.000 This is why I get so enthusiastic when the church finally speaks up against this, and I get so upset when the church remains quiet.

00:23:57.000 If you're not willing to tell your congregation that human beings are predisposed to sin, Then stop being a pastor.

00:24:03.000 It takes like a hundred words to figure out human beings are predisposed to sin in the Bible.

00:24:09.000 Now, why does that matter?

00:24:10.000 Well, because in Federalist 51, Alexander Hamilton writes it beautifully.

00:24:14.000 Or is it James Madison?

00:24:15.000 I'm sorry.

00:24:16.000 In Federalist 51, one of the most important sentences that you should ask any Christian that says, We don't do that around here human nature never changes.

00:24:23.000 I'm paraphrasing.

00:24:25.000 If all men were angels, government would not be necessary.

00:24:28.000 And if angels governed men, none of this would need to happen.

00:24:32.000 The Constitution he's referencing.

00:24:33.000 He's making an indictment of human nature.

00:24:36.000 He's saying, we know what we're dealing with.

00:24:38.000 They're acknowledging the fall.

00:24:40.000 The fall's biblical.

00:24:41.000 We know it.

00:24:42.000 We know we are sinful creatures.

00:24:44.000 And yet, half the country believes that human beings are naturally good.

00:24:48.000 This is one of the most important questions in our society right now, by the way.

00:24:52.000 We believe human beings are naturally bad.

00:24:54.000 So, therefore, if you believe human beings are naturally sinful let's not use that word bad, let's just say sinful then what's the most important thing you can do?

00:25:03.000 Prevent the sinful people from having power over everybody.

00:25:06.000 That's logical, right?

00:25:08.000 Prevent the sinful people from having absolute power over everyone.

00:25:12.000 So, this is a great thought exercise to use a third grader or a fourth grader.

00:25:15.000 Highly rational, and it works.

00:25:17.000 What's the worst thing a human being can do?

00:25:19.000 And they'll say, Murder.

00:25:20.000 Say, That's bad.

00:25:22.000 What else?

00:25:23.000 And they'll go on stealing and all that.

00:25:24.000 No, no, no.

00:25:25.000 The worst thing you could do is institute murder for everybody.

00:25:30.000 It's bad enough to murder one person, it's another thing to institutionalize it.

00:25:34.000 Now, even worse than this, one of the Ten Commandments exhibits this explicitly.

00:25:38.000 Now, we read this wrong because we don't go to the original Hebrew.

00:25:41.000 The original Hebrew we would say is, do not say the Lord's name in vain.

00:25:46.000 That's not what the Hebrew says.

00:25:47.000 It says, do not carry the Lord's name in vain.

00:25:51.000 What does that mean?

00:25:52.000 Do not do evil in the name of the Lord.

00:25:54.000 So do not do evil things while saying you are doing it in the name of God.

00:25:58.000 So it goes to another question Do human beings naturally want to be free?

00:26:03.000 I used to say yes, and I was wrong.

00:26:06.000 The Bible answers that question for us though.

00:26:08.000 When God delivered his chosen people out of Egypt, he didn't want them in serfdom, he didn't want them in slavery, and brought them to freedom.

00:26:16.000 Amazing miracles parted the Red Sea.

00:26:18.000 Moses does the incredible.

00:26:20.000 How do the people of Israel act?

00:26:23.000 Well, after a couple of chapters, despite the fact that quail was blown off course and manna came from heaven, the people of Israel started to complain.

00:26:32.000 And they said, Who's this Moses guy anyway?

00:26:34.000 And I'm paraphrasing, but I'm not far off.

00:26:37.000 And they say, We want to go back to Egypt, slavery, because at least there we ate meat.

00:26:46.000 People don't want to be free.

00:26:47.000 Some people want to be free, specifically people that are born free and new by Jesus Christ.

00:26:52.000 We demand freedom more in our life because we're free eternally and spiritually, but most human beings don't desire freedom.

00:26:58.000 So, what you're living through in this system right now is so rare, it's so unique, it's so exceptional, and it's fragile.

00:27:06.000 Because right now, we're living through the Israelites in the wilderness desert.

00:27:11.000 Who's this guy in office?

00:27:12.000 I want the stimulus check.

00:27:16.000 Who's this guy in office?

00:27:17.000 Just shut everyone down, make them wear a mask, and force the vaccine.

00:27:22.000 It's human nature, and we have to fight that.

00:27:24.000 In fact, it takes effort to fight that human nature.

00:27:27.000 If we just indulged in the flesh and indulge our human nature, we'd sit at home all day and do nothing.

00:27:32.000 It takes effort to do the other, and guess what?

00:27:34.000 It's only the Christian, it's only the Bible that will show the secular lost world how to fight that fleshly nature.

00:27:42.000 And I'm starting to see more and more Christians start to do that.

00:27:45.000 And when churches remain silent on that, just on the issue do you think human beings want to be free?

00:27:51.000 Do you believe that human beings are naturally good or bad?

00:27:54.000 That's it.

00:27:54.000 That's not a political sermon.

00:27:56.000 But informing your congregation correctly on that will create a better citizen no matter what.

00:28:01.000 And yet they remain silent on that.

00:28:03.000 Or maybe they haven't thought that deeply about it, but the proper answers to those questions will all of a sudden answer all your political questions correctly.

00:28:13.000 Yeah, I feel convicted.

00:28:14.000 I feel that we have to.

00:28:15.000 No, I really do.

00:28:16.000 I feel like we have to, as teachers, as Sunday school teachers, as moms and dads discipling our kids, we have to get in the game.

00:28:26.000 Let's talk about education for a second.

00:28:28.000 You know, we do have school board elections coming up on Tuesday, and you're spending time on high schools, because, you know, I get feedback from my friends like, no, no, no, no, this is exaggerated.

00:28:38.000 It's not that bad.

00:28:39.000 There is not perversion.

00:28:41.000 That's not happening.

00:28:43.000 But I think you have a different opinion.

00:28:45.000 What you're seeing in high school and even at the university level, I mean, this framework, this worldview has to start somewhere.

00:28:54.000 So, where is this happening?

00:28:55.000 So, that's a phenomenal question.

00:28:57.000 I have a slightly different take.

00:28:58.000 I think it's being underreported and so misunderstood.

00:29:03.000 So, let's start with one component of this.

00:29:06.000 And I'm going to take a little pivot from education and go to something that is in the open, that's universal, and that probably half this room, willingly or unwillingly, is subsidizing.

00:29:17.000 Okay?

00:29:18.000 And that's the Walt Disney Company.

00:29:20.000 Okay?

00:29:21.000 Let's just start there.

00:29:22.000 Easy now.

00:29:23.000 You're starting to step on us now.

00:29:24.000 Easy.

00:29:25.000 Let's start there.

00:29:27.000 If you are unaware of what's happening at Disney, we're gonna go through that.

00:29:30.000 Okay?

00:29:31.000 So that's a form of education, by the way.

00:29:34.000 Your children are learning values and morals and right and wrong more from watching Disney Plus than probably at school for the first five years of their life.

00:29:43.000 So, Disney's a $250 billion company.

00:29:46.000 Disney has benefited tremendously through corporate carve outs, loopholes.

00:29:51.000 They have, I think, 15 million families subscribed to Disney Plus.

00:29:55.000 And I'm sure some families in here, I'm not trying to make you feel bad.

00:29:57.000 I'm not.

00:29:58.000 We're all victims to getting Netflix subscriptions, all that.

00:30:00.000 I'm going to challenge you to stop doing that tonight.

00:30:02.000 I will.

00:30:03.000 We're going to walk through why.

00:30:04.000 So, Disney decided to come out against a very vanilla, Very mainstream bill in Florida where Governor Ron DeSantis, God bless his courage, decided to seriously, decided to sign a piece of legislation that was wrongly labeled the Don't Say Gay bill.

00:30:26.000 Doesn't say that in the law at all.

00:30:29.000 Very simple piece of legislation that says basically that parents should be able to know their children's medical records and history, and that five, six, and seven, and eight year olds should not be taught about gay or lesbian sex in schools.

00:30:42.000 Okay?

00:30:42.000 Pretty simple.

00:30:43.000 I don't think this is something that should be wildly controversial.

00:30:47.000 In fact, I went a step further to say that all sexual matters should be left to the parents until at least 12 years old.

00:30:52.000 Okay?

00:30:52.000 So, very simple, right?

00:30:55.000 And the media lost their mind.

00:30:59.000 We expected that, right?

00:31:00.000 All these different groups lost their mind.

00:31:02.000 But then, out of nowhere, because Disney World is the number one employer in Florida, 68,000 employees, they thought they could flex their muscle.

00:31:12.000 So, I want you guys to play along here with a thought exercise.

00:31:15.000 I want you to imagine if Anheuser-Busch decided to try to kill a bill here in Missouri.

00:31:18.000 It's a big deal, right?

00:31:20.000 They have a lot of clout here.

00:31:23.000 That's the equivalent of what happens if Disney decides to speak out in Florida.

00:31:27.000 So, the courage it takes to stand up against Disney is the same as standing up to Wall Street in New York or standing up to the oil companies in Texas.

00:31:34.000 You get the analogy, right?

00:31:36.000 It is a big employer.

00:31:37.000 But Disney, for whatever bizarre reason, run by this new CEO, Bob Chappick, Decided to play into the most insane allegations around this thing, dedicate $5 million to the Human Rights Campaign, which is nothing more than a hate group, and say they're gonna do everything they possibly can to repeal this bill.

00:31:56.000 And it went even further than that.

00:31:57.000 That's just the first step.

00:31:58.000 Wait till you hear Saga 2, 3, and 4 of this whole thing.

00:32:01.000 So Ron DeSantis doesn't care.

00:32:03.000 He's not in the mold of kind of these other weak knee politicians, signs it in the law, God bless him, and says, What are you gonna do?

00:32:08.000 Right?

00:32:08.000 Everyone already hates me on that side anyway, and kind of holds the line.

00:32:11.000 But then all of a sudden, you started to see Disney employee walkouts.

00:32:15.000 You saw all these sort of protests.

00:32:16.000 And so I watched a couple videos of these Disney employee walkouts.

00:32:20.000 So I'm gonna make a generalization and it's an open question.

00:32:23.000 And I want an answer to the question How many Disney employees that are protesting this have families?

00:32:29.000 Probably very few.

00:32:31.000 So you have the people creating the content protesting against this, that probably a lot of them don't have families.

00:32:36.000 You see them, they're late 20s, early 30s somethings.

00:32:39.000 They have a significant homosexual population of people that work for Disney Company.

00:32:44.000 They're in the arts, whatever.

00:32:45.000 That's not even a criticism, it's just a fact, okay?

00:32:48.000 And so they lose their mind because they believe the media narrative.

00:32:51.000 So then Disney realizes that they need to even compensate for this more.

00:32:56.000 So they have a Zoom call five days ago.

00:32:58.000 You might not have heard about this, where in the Zoom call, They said, with all their executives, they have a not so secret gay agenda that they're pushing forward at Walt Disney Company.

00:33:09.000 Here's a couple facts of what's happening at Disney.

00:33:11.000 By the end of this year, 50% of all of their movies will have lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender characters.

00:33:18.000 And if there's romantic scenes involved, there'll be gay and lesbian kissing.

00:33:21.000 Now, what is with this weird and perverse obsession with corrupting children?

00:33:26.000 Answer They always want to try to break the bonds of children from their parents and from their country.

00:33:33.000 That's the answer.

00:33:35.000 They understand that if they can, and by the way, this is biblical.

00:33:39.000 What is the only one of the Ten Commandments that comes with a promise and involves your country?

00:33:44.000 Honor your mother and father so you might live long in the land of which you are in.

00:33:48.000 You want your country to live?

00:33:49.000 Make sure your children honor their parents.

00:33:52.000 Very simple.

00:33:52.000 So Disney understands if they can break that bond, if they can interrupt that flow of values, they're going to run the country.

00:34:00.000 Now, regardless of your politics tonight, I'm sure we have people all across the board.

00:34:03.000 I think it's fair to say.

00:34:05.000 That Disney Plus, a $250 billion company, espousing that they have a not so secret gay agenda, saying they want more like transgender Cinderellas or whatever, that's a step too far for all of us.

00:34:17.000 And I'm just kind of hitting the surface.

00:34:19.000 There are other things they're doing.

00:34:20.000 They're no longer going to be calling people in movies boys and girls, but they're going to have the proper pronouns.

00:34:24.000 They're no longer saying at Disney World, boys and girls welcome to Disney World.

00:34:28.000 They're going to say welcome the persons to Disney World.

00:34:31.000 They're not taking a stance on whether or not women can become pregnant.

00:34:33.000 They say they're birthing people at Walt Disney Company.

00:34:36.000 They're saying that anyone can become pregnant.

00:34:38.000 This is all things that Disney is doing.

00:34:40.000 And what's so amazing, and this is something I'm gonna be pushing this hard, right?

00:34:45.000 Because Disney, I believe, this is a great opportunity.

00:34:48.000 I haven't seen one like this in a long time, where they got rich being the family friendly company.

00:34:55.000 They got rich being the family friendly safe haven.

00:34:58.000 So now, if they wanna be kind of the safe haven for all of these incredibly controversial and, dare I say, like perverse ideology for five, six, and seven year olds, Then they're going to have to respond to when 75 to 80 million or 90 million people refuse to buy their products, go to their amusement parks, and their streaming services.

00:35:22.000 And so you asked about education.

00:35:27.000 So if anyone thinks it's not that big of a deal, just walk them through that Disney example I just did.

00:35:33.000 Okay?

00:35:33.000 Just walk them through that.

00:35:34.000 So, how bad is it in the education space?

00:35:36.000 Depends where you are.

00:35:38.000 Before you go, we got to make sure I heard what you said because you said something very powerful about Disney.

00:35:44.000 And it is a form of education that is absolutely establishing a narrative in our kids at a very young age.

00:35:52.000 I mean, just as parents, I got four kids, 14 down to seven.

00:35:56.000 And I'm just thinking, okay, how many times, you know, just for the sake of time, oh, man, you'll put this movie on on the tablet, put that on the tablet, put this DVD on in the car.

00:36:04.000 And we need to get convicted.

00:36:06.000 There needs to be, not, because I'm not, I don't rue haul around it so much in the cancel culture part, but we're going to cancel them because they're doing this.

00:36:13.000 What stung me was you said, no, no, no, this is about pushing back on what is seeking to educate my kids.

00:36:20.000 That's exactly right.

00:36:21.000 And so education comes from a Latin word, which means to lead forth.

00:36:25.000 And you want to lead your child forth to righteousness and to truth and to light.

00:36:28.000 And to Jesus, and just ask yourself the question is 50% of movies Disney publishing with lesbian and gay kissing scenes gonna be closer to getting your five or six or seven or eight year old closer to truth and righteousness?

00:36:41.000 I say no.

00:36:42.000 I think that's wrong.

00:36:43.000 I think there's something really perverted with that.

00:36:45.000 I also think the obsession of trying to push that on children is a whole different level that I can't quite explain.

00:36:51.000 And you're right, and I've said this for a while, and I'm glad you brought that up because I need to reinforce this more, which is because of the hyper technological society.

00:36:59.000 And less children playing outside than ever before, which I think is a tragedy.

00:37:02.000 We used to just go outside, I know, like 15 years ago when I was a kid.

00:37:05.000 I know, things have changed so quickly.

00:37:08.000 We just went, we had imaginations, and now these kids are staring at these screens all day long.

00:37:12.000 It's doing such damage to our children.

00:37:13.000 It really is.

00:37:14.000 It's so sad to see.

00:37:16.000 But look, the teacher, when it's not the teacher in school, when it's not you as the homeschooling, it's the teacher on the tablet.

00:37:23.000 And Disney has been bragging in their shareholder meetings that they are the leader in family centered programming.

00:37:29.000 They're making money off of you.

00:37:32.000 And now they think they have such a monopoly on this that they'll be able to push their incredibly controversial and, I believe, degenerative agenda on a seven, eight, and nine year old.

00:37:43.000 And I don't think we should really be shy about talking about divesting from it and doing that.

00:37:49.000 But yes, it is a form of education.

00:37:51.000 And there are other alternatives there are peer flicks, there are all sorts of different things you could do.

00:37:56.000 And I'm happy to go into the Daily Wire's coming out with a new child programming thing.

00:38:01.000 There are a lot of different ones.

00:38:02.000 Prager, you do some stuff.

00:38:03.000 With some children programming.

00:38:05.000 We're starting to get into it at Turning Point USA.

00:38:07.000 There's other alternatives to Disney.

00:38:10.000 And so, but the Disney thing aside, you asked how bad is it in education in general?

00:38:16.000 That's a universal one that impacts everybody.

00:38:19.000 It's really bad in public schools across the country.

00:38:21.000 It's really bad in private schools, largely because of the accreditation agencies.

00:38:25.000 The National Association of Independent Schools has highly corrupted our private schools, including a lot of our Christian schools.

00:38:30.000 And what do I mean by bad?

00:38:32.000 I mean that they're being taught diversity, equity, inclusion from critical race theory, from CRT.

00:38:37.000 We are teaching five and six and seven and eight year olds that race matters, that skin color is important.

00:38:42.000 That creates little racists, is what it does.

00:38:44.000 It does not create people to care about the character.

00:38:47.000 Here's a couple universal principles that we as Christians believe, and we should be unafraid to talk about them in any setting whatsoever.

00:38:54.000 We care more about the invisible than the visible, and we care more about what you can change than you cannot change.

00:38:59.000 Those are two things we care about.

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00:40:18.000 So I care about things you can't see.

00:40:20.000 What are those?

00:40:21.000 When someone walks in the room, I care more about what I can't tell at a moment's notice.

00:40:26.000 I want to get to know the person, and you should too.

00:40:28.000 Not to, oh, I got them all figured out.

00:40:30.000 They're white, so they have privilege.

00:40:31.000 What a sloppy argument, by the way.

00:40:33.000 Like, really?

00:40:34.000 Like, that's it?

00:40:35.000 Like, your worth, like, your currency is that?

00:40:37.000 Like, no, I want to know about you.

00:40:38.000 Like, have you given your life to the Lord?

00:40:39.000 Like, what are you struggling with?

00:40:40.000 No, instead it's like, nope, got you totally profiled.

00:40:42.000 That's sloppy.

00:40:43.000 Something the enemy would do, actually.

00:40:45.000 The second thing is, we care more about things you can change and you can't change.

00:40:48.000 Do we care about how the things that happened prior that can't be changed or the story of, hey, I want to give my life to Christ?

00:40:55.000 That's the whole program of being a Christian, isn't it?

00:40:58.000 So the question is if we had someone that came in and they're like, hey, I need help, would we fixate endlessly on everything they've done wrong?

00:41:06.000 Like keep on reminding them every single week, you're a drug addict.

00:41:07.000 You're a drug addict.

00:41:10.000 You know you're a drug addict.

00:41:11.000 You know that you're a drug addict.

00:41:12.000 It's kind of depressing.

00:41:13.000 In fact, they'd walk away.

00:41:14.000 No, we tell them you have redemption.

00:41:15.000 You could break free of that sin.

00:41:16.000 In fact, our whole, the entire promise of Christianity, which is true by the way, is that you don't have to be who you were.

00:41:24.000 It's unbelievable, right?

00:41:26.000 And so, but instead, diversity, equity, inclusion, and all this stuff, it's built on a structure to hyper focus on the things you can't change.

00:41:37.000 It's like, okay, we're just going to talk endlessly on what your ancestors, who may or may not have been related to you, did.

00:41:43.000 And in fact, the way we even talk about the history is wrong, and we're going to make you feel guilty and ashamed.

00:41:48.000 So here's another good rule for life.

00:41:50.000 Any organization that makes you feel guilty after the speech is over should be abolished.

00:41:56.000 I want you to think about that.

00:41:58.000 Christianity is the opposite of making you feel guilty.

00:42:01.000 After a good sermon, you feel free, you feel redeemed.

00:42:04.000 Only Satan makes you feel guilty.

00:42:07.000 Jesus doesn't make you feel guilty.

00:42:09.000 And yet, the entire white privilege CRT regime is I have to go feel guilty for the rest of my life because I've had like unrealized racism.

00:42:18.000 Now, let me be very clear if you are a racist or have racial racist tendencies, you got work to do, you got a lot of apologizing to do.

00:42:24.000 But just the melanin content in your skin, your mere existence, does not mean you've been expressing.

00:42:29.000 You know, this white supremacist superstructure.

00:42:32.000 And so, this is all throughout our educational system.

00:42:34.000 It's all throughout our college, all throughout education.

00:42:37.000 And it's at direct odds with what we as Christians believe.

00:42:39.000 It says, neither slave nor Greek nor Jew.

00:42:41.000 We are all born one in Jesus Christ.

00:42:44.000 And so, this is really personal for me.

00:42:47.000 And the reason I think that, you know, God put me in this moment during all this stuff is I've been like super unafraid as a white Christian, which you're not supposed to, you know, talk about these issues, because I grew up in an America 10 years ago where none of this stuff was a big deal.

00:43:02.000 Where it's like no one talked about race all the time.

00:43:04.000 I went to a high school that was 53% Hispanic, where as white people in my school were like 18% of my school, and we had people from all different walks of life in all countries.

00:43:13.000 We got along with each other.

00:43:13.000 No one talked about race.

00:43:15.000 And if someone said something indelicate or immature, you handled it.

00:43:17.000 You're like, that's not cool, stop it.

00:43:19.000 And that was the end of that.

00:43:20.000 And it's kind of like immaturity, right?

00:43:22.000 What happens when you're 16 or 17?

00:43:24.000 But we had a culture 10 years ago that was built on the promise of Martin Luther King.

00:43:29.000 And now we're doing the opposite.

00:43:31.000 And I got to tell you, this is a virus, to use a term we're all very familiar with.

00:43:35.000 That is infecting every major institution in our country.

00:43:39.000 It's infiltrated a lot of churches, it's infiltrated the military, it's infiltrated corporate America, it's infiltrated Congress.

00:43:45.000 You can call it whatever you want CRT, diversity, equity, inclusion, wokeism, whatever it is.

00:43:49.000 It's wrong.

00:43:50.000 And so, what does it actually mean in practice, right?

00:43:54.000 So, let's take it out of the abstract and into practice, right?

00:44:00.000 So, some people will say, oh, it's just thought exercises, it's going through the philosophical muscles of you trying to realize how terrible a person you are.

00:44:07.000 Okay, let's talk about it in practice.

00:44:08.000 Here are four or five examples.

00:44:10.000 At Columbia University in New York City, they have black only graduation ceremonies.

00:44:16.000 Over 100 universities across the country have black only dormitories.

00:44:20.000 So we should ask ourselves the question didn't we fight to end segregation?

00:44:23.000 But according to Henry Rogers, otherwise known as Iber Mex Kendi, who's kind of like the archbishop of critical race theory, he says that we need segregation today to try to fix segregation from yesterday.

00:44:35.000 Here's a good universal principle, and I will fight on this till I die.

00:44:40.000 Segregation is evil.

00:44:41.000 I don't care who does it, segregation is evil.

00:44:49.000 I'll give you, I could keep on going with more examples.

00:44:51.000 There's a black only high school where white kids are not allowed to apply in the suburbs of Portland.

00:44:56.000 United Airlines has said they want 50% of all their new pilots to be black pilots, and they're going to elevate diversity over competency.

00:45:04.000 Now, I don't know about you, I'm all for anybody becoming a pilot, but I want to know that my pilot is hired based on the ability to land the plane, not the melanin content in the pilot's skin.

00:45:21.000 At State Street Capital Partners, which is one of the largest money management firms, you're only allowed to hire a white male through unanimous approval of the hiring committee.

00:45:32.000 I could go on and on and on.

00:45:34.000 So, those are real world implications, right?

00:45:36.000 So, this is not just textbooks, this is not just privilege walks, it's not just, oh, we need to make five year olds feel really bad or expand their horizons.

00:45:42.000 No, no, no.

00:45:43.000 This is what it looks like in practice.

00:45:45.000 In practice, it looks like we have black only dormitories.

00:45:48.000 In practice, it looks like in Columbia University, they have black only graduation ceremonies.

00:45:53.000 And so, that's where it's not just where it's leading, it's where it is.

00:45:56.000 And so, this is a direct result of this kind of educational regime that has been pushed forward to us.

00:46:02.000 But here's what gives me hope and where I just want to encourage you, right?

00:46:05.000 Is that this is deeply unpopular with the American people when they actually learn about it.

00:46:10.000 Most Americans do believe in this promise of valuing the invisible over the visible.

00:46:15.000 They believe in the promise of valuing what can change versus what cannot change.

00:46:19.000 And they believe that the people in charge who are pushing this are radically changing the country that they were raised in and the country they want for their children.

00:46:27.000 But here's the problem, and it goes to the trans issue, which we could talk about afterwards, because we haven't been controversial enough tonight, obviously, so we can get right into that.

00:46:34.000 Which is, it's an imbalance, and the imbalance involves a lot of you.

00:46:38.000 It certainly involved me for part of my life.

00:46:41.000 The imbalance is this 95% of the country believes that black only dormitories are insane, 95% of the country is afraid to talk about it.

00:46:51.000 And this is why it's because the current people in charge have been incredibly effective.

00:46:56.000 In fact, they're masters at weaponizing name calling.

00:46:59.000 We've not gotten out of the second grade.

00:47:01.000 We haven't.

00:47:02.000 They will call you a name and you'll say, Where do I donate?

00:47:04.000 I'll put the yard in my sign.

00:47:06.000 Please stop harassing me.

00:47:09.000 It's a real thing.

00:47:10.000 And I'm not diminishing it because some of you are probably going to ask during QA, Charlie, I could lose my job if I speak out against this.

00:47:16.000 Of course you can.

00:47:17.000 That's absolutely true.

00:47:18.000 They control everything.

00:47:19.000 I'm not saying that you should get fired from your job.

00:47:21.000 I'm not telling you should put your family's meals in jeopardy, especially as uncertain as our economic circumstances are today.

00:47:29.000 But I am going to tell you, That if 5 million people value that over telling the truth, then that's how you get the country you have.

00:47:34.000 That's just how it is.

00:47:35.000 And so, and I could talk about the trans thing too.

00:47:40.000 All right, okay.

00:47:40.000 Keep going, man.

00:47:41.000 You're doing great.

00:47:42.000 You're doing great.

00:47:43.000 Okay.

00:47:43.000 There's only been one mishap, though, so far.

00:47:45.000 Did you catch it?

00:47:46.000 No.

00:47:47.000 So that I can put the yard in my sign, I think is what you said.

00:47:50.000 It's been a long week today, everybody, okay?

00:47:54.000 I caught that, though, just for the record.

00:47:56.000 So I'm a pretty sharp guy.

00:47:58.000 It's been a long month this week.

00:47:59.000 Boy, I've been everywhere.

00:48:00.000 So, but I do want to say, though, I am human, I promise.

00:48:04.000 I do believe we're in an early stage of testing for the church to be able to stand for truth.

00:48:11.000 Because standing for truth for a long time hasn't been costly.

00:48:15.000 And we're entering into a time of where it's going to be costly.

00:48:20.000 And it's a gift, actually.

00:48:21.000 It's a gift from the Lord to say, you know, if it's going to cost you, we have to understand that God meets us at that cost with a profound grace that touches the heart, it touches the mind to be courageous and bold.

00:48:34.000 Yeah, amen.

00:48:35.000 And so there's one other issue I want to explore with you guys on that topic of courage, which ties into something that's involving me, and then we can get to some QA, if that's okay.

00:48:45.000 And this is something where the church should be just front and center.

00:48:49.000 I mean, this is something where the church should be the most vocal.

00:48:52.000 Not a lot of mystery in the scriptures around this topic.

00:48:54.000 I know it's a question that has a lot of you scratching your head at times, that even the top level of our government can't even answer.

00:49:01.000 What is a woman?

00:49:07.000 Where a woman, at least I think she's a woman who wants to go on the US Supreme Court, was asked by Senator Marshall Blackburn, What is a woman?

00:49:15.000 And she said, I can't answer that.

00:49:16.000 I'm not a biologist.

00:49:18.000 Now, look, I'm not a veterinarian.

00:49:20.000 I know a cat when I see one.

00:49:21.000 I'm not a meteorologist.

00:49:22.000 I know when it's raining.

00:49:25.000 I'm not a biologist.

00:49:27.000 I know a woman when I see one.

00:49:28.000 I was at least glad to know, at least she was saying a biologist would be able to, hopefully.

00:49:33.000 Yeah, and that there's maybe, I think that's an interesting take.

00:49:37.000 The problem is, a lot of biologists nowadays believe that gender and sex are not related because the entire institutions have been corrupted.

00:49:44.000 So, look, this is something where the church should be like, wow, do we believe in the Bible?

00:49:49.000 A lot of churches say they don't.

00:49:51.000 They say they do, but they really don't.

00:49:53.000 Bad politics is rooted with bad theology.

00:49:55.000 Never forget that, okay?

00:49:56.000 So, do you believe God created man and woman, or do you believe that God created man and woman and the 95 other genders, according to Brown University?

00:50:05.000 And so the church is silent on this issue, largely not this church, but a lot of churches.

00:50:10.000 And we're living in a moment right now where this is kind of like the premier issue.

00:50:15.000 And part of it is to distract us, but actually, I think the insignificance of being able to answer basic questions allows us to answer complicated questions.

00:50:23.000 That if we can't answer what a woman is, then we probably can't figure out, and we shouldn't, by the way, get involved in wars in other countries.

00:50:30.000 This has been my argument the whole time.

00:50:31.000 And I'm like, listen, you want to go, you want to send troops where?

00:50:35.000 We can't agree as a society on what a woman is, and you want to go launch Tomahawk missiles 5,000 miles away in a country most people can't pinpoint.

00:50:43.000 They're like, oh, they're not related.

00:50:44.000 Oh, they're totally related.

00:50:45.000 They're related in that if you can't get the building blocks of your society right, you're not a country ready for war, let alone anything.

00:50:51.000 And so, this is a very important thing.

00:50:56.000 So, God created man, God created woman.

00:50:57.000 You don't have to overthink it.

00:50:58.000 You don't have to be a biologist to talk about this.

00:51:01.000 So, where do we stand with this issue today?

00:51:03.000 Well, so I tweeted out something where I said Richard Levine was born a man, had a family, 54 years old, had kids.

00:51:13.000 Transition, I was probably being overly generous by the way when I said that, to Rachel Levine and is now the woman of the year, right?

00:51:20.000 According to USA Today.

00:51:21.000 And so I got banned from Twitter for that.

00:51:25.000 And so because I dead named Levine, if you don't know what dead naming is, I didn't know it either until I did it.

00:51:31.000 You're not allowed to use the birth name of someone who's transitioned, it's considered harassment.

00:51:36.000 So this is the new rules.

00:51:38.000 Yeah.

00:51:39.000 So I got banned from Twitter on this.

00:51:41.000 So then Twitter offers you this opportunity, very Maoist show trial.

00:51:45.000 So they say, okay, if you delete the tweet and acknowledge you engaged in our hateful policy, you get your Twitter account back.

00:51:52.000 So I refuse to delete the tweet.

00:51:53.000 I did nothing wrong.

00:51:54.000 I'm not going to tell somebody I lied when I told the truth.

00:52:00.000 And what a hypocrite I would be to come to this church and say, you know, it's gonna cost you something while I privately delete the tweet and go back to Twitter.

00:52:07.000 It's gonna cost you something while I tell my Turning Point USA students to keep on fighting hard.

00:52:12.000 It's gonna cost you something.

00:52:12.000 No, it cost me my Twitter account for now.

00:52:15.000 1.7 million followers reach tens of millions of people every week.

00:52:18.000 Whatever, we're on pause with that.

00:52:19.000 Twitter's gonna have to decide whether or not they're going to back down.

00:52:22.000 They probably won't.

00:52:23.000 I may never get access to Twitter again.

00:52:25.000 Yeah, big loss for society, right?

00:52:26.000 But it's gonna cost everybody something, right?

00:52:26.000 Whatever.

00:52:28.000 It's the little stuff that amounts to the big stuff.

00:52:31.000 But the more important point is how do we get to a place?

00:52:34.000 Where this entire kind of like bullying intimidation group of the transgender people are able to like control whether or not I use the proper name of you were born, even though I use the right name later in the tweet.

00:52:50.000 And so I just want you to understand, I just want to take pause, and this is where I really want the church to do more because it's because of the church's silence this is happening.

00:52:57.000 What's happened in the last week?

00:52:58.000 So we have the Florida thing with Disney and Ron DeSantis, but then also in the last week, you saw someone who was born by the name of William Thomas.

00:53:06.000 Who was the 462nd best swimmer, was born a man, and then transitioned to a woman and won the NCAA championship as a woman.

00:53:15.000 And I would bet there's still people in this room that had never heard that story yet, where a man born as a man competed as a woman and beat other women, went from the 462nd best man and competed as a woman, and basically destroyed women's sports as we know it, and it's only gonna continue.

00:53:30.000 And so, how does this happen?

00:53:33.000 Very simple.

00:53:34.000 What is true?

00:53:36.000 What's true is what the Bible tells us about everything.

00:53:40.000 So, if all of a sudden the organizations, the pastors who are in charge of communicating that truth go silent, especially on the most important issues, then where's society going to find truth?

00:53:50.000 Without God and without the Bible, right and wrong is merely an opinion.

00:53:56.000 And that's where we're at.

00:53:58.000 So we have, so the NCAA meets and they say, well, who's to say that William Thomas can't be Leah Thomas?

00:54:07.000 And most megachurch pastors, too focused on building bigger buildings, bigger budgets, and having more baptisms, which I'm in favor of all those things, but they put the church business model above righteousness, where this church put righteousness above the church business model, and the Lord has blessed this church, I think, immeasurably because of that, is most pastors did not even mention the fact that biological reality.

00:54:28.000 In women's sports, it was completely destroyed in the last couple weeks.

00:54:32.000 And it's another one of those issues where 95% of the people believe this is crazy and 95% of people are afraid to speak out about this.

00:54:39.000 And so you get to this moment where the question is how do we communicate about this?

00:54:46.000 And look, I want the best for Thomas, this person, right?

00:54:51.000 William Thomas, Leah Thomas, whatever that we want to call that person, right?

00:54:54.000 I refuse to call Thomas a man.

00:54:56.000 Oh, no.

00:54:57.000 I refuse to call Thomas a woman.

00:54:58.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:54:59.000 I get so confused.

00:55:01.000 If you're confused, I'm confused.

00:55:02.000 Trust me.

00:55:02.000 I refuse to call Thomas a woman.

00:55:04.000 Okay, now we got it right.

00:55:05.000 And the reason being is I refuse to tell a lie, but I want what's best for Thomas counseling, therapy, hopefully, a pastoral advice to bring that person to be able to bore anew.

00:55:16.000 Romans 12 2 Do not conform to the ways of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.

00:55:21.000 I believe that mental condition that Thomas has, which is a mental condition called gender dysphoria, can be changed by the renewing of their mind.

00:55:27.000 The promise of Romans 12 2 is applicable to all people.

00:55:30.000 I really believe that.

00:55:31.000 And so, now, the second part.

00:55:37.000 I don't like cheating.

00:55:39.000 And you don't either.

00:55:41.000 And Thomas is a cheater.

00:55:43.000 And we should not put up with cheating.

00:55:45.000 So, the individual suffering and the plight of Thomas needs to be separate from what society reorganizes for the individual.

00:55:55.000 Those are two separate things.

00:55:57.000 So, love, compassion, mercy, truth, all that stuff for Thomas as a person.

00:56:02.000 But that doesn't mean you reorient society for the person who's suffering.

00:56:07.000 You know what that's like?

00:56:08.000 It's like saying we got to suspend all driving because there's some alcoholics out there that might ruin it for the rest of us.

00:56:15.000 You don't do that.

00:56:16.000 Of course not.

00:56:17.000 You don't all of a sudden make other people less free because of a small group of people that can't handle themselves.

00:56:24.000 It's such a simple moral principle.

00:56:27.000 And so, and I wish more people communicated this in this way.

00:56:32.000 Because I think it resonates with 99% of the population.

00:56:35.000 Because it's not about, and I do, I have a spot for all people that are suffering, but Thomas is also making the decision to cheat and to get into the field and to still compete and all that.

00:56:46.000 But that's always gonna happen, okay?

00:56:48.000 So the question is this this was the question when banks were being robbed in the early 1900s.

00:56:53.000 Who's at fault?

00:56:55.000 So at first, there were people like, well, the bank robbers are at fault.

00:56:58.000 No, it's the people that aren't protecting the banks that are at fault.

00:57:02.000 You're always gonna have bank robbers, you're always gonna have cheaters.

00:57:05.000 The question is, are you protecting the banks?

00:57:07.000 The resources, are you protecting the women?

00:57:09.000 So, who's at fault?

00:57:10.000 The guardians of society are at fault.

00:57:12.000 The NCAA is at fault.

00:57:13.000 We're at fault for putting up with this nonsense.

00:57:16.000 And so, we have to have a total reframing of wow, this is a societal question, right?

00:57:22.000 And I want everyone to get the help they need.

00:57:24.000 But when all of a sudden your therapy becomes the disenfranchising of other women, that's basically the argument they're making, by the way.

00:57:33.000 That if this person can't compete against other women, you are basically interrupting that person's therapy.

00:57:39.000 I refuse to believe that we need to destroy all norms in society to go give therapy to a minority of the minority of the population to go destroy the ambitions and the dreams of biological women.

00:57:51.000 We shouldn't put up with it.

00:57:52.000 We shouldn't put up with it.

00:58:00.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - April 19, 2026

From the Archive: Charlie on Morality, the Separation of Church and State, and Strong Pastors

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