The Charlie Kirk Show - From the Archive: Charlie Stands For the Right To Life

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00:01:20.000 And yes, hello.

00:01:21.000 I'm a disagreer, but first, I really do respect how you engage with college students and promote open dialogue.

00:01:26.000 Thank you for that.

00:01:26.000 And I want to try to argue my case.

00:01:27.000 So I'm pro choice and I want to share why.

00:01:31.000 My reasoning is let's say I have a homeless adult kid who knocks on my door in a blizzard.

00:01:35.000 If I don't let him in, he will die of the cold.

00:01:39.000 I might choose to let him in, but the law does not force me to let him in.

00:01:43.000 You've been saying that no one is legally required to give others their housing or support, even if it means saving their life.

00:01:50.000 So here's my question If we agree that people can't be legally forced to use their homes to save someone, why should women be legally forced to use their bodies to sustain a fetus, especially in the first trimester when it can't survive its own?

00:02:04.000 It's a good faith question.

00:02:05.000 So taking rape outside of my answer, because rape would invalidate what I'm about to say, how about 99% of The cases are non rape abortions, which is the analogy actually falls apart or the metaphor because you actually do invite the homeless person into your home.

00:02:23.000 That's what happens when you have sex. 0.71

00:02:25.000 You invite the baby into your uterus. 0.90

00:02:28.000 So you could be pro choice, be pro choice of whether or not you're going to have sex. 0.92

00:02:32.000 It's not always a choice.

00:02:33.000 Sometimes the condom can break.

00:02:35.000 Oh, no, no, no, you don't have to have sex.

00:02:36.000 That's the point. 0.94

00:02:41.000 Having sex is not a human need.

00:02:43.000 Eating and showering is, but.

00:02:44.000 You know, you can wait until you're married.

00:02:46.000 You actually don't have to have sex.

00:02:49.000 Here's my counterpoint to that though.

00:02:50.000 If I'm driving a car, I'm taking the chance that there could be a kid.

00:02:54.000 If there's like a bike lane right next to me, and this happened, actually happened recently close to my home, where there's someone on a lime scooter, on like a bike lane right next to me.

00:03:03.000 He fell off his lime scooter and he got hit by a car and the kid died.

00:03:07.000 That's really sad.

00:03:07.000 It was a life that ended.

00:03:09.000 But I didn't have to go to drive, I didn't have to drive in my car.

00:03:12.000 The person didn't have to drive in the car who hit the kid, but he took the risk.

00:03:16.000 In the end, the law still doesn't punish the driver because it wasn't his fault.

00:03:19.000 He did everything that he possibly could, and he didn't have to drive.

00:03:24.000 You're equating having sex with driving, just to be clear.

00:03:27.000 My analogy is that someone is my choice to drive a car or not, but I'm still taking the risk.

00:03:32.000 But if someone.

00:03:33.000 Well, hold on.

00:03:33.000 But if you're driving a car and you do run somebody over, you could be susceptible to manslaughter laws.

00:03:39.000 I could be susceptible to that, but if it's not my fault, then I don't get a manslaughter law.

00:03:43.000 And what happened in this case is that they didn't get a manslaughter law.

00:03:46.000 I'm not sure they're wrong.

00:03:47.000 But the whole point is something your fault.

00:03:51.000 It's very circumstantial.

00:03:52.000 No, but like, what is the intent threshold when something is your fault?

00:03:56.000 If you intentionally try to cause an action, then it's your fault.

00:03:58.000 But for this driver, they did not intentionally do it.

00:04:00.000 So, like, no, hold on.

00:04:01.000 Like an abortion, you intentionally cause a result.

00:04:07.000 I'm intentionally causing an abortion.

00:04:09.000 Yeah, you're intentionally causing an abortion, so with intent standard, you are eliminating a human life. 0.99

00:04:13.000 In the end, it's still the woman's choice to do what she wants with her home. 0.51

00:04:16.000 I can do whatever I want with my home. 0.91

00:04:18.000 If I want to kick a homeless person out of my home, even if I know that he's going to die in the street, I'm allowed to kick that homeless person out of my house, even though that means he'll die.

00:04:25.000 And that's really sad that a human life will die. 0.86

00:04:27.000 I agree with your this, a human in the body.

00:04:30.000 I agree with that.

00:04:31.000 The person will still die.

00:04:32.000 It's still my choice.

00:04:32.000 It's still legally.

00:04:34.000 My choice to get first now home is full.

00:04:35.000 Let's just play this out.

00:04:36.000 Let's just.

00:04:37.000 Okay.

00:04:37.000 Because your analogy is, sounds rational, but it's not.

00:04:41.000 Can a mother of a one year old kick her baby out of her house?

00:04:45.000 No. 1.00

00:04:46.000 Well, she can set it up for adoption. 0.98

00:04:48.000 No, but why can't she just leave it on the side of the street? 1.00

00:04:51.000 Isn't that a child abandonment law?

00:04:53.000 There's a gray area between setting someone to go up to an adoption center, which is a really easy thing to do to just drop them off at a fire station, which you're allowed to set up for adoption.

00:05:03.000 No, but hold on.

00:05:04.000 You said that you do not have to give care to someone who knocks on your door.

00:05:08.000 That's your whole contention.

00:05:09.000 Legally correct.

00:05:10.000 Right.

00:05:10.000 So, but if you have a one year old baby.

00:05:12.000 You can either give him care or you can put him up for adoption.

00:05:15.000 You have one of two choices.

00:05:16.000 That's my stance when it comes to the baby in the womb.

00:05:19.000 In the baby in the womb.

00:05:20.000 How is it different?

00:05:21.000 How is it a different? 1.00

00:05:22.000 It's physically taking over the woman's womb. 1.00

00:05:24.000 It causes physical, emotional, mental damage to the woman when it's in the womb. 0.96

00:05:28.000 But how is that? 0.96

00:05:28.000 There's legal reasons. 0.96

00:05:29.000 How does that at all diminish or increase the value of the human life?

00:05:33.000 The human life is still important.

00:05:35.000 I'm not saying that abortion is not tragic, but what I am saying is that the woman's right to choose what she does. 1.00

00:05:40.000 Throwing body is also important.

00:05:42.000 The right to self autonomy is also important.

00:05:44.000 But doesn't the baby also have a right to self autonomy?

00:05:47.000 I agree.

00:05:48.000 And the person who's homeless and will die if I don't live in the house also has a right to self autonomy.

00:05:52.000 But he doesn't have the right to self autonomy if it means that he's not infringing on my own rights.

00:05:57.000 Your homeless example, again, further falls apart.

00:05:59.000 If they knock on a hospital or a police station or a fire station, they are welcomed in.

00:06:04.000 So there are places for homeless people to be able to get care.

00:06:07.000 There's no place for an unborn child to get care if they walk into an abortion.

00:06:10.000 That's a societal obligation, a government obligation, not an individual private obligation. 0.77

00:06:14.000 I agree. 0.78

00:06:15.000 That's why abortion. 0.98

00:06:15.000 Every person's bodies are on private one. 0.98

00:06:17.000 I agree. 0.97

00:06:17.000 That's why abortion should be illegal because we have a societal obligation to protect every life. 0.97

00:06:21.000 It's a private person's womb. 0.94

00:06:23.000 It's a private person's house. 0.84

00:06:25.000 They're both private property and belong to the individual person. 0.95

00:06:29.000 You think the womb is private? 1.00

00:06:31.000 It is the woman's womb. 0.97

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00:07:33.000 Got it.

00:07:33.000 But is it her DNA that's forming?

00:07:36.000 Half of her DNA and it doesn't matter.

00:07:38.000 It's a separate person with their own unique DNA.

00:07:40.000 If it's not your DNA, why is it your choice?

00:07:43.000 Because it's living in my own house.

00:07:44.000 If it's a random homeless person, I can still kick him out even if it means that he will die.

00:07:49.000 Yeah, I just.

00:07:49.000 It's my choice to do that.

00:07:52.000 Perverse argument to make.

00:07:53.000 Moral or not, legally does not revolve around your morals.

00:07:57.000 Well, of course it does.

00:07:58.000 I mean, laws are a reflection of morality.

00:08:00.000 That's why we have murder laws, right? 0.94

00:08:02.000 That's why we say you can't steal.

00:08:03.000 Every law is a reflection of some moral truth.

00:08:05.000 For stealing, it doesn't directly affect you.

00:08:07.000 If I try to murder someone.

00:08:09.000 Of course, stealing affects me.

00:08:10.000 Of course, it does.

00:08:12.000 You're stealing to directly affect someone else.

00:08:14.000 You're not stealing because you have to steal.

00:08:15.000 You're doing it because you're choosing to actively steal.

00:08:18.000 For a baby going into a person's womb, the mom's not killing the baby because she wants to kill the baby. 0.98

00:08:22.000 She's killing the baby because it's taking her own organs and causing the physical stress and safety of her own body. 0.61

00:08:28.000 I need to get back to one contention, though.

00:08:30.000 Do you believe in the generally that people should take responsibility for their own actions?

00:08:37.000 Yes.

00:08:37.000 Okay.

00:08:38.000 So then.

00:08:38.000 But if it's not their fault, then what?

00:08:40.000 But by fault, they made a decision to have sex 99.9% of the time.

00:08:44.000 Just like.

00:08:45.000 But by doing so. 1.00

00:08:47.000 99% is rape, and even still abortion laws.

00:08:50.000 99% is the opposite. 0.94

00:08:52.000 99% of the time, it's a form of birth control.

00:08:54.000 So essentially, you would agree that it being a form of birth control, basically.

00:09:00.000 It's a oopsie, I'm just going to eliminate a human life because I have autonomy over my own body.

00:09:05.000 You're willingly taking the risk of that birth control potentially failing, but you're also doing that when you're driving a car.

00:09:09.000 If I go to a mechanic and he checks that my brakes are okay, that's such a morally contorted analogy.

00:09:17.000 That my car can still work.

00:09:20.000 I agree with the analogy.

00:09:21.000 No, in no way is that even close to the same.

00:09:24.000 You're taking the risk in both chances and both can kill a person.

00:09:26.000 Don't take the risk.

00:09:29.000 Wait, wait.

00:09:29.000 So never drive?

00:09:31.000 Wait, you're saying that having sex could potentially result in the death of a person? 0.94

00:09:35.000 You have the chance of getting pregnant, and if you don't want to get pregnant. 0.87

00:09:38.000 And then you have an obligation to allow that life to grow.

00:09:41.000 Because universal human equality applies to all human beings, regardless of how small they are or where they are, just because you're within a womb.

00:09:50.000 And to play out that analogy further, you know, you say that, well, it's drawing from the mom's nutrients and it's changing her organs.

00:09:57.000 Just so we are clear, the mom's nutrients continue when the baby's six months old.

00:10:02.000 You ever heard of breastfeeding? 1.00

00:10:03.000 The mom's organs continue to change after birth. 1.00

00:10:06.000 Can she then? 1.00

00:10:07.000 Eliminate the six month old saying, I don't want to feed that six month old.

00:10:10.000 You can put it up for adoption, yes. 0.99

00:10:12.000 Well, no, why can't she murder it? 0.97

00:10:15.000 Because at that point, she has a choice to save the baby. 0.93

00:10:18.000 If you can save the baby, you can.

00:10:20.000 And I'm saying, I'm saying, I have viability.

00:10:22.000 Save the baby at 23 weeks.

00:10:24.000 I agree with you.

00:10:24.000 I'm saying first trimester when the baby's not viable.

00:10:27.000 Okay.

00:10:27.000 So now we're getting somewhere.

00:10:28.000 And I said that at the beginning of my open statement, too.

00:10:30.000 The viability standard is, I mean, very questionable.

00:10:34.000 When does human development begin?

00:10:38.000 At conception.

00:10:38.000 I agree, it's a human person inside you.

00:10:40.000 But the problem is that you're taking the woman's own part.

00:10:43.000 And so, look, if the baby can come out of the woman and still be alive, then I agree abortion should not apply.

00:10:49.000 And that should be an individual case of the doctor to determine that.

00:10:52.000 But if it's taken directly from the woman and the baby has to die in order for the baby to come out, let me just conclude in this.

00:11:00.000 Every baby will take from something else necessarily for the first three years. 0.71

00:11:05.000 A baby will not hunt and gather and a baby can't go get a job.

00:11:08.000 So, by definition, every baby, whether it's six months in the womb or six months outside of the womb, Is dependent on an exterior force.

00:11:17.000 So that moral threshold of viability actually does not continue out.

00:11:21.000 It'd be one thing if a baby is born, all of a sudden the baby says, okay, let's get to work and let's go become a janitor.

00:11:28.000 A child is actually highly dependent and only viable in the sense that it can breathe and clean its bladder.

00:11:35.000 However, there are millions of baby born in NICU units across the country, neonatal intensive care units, that have all sorts of machines and contraptions that do and simulate the work of.

00:11:46.000 The gestational process.

00:11:49.000 So I can understand your argument. 1.00

00:11:52.000 I just think it's incredibly morally troubling to say that a woman has so much autonomy over her own body, therefore, you are allowed to then eliminate murder or kill if it makes your life a little bit difficult. 0.67

00:12:05.000 Well, I would agree to disagree. 0.84

00:12:06.000 There's one more point I want to make quickly, too you compare abortion to the Holocaust a lot.

00:12:12.000 Can you explain why? 0.85

00:12:12.000 It's actually worse than the Holocaust. 0.85

00:12:14.000 Explain why.

00:12:15.000 55 million babies have been killed since the Holocaust.

00:12:17.000 Compared to how many in the Holocaust?

00:12:19.000 Six million, yeah.

00:12:19.000 Okay, so would you say it's by ratio?

00:12:23.000 55 to 6 times. 0.70

00:12:24.000 No, there's an evil that was in the Holocaust that is not quite manifested in the abortion industry. 0.99

00:12:29.000 I agree. 0.98

00:12:29.000 Which was the intentional extermination of a specific type of people. 0.98

00:12:32.000 I agree. 0.96

00:12:33.000 Now, part of the abortion industry also has a lot of anti black eugenics philosophy as the basis from Margaret Sanger. 0.94

00:12:39.000 But I would say there is this very specific, unique evil in the Holocaust that we've not seen replicated in many other times, which is that we want to eliminate a certain type of people. 0.88

00:12:48.000 But by scale, it is far worse. 0.99

00:12:49.000 That's good. 0.99

00:12:50.000 I've heard in a lot of debates you've said that the Holocaust is eight times less.

00:12:53.000 As important as abortion, because there's eight times less people have been murdered.

00:12:57.000 But my point is that they're unique circumstances.

00:12:58.000 They are unique.

00:12:59.000 Thank you for your time.

00:13:00.000 Appreciate it.

00:13:00.000 Thanks.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 12, 2026

From the Archive: Charlie Stands For the Right To Life

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